Community & Human Services Cte Minutes 03-02-1988 � RECEIVED
MINUTES MAR 31 1988
• Community and Human Services Committee
March 2, 19ss CITY CLERK
1:30 p.m.
Third Floor Council Chambers
The meeting was called to order by Janice Rettman, Chair, at 1:30 p.m.
The following were in attendance: Janice Rettman, Chair, Bob Long, Councilmember;
Roger Goswitz, Councilmember; Bill Wilson, Councilmember (late); Terry Sullivan,
City Attorney's Office; and Barbara Benson, Secretary.
The minutes of the Community and Human services Committee of February 17, 1988
were approved as submitted: 3-0 Yes.
Janice Rettman introduced the members of the Committee and those in attendance. She
stated that anyone in the audience who wishes will be allowed to be recognized.
A signup sheet is available at the podium (along with the copies of the meeting's agenda);
this may be used for those speaking or those wishing to receive meeting materials.
She stated it is her intent to have the first hour of the meeting assigned to items
referred from the City Council meetings, the second to be spent as a work session.
The first two items of business concerned two City Council Agenda items from
February 11, 1988: Item No. 25 - 74-1095 - An ordinance amending Section 409.22(r)
of the Legislative Code pertaining to charitable gambling in liquor establishments
• and reducing from 207 to 107 the amount paid to the City Youth Organization Fund
(laid over from August 11, 1987); and Item No. 26 - 87-1096 - An ordinance amending
Section 404.10(17) of the Legislative Code pertaining to charitable gambling in
private clubs and reducing from 207 to 107 the amount paid to the Youth Organization
fund (laid over from August 11, 1987):
Terry Sullivan explained that it is now State law that these have been amended to 107
or less; any amount less than 107 may be used, but nothing more than 107. Jerry
Mickus, from the Rice Street VFW, introduced himself and stated that he and his
group would like some credit for what they do for the playground during the year--
his group spends over $50,000 on youth and would like to receive credit for this
$50,000. He stated that 457 of monies made falls into a legitimate or legal
expenditures category and can only be spent with the approval of the Charitable
Gambling Board. This includes no administrative costs incurred by the organization.
At this point, Terry Sullivan noted that the 207 is based on the net under the State
process; it has now been amended and will be 10'. This is before net expenses are
deducted. Will Munger, from the M.S. Society, queried as to what input agencies will
have with these. Janice Rettman stated there has been discussion by Council Members
regarding pulltabs, to get it broader-based than youth organizations. She added
this matter will be coming back in front of this comnittee.
Bill Wilson stated it is his hope that charitable gambling allows groups other than
youth organizations to be involved. He added that there are a number of organizations
in the business of charitable activity which would then qualify to sell pulltabs.
Bob Long asked why a percentage couldn't go to a broader issue; Janice explained that
• 10' is the cap. A motion for approval was made by Janice Rettman. She suggested
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that these be discussed with the Council with a caveat that Terry Sullivan will
come back to us in a timely fashion to review the concerns expressed today, and
those present today will be invited back. The m�tion was passed 4-0.
The next item of business was discussion of City Council Agenda item from
February 11, 1988, Item No. 27 - 87-1307 - An ordinance amending Chapter 402 of
the Legislative Code pertaining to lawful gambling (use of gambling profits) and
providing that organizations licensed for bingo shall pay 10' of net profits to
the City Youth Organization fund (laid over from September 16, 1987):
Jerry Mickus�asked whether this would be agreeable with Federal and State laws.
Terry Sullivan stated he assumed so, as this was signed by Jerry Segal of the City
Attorney's Office. It was noted that in previous legislation, there was no ability
to take 10�. Two years ago the State specifically addressed tipboards, pulltabs,
etc., but not bingo. Bingo has now been addressed. Discussion ensued regarding
groups that have five games or less per year. Janice Rettman asked Bill Wilson if
he would be amenable to exempting the five-occasion permit group. Will Wilson
answered that discretion could be exercised here, that the five-occasion group
could be excluded because they raise so little money, that it would prove to be
more of a problem than anything. Licensing was discussed, along with questions
regarding the amount of revenue coming in for a year. Janice suggested that Joe
• Carchedi attend the next Community and Human Services Committee meeting to address
these issues. This was agreed upon.
Lynn Wolfe, Division of Parks and Recreation, discussed charitable gambling as it
relates to her division. She noted that $30,000 is now in a suspense fund which
came in for charitable gambling of pulltabs for the public liquor licenses, not
the private ones. She stated this started initially with just a couple of
organizations but now more of them are participating. She will attempt to get
figures fron Joe Carchedi.
Bob Long moved a layover to send this matter to the Finance Committee; a discussion
ensued regarding the appropriateness of committee review and the duplication of
committee review. It was agreed that this item should remain with the Community
and Human Services Committee. Bill Wilson agreed to exempt the five-occasion issue.
_ At this point, Bob Long began discussing this issue in conjunction with the Civic
Organization Partnership Program. Janice made a motion that this be laid over;
3-0 Opposed. A gentleman, who identified himself only as being from St. Casimir's
Ushers Club, related that in his c1ub,1007 of the dollars go back to the church.
All time is volunteered. During 1987, an amount in excess of $30,000 was donated,
which is used solely for functions in the parish. Bill Wilson made a motion to
adopt the ordinance as amended, deleting "or permitted by the City of Saint Paul".
The motion was passed 3-1.
The final item of discussion was a Pasition Paper on the Division of Parks and
Recreation's role in providing child care: Kathy Stack, Director, Department of
• Community Services, stated that her department has been looking at the child care
issue. At this point, she introduced Jean Baumgartner, Division of Parks and
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Recreation. Jean indicated that she had prepared the paper with staff, the focus
of which is dealing with school age children because of code and licensing
requirements. Four different sites have been selected for summers and all have
been well received. She observed that one program grew from 15 children the first
summer to 40 children the second. The program is funded through participant fees.
Marketing strategies are being discussed. She stated that Chris Park, from the
Mayor's Office, will also be working on this project. Bob Long asked what the
School District's policy is in regarding to this matter. Jean answered that the
School District has identified six target areas in which to expand in the next two
to three years. She added that first floor space is at a premium, thus the reason
Parks and Recreation space is so attractive. Janice Rettman inquired about the
distribution of the report. Jean Baumgartner stated that now that the position
paper has been presented, it will be widely distributed.
Janice Rettman made a motion that the meeting be adjourned. 4-0 yes. The meeting
adjourned at 3:35 p.m.
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