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Public Works Cte Minutes 04-13-1988 • �� Roger J. switz, Cha r MINUTES OF PUBLIC WORKS COMMITTEE April 13, 1988 - Room 707 City Hall PRESENT: Roger J. Goswitz. Chair Councilmember Tom Dimond Councilmember Janice Rettman ��THERS PRESENT Gt'c9C��y HBUpt, Nesl Gasman, Peter White, John Saumweber, Tom Sawyer, Roxanna Ftink, Robert E. Johnson, Glenn M. Kuschly, Chris Nicosia, Mike Kassan, Paul Bium, Tom Kuhfeld, Roger Anderson, Edward Loye, Alten Lovejoy, Ann Warner, Bob Roscoe, Lucy Thompson, Leon Pearson, Peggy Reichert, John McCormick. 1. The minutes of March 30, 1988 were approved as submitted. At the request of Councilrr�n Dimond, ltem #7 was the first item discussed. 7. CREATE a time line for studv on Hiqhwood Hills Area. The Chair read the background information as to why this item is before the Cortxnnittee. Councilmember Dimond then introduced Bob • Johnson, President of District 1 Community Councit. Councilmember Dimond responding to some points that had been raised, said there is presently an ordinance on the books which places a moratorium on building in this area, however, this moratorium does not effect anyone who wants to add on a deck or put on some other kind of addition. The moratorium also would not effect the Bacchus development on Lo�u•�r Afton Road because they will receive Cou�cil approval only after all utilities are provided. He went on to say any discussions will inctude a}1 property owners, those presently residing there as well as those owning vacant land. Also the hard to answer questions such as miniumum lot sizes, cesspools, wells, etc. will be dealt with and Public Works Department and PED wiil be involved in any discussions effecting the area, as will all pubtic agencies. A ten-month timeline seems appropriate, he added. Councilmember Rettman said she felt the cesspools and wells should be tested and monitored and that the groundwater should be a part of the study. Bob Johnson from District 1 Community Council said he is a member of the Ramsey County Soil b Water Board and will be meeting with them on Monday alo�g with experts from the State and some Federal people a�d felt this Board would be a good source regarding well water and cesspools. Ms. Rettman then suggested a resolution addressing all these issues be prepared by the City Attorney's office and Public Works so it is altogehter in one packet. There was some discussion of whether or • not the resolution had to be redone and sent back to the Mayor for signature, however, John McCormick, City Attorney, said the Mayor did not veto the resolution so that would not be necessary. Councilmember Dimond commented he had already sent a letter to the Mayor and also talked with him and he believed this addressed the 1 concerns he had. It was suggested that a draft of these items be • prepared before the next Public Works meeting and that John McCormick be involved in its preparation. In answer to Mr. Johnson's question of how the Committee wanted the report handled the Chair said they would expect them to hold close to the 10-month timeline, but if it can be done in 6 months that would be great. Bob Johnson said citizen participation is good, but it is slow but said the Cortxnunity Council meets a week from Monday and they will begin working on this study immediately. He asked about support from city staff and was told that the Mayor has already assigned Tom Kuhfeld, Donna Drummond and Sheryl Pemberton to work with them. • It was alsa noted that two studies ha�e already been done for this area and the District Council should be able to take advantage of that and go from that point and improve on them. 2. RATIFICATION 4F AWARD OF GAMAGES: F�?r �andemning and taking a permanent easement for street purposes for Energy Park Drive. west of Raymond Avenue Peter White, Valuations, explained this is in the area of Energy Park Orive and Raymond and is the last piece to help straighten out that intersection. Burlington Northern is the only property owner involved and no objections have been received from them. MOTION: by Councilmember Rettman to recommend approval was • unanimously carried. 3. FINAL ORDER: For improving COTTAGE AVENUE from Galtier Street to Rice Street with a bituminous paving, concrete curb b gutters, concrete driveways and outwalks, sodded boulevards and a street lighting system. To be known as the COTTAGE/GALTIER STREET PAVING AND LIGHTING SYSTEM. Tom Kuhfeld. Public Works, said this particular street was initially proposed to be done as part of the Maryland/Galtier project, however, because of work to be done by MWWC with the Trout Brook Interceptor, this section was postponed. The reason it is proposed at this time is because MWWC is putting a sewer in Cottage and in accordance with our normai policy of repaving oiled streets when a sewer is put in, we need to coordinate our work with this project. Councilwoman Rettman raised some questions about several nubs not included in this project, one at Marion and Woodbridge and the other going south towards the railroad tracks. Mr. Kuhfeld pointed out these nubs are paved streets and will be restored , the others are oiled streets and paving will be delayed until the second 10 year program. If the Council so desires, Mr. Kuhfeld said. it is possible to include those in with the add-on requests and bring it before the Council, but at this point they are not part of the project. Answering Ms.Rettman's question he said these streets are betwee� two different drainage areas and he would not know if sewer work is • to be done until the final design is done. Mr. Kuhfeld said he is in the process of preparing the last public hearing for the add-on streets and needs to know if the streets discussed are to be added. 2 r � ' • MOTION: by Councilmember Rettman to recommend approval of the above ��-�� :� i ut i on �r i th the reque�t '�.hat A 1 hemar 1 e an�� Mar i on be added to this project was u�::3nimousiy carried. 4. UPDATE: �n Annual Re�ort of Cornmunit�: !�ccess Saint Paul (CASP) Gr�eg Hau�t . 1 nformat i on Serv i ces Mgr ., exp i a a,�ed ur7deT' ti�e franch i se agreement Continental Cable has with the City of St. Paul they are to provide for public access to cable TV through a designated agency, which is CASP. One of the terms of the agreement with CASP is that they must submit quarterly reports and also an annual update. He then introduced Neai Gosman, Exec. Director of CASP, who he said will update the Cortmittee on their 1987 activities. He added that Mr. Gosman has functioned with CASP for several years and in his opinion has been doing an excellent job. Mr. Gosman then spoke and said they are a non profit group that operates public and educational access channels in St. Paul under contract with the City of St. Paul. His intention was to show a video tape of their schedule for one week in March, however, he was nQt set up to do this and instead read the list to show the diversity of their programming. Some of those listed included those having to do with Star Wars, Boy Scouts, Senior citizens, Lowertown Art shows, youth gangs, animal rights, family finance programs, . smoking marjuana, pornography in Summit-U area, deaf, News council, river scene at night, video text message. neighborhood politics, bus schedules, etc. For the benefit of the new people who were not involved at the time cable came into being he explained what public access is. Public access, he said, is set up on first come first served basis, is non discriminatory, there is no censorship, but no obscenity, and is non commercial. They currently have 7 channels operating, and it is working very well. He passed out several pieces, one showed all the access video programs played on their channels from local people in 1987 and the other listed their access channels. Public access. under cable TV, he continued, is currently the only way for citizens to get their programs and their points of view on to a distribution system so people can communicate. CASP has to operate on limited resources of $200,000 which is received from the cable company. All our programming is produced or brought in by people in the community volunteering their time and efforts. We do not solicit one kind of a program over another. CASP's job is to show the people how to make the program and use the equipment. The equipment is furnished by the cable company and we are very careful when it is loaned out, but concerned our equipment is going to begin to wear out. Ms. Rettman commented that when cabie access first came before the • Utility Committee there were some real concerns, and she was happy to hear that Mr. Haupt was pleased with their performance, it has gone from an ugly duckling image to a beautiful swan, she added. The Chair thanked Mr. Gosman for his report. f � ` 5. RESOLUTION: Estabiishin4 rates for the Storm Sewer System Charge. • It was noted the Committee had already voted to keep the rates the same as last year and the reason this item is on the agenda is because there was no information on the green sheet. The following item, biliing procedures, was the concern of the Committee. 6. DISCUSSION: Billing procedures for Storm Sewer Separation and Street and Allev Maintenance Charcae. Roxanna Flink, Valuations, passed out a sheet showing the difference between the storm sewer system charge and the street maintenance charge for assessments, the main difference being no puhlic hearing is required for the storm service charge. The Street maintenance charge must have a pubtic hearing and property owners have a right to appeai to district court. Discussion followed on the cost to produce a post card mailing vs. the maiting presently in use. Ms. Flink submitted a sample of a post card mailing that she said does meet ali legal requirements and also a sheet comparing costs for present mailing with proposed post card mailing produced inhouse and also produced by outside vendor. • � She also pointed out last year's mailer included a Public Works Open House mailing and said this year Public Works would like to include a recycling mailer. If the post card mailing is used, she said, there would be additional costs to hire part time and overtime . people because their computer cannot produce a bar code and a temporary pe�son would have to be hired to sort the mail. With the bar code, the Post Office pre sorts all their mail which saves them a lot of time, also we do not have bursting machine so would need someone to go down to Ramsey County and use their bursting machine to tear postcards apart. There would be an additional cost to send out a separate mailing for recycling information, she added. Councilmember Rettman questioned sending out the recycling information when citizen participation organizations pretty much take care of getting that information out and it is usually carried in neighborhood newspapers. Ms. Flink agreed it does go out in the newspapers and people do put signs in their yards, but their mailings go out to everyone - no one is excluded. Ms. Rettman also pointed out there are other conveyances where mailings such as recycling could be included such as Water Department billings, Northwestern Bell, NSP, etc. Mr. Dimond agreed with Ms. Rettman and said there are other ways to get information to the people without adding more expense to our notices and said he felt these things should be mailed separately. Ms. Flink said they anticipate they will receive an increase in telephone calls by going to the postcards because peopie will think we are adding something to what they already have and look at it as something new. The old form encourages people to prepay, postcard • more or less teils them it is going on their taxes, but if don't want it there, they can send it in now. Also they anticipate with the new postcards they will receive much less money upfront. 4 .• . • Councilmember Oimond said he didn't like the idea of implying they ought to be paying and thought past policy led to much unneeded confusion and unhappiness. Postcard mailer is much clearer as to what their responsibilities are and we ought to reduce costs as much as possible. The Chair said he was in agreement with this. Ms. Flink was thanked for the information provided and was told it was very helpful and made it much easier for the Committee to come to a decision. MOTION: by Councilmember Dimond to recommend using the vendor produced postcard and to not include any other mailing was passed unanimously. _ Meeting was recessed at 10:20 A.M. and called to order again at 10:30 A. M. 8. DISCUSSION: Shepard/Warner/East CBD Bypass Environmental lmpact Statement. Peggy Reichert, PED, said C-1, using the existing lanes and C-2, moving road closer to bluff have already been talked about and today Councilmember Dimond's C-2 alternative, will be discussed. This proposal rrroves the road back even further against the biuff and will mean an increase in cost. In answer to Councilmember Rettman's • question, she said as far as the financing goes, we will at a later date brief you on the overall funding. Bob Roscoe, consultant, talked on the C-2 alternative pointing out this modification will provide more room atong the riverfront for a bicycle and walkway path. A considerable amount of railroad right of way will be needed, he said, and the Chicago NW Railroad is not sure if they could live with one track through that area. Post Office parki�g on old Union Depot deck will not be effected and the Jackson/Sibley bridge would be replaced. There are some concerns that this proposal would mean the loss of parking at the Pioneer Press building and the American Center Building. Another concern is the lift bridge or the approaches that would have to be removed and the railroad has said while they do not need the bridge now, they may need it in the future. In answer to Ms. Rettman's question as to the railroad's authority, Mr. Roscoe said you cannot go in and condemn their right-of-way unless they agree and Ms. Reichert added that if they decide they want to keep the lift bridge for future operations, the city could not purchase or remove it. In connection with the lift bridge, Mr. Roscoe continued, it is a historic structure and that issue has to be dealt with. It was noted since Ramsey County is purchasing the American Center Building it will be necessary to work with them. Cost of C-1 segment is $21.M, C-2 is $11.3 and C-2 modified is • $14.4M. 5 Councilmember Dimond then spoke on his modified plan and dispiayed � several drawings. He stated his objection to C-1 plan is that it is like a solid concrete corridor, very narrow and substandard, and that with the modified plan you would end up with a significant amount of open space on the shoulders. This is a very important area because it is the gateway to downtown� he continued, and pleasant green space would make an attractive entry way to the City of St. Paul. It wiil also be an attractive area looking across from the other side of the River at landscaped green space vs. a concrete wail. He taiked about the rebuilding of the Wabasha and Robert Street bridges and said i.t would be unwise to wait 15 or 50 years to make these changes. He advocated moving ahead and said he felt most of the issues could be resolved. - Councilmember Rettman said she was not ready to make any decision at this time because she is trying to understand the whole issue because we are talking megamillions. She also said she wanted to have input from Mr. Nygaard on what their position is. Ms. Reichert aske� for direction from the Cor�nittee on who to touch base with between now and public hearing, the railroad will have to be contacted, and Ramsey County regarding American Center Building so they can testify at the hearing. It was agreed everything shouid be handled through the Chair. The Chair suggested delegating a certain amount of time to each • section, and ask that testimony not be repeated. It was recommended to Ms. Reichert that a panoramic view of all options and alternatives be available so that people can look at them. Ms. ' Reichert said they would have a court reporter present to take testimony and have a transcript prepared for the Council. Meeting adjourned 11:05. • 6