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Council File � --����/U
' Green Sheet # 17617
RESOLUTION .,,___
CITY OF SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA '��
Presented By
Referred To Committee: Date
RESOLVED: That Application (15337) for the transfer of an On Sale Wine and 3.2 Malt
Beverage License currently issued to Yang's Restaurant, Inc. (Chong Dau Yang,
President) at 1676 Suburban Avenue be and the same is hereby transferred to
Kwong & K Inc. DBA Yang's Chinese Restaurant (Kwong Po Lee, President) at the
same address.
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Approved by,M�ayor; Date � Q C 5 199D Council
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DEPARTMENT/OFFICE/COUNCIL DATE INITIATED NO 1?617 �
Finance/Licerts� GREE t ET -
INITIAL/DATE
C O N T A C T P E R S O N&P H O N E �DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR CITY COUNCIL
Kris Van Horn/298-5056 assicN �CITYATTORNEY /� �CITYCLERK
g�py Ou� NUMBER FOR �7�'f--
M�OI' 1123r1rig4�'�y�3I''��E) ORDER G ❑BUDGET DIRECTOR ��� � �FIN.8 MGT.SERVICES DIR.
�MAYOR( T NT) �2] Council Research
TOTAL#OF SIGNATURE PAGES (CLIP ALL LOCATIONS FOR SIGNA �
ACTION RE�UESTED:
Application (I.D. 4�15337) for the transfer of an On Sale Wine and 3.2 Malt License
RECOMMENDATIONS:Approve(A)or Re}ect(R) PERSONAL SERVICE CONTRACTS MUST ANSWER THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS:
_PLANNING COMMISSION _CIVII SEHVICE COMMISSION �• Has this person/firm ever worked under a contract for this depeftment?
_CIB COMMITTEE _ YES NO
2. Has this perso�/firm ever been a city employee?
_STAFF — YES NO
_DI3TRICT COUR7 _ 3. Does this person/firm possess a skill not normally posaessed by any current city employee?
8UPPORTS WHICH COUNCIL OBJECTIVE? YES NO
Explain all yes answers on seperate sheet and attach to grosn sheet
INITIATING PROBLEM,ISSUE,OPPORTUNITY(Who,What,When,Where,Why):
Kwong & K Inc. DBA Yang's Chinese Restaurant (Kwong Po Lee, President) requests Council
approval of its application to transfer the On Sale Wine and 3G2 Malt Beverage License
currently issued to Yang's Restaurant, Inc. (Chong Dau Yang, President) at 1676 Suburban
Avenue. All applications and fees have been submitted. All required departments have
reviewed and approved this application.
ADVANTAOE3 IF APPROVED:
DISADVANTAOES IF APPROVED:
DISADVANTAGES IF NOT APPROVED:
RECEIVED
Counci[ R�sA�rch Center
Nov 2 51991
�ITY CLERK NOV 18 1991
TOTAL AMOUNT OF TRANSACTION S COST/REVENUE BUDGETED(CIRCLE ONE) YES NO
FUNDING SOURCE ACTIVITY NUMBER
FINANCIAL INFORMATION:(EXPLAIN) nI 1 I f
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NOTE: COMPLETE DIRECTIONS ARE INCLUDED IN THE GREEN SHEET INSTRUCTIONAL '
MANUAL AVAILABLE IN THE PURCHASING OFFICE(PHONE NO.298-4225). '
ROUTINCi ORDER:
Below are correct routings for the five most frequent rypes of documents:
CONTRACTS(assumes suthorized budget exists) COUNCIL RESOLUTION (Amend Budgets/Accept. Grants)
1. Outside Agency 1. Department Director
2. Department Director 2. City Attorney
3. City Attorney 3. Budget Director
4. Mayor(for contracts over$15,000) 4. Mayor/Assistant
5. Human Rights(for contracts over$50,000) 5. Ciry Council
6. Finance and Management Services Director 6. Chief Accountant, Finance and Management Services
7. Finance Accounting
ADMINISTRATIVE ORDERS(Budget Revision) COUNCIL RESOLUTION (all others, and Ordinances)
1. Activity Manager 1. Department Director
2. Department Accountant 2. City Attorney
3. Department Director 3. Mayor Assistant
4. Budget Director 4. City Council
5. City Clerk
6. Chief Accountant, Finance and Management Services
ADMINISTRATIVE ORDERS(all others)
1. Department Director
2. City Attorney
3. Finance and Management Services Director
4. Ciry Clerk
TOTAL NUMBER OF SIGNATURE PAGES
Indicate the#of pages on which signatures are required and paperclip or flag
each of these pages.
ACTION REQUESTED
Describe what the projecUrequest seeks to accomplish in either chronologi-
cal order or order of importance,whichever is most appropriate for the
issue. Do not write complete sentences. Begin each item in your list with
a verb.
RECOMMENDATIONS
Complete if the issue in question has been presented before any body,public
or private.
SUPPORTS WHICH COUNCIL OBJECTIVE?
Indicate which Council objective(s)your projecUrequest supports by listing
the key word(s)(HOUSING, RECREATION, NEIGHBORHOODS, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT,
BUDGET,SEWER SEPARATION). (SEE COMPLETE LIST IN INSTRUCTIONAL MANUAL.)
PERSONAL SERVICE CONTRACTS:
This information wiil be used to determine the city's liabiliry for workers compensation claims,taxes and proper civil service hiring rules.
INITIATING PROBLEM, ISSUE, OPPORTUNITY
Explain.the situation or conditions that created a need for your project
or request
ADVANTAGES IF APPROVED
Indicate whether this is simply an annual budget procedure required by law/
charter or whether there are specific ways in which the City of Saint Paul
and its citizens wili benefit from this projecVaction.
DISADVANTAGES IF APPROVED
What negative effects or major changes to existing or past processes might
this projecUrequest produce if it is passed (e.g.,traffic delays, noise,
tax increases or assessments)?To Whom?When? For how long?
DISADVANTAGES IF NOT APPROVED
What will be the negative consequences if the promised action is not
approved?Inabitity to deliver service?Continued high traffic, noise,
accident rateT Loss of revenue?
FINANCIAL IMPACT
Although you must tailor the information you provide here to the issue you
are addressing, in general you must answer two questions: How much is it
going to cost?Who is going to pay?
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DIVYSION OF LICENSE AND PERMIT ADMINISTRATION DATE /
INTERDEPARTMENTAL REVIEW CHECKLIST Appn Processed/Received by
Lic Enf Aud
Applican ���,m(,� �z '� �c.• Home Address 1`j,7,( -j �; „��,� ���.,� •� /o�
Business Name �O z `�r,u�ome Phone `�aC�- ,��� '1
Business Address �l�`'1(,� ��, �•�Lr�Lyi.,1�LType of License(s'� ���
Business Phone ��� - ���O f� .��,QD �� �; � �
Public Hearing Date �a � �,� �� License I.D. � t ;j ��, `-�
at 9:00 a.m. in the Council Chambers,
3rd floor City Hall and Courthouse State Tax I.D. �� i?�`1 0�p�
Date Notice Sent; Dealer # dl +/�
to Applicant � �Z c:T ( q�
Federal Firearms �6 �1�fi
Public Hearing�j�, .��,;� !
DATE INSPECTION
REVIEW VERFIED (COMPUTER) COrIl�lENTS
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Date Received:
Site Plan ���c
To Council Research
Lease or Letter Date
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� MINNESOTA DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY Pso,�s.� �;
PHONE(612)296-6159 LIQUOR CONTROL DIVISION
333 SIBLEY � ST. PAUL, MN 55101
APPLICATION FOR COUNTY OR CITY ON SALE WINE LICENSE
NOT TO EXCEED 14% OF ALCOHOL BY VOLUME
EVERY QUESTION MUST BE ANSWERED. If a corporation, an officer shall execute this application. If a partnership, a
partner shall execute this application. If this is a first application attach a copy of the articles of incorporation and
by-laws.
Applicants Name lBusiness,Partnership,Co�porationl Trade Name or DBA
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Business Address Business Phone Applicants Home Phone
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City . County State Zip Code
Is this application If a transfer,give name of former owner License period
= New . = Renewal ^ Transfer Yang's Restaurant, Inc. From To
If a corporation,give name,title,address and date of birth of each officer.If a partnership,give name,address and date of birth of each partner.
Partner�Officer Name and Title Address 53 1'] Minnehaha AV@. � �1�8 DOB
�:t..7 n r r, O M 1 s. MN 5 5 417 -13-43
PartnerrOfficer Name and Tit e Address`(21'] ^housand P ine Er..try DOB
Cuon . n'e� Eb Chamolin MI� - 55316 —4-64
Partneri0fficer Name an Title Address DOB
Partneri0ffice�Name and Title Address DOB
CORPORATIONS
State of Date of Certificate
Incorporation Minnesota lnco�poration 8/15/91 Number 7D-267
Is corporation authorized to do business in Minnesota? m Yes O No
If a subsidiary of another corporation,give name and address of parent corporation
THE BUILDING
Nameof - Suburban Square Par'cnershi��,,,ners �233 �I. i�araline Ave. , �220
Building Owner a :�4inn. aeneral �artnershi�ddress �t. Paul, :�? 55113
- Has the building owner any connection
Are the property taxes deliquent? ❑ Yes t�No direct or indirect,with the applicant? O Yes �No
Describe the premises to be licensed rACtanrant 1 ncatPC3 ;n sh���i ng center at 1G7G
Suburban Avenue, St. Paul, Minnesota knocan as Yang' s Chinese P.estaurant . .
THE RESTAURANT
What is the During what hours will Number of people
Seating capacity? 9 5 food be available? 11 a.m.--9:30 p.�t}�staurant will employ? 13
How many months per year _ wll food service be the principal
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will the restaurant be open? 12 business of the restaurant? C�Yes O No �
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If this restaurant is in conjunction with another business Iresort, etc.), describe the business.
N/A
OTHER INFORMATION
1. Have the applicant or associates been granted an on-sale non-intoxicating malt beverage(3.2)and/or a "set-up" license
in conjunction with this wine Iicense? C Yes ;�No -
2. Is the applicant or any of the associates in this application a member of the county board or the city council which will
issue this license? � Yes �B No
If yes, in what capacity? . (1f the applicant is the spouse of a member of the governing body, or
another family relationship exists,the member shall not vote on this application.)
3. During the past license year has a summons been issued under the liquo�civil liability law(Dram Shop) (MS. 340A 8021.
`, Yes i'�No If yes attach a copy of the summons.
4. Has the applicant or any of the associates in this application been convicted during the past five years of any violation of
federal, state or local liquor laws in this state or any othe�state? ❑ Yes [�No If yes,give date and details.
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5. Does any person other than the appticants, have any right,title or inte�est in the furniture,fixtures or equipment in the
licensed premises? � Yes u No If yes give names and details.
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Yang' s Restaurant, Inc.
6. Have the applicants any interests, directly or indirectly, in any other liquor establishments in Minnesota? - Yes �XIVo
If yes, give name and address of the establishment.
I CERTIFY THAT I HAVE READ TH BOVE QUESTIO S AND THAT THE ANSWERS ARE TRUE AND CORRECT OF
MY OWN KNOWLEDGE. r r--
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IF UCENSEI SUED HE COUNTY BOAR�; REPORT OF COUNTY ATTORNEY
I certify that to the best of my knowledge the applicants named above are eligible to be ticensed. �.: Yes - No
If no, state reason.
S�gnatwe County Attorner • - County Date
__ _ ___.__ _._ _. REPORT BY POLlCE OR SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT� --
This is to certify that the applicant,and the associates,named herein have not been convicted within the past five years
for any violation of Laws of the State of Minnesota, Municipal or County. . _
Ordinances relating to Intoxicating Liquor, except as follows
Ponce.Shenft pepsnment Name Title Signsturo
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CITY OF SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA
APPLICATION FOR ON SALE INTOXICATZNG LIQUOR LICENSE
SUNDAY ON SALE INTOXICATING LIQUOR LICENSE
INTOXICATING CLUB LIQUOR LICENSE
OFF SALE INTOXICATING LIQUOR LICENSE
ON SALE MALT BEVERAGE LICENSE
ON SALE WINE LICENSE
Directions: THIS FORM M[TST BE FILLED OUT WITH TYPEWRITER OR BY PRINTING IN INK BY TIiE SOLE
OWNER, BY EACH PARTNER, BY EACH PERSON WHO HAS INTEREST IN EXCESS OF 57 IN THE
CORPORATION AND/OR ASSOCIATION IN WHICH THE NAME OF THE LICENSE WILL BE ISSUED.
THIS APPLICATION IS SUBJECT TO REVIEW BY THE PUBLIC
I) Application for (type of license) On Sale Malt (3.2 beer)
2) Located at (business address) 1676 Suburban Avenue, St. Paul, ;�➢.V 55106
. STREET: Number Name Type Direction
3) Business Name �;�,,�ng & K. Inc.
Corporation, Partnership or Sole Proprietorship
4) If business is incorporated, give date of incorporation Aucaust 15 , 19 91
5) Doing Business As Yan,c,�� hlT1P.^�P Restaurant Business Phone � 612-771-1790
6) Mail to Address (if different than business address)
STREET: Number Name Type Direction
City State Zip Code �
7) Your Name and Title Cuong Diep Asst. CEO
(First) (Middle) (Maiden) (Last) (Title)
3) Home Address 6217 Thousand Pine Entrv Phone�� �,���q�
STREET: Number Name Type Direction
Champlin. M[�7 55316
City State Zip Co�le
9) Date of Birth g-4-64 Place of Birth Saiqon Vietsrian
(Month, Day, and Year)
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10) Are you a citizen of the United States? Native Naturalized X
11) Married? No If answer is "yes", list name and address of spouse.
12) Have you ever been convicted of any felony, crime, or violation of any city �
ordinance other than traffic? YES NO X
Date of arrest , 19 Where
Charge
Conviction Sentence .
Date of arrest , 19 Where
Charge
Conviction Sentence
13) List the names and residences of three persons within the Metro Area of good
moral character, not ,related to the applicant or financially interested in the
premises or business, who may be referred to as to the applicant's character.
N� A.DD RE S S
Phonv Lv, 6217 Thousand Pine Fhtry, Champlin, M[J 55316
Toui Inthasorot. 6217 Thousand Pine Ehtry, Chamolin, NIf' 55316
Josenh Lu 2329 South 9th Street #212 Minnea lis, N�1 55406
14) List Iicenses which you currently hold, or formerly held, or may have an interest
in.
None
1�) Have any of the licenses Iisted by you in No. 14 ever been revoked? Yes No
If answer is "yes", list the dates and reasons —
N/A
16) Are you going to operate this business personally? Yes If not, who will
operate i`.;:
��e Home Address Phone
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17) Are you going to have a manager or assistant in this business? No
If answer is "yes", give name, home address, home phone, and date of birth.
Name Address
Phone DOB
18) Including your present business/employment, what business/employment have you
followed for the past five years?
Business/Employment Address
Fortune Cookies Inn, 2900 Rice Street, Little Canada, rMi 55117 (1935-19£i7)
Yee Tee Mans. 10602 France Avenue Eloamincrton NIlV 55431 (1988)
Beiiina, Inc. , 7907 �uth Bav C�zrve �den Prairie MMI�TT 55347 (1989 1991)
19) List all other officers of the corporation.
N� TITLE HOME ADDRESS HOME BUSINESS
(Office Held) PHONE PHONE
5317 Minnehaha Ave. , �108
�wr�nQ Po Lee n/�� Mr�ls M'� 417 612 724 3017 612 771 1790
20) If business is partnership list partner(s) , address, home and business phone
number.
Name Address
Home Phone Business Phone
Name Address
Home PE�one Business Phone
21) Liquor will be served in the following areas (rooms) dinina room
22) Between what cross streets is business located? E94 and Suburban Avenue
Which side of street? West
23) Are premises now occupied? Yes What Type Business? restaurant
How Long? 4 years
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24) Closest 3.2 Place Ground Round Church �'ace Lutheran School �ding Sr. High
25) Closest intoxicating liquor place. On Sale Ground Round Off Sale � Liquor Warehouse
26) You will be required to obtain a Retail Liquor Dealers Tax Stamp. (See Attached)
ANY FALSIFICATION OF ANSWERS GIVEN OR MATERIAL
SUBMITTED WILL RESULT IN DENIAL OF TEiIS APPLICATION
I hereby state under oath that I have answered all of the above questions, and that
the information contained herein is true and correct to the best of my knowledge and belief. I
hereby state further under oath that I have received no money or other consideration, by way of
loan, gift, contribution, or otherwise, other than already disclosed in the application which I
here�aith submitted.
S tate of riinnesota)
County of
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Subscribed and sworn to before me this D �✓d��l
Signature of Appli ant / Date
__�`µday o f , 19��
Votary Public County, MN
�!y Commission expires
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CITY OF SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA
APPLICATION FOR ON SALE INTOXICATING LIQUOR LICENSE
SUNDAY ON SALE INTOXICATING LIQUOR LICENSE
INTOXICATING CLUB LIQUOR LICENSE
OFF SALE INTOXICATING LIQUOR LICENSE
ON SALE MALT BEVERAGE LICENSE
ON SALE WINE LICENSE
Directions: THIS FORM MUST BE FILLED OUT WITH TYPEWRITER OR BY PRINTING IN INK BY THE SOLE
OWNER, BY EACH PARTNER, BY EACH PERSON WHO HAS INTEREST IN EXCESS OF 57 IN THE
CORPORATION AND/OR ASSOCIATION IN WHICH THE NAME OF THE LICENSE WILL BE ISSUED.
THIS APPLICATION IS SUBJECT TO REVIEW BY THE PUBLIC
1) Application for (type of license) On Sale Malt (3 . 2 beer)
2) Located at (business address) 1676 Suburban Avenue. St. Paul, MN 55106
. STREET: Number Name Type Direction
3) Business Name _X�.�ong & K. Inc.
Corporation, Partnership or Sole Proprietorship
4) If bu�siness is incorporated, give date of incorporation- Auc�ust 15 , --, 19 91
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5) Doing Business As _yang' s Chinese P.estaurant Business Phone 4� 612-771-1790
6) Mail to Address (if different than business address)
STREET: Number Name Type Direction
City State Zip Code '
7) Your Name and Title kwonQ Po -- Lee CEO/CFO
(First) (Middle) (Ma.iden) (Last) (Title)
8) Home Address 5317 Minnehaha Avenue, �108 Phone4� 612-724-3017
STREET: Number Name Type Direction
Minneapolis, MN 55417
City State Zip Co�le
9) Date of Birth 3/19/43 Place of Birth Hong ICong, China
(Month, Day, and Year)
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10) Are you a citizen of the United States? Native Naturalized X
11) Married? NO If answer is "yes", list name and address of spouse.
12) Have you ever been convicted of any felony, crime, or violation of any city
ordinance other than traffic? YES NO X
Date of arrest , 19 Where
Charge
Conviction Sentence -
Date of arrest , 19 Where
Charge
Conviction Sentence
13) List t.he names and residences of three persons within the Metro Area of good
moral character, not related to the applicant or financially interested in the
premises or business, who ma.y be referred to as to the applicant's character. .
NAME ADDRESS
Douglas Lewis , Dept. of Philosophy, Univ. of Pdinn. , Minneapolis, b�'�t
Plinct Lee, 5733 Nicollet, Minneanolis, MN 55419
Yui NcTai, 1065 California Avenue [nlest, St. Paul, MN 55117
14) List Iicenses which you currently hold, or formerly held, or may have an interest
in.
None
15) Have any of the licenses listed by you in No. 14 ever been revoked? Yes_ No
If answer is "yes", list the dates and reasons
N/A
16) Are you going to operate this business personally? Yes If not, who will
operate i' '.
Name Aome Address Phone
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17) Are you going to have a manager or assistant in this business? No
If answer is "yes", give name, home address, home phone, and date of birth.
Name Address
Phone DOB
18) Including your present business/employment, what business/employment have you
followed for the past five years?
Business/Employment Address
�S. Robert St. , W. St.. Paul,
Hsu' s, Inc. , d/b/a Shanari-La Restaurant, MN 55118 (10/87--4/88)
Yanq's R�staurant, Inc. , 1676 Suburban Avenue, St. Paul, MN 55106 (5/88--5/90)
South China Island Restaurant, 1a51 ra. St. Paul Road, rlaple��od, M[�II 55109 (6/90--7/90)
Rali Fia.i, Inc. , 2305 V7Yiite F3ear Ave. , St. Paul, MCd 55109 (12/91-7/91)
19) List all other officers of the corporation.
NAME TITLE HOME ADDRESS HOME BUSINESS
(Office Held) PHONE PHONE
Ctzonn Die� Asst. CEO G217 Thousand Pine Entry 612- 612-
Champ i s, Mr; - - 0
20) If business is partnership list partner(s) , address, home and business phone
number.
Name Address
Home Phone Business Phone
Name Address
Home Phone Business Phone
21) Liquor will be served in the following areas (rooms) �7; n; n g rc�om
22) Between what cross streets is business located? FAd �, �►,h��rhan Ay�nue ,
Which side of street? '��lest
23) Are premises now occupied? Ye s What Type Business? re stau rant
How Long? 4 vears
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24) Closest 3.2 Place Ground Round Church Grace Lutheran School Harding Sr. High
ZS) Closest intoxicating liquor place. On Sale Ground Round Off Sale MC�I Liquor Warehouse
26) You will be required to obtain a Retail Liquor Dealers Tax Stamp. (See Attached)
ANY FALSIFICATION OF ANSWERS GIVEN OR MATERIAL
SUBMITTED WILL RESULT IN DENIAL OF THIS APPLICATION
I hereby state under oath that I have answered all of the above questions, and that
the information contained herein is true and correct to the best of my knowledge and belief. I
hereby state further under oath that I have received no money or other consideration, by way of
loan, gift, contribution, or otherwise, other than already disclosed in the application which I
herewith submitted.
State of Minnesota)
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County of
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Subscribed and sworn to before me this -���'/�
S' nature o pplicant / Date
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Notary Public County, MN
My Commission expires
STEPHEN A. BARD
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Hearing Notice License Application
Dear Property Owners: FILE N0. L18403
Pu rpose
Transfer of an On Sale Wine and 3.2 Malt Beverage Licenses.
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Applicant
Kwong & K, Inc. dba Yang's Chinese Restaurant
Kwong Po Lee - President
Location
1676 Suburban Ave.
Hearing
December 3, 1991
City Council Chambers, 3rd floor City Hall-Court House 9:00 a.m.
Questions
Notice sent by License and Permit Division, Department of Finance
and Management Services, Room 203 City Hall-Court House, St. Paul,
Minnesota 298-5056
ThiS date may be changed without the consent and/or knowledge of the
License and Permit Division. It is suggested that you call the City
Clerk's Office at 298-4231 if you wish confirmation.