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Whereas, Acting pursuant to Sections 73.06, and upon notice to affected parties a
public hearing was duly conducted by the City Council on August 2, 1995, where all
interested parties were given an opportunity to be heard; and
Whereas, 'I'he Council, having heard the statements made, and having considered
the application, the report of staff, the record, minutes and resolution of the
Commission, does hereby
Resolve, That the Council of the City of Saint Paul does hereby affirm the
decision of the Heritage Preservation Commission in this matter that the proposed
materials do not conform to the Historic Hill Heritage Preservation District Guidelines,
that the decision of the Commission is supported by evidence contained in the record of
their proceedings, and that the appellant has not shown that the Heritage Preservation
Commission committed any error in so deciding; and be it
Further Resolved, That the appeal of Dennis A. Louie be and is hereby denied;
and, be it
Finally Resolved, That the Council Secretary shall mail a copy of this resolution
to Dennis A. Louie, the Zoning Administrator and the Heritage Preservation
Commission.
Requested by Department of:
Adopted by Council: Date �
Adoption Certified by Council Secretary
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Councilmember Jerry Blakey ^u��" �CRYATTOFNEY �CINCLERK
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ACTION REQUESTED:
Finalizing City Council action taken on August 2:, 1995, denying the appeal of Dennis Louie
to a decision of the Heritage Preservation Commission denying a building permit application
for the installation of aluminum soffit and fascia at 586 Laurel Avenue.
RECOMMENDATIONS Approve (A) or Reject (R) pERSONAL SEFiVICE CONTHACTS MUST ANSWER THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS:
_ PLANNMG COMMISSION _ CNIL SERVICE COMMISSION �� Has thls pefsonlfifin eVef WO�ketl Untlef a ContfaCt fOf Mi5 depdrtment? -
_ CIB COMMITfEE YES NO
_ STAFF 2. Has this personlfirm ever been a ciry employee?
YES NO
_ DISTRIC7 COUR7 _ 3. Does this personRirm possess a skill not normally possessed by any current city empioyee?
SUPPORTS WHICH COUNCIL OBJECTNE'+ YES NO
Explaln all yes answers on seperate sheet and attach to green sheet
INITIATING PROBLEM, ISSUE, OPPORTl1NITV (Who, What. When, Where, Why)�
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ADVANTAGESIFAPPROVEO: "
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Interdepartmental Memorandum
CITY OF SAIN'T PAUL
OFFICE OF CITY ATTORNEY
Suite 400 City Hall
Saint Paul, Minnesota 55102
Phone: (612)-266-8710
FAX: (612)-298-5619
DATE: August 3, 1995
TO: Nancy Anderson
Council Secretary
Room 310
City Hall
FROM: Jerome J. Segal �
Assistant City Attorn
SUBJECT: 586 Laurel Avenue
Council Hearing Held August 2, 1995
Nancy:
The City Council adopted a motion to deny the appeal of Dennis
Louie from the decision of the Heritage Preservation Commission,
and the City Attorney was requested to prepare the resolution
confirming that denial.
Attached is the resolution which denies the appeal and upholds
the decision of the Aeritage Preservation Commission.
CITY OF SA1NT PAUL
Norm Coleman, Mayor
OFFICE OF LICENSE, INSPECTIONS AND 9�- y s�
ENVIRONMENTAL PROTEC770N
Robert Kessler, Dmectos
LOWRY PROFESS/ONAL Telephorse' 612-266-9090
B(IILDING Facs�mde: 612-266-9099
Suite 300
350 St. Peter Street
Saint Paul, Minnesota 55102-I510
5 July 1995
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Ms. Mary Erickson
City Council Research
310 City Hall
Saint Paul, Minnesota 55102
Dear Ms. Erickson:
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I would like to confirm that a public hearing before the City Council is scheduled for
Wednesday, August 2, 1995 for the following appeal of a Heritage Preservation Commission
decision:
Appellant: Dennis Louie
HPC File: #2343
Purpose: Appeal a Heritage Preservation Commission decision to deny a building
pecmit application foc the installation of aluminum soffit and fascia
Address: 586 Laurel Avenue (located in Historic Hill Heritage Preservation
District)
Legal Description of Property: Lot 5, $lock 7, Woodland Park Addition
The Heritage Preservation Commission held public hearings on this matter on May 25 and
June 8, 1995 and voted 8-0 to deny approval.
My understanding is that this public heazing request will appear on the agenda for the
July 12, 1995 City Council meeting and that you will publish notice of the hearing in the Saint
Paul Legal Ledger. Please call me at 266-9087 if you have any questions.
Sincerely,
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Aaron Rubenstein
Heritage Preservation Planner
cc: Councilmember Blakey
Richard Murphy, HPC Chair
Bob Kessler, LIEP
Dennis Louie
NOTICE OF PUBLI6 HEARING
The Saint Paul City Council will conduct a public hearing on August :
1995;�at 3�30 p.m. in the City Council Chambers, Third Floo:
City Hall,, to consider the appeal of Dennis Louie to a decision of the Heritag
Preservation �Gommission to deny a building permit application� for' tY
instailation of aluminum soffi[ and fascia at 586 Laurel Avenue (located i
His[oric Hill Heritage Preservation District).
Dated: July 6. 1995 � - �- - -
NANCY ANDERSON � .
Assistant City Counc'tT Secretary
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OFFICE OF LiCENSE, A'SPECtIONS AND
ENVIRONMENTAL PR07'ECIION
Robert Kessler, Dirccmr �
CITY OF SAINT PAUL
Norm Coleman, Mayor
28 7ulp 1995
Ms. Nancy Anderson
Secretary to the City Council
310 City Hall
Saint Paul, Minnesota 55102
RE: HPC File /t2343:
' City Council Hearing:
LOWRY PROFESSlONAL
BUIIDING
Suue 300
350 St. Peter Sveet
Saint Paul, Miru�esota 55102-ISIO
Twin City Storm Sash/Dennis Louie
Aub st 2, 1995 Agenda Item �/61
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Tefephane: 612-266-90A7
Focsimi[e: 672-266-5099
672-266-9124
PURPOSE: To consider an appeal of the Heritage Preservation Commission's decision to deny
approval of a building permit for che instaliation of aluminum soffit and fascia on the struccure
located at 586 Laurel Avenue.
HERITAGE PRESERVATION COMMISSION ACTION: DENIAL
- STAFF RECOMMENDATION DENIAL
, . SUPPORT No one spoke.
OPPOSITION: No one spoke.
Dear Ms. Anderson:
Mr. Dennis Louie has appealed the decision of the Heritage Preservation Commission to deny
approval of a building permit for the installation of aluminum soffit and fascia on the structure he
owns located at 586 Laurel Avenue. The Heritage Preservation Commission held public hearin;s on
this permit application on May 25 and June 8, 1995. Mr. Louie addressed the commission at the
first heazing but was not present at the second heazing. At the close of the June 8, 1995 public
heazing, the commission voted 8-0 to deny approval of the permit.
This appeal is scheduled to be heazd by the City Council on August 2, 1995. Please notify me if any
Councilmember wishes to have slides of the site presented at the Council's public hearing.
Sincerely,
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Tate Halvorson
Senior Plan Examiner
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Attachments
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Robert Kessler
Dennis Louie
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Saint Paul City Council
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Iwiah to appeal the June 8, 1995 decision of the St. Pau1 Heritage
Preservation Commission to deny the application of Twin City Storm
and Sash for a building permit to install aluminum soffit, fascia
and gutters on my triplex at 586 Laurel Avenue.
I am appealing this decision to the St. Paul City Council under
Chapter 73 of the Saint Paul Legislative Code:
Section 73.06 (h)Apoeal to the City Council. The permit
applicant or any party aggrieved by the decision of the
heritage preservation commission shall, within fourteen (14)
days of the date of the heritage preservation commission's
ordzr an� decision, have a right to appeal such order and
decision to the city council. The appeal sha11 be deemed
perfected upon receipt by the division of planning of two (2)
copies of a notice of appeal and statement setting forth
the grounds for the appeal. The division of planning
shall transmit one copy of the notice of appeal and statement
to the city council and one copy to the heritage preservation
commission. The commission, in any written order denying
a permit application, shall advise the applicant of the right
to appeal to the city council and include this paragraph
in all such orders.
Please consider the following information in regards to my appeal:
1) My tri-plex is considered supportive to the Historic
Distric. It is neither architecturally or historically
significant. It is not a Summit Avenue house.
2) The fascia, soffits and gutters need to be replaced.
The gutters have rusted through. The fascia has wood rot
and holes where squirrels have chewed through to nest in
the eaves. The soffits are gappe.d and have wood rot. They
are also sagging from the weight of nests and other debrie
left by the birds and squirrels over the years. In the
past the gutters, fascia and soffits have been patched
and repaired. They now need to be replaced.
3) The cost to replace the fascia, soffits and gutters with
orginal material-molding and beadboard-is very expensive.
The owner cannotafford the expense as other major repairs
are yet to be done on the building.
Secondly, the fair market value of the tri-plex has declined
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not warrant spending the cost to replace the fascia, soffit
and gutters with original material.
4) The use of aluminum on the fascia and soffits will only be on
the side and back of the house. The soffits and fascia on
the double story front porch were replaced several'. years
ago with original wood material. From the street the house
wi21 appear unaltered.
The use of aluminum on the fascia and soffits on the side
and back of the house wi11 not deter from the historic or
architectural character of the building or its role as
supportive to the neighborhood. No architectural features
will be lost or removed with the installation of the new fascia
and soffits and gutters.
5) The price for material and installation by Twin Cities Storm
and Sash is $4500.00-a winter sale price with a 409 discount.
The price is fairly afforable and provides maintenance
free material, allowing the owner to make other much needed
repairs and renovations to the building-i.e. foundation
and chimney repair, boiler replacement and exterior and
- interior painting.
Thank you for your time and consideration.
Sincerely, ,
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Dennis A. Louie
Building Owner
cc; Lance Broderick, TCSS
Aaron Rubenstein, HPC
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CITY OF SAINT PAUL
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DAT� 8 7une 1995
WHEREAS, the Saint Paul Heritage Preservation Commission is authorized by Chapter 73 of the
Saint Paul Legislative Code to review building permit applications for exterior alterations, ne�v
construction or demolition on or within desi�nated Heritage Preservation Sites or Herita�e Preservation
Disu and
WHEREAS, Twin City Storm Sash has applied for a building permit to install aluminum soffits,
fascia, and �utters on the structure located at �86 Laurel Avenue in the Historic Hi11 Heritage
Preservation District; and
WHEREAS, the structure at 586 Laurel Avenue is a two-story, I�ieoclassical style residential buildin�
constructed in 1889 and categorized as supportive to the Hill District; and
«'HERE�S, the Historic Hill Heritage Preservation District guide]ines for design review include the
io]lowing:
TI. Restoration and Rehabilitation, A. General Principles: I. Every reasonable effort shall be made
ro provide a compatible use for a property which requires minimal alteration for the burlding,
structure, or site mtd its e�:vironment, or to use a property for its originally intended purpose.
�_ II. A.: 2. The distinguishing original gualities or character of a building, structure, or site and i1s
environment shall not be desrroyed. The removal ar alteration of any historic material or distincrive
rn•chitectural features should be avoided when possible.
II. A.: 6. Delerrorated architeclural features shal! be repaired rather than replaced, whenever
possible. In the event replacement is necessary, the new material should match the material being
replaced in composition, design, color, texture, and other visual gualities. Repair or replacement of
missing architectural features should be based on accurate duplications of features, substantiated by
historic, physical, or pictorial evidence rather than on conjectural designs or the availability of
different architecrural elemenrs from other buildings or structures.
II. A.: 10. Wherever possible, new additions or alterations to structures shall be done in such a
manner that if such alterotions were to be removed in the future, the esse�rtial form and integrity of rhe
structure would be unimpaired.
ZI. C. Siding and Surface Treatment: Deteriorated siding materiols should be replaced with material
used in original construcrion or with materials that resemble the appearance of the old as closely as
possible. Resurfacing frame buildings with new material such as ariificial stone, artiftcial brick
ve�Teer, or asbestos and asphalt shingles is inappropriate and should not be done. Four-inch lap
vinyl, metal, or hardboard siding may be used in some cases to resurface clapboard structures,
especially structures categorized as non-contributive to the disbict, rf well detailed, well designed and
in keeping with the historic character of the structure. Yentilation must be carefully provrded when
using these products �o prevent damage to the original wood fabric by tropping moisture. The width,
pottern and profile of the original siding should 6e duplicated. Residing should not aJter the profile of
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bordering trim such as drip caps, frieze boards and corner boards; if replacement is necessary, they
should be matched; and
WHEREAS, the Saint Pau] Heritage Preservation Commission, based upon the evidence presented at
its May 25 and June 8, 1995 public hearings on said permit application, made the fol]owing findin�s
of fact:
The applicant proposes to wrap the existin� wooden soffits and fascia on the sides, rear, and
front gable of the structure with white aluminum. The wooden eaves on the h�o-story front
porch wculd remain as is. Accordin� to the applicant/contractor, the existing so�ts and fascia
are in good condition but need painting. According to the property. o�vner, the existing fascia
boards are rotted, resulting in problems with animals, and fascia replacement with new �vood
and so�t repair would be cost prohibitive--in excess of $10,000, excluding painting. The
existin� so�ts appeu to be in reasonably good condition, though some reptacement may be
necessary. The cost of the proposed work is $4,548, including new �utters.
2. The applicant has already installed the zluminum soffit and fascia on the west side of the
structure, in spite of numerous wamines from the property owner about the need for a building
permit and inquirie, about its procurement. Accordin� tc the property owner, he had been
assured by the applicant that a permit had been pulled.
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retention of original materia]s and, if necessary, replacement with materials matching the
original. The proposed material differs from the original in composition, design, profile, and
appearance. The existin� soffit boazds ; un parallei to the exterior walls; the profile of the
aluminum soffits are perpendiculaz to the walls. The fascia moldings are also covered.
R'OW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLY�D, that based on the above findings, the Herita�e
Preservation Commission denies approval of a building permit to install aluminum soffits, fascia and
gutters on the structure located at �86 Laurel Avenue.
MOVED BY Baker
SECONDED BY Buetow
IN FAVOR
AGAINST
ABSTAIN
Decisions ot the Heritage Preservation Commission are final, subject to appeat to the City Council within
14 days by anyone atfected by the decision. This resolution does not obviate the need for meeting
applicable building and zoning code requirements, and dou not consTitute approval for tax credits.
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5:00 P.M., ROOM 40 CITY HALL
15 WEST KELLOGG BLVD.
MINUTES
PRESENT:
ABSENT:
Commissioners Miller, Lunning, Baker, Murphy, Vojacek, Heide, Hauser,
Buetow and Frame
Commissioners Carey, Cattanach, Kessler and Albers
ALSO PRESENT: Aaron Rubenstein, LIEP staff
I. ANNOUNCEMENTS
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Mr. Rubenstein made several announcements. A meeting with Mr. Perry Bolin regarding the
Dayton Avenue Presbyterian Church has been scheduled for Friday, May 26 at 9:30 a.m. in the
LIEP office.
The walking tour has been scheduled for June 9th from 4:00 to 6:00 p.m.
Mr. Rubenstein passed out a copy of the comments that Commissioner Albers made at the open
house at Chazles Thompson Memorial Hall. __._
APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA
Commissioner Baker moved approval of the agenda. The motion was seconded by
Commissioner Vojacek and passed unanimously.
PUBLIC HEARINGS: DESIGN REVIEW
586 Laurel Avenue (File #2343)
Twin City Storm Sash
Install aluminum soffit and fascia
A.
Mr. Rubenstein showed slides and gave staff report
Mr. Dennis Louie addressed the commission. He said he has done extensive renovations on the
house, including rebuilding built in gutters on the front porch. The porches are the primary
element seen from the street. The main damage on the house is the fascia. The house value
doesn't warrant the cost of the using wood. Soffit replacement would be $10,000 to $12,000
with plywood, more for running board, and maintenance costs would be higher. Mr. Louie
showed photos of houses in the neighborhood with aluminum trim or siding. The proposed
aluminum color matches the existing painted trim exactly but the paint is dirty and aged. The
aluminum doesn't detract from the historical signiFcance and look. This job would normally cost
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$8,000.00, but he got a 40 percent discount during the winter. There were several questions
!=: from HPC members for staff and Mr. Louie.
Commissioner Lunning said he was concerned about work being done without a permit and about
other structures in the area with aluminum trim.
Commissioner Luvuing moved a rivo week layover to allow research on other houses in the_
neighborhood with aluminum trim. The motion was seconded by Commissioner A4iller and
passed 9-0.
B. 1216 Easf Seventh Street (File #2330)
Orlanda Messerli
Construct one-stall garage
Mr. Rubenstein showed slides and gave staff report. The HPC approved this garage with a 12:12
roof pitch two weeks ago.
. Ms. Messerli stated that the 12:12 roof pitch would be 5690.00 more than a 6:12 pitch and that
an 8:12 would be $250.00 more than 6:12. She also believes that the 12:12 is too high, the roof
would be top heavy, and not much of the garage would be visible from the roof. She prefers a
6:12 pitch, but an 8:12 would be acceptable. Mr. Rubenstein showed slides of garages in the
alley and they are all around 6:12 pitch.
Comnussioner Buetow moved to amend the plans to allow an 8:12 pitch. The motion was
seconded by Commissioner Baker and approved by a vote of 9-0.
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Elliot AndersonlElliot Architects
Stucco
Mr. Rubenstein showed slides and stucco samples.
Commissioner Buetow stated that white is appropriate for half timbering. There was discussion
about color and the HPC purview and a review of the guidelines. Commissioner Buetow asked
if the stucco is acrylic or synthetic and whether or not it will be redashed. Commissioner Heide
asked if the commission can require proof of original color and texture. Commissioner Frame
stated that the commission should review Donnelly Stucco's records. What about the thickness
and how it's applied? Commissioner Lunning stated it would probably require sandblasting the
existing stucco. He would like to get more answers and deal with this in two weeks.
Comcnissioner Lunning suggested a ri��o week layover or staff and commissioner review of
doctunentation of original color and texture provided by the architect. The �vork could be
approved if staff and commissioners can verify that proposed work is similar to original.
This motion was seconded by Couunissioner Miller and passed 9-0.
IV. NEW BUSINESS
A. Design Review Task Force report and discussion
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THURSDAY, JUNE 8, 1995
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15 WEST KELLOGG BLVD
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PRESENT:
ABSENT:
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Commissioners Frame, i�4urphy, Heide, Hauser, Baker, Carey, Lunning, Miiler,
Kessler, Catcanach, Buetow and Albers
Commissioner Vojacek
ALSO PRESENT: Aaron Rubenstein, Lynne Larkin, LIEP staff
I. ANNOUNCEMENTS
' n4r. Rubenstein had no announcements. Commissioner Baker am�ounced an e��ent to honor the
contributions of Ms. Bech Bartz and '�4s. Garnech Peterson on June 26, from 5:00 p.m. to 7:00
p.m. at che University Club. Commissioner Hauser staced he is looking for a historic buildin�,
vacant or not, in which to produce a television series for a period of three months, starting in
mid-August going through sometime in November. Please be on �he lookout for an appropriate
house.
II. APPROVAL OF THE AGEA�DA
III
Mr. Rubenstein asked the convnission to move item 1V - A, after item IV - C. Chair Murphy
requested the item B, under Old Business be deferred to the next meeting.
Cominissioner Baker mo�'ed appro��al of the amended agenda, seconded by Connnissioner
Lumung and appro�'ed unanimously.
PUBLIC HEARIA'GS: DESIGN REVIE\�
B. 1943 Summit A��enue (File �2302)
Elliot Anderson/Elliot Architects
A4odifications of pre�•iously appro��ed plans ,
T4r. Rubenstein eave staff report and showed slides. There were three issues addressed in A4r.
Rubenstein's memo to the commission.
Convnissioner Baker asked about the problem ���ith die strucmral support and windows.
Commissioner Heide pointed out that the french door head height does not match windows as
shown on page 31. Mr. Elliot Anderson stated that it wi11 match wHen done. The transom �lass
�vill be 3 I/2 to 4 inches high. Commissioner Miller asked about the original dark creme stucco
color. Mr. Anderson responded that the owner wants white stucco and Commissioner Buetow
stated there are a number of others in the area that are the same. There was discussion about
window head height, door canopies and stucco.
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permit to cover �;ith aluminum the sofCt and fascia of the Ben Kostvck House at 1439
Summit A�'enue, this ���as seconded by Commissioner Hauser and passed by a��ote of 9-0.
G. 1935 Summit A�•enue (File �2356)
Rachei and Joseph �i'esterme}'er
Construct rear addition
Mr. Rubenstein showed picmres and gave staff report.
The applicants r4r. & Mrs. Joe ��Jestermeyer w�ere present, but had no questions or comments.
Commissioner Kessler tnoced approcal of the draft resolution to grant appro�•al of a
building permit to construct the proposed rear addition, seconded Uy Commissiouer Luniung
and passed by a��ote of 9-0.
\� A. �86 Laurel Acenue (File �{23�33)
T�r•in City Storm Sash
Install aluminum soffit and fascia
Mr. Rubenstein revie�a ed his June 5 memo and additional infomiation. He a]so stated he be]ieved
that approval would set an important precedent for 1439 Sunm�it at this meeting and many likely
future applications.
The applicant and property owner were not present. Conm�issioner Frame stated that there is no
standard for economic hardship. It is zddressed on a case by case basis. Corrvnissioner Carey
pointed out the "be it further resol��ed" clause in the previous 593 Laurel resolution approvin�
_. aluminum window trim states that "this shal] not serve as precedent when considering applications
for similar work in the future".
Commissioner Baker moced the draft resoIution to deny approval of a building permit to
install aluminum soffits, fascia and autters on the structure located at 536 Laure( Acenue;
seconded by Commissioner Buetow. This motion passed Uy a��ote of 8-0.
At this point the Chair was turned o��er to Secretary Baker.
IV. OLD BUSINESS
A. 669 East Third Street update and discussion
Mr. Rubenstein briefed the commission about the Ma�•or's veot concerning 669 East Third Street
and about the HRA's actions concerning 661 and 669 East Third Street. The conunission
discussed the situation and how to be invo]ved in conmiunity development policy discussions.
B. Design reciew process
The Chair laid this item over until the next HPC meeting.
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HERTTAGE PRESERVATION COMII�SSION STAFF REPORT
FILE NAME: Install aluminum soffit and fascia
APPLICANT: Twin City Storm Sash
DATE OF APPLICATION: 5.5.95
DATE OF FIEARING: 5.2595
LOCATION: 586 Laurel Avenue (south side between Kent and Dale)
LEGAL DESCRIPTION: Lot 5, Block 7, Woodland Pazk Addition
HPC SITE/DISTRICT: Historic Hill District
CLASSIFICATION: moderate
STAFFINVESTIGATIONANDREPORT: DATE: 5.20.95
CATEGORY: supportive
BY: Aazon Rubenstein
A. SITE DESCRiPTION: The structure at 586 Laurel Avenue is a two story, Neoclassical style
residence constructed in 1889. It has a rectangular plan, hipped roof with intersecting gables and
asphalt shingles, clapboard siding, primarily one-over-one double hung windows, a stone
foundation, and a two-story front porch with squaze columns, the first story of which is open and
the upper story enclosed. The east side yard has been excavated to apparently provide access and
light to a basement-level dwelling unit. The structure currently has three units. At the rear of the
lot is a contemporary two-stali garage with alley access.
B. PROPOSED CI�ANGES: The applicant proposes to install white aluminum soffits, fascia, and
gutters. •
G GUIDELINE CITATIONS: The Historic Hill Heritage Preservation District guidelines for
design review include the following:
77. Restoration and Rehabilitation, A. Ge�:eral Principles: 1. Every reasonable effort shall be
made to provide a compatible use for a property which requires minimal alteration for the
building, structure, or site and its environrnent, or to use a property for its origi�aaZly intersded
purpose.
II. A.: 2. The distinguishing original quQlities or character of a building, structure, or site and
its environment shall not be destroyed. The removal or alteration of any historic nsaterial or
distinctive architectural features should be avoided when possible.
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II. A.: 6. Deteriorated architectural features shall be repaired rather than replaced, whenever
possible. In the event replacement is necessary, the new material should match the n:aterial being
replaced in compositron, design, color, texture, and other visual qualities. Repair or replacement
ofmissing architecturalfeatures should be based on accurate duplications offeatures,
substantiated by historic, physical, or pictorial evidence rafher than on conjectural designs or the
availability of different architectural elen:ents from other buildings or structures.
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II. A.: 10. Wherever possible, new additions or aZterations to structures sha11 be done in such a
manner that :f such alterations were to be removed in the future, the essential form and integrity
of the structure would be unimpaired.
77. C. Siding and Surface Treatment: Deteriorated siding materials should be repZaced with
material used in original construction or with materials that resemble the appearance of the old
as closely as possible. Resurfacingframe buiZdings with new material such as artificial stone,
artificial brick veneer, or asbestos and asphalt shingles is inappropriate and should not be done.
Four-inch lap vinyl, metal, or hardboard siding may be used in some cases to resurface
clapboard structures, especially structures categorized as non-contributive to the district, if well
detailed, well designed and in keepirag with the historic character of the structure. Venrilation
must be carefully provided when using these products to prevent damage to the original wood
fabric by trapping moisture. The width, pattern and profile of the origi�ral srding should be
duplicated. Residing should not alter tl�e profile of bordering trim such as drip caps, frieze
boards and corner boards; iJreplacement is necessary, they should be matched.
D. FINDII�TGS:
1. The applicant proposes to wrap the existing wooden so�ts and fascia on the sides and reaz of
- the structure with white aluminum. The wooden eaves on the two-story front porch would
-� remain as is. According to the applicandcontractor, the existing soffits and fascia aze in good
� condition but need painting. According to the property owner, the existing fascia boazds are
rotted, resulting in prob]ems with animals, and fascia replacement with new wood and soffit
repair would be cost prohibitive--in excess of $10,000, excludin� painting. The existing
soffits appear to be in reasonably good condition, though some replacement may be
necessary. The cost of the proposed work is $4,548, including new gutters.
2. The applicant has already installed the a]uminum soffit and fascia on the west side of the
structure, in spite of numerous warnings from the property owner about the need for a
building permit and inquiries about its procurement. According to the property owner, he
had been assured by the applicant that a permit had been pulled.
The proposed alteration does not conform to the Hill District guidelines which call for
retention of original materials and, if necessary, replacement with materials matching the
original. The proposed material differs from the original in composition, design, profile, and
appearance. The existing soffit boards run pazallel to the exterior walls; the profile of the
aluminum soffits are perpendicular to the walls. The fascia moldings aze also covered.
Finally, the white color of the aluminum does not re]ate to the rest of the exterior which has
dazk taupe siding and trim of cream and blue.
E. STAFF RECOMl!'IENDATION: Based on the above findings, staff recommends denial of the
proposed aluminum soffits, fascia and gutters.
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Norm Colemax, Mayor
MEMORANDUM
TO: Heritage Preservation Commission
FROM: Aaron Rubenstein f{P�
RE: 586 Laurel Avenue/File 1f2343
DATE: 5 June 1995
OFF�CE OF LICENS$ INSPECTfONS AND /
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BUILDING Facsimile: 672-266-9099
Svite 300 672-266-9124
350 St. Peter S(reet
SaintPavl, �nnesota 55102-7570
At its May 25, 1995 meeting, the HPC laid over the application of Twin City Storm Sash to
install aluminum soffit and fascia on the residential structure at 586 I.aure] Avenue in order to
ailow for investigation of similar cases presented at the May 25 meeting by the property
owner, Mr. Dennis Louie.
Attached are my notes of a survey of the structures on the block of Laurel on which 586 is
located. Significant findings are:
2.
The HPC approved in 1992 vinyl siding to replace asbestos siding on the house at 562
Laurel subject to the condition that fascia and (at least some) window trim remain
uncovered. Very little clapboard siding remained and it was in poor condition. The
soffit and fascia now existing are wood.
The houses at 590, 589, and 613 I.aurel have aluminum siding and trim that was
installed prior to creation of the Hill District.
The three story apartment building at 593 Laurel has aluminum trim on eaves and
windows on the front of the building which was approved by the HPC in 1990
(resolution attached). Staff had recommended denial and the Design Review
Committee denied approval.
I am still looking into two cases elsewhere in the neighborhood cited by Mr. Louie.
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CITY OF SAINT PAUL
HERiTAGE PRESERVATION COMMISSlON
FILE NUMBER �i9s
DATE November 15, 1990
RESOLUTION
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WHEREAS, the Saint Paul Heritage Preservation Commission is authorized by Chapter 73
of the Saint Paul Legislative Code to review building permit applications for exterior
alterations, new construction or demolition on or within designated Heritage Preservation
Sites or Heritage Preservation Districts; and
WHEREAS, Dona]d Lyman of Midwest R'indow Company has appiied for a building
permit to cover all ezterior wood trim of the front Cacade with blue aluminum coil and to
cover soCfit areas with vinyl soffit panels at 593 Laurel Avenue; and
1!'HERE�S, 59�Laurel is a 3 story Classical Revivai b-unit apartment building built in
1901 and categorized as supportive to the Historic Hill District; and
WHEREAS, the Historic Hil! Heritage Preservation District Guidelines for Design Review
include the following:
I. Section D. Restoration and Rehabilitation oC the Historic Hill District Guidelines for
Design Review states, "All work shall be oC a character and quality ihat maintains the
distinguishing features of the building and environment."
2. Section D. II. Siding and Surface Treatment states, "Resurfacing frame buildings w�ith
:-�^'� new material which is inappropriate...should not be done. Four-inch metal siding may
� be used in some cases to resurface clapboard structures if well detailed, w•ell designed
and in keeping with the historicat character of the structure."
3. Section D. IV. Window•s and Doors states, "R'indow sash, glass, lintels, sills, architraves,
doors, pediments, hoods, steps, and all hardware should be retained'
«'HEREAS, the Design Review Committee of the Heritage Preservation Commission met
on November 6, 1990, and voted to deny said building permit application; and
R'HEREAS, the Saint Paul Heritage Preser�ation Commission, based upon evidence
presented at their Vovember I5, 1990, public hearing on said permit application, made the
following findings of fact:
1. Due to the restrained detailing found in Classical Revival buildines of this [ype, [he
fenestration and its relatcd elements (iacluding window and door trim) and treatment
of the eaves are the primary stylistic elements oC this structure and are therefore
considered distinguishing features of che structure.
2. The proposed cocering of window and trim with aluminum coil stock will, to some
degree, distort and blur the profile of the trim. The character and quality of this
w�ork does not maintain the distinguishing qualities of this siructure.
3. 1i'ell designed resarfacing with artifici3l siding typically implies that wood trim and
detailing remains intact. Covering of the exterior trim is not considered to be "well
designed" and is not in keeping with the historical character of the structure.
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While window sills and architrases will be covered by an artificiai product they will
be retained thereby allowing thc ezterior trim to be restored by a future owner.
The proposed wor arcnt toethe7casual obs rverfront facade of the structure but will
not be readily app
A situation of economic hardship exists in that appropriate repair and replacing of
wood trim will increase project costs by 50 percent, a cost that the Hawthorne East
Association, owners of 593 Laurel A�enuc, are unable to bear at this time due to their
financial situation.
Failure to perfozm some type oC correctional repair to the ezterior trim could result
in serious structural damage to the structure.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that baseed�oL apP� ca�ion toa�overtall exter3or
Preservation Commission appro�es the building p
wood trim of the front facade w'ith aluminum coil stock and to cover soffit areas With
vinyl soffit panels at 593 Laurel A�enue.
lications for
BE IT FUR7fIER RESOLYED, that this decision has been made under the economic
hardship provision and shall not ser�e as precedent when considering app
similar work in the future.
!�tOYED BY Rafferty
SECONDED B1' Murphy
IN FAVOR 6
AGAINST 0
ABSTAIN 0
Decisions of the Heritage Preser.ation Commission are final, subject to appeal to the City
Councii within 10 days by anyone affected by the decision. This resolution does not
obviate the need for meeting applicable building and zoning code reqnisements, and does
not constitute approval for tax credits.
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