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176678 ••original to City Clerk , CITY OF ST. PAUL F LE"c"' NO.17O6 OFFICE OF THE CITY CLERK -- .�. UNCIL RE O UTION—GENERAL FORM x 1 PRESENTED BY a; t COMMISSIONE DATE , AZ I WHEREAS, during the past few months the Personnel Committee of the Saint Paul City Council, at the express request of the representatives of the employes of both the Fire Department and the Police Department, has been studying the present salaries paid to these employes in regard to basic pay of firefighters and patrolmen and the adjusting percentages that should exist in all promotional titles, and WHEREAS, the representatives of the said employes have pre- sented to and urged upon the Personnel Committee arguments directed to an increase in the salary rates paid these employes, as well as a consideration of other methods of computation of the salary rates to be paid to said employes, and WHEREAS, the Personnel Committee and said representatives have worked at length on this problem, in complete harmony, and with knowledge of the scope of the actual problem, and have studied the multiple different aspects which have been presented by reason of the unigtke occupation. of the police and fire employes.,- and WHEREAS, it now appears that there are certain aspects of such study which might well be assigned to a separate committee for findings and report in that, while at all times the relations be- tween the -Council Committee and the representatives have been amicable and both sides have given of time and effort in this study, the parties have been aware that the employer-employe relationship exists between the City, represented by the Personnel Committee, and the employes, represented by their representatives, and that any solution must take into account not only the individual employes in this category, but their place in the salary scale in relation to other types of City employment, and WHEREAS, both the Personnel Committee and the representatives of the employes, in a sincere cooperative fashion, are sincerely of mind that a study of this problem made by a separate and unbiased advisory committee might be of aid and 'help in attempting to solve ,, this rather vexing grade and compensation problem, now therefore be it COUNCILMEN Adopted by the Council 196- .^ Yeas Nays Gibbons Halvorson Approve 196— Holland Marzitelli l In Favor Mortinson Mayor Peterson Against Mr. President, Dillon I SM 6.55 2 • /'� �) •.original to City Clerk CITY OF ST. PAUL COUNCIL CITY NO. OFFICE OF THE CITY CLERK COUNCIL RESOLUTION—GENERAL FORM PRESENTED BY COMMISSIONER DATE RESOLVED, by the Personnel Committee., with the acquiesence of the representatives of the employes, that it advises the Council of the City of Saint Paul that it believes it to be in the best interests of all involved that the Mayor should appoint, with the approval of the City Council, a committee of five members, with the direction to said Committee to conduct a study, make findings, and report to the Council and advise the said body specifically, among other things, on these questions: 1. Should the employes of the Police and Fire Department remain to the graded division of the Civil Service of the City? 2. If the Committee thinks the said employes should remain in the graded division, are the said employes properly graded at the present time, and if not, how should they be regraded and into what classification? What change, if any, should be made in the basic pay of firefighters and patrolmen and adjusting percentages that should exist in all pro- motional titles? 3. What comparision is there, or can there be, between the employes involved and those engaged in like work in other cities of the United States of 250,000 population or greater? 4. What comparison is there, or can there be made, between the basic rate of pay now paid in Saint Paul to its firefighters and policemen, with basic rate of pay paid by governmental subdivisions to their firefighters and policemen in full time and fully staffed police and fire departments, in the Twin City Metropolitan area? 5. Zf such comparison, as suggested in the former question, can properly be made, is it possible that any working standard arising from such a comparison can be used for the express purpose of achieving a base and COUNCILMEN Adopted by the Council 196— Yeas Nays Gibbons Halvorson Approved 19b— Holland Marzitelli Favor Mortinson 0 Mayor Peterson Against Mr. President, Dillon SM 6.55 4M02 origi nal to city Oerk 176678 CITY OF ST. PAUL COUNCIL NO. :. OFFICE OF THE CITY CLERK COUNCIL RESOLUTION—GENERAL FORM PRESENTED BY COMMISSIONER DATE adjustment to base for the payment of salaries to the employes involved? 6. To what extent would the Committee feel that the "Mechanical trades" salary base payment now in use in the City of Saint Paul might be pertinent to and usable by the City in paying the fire and police employes? 7. What basis would exist for an installation for salary payment on a formula related to the payment of a percent of the mechanical grade formula averaged and weighted (l.e. with certain selective Job titles used as a base), a plan now in use in the City of Minneapolis? BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, in order that any recommendations made by the Committee may be properly considered by the City Council, and be made effective, that this study be made and hearings com- pleted by the Committee not later than May 31, 1956, and the Com- mittee report submitted to the Council not later than June 15, 1956, and BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that pursuant to the provisions of Section 472 of the City Charter, all meetings shall be public and evidence taken by the Committee, necessary, relevant and material to the proper study of the questions herein suggested and presented. 3 1956 COUNCILMEN Adopted by the Council F E B 195— Yeas Nays cam- FEB 1 � Halvorson Approved 195— Holland Marzitelli In Favor Mortinson Mayor Peterson d Aroainat Mr.President, Dillon ON 6.55 2 °baplicate to Printer CITY OF ST. PAUL F LE "C" NO. OFFICE OF THE CITY CLERK COUNCIL RESOLUTION—GENERAL FORM PRESENTED BY COMMISSIONER DATE WHMiEAS, during the past few months the Personnel Committee of the Saint Paul City Council, at the express request of the representatives of the employes of both the Fire Department and the Police Department, has been studying the present salaries paid to these employes in regard to basic pay of firefighters and Patrolmen and the adjusting percentages that should exist in all promotional titles, and WHEREAS, the representatives of the said employees have pre- sented to and urged upon the Personnel Committee arguments directed to an increase in the salary rates part these employee, as well as a consideration of other methods of computation of the salary rates to be paid to said employes, and WHIMAS, the Personnel Committee and said representatives have worked at length on this problem, in complete harmony, and with knowledge of the scope of the actual problem, and have studied the multiple different aspects which have been presented by reason of the unique occupation of the police and fire employes, and WHEREAS, it now appears that there are certain aspects of such study which might well be assigned to a separate committee for findings and report in that, while at all times the relations be- tween the; Council Committee and the representatives have been amidable and both sides have given of time and effort in this study, the parties have been aware that the employer-employe relationship exists between the City, represented by the Personnel Committee , and the employes, represented by their representatives, acid that..any solution must take into account not only the individual employes in this category, but their place in the salary scale in relation to other types of City employment, and WHEREAS, both the Personnel: Committee and the representatives of the employes, in a, sincere cooperative fashion, are sincerely of mind that a. study of this problem made by a separate and unbiased advisory committee might be of aid and help in attempting to solve . this rather vexing grade and compensation problem, now therefore be it COUNCILMEN Adopted by the Council 195— Yeas Nays Gibbons Halvorson Approved 195— Holland Marzitelli Tn Favor Mortinson Mayor Peterson Against Mr. President, Dillon 6-55 2 'Duplicate to Printer COUNCIL 176678 CITY OF ST. PAUL FILE NO. OFFICE OF THE CITY CLERK COUNCIL RESOLUTION—GENERAL FORM PRESENTED BY COMMISSIONER DATE RESOLD, by the Personnel Committee, with the acquiescence of the repreaentativee of the employes., that it adv1ses. the Council of the City of Saint Paul that it believes it to be in the Y beet interests of all involved that the Mayer should appoint.# with the approval of the City Council, a committee of five members, with the direction to said Committee to conduct a study, make findings, and report to the Council and advise the said body specifically, among other things, on these questions: 1. Should the employes of the Police and Fire Department remain to the graded division of the Civil. Service of the City? 2. the Committee thinks the said employes should remain in the graded division, are the said employes properly graded at the present time, and if not, hots should they be. regraded and into ghat classification? What change, if any, should be made in the baslo pay of firefighters and, patrolmen and adjusting percentages that should exist in all pro- motional titles? 3. What comparison is there, or can there be, between the employes involved and those engaged in like work in other cities of the United States of 250,004 population or greater? 4. What comparison is there, or can there be made, between the basic rate of pay now paid in Saint Pte. to its Firefighters and policemen, with basic rate of poy paid by governmental subdivisions to their firefighters and policemen in full time and fully staffed police and fire deperrtmpnts, in the 'twin City Metropolitan area:? 5. .-If such comparison$ as suggested in the former questlonl can properly be made, is it possible that any working standard arising from such a. comparison can be used for the express purpose of achieving a base and COUNCILMEN Adopted by the Council 195— Yeas Nays Gibbons Halvorson Approved 195— Holland Marzitelli In Favor Mayor Mortinson Peterson Against Mr. President, Dillon 6.55 - 2 "Duplicate to Printer` 1 76` 78 CITY OF ST. PAUL FNCIL FILE NO. OFFICE OF THE CITY CLERK COUNCIL RESOLUTION—GENERAL FORM PRESENTED BY COMMISSIONER DATE adjustment to base for the payment of salaries to the employes Involved? 6. To what extent would the Ccmittee feel that the "Mechanical trades" salary base payment now in use in the City of Saint Paul might be pertinent to and usable by the City in paying the fire and police employes? 7. What basis would exist for an Installation for salary pent can a, fonnula related to the payment of a percent df the mechanical grade formula averaged and weighted (1.e. with certain selective Job titles used as a base)$ a plan now in use in the City of Minneapolis? BE IT POTHER RRS , 'VEA,, in order that any recommendations made by the Cpr=ittee may be properly considered by the City Council, and be made effective, that this study be made and hearings com- pleted by the Comttee not later than May 31, 1956, and the Com- mittee report submitted to the Council not later than June 15s 1956., and BE IT POTHER RESOLM.* that, pursuant to the provisions of Section, 472 cif the City Charter, all meetings shall_ be public and evidence tarn by the Committee, necessary, levant and material to the proper study of the questions herein suggested and presented. FEB 3 1956 COUNCILMEN Adopted by the Council 195— Yeas Nays Gibbons- r 3 'll' . Halvorson Approved 195— Holland MarzitelliIn Favor Mayor Mortinson Peterson Against Mr. President, Dillon 1 6-55 - 2 CQPy REPORT TO TIE COW40N COUNCIL OF TEE CITY OF SAINT PAUL B1' THE CITIZENS' CCI�TTI APPflI TID TO STUDY GRADE AM CtJM EMATION PRCBMM OF THE MME OF THE POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMEN S OF THE CITY OF SAINT PAUL The Committee, consisting of Mr. Joseph Prifrel, Chairman; The Reverend Norman Andersen; Mrs. Mildred Bard ll; Mr. Clyde A. Pearson and Mr. John B. Rita; was appointed by resolution of the City Council, said resolution being known as Council File No. 177144, adopted March 20, 1956. for the purpose of studying grade and compensation problem of the members of the Police and Fine Departments of the City of Sault Paul, as set forth in the resolution of the City Council known as Council File No. 176678, approved February 3i 1936. The Committee held a meeting for the purpose of organizing on March 26, 1956. All members were present. Chairman Prifrel presided and stated the basic purpose of the Committee's work. The procedures to be followed by the Committee were discussed, and it was decided that the proponents of salary adjustments should be called before the Committee to testify. The next meting of the Committee was held on April 13• 1956• A11 members of the Commitfte�wem present. The following persons appeased and testified and presented a. written brief "outlining; their contentions: Mr. William Carroll, President of Uniformed Firefighters, St. Patel Local No 21 Mr. Frank Oberg, Secretary of Unifort ed Firefighters, St. Paul Local ado. 21 Mr. Wallace =Carlson. Treasurer of St. Paul Police Union Local 985 Mr. Peter Kramer, President of St. Paul Police Union Local 985 Mr. Phillip Leisr, Secretary of St. Paul Police Union Local 985 The conclusions irw the brief indicated desire on the part of the policemen and firemen to be removed from the classified branch of Civil Service, and is be tied in with an average of the salaries for certain skilled building tradesmen. C Q P Y REPORT Page 2 The Committee net again on April 17, 1956, with all Co i.ttee members present. At this meeting the same individuals who appeared before the Committee at `the meeting on April 13th were again present. In addition. Mr. Herbert Lyon, Chief Civil Service Examiner, also appeared and testified. Information which the Crittee had requested earlier was distributed by Mr. Thomas J. Ryan, Assistant Corporation Counsel, Secretary to the CamdUbe. Mr. Lyon's testimony was in opposition to the adoption of the formula which had been .suggested by the representatives of the policemen and firemen at the meeting on April 13, 1956. On April 20, 19.56, the Comitt6e sit with all mepbers present, except Mr. John S. Rihm, who was excused*' The same persons were again present who had testified at the meeting on April 17, 1956. The Committee, at this meeting, asked questions of the representatives of the policemen's and firemen's unions and of the'Chief Civil Service Examiner. On May 14, 1956, the Committee met with all members present except the Reverend Mr. Anderson, who was exceed. At this meeting no one appeared to testify. The Comi tt+ee.members discussed the various problems involved and the questions; posed in tas Council's resolution creating the C ttee., It was decided at this meeting that a separate salary classification wauld` justified for policemen and firemen. On May a. 1956. the Committee net with rzl present. At this meeting a letter frame Mr. Harold Wifall., the Chairman of the Uniformed Ranking, Officets Association of the Saint Paul. Police Department was read. The` letter requested a hearing before the Committee on a differential in salary copy REPORT Page 3 between the uniformed police officers and the Detective Lieutenants. The Secretaryof'the Committee was instructed to notify anyone desiring to be heard to be present at the next meeting. After a discussion of the contentions of interested parties, the Chairman requested that each member of the Comittee, write his or her individual answer*s to the questions contained in the resolution creating the Committee, and have theta ready for the rest meeting. The next meeting was held on May 31, 1956, with all Committee members present. In addition, the following individuals appeared to testify: Mr. Peter Kroner President of St. Paul Polio Union Local 985: Mr. Wallace Carlson, Treasurer of St. Paul Police union Local 985; Mr. Phillip Lei,er, Secretary of St. Paul Police Union Local LEI 985; Lieutenants Wallace. Wifall and Michaels, and Sergeant Pavlik, who represented the Uniformed Ranking OffiPers- Association of the Saint Paul Police Department. They presented the case for. individual classifications within the Police Department. on June ll, 1955, the Committee met for a luncheon Ming. At this meeting there was a general discussion of the pros and cons of the various methods which might be adopted to establish a fair and equitable formula for the increasing or decreasing of policemen's and firemen's salaries. Also at this meeting, the Secretary was instructed to request the Council to extend the time for the report of the Cotton ttee beyond June lath. On June l9th, the Council passed a resolution extending the time for the Comniitee's Report to June 30, 1956• On Thursday, June 28, 1956. the Canni.ttee met with all members present, with the exception of Mr. John B. Rihm, who was hospitalized at the time. C 0 P Y REPORT Page 4 On July l9, 1956, the Comittee act, with all members present, except Mr. John B. Ribm, who was in, and the, Reverend Mr. Anderson, who was excused. At this meeting, the Corranittee deliberated -further and arrived at the fangs and conclusions set forth hereinafter. C0FY FINDII'GS The camittee rinds the folloving facts: 1. Teat the nature of the work of members of the Police and Fire Depert- ments, is see different than the work performed by other City eMUWees or e Mloyees in private Industry tbat:. they should be vithdravu from the classified branch of Civil Service, and that their W 4 should be established on a separate basis. 2. 7bat the salary for the position c t patrolman and firefighter s first be set at a fair and equitable amowt# and that the present salary for Us" t ags is tot fair and equitable. fte Comsaitteea: finds that the salaries abould be raised. 3. ftft Cca>oaeMOO finds thaat the: MOM OstablisbNOnt of a fair and equitable rate as net forth in Fix ing No. 2 would; not take oLft of future fluetationear in econamic conditions. 7he Oamittee finds heat stagy method of guargatee alm" be es#abl so that polies:s and fits salaries vi ll not fall 'below ether City eWlcayeset or policemen and fib aWl 9yed by other Mite of goverment in the >aetropOli UM area. 4. 7 Ccm tteee finds that certain incentives to retort ewploye" in the Police and Fire Dea)eartments abould be set up because of the mat anent of specialized training required,red to establish goad Police and Fire D rtae nts- 5. The Con tteee finds that its Jurisdiction as spelled Out by tine resolution er sting the Ccumittee do" ast late any cs lssiesaa On Individual grade d spxteas such as terse pr+eseuted to the Co»itteea, by the Vitiformd Ranking Orfleers Association., or the d.iMreutial granted to the Fire Engineers. FINDMOS page 2 The Coemmitteee specifically ansvters the gmstime set forth in the resolution which meted the Committee, a copy of vhich resolution is attached hereto, as follows 2. Neer& not be answered became,of the negative annter to No. 1. 3':. No ccsrparison can be mode ba tmen emloygvs involved and those eked in Like occupations in gather cities having popsls time In e=mm of 250,000 iniabi tents,, berme of the climatico geop'M� and aectommic #. A {ecs> prism betvaren the bsaie rate of . in Saint P&ul Mmd that paid by other goverramtal subdivisime in the Try City metropolitan area (ftkiUS.. SoWth mint PaUly BUM, St.. L=J8 Park, Richfield, pc�3.iae and West Swint P=l) vouM not be realistic since m +o# theft other depae have less t mm a doss app3oymm, have no industrial arms to service, orAj except for l rmuewperl3s, their responsibilities are q%dto different from tie of the firemen n and policemen in Saint Pma. 5. No, became of the ammr to No. 4. +6. 'The Ccammitte►.e f'iards that the mehanical trades salsry base pr ment, together with the Boreau of Labor Statistics figures on verges for skilled labor in the Twin Cities area, should be used in p%ying City Fire and Police: Department e xployeas. 7. The Ommitteee fiapds that the use of an avert of the maebanirAl trades spry base and skilled labor, des to acct forth in Nor. 6 would accurately reflect ecomcnic conditions as they exist In the TvIn Cities area. COEMMIMS 1. 7he Caomittwe recanends the witb rataal of the eMloye es of the Police and ftrs Departments in the City of Saint Pad frm the classified branch of Civil Services and their e8tabli xat ueder the mclassified bah of Civil Service. 2. 2be Ccmi.tt a reccumends that the salary for the position of firefighter and the position of petrolum in the City of Saint Paul sbalt be set as foLl For the first six months of swh aglopmty the MU of $351-00 per th; For the ltd six amthe sxC such employamt., the sua of $362.00 per, amth; For the third six muthe of such lent. the am of $373.00 Ver amtho. For the fourth six manthe at such amt; the sum. of $384*00 Jor =Mth; For they fifth six months of`:.such aoyment; the am of 096.0o. After the fifth six monthe Cad.' such a mployme3t t until the and ot the fist five years of such a laym ut, the sm of 8.00 per manth; After the first five yearss of such amployment, the am; of $4M.00 per nth. The salary scale for all other positions in the Fire and PoLtee -Departments in the City of Saint Paul shall be ed,' ted so that the present percentage differentlaU shall resain vme . 3. The Committee recommends that the base salary scale as set forth in Conclusion No. 2 shall be adjusted in accordance with the following formula.