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RESOLUTION
CITY OF SAINT PA1JL, MINNESOTA
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BE IT RESOLVEB, that the Council of the Ciry of Saint Paul hereby certifies and approves the April 27,
2010 decision of the Legislative Hearing Officer for Appeals of Letters, Deficiency Lists and Denial of
Building Permits to Replace Egress Windows for the following addresses:
Propertv Appealed
1832 Nebraska Avenue East
Appellant
Terry V an Atta
Decision: Deny the appeal.
1050 Westeate Drive
Patti Murnane, Impressions Inc.
Decision: Grant a variance for the existing protective shields over the printing presses.
403 Fillmore Avenue
Jeffrey Wittmann, Americraft Carton
Decision: Grant an extension to August 1, 2010 to install the new sprinkler system.
1496 Chelmsford Street
Andrew and Sylvia Oxenham
Decision: Grant a 9-inch variance on the openable height and a 1-inch variance on the openable width of
four replacement egress bedroom windows.
697 Hoyt Avenue East
Window World
Decision: Deny the appeal.
1651 Marvland Avenue East
Sharon Gellert
Decision: Grant a 2-inch variance on the openable height of the bedroom egress windows on the first and
second floors; deny the appeal concerning the driveway which will need to go through the site plan review
for approval; the property owner can continue to use Class 5 but will need to put new Class 5 on the
condition the "footprinY' is equal or less than the new guidelines.
1236 Seventh Street East
Jeffrey DeLisle
Decision: Deny the appeal.
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Resolu[ion approvings the Apri] 27, 2010 decision of the Legislative Heazing Officer for Appeals of Letters, Deficiency Lists and
Denial of Building Pennits to Replace Egress Windows at 1832 Nebraska Avenue East, 1050 Westgate Drive, 403 Fillmore Avenue,
1496 Chelmsford Street, 697 Hoyt Avenue East, 1651 Maryland Averme East, and 1236 Seventh Street East.
Recommendations: Approve (A) or Reject (R): personal Service Contrects Must Answer the Following Questions:
Planning Commission 1. Has this person/firm ever worked under a contract for this department?
CIB Committee Yes No
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Yes No
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MINUTES OF THE LEGISLATIVE HEARING OFFICER
ON APPEALS OF LETTERS, LETTERS OF DEFICIENCY,
VACANT BUILDING REGISTRATION NOTICES & FEES,
AND DENIAL OF BUILDING PERMITS
Tuesday, April 27, 2010
Room 330 City Hall, 15 Kellogg Blvd. West
Mazcia Moermond, Legislative Hearing Officer
The hearing was called to order at 1:35 p.m.
STAFF PRESENT: Mike Urmann, DeparGnent of Safety and Inspections (DSI) — Fire; Leanna
Shaff, DSI — Fire; Matt Dornfeld, DSI — Code Enforcement; Harold Robinson, DSI — Code
Enforcement; Mai Vang, City Council Offices
Appeal of Terry Van AtCa to a Certificate of Occupancy Deficiency List fbr property at 1832
Nebraska Avenue East.
Appellant Terry Van Atta (964 250`" Avenue, Luck, WI 54853) appeared.
Mr. Urmann stated that several items were being appealed and asked whether they could be
addressed point by point. Mr. V an Atta said some of the issues had been addressed since the appeal
was filed.
Mr. Urmann said the first item being appealed was Yhe downstairs door frame. He said he spoke
with the inspector who had said the door was not weather tight. Mr. Van Atta said it hadn't been
clear from the order and he had tried to reach the inspector on several occasions for clarification.
The inspector refused to respond to his phone calls and told him that any problems should be
addressed through the appeals process. Ms. Moermond said they would discuss the building issues
first and then address concerns related to phone calls and inspector behavior.
Mr. Van Atta said the next item he was appealing was also vague in that it did not specify where the
painting was required. Mr. Urmann responded that his understanding of the order was that painting
was required throughout the space. He said there was peeling and chipped paint that needed to be
scraped down and resealed and maintained in a professional workman-like condition. Mr. Van Atta
said painting was not needed throughout; and he would like a second opinion.
Ms. Moermond asked whether there was peeling paint. Mr. Van Atta said there was not. He said it
was a Section 8 apartment and was inspected carefully by PHA and the walls had not been cited.
Ms. Moermond asked about Item 6 related to the dryer vent. Mr. Van Atta said he had removed the
dryer from the lower unit.
Mr. Urmann stated that in Item 8, addressing plumbing fixtures, the inspector had noted that the
toilet was not secured to the floor. Mr. Van Atta said the toilet was secure when he was at the
property and he couldn't imagine his tenants would have repaired it themselves.
Ms. Moermond asked about Item 10 ordering installation of a deadbolt on the front entry door. Mr.
Van Atta said the unit had never had a deadbolt but he would install one.
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Mr. Urmann said the next item related to the porch stairs. The inspector had reported that the
guardrail was unsupported and started to move away from the stairs and there were several broken
stairs. A permit was required for the repair because it was structural and not just maintenance. Mr.
Van Atta responded that staff in the permit department indicated that a permit was not required for
work that would cost less than $500. Mr. Urmann said that was true except when the work was
structuralin nature.
Ms. Moermond asked for clarification of what needed to be repaired. Mr. Urmann responded that
the inspector said the guardrail was not secure, would not hold normal body weight, and might be
dangerous structurally. Mr. Van Atta responded that it was not cleaz to him what needed to be
repaired. He said he would secure the railing but would like to know exactly what was required so
he did not get levied re-inspection fees.
Ms. Moermond noted that the deadline for the work was April 28; she asked how much more time
was needed. Mr. Van Atta asked for a couple more weeks.
Ms. Moermond recommended granting an extension to May 17. She reviewed the requirement for
bringing the doorframe into compliance. Mr. Van Atta said he wanted some assurance that weather
stripping was what the inspector required.
Mr. Urmann said it was standazd practice to have a responsible party accompany the inspector
during inspections; he asked Mr. Van Atta who had met with the inspector. Mr. Van Atta stated
that he hadn't received an appointment letter and that the inspector had called to inform him he was
going to the property to investigate a report. He said the inspector had gained access at that time
and had told the tenants he could access the property any time he wanted. He said he asked the
inspector for a copy of the statute allowing access but hadn't gotten a response.
Ms. Moermond reviewed the deficiency list. Ms. Shaff noted that there was a refenal letter dated
April 1 about a business being run out of the garage. She said Inspectar Thomas had gone to the
property to investigate that complaint and it was standard procedure for an inspector following up
on a complaint to conduct a full inspection if the property had never had one or was due to have
one.
Ms. Moermond asked Mr. V an Atta to elabarate on what he said in the appeal about the inspector
going through the tenants' personal items. Mr. Van Atta said the tenants told him the inspector had
seazched tool boxes and jars of nuts and bolts, and when asked, the inspector said he was looking
for something illegal and his upstairs tenant would testify to that. Ms. Moermond asked for the
tenanYs contact information and said the tenant could submit something in writing. She said she
could not conduct an investigation into the matter but could make a referral. She reviewed the
items and deadlines. She said the guardrail could be repaired without a permit; if it was not in
compliance at the reinspection, a permit would be required to complete the repair. She asked that
the reinspection be conducted by a supervisor.
On May 25, 2010, Ms. Moermond reviewed the email sent by Mr. Van Atta and his statement from
the Apri127 hearing. She understood his concern about experiencing potentially a"retaliatory"
inspection; however, she needed more specific information from the tenant(s) to refer this for
further investigation. With respect to the items listed in the April 6, 2010 Deficiency List, an
extension was granted at the Apri127 Legislative Hearing with a compliance of May 17, 2010. A
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follow-up inspection was conducted which found that many of the items on the April 6, 2010 set of
orders had not been addressed. Based on this information, Ms. Moermond denied the appeal as fire
inspection staff established a compliance date of June 21, 2010.
Appeal of Patti Murnane, Impressions Inc., to a Certificate of Occupancy Deficiency List for
property at 10�0 Westgate Drive.
Appellant Patti Murnane (1050 Westgate Drive) appeared.
Mr. Urmann stated that item being appealed concerned protective shields installed above the
printing presses which obstructed the sprinklers.
Ms. Murnane provided photographs. She said they had the shields for 20 years and it had never
been an issue before in fire or insurance inspections. She said the printing equipment was worth a
combined total of $3 million and was not explosive or flammable. Paper and chemicals were stored
away from the machines and not under the shields, and every machine had a fire extinguisher. She
said the machines required a two-person crew and were powered down when the crew was not
present. Ms. Moermond and Ms. Murnane reviewed the photographs, Ms. Murnane described the
size and configuration of the shields.
Ms. Moermond asked how long they had the printers. Ms. Murnane responded that they had
printers of that size for 20 years. She said they had been upgraded during that time but the size had
not changed.
Ms. Moermond recommended granting a variance for the existing protective shields over the
printing presses.
Appeal of Jeffrey Wittmann, Americraft Carton, to a Certificate of Occupancy Deficiency
List for property at 403 Fillmore Avenue.
Appellant 7eff Wittmann (14739 Chicago Avenue, Burnsville, MN 5530b) and Todd Butcher
(10200 City Walk Drive, Woodbury, MN 55129) appeared.
Mr. Urmann stated that the sprinkler system was inadequate for the hazard level of the materials
being stored. The issue had been called out three times in the past, and Fire was now asking for
installation of an adequate sprinkler system rather than removal of the materials. He said the
problem had been abated in the past, but had been present again at subsequent inspections.
Mr. Wittmann said he and Mr. Butcher were new to the building and didn't know about previous
inspections. He said he installed new racking three weeks prior to the inspection and didn't know
what had been there in the past. The finished goods had been removed, and the corrugated boxes
had been organized onto rack storage. Ms. Moermond asked whether they were new owners. Mr.
Wittmann said they were new managers.
Ms. Moermond asked for assurance that business practices were being changed given that the
owners had allowed the situation to persist in the past. Mr. Butcher said they were finding that the
previous management had not followed through on things. They were working towards coming into
compliance with the orders and would stay in compliance.
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Mr. Urmann said the storage was becoming more organized but the sprinkler system still needed to
be adequate. He said rack storage presented more of a fire danger than stacked storage. He
described the type of sprinkler that was required for rack storage.
Mr. Wittmann said Inspector Neis had only recommended that there be no more than 36 inches
between the sprinkler and the top area of storage. Mr. Urmann stated that the orders and his own
conversation with Inspector Neis didn't reflect that.
Ms. Moermond read from the appeal that Mr. Wittmann was asking for an extension to June 30 to
come into compliance. Mr. Wittmann said a copy of the inspection report had been provided to the
sprinkler engineer but the engineer had not reported back yet. He said they were being asked to
install sgrinkler heads in azeas where there hadn't been any for 20 yeazs and they were witling to
comply, but needed more time.
Mr. Urmann said a written plan from a licensed contractor or engineer could be submitted by the
deadline and more time would be provided to have the wark completed.
Ms Moermond recommended granting 30 days for submitting a written plan from a sprinkler
system contractor and an additiona160 days for bringing the sprinkler system into compliance.
On May 25, 2010, Ms. Moermond reviewed the written plan provided by the property owner and
based on the documentation, recommended granting an extension to August 1, 2010 to install the
new spiinkler system.
4. Appeal of Andrew and Sylvia Oxenham to the denial of a building permit to replace egress
windows for property at 1496 Chelmsford Street.
Mr. Urmann stated that the openable dimensions of the window being appealed were 15 inches high
by 19 inches wide and the glazed area was less than the required 5 feet.
Mr. Oxenham stated that they were replacing the existing window with one of the exact same size
and type and none of the conh�actors they had gotten quotes from had mentioned the size as an
issue. It appeazed to be an issue only in St. Paul and even the information printed on the building
permit stated that a window couid be replaced by one of the same size and type, which was an
explicit exception to the egress rule. The exemption had been overruled since they obtained their
permit but contractors apparently hadn't been informed in an appropriate manner. He said the
windows flipped out for cleaning; he provided photographs. They couldn't replace the window
with a larger one because of the roofline and the only other alternative was a crank-out window. He
said they had small children and expressed concern about the possibility falling out a crank-out
window. Changing the style of the windows would also cause them to lose the uniformity of the
look of the house. The existing window could be flipped out more quickly than a crank-out window
could be opened. He described the procedure for removing the window.
Ms. Moermond asked for a copy of the language on the permit; Mr. Oxenham provided a copy.
Mr. Urmann stated that a casement window in the existing opening would meet code, and a screen
would address the safety concerns.
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Ms. Moermond stated that the language on the permit wasn't suaightforward and she would like
time to think about her decision.
On May 5, Ms. Moermond reviewed the appeal and recommended granting a 9-inch variance on the
openable height and a 1-inch variance on the openable width of four replacement egress bedroom
windows.
Appeal of Window World to the denial of a building permit to replace egress windows for
property at 697 Hovt Avenue East.
Appellant Esther Dahl (2211 11 ` Avenue E., N. St. Paul, MN 55109) appeared.
Ms. Dahl stated that Window World would no longer be offering double-hung windows as an
option for replacement bedroom egress windows. She said the window being appealed was to
replace a double-hung window, and the property owner did not want to change the style.
Ms. Moermond asked whether there were photos of the house or windows. Ms. Dahl said there
were not.
Ms. Moermond reviewed the dimensions and said there was no extra width to accommodate the
shortfall in height therefore, she recommended denying the appeal.
6. Appeal of Sharon Gellert to a Certificate of Occupancy Deficiency List for property at 1651
Marvland Avenue East.
Appellant Sharon Gellert and Dennis Gellert (8427 Chicago Avenue S., Bloomington, MN 55420)
appeared.
Mr. Urmann stated that it appeared Items 14 and 15 were being appealed; Item 14 was for a gravel
driveway that was not being maintained and Item I S was for egress windows.
Ms. Moermond reviewed the orders and said she was comfortable granting a 2-inch variance on the
openable height of the bedroom egress windows on the first and second floors. 5he asked about the
driveway.
Ms. Gellert stated that the inspector told her a gravel surface might be okay because the driveway
didn't go to an alley. She said the driveway was currently part gravel and part paved. Ms.
Moermond asked Ms. Gellert what she wanted to do with the driveway. Ms. Gellert said they were
hoping it could be gravel rather than paved. She said the inspector hadn't specified whether the
whole driveway needed to be done or just the low area filled in.
Ms. Moermond asked Ms. Gellert whether a contractor had looked at the driveway. Ms. Gellert
said they were working on the other items and hadn't consulted a contractor yet.
Ms. Moermond noted that the driveway was gravel and fed into a paved street; she said she needed
time to research the maintenance requirement as to what type of material could be used on the
driveway and whether it needed to be repaved or repaired. Her decision on the driveway was
forthcoming.
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On May 25, 2010, Ms. Moermond reviewed the aerial photos of the driveway submitted by the
appellant and recommended denying the appeal. The driveway will need to go through the site plan
review process for approval and that the property owner can continue to use Class 5 but will need to
put new Class 5 in because of the bad condition only if the driveway "footprinY' is equal or less than
the new guidelines. She also recommended granting a 2-inch variance on the openable height of the
bedroom egress windows on the first and second floors.
7. Appeal of Jeffrey DeLisle to a Certificate of Occupancy Deficiency List for property at 1236
Seventh Street East.
Appellant Jeffrey DeLisle appeared.
Ms. Moermond reviewed the items being appealed. She asked for a staff report on Item 1 relating
to a commercial space being used as residential.
Ms. Shaff stated that the property was a mixed commercial building with two commercial and two
residential spaces. She said she had inspected on February 11, 2010 and found that both
commercial spaces were being used as residential spaces. She said nothing had been submitted to
the city to change the occupancy of the building.
Mr. DeLisle stated that he had purchased the property in 2002 and put in four kitchens and four
bathrooms assuming that all of the units might be used as residential at some time. He said
inspectors had been aware the kitchens and bathrooms were being installed, and the work was done
under permit. He had looked at the city's website and thought that residential units were permitCed.
Ms. Moermond asked far clarification of when the issue had first come up. Ms. Shaff said she had
conducted the inspection in 2008 and found that one of the main-floor commercial spaces was being
used as a rooming-type situation without adequate egress. A building permit was obtained in 2008,
and the building permit stated that the property was two residential and two commercial units. She
said Mr. DeLisle had told her he assumed it could be used for either commercial or residential and
asked why she thought he had put kitchens in.
Mr. DeLisle asked for clarification of the circumstances under which multiple uses would be
permitted and that the information he saw indicated the use was permitted. Ms. Moermond said Mr.
DeLisle was refening to pyramid zoning, but the uses at his property represented a hybrid. Ms.
Shaff said a change would need to be submitted to a building official and have a site plan review
even if it were a permitted use. Ms. Moermond noted that it had been called out under zoning. Ms.
Shaff said zoning also needed to approve a different use.
Mr. DeLisle said it had passed inspections in 2005 and 2007. He had contacted zoning staff and no
one knew what to do. Ms. Shaff said an application and siYe plan needed to be submitted.
Ms. Moermond asked Mr. DeLisle how he would like to use the building. Mr. DeLisle responded
that he would like to use them as residences with the option for using them as commercial. The two
units were vacant now which was not what the ciTy wanted. Ms. Moermond said the fire, zoning
and building codes all came into play and she would like some time to review them.
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Ms. Moermond confirmed that Ms. Shaff had been the inspector at the properiy for two inspection
cycles. Ms. Shaff xesponded that there was a note from the 2Q08 file specifying the approved usage.
Mr. DeLisle said there as a C of O for one unit from 2002.
Ms. Moermond indicated that she needed to consult with the city attomey; therefore, her decision
wasforthcoming.
After consulting with the city attomey on May 25, 2010, Ms. Moermond recommended denying the
appeal.
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RESOLUTfON
CITY OF $AINT P�4UL, MINNESOTA
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BE IT RESOLVED, that the Council of the City of Saint Paul hereby certifies and approves the April 27,
2010 decision of the Legislative Hearing Officer for Appeals of Letters, Deficiency Lists and Denial of
Building Permits to Replace Egress Windows for the following addresses:
Prouertv Appealed
1832 Nebraska Avenue East
Appellant
Terry V an Atta
Decision: Deny the appeal.
1050 Westgate Drive
Patti Murnane, Impressions Inc.
Decision: Grant a variance for the existing protective shields over the printing presses.
403 Fillmore Avenue
Jeffrey Wittmann, Americraft Carton
Decision: Grant an extension to August 1, 2010 to install the new sprinkler system.
1496 Chelmsford Street
Andrew and Sylvia Oxenham
Decision: Grant a 9-inch variance on the openable height and a 1-inch variance on the openable width of
four replacement egress bedroom windows.
697 Hoyt Avenue East
Window World
Decision: Deny the appeal.
1651 Maryland Avenue East
Sharon Gellert
Decision: Grant a 2-inch variance on the openable height of the bedroom egress windows on the first and
second floors; deny the appeal concerning the driveway which will need to go through the site plan review
for approval; the property owner can continue to use Class 5 but will need to put new Class 5 on the
condition the "footprint" is equal or less than the new guidelines.
1236 Seventh Street East
Jeffrey DeLisle
Decision: Deny the appeal.
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Action Requested:
Resolurion approvings the April 27, 2010 decision oFthe Legislative Hearing Officer for Appeals of Letters, Deficiency Lis[s and
Denial of Building Permits to Replace Egress Windows at 1832 Nebraska Avenue East, 1050 Westga[e Drive, 403 Fillmore Avenue,
1496 Chelmsford Street, 697 Hoyt Avenue East, 1651 Maryland Avenue East, and 1236 Seventh Street East.
Recommendations: Approve (A) or Reject (R): Personal Service Contracts Must Mswer the Pollowing Questions:
Planning Commission 1. Has this person/firm ever worked under a contract for this department?
CIB Committee Yes No
Civil Service Commission 2. Has this person/firm ever been a cily employee?
Yes No
3. Does this person/firtn possess a skill not normally possessed by any
current city employee?
Yes No
Explain all yes answers on separete sheet and attach to green sheet.
Initiating Problem, Issues, Opportunity (VYho, What, When, Where, Why):
Advantages If Approved:
Disativantages If Approved:
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MINUTES OF THE LEGISLATIVE HEARING OFFICER
ON APPEALS OF LETTERS, LETTERS OF DEFICIENCY,
VACANT BUILDTNG REGISTRATION NOTICES & FEES,
AND DENIAL OF BUILDING PERMITS
Tuesday, April 27, 2010
Room 330 City Hall, 15 Kellogg Blvd. West
Mazcia Moermond, Legislative Hearing Officer
The hearing was called to order at 1:3� p.m.
STAFF PRESENT: Mike Urmann, Department of Safety and Inspections (DSI) — Fire; Leanna
Shaff, DSI — Fire; Matt Domfeld, DSI — Code Enforcement; Harold Robinson, DSI — Code
Enforcement; Mai Vang, City Council Offices
Appeal of Terry Van Atta to a Certificate of Occupancy Deficiency LisY for property at 1832
Nebraska Avenue East.
Appellant Terry Van Atta (964 250` Avenue, Luck, WI 54853) appeared.
Mr. Urmann stated that several items were being appealed and asked whether they could be
addressed point by point. Mr. Van Atta said some of the issues had been addressed since the appeal
was filed.
Mr. Urmann said the first item being appealed was the downstairs door frame. He said he spoke
with the inspector who had said the door was not weather tight. Mr. V an Atta said it hadn't been
clear from the order and he had tried to reach the inspector on several occasions for clarification.
The inspector refused to respond to his phone calls and told him that any problems should be
addressed through the appeals process. Ms. Moermond said they would discuss the building issues
first and then address concerns related to phone calls and inspector behavior.
Mr. Van Atta said the next item he was appealing was also vague in that it did not specify where the
painting was required. Mr. Urmann responded that his understanding of the order was that painting
was required throughout the space. He said there was peeling and chipped paint that needed to be
scraped down and resealed and maintained in a professional workman-like conditlon. Mr. Van Atta
said painting was not needed throughout; and he would like a second opinion.
Ms. Moermond asked whether there was peeling paint. Mr. Van Atta said there was not. He said it
was a Section 8 apartment and was inspected carefully by PHA and the walls had not been cited.
Ms. Moermond asked about Item 6 related to the dryer vent. Mr. Van Atta said he had removed the
dryer from the lower unit.
Mr. Urmann stated that in Item 8, addressing plumbing fixtures, the inspector had noted that the
toilet was not secured to the floor. Mr. Van Atta said the toileY was secure when he was at the
property and he couldn't imagine his tenants would have repaired it themselves.
Ms. Moermond asked about Item 10 ordering installation of a deadbolt on the front entry door. Mr.
Van Atta said the unit had never had a deadbolt but he would install one.
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Mr. Urmann said the next item related to the porch stairs. The inspector had reported that the
guardrail was unsupported and started to move away from the stairs and there were several broken
stairs. A permit was required for the repair because it was structural and not just maintenance. Mr.
Van Atta responded ttiat staff in the permit department indicated that a permit was not required for
work that would cost less than $500. Mr. Urmann said that was true except when the work was
struchual in nature.
Ms. Moermond asked for clarification of what needed to be repaired. Mr. Urmann responded that
the inspector said the guardrail was not secure, would not hold normal body weight, and might be
dangerous structurally. Mr. Van Atta responded that it was not clear to him what needed to be
repaired. He said he would secure the railing but would like to know exactly what was required so
he did not get levied re-inspection fees.
Ms. Moermond noted that the deadline for the work was Apri128; she asked how much more time
was needed. Mr. Van Atta asked for a couple more weeks.
Ms. Moermond recommended granting an extension to May 17. She reviewed the requirement for
bringing the doorframe into compliance. Mr. Van Atta said he wanted some assurance that weather
stripping was what the inspector required.
Mr. Urmann said it was standard practice to have a responsible party accompany the inspector
during inspections; he asked Mr. Van Atta who had met with the inspector. Mr. Van Atta stated
that he hadn't received an appointment letter and that the inspector had called to inform him he was
going to the property to investigate a report. He said the inspector had gained access at that time
and had told the tenants he could access the property any time he wanted. He said he asked the
inspector for a copy of the statute allowing access but hadn't gotten a response.
Ms. Moermond reviewed the deficiency list Ms. Shaff noted that there was a referral letter dated
April 1 about a business being run out of the garage. She said Inspector Thomas had gone to the
property to investigate that complaint and it was standard procedure for an inspector following up
on a complaint to conduct a full inspection if the property had never had one or was due to have
one.
Ms. Moermond asked Mr. Van Atta to elaborate on what he said in the appeal about the inspector
going through the tenants' personal items. Mr. Van Atta said the tenants told him the inspector had
searched tool boxes and jazs of nuts and bolts, and when asked, the inspector said he was looking
for something illegal and his upstairs tenant would testify to that. Ms. Moermond asked for the
tenanYs contact information and said the tenant could submit something in writing. She said she
could not conduct an investigation into the matter but could make a refenal. She reviewed the
items and deadlines. She said the guardrail could be repaired without a permit; if it was not in
compliance at the reinspection, a permit would be required to complete the repair. She asked that
the reinspection be conducted by a supervisor.
On May 25, 2010, Ms. Moermond reviewed the email sent by Mr. V an Atta and his statement from
the Apri127 hearing. She understood his concern about experiencing potentially a"retaliatory"
inspection; however, she needed more specific information from the tenant(s) to refer this for
further invesrigaYion. With respect to the items listed in the April 6, 2010 Deficiency List, an
extension was granted at the April 27 Legislative Hearing with a compiiance of May 17, 2010. A
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follow-up inspection was conducted which found that many of the items on the April 6, 2010 set of
orders had not been addressed. Based on this information, Ms. Moermond denied the appeal as fire
inspection staff established a compliance date of June 21, 2010.
2. Appeal of Patti Mumane, Impressions Inc, to a Certificate of Occupancy Deficiency List for
property at 1050 West�ate Drive.
Appellant Patti Murnane (1050 Westgate Drive) appeared.
Mr. Urmann stated that item being appealed concerned protective shields installed above the
printing presses which obstructed the sprinklers.
Ms. Murnane provided photographs. She said they had the shields for 20 yeazs and it had never
been an issue before in fire or insurance inspections. She said the printing equipment was worth a
combined total of $3 million and was not explosive or flammable. Paper and chemicals were stored
away from the machines and not under the shields, and every machine had a fire extinguisher. She
said the machines required a two-person crew and were powered down when the crew was not
present. Ms. Moermond and Ms. Murnane reviewed the photographs; Ms. Mumane described the
size and configuration of the shields.
Ms. Moermond asked how long they had the printers. Ms. Murnane responded that they had
printers of that size for 20 years. She said they had been upgraded during that time but the size had
not changed.
Ms. Moermond recommended granting a variance for the existing protective shields over the
printing presses.
3. Appeal of Jeffrey Wittmann, Americraft Carton, to a Certificate of Occupancy Deficiency
List for property at 403 Fillmore Avenue.
Appellant Jeff WiYtmann (14739 Chicago Avenue, Burnsville, MN 55306) and Todd Butcher
(10200 City VJalk Drive, Woodbury, MN 55129) appeared.
Mr. Urmann stated that Yhe sprinkler system was inadequate for the hazard level of the materials
being stored. The issue had been called out three times in the past, and Fire was now asking for
installation of an adequate spTinkler system rather than removal of the materials. He said the
problem had been abated in the past, but had been present again at subsequent inspections.
Mr. Wittmann said he and Mr. Butcher were new to the building and didn't know about previous
inspections. He said he installed new racking three weeks prior to the inspection and didn't know
what had been there in the past. The finished goods had been removed, and the corrugated boxes
had been organized onto rack storage. Ms. Moermond asked whether they were new owners. Mr.
Wittmann said they were new managers.
Ms. Moermond asked for assurance that business practices were being changed given that the
owners had allowed the situation to persist in the past. Mr. Butcher said they were finding that the
previous management had not followed through on things. They were working towards coming into
compliance with the orders and would stay in compliance.
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Mr. Urmann said the storage was becoming more organized but the sprinkler system still needed to
be adequate. He said rack storage presented more of a fire danger than stacked storage. He
described the type of sprinkler that was required for rack storage.
Mr. Wittmann said Inspector Neis had only recommended that there be no more than 36 inches
between the sprinkler and the top area of storage. Mr. Urmann stated that the orders and his own
conversation with Inspector Neis didn't reflect that.
Ms. Moermond read from the appeal that Mr. Wittmann was asking for an extension to June 30 to
come into compliance. Mr. Wittmann said a copy of the inspection report had been provided to the
sprinkler engineer but the engineer had not reported back yet. He said they were being asked to
install sprinkler heads in azeas where there hadn't been any for 20 years and they were willing to
comply, but needed more time.
Mr. Urmann said a written plan from a licensed contractor or engineer could be submitted by the
deadline and more time would be provided to have the work completed.
Ms Moermond recommended granting 30 days for submitting a written plan from a sprinkler
system contractor and an additiona160 days for bringing the sprinkler system into compliance.
On May 25, 2010, Ms. Moermond reviewed the written plan provided by the property owner and
based on the documentation, recommended granting an extension to August 1, 2010 to install the
new sprinkler system.
4. Appeal of Andrew and Sylvia Oxenham to the denial of a building permit to replace egress
windows for property at 1496 Chelmsford Street.
Mr. Urmann stated that the openable dimensions of the window being appealed were 15 inches high
by 19 inches wide and the glazed area was less than the required 5 feet.
Mr. Oxenham stated that they were replacing the existing window with one of the exact same size
and type and none of the contractors they had gotten quotes from had mentioned the size as an
issue. It appeared to be an issue only in St. Paul and even the information printed on the building
permit stated that a window could be replaced by one of the same size and type, which was an
explicit exception to the egress rule. The exemption had been overruled since they obtained their
permit but contractors apparently hadn't been informed in an appropriate manner. He said the
windows flipped out for cleaning; he provided photographs. They couldn't replace the window
with a lazger one because of the roofline and the only other altemative was a crank-out window. He
said they had small children and expressed concern about the possibility falling out a crank-out
window. Changing the style of the windows would also cause them to lose the uniformity of the
look of the house. The existing window could be flipped out more quickly than a crank-out window
could be opened. He described the procedure for removing the window.
Ms. Moermond asked For a copy of the language on the permit; Mr. Oxenham provided a copy.
Mr. Urmann stated that a casement window in the existing opening would meet code, and a screen
would address the safety concerns.
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Ms. Moermond stated that the language on the permit wasn't straightforward and she would like
time to think about her decision.
On May 5, Ms. Moermond reviewed the appeal and recommended granting a 9-inch variance on the
openable height and a 1-inch variance on the openable width of four replacement egress bedroom
windows.
Appeal of Window World to the denial of a building permit to replace egress windows for
property at 697 Hovt Avenue East.
Appellant Esther Dahl (2211 ll` Avenue E., N. St. Paul, MN 55109) appeared.
Ms. Dahl stated that Window Warld would no longer be offering double-hung windows as an
option for replacement bedroom egress windows. She said the window being appealed was to
replace a double-hung window, and the property owner did not want to change the style.
Ms. Moermond asked whether there were photos of the house or windows. Ms. Dahl said there
were not.
Ms. Moermond reviewed the dimensions and said there was no extra width to accommodate the
shortfall in height; therefore, she recommended denying the appeal.
6. Appeal of Sharon Gellert to a Certificate of Occupancy Deficiency List for property at 1 b51
Marvland Avenue East.
Appellant Sharon Gellert and Dennis Gellert (8427 Chicago Avenue S., Bloomington, MN 55420)
appeared.
Mr. Urmann stated that it appeared Items 14 and I S were being appealed; Item 14 was for a gravel
driveway that was not being maintained and Item I S was for egress windows.
Ms. Moermond reviewed the orders and said she was comfortable granting a 2-inch variance on the
openable height of the bedroom egress windows on the first and second floors. She asked about the
driveway.
Ms. Gellert stated that the inspector told her a gravel surface might be okay because the driveway
didn't go to an alley. She said the driveway was currently part gravel and part paved. Ms.
Moermond asked Ms. Gellert what she wanted to do with the driveway. Ms. Gellert said they were
hoping it could be gravel rather than paved. She said the inspector hadn't specified whether the
whole driveway needed to be done or just the low area filled in.
Ms. Moermond asked Ms. Gellert whether a contractor had looked at the driveway. Ms. Gellert
said they were warking on the other items and hadn't consulted a contractor yet.
Ms. Moermond noted that the driveway was gravel and fed into a paved street; she said she needed
time to reseazch the maintenance requirement as to what type of material could be used on the
driveway and whether it needed to be repaved or repaired. Her decision on the driveway was
forthcoming.
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On May 25, 2010, Ms. Moermond reviewed the aerial photos of the driveway submitted by the
appellant and recommended denying the appeal. The driveway will need to go through the site plan
review process for approval and that the property owner can continue to use Class 5 but will need to
put new Class 5 in because of the bad condition only if the driveway "footprinY' is equal or less than
the new guidelines. She also recommended granting a 2-inch variance on the openable height of the
bedroom egress windows on the first and second floors.
Appeal of Jeffrey DeLisle to a Certificate of Occupancy Deficiency List for property at 1236
Seventh Street East.
Appellant Jeffrey DeLisle appeazed.
Ms. Moermond reviewed the items being appealed. She asked for a staff report on Item 1 relating
to a commercial space being used as residential.
Ms. Shaff stated that the property was a mixed commercial building with two commercial and two
residential spaces. She said she had inspected on February 11, 2010 and found that both
commercial spaces were being used as residential spaces. She said nothing had been submitted to
the city to change the occupancy of the building.
Mr. DeLisle stated that he had purchased the property in 2002 and put in four kitchens and four
bathrooms assuming that all of the units might be used as residential at some time. He said
inspectors had been aware the kitchens and bathrooms were being installed, and the work was done
under permit. He had looked at the city's website and thought that residential units were permitted.
Ms. Moermond asked for clarification of when the issue had first come up. Ms. Shaff said she had
conducted the inspection in 2008 and found that one o£ the main-floor commercial spaces was being
used as a rooming-type situation without adequate egress. A building permit was obtained in 2008,
and the building permit stated that the properry was two residential and two commercial units. She
said Mr. DeLisle had told her he assumed it could be used for either commercial or residential and
asked why she thought he had put kitchens in.
Mr. DeLisle asked for clazification of the circumstances under which multiple uses would be
permitted and that the information he saw indicated the use was permitted. Ms. Moermond said Mr.
DeLisle was referring to pyramid zoning, but the uses at his property represented a hybrid. Ms.
Shaff said a change would need to be submitted to a building official and have a site plan review
even if it were a permitted use. Ms. Moermond noted that it had been called out under zoning. Ms.
Shaff said zoning also needed to approve a different use.
Mr. DeLisle said it had passed inspections in 2005 and 2007. He had contacted zoning staff and no
one knew what to do. Ms. Shaff said an application and site plan needed to be submitted.
Ms. Moermond asked Mr. DeLisle how he would like to use the building. Mr. DeLisle responded
that he would like to use them as residences with the option for using them as commercial. The two
units were vacant now which was not what the city wanted. Ms. Moermond said the fire, zoning
and building codes all came into play and she would like some time to review them.
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Ms. Moermond confirmed that Ms. Shaff had been the inspector at the property for two inspection
cycles. Ms. Shaff responded that there was a note from the 2008 file specifying the approved usage.
Mr. DeLisle said there as a C of O for one unit from 2002.
Ms. Moermond indicated that she needed to consult with the city attomey; therefore, her decision
was forthcoming.
Afrer consulting with the city attorney on May 25, 2010, Ms. Moermond recoznmended denying the
appeal.