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RESOLUTION
SAINT PAUL, MINNES07A
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BE IT RESOLVED, that the Council of the City of 5aint Paul hereby certifies and approves the
November 3, 2009 decision of the Legislative Heazing Officer for Appeal to Letter of Certificate of
Occupancy Deficiency List for the following address:
PYOpeI'ty Appealed
971 Case Avenue
Decision: Crrant the appeal.
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Appellant
Ahti Hujanen
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Resolurion approving [he decision of the Legista[ive Hearing Officer on Appeal of a Certificate of Occupancy Deficiency Lis[ for
property at 971 Case Avenue.
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November 3, 2009 Property Code Minutes Page 9
9. Appeal of Ahti Hujanen to a Certificate of Occupancy Deficiency List for property at 971
Case Avenue. (Rescheduled from Oct. 6 and Oct. 27)
Appellants Ahti and Hillary Hujanen (7545 43 Street N., Oakdale, MN 55128) appeared.
Ms. Shaff gave a staff report. She stated that Inspector Thomas had conducted an inspection for the
Fire C of O on September 14 and reported 19 deficiencies, a11 of which were being appealed.
Mr. Hujanen stated that they had been through one inspection and appeal. There had been 19 new
items at the re-inspection and they were frustrated at having to go through the process twice.
Ms. Moermond asked Ms. Shaff how these circumstance would come about. Mr. Hujanen said
Inspector Thomas indicated that a complete inspecrion was not done the first time because they had
not been present, but they had not been notified of the inspection. Ms. Shaff asked whether the
initial inspection had been a referral. Ms. Hujanen said that as far as they were able to determine,
the initial inspection was from a PHA referraL Ms. Shaff said that typically the PHA referral would
be addressed first and a full C of O inspection conducted when there was more time.
Ms. Moermond asked about Item 1, dealing with gas cans in the basement. Ms. Hujanen said the
gas cans had been removed while the inspector was present and shouldn't have been listed as a
deficiency. Ms. Shaff said the item typically would be left on the report, especially in the case of
something like a gas can, and that the report did note that it had been taken caze of at the time of the
inspection.
Ms. Hujanen addressed the second item, dealing with downstairs windows. She said no
measurements had been given in the inspector's report and that they had measured the windows.
She said the dimensions of the window in bedroom 1 were 29 inches wide by 30 inches high, in
bedroom 2 were 25 inches wide by 30 inches high, and in bedroom 3 were 29 inches wide by 30
inches high. Mr. Hujanen said the dimensions were for the openable space.
Ms. Moermond noted that the windows had been cited with no specifics. Ms. Shaff asked whether
the windows had been sticking. Mr. Hujanen said he wasn't sure. Ms. Moermond said she would
grant the appeal on that item.
Mr. Hujanen addressed Item 3, ordering that they caulk azound the base of the toilet. He said
caulking azound the toilet was not standard practice. Ms. Shaff said it was standazd practice; she
read the applicable section of the code. Mr. Hujanen said that caulking the base of the toilet would
trap any water leaking through the wax ring and potentially cause the wood to rot. Ms. Shaff said
she consulted with the senior plumbing inspector and that caulking azound the toilet was required.
Ms. Hujanen said Items 4 and 5 had been taken care of at the time of the inspection. She said she
wasn't sure which screens were being referred to in Item 6. Mr. Hujanen said that one screen had
been askew but was now fixed.
Ms. Hujanen said she wasn't sure about Items 7 and 8 dealing with window locks and window
sashes. Ms. Shaff asked whether all of the windows locked. Ms. Hujanen said they did. She said
Item 8 may have been refemng to the same window cited in Item 6 and that it had been corrected.
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Mr. Hujanen said he didn't feel the stairway cited in Item 10 was unsafe. He aiso questioned that
the work would require a permit. Ms. Shaff referred to notes from the building inspector for the
azea affirming that the work needed to be done and that it needed to be done under permit. Mr. and
Ms. Hujanen reviewed the inspector's photographs showing rotted wood underneath the stairs. Mr.
Hujanen said the stairs were stable and provided photographs and measurements of the steps
indicating that the run, rise and railing were a11 correct. He provided a photograph showing Ms.
Huj anen standing on one foot on the stairs indicating that they could support 100 pounds per square
foot.
Ms. Moermond noted that one of the codes cited had to do with insect and rodent infestation. Ms.
Shaff said the first code citation was correct and the second was an error due to an Amanda issue.
Ms. Moermond said she would grant the appeal on the insect and rodent infestation.
Ms. Moermond asked about Item 11 dealing with the rear stairway. Ms. Hujanen said the situation
was the same as with Item 10. Ms. Moermond asked what kinds of things the inspector would be
looking for. Ms. Shaff said the inspector would look for rotted wood, protruding nails and whether
the stairs were firmly attached to the structure. She asked whether the appellants had accompanied
the inspector. Ms. Hujanen responded that she had accompanied the inspector and he had pointed
out the rotting wood but had not stepped on the stairs. Mr. Hujanen said a visual inspection was not
enough.
Ms. Hujanen said Item 15 did not give the measurements of the noncompliant door hazdware. Ms.
Shaff noted that the inspector's report did specify what was required so it could be assumed that the
existing hardware was not within the required range.
Ms. Moermond asked about Item 16. Ms. Hujanen stated that from what she could ascertain, the
wood exterior surfaces were free from holes and deterioration. She said it was painted and well-
maintained. Mr. Hujanen said that the last time they checked, there was cement-board siding and
they had replaced some tiles a year ago and hadn't seen anything of concem at that time. Ms.
Hujanen said they painted a good portion of it the previous spring per PHA requirements. She said
she had been with the inspector and he had not pointed out any specific areas.
Ms. Moermond asked about Item 17 pertaining to foundation elements. Mr. Hujanen said the
previous owners had put a coating on the foundation and it was flaking off but it was not a problem
with the foundation itsel£ Ms. Hujanen said the foundation was very solid. She said the inspector
had pointed out cosmetic cracks in the cement surface and said they were foundation issues. Mr.
Hujanen said they could remove the loose, cosmetic material.
Ms. Moermond said Item 18 dealing with the eves appeazed to be a"heads up." Ms. Hujanen said
the statute referenced talked about the roof and that the roof was fine.
Ms. Moermond asked Mr. Hujanen to provide some larger photographs and said she would like
some better color photographs from staf£ She acknowledged the appellants' frustration but said
that appealing every item on the deficiency list was counterproductive.
Mr. Hujanen said the bottom line was that they fixed the windows and intended to continue to
invest in the property but would like to wait until next year on the additional items.
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Ms. Moermond said she wanted to review the matter fiurther and asked the appellants to submit a
work plan in addition to new photographs. She said she was not comfortable accepting the 100
pounds per square foot measurement because other factors could cause the stairs to fail at any time.
On May 11, 2010, Ms. Moermond stated that she recommended granting the appeal because the
recommendation was not reviewed in a timely manner. However, the Department may re-issue
orders as they see fit.