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1 BE IT RE50LVED, that the Council of the City of Saint Paul hereby certifies and approves the March 9,
2 2010 decision of the Legislative Hearing Officer for Appeals to Letters, Certificate of Occupancy
3 Deficiency Lists, and Denial of Building Permits to Replace Egress Windows for the following addresses:
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5 Propertv Anpealed Appellant
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7 816 Manomin Avenue Renewal by Anderson
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9 Decision: Deny the appeal.
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11 1167 Grand Avenue Stephen Willwerscheid, Willwerscheid & Sons
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13 Decisian: Grant a 2-inch variance on the openable width of the egress window measuring 30 inches high
14 by 18 inches wide. A step unit with a minimum of two steps must be permanently affixed to address sill
15 height in Bedroom 2.
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17 1083 Albemarle Street Antonio Lopez
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19 Decision: Deny the variance request and grant an extension to July 31, 2010 to provide proper egress or
20 discontinue the use of Unit 1, master bedroom, as a sleeping room.
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22 1984 Hyacintb Avenue East Joe Steinmous
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24 Decision: Deny the appeal.
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26 1836 Mechanic Avenue East Steven and Ana Lee
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28 Decision: Grant an 8-inch variance on the openable height of one replacement window with openable
29 dimensions of 16.25 inches high by 34.25 inches wide. Grant a 6-inch variance on the openable height of
30 the four replacement egress windows with openable dimensions of 16.25 inches high by 26.25 inches wide
31 on the condition the appellant is able to remove the stops to a11ow two more inches in openable height.
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33 647 Van Buren Avenue Tim Reis
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35 Decision: Deny the appeal.
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Resolution approving the March 9, 2010 decisions of the Legislative Hearing Officer for Appeals to Letters, Certificate of
Occupancy Deficiency Lists, and Denial of Building Permits [o Replace Egress Windows for the following: 816 Manomin Ave,
1167 Grand Ave, 1083 Albemarle St, 1984 Hyacinth Ave E, 1836 Mechanic Ave E, and 647 Van Buren Ave.
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MINUTES OF THE LEGISLATNE HEARING OFFICER
ON APPEALS OF LETTERS OF DEFICIENCY,
VACANT BUILDING REGISTRATION NOTICES & FEES,
AND DENIAL OF BUILDING PERMITS
Tuesday, March 9, 2010
Room 330 City Hall, 15 Kellogg Blvd. West
Marcia Moermond, Legislative Hearing Officer
The hearing was called to order at 1:35 p.m.
STAFF PRESENT: Mike Urmann, Deparhnent of Safety and Inspections (DSI) — Fire; Matt
Dornfeld, DSI — Code Enforcement; Steve Ubl, DSI — Building Inspections; Mai Vang, City
Cauncil Offices
Appeal of Renewal by Anderson to the denial of building permit to replace egress windows
for property at 816 Manomin Avenue.
Appellant Robert Snyder (1920 County Road C West, Roseville, MN SS ll3) appeared.
Inspector Urmann stated that the appeal involved a new installation of windows and had come
through Building Inspections. He read from the inspector's report that the openable dimensions of
the window were 15 inches high by 27 inches wide.
Ms. Moermond stated that for every inch in shortfall she looked for an extra inch in the other
direction and for windows with a height shortfall approaching 8 inehes, she looked for two
additional inches in width for every inch in height shortfall. She said she had never granted a
variance for a window with less than a 16-inch openable height.
Mr. Snyder said it was a complex issue for window replacement companies trying to work within
state and local guidelines, and with customers who generally liked to keep the same window style.
He stated that if they couldn't be accommodating they risked losing customers to contractors that
didn't pull permits.
Ms. Moermond asked Mr. Snyder whether he was familiar with the mock double-hung windows.
Mr. Snyder said the windows had a horizontal piece glued on and were not always desirable to the
homeowner.
Ms. Moermond asked whether there was a possibility to increase the openable height of the window
being installed.
Mr. Snyder said there was some room to lower it but widening it was not an option. He said it was
a typical story-and-a-half with a window at each end of the upper level.
Ms. Moermond recommended denying the appeal.
Mr. Snyder said he would explore other options with the existing rough opening and submit
something if he was successful in getting a larger openable area. Ms. Mcermond said she would
recommend that the appeal fee be waived if something else needed to be submitted for a variance.
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2. Appeal of Stephen Willwerscheid, J.A. Willwerscheid & Sons, to a Certificate of
Occupancy Deficiency List for property at ll 67 Grand Avenue. (Rescheduled from 312)
Appellant Steve Willwerscheid appeared.
Mr. Urmann gave a staff report. He said there were window and sill height issues in Bedrooms 1
and 2. The inspector's notes indicated that Bedroom 1 was used as a living room/sitting room and
the window did not open and did not meet the minimum size requirements. Bedroom Z had an
egress window with openable dimensions of 30 inches by 18 inches. Mr. Urmann could not find the
sill height measurement in the report. Mr. Willwerscheid said it was 54 inches.
Ms. Moermond said she did not see where it said the window wouldn't open. Mr. Urmann said it
was on the letter sent February 23. Ms. Moermond and Mr. Urmann reviewed the letters and
orders.
Mr. Willwerscheid provided photographs showing the window with the 54 inch sill height. He said
the building was brick and Chat section had been built in the early 1960s, and it would be difficult to
move the window down. Ms. Moermond asked whether he could install a step. Mr. Willwerscheid
said there was baseboard heat and he anticipated he'd have problems in the future with inspectors
citing a step installed over a radiator. Ms. Moermond asked for a description of the heat registers.
Mr. Willwerscheid said the registers were covered and about six inches high.
Mr. Ubl described the building departmenYs requirements for requesting and installing a sYep unit to
address sill height. He said there were design options for accommodating baseboard heat and that a
permit was required.
Mr. Willlerscheid asked what specifications there would be for the steps and reiterated his concerns
about a potential citation for covering the heat registers. He said he felt the requirement opened a
can of worms in a building that had been there since 1942. He said the room had been a bedroom
since the SOs and he didn't understand how the code could require that the building be altered after
so many years. He said it was not a fire or egress danger. Ms. Moermond said there was new
enforcement of an old code.
Ms. Moermond asked whether he thought he could install something that would be high enough
above the radiator. Mr. Willwerscheid said he could install a bracket and hang a shelf above the
window. He reiterated his concerns about building a step to be a safe distance from the radiator
while still meeting run and rise requirements. Mr. Ubl said the design did not have to be wood or
solid and could be vented or have slats.
Ms. Moermond asked about the window size issue.
Mr. Willwerscheid referred to the letter dated February 23 and said the window in Bedroom 2 was
strictly a sill height issue. He provided a photograph of the window in Bedroom 1. He said it was
openable, and he provided dimensions.
Ms. Moermond asked how the window opened. Mr. Willwerscheid said they were slider windows.
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Ms. Moermond asked whether the inspectar had measured the openable space. Mr. Urmann said
the window in Bedroom 1 had been unopenable at the inspection, and in Bedroom 2 had openable
dimensions of 30 inches high by 18 inches wide. He said those dimensions were from the letter
dated February 23.
Ms. Moexmond said she had letters dated January 25 and February 22. Mr. Urmann said the most
recent letter was dated February 23 and had been sent to the property management, and the letter
prior to that did not have measurements. Ms. Moermond said two prior letters did not have
measurements; she asked why there had been so many letters. Mr. Urmann said information had
probably been updated between February 22 and 23, and he wasn't sure about January 25. Mr.
Willwerscheid said January 25 was the first letter and the inspector had come back out to re-inspect.
Ms. Moermond also noted that the appeal was filed on February 19 but there was a reinspection on
the 22 She said there should have been a stay of enforcement during the appeal period. Mr.
Urmann said it was his understanding that the stay applied only to those orders being appealed. Ms.
Moermond said that was not correct.
Ms. Moermond noted the discrepancy between the openable height measurements provided on the
appeal form and those on the inspection report. Mr. Willwerscheid said there was a stop that
prevented the window from opening fully and the measurements he had provided were of the
smaller openable space.
Ms. Moermond recommended granting a 2-inch variance on the openable width of the egress
window measuring 30 inches high by 18 inches wide. She said the windows in both rooms must
open easily. A step unit with a minimum of two steps must be permanently affixed to address sill
height in Bedraom 2. Mr. Ubl reviewed the run and rise requirements far the step.
Appeal of Antonio Lopez to a Certificate of Occupancy Deficiency List for property at 1083
Albemarle Street.
Appellant Tony Lopez (6729 Partridge Place, Lino lakes, MN 55014) appeared.
Mr. Urmann gave a staff report. He said Unit One had a master bedroom with a large unopenable
pictwe window, French doors leading to the rest of the unit, and a door leading to the building's
entryway. He stated that the openable dimensions of the bedroom window in Unit Two were 22
incbes high by 24 inches wide.
Mr. Lopez provided photographs of both bedrooms. Ms. Moermond granted a 2-inch variance on
the openable height of the egress window in the Unit 2 second floor child's bedroom.
Mr. Lopez reviewed the Unit 1 photographs and described the layout and location of the doars from
the master bedroom. Mr. Urmann said the door would have to lead directly to the exterior to meet
code.
Mr. Lopez said the building was built in 1906 and had a brick exterior. He stated that Unit 1 had
original single-pane windows that could be easily broken out in an emergency. Ms. Moermond
asked about the French doors. Mr. Lopez said they exited into the maan living area of the unit. He
said he understood the intent of the code and would not put his renters in a dangerous situation.
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Mr. Moersnond asked how many bedrooms were in the unit. Mr. Lopez said there were three. Ms.
Moermond confirmed with Mr. L.opez that the bedroom being appealed was a living room being
used as a bedroom and there were two additional bedrooms. Mr. Lopez said the two other
bedrooms met code.
Ms. Moermond said Mr. Lopez was going to have to propose a different solution. She asked
whether there were options with the small windows on either side on the picture window. She
asked whether they were double hung. Mr. Lopez said they were.
Ms. Moermond recommended denying the variance and granted an extension to July 31, 2010 to
provide proper egress or discontinue the use of the Unit 1 master bedroom as a sleeping room. She
said it might be possible to replace the picture window with an openable one.
Appeal of Joe Steinmous to a Certificate of Occupancy Deficiency List far property at 1984
Hyacinth Avenue East.
No one appeared. Ms. Moermond recommended denyin� the appeal.
7. Appeal of Steven and Ana Lee to a Code Compliance Inspection Report for property at 1836
Mechanic Avenue East
Appellant Steven Lee (4853 Hillvale Avenue W., Oakdale, NIl� appeared.
Mr. Ubl gave a staff report. He said the request was for a variance for an egress window with a
glazed area of 10 ft, openable dimensions of 16.25 inches high by 34.25 inches wide, and a 42-inch
sill height. Ms. Moermond noted that the building department recommended a variance and she
said she was comfortable granting one. Mr. Lee said there were four windows with different
dimensions. Mr. Ubl stated that the four additional windows had a glazed area of 8 ft, openable
dimensions of 16.25 inches high by 26.25 inches wide, and a 42-inch sill height. He said Mr.
Seeger recommended approval.
Ms. Moermond stated that the recommendation differed from past recommendations far windows of
thaY size. Mr. Ubl said that was correct.
Mr. Lee stated that the windows were new and had been installed before he had taken occupancy.
He said the building had been a Category 2 and there had been nothing in the inspection report
about the windows. He said he had checked with window companies and been told they were
egress windows because they popped out.
Ms. Moermond asked who the window company was. Mr. Lee said he talked to a couple of
window companies at the home and garden show. He stated that the inspectar had said they were
egress windows although the fire inspectors would tell him otherwise. He asked whether the size
could be grandfathered in since they wexe brand new windows.
Ms. Moermond asked Mr. Lee to describe where the windows were. Mr. Lee said it was a duplex
with a two-bedroom and a three-bedroom unit. He said each bedroom had two identical windows.
Ms. Moermond said that in the 16-inch range for openable height she looked for 34 to 36 inches in
width.
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Mr. Lee said he hadn't seen another window that would work in the existing opening. Ms.
Moermond asked Mr. Lee who had done the building rehab. Mr. Lee stated that he had. He
provided photographs. Ms. Moermond and Mr. Lee reviewed the photographs.
Ms. Moermond asked whether the windows had stops at the top. Mr. Lee said they did. Ms.
Moermond said removing the stops would add another inch in height. Mr. Lee stated that he could
increase the openable height by 2 inches by removing the stops.
Ms. Moermond stated that if the stops could be removed to a11ow two more inches in openable
height she would recommend a variance.
Ms. Moermond granted an 8-inch variance on the openable height of one replacement window with
openable dimensions of 16.25 inches high by 34.25 inches wide. Grant a 6-inch variance on the
openable height of the four replacement egress windows with openable dimensions of 16.25 inches
high by 26.25 inches wide on the condition the appellant is able to remove the stops to allow two
more inches in openable height.
Appeal of Tim Reis to a Code Compliance Inspection Report for property at 647 Van Buren
Avenue.
Appellant Tim Reis (14865 Crandall Avenue, Rosemount, MN 55068) appeazed.
Mr. LTbl read from the building inspector's report that the window being appealed had a glazed area
of 8.25 ft and openable dimensions of 44 inches high by 13.5 inches wide. He confirmed with Mr.
Reis that it was a slider window.
Ms. Moermond asked Mr. Reis whether he had a photograph. Mr. Reis said he did not.
Mr. Reis said the original window had been a crank-out window but between the lumber company
and the builder the style ended up being changed to a slider.
Ms. Moermond asked Mr. Reis whether he was the rehabber. Mr. Reis said he owned the property.
Ms. Moerxnond asked Mr. Reis whether he bought it recently. Mr. Reis said he had. Ms.
Moermond noted that Mr. Reis's name was not on the code compliance; Mr. Reis said the name was
that of the person he bought the property from.
Ms. Moermond recommended denying the appeal. She said the window would need to be brought
into compliance either by changing it out or making the existing window open to at least 16 inches
wide. She said she thought the size of the opening would accommodate a double hung window that
would meet the code.