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Green Sheet # 3100936
RESOLUTION `�
CITY,�Fj,, �AINT PAUL, MINNESOTA
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1 BE IT RESOLVED, that the Council of the City of Saint Paul hereby certifies and approves the February
2 9, 2010 decision of the Legislative Hearing Officer for Appeals of Letters, Certificate of Occupancy
3 Deficiency Lists and Denial of Building Permits to Replace Egress Windows for the following addresses:
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5 Proaertv Appealed Appellant
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7 529 Portland Avenue William Uhlenkott
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9 Decision: Deny the appeal and grant a nine-month extension to come into compliance; a step will need to
10 be permanently affixed below the window designated for egress to bring sill height into compliance.
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12 2325 Endicott Street Sandra Jacob, Warehouse Rentals LLP
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14 Decision: Grant a variance on the exposed paperback insulation, as long as there were no alterations to the
15 sprinkler system and the building use and/or ownership did not change.
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17 638 Bidwell Avenue Jeffery Kaufmann, Lampert Bxteriors
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19 Decision: Grant a variance for the three windows already installed.
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21 1428 Hoyt Avenue East Patrick Hoy, Window World
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23 Decision: Deny the appeal.
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25 896 Rose Avenue East. Robert Koehnen
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27 Decision: Deny the appeal.
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Resolution approving the February 9, 2010 decisions of the Legislative Hearing Officec for Appeals of Letters, Certificate of
Occupancy Deficiency Lists and Denia] of Building Permits to Replace Egress Windows for the following: 529 Portland Avenue,
2325 Endicott Street, 638 Bidwell Avenue, 1428 Hoy[ Avenue East, and 896 Rose Avenue East.
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MINUTES OF THE LEGISLATNE HEARING OFFICER
ON APPEALS OF LETTERS OF DEFTCIENCY,
VACANT BUILDING REGISTRATION NOTICES & FEES,
AND DENIAL OF BUILDING PERMITS
Tuesday, February 9, 2010
Room 330 City Hall, 15 Kellogg Blvd. West
Marcia Moermond, Legislative Hearing Officer
The hearing was called to order at 1:40 pm.
STAFF PRESENT: Leanna Shaff, Deparhnent of Safety and Inspections (DSI) — Fire; Ken Eggers,
DSI — Building Inspections; Steve Ubl, DSI — Building Tnspections; Amy Spong, PED — HPC; and
Mai Vang, City Council Offices
1. Appeal of William Uhlenkott to a Certificate of Occupancy Deficiency List for property at
529 Portland Avenue. (continued from Dea 22)
Appellant Bill IJhlenkott (529 Portland Avenue, St. Paul, MN 55102) appeared.
Ms. Shaff stated that the appellant was to have provided photographs showing the sill height
measurement. Mr, iJhlenkott said he contacted Ms. Moermond's office and lefr a message
requesting an agenda but had not xeceived a call back. Mai V ang pxovided a copy of the letter sent
to Mr. IJhlenkott on Januazy 29 notifying him of the appeal and asking that the photos be provided.
Ms. Moermond reviewed the photographs provided by Mr. Uhlenkott showing the type and
configuration of the three windows and listing dimensions. Ms. Moermond asked where the
windows exited to. Mr, Uhlenkott said they exited to the roof.
Ms. Moermond asked what he recalled about earlier actions by the Property Code Board of
Appeals. She referred to letter in the file regarding a permanent variance granted on November 18,
1980 allowing occupancy of the cellar unit. Mr. Uhlenkott said the variance was granted at about
the same time the windows were requared.
Ms. Moermond said the variance applied to Yhe cellar unit but not the windows, and that a different
style of window would have to be installed. She said the opening was adequate to support a
window that would meet code, and that only one code-compliant window was required in the room.
Ms. Shaff asked whether the windows faced the front of the house. Mr. iJhlenkott responded that
they were on the side.
Ms. Spong reviewed the photographs. She and Ms. Moermond discussed the type of window that
would be acceptable. Ms. Spong gave Mr. Uhlenkott an application for replacing windows on a
house in a historic district and offered to provide information about the types windows that would
meet code and satisfy HPC requirements.
Ms. Moermond stated that the current openable height of the window was 12 inches and the
openable �vidth was more than adequate. She recommended denying the appeal and granting a
February 9, 2010 Property Code Minutes , l Q �g Page 2
nine-month extension to allow time for Mx. Uhlenkott to work with the HPC and arrange financing.
Ms. Spong reiterated the need to submit an application.
Mai Vang noted that there was still an issue with sill height. Ms. Moermond said a step should be
permanently affixed below the window designated for egress to bring sill heijht into compliance.
2. Appeal of Sandra Jacob, Warehouse Rentals LLP, to a Certificate of Occupancy Deficiency
List fox property at 2325 Endicott Street.
7im McCann and Jack McCann (2380 Wycliff Street, St. Paul, MN 55114) appeared on behalf of
the appellant.
Ms. Shaff stated that Inspector Neis had conducted an inspection for the Fire C of O on December
23, 2009 and reported exposed paperface insulation throughout the building. She said that, per the
manufacturer's label, the insulation should not be left exposed. She referred to an e-mail from
Assistant Fire Marshal Owens indicating that covering the exposed insulation would require
alteration of the fire sprinkler system, and that the limited exposure of the insulation did not present
any additional hazazd beyond the wood construction of the building.
Ms. Moermond confirmed with the McCanns that they had had a conversation to that affect with
Mr. Owens. She recommended granting a variance on the exposed paperback insulation, as long as
thexe were no altexations to the sprinkler system and the building use andlar ownership did not
change.
3. Appeal of Jeffery Kaufinann, Lampert Exteriors, to the Denial of a Building Permit to
replace egress windows for property at 638 Bidwell Avenue.
Appellant Jeff Kaufinann (9220 Hudson Boulevard, Lake Elmo, MI� and Patty Scarrella, property
owner appeared.
Ms. Shaff said the appeal concerned three double-hung windows: two with openable dimensions of
1425 inches high by 28.75 inches wide, and one with openable dimensions of 17.75 inches high by
28.75 inches wide.
Ms. Moermond stated that she would recommend a variance for the window measuring 17.75
inches high by 28.75 inches wide, but not the two measuring 14.25 inches in openable height.
Mr, Kaufinann stated that they were insert windows and the largest of that style thaY would fit into
the existing opening. He said that complied with Minnesota Code but he wasn't sure whether St.
Paul code differed. He said it was his understanding that a window qualified if it was the same as
the one it replaced.
Ms. Moermond clarified that the St. Paul Code was the Minnesota Code, but the windows were
being enforced under the Fire Code. She asked whether the house was owner-occupied. Mr.
Kaufmann said it was. Ms. Moermond said the building code differentiated between owner-
occupied and rental property, but the Fire Code did not distinguish.
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Ms. Moermond asked whether installing a casement window was a possibility. Mr. Kaufinann said
it was possible but would add additional cost. Ms. Moermond asked whether the double-hung
windows had already been installed Mr. Kaufinann said they had.
Ms. Moermond asked how it had happened that the windows were installed while the appeal was
still pending. Mr. Kaufinann said there had apparently been a misunderstanding. He said both of
the windows were in the same bedroom and it was his understanding that only one window needed
to be changed. He said he had pulled a permit and had never encountered problems before when he
replaced double-hung windows with the same. Ms. Shaff noted that the permit issued was an
express permit. Ms. Moermond said the windows would probably have to be changed out.
Mr. Kaufinann asked Ms. Moermond what information she needed from him. Ms. Moermond
asked for records of permit applications. She said she would also be looking for more information
from within DSI about when the permit was applied for, why it was granted and the information
that was provided ar available to Mr. Kaufinann about expectations. Ms. 5haff read the
specificarions printed on the online copy of the express permit and said the requirements wexe quite
apparent.
Mr. Kaufinann gave Ms. Moermond a copy of his permit and said that it was not clear from the
wording on the permit whether the requirements referenced applied to the type of insert they had
installed. Ms. Moermond asked Mr. Ubl to clarify the definitions of "complete window xemova]"
and "pocket or insert." Mr. Ubl stated Yhat his understanding was that installing an insert involved
removal of the weights and sashes and installing new sashes and jams, and that full replacement
involved removal of the entire existing box. Mr. Kauftnann stated that the new windows had been
inserted into the existing frame. Ms. Shaff stated that was a pocket or insert window.
Ms. Moermond asked for a staff recommendation. Mr. Ubl stated that, based on his conversation
with the building official, the window would need to comply with current policy.
Ms. Moermond asked how the situation had ultimately been caught. Mr. Ubl responded that
Inspectar Kenyon had conducted the final inspection. He said he didn't know what had happened to
allow it to get through express permits, but that procedures had changed since then to prevent it
from happening again.
Ms. Scarrella stated that there were still two windows to be replaced. Ms. Moermond said that a
different style of window would have to be installed.
Ms. Moermond recommended granting a variance far the three windows already installed because
she didn't feel the requirements were adequately described in the permit application. She said she
hoped a code-compliant window would be put in. She said correct and complete information had
certainly been available elsewhere.
4. Appeal of Patrick Hoy, Window World, to the Denial of a Building Permit to replace egress
windows far property at 1428 Hoyt Avenue East.
No one appeared. Ms. Shaff said the permit stated clearly that the windows must meet ne�v egress
window policy. Ms. Moermond recommended that the appeal be denied.
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6. Appeal of Robert Koehnen to a Code Compliance Inspection Report for property at 896
Rose Avenue East.
Appellant Robert Koehnen (2232 107` Avenue, Baldwin, WI 54002) appeared.
Ms. Moermond explained the process to Mr. Koehnen and clarified that her role was limited to
issues involving process and timing, and not those involving the specific items on the inspection
report.
Mr. Eggers stated that he inspected the building and the conditions he found included no concrete
floor in the basement, large amounts of loose insulation against the stone foundation, and
deteriorated 2 x 4 four posts. Photographs were reviewed. Mr. Eggers continued to describe the
specific conditions found at the property: the basement and the way the loose insulation could act as
deterrent and create a condensate area; the siding and window permits had been pulled in 2006 and
2007 but there had been no final inspections; there were large amounts of building materials being
stored in the garage and crawlspace; and the biggest issue was the 2 x 4 posts for the floor system.
He also noted that the condition of the garage and said it was "out of plumb." Ms. Moermond noted
the evidence of moisture in the basement.
Mr. Koehnen stated that he purchased the house in October 2009 and that the property had been in
foreclosure. He said he had evicted the tenants and his intention was to fix the house up so his son
could reside there while attending school. He said he learned of the vacant building status after he
purchased the house when he tried to obtain permits.
Ms. Moermond asked Mr. Koehnen whether he had been provided with a Truth-in-Sale-of-Housing
report. Mr. Koehnen responded that he had not. Ms. Moermond clarified that it had been
incumbent on the seller to provide that information. Mr. Koehnen said he had been gathering
information about the property and was familiar the status and history now. He said he had filed the
appeal to buy more time, and hoped to be able do the work himself rather than hiring a licensed
contractor. He said he was a licensed boiler operator and had 20 years of building services
experience.
Mr. Eggers stated that as an owner-occupant, Mr. Koehnen could do all of the work himself except
for the plumbing. Mr. Koehnen said he was told the work had to be done by a licensed contractor.
Ms. Shaff noted that Mr. Koehnen lived in Wisconsin. Mr. Ubl said that Mr. Koehnen's son would
be living there, and he wasn't sure how that might play into the owner-occupant status_
Ms. Moermond said the house could not be considered occupied yet because of the status of the
electrical service.
Mr. Koehnen stated that the permit issued was for $25,000 and his understanding was that it did not
include pluinbing and electrical. Based on that assumption, he said he estimated the total cost to be
$50,000 to $60,000 which was more than he could afford. Mr. Eggers stated that the $25,000
Building permit was standard and included everything.
Mr. Koehnen asked whether there was any way to have the vacant building status changed from
Category 2 to Category L Ms. Moermond said the structure fit the definition of Category 2 in
having major building code violations and the status could not be changed.
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Mr. Eggers said the siding and windows were done, and the soffit and fascia were fine, but the
garage was in bad shape. Mr. Koehnen asked whether he would be better off tearing the garage
down. Ms. Moermond asked what condition the pad was in. Mr. Eggers said there was no pad and
would still need to have a parking surface. Ms. Shaff said a concrete slab could be put in. Ms.
Moermond said demolition costs for removing a garage run in the �2,000 to $4,000 range. She said
a concrete or asphalt parking surFace would be required, although there might be an exception if the
pazking surface abutted a gravel alley. Ms. Shaff noted that a site plan review would be required.
Mr. Eggers asked Mr. Koehnen whether he would like to meet on site to go over exactly what was
needed. Mr. Koehnen said he was.
Ms. Moermond said one question outstanding was whether Mr. Koehnen could do the electrical
himself. Mr. Koehnen said two family members were licensed electricians; he asked whether they
could pull permits for him. Ms. Moermond said they could.
Ms. Moermond stated that if Mr. Koehnen's son resided in the house it would be considered rental
property and a C of O would be required. A C of O would cover the same things but she didn't
know how the permit department would treat the property.
Mr. Ubl asked Mr. Koehnen whether he received any bids for the work. Mr. Koehnen said he had
not had a chance yet.
Ms. Moermond asked who had handled the sale. Mr. Koehnen said it had been a quit-claim and he
warked directly with the seller. Ms. Moermond said it had been the seller's responsibility to
disclose the registered Vacant Building status and requirements. Mr. Koehnen stated that the
seller's side of the stozy was that she had talked to a"Steve" in DSI and had been told that the house
was not vacant and had renters and that "Steve" would "take care of it."
Ms. Shaff noted that the electrical service had been shut of£ Ms Moermond and Mr. Koehnen said
it appeared that it had been shut off more than once.
Ms. Moermond said the Vacant Building file had been opened on July 20, 2009 and the seller's
conclusion about the property's status was not consistent with that of city staff. She said Mr.
Koehnen could expect to receive a bill far the vacant building fee in July. Mr. Koehnen said the
first year had already been assessed to property taxes. Ms. Moermond said the fee should have been
paid at closing. She stated that if he was close to completing the work by the time the next fee was
assessed to the property tases he could appeal to have it prarated or deleted.
Ms. Moermond recommended denying the appeal. Mr. Eggers will work with the appellant to
develop a work plan.
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4. Appeal of William LThlenkott to a Certificate of Occupancy Deficiency List for property at
529 Portland Avenue.
Ms. Shaff said an inspection was conducted on November 19, 2009 by Inspector Mitchell
Imbertson. He found the existing double hung windows in the bedroom of the third floor unit has
an openable area of 12 inches high by 54 inches wide.
Mr. LJhlenkott said in 1979 and 19&0 there was a variance and the basement window had to be
lowered and the first floor windows had to be made as break-away windows. The inspector had
said those windows were not in compliance. The building was purchased as a duplex in 1977 and
now iYs a 4-plex. Ms. Moermond responded that the overall amount of glass is suff'icient but the
problem is with the shape of it. The codes in the late 70s and early 80s would have changed on
egress windows. Ms. Shaff added the code has been the same for many years.
Ms. Moermond requested that DSI staff look for records on this property from the Board of Zoning
Appeals, the Planning Commission, or the Properry Code Board of Appeals.
Ms. Spong stated that she had no record of windows being approved since the establishment of the
Historic District.
Ms. Moermond's recommendation is forthcoming. She requested the appellant provide photos of
sill height measurement for her and Ms. Spong's review. The matter was laid over for one month.
Ms. Spong stated that depending on what is decided, the appellant may or may not need a building
permit to make the changes.