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RESOLUTION
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1 BE IT RESOLVED, that the Council ofthe City of Saint Paul hereby certifies and approves the January
2 12, 2010 decision of the Legislative Hearing Officer for Appeals to Letters, Certificate of Occupancy
3 Deficiency Lists and Denial of Building Permits to Replace Egress Windows for the following addresses:
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7 1439 McAfee Street Raymond Siebenaler
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9 Decision: Deny the appeal for Item #2 and grant an extension for 90 days to come into compliance; grant a
10 6-inch variance on the openable height of the egress windows in Unit 2-2" bedroom northeast side and
11 Unit 2-1 bedroom east side; grant a 4-inch variance on the openable height of the egress windows in Llnit
12 2-3` bedroom west side; grant a variance on the sill height issue.
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14 1494 Maryland Avenue East
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Decision: Deny the appeal on the two upper floor bedroom windows with openable dimensions of 22
inches in width by 10'/4 inches in height; deny the appeal on the lower-level bedroom window with
openable dimensions of 32 inches in width and 10 3 /4" in height; grant a variance on the openable height of
the upper floor, middle bedroom window on the condition a photograph is provided showing window
opens easily to at least 16 inches.
60 E. Geranium
Decision: Grant a 1-inch variance on the openable height of the egress bedroom window.
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Action Requested:
Resolution approving the January 12, 2010 decisions of the Legislative Hearing Officer for Appeals to Letters, Certificate of
Occupancy Deficiency Lists and Denial of Building Permits to Replace Egress Windows for the following: 1439 McAfee Sheet,
1494 Maryland Avenue East, and 60 Geranium Avenue East.
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MINUTES OF THE LEGISLATIVE HEARING OFFICER
ON APPEALS OF LETTERS OF DEFICIENCY,
CODE COMPLIANCE INSPECTION REPORTS,
AND DENIAL OF BUTLDING PERMITS
Tuesday, January 12, 2010
Room 330 City Hall, 15 Kellogg Blvd. West
Marcia Moermond, Legislative Hearing Officer
The hearing was called to order at 135 p.m.
STAFF PRESENT: Leanna Shaff, Deparhnent of Safety and Inspections (DS� — Fire; Mai Vang
and Donna Sanders, City Council Offices
Appeal of Raymond Siebenaler to a Certificate of Occupancy Deficiency List for property at
1439 McAfee Street.
Appellants, Raymond and Karen Siebenaler (5776 Centerville Rd., White Bear Lake, MN 55127)
appeared.
Ms. Shaff gave a staff report. She stated that Inspector James Thomas had inspected for the Fire C
of O on December 29, 2009. Inspector Thomas reported that in Unit 2, 2" Bedroom on the North
East Side that the windows opened to 18" high x 38" wide. The code requires a minimum of 24"
high x 20" wide minimum. Unit 2 l Bedroom East Side windows with the openable dimensions
of the windows to be 18" x 38" and the 3 Bedroom on the West Side windows in Unit 2 with the
openable dimensions of the windows to be 20" high x 38" wide. Ms. Shaff noted that also in Unit
1, but not being appealed, that the sill measures at 54." Item No. 2, also being appealed, that is a
requirement from the National Electric Code is maintaining a minimum of 36" clearance in front of
all electrical panels.
The Appellants, Raymond and Karen Siebenaler, fiu reviewed the items which they are
appealing, the 3 upper level bedroom windows' openable dimensions, as well as having to move the
dryer from under the electrical panel.
Ms. Moermond asked for clarification from the appellants that they are not appealing the window
sill requirements, noted in Item No. 6.
Mr. Siebenaler responded that a tenant had removed the ladder, however, they have already put the
ladder back in.
Moermond indicated that a step is preferred, rather than a ladder.
Shaff added that in the case where a ladder is in place and in tact, a ladder may be acceptable.
However, once a ladder is taken down that it is to be replaced with a step.
Mr. 5iebenaler responded that it was the inspector who directed them to put the ladder back.
Shaff noted that the ladders are very hard to climb and get out.
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Mr. Siebenaler reviewed that the ladder is currently bolted to the wall, the treads are approximately
24 inches wide, and that it is not the width of the openable crank-out window. However, the ladder
was reinstalled, specifically so that it would serve as an egess window, and that the window opens
to 27 inches.
Ms. Siebenaler reported that both ladders on the main floor were put in as required by Section 8.
Section 8 also required the crank out windows on the main floor. Both ladders had been in place.
One of the renters ripped one off of the wall, so they took it home, repaired and painted it, and
reinstalled it.
Both Ms. Shaff and Ms. Moermond clarified that the step is not going to be required at this time,
however, if it is ripped out again, a code-compliant step will be required. In this case it would
literally be a step that runs the length of the window, like a standard stair step, to better enable
someone to get out the window.
Shaff stated that there are 54 inches at the bottom of the sill and the code requires a maximum sill
height in an existing building to be 48 inches. A code compliant stair has a masimum rise to the top
of the tread from the floor of 7%z inches. In this case one step would be sufficient. This step would
have to be permanently mounted to the wall and the step would stick out from the wall.
Moermond recommended granting a 6-inch variance on the openable height of the egress windows
in Unit 2— 2" bedroom northeast side and Unit 2— 1 s � bedroom east side; she further recommended
granting a 4-inch variance on the openable height of the egress windows in Unit 2— 3` bedroom
west side and granting a variance on the sill height issue.
Discussion followed regarding Item 2, relative to providing and maintaining a minimum of 36
inches clearance in front of all electrical panels.
Mr. Siebenaler presented and reviewed four photographs depicting the layout of the furnace room.
(Copies were made for the official record.) He described the fizrnace room to be 8 feet wide by 9
feet long in size, a very restricted area, noting it has been laid out like this since 1964. The dryer is
a gas dryer, and if required to be moved in front of the meter, that it would block the walk-through
area. He questioned that fire safety is a priority in case they were to blow a fuse?
Shaff responded that it has to do with the National Blectric Code, as well as fire safety, and the
servicing needs.
Moermond noted that the water heater and cleanout area is not depicted in the photographs, with
Mr. Siebernaler aclrnowledging that they were forgotten.
Two solutions were identified for this deficiency, stacking the washer and dryer, or the removal of
the dryer. In that case both the washer and dryer would be removed.
Ms. Siebernaler said it is desirable to provide the laundry amenities to their renters far their
convenience. It has been this way since 1964, describing the layout of the duplex as a split entry
house with a front foyer and the laundry as the only common space, with a 2 bedroom unit
downstairs and a 3 bedroom unit upstairs.
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Moermond stated that she was not comfortable with this deficiency and that the electrical code is
pretty straightforwud on what meets code. She asked if they have looked into an affordable
stacking of the washer and dryer?
Ms. Siebenaler said that it was cost prohibitive. Mr. Siebenaler added that they would have to
replumb and redo the electrical and that would get very expensive. He said that if denied they
would have to remove the washer and the dryer
Mr. Siebernaler said that if they moved the dryer in front of the meters it would really block up the
exit.
Shaff asked whether there is a way to put a platform over the plumbing cleanout to place the dryer
on top of it? Mr. Siebenaler said that the tenants plug the clean-out up quite often, which is an
issue.
There was discussion that the platform could be a consideration as a lot of basements are done that
way, and there still could be access to the stuff underneath. Mr. Siebernaler questioned whether he
would be comfortable with a platform as a solution.
Moermond recommended denying the appeal regarding Item #2 and granting an extension for 90
days to come into compliance.
2. Appeal of Jesse Yang to a Code Compliance Inspection Report request for egress window
variance for property at 1494 Marvland Avenue East.
Appellant Jesse Yang (1986 Margaret Street, St. Paul, MN SS ll 9) appeared, along with his tenant,
T Xiong Udom (500 Grotto St., St. Paul, MN 55104).
Ms. Moermond established with Mr. Yang that this is a vacant building. Moermond reviewed the
Application for Appeal, the Egress Window Non-Compliance Determination reports, as well as the
Code Compliance Report.
Moermond asked the applicant to describe the rivo upper floor bedroom windows.
Mr. Yang responded that the windows appear to be 4 year old vinyl windows. He said that the
problem is that the windows measure 37 inches in height by 36 inches in width, and according to
the code it should measure 20 inches or larger. At the code compliance check the City inspector
determined that the window needed to be replaced. The house was built in 1958. Yang
summarized that the windows are brand new double-hung windows, the house is stucco, and the
cost estimate to replace the windows is approximately $2,000, which is the reason far the appeal.
Moermond indicated she would deny the appeal saying that 10'/4 inches in openable height to get
out is too short, and that a different style of window will be required regardless of whether this is an
owner-occupied or rental unit.
Mr. Yang said he measured the openable height of the double-hung windows is at 16 inches, not 10
3 /a. He said that the window measurements are 37 inches in height by 36 inches in width.
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Shaff reviewed that Jim Seeger completed the form, denoting the 10'/a inch openabie height
measurement.
Moermond said that in order to grant the variance for these two upper floor bedroom windows that
she would need to see a photograph of the window open, using a yard stick or a measuring tape to
demonstrate in a photo�aph that the openable height is at least 16 inches, and higher would be
much better.
However, she further stated that the width is only 2 inches more than what it would need to be.
Normally what she would look for is that each inch that is short in height, she would look for at
least 1 inch in additional width, but these windows only have Z additional inches in width, so the
minimum height that she would consider would be 22 inches. Given this, a different style of
window will be necessary in this case.
Mr. Yang questioned that many houses have windows with these same dimensions?
Ms. Moermond responded that more and mare these windows are being required to be brought into
compliance with code.
Moermond recommended denying the appeal on the two upper floor bedroom windows with
openable dimensions of 22 inches in width by 10 3 /a inches in height.
The upper floor middle bedroom window was next discussed. Moermond reviewed that the
openable height is 14 3 /a inches, which Mr. Yang confirmed to be accurate.
Moermond asked whether iYs possible to get it to open a couple more inches?
Mr. Yang said that he believes it would be possible to open it to 16 inches.
Moermond recommended granting a variance on the openable height of the upper floar middle
bedroom window on the condition a photograph is provided showing window opens easily to at
least 16 inches.
Moermond gave her contact information to Mr. Yang for transmitting the photographs requested.
Moermond recommended denial of the appeal of the lower level bedroom window with openable
dimensions of 32 inches in width and 10'/4 " in height.
One additional case was read into the record.
Appeal of 60 E. Geranium for bedroom egress windows with an openable measurement of
23 inches in height and 26 inches in width.
Ms. Moermond recommended granting a 1-inch variance on the openable height of the egress
bedroom window.