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Amended 2/10/2010
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RESOLUTION
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BE IT RESOLVED, that the Council of the City of Saint Paul hereby certifies and approves the
December 15, 2009 decision of the Legislative Hearing Officer for Appeals to Letters of Certificate of
Occupancy Deficiency Lists and Denial of Building Permits to Replace Egress Windows for the following
addresses:
Proaertv Appealed
10 Seventh Street West
Appellant
Carol Aegerter, Minnesota Children's Museum
Decision: Deny the appeal and grant an extension to December 31, 201Q to come into compliance.
1670 Mazshall Avenue
Andy Hybben
Decision: Grant a 4-inch variance on the openable height of the egress windows in Units I through 8.
546 Hollv Avenue
Marilyn Knudsen
Decision: Deny the appeal and grant an extension for one year to bring the exterior wa11s, unprotected
surfaces, fascia, and soffit into compliance.
1889 Hawthorne Avenue East
Donald Jorgensen
Decision: Grant a 5-inch variance on the openable height of the bedroom egress window.
1598 Dayton Avenue.
Edward Conley
Decision: Grant a 4.5-inch variance on the openable height in Unit 4, bedroom 2; deny the appeal for Unit
4, bedroom 1 and grant an extension for 90 days to come into compliance.
I 120 Flandrau Street
Raymond Simpson
Decision: Item #1 and Item #5 — grant a 4-inch variance on the openable height of the egress windows in
the downstairs and upstairs bedrooms; Item #3 — grant a variance on the kitchen ceiling height;
Item #4 — grant the appeal on the steps on the west and south side; and Item #8 — grant an extension for six-
months on the roof.
1637 Hewitt Avenue
Paul Gustafson
Decision: Grant a 6.5-inch variance on the openable height of the egress bedroom w�ndows on the 2"
floor.
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Decision: Grant the appeal on the wall located on the eastside at the rear of the building; deny the appeal
and grant an extension for one year for all exterior wood and unprotected surfaces to be painted and
brought into compliance; 614 'lz east bedroom — deny the variance request and grant an extension for 90
days to bring the windows into compliance; 616 southeast downstairs bedroom — grant a 6-inch variance
on the openable height of the egress windows; and 616 upstairs bedroom — grant a 2-inch variance on the
openable height of the egress windows.
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1769 Marshall Avenue Antoine Coleman
Decision: Deny the appeal and grant an extension for six months to bring exterior walls, porch and steps
into compliance; grant five months to bring window screens into compliance; grant two months to bring
interior ceiling in Unit 3 into compliance; and grant five months to bring all window screens into
compliance.
651 Sherburne Avenue David R Busch, DRB #24 LLC
Decision: Grant a 3.5-inch variance on the openable height of the egress windows in bedroom 1; deny the
appeal for the front bedroom window and grant an extension for five months to bring the window into
compliance.
812 Fuller Avenue David R Busch, DRB #24 LLC
Decision: Grant a 4-inch variance on the openable height of the egress window in the rear bedroom at the
top of the stairway on the 2nd floor; grant a variance on the ceiling height in the basement; deny the appeal
for the front bedroom on the 2nd floar and grant an extension to May 14, 2010 to bring the window into
compliance.
889-891 Hudson Road
Decision: Grant a variance on the egress windows being replaced.
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Resolution approving the December I5, 2009 decision of the Legislarive Hearing Officer for Appeals to Letters of Deficiency Lists
and Denial of Building Permits for the following: 10 Seventh St W,1670 Marshall, 546 Holly, 1889 Hawthome Ave E, 1598
Dayton,1120 Flandrau, 1637 Hewitt, 614 Bates, 480 Orleans St,1769 Mazshall, 651 SheTbume, 812 Fulle=, and 889-891 Hudson
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MINUTES OF THE LEGISLATIVE HEAR.ING OFFICER
ON APPEALS OP LETTBRS OF DBFICIENCY,
VACANT BUILDING REGISRATION NOTICES & FEES
AND DENIAL OF BLTILDING PERMITS
Tuesday, December 15, 2009
Room 330 City Hall, IS Kellogg Blvd. West
Marcia Moermond, Legislative Hearing Officer
The hearing was called to order at 1:35 p.m.
STAFF PRESENT: Leanna Shaff, Department of Safety and Tnspections (DSn — Fire; Amy Spong,
PED — HPC; Mai Vang, City Council Offices
1. Appeal of Carol Aegerter, on behalf of the Minnesota Children's Museum, to a Certificate
of Occupancy Deficiency List for property at 10 5eventh Street West. (Laid over from
November 17)
Appellant Carol Aegerter appeared on behalf of the Minnesota Children's Museum. Ms. Aegerter
referred to photographs and diagrams she brought with her for Ms. Moermond's review.
Ms. Shaff stated that she reviewed the photographs and forwarded them to the Fire Protection
Engineer. The Fire Protection Engineer went through the Children's Museum with their building
manager and a representative of the sprinkler company. Their determination is there are five
sprinkler heads that need to be changed out at a cost of approximately $1,000.
Ms. Aegerter explained their concern is duct work on both sides of the sprinkler heads, and when
they move them the water will hit the duct work and fall straight down. She said after the Fire
Protection Engineer made their review, she stated by telephone conversarion they would only have
to move one sprinkler head
Upon question of Ms. Moermond, Ms. Aegerter stated she did not have a copy with her of the Fire
Protection Engineer's e-mail stating work to be done in order to fulfill their requirements.
Ms. Shaff stated she has not seen a copy of the e-mail, and Ms. Moermond expressed concern over
that.
Ms. Aegerter said the Fire Protection Inspector told her over the telephone they would need to
replace sprinkler head number six (6), but she has not received that information in writing.
Ms. Moermond said she was going to hold off on making a decision until the Fire Protection
Engineer informs Ms. Aegerter in writing that only sprinkler head number six (6) needs to be
changed out. Ms. Moermond further stated she will request a detailed report from the Fire
Protection Engineer.
Upon questions of Ms. Moermond, Ms. Shaff stated the Fire Protection Engineer is out of this office
this week. She said she did discus this issue with her, and that while she has reviewed it, she does
not find those to be credible issues.
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Upon question of Ms. Moermond, Ms. Aegerter said they had Vildng Sprinkler come out and their
opinion is that only the one sprinkler head needs to be replaced with the remaining ones to have the
deflector plates removed, which she has this in writing from the original City inspector who came
out.
Ms Moermond stated this item will be laid over in order to obtain confirmation from Fire
Protection Engineer Services on the number of sprinkler heads that need to be moved, and she also
requested a City staff report and recommendation.
On February 1, 2010, Ms. Moermond reviewed the records and recommended denying the appeal
and granting an extension to December 31, 2010 to come into compliance.
Appeal of Andy Hybben to a Certificate of Occupancy Deficiency List for property at 1670
Mazshall Avenue. (Rescheduled from Dec. 1)
Appellant Andy Hybben appeared.
Ms. Shaff stated a Fire C of O inspecrion was conducted on November 12, 2009 by Inspector
Booker. She explained that this is a 10-unit building; the emergency escape and rescue opening in
units 1 through 8 opened 20" high by 33" wide; unit 10 they opened to 12" high by 25" wide; unit
10 has a height of 51" which is 3" taller than code maximum of 48"; and Unit 9 has a 16" high by
33" wide opening.
i3pon question of Ms. Shaff, Mr. Hybben said it is correct that he is only appealing units 1 through
8. He explained he has akeady ordered egress windows for units 9 and 10 from Window World
will apply for appropriate permits. He said he ordered the windows two weeks ago and was told
they wouid be delivered in approximately 6 weeks, and he provided pictures of the windows on
order.
Ms. Moermond recommended granting a 4-inch variance on the openable height of the egress
windows in Units 1 through 8.
4. Appeal of Marilyn Knudsen to a Certificate of Occupancy Deficiency List for property at
546 Holly Avenue. (Rescheduled from Dec. 1)
Kirk Johnson appeared on behalf of the appellant, Marilyn Knudsen.
Ms. Shaff stated a C of O inspection was conducted on November 3, 2009 by Inspectar Imbertson.
The inspector noted work to be done on the property is repairing all deteriorated wood on the trim,
soffit and fascia.
Mr. Johnson said they received a notice that there was an initial exterior inspection, they were not
present at that time, and became aware when they received notice of work needing to be done. He
said there was another inspection late November which they were present for; however, he had not
received inspection reports for either date.
Upon question of Ms. Moermond, Ms. Shaff said she had both inspection reports; the first dated
November 3, 2009 and the second dated November 23, 2009 and provided copies for Mr. Johnson.
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Upon question of Ms. Moermond, Mr. 7ohnson said he is not disputing that exterior work needs to
he done, but was requesting more tnne. Mr. Johnson explained this is a large, three-story Victorian
home, it wili be a large project and painting the exterior cannot be done during the winter months.
He noted the last time he had an estimate for painting the exterior it was approximately $12,000.
Upon question of Ms. Moermond, Mr. Johnson requested until the end of suimner for the work to
be complete.
Ms. Shaff recommended Mr. Joluison contact Inspector Imbertson to schedule the re-inspection.
Ms, Moermond recommended denying the appeal and granting an extension for one year to bring
the exteriar walls, unprotected surfaces, fascia, and soffit into compliance.
5. Appeal of Donald Jorgensen to a Certificate of Occupancy Deficiency List for property at
1889 Hawthorne Avenue East.
Appellant Donald 7orgensen appeared.
Ms. Shaff stated a Fire C of O was conducted on November 30, 2009 by Inspector Thomas. She
said the appeal states to see the attachment and the only attachment she had were the orders.
Mr. Jorgensen apologized for attaching the wrong papenuork and stated he is appealing the window
dimensions. He explained he purchased this property and gave it to his daughter who is living
there.
Upon question of Ms. Moermond, Mr. Jorgenson said his main concern today is the dimensions of
the window.
Ms. Moermond recommended granting a 5-inch variance on the openable height of the bedroom
egress window.
6. Appeal of Edward Conley to a Certificate of Occupancy Deficiency List for property at
1598 Dayton Avenue.
Appellant Edward Conley appeared representing Rejuvahome.
Ms. Shaff stated a Fire C of O conducted on November 20, 2009 by Inspector Booker. The report
indicates a window in Unit 4, Bedroom 1 measured 16" high by 23" wide, and also in Unit 4,
Bedroom 2 the window measured 19 '/s" x 23" wide.
Mr. Conley noted the inspection report had the incorrect address of 1598 Selby and the correct
address was 1594-98 Dayton Avenue. He said this is an historic brick building and while he would
like a variance, if it is unsafe he is willing to correct it.
Ms. Moermond referred to Unit 4, Bedroom 1 stating she is not comfortable recommending
granting a variance as it is unsafe. She referred to the window in Bedtoom 2 and said while she
prefers it be corrected, she is more comfortable granting a variance.
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Upon question by Ms. Moermond, PvLr. Conley said he is willing to replace both the windows and he
could replace them within 90 days.
Ms. Moermond recommended granting a 4.5-inch variance on the openable height in Unit 4,
bedroom 2; denying the appeal for Unit 4, bedroom 1 and grant an extension for 90 days to come
into compliance.
7. Appeal of Raymond Simpson to a Certificate of Occupancy Deficiency List for property at
1120 Flandrau Street.
Appellant Raymond Simpson appeared.
Ms. Shaff stated a Fire C of O inspection was conducted on November 25, 2009 by Inspector
Thomas. The do�vnstairs windows are 20" high by 25" wide, the upstairs windows measure 20"
high by 37" wide, and it appeats all other items have been completed by the homeowner.
Mr. Simpson said there was also a question pertaining to the stairs. Ms. Shaff noted the inspector
was incorrect and this is no longer an issue. Mr. Simpson also said the roof was included in the
inspection but he had pointed out to the inspector a sign posted in the &ont yard that a new roof was
being put on due to hail damage.
Ms. Shaff referred to Item No. 3 which appellant is stating is mislabeled. She explained Inspectar
Thomas indicates it is a kitchen but it is the upstairs bedroom where the ceiling height appears to be
an issue.
Ms. Moermond reviewed the Inspection and recommended the following.
Item #1 and Item #5 — grant a 4-inch variance on the openable height of the egress windows in the
downstairs and upstairs bedrooms; Item #3 — grant a variance on the kitchen ceiling height;
Item #4 - grant the appeal on the steps on the west and south side; and Item #8 —�ant an extension
for six-months on the roof.
8. Appeal of Paul Gustafson to a Certificate of Occupancy Deficiency List for property at 1637
Hewitt Avenue
Appellant Paul Gustafson appeared.
Ms. Shaff stated a Fire C of O inspection conducted on November 25, 2009 by Inspector Prill. She
noted the inspector found that the windows on the second floor are two double-hung type windows
with a 17" high by 20" wide opening. Ms. Shaff noted they also fall short in total glazed area of 43
square feet where the Code requires 5 A square feet. Item No. 2 refers to window screen that needs
to be replaced.
Mr. Gustafson requested more time to order the screens and windows and noted that one window
extends out over the enhy port.
Ms. Moermond requested Mr. Gustafson provide her photographs of the windows both inside and
outside.
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Mr. Gustafson refened to the screens saying the tenants removed them and can't find them. Ms.
Moermond asked if mid-May was sufficient time to replace the screens, and Mr. Gustafson ageed.
Ms. Moermond said that once Mr. Gustafson provides her with photographs of both the inside and
outside of the windows, she will review the issue; if afrer further review her recommendation is to
deny, she will grant until mid-May to come into compliance.
On January 12, 2010, Ms. Moermond reviewed the photographs of the egress windows provided by
the property owner. Based on the documentation, Ms. Moermond recommended granting a 6.5-inch
variance on the openable height of the egress bedroom windows on the 2" floor.
9. Appeal of Telly Wilcox to a Certificate of Occupancy Deficiency List for property at 614
Bates Avenue.
Appellant Telly Wilcox appeared.
Ms. Shaff stated a Fire C of O inspection was conducted on November 24, 2�09 by Inspector
Thomas. She said at 614'/z Bates, the inspector was unable to measure the bedroom on the north
side because the air conditioner was in the window. At 614 '/Z the east side bedroom was 17" high
by 27" wide. At 616 the first floor bedroom southeast measured 18" high by 25" wide, and in 616
the first floor bedroom east is 22" high by 28" wide.
Mr. Wilcox stated he measured the entire outside dimensions of the two windows for 614 %z and
they are the same size, and he wasn't able to measure the opening height because of the air
conditioner, which he is appealing. Mr. Wilcox said he is also appealing the exterior noting he
realizes it needs painting but he needed time. He referred to a tree and explained that over ten years
ago, Pat Fish came out when she was doing the C of O inspection and there was an actual tree there
at that time. After research, it was determined it was the neighbors tree and he presented
photographs showing the tree on the neighbors property which has since been cut down. He
presented photographs showing the dead tree and a shunp. In referring to the wall by the tree, Mr.
Wilcox said while it leans a little bit, it hasn't moved in 10 yeazs.
Ms. Moermond said that for the time being she will recommend granting the appeal on the wall;
however, she noted that down the road it may become an issue.
Mr. Wilcox referred to the windows and stated about one year he had a Section 8 inspection done.
At that time, he spoke with HPC staff who recommended it not be replaced with a vinyl, crank out
window
Ms. Spong, HPC, stated that while she does not have photoa aphs, there are two windows on the
first level at the rear unit which appear to be later additions to the twin home. She said both the
width and length are fine, and referring to a vinyl �vindow, the appellant will need to fill out an
application for that to be looked into.
Upon question of Ms. Moermond, Ms. Spong she has not yet been able to make a deternunation
whether the addition was added in the 1950s or the 1960s, and chances are it is the main double
house that is historically significant.
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Upon question of Ms. Moermond, Mr. Wilcox stated the windows are odd ones he'd never seen
before in that they have metal on the side for tension, not sash cord like the front units. He further
stated that the only negative in using casement windows is that tenants will not be able to put an air
conditioner in the window.
Ms. Moermond referred to the three windows being discussed and said there may be substantial
issues with the HPC on the one window.
Mr. Wilcox noted this is a side-by-side home and the window is the exact same measurements. Ms.
Moermond stated there will be a follow-up inspection and at that time, the inspector will take the
measurements. If they are the same dimensions, she will recommend that a variance be granted.
Upon question of Mr. Wilcox pertaining to the historic windows, Ms. Spong recommended he come
in to apply for the permit which will include photographs, and said they will also need an actual
window product specification he is proposing.
Ms. Moermond recommended granting the appeal on the wall located on the eastside at the rear of
the building; deny the appeal and grant an extension for one year for all exterior wood and
unprotected surfaces to be painted and brought into compliance. Ms. Moermond fixrther
recommended the following:
614 '/� east bedroom — grant a.7-inch variance on the opening width of the egress bedroom
windows; 614 '/2 -north bedroom — grant a.7-inch variance on the opening width of the egress
bedroom windows; 616 southeast downstairs bedroom - grant a 6-inch variance on the openable
height of the egress windows; and 616 upstairs bedroom - grant a 2-inch variance on the openable
height of the egress windows.
10. Appeal of Peter Kramer to a Certificate of Occupancy Deficiency List for property at 480
Orleans Street.
Appellant Peter Kramer appeared.
Ms. Shaff stated a Fire C of O inspection was conducted on November 18. She explained the
inspector found that the inside foundation walls do not adequately support the building and refened
to photographs he submitted for the record.
Mr.. Kramer said while this can be easily repaired, he requested an extension of time of six months.
Ms. Moermond recommended denying the appeal and granting six month extension to bring the
exterior foundation walls into compliance.
11. Appeal of Antoine Coleman to a Certificate of Occupancy Deficiency List for property at
1769 Mazshall Avenue.
Appellant Antoine Coleman appeared.
Ms. Shaff stated a Fire C of O inspection was conducted on November 23, 2009 by Inspector
Booker.
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Mr. Coleman said he just had the siding replaced, put a new roof on, added an extension to the fire
escape, and had a new boiler installed. He said he will make the necessary repairs but asked for an
extension of tune.
Ms. Shaff said the boiler needed a fmal inspection and urged Mr. Coleman to contact Steven Brown
to get that scheduled.
Ms. Moermond recommended denying the appeal and grant an extension for six months to bring
exterior walls, porch and steps into compliance; grant five months to bring window screens into
compliance; grant two months to bring interior ceiling in Unit 3 into compliance; and grant five
months to bring all window screens into compliance.
12. Appeal of David R Busch, DRB #24 LLC, to a Certificate of Occupancy Deficiency List for
property at 651 Sherburne Avenue.
Appellant David Busch appeared.
Ms. Shaff stated a Fire C of O inspection was conducted on November 20, 2009 by Inspector
Booker who found that the windows in bedroom 1 opened 20 %2" basically square, and in the front
bedroom 17 high by 21" wide.
Mx. Busch explained the property is a short, two-story home and the windows are on the second
floor over a shed.
Ms. Moermond recommended ganting a 3.5-inch variance on the openable height of the egress
windows in bedroom 1; deny the appeal for the front bedroom window and grant an extension for
five months to bring the window into compliance.
13. Appeal of Dauid R Busch, DRB #24 LLC, to a Certificate of Occupancy Deficiency List for
property at 812 Fuller Avenue.
Appellant David Busch appeared.
Ms. Shaff stated a Fire C of O inspection was conducted on November 30, 2009 and December 1,
2009 Inspector Ixnbertson who found that the second floor rear bedroom was 20" high by 26" wide
and the front 16" high by 2T' wide. He also found the basement ceiling height at 6 ft 8%z".
Ms. Moermond recommended granting a 4-inch variance on the openabie height of the egress
window in the rear bedroom at the top of the stairway on the 2nd floor; grant a variance on the
ceiling height in the basement; deny the appeal for the front bedroom on the 2nd floor and grant an
extension to May 14, 2010 to bring the window into compliance.
15. Follow up on 889-891 Hudson Road egress window issue.
Ms. Spong gave a staff report stating a hearing was held on October 6, 2009 and the owner needs to
replace the windows on the third floar. Cunently, the windows are double hung that open to 19"
high by 18" wide. This is a historic property and the HPC is having difficulty getting windows
replaced. Ms. Spong stated that Ms. Moermond had previously recommended granting up to a 2%z"
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variance if at least 30" high. She received an e-mail from the owner this past week but his
dimensions appeaz to be inaccurate.
Ms. Shaff stated it is her opuuon that there is no egress hardware on the windows and using regular
casing without egress hazdwaze will make it very narrow.
Ms. Spong said she would like to be able to put a casement in this opening and there are probably
other products that may not have as substantial of a frame. Vinyl may be the way to go as they
don't have to support as much weight. She further noted this is a pivotal house with two dormers
and the appellant was going to reconshuct how it hit the roof.
Ms. Moermond recommended granting a variance on the egress windows being replaced.