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RESOLUTION
CITY OF SAIN�UL, MINNESOTA
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1 BE IT RESOLVED, that the Council of the City of Saint Paul hereby certifies and approves the March
2 31, 2009 decision of the Legislative Hearing Officer for Appeals on Letters of Certificate of Occupancy
3 Deficiency List for the following addresses:
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5 Proaertv Anpealed Appellant
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7 1325 & 1366 Western Avenue North Thomas Hurley
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9 Decision: Deny the appeal for both properties and grant an extension for 90 days to come into
10 compliance.
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12 64 Avon Street South Brad Vier
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14 Decision: Grant a variance for the egress windows in unit 6.
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16 1634 Hoyt Avenue East
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Miao Chen
18 Decision: Grant a variance for the egress windows.
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20 674 Smith Avenue
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Pete Vitalli
22 Decision: Crrant a variance far the egress windows.
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24 1340 Stillwater Avenue Terry Fransen
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26 Decision: Grant a variance for the egress windows in bedroom 1 and in bedroom 2.
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28 1426 & 1436 Case Avenue
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Matt Mazanec
30 Decision: Grant variances on the egress windows for 1436 Case Avenue. Deny the appeal on the egress
31 windows for 1426 Case Avenue and grant an extension for 90 days to come into compliance.
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33 928 Grand Avenue Bebe Jacque
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35 Decision: Deny the appeal and grant an extension for four and one-half month to come into compliance.
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Resolution approving the Mazch 31, 2009 decisions of the Legislative Hearing Officer for Appeals on Letters of Certificate of
Occupancy Deficiency List for properties at 1325 Westem Avenue North, 1366 Western Avenue North, 64 Avon Street South, 1634
Hoyt Avenue East, 674 Smi[h Avenue, 1340 Stillwater Avenue, 1426 Case Avenue, 1436 Case Avenue, and 928 Gxand Avenue.
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April 17, 2009 9:55 AM Page 1
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MINUTES OF THE LEGISLATIVE HEARING ON LETTERS OF DEFICIENCY,
CORRECTION NOTICES, AND CORRECTION ORDERS
Tuesday, March 31, 2009
Room 330 City Hall, 15 Kellogg Blvd. West
Marcia Moermond, Legislative Hearing Officer
The hearing was called to order at 135 p.m.
STAFF PRESENT: Leanna Shaff, Deparhnent of Safety and Inspections (DSn — Fire
Prevention; and Mai Vang, City Council Offices
Appeal of Thomas Hurley, on behalf of LaBlanche Apartments, to a Certificate of
Occupancy Deficiency List for property at 1325 Western Avenue North.
2. Appeal of Thomas Hurley, on behalf of LaBlanche Apartments, to a Certificate of
Occupancy Deficiency List for property at 1366 Western Avenue North.
Ms. Shaff reported that Inspector Lisa Martin inspected for the Fire Certificate of Occupancy.
The windows are substantially in compliance; however, the issues are the sill heights. The
basement unit is 57 inches which is substantially higher than the 48 inch maximum requirements.
They will not accept a ladder; they would require permanently affixed steps. The steps should be
the width of the egress opening.
Thomas Hurley, appellant, stated the steps are 59 inches right now. He measured all eight
buildings. The worst ones are 59. He asked about two steps. Ms. Shaff responded that one step
will be too high for the rise. The maximum should be 48. They do not have to be concrete; they
can be made of wood or metal.
Mr. Hurley stated this is a 270 unit property. There are eight buildings at this site, and 12
bedrooms have this condition. The rest are close. Ms. Shaff responded that he might as well do
the others, too.
Ms. Moeimond stated that it probably should not have been written the way it was written. Ms.
Shaff concurred and said it was not clear. Mr. Hurley responded he is okay with that. He
requested 90 days.
Ms. Moermond recommended denying the appeal and granting an extension of 90 days to come
into compliance.
Appeal of Brad Vier to a Certificate of Occupancy Deficiency List for property at 64
Avon Street South. (rescheduled from March 17)
Ms. Shaff reported that Inspector A.J. Neis inspected for a Certificate of Occupancy on February
24, 2009. The window in Unit 6 opens to 16 %2 inches in height and 42 inches wide,
substantially smaller than the 24 inch opening.
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Brad Vier, owner, stated that he replaced the original window after it was kicked in. He was told
that if he replaced it with the same size window, it would be fine. He upgraded the glass and it
opens more. The top and bottom completely come out.
(Mr. Vier showed Ms. Moermond some pictures).
Mr. Vier stated that it was suggested a crank out, but it is a garden level apartment and Mr. Vier
is concerned about that type of window.
Ms. 5haff reported that it would take about 8 movements for it to be opened. There is a
commentary in the code that suggests that is unreasonable that people would have the knowledge
to operate the window. The code requires that it is a simple movement to open the window and
get out. The minimwn size is 24 inch high and 20 inch wide opening for people to get out. Mr.
Vier responded can he have a big pane that opens up.
Ms. Shaff responded that is an awning window. The hardware restricts that window openang as
it is a scissor movement; they also drop easily and there needs to be three feet in every direction.
Mr. Vier responded it is a hundred year old building. He asked whether they had to dig out the
alley. Ms. Moermond responded that is what they are talking about today.
Ms. Shaff stated that it says that he has 7.85 square feet in the glazed area of glass, which is far
more than the 5.7. Mr. Vier responded he thought the window he put in far exceeded what had
to be done. Ms. Shaff responded if it cranked out sideways, that would be more than sufficient.
Mr. Vier asked how that is secure with a girl living in that unit. Ms. Shaff responded the code
does not address that. It will take some research, but there are code compliant ways to secure the
window.
Ms. Moermond asked if there is another way to open the window. Mr. Vier responded they pop
out. He asked could it just not open up. Ms. Shaff responded it is not acceptable that it goes up
with glass over someone's head.
Ms. Moermond stated she will think about this issue and get back to the owner with her decision.
On April 8, 2009, Ms. Moermond reviewed the file and recommended granting a variance for the
ea ess windows in unit 6.
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5. Appeal of Miao Chen to a Certificate of Occupancy Deficiency List for property at 1634
Hovt Avenue East.
Leanna Shaff reported that the window is 33 inches of openable width and 23 inches of openable
height. It is an inch shy of the code requirement.
Ms. Moermond recommended granting a one inch variance on the window height.
6. Appeal of Pete Vitalli to a Certificate of Occupancy Deficiency List for property at 674
Smith Avenue
Ms. Shaff reported tlus was a Certificate o£ Occupancy inspection and that the actual address is
674 Smith. The window measurement is 22 inches high by 24 wide.
Pete Vitalli appeared.
Ms. Moermond recommended granting a two inch variance on the window height.
Appeal of Terry Fransen to a Certificate of Occupancy Deficiency List for property at
1340 Stillwater Avenue
Ms. Shaff reported that Inspector Jackie Girling did a Certificate of Occupancy inspection on
March 13, 2009. For bedroom 1, the windows are 18 '/� inches openable width and 26 in height,
which gives a shortfall of 1%2 inches in width. In bedroom 2: 22 high by 19 %2 wide.
Ms. Moermond recommended granting a one and one-half inch variance for the windows in
bedroom 1. She asked for a description on bedroom 2 windows.
Terry Fransen, owner, asked if that is the southwest window as he was not there during the
inspection. He said that there are three rooms upstairs and he was not sure if that is the right
window. The room upstairs is really small and is under 10 by 10. Ms. Shaff responded that the
minimum bedroom size is 70 square feet. If they are really small, they do not count them.
Mr. Fransen said that he will look and measure it.
Ms. Shaff asked who was with Inspector Girling. Mr. Fransen responded the tenant was there.
Ms. Moermond stated this is very close. As for granting a variance in this situation, the window
does not have any width to compensate for the shortage in height.
Ms. Shaff asked if the windows are vinyl or wood. Mr. Fransen responded they were there
when he purchased the house and was not sure.
Ms. Moermond stated she would like to see photographs of this window and would especially
like to see what is going on at the top af the window.
Mr. Fransen stated that he received no money for March although his tenant is there. When this
started, he did not think this was going to be an issue as he believed he akeady had a certificate
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of occupancy. When he started digging for it, he didn't have anything on this one. He got
nothing for March, and didn't get anything for April. Ms. Moermond responded that they will
figure this out internally and will tallc to Section 8. Ms. Shaff added that the owner should also
talk to Inspector Girling.
Ms. Moermond recommended laying this matter over to April 14.
On April 8, 2009, Ms. Moermond reviewed the documents submitted by Mr. Fransen and
recommended b anting a variance for the egress windows for bedroom 2.
Appeal of Matt Mazanec, on behalf of Case Avenue Partners LLC, to a Certificate of
Occupancy Deficiency List for property at 1426 Case Avenue.
9. Appeal of Matt Mazanec, on behalf of Case Avenue Partners LLC, to a Certificate of
Occupancy Deficiency List for property at 1436 Case Avenue.
1426 Case — Ms. Shaff reported that Inspector Ricketson did a certificate of occupancy
inspection and indicated that the sleeping room windows in Units 1, 2, and 3 are 47 inches wide
by 16 '/x inches high.
Ms. Moermond stated that it also says 12 inches high in some places and 47 inches wide. Ms.
Shaff responded that is a surprise to her as that information in not in the inspector's notes.
Matt Mazanec, owner, appeared and stated that the windows have tabs and it has to be pushed in
so that it can be opened additionally. They also tilt out. PHA had approved him to put
instnzctions on the windows to approve them. Ms. Moermond responded they are not okay
anymore. Those windows have to be replaced or they cannot be used for sleeping room egress.
Mr. Mazanec is assuming the upper units would be okay for a variance because they are not
garden level.
Ms. Moermond denied a variance on these windows, as she has never done a variance on less
than 19 inches in openable height.
Mr. Mazanec stated that these issues came about for a Section 8 re-inspection. They are due for
rent abatement today. If he can have some type of deferred request to haue these placed in,
Section 8 will be alright with deferred maintenance for windows. Ms. Moermond responded she
will give him 90 days to replace the windows.
1436 Case — Ms. Shaff reported that they would support a variance in all units far 19 %z inches
wide by 33 high.
Ms. Moermond recommended granting a variance on the egress windows for 1436 Case Avenue.
She recommended denying the appeal and granting an extension of 90 days to come into
compliance on the egress windows for 1426 Case Avenue.
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10. Appeal of Bebe Jacque to a Certificate of Occupancy Deficiency List for property at 928
Grand Avenue
Ms. Shaff reported that Inspector A.7. Neis went to the property on an electrical hazard. The
appellant is appealing Item 4: All appliances and power strips with a grounded connection must
be plugged directly in to a grounded outlet.
Tun Coenen, appellant, stated that there are grounded outlets. There are one or two outlets per
apartment for the whole building. Someone put a three prong adapter into a two prong outlet.
He is asking for a little time to get code compliant or asked for full upgrade. For a total upgrade,
it would be $90,000, which the owner wants to do. Ms. Shaff responded that the code does not
allow the prongs.
Mr. Coenen stated that all the adapters are fine. People over the years put in a two prong outlet.
He would like 30 to 60 days to become code compliant. The bids to become code compliant are
$5,000 to $15,000. The owner does not want to throw away this money if she plans to do the full
upgrade. There are GFCPs in the bathroom; some are in the kitchen. That was done about 15
years ago. Also, they do not want to pay the permit for 21 apartments to have an electrician go
in all of them. Half of the cost is permit cost. Then, they would like the inspectors to check the
electrical.
Ms. Moermond asked how much time they would like. Mr. Coenen responded 30 to 60 days to
come into code compliance. They would rather spend the money on the full upgrade for three to
six months range.
Ms. Moermond stated that this is basic and it was not brought up befare.
(Mr. Coenen gaue Ms. Moermond a list of all the units that need GFCI units.)
Mr. Moermond stated they do not have GFCPs in the kitchen. Mr. Coenen added that every
kitchen needs one at least and some need two. Ms. Shaff added that they cannot require that in
the kitchen unless there is remodeling or something breaks.
Ms. Moermond recommended denying the appeal and granting an extension for four and one-
half months to come into compliance.