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BE IT RESOLVED, that the Council of the City of Saint Paul hereby certifies and approves the September 20,
2005, decisions of the Legislative Hearing Officer on Appeals of Letters of Deficiency, Correction Nofices,
Correction Orders, etc. for the following addresses:
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668 Fourth Street East Allen Woods
Decision: appeal denied on the Deficiency List dated August 18, 20Q5.
984 Albemarle Street Pierre Rhodes
Decision: variance granted to the Inspection Report dated August 17, 2005, to allow a maxunum of six
residents on the second floor for access to the second floor bathroom facilities.
624 James Avenue Tom Gallagher for Dadders Holding
Decision: appeal denied on the Correction Order on August 23, 2005.
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Approving the decision of the Legislative Hearing Officer on appeals of Letters of Deficiency, Correction Notices, and Correction
Orders for the following addresses: 668 Fourth Street East, 984 Aibemazle Street, and 624 James Avenue.
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NOTES OF THE LEGI3LATIVE HEt1RING
LETTERS OF DEFICIENCY, CORRECTION NOTICES, AND CORRECTION ORDERS
Tuesday, September 20, 2005
Koom 330 City Hall, 15 Kellogg Boulevazd West
Mazcia Moermond, Legislative Hearing O�cer
The hearing was called to order at 1:57 p.m.
STAFF PRESENT: Michael Cassidy, Neighborhood Housing and Property Improvement
(NHPn; Michael Urmann, Division of Fire Prevention; David Weisberg, License, Inspections,
Environment Protection (LIEP)
Appeal of Deficiency List at 668 Fourth Street East; owner: Allen W oods. (Division of Fire
Prevention)
Michael Urmann reported that the Fire Marshall's position on this is clear: the appeal was not
filed in a timely manner and should not be heard. The order being appealed is an August 18
letter.
Allen Woods stated that the inspectar indicated to him that the doors could be fixed. One of the
doors had a broken lock, and it was his impression that he could replace the lock. On the other
door, the tenant was locked out, disassembied the door, and Mr. Woods put it back together. He
thought he could get a variance for the original doors and leave them because it is a historic
building built in 1876. They are a little ornate, not real special, two inches thick, and he would
like to keep them on the building.
Ms. Moermond asked when was the follow-up inspection. Mr. Urmann responded August 18
was the last set of orders he sent out. The two units in question are 670 #1 and 672 #1. It is cleaz
the doors need to be replaced with approved one hour fire rated doors.
Mr. Woods stated there was a communication breakdown. He was under the assumption that the
repair would be okay originally. Then she came back and said he had to replace them. Mr.
Woods does not know why she indicated they had to be fixed.
Ms. Moermond asked to see the June 28 orders. She is seeing four separate tlungs on the doors.
(Note: the current Deficiency List mentions the original arders were dated June 28.)
Ms. Moermond looked at a document from Mr. Urmann and said the previous list has been
decreased. It clearly stated to replace the door with an approved one hour rated door. Mr.
Woods responded that the only thing wrong with the door is the strike plate, frame, throw, and
lock. He does not know why he cannot just repair it.
Ms. Moermond wondered is there a way to make the historic door a one-hour door. Mr. Urmann
responded there is no way to convert it. They were granting 20 minute fire rated door assembly
appeals if the door was maintained in good condition with no damage. As soon as it is damaged,
the inspector has been directed by the Fire Marshall to call the door out. Mr. Urmann feels there
was an appeal granted at one time far these doars if maintained in good condition with no
damage.
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Ms. Moermond recommends denying the appeal on the Deficiency List dated August 18, Z005.
The order is clean in this case on the fire rated doors.
Appeal of Inspection Report at 984 Albemarle Street; appellant: Pierre Rhodes. (LIEP)
David Weisberg reported this is an appeal of an inspection order dated 8-1-OS about bathroom
requirements. City Code Chapter 34, Rooming Requuements, says there should be one �
bathroom for every five residents with the bathroom on the same floor or adjacent floar. There is
a bedroom and bathroom in the basement, three bedrooms and a bathroom on the second floor,
and no bedrooms nor bathrooms on the first floor. Each of the bathrooms can accommodate five
people on that floor. If there are going to be more than five residents on the second floor, there
needs to be a second bathroom on the second floor or a bathroom on the first floor. The
bathroom in the basement is more than one floor away so it cannot be used to satisfy the
requirement.
Pierre Rhodes reported this is a group home for boys. They applied recently for a vaziance to
have eight boys. They are considered disabled. There are two boys in the basement, although it
can house four. They would like a vaziance for ten boys
Ms. Moermond asked how many they can accommodate on the second floor Mr. Rhodes
responded there aze five there right now. He is looking for a variance for one person off the
bathroom requirement. They are 10 to 17 years of age. The younger boys stay downstairs.
Ms. Moermond granted a vaziance from the Inspection Report dated August 17, 2005, to aliow
six boys for the second floor bathroom, but no more than six boys.
Appeal of Correction Order at 624 James Avenue; owner: Tom Gallagher for Dadders
Holding. (NFIPI)
Ms. Moermond stated the appeal is regazding tall grass and weeds, furniture on sidewalk, and an
entertainment hutch, that was picked up by the Epilepsy Foundation.
Mike Cassidy reported the tall grass and weeds are cut.
(Mr. Cassidy showed photographs to Ms. Moermond and Mr. Gallagher.)
Mr. Cassidy stated he did not know the hutch was going to be picked up.
Mr. Gallagher explained that 80% of the properry in quesfion is not his property. The tall weeds
does not belong to them. It is R& H Motors that owns the building adjacent.
(Mr. Gallagher explained by using the photograph what part is owned by him.) Mr. Cassidy
stated he thought it was established that the properiy behind the house is Mr. Gallagher's, to
which Mr. Gallagher responded it wasn't.
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Mr. Cassidy asked was it his tenants that threw stuff out there. Mr. Gallagher responded he does
not know. He hires a lawn service to maintain all the properties. Appazently, they were doing
the boulevard there and not going along the side.
(Ms. Moermond viewed a diagram.) Mr. Cassidy stated he thought it was measured out. The
work is done. He will get the plat map and make sure everything is cohesive.
Ms. Moermond asked what he is looking for. Mr. Gallagher responded he is riying to get
clarification on the excessive consumption. Mr. Cassidy responded that is for failuze to maintain
an exterior structure, which was sent out June 2004. He checked this morning, and everything is
done except for the second floor exit. Mr. Gallagher responded there is a two-by-four screwed in
across the door. It always was secured. Mr. Cassidy stated there was never any communication
about that. The steps are repaired, the siding is repaired. (Note: the excessive consumption
issues are not part of this appeal.)
Mr. Gallagher asked what he is supposed to do with the excessive consumption. Ms. Cassidy
added that Mr. Gallagher was sent a$75 noncompliance bill for not finishing the exterior work.
Ms. Moerxnond responded she did not see that and it was not covered in the appeal.
Ms. Moermond asked was precipitated the inspector going out on the tall grass. Mr. Cassidy
responded a reinspection date for trash in the exterior that was removed when he got there.
Ms. Moermond stated it looks like the tall grass and weeds did exist, if only in that narrow area
part of 644 James. The furniture was picked up right away. She is looking at a question about
whether the Correction Order was written or not. The conditions did exist. She has nothing in
front of her for the excessive consumption, and she would look at that in the excessive
consumption assessment appeal process. Her understanding is that there would not be any
negative repercussions far not paying it. Mr. Gallagher responded his concern is revocation of
his rental registration.
Mr. Gallagher stated he does not want to be in the nature of letting inspectors into a11 his rental
properties. If thaYs the case, responded Mr. Cassidy, he would like to see the door taken out and
siding put over the opening.
Mr. Gallagher stated that he does not want the inspector in his house to see, for example, an
extension coxd or a cracked outlet cover, and ali of a sudden the house has to be made code
compliant. Mr. Cassidy responded he is right.
Mr. Gallagher stated that Mr. Cassidy said earlier it is okay if the doar is secured from the inside
if he could get in there. But, securing it from the outside make more sense because no one can
take it off from the inside. The door opens out.
Mr. Cassidy asked is he against putting siding over it and finishing it off. Mr. Gallagher
responded he is against the fact that it will cost a lot more money and pulling permits. He is
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trying to figure out a way to do this without trying to match the siding. Taking the door out and
trying to re-side it does not seem reasonable. He asked about putting four two-by-fours across it
with square headed squares to make it impossible to open. It has been like this for 30 years. If
there is a way that can be assured that it will not open, responded Mr. Cassidy, he could go along
with it.
Mr. Gallagher asked about painted plywood. Mr. Cassidy responded he will go along with that.
When Mr. Gallagher asked if he could get a week, Mr. Cassidy responded yes.
Ms. Moermond stated the appeal is denied on the Correction Order dated August 23, 2005.
The hearing was adjourned at 2:28 p.m.
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