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BE IT RESOLVED, that the Council of the City of Saint Paul hereby certifies and approves the April 13, 2004,
decisions of the Legislative Hearing Officer on Appeals for Letters of Deficiency, Correction Notices, and
Correction Orders for the following addresses:
Pronert�Ap ep aled
OF SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA
A�pellant
839 Seventh Street East Ciarence J. (Sam) Thole, Owner
Decision: Extension granted to September 1, 2004 on Deficiency list dated February 18, 2004.
1408 Arcade Street Doreen Rued, Appellant
Decision: Appeal denied on Deficiency List dated February 24, 2004.
735 Fuller Avenue Jasbir Arora, Ovv�ier
Decision: Appeal denied on Conection Order dated March 16, 2004.
989 Central Avenue West Philmina Thompson, Owner
Decision: Appeal denied on Correction Notice dated Mazch 16, 2004.
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Action Requested:
Approving the April 13, 2004, decisions ofthe Legislafive Heazing Officer on Letters of Deficiency, Correcrion Notices, and Correcrion
Orders for the following addresses: 839 Seventh 5treet East, 1408 Arcade Street, 735 Fuller Avenue, and 989 Cenhal Avenue West.
Recommendations: Approve (A) or Rejed (R): Personal Service Contracts Must Answer the Following Questions:
Planning Commission 1, Has this person/firtn ever worked under a contract for this department?
CIB Committee Yes No
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NOTES OF THE LEGISLATIVE HEARING
LETTERS OF DEFICIENCY, CORRECTION NOTICES & CORRECTION ORDERS
Tuesday, Apri113, 2003 -130 p.m.
Room 330 City Hall, 15 Kellogg Boulevazd West
Mazcia Moermond, Legislative Hearing Officer
The hearing was called arder at 1:30 pm.
STAFF PRESENT: Mike Urmann, Office of Fire Prevention; and Jean Birkholz, City Council
Offices.
OTHERS PRESENT: Clarence (Sam) and Jeff Thole, 839 East 7"' Street and Jasbir Arora, 735
Fuller Avenue.
839 Seventh Street East
Clarence (Sam) Thole and his son, Jeff, appeared.
Ms. Moermond asked Mr. Thole to explain his appeal.
Mr. Thole stated that they aze a fourth generation firm on the East Side. They have been in
continuous operation on the 800 block of Seventh Street for over seventy-five (75) years.
Regarding the building under question, approxunately fi8een (15) years ago it was rehabbed
under a federal UDAG grant in conjunction with 3M. Everything was brought up to code at that
tune. Since that fime, the building has been occupied by the same tenant(s) doing the same
functions. Until one (1) year ago, there were never any citations/sanctions other than two (2) past
due fire extinguishers and some equipment in front of a mirror. Mr. Thole explained that the
deficiency list has been taken care of except for Exterior-SPLC 34.09 (1) b,c, 3432 (1) b,c, either
a fire or safety hazard which they don't understand how or why that would be a fire or a safety
hazard.
Mr. Urmann said that he was made aware of this case this morning because the commexcial
supervisor wasn't able to attend today. He may not have history of the building however, his
reseazch through the file shows that this Order was actually issued on June 26, 2003 so, he
believes that the appeal is not timely and should not be heard. IY s not within the ten (10) days
required by the City Ordinance. Mr. Thole responded that in June of 2003 there was a fire in the
building and they were not allowed to reoccupy the building until after Labor Day 2003. Even if
they had agreed with the violation, by the time they had hired contractors after getting the
building fit to move back in, winter had set in, and it would not be a good idea to do brick or
tuckpointing in the middle of winter.
Ms. Moermond stated that the problem is that this Order is re-listed as of February 18, 2004. She
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asked staff to describe the specific violations. Mr. Urmann explained that these aze exterior
violations in terms of exterior up-keep. He said that he was out at the site today and took
photographs. There aze holes in the brick wall; a header above the front door looks like iY s
deteriorated and damaged; some exterior wood surfaces are rotting, peeling and broken; and
some exterior stucco is cracked, and some places, missing. He has no doubt that it was brought
up to code fourteen (14) yeazs ago; however, now it needs work. The original Order was issued
on June 26, 2003, again on September 9, 2003, October 9, 2003, November 10, 2003, and lasfly,
on February 18, 2004. The same Order has been in place for almost six (6) months. Mr. Thole
didn't understand how this can be classified as a safety issue. Mr. Urmann explained that this is
classified under the Property Maintenance Code, not under the Fire Code.
Mr. Thole had another issue: discrimination - because they're a small business. He showed some
pictures of a building a block away from them at 3M in bad condition, and they weren't cited.
Mr. Urmann explained that he cannot tell what the condition of that building is or whether
there's Orders on it because he hasn't looked into that building. This meeting is in regard to Mr.
Thole's building not any other. He stated that he will go to look at that building later today since
Mr. Thole brought it to his attention. Mr. Thole insisted that he wanted to know why 3M is not
being cited if they're being cited. Ms. Moermond stated that this hearing is to talk only about
Mr. Thole's property. This type of structure is inspected every three (3) years. The fire triggered
inspections, too. With respect to how other buildings are handled, if they are residential
buildings with three (3) ar more units or any kind of a business, they will be inspected once every
year, once every two (2) yeazs or once every three (3) years. The other cases are complaint cases,
which the City checks out. She noted that Mr. Thole has a complaint about another property with
similaz code violations that the City has not been awaze of. The Office of Fire Prevention
inspects more than just the state's fire code that the City has adopted by reference. They are also
authorized to do other kinds of inspections for code or make the appropriate reference to other
inspectors within the City, if they see the need to do that.
Ms. Moermond, reading Mr. Thole's materials, saw that a major chain drug company has made a
proposal for the purchase of the properiy and Mr. Thole is waiting for a response. Mr. Thole
acknowledged that was another ongoing issue. The people from Walgreen's have been dealing
with that corner on and off for three (3) years. The activity of the Phalen Corridor has seemed to
renew their interest. They made an offer shortly before the first of the yeaz. At tlus point, there
is no resolution. Ms. Moermond asked if that would involve the demo of this property. Mr.
Thole responded that is would, so why put money into the building that would be torn down in
the near future? Ms. Moermond asked how long these negotiations have been going on. Mr.
Thole replied since December 27, 2003. Mr. Urmann noted that he had been informed by the
commercial supervisor this moming that these negotiations have been going on and off again for
the last three (3) years. There is no sagned Purchase Agreement, no signed specific dated time
where the City could shoot for a goal. If the City had those issues, the City would deal with
those issues. Mr. Thole stated that there have been verbal conversations for the past three (3)
years, and he does have a firm Purchase Agreement dated December 27, 2003. He added that
another part of whaYs going on is that they have a tenant who would be out of a lease (the tenant
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has a lease that extends beyond the time that they may want to acquire the building). There's
discussions as to who would buy out his lease.
Ms. Moermond noted that this seems to be a very protracted kind of situation. She stated that she
is looking for a time certain when Mr. Thole has committed to sell the building or to have the
exterior maintenance completed. Mr. Thole asked if the date June 1 or 15, 2004 could be set to
begin the work. Mr. Ilrmann added that a date certain is what is needed from the appellant. In
this case, they should be working that out with Fire Prevenfion because the appeal is basically
uxlawful because of the length of time.
Ms. Moermond explained that extensions of time can be worked out through the appeai process.
Whether ar not the appeal should have been accepted and processed is another thing. She
recommends giving the appellant untii September 1, 2004 to get the building fixed or be sold.
Ms. Moermond added that the Correction Order is attached to the property, so the new owner
wi11 need to know that this is an outstanding Order.
735 Fuller Avenue
Ms. Jasbir Arora appeared.
Ms. Arora explained the reason for her appeal: the trash from a neighbor's fire was out in the
yard. Whoever did the inspection could not tell from one property line to the other and both of
them were billed Ms. Arora does not want to be responsible for her neighbar's trash.
Ms. Moermond suggested that Ms. Arora get a sutveyor out to properly divide her property more
cleazly from her neighbor's property. Ms. Arora displayed a photo showing where the vague
property line is. A fence seems to be the property line. Ms. Moermond added that even if
someone else dumps on your property, you are responsible for it. Then, it's a matter of pursuing
them for the damages that you incurred. Ms. Moermond stated that since the inspectar is not
here today, she will ca11 the inspector to see what the situation is from his perspective. She will
call Ms. Arara in three (3) or four (4) days to let her know how it turns out.
Ms. Moermond recommends denying the appeal.
989 Central Avenue West
No one appeared.
Ms. Moermond recommends denying the appeal.
1408 Arcade Street
No one appeared. Ms. Moermond indicated the appellant had asked to reschedule the hearing to
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April 27, 2004 due to illness.
Mr. Urmann introduced photographs he took of the properiy. They showed a very narrow stair
and walk way, a blocked exit, cluttered with stuff, which presents a significant life safety issue.
Ms. Moerxnond asked Mr. Urmann about enforcement. Mr. Urmann reported that they had
already met with the appeliant and toid them what they would have to do in terms of a life safety
issue - just basically, move it. The division would take action of either a citafion or
condeznnation if there's no progress made. Ms Moermond noted that even if action were taken
today, there's no way that it could be cleaned up by the end of the day. Mr. Urmann reminded
her that the appellant has already had almost thirty (30) days. He suggested that ten (10) days to
comply would be reasonable.
Ms. Moermond said that she will recommend denying the appeal, if the situation is not corrected
within eight (8) days.
The hearing was adjourned at 1:50 p.m.
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