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RESOLUTION
CITY OF SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA
Presented By
Referred To
Whereas, the HPC conducted a public hearing on the said application on September 25,
2003, where all interested parties were given an opportunity to be heard after having provided
notice to affected property owners; and
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2 Whereas, Real Estate Development Crroup (hereinafter, the "REDG"), made application
3 to the Heritage Preservation Commission (hereinafter, the "HPC") in HPC file No. 03-398, for a
4 demolition pemut to raze a dwelling and detached gazage located at the address commonly
5 known as 358 Marshall located in the Hill Historic District; and
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Whereas, at the close of the hearing, the HPC denied the application based upon all the
testimony and records before it, including the foliowing findings set forth in HPC Resolution No.
03-398, required under Legislative Code 73.06(i):
1. To approve a demolition permit at this time would not be appropriate given the
lack of information regazding the viability of the structure. Detailed structural
information, rehabilitation costs and a feasibility study [were] not included as part
of the application.
Committee: Date
2. Apartment building were late arrivals in the Summit-Hiil neighborhood and
they were largely built to expand the income base as rental properties. As early as
1901, Summit Avenue had restrictions regarding the construction of apartment
buildings in order to maintain the neighborhood's character of single family
homes. A factor why the neighborhood was not totally lost to apartment buildings
was because the early apartment boom was restricted to two periods: 1901 and the
1920's. The character of the neighborhood would be compromised if this scale of
house were lost on a lot by lot bases and replaced by monolithic apartment
buildings.
3. The design of this house is typical of a pattern book example from the mid-
1880's. This type of house was once very common in the neighborhood and were
often the first to disappear.
Whereas, on ar about September 28, 2003, REDG, pursuant to L,eg. Code 73.06(h), duly
filed an appeal from the decision of the HPC and requested a public hearing for the purpose of
considering the action taken by the HPC; and
Whereas, on October 22, 2003, a public hearing was duly conducted by the City Council
where all interested parties were given an opportunity to be heard; and
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2 Whereas, the City Council, having heard the statements made and having considered the
3 application,
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the testimony, the report of staff, and the record, minutes and resolution of the HPC;
6 Resolve, that the HPC erred in denying the demolition pernut application as the
7 application submitted met the requirements of Leg. Code 73.06(i)(2); and be it
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9 Further Resolved that the appeal of REDG is hereby granted, subject to the condition that
10 the demolition pemut shall issue upon the issuance of a building permit for the new development
11 proposed on the site by REDG; and be it
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13 Finally Resolved, that the clerk shall mail a copy of this resolution to the HPC, L.IEP and
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Peter Wamer 0 icense/[os eMiodEoviron Pro
266-8710 puiyn 1 icenseJfns ection/EnvironPro De artmeutDirector
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Adion Requested•
Council approval of a resolution memorializing City Council action which overturned a decision of the HPC regazding a demoliGon
permit to raze a dwelling and detached gazage located at 358 Marshail.
Rewmmendations: Approve (A) or Reject (R): Personal Service Contracts Must Answer the Following Questions:
Planning Commission 1. Has this personlfirm ever worked under a contrad for this department?
CIB Committee Yes No
Civil Service Commission 2. Has this personlfirm ever been a city employee?
Yes No '
3. Does this person/firm possess a skill not normaily passessed by any
curcent city employee? -
Yes No
Explain all yes answers on separate sheet and attach to green sheet
Initiating Problem, Issues, Opportunity (Who, What, When, Where, Why):
Jn Setember 25, 2003 HPC denied the permit to raise the structure at 358 Marshall. On October 22, 2003 apublic hearing was conducted
by the City Council which over-turned the HPC's decision. This resolutian memorializes that action and grants 358 Marshall permission
to destroy the dwelling and detached gazage located there.
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CITY OF SA71VT PAUL
R¢ndy C. Kelly, Mayor
September 29, 2003
Ms. Mary Erickson
City Council Research Office
Room 310 City Hall
Saint Paul, MN 55102
Dear Ms. Erickson:
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I would like to confirm that a public heazing before the City Council is scheduled for Wednesday,
October 22, 2003 for the following heritage preservarion case:
Appellant(s)
File Number:
Real Estate Development Group
HPCO3-398
Purpose: Appeal of a Heritage Preservarion Commission decision denying a
demolition perxnit application to raze the house and garage at 358 Marshall
Avenue in order to construct a six story 68-unit condominium building.
Location:
Staff
Recommendation:
Commission
358 Marshall Avenue (Hill Historic District)
Approval of the demolition permit application, contingent on approval by
the HPC and issuance of a building permit for the proposed new
construction.
Denied on a vote of 5 to 2 with 2 abstentions.
I have confirmed this date with the office of Council Member Jerry Blakey. My understanding is that this
public hearing request will appear on the agenda of the City Council at your earliest convenience and that
you will publish nofice of the hearing in the Saint Paul Legal Ledger. Thanks! �
Please call me at 266-9079 if you have any questions.
Sincerely,
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Amy Spong
Historic Preservation 5pecialist
CC: Council Member Jerry Blakey
AppellanUowner, Real Estate Development Group
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ENVlRONMENTAL PROTEC770N
Janeen E. Rosas, Direcior
LOWAYPROFESSIONALBUILlDNG Telephone:612-266-900I
350StPeterStreet Facsimile: b11-266-9099
SuiEe 300
SaintPaul,Minnesota 55102-ISID
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the appeal of Real Estate Development
Gmup to a decision of the Heiitage Aies-
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tioa`permit application to reze t,he houae
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�Is. Amy Spoag
Saint Paul Heritage Preservazion Commission
Go Office of License, Inspecrions and Environmental Protection
350 Samt Peter Street, Suite 3Q� '
Samt Paul, MN 55102-1510
Re: Appeal to vote 2o deny demolitian pemut for 358 Marshall Avenue by fiPC
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Dear Ms. Spong: '
This letter is intended to put the Ciry of St. Paut on notice t6at my company will be appealing the decision
by St. Paui Heritage Preservation Commission ("HPC"), to the St. Paul Ciry Council.
Our grounds for appeal include, but are not liauted to the followiug
(1) The HPC voted to deny tt�e demolition peimit based on the findings that were without mezit
aod went aaainc the staff report, a report that is required by Section 73.06 (j)(2) of the St.
Paul Legislative Code as .it relates to this demo6iion applicafion;
(2) That despite the fact that the HPC agreed with the staff report on the economic value or ;
usefuiness for the huilding as it now exists, it still voted to deny the demnlition permit, attd
created additionai foiiow- s� ' ivai i� wr�aui u�er��;
(3) That ihe HPC finding concerning the "arcliitecturat and histnrical merit of the building" was
arbihary and capricious; '
(4) The HPC made findings for the demolition permit based on irreIevant and azbivary
infomxaaoq instead of focusing on the findings required by Section 73.06 (j)(2) of the St;
Paul Legislative Code.
For the above reasons, and others that wilt be further discussed at the time of our appeal, Real Estate
Development G%�aRpeals the denial of iu demoliuon permit by the HPC.
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Randy C. Kelly, M¢yor
September 29, 2003
Ms. Mary Erickson
Cily Council Reseazch Office
Room 310 City Hall
Saint Paul, MN 55102
Dear Ms. Erickson:
OFFICEOFLICENSE, INSPECTlONSAND
EM'IRONMENTAL PROTECTTON
Janeen E. Rosas. D "vector
LOYi'RY PROFESSIONAL B UILIDNG
350 St Peter Street
Suite 300
SaintPaul, Minnesota �5102-ISIO
Telephone: 67?-266-9001
Facsimile: 612-266-9099
I would like to confirm that a public heazing before the City Council is scheduled for Wednesday,
October 22, 2003 for the following heritage preservation case:
Appellant(s):
File Number:
Real Estate Development Group
HPCO3-398
Pwpose: Appeal of a Heritage Freservation Commission decision denying a
demolition permit applicarion to raze the house and garage at 358 Marshall
Avenue in order to construct a six story 68-unit condominium building.
Location:
Staff
Recommendation:
Commission
358 Mazshall Avenue (Hill Historic District)
Approval of the demolirion permit applicarion, contingent on approval by
the HPC and issuance of a building pernu2 for the proposed new
construction.
Denied on a vote of 5 to 2 with 2 abstentions.
I have confirmed this date with the office of Council Member Jerry Blakey. My understanding is that this
public hearing request will appear on the agenda of the City Council at yow earliest convenience and that
you will publish nofice of the hearing in the Saint Paul Legal Ledger. Thanks!
Please call me at 266-9079 if you have any questlons.
Sincerely,
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Amy Spong
Historic Preservation Specialist
CC: Council Member Jerry Blakey
AppellanUowner, Real Estate Development Group
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CITY OF SAINT PAYJL
Randy G Kelly, M¢yor
MEMORANDUM
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DATE:
OFFICE OF LICENSE, INSPECITONS AND
ENVIRONMENTALPROTECTION
Janeen E. Rosas, pirector
L04VRYPROFESSIONAL BUILDING
350 St. Peter Street
Suite 300
Saint P¢u[, Minnuot¢ 55102-1 SIO
Telepfione: 651-266-9090
Facsimile:657-266-9099
City Councilmembers
Peter Warner, CAO
Wendy Lane, LIEP
Amy Spong, HPC staff
HPC appeal for 358 Marshall Avenue, Hill Historic District
October 14, 2003
The following attachments highlight the events that have taken place and relate to HPC review of
the permit application to raze the structure and garage at 358 Marshall Avenue in the Hill
Historic District:
ATTACHMENT 1(pages Al-1 to A1-16)
The application materials were submitted and include an HPC application form, letter from owners
Real Estate Development Group, and several eachibits.
ATTACHMENT 2(pages A2-17 to A2-24)
The HPC resolution which was adopted on October 9, 2003 and the written order to the applicant
is attached. The staff report includes the guidelines for review, the findings and recommended
approval of the application.
ATTACHMENT 3(pages A3-25 to A3-30)
The approved minutes ofthe September 25, 2003 public hearing meeting that addresses the hearing
for 358 Marshall Avenue.
ATTACHMENT 4 (pages A4-31)
The request for an appeal by owners and applicants Real Estate Development Group.
ATTACHMENT 5(pages AS-32 to AS-48)
Testimonies received in writing for the September 25, 2003 HPC meering to supplement oral tesrimony.
Letter of support from Mayor Randy Kelly
Charles Senkler, business owner, support
Summit University Planning Council, concerned, needs more information
Vernon Harms, Board of Directors ChrisYs Household of Faith, opposition
Barb & Chuck Gudknecht, opposition
Cynthia Holton, 464 Marshall, opposition to proposed new building
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358 Mazshall appeal
October 14, 2003
Susan Ciarke, opposition to proposed new building
Kate Bradford, 221 Mackubin, opposition to proposed new building
Brita Kulach, 530 Mazshall, opposition
Teresa Tierney, 473 Marshall, opposition to proposed new building
Erika Perrault, 463 Marshall, opposition to proposed new building
Sally Rubinstein, 442 Dayton, opposition
Lara Duddingston, 443 Holly, opposition
Theresa Upchurch, North Star Consultants, 447 Marshall, opposition
Fran Jackson, 447 Marshall #6, opposition to proposed new building
Mike Schuxnann, opposition to proposal
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C/o Office ofLicense, Inspections and Environmental Prctection
35D Saint Peter Street, Suite 300
Saint Paul, MN 55102
Phone: (651) 266-9078
HERITAGE PRESERVATION COMMISSION
DESIGN REVIEW APPLIi�ATION
This application must be completed in addiGon to the appropriate ciry permit application if the affected
property is an individually designated landmazk or located within an historic disttict. For applications that
must be reviewed by the Heritage Pieservation Commission refer to the HPC Meeting schedule for meefing
dates and deadlines.
Please check the cateQory that best describes the proposed work
❑ Repair/Rehabilitation ❑ Sign/Awning ❑ New Conshuction/Addition
❑ Moving ❑ FencefRetaining W all ❑ Concept Review Only
�Demolition ❑ Other
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Completely describe ALL exterior changes being proposed for the progerty. Include
changes to architectural details such as windows, doors, siding, railings, steps, trim, roof,
foundarion or porches. Attach speciticafions for doors, windows, lighting and other
features, if applicable, including color and material samples.
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**INCOMPLETE APPLICATIONS WILL TSE RETURNED**
ARE THE NECESSARY ATTACEIMENTS AND INFORMATION INCLUDED?
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Will any federal money be used in this project?
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REAL ESTATE DEVELOPI'VIENT GROUP
September 8, 2003
Ms. Amy Spong
Saint Paul Heritage Preservation Commission
C/o Office of License, Inspecrions and Environmental Protect.on
350 Saint Peter Street, Suite 300
Saint Paul, MN 55102-1510
Re: Narrarive Addressing Findings For The Demolition Of 358 Marshall Avenue
Dear Ms. Spong:
As you are aware, we have applied for a demolition permit for 358 Marshall Avenue, which is
part of the Saint Paul Heritage Preservation District. After meering with you on August 26,
2003, I would like to comment on each of the four findings thGt you will be required to make as
part of the Section 73.Q6 (j)(2) of the St_ Paul Legislative Code as it relates to this demolition
application.
As stated in the Code, in the case of the proposed demolihon of a building, prior to approval oY
said demolifion, the commission shall make written findings o:� the following:
(1) The architectural and historical merit of the building;
(2) The effect of the demolition on surroundmg buildmgs;
(3) The effect of any proposed new construcrion on tl:e remamder of the buildmg (mc
case of partial demolirion); and,
(4) The econosnic value or usefulness of the building as it now exists, or if altered or
modified in comparison with the value of usefulness of any proposed structures
designate to replace the present building or buildings.
I would like to comment on each of the four findings below as part of our application.
(1) In terms of the architectural and historical merit of the liui�ding, I understand that this is a
finding that you will make based on your historical data ar.d research. For your information,
our research has not found any data suggesting that the builders, residents or other
individuals associated with the duplex at 358 Marshall Avenue had a contributing role to the
St. Paul Heritage Preservation District. `
(2) I expect that the entire shucture of the duplex and the detar,hed garage would be demolished
andlor moved to another site. Since the duplex is a free standing structure, I expect the
demolition of the building to have no adverse effect on the adjoining propert�es.
(3) Since this is not a partial demolition, this finding does not apply.
(4) We examined the value of using the building as a continued renta} versus demolition and
replacing it with our proposal for a 68 unit for sale condominium project. Here is my
analysis of the economic value and usefulness of the Duplex as it stands today.
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Navrative Addressin2 Findin2s For The Demolition Of 358 Marshall Avenue '
Each of the units in the duplex located at 358 Mazshall Ave, contains two bedrooms and one
bathroom. The building is an Up/Down configuration wif� a common basement and
common detached garage.
The building has a gross potential rent on an annual basis �f $19,824.00 with zero vacancy.
Expenses for the building include all of the following items:
Insurance: $1,374.00
. Gas Heat: $1,896.00
. Properry TaYes: $2,550.00
. Repairs / Maintenance $3,500.00
. Trash Removal: $720.00
. Lawn/Snow: $900.00
. Supplies: $250.00
. Management Fee: $991.20
The total expenses on an annual basis are $12,181.20.
The value of an income producing property is based upon the Net Operahng Income that the
property is capable of producing. The Net Operating Income (NOn of 358 Marshall Ave. is
$7,642.80. Investors will apply a capitalization rate of 9%-10% and apply it to the NOI and
anive at a value. Using this common analysis, 358 Marshall has an economic value of
$76,000 -$85,000.
There are many capital improvements that are needed and much d�ffered mamtenance lefr
over from the previous owner. The heating plant in the building is over SOyrs old and is in
need of replacement. The roof of the building is over 15yi s old and is m need of
replacement. The plumbing throughout the building is a nxixture of old galvanized pipe,
]ead, and newer copper. The water pressure throughout th'e building is poor. The previoue
owner had installed a pressurization pump to help with thi; issue, Uut the puinp no longer
works. The foundarion of the building has leaked in the past and is in need of tuck-pointmg.
The siding on the building is stucco over siding and the stucco is cracked and crumbling in
places. The lower level apartment is in need of a complete gut and remodel in order to
maintain occupancy. The electrical service in the building' is not up to code
All of these items are capital improvements that cost signi�, icant amounts of money (approx
$85,000) but don't directly impact the income of the propetty as a rental unit. The total cost
of the needed improvements is roughly equal to the econotnic value of the structure as rt
stands today.
With that in mind, we paid $250,000 for the duplex, three':imes the economic value of the
building. The means we over paid by approximately $165;000 for the building to improve
the building we would have to spend at a minimum, the entire economic value of the
building, or at least $85,Q00, increasing our loss to $25Q,QQ0, ar the complete value of what
we paid for the building. This financial analysis dictates that we find an alternative use for
the land, which in this case involves demolition of the duplex, and combining that land to
complete our 68 unit for sale condominium project, where the cost of the land can not only
be recouped by the project, but earn a reasonable economic return. .
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Narrative Addressin2 Fir:direps For Tke DemoZition Of358 Marskall Avenue '
As part of this application, I am also submitting the following exhibits to assist you in completmg
your written findings. E�ubits I-6 will help give you a detail�d overview of the duplex at 3�8
Marshall Avenue and the surrounding buildings.
E�ibits 7-8 are a preliminary elevarion and site for the 68-unit building we will be proposing for
this site and the adjoining site if our demolition application is approved. It is important to
remember that Exhibits 7-8 are preliminary and will involve stlbstantially more feedback and
changes as we continue through our approval processes and aoopt the comments of the Summit
University Planning Council and Ramsey Hill Associarion neighborhood groups, as well as the
Saint Paul Heritage Preservarion Commission, and St. Paul Zcaing and Planning Deparhnent.
Attached E�ibits
➢ Exhibit 1: Aistoric Hill Heritage Preservation District Map w/ Highlighted Project
Locarion
➢ Exhibit 2: Zoning Map w/ Highlighted Project Location
➢ Exhibit 3: Photographs of 358 Marshall Avenue
➢ Exhibit 4: Exisfing Conditions Site Plan
➢ Exhibit 5: Aerial Photograph (SK-8)
➢ Exhibit 6: Photographs of Surrounding Area/ Bwidmgs
➢ Exhibit 7: Westem and Marshall Proposed Prel�minary Exterior Elevations/ SiYe
Photograph
➢ Exhibit 8: Weatem and Mazshal1 Proposed Prelirr,inary Floor Plans/ Site Plan/ Unit
Breakdown
As part of this application narrative, I would also request that after you have had a chance to
complete your preliminary findings, that we have an opporiunity to meet with you again to
further comment on any areas that we may have missed, or tha� may require further information
or analysis on our part.
I want to personally thank you for taking the rime to consider our application, and we look
fon�ard to worldng with you on the successful completion of uvhat I believe will be a great
project for St. Paul, its residents and the St. Paul Heritage Preservation Commission.
Very fixly yours,
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Real Estate Development Group
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CITY OF SAINT PAUL
HERITAGE PRESERVATION COIVTD�IISSION RESOLUTION
FILE NUMBER 03-398
DATE September 25, 2003 (Adopted October 9, 2003)
WHEREAS, the Saint Paul Heritage Preservation Commission (fII'C) is authorized by Chapter 73 of the
Saint Paul Legislative Code to review pernut applicarions for exterior alterarions, new construcfion or
demolition on or wiYhin designated Heritage Preservafion Sites or ileritage Preservafion Dish and
WHEREAS, The Real Estate Development Group applied for a d°molition permit to raze the house and
garage at 358 Marshall Avenue in order to construct a six story 68-unit condominium building; and
WHEREAS, the structure at 358 Marshall Avenue is a two st,�ry Victorian Era house with stucco
walls and a cross gabled roof. An inventory form was not pr��sent in the file, however, the house
appears to have been constructed pre-1900. Despite many alterations over the years, some
remaining character defining features are decorative brackets and a two story bay with elaborate
cornice and bracketing on the west side. The front and side apen porches do not appear to be
part of the original design. The two bay house is asymmetrical with the main entrance offset; and
WHEREAS, the following is the citation in the City's Legislative Code conceming HPC review of
demolition permits:
Chapter 73, Herftage Preservation Commission; Section 73.06, Review of permits; Paragraph
{i), Factors to be considered; Before approving any permit application required under
paragraph (d) of this section to be approved by the heritage preservation commission, the
comrnission shall make fzndings based on the program for the preservation and architectural
control for the heritage preservation site in regard to the following:
(I) In the case of the proposed demolition ofa building, prior to approval afsaid demalition, the
commission shail make writ[en fenciings on the following:. the arckitectural and historical merit
of the building, the effect of the demolition on surrounding buildings, the effect of any proposed
new construction on the remainder of the building (in case of partial demolition) and on
surrounding buildings, and the economic value or usefulness of the building as it now exists or
if altered or modified in comparison with the value ar usefulness of any proposed structures
designated to r the present building or buildings i
WHEREAS, relevant portions of the Historic Hill Dzstrict Guidelines that pertain to the proposed
demolition inciude the following:
1. Every reasonable effort shall be made to provide a compatoble use for a property which requires
minimal alteration of the building, structure, or site and its environment, or to use a property for its
originally intended purpose.
Demalition
YVhen reviewing proposals for demolition of structures within lhe district, the Heritage Preservation
Commission refers to Section 73.06 (i)(2) of the Saint Paul Legislative Code which states the
following:
In the case of the proposed demolition of a building, prior to approval of said demolition, the
cammission sha11 make written findings on the following: the architectural and historical merit of
the building, the effect of the demolition on surrounding buildings, the effect of any proposed new
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construction an the remainder of the buiZding (in case of partial demoZition) and an surrounding
buildings, and the economic value or usefulness of the buiZding as it now exists or if altered or
modified iri comparison with the value or usefulness of any proposed siructures designated to
replace the present building or buildings; and
WHEREAS, the Saint Paul Heritage Preservarion Commission, based upon the evidence presented at its
September 25, 2003 public hearing on said proposal, made the fol..owing findings of fact concerning the
proposed demolition:
l. The economic value or usefulness of the buiZding as it now exists or if altered or modified in
comparison with the vaZue or usefulness of any proposed str�uctures designated to replace the present
building or buildings. To approve a demolition permit at this time would not be appropriate
given the lack of information regarding the viability of thv structure. Detailed structural
informarion, rehabilitation costs and a feasibility study w.3s not included as part of the
application.
2. The effect of the demolition on surrounding buildings. Apartment buildings were late arrivals in
the Summit-Hill neighborhood and they were largely bui�t to expand the income base as
rental properties. As eazly as 1901, Sutnmit Avenue had restrictions regarding the
construction of apartment buildings in order to maintain the neighborhood's character of
single family homes. A factor of why the neighborhood was not totally lost to apartment
buildings was because the early aparhnent boom was restricted to two periods: 1901 and the
1920s. The character of the neighborhood would be com �romised if this scale of house were
lost on a lot by lot basis and replaced by monolithic apartment buildings.
3. The architectural and historical merit of the build[ng. The design of this house is typical of a
pattern book example from the mid-1880s. This type of house was once very common in the
neighborhood and were often the first to disappear.
BE IT RESOLVED, that based on the above findings, the Heritage Preservation Commission denies
approval of the demolition permit to raze the house and garage at 358 Marshall Avenue.
MOVED BY Younkin
SECONDED BY R. Meyer
IN FAVOR 5
AGAINST 2
ABSTAIN 2
Decisions of the Heritage Preservation Commission are final, subject to appeal to the City Council within
14 days by anyane affected by the decision. This resolution does'.not obviate the need for meeting
applicable building and zoning code requirements, and does not �onsfitute approval for tax credits.
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OFFICE OF L•.CENSE, INSPECTtONS AND
ENVII20NMENTALPROTECTION
Janeen E. Rosus, Director
SAfNi
PAUL
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CITY OF SAIN I' PAUL
Randy C. Kelly, Mayar
LOYi'RYPROFESSIONAL BUZLDING
Suite 300
350 St PeterS!reet
Saint Paul, Minnesom 55702-I510
Telephone: 651-266-9090
Facsimile: 651-266-9099
September 29, 2003
Spiros Zotbalas
Real Estate Aevelopment Group
800 Franklin Avenue West
Minneapolis, MN 55405
Re: 358 Marshall Avenue, Hill Historic District
File #FIPCO3-398, demolition permit
Dear Mr. Zorbalas:
As you Imow, the Heritage Preservarion Commission (HPC) considered at its September 26,
2003 meefing your application to raze the property listed above. The commission voted 5 to 2
with 2 abstentions to deny yow application. This decision was based on the discussion at the
public hearing, public testimony and Fmdings made by the commission. A resolution will be
adopted by the HPC at the next regularly scheduled meeting on October 9, 2003 and the
resolution will be mailed to you after that date.
You or any aggrieved pariy has the right to appeal the Commiss�on's decision to the Saint Paul
City Council under Chapter 73 of the Saint Paul Legislative Coc9e. Such an appeal must be
filed within 14 days of the date of the FIPC's order and decision. Chapter 73 states:
(hJ Appeal to city counci[. The permit applicant or any party aggrieved by the decision of the
herit¢ge preservation commission shall, within fourteen (14) days ofthe date of the heritage
preservation commission's order and decision, have a right to appeal such order ¢nd decisian to
the city council. The appeal shall be deemed perfected upon receipt by the division ofplanning
[LIEP] oftwa (2) copies of a notice ofappeal and statement settingforth the graunds for the
appeal. The division ofplanning [LIEP] sha11 transmit one copy of the notice ofappeal and
statement to the city council and one copy to the heritage preservation commission. �he
commission, in any written order denying a permit application; shall advise the applicant ofthe
right to appeal to the city counci! and include this paragraph i,z all such orders.
Please feel free to call me at 651.266.9079 if you have any questions.
Sincerely,
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Amy Spong
Aistoric Preservation Specialist
ce: Collaborative Design Group
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CITY OF SAINT PAUL
HERITAGE PRESERVATION COMMISSION STAFF REPORT
FILE NAME: 358 Marshall Avenue
DATE OF APPLICATION: August 8, 2003
APPLICANT: Real Estate Development Group
DATE OF HEARING: September 25, 2003
HPC SITE/DISTRICT: Hill Historic District
CATEGORY: per findings, non-contributing
CLASSIFICATION: demolition permit
STAFF INVESTIGATION AND REPORT: Amy Spong '
DATE: September 16, 2003
A. SITE DESCffiPTION:
358 Mazshall Avenue is a two story Victorian Era house with scucco walls and a cross gabled roof.
An inventory foxm was not present in the file, however, the house appears to have been conshucted
pre-1900. Despite many alterations over the yeazs, some remaining character defining features are
decorative brackets and a two story bay with elaborate comice and bracketing on the west side. The
front and side open porches may have their original roofs but the railings and columns appear to
have been replaced. The two bay house is asymmetrical with the main entrance offset.
B. PROPOSED CAANGES:
The applicant is seeking approval to raze the two- and one-half story shucture and garage in order to
construct a six story condominium building on the property and adjoining vacant lots.
C. GUIDELINE CITATIONS:
Historic Hil[ District Guidelines
1. Every reasonable effort sha11 be made to provide a compatible use for a property which requires
minimal alteration of the building, structure, or- site and its environment, or to use a property for its
originally intended purpose.
Moving of Structures
Proposals for moving structures out of the Historic Hill Dzstrict are reviewed using the guidelines for
demolition. Propasals far moving structures onto property Zocazed within the district are reviewed
using the guidelines for new constructian as well as guidelines f��r restoration and rehabilitation.
Proposals for moving structures within the district are reviewed using guidelines for all of the above.
Demolition
When reviewing pvoposals for demolition ofstructures within the districf, the Heritage Preservation
Commission refers to Section �3.06 (I)(2) of the Saint Paul Legislative Code which states the following.
In the case of the proposed demolition of a building, prior to ap�rovat af said demolition, the
commission shall make written findings on the following.• the architectural and historical merit of the
building, the effect of the demolition on surrounding buildings, the effect of any proposed new
construction on the remainder of the building (in case of partial demolition) and on surrounding
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buildings, and the economic value or usefulness of the buidding as it now exists or if altered or modified
in comparison with the vatue or usefutness of any proposed structures designated to replace the present
buiZding or buildings.
SECRETARYOF THE INTERIOR'S STANDARDS FOR REHA BILITATION
D'utrictlNeighborhood
Recommended:
-Identifying, retaining, and preserving buildings, and streetscape, and Zandscape features which are
important in defining the overall historic character of the distri�t or neighborhood. Such features can
include streets, alleys, paving, walkways, street lights, sigrts, benches, parks and gardens, and trees.
-Retaining the historic relationship between buildings, and streetscape and Zandscape features such as a
[own square comprised of row houses and stores surrounding a communal park or open space.
-Pr and maintaining the historic masonry, wood, and architectural metals which comprise building
and streetscape features, through appropriate surface treatmenas such as cleaning, rust removal, limited
paint removal, and reapplication ofprotective coating systems; xnd protecting and maintaining
landscape features, includingplant material.
-Repairingfeatures of the buildirag, streetscape, or Zandscape by reinforcing the historic materials. Repair
will also generally include the replacemen[ in kind - or with a compatible substitute material - of those
extensively deteriorated or missing parts of features when there are surviving pratatypes such as porch
balustrades, paving materials, or street[ight standards.
-Replacing in kind an entire feature of the building, streetscape, or Zandscape that is too deteriarated to
repair - when the overall form and detailing are still evident - using the physical evidence to guide the
new work. This could include a storefront, a walkway, or a garden. If using the same kind of material
is not technically or economically feasible, then a compatible substitute material may be considered.
Alterations/Additioxs far the New Use
-Designing required new parking so that it is as unobtrusive as poss�ible, i.e., on side streefs or at the rear of
buildings. "Shared"parking should also be planned so that several business' can utilize one parking
area as oppased to introducing random, muZtiple lots.
-Designing and constructing new additions to histor•ic buildings when sequired by the new use. New work
should be compatible with the historic character of the district or neighborhood in terms of size, scale,
desigre, material, color, and texture.
-Removing nonsignificant buildings, additions, or streetscape and landscape features which detract from the
historic character of the district or the neighborhood.
Not Recommended:
-Removing or radically changing those features of the district or neighborhood which are important in
defzning the overall historic character so that, as a result, the character is diminished.
-Removing or relocating historic buildings, or featur•es of the streetscape and landscape, thus destroying the
historic relationship beriveen buildings, features dnd open spacE.
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-Faiting to undert¢ke adequate measures to assure the preservation of building, streetscape, and landscape
features.
-Removing a feature of the building, streetscape, or Zandscape that is unrepairable and not replacing it; or
replacing it with a new feature that daes not convey the same visual appearance.
Design for Missing Historic Features
-Introducing a new building, streetscape or Zandscape feature that i; out ofscale or otherwise inappropriate
to the setring's historic character, e.g., replacing picket fencing with chain Zink fencing.
AlterationslAdditians for the New Use
-Placing parking faciZzties directZy adjacent to historic buildings wl ach cause the removal of historic
plantings, relocation of paths and walkways, or blocking of alle�s.
-Introducing new construction into historic distrzcts that is visually '^ncompatible or that destroys historic
relationships within the district or neighborhood.
-Removing a historic building, building feature, or Zandscape or str.. etscape feature that is important in
defening the overall historic character of the district or the neighborhood.
E. FINDINGS:
1. The building is not classified in the Hill Historic District Nomination (only a small percentage
of buildings are described in the Nomination) and an inventory form was not present in the file.
2. The architectural and historical merit of the building. As the house stands currently, staff does
not feel that it contributes to the historical chazacter of the district due to its altered state—mainly
the stucco and porch detailing which does not appear original.
The property has also lost some of the context in which it was first constructed. It is the only
property remaining on this block that faces Marshall Avenu e. Permit index cards for 360
Marshall state that the property was wrecked in 1971 and 366-368 Marshall was wrecked in
1966. Accarding to the 1928 plat map of St. Paul, this block has lost approximately six
properties. The loss of these buildings has compromised the Marshall and Western Avenue
sides of the block and to a lesser degree, has diminished the character of Dayton Avenue.
Given the massing, remaining detailing and early construction date (during the period of
significance far the district), this properiy wouid conh the historic district if
rehabilitated. If the property were moved to another locaticn within the district or nearby,
among houses of similar massing and scale, the house coulc'I become a contributing feature for
the district.
Staff has not found other historical associations, such as pexsons that have contributed in some
way to St. Paul's history and development or an azchitect or association with an important event,
with this property.
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3. The effect of the demolition on surrounding buildings. Given the statement above regarding
context, staff believes the effect of demolirion on surround:ng buildings to be minimal,
although, it is always better to retain historic fabric type buildings that are associated with the
development of the district than it is to demolish and create another large hole in the district.
This building currently does not have similar massing or integriry as St. Joseph's Academy
(individually designated site) across the street or with the 2'!Z to 3'/� story brick and sided
apartment buildings on the rest of the block.
4. The economic value or usefulness of the building as it now �ists or if altered or modifed in
comparison with the value ar usefulness of any proposed s, ructures designated to replace the
present buitding or buildings. Per the applicanYs applicati �n (attached), the current use of the
properiy as a duplex has annual expenses totaling $12,181. !0. The application also states the
economic value of the income pzoducing properiy was esti*:lated at $76,000 to $85,000.
Necessary capital improvements and correcting deferred maintenance was also estimated at the
economic value of approximately $85,000 (this figure most likely does not include restoration of
the siding and porches). The applicant also stated that they purchased the property for $250,000.
Staff did not receive information from the applicant that an adaptive re-use for the existing
building was explored.
The applicant stated that the proposed new condo building would earn a reasonabie economic
return.
5. While a formal concept review of the proposed new construction is not a part of this review, the
Secretary of the Interior's Standards recommend against `7ntroducing a new building,
streetscape or Zandscape feczture that is out ofscale or otherwise inappropriate to the setting's
historic character, ..." and "Introducing new construction into historic districts that is visually
incompatible or that destroys historic relationships within the district or neighborhood. "
F. STAFF RECOMMENDATION:
Based on the findings, staff recommends approval of the demo.ition permit contingent on approval
by the HPC and issuance of a building permit for the proposed new construction (staff has concerns
regarding the scale and massing of the proposed building in relation to the historic district and the
individually designated St. Joseph's Academy across the streeti.
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Room 40, Lower L,evel, City HalUCourt House
September 25, 2003
Present: Michael Byrd, Richard Faricy, Lee Meyer, Raymon3 Meyer, Dudley Younldn, Susan
Bartlett Foote, 7ames Bellus, Gar Hargens (C,hair), Daniel Sc �tt, Paul Larson
Absent: Pat Igo (excused),Shari Taylor Wilsey (excused), Ri�hard Murphy
Staff Present: Wendy Lane, Amy Spong, Philip Waugh
1. CALL TO ORDER: 5:00 by G. Hazgens (Chair)
2. APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA : Announcements moved to the end of the agenda.
Agenda approved as revised.
3. CONFLICTS OF INTEREST: Faricy recused hims ;lf from agenda item N C.
4. PERMIT REVTEW/PUBLIC HEARING:
A. Applicants for item A were not present so it was shifted in the agenda.
B. 875 Summit Avenue, William Mitchell College of Law, Hill Historic District,
by Perkins and Will Architects, for a demolition permit to raze a 1965
addition and a building permit to construct a new addition in its place. File
#HPCO3-399
Waugh presented the staff report recommending approval of the demolition permit
application and the building permit application. Mark Nelson and Tony Lane, from
Perkins & Will, were both present to answer question;s. Hargens asked for and received
confirmation that the brick will match the existing as ��lose as possible. Bellus expressed
concern about the glass connection, stating the north elevation was stazk and the south
elevation was not. Lane responded that they were trying to make the connection
disappear.
No one was present to speak for or against the project and the public hearing was closed.
Larson motioned to approve the proposal. Bellus asked for and was granted approval
that the demolition decision and the building decision be two separate motions. Bellus
stated that he would support the demolition but did nct believe that an adequate job had
been done regazding the new design and would not su�port the new construction. Foote
motioned to approve the demolition and Larson second the motion. Motion passed
unanimously.
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Larson morioned to approve the proposal for new construction and Byrd second the
mation. Bellus commented that there is so much more this building could be. Hazgens
stated that he has seen connectars that have been successes and advised to keep the
connection as mirumal as possible. Larson stated he could have seen the design moving
in a different direction but felt the architects have responded to several of the HPC
concerns. Motion passes 9 to 1(Bellus).
A. 283 Dayton Avenue, Hill Historic District, t.y owner, for a building permit to
construct a shed dormer, replace three win lows and front door (This work
was started without required approvals). File #HPCO3-397.
Spong presented the staff report recommending: 1: A,.�proval of the shed dormer as
constructed with the detailing proposed on the submitted drawings, including a condition
to change the vinyl casement windows to wood doub. � hung windows; 2. Approval of the
frieze board, dentils, front door, wide trim board and �rapping the window trim in
aluminum; 3. Approval of the aluxninum soffit with tie condition that the beadboard
panels be changed to a flat aluminum panel OR apprc val of retuming the soffit to wood
as it existed; 4. Denial of the installed front window -�ith arch and the condition that two
wood 2-over-2 double hung windows be installed in the same size and configuration that
was existing (matching the neighboring house at 287 ,�ayton); 5. Denial of the proposed
front porch changes with a recommendafion that the a+�plicant work with staff to resubmit
a design for the front porch.
Byrd asked for and received clarification that there is no precedence for the use of an
arched window over two double hung windows in the Italianate style. Larson asked for
the rationale of staffs recommendation of the shed dormer. Spong stated that it is a
minimal impact, below the ridegline and did not disrupt the soffit
Chazlie Rossley and Henry Schnitzer, owners and applicants, spoke stating that they are
accepting of the staff recommendations in the report, although, they really like the
rounded arch window but staff is very cleaz in the findings. L. Meyer asked for and
received confumation that the function of the dormer was serving as headroom for a
future third floor bedroom. Larson asked far and received clarification that the existing
soffit was plywood wrapped in aluminum. Byrd asked the applicants if they reviewed the
staff recommendations and had any objections. The applicants replied yes.
No one else was present to speak for or against the pr<�posal and the public hearing was
closed.
L. Meyer motioned to approve staff recommendations 2, 3 iF soffit was wood, 4 and
5 and denial of the shed dormer stating tLat it was'not consistent with the style of
the house and does not have a precedent. Younkiu seconded the motion. Foote
disagreed with the removal of the shed dormer. Larsen stated support for the motion and
asked for a friendly amendment that the sofTit be s�ecified as tongue and groove lx3-
4 not plywood beadboard and wanted staff to revie,w and approve final plans for the
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arch window replacement. L. Meyer accepted the friendly amendment. Byrd asked
if there was a dormer that would be acceptable or common to the Italianate style. Larson
did not think a dormer works with that style of house but would accept a smaller version
of that proposed. L. Meyer again stated that he does not think the Italianate style can
carry a dormer. Foote stated she understood that ifthe dormer was not an obtrusive
design than it would be approved. BelIus agreed with Foote stating the commission has
had an inconsistent policy when dealing with dormers in general. Larson stated that his
issue is with the size and scale, its not about not ha�ing a dormer at all. Byrd asked for a
friendly amendment that the commission not reject th : idea of a dormer outright. L.
Meyer accepted the friendly amendment. The motior� passes 9 to 1(Bellus).
C. 358 Marshall Avenue, Aill Historic District, by Real Estate Development
Group, for a demolition permit to raze a t� u story house and garage in order �
� to construct a six story 68-unit condo building on lot and adjacent vacant
lots. Rile #HPCO3-398.
Spong presented the staff report recommending apprcval of the demoliton pernut
contingent on approval by the HPC and issuance of a`�uilding permit far the proposed
new construction. Foote asked a procedural question.�egazding the transition ft�n
demolition permit to building permit. Bellus asked for and received clarification that a
demolition permit would not be signed until the buildmg permit process was complete.
Brian Pergomont, with Real Estate Development Gro.zp, spoke about the need to get
contingent approval so tHey can refine the design boundaries. Pergomont stated that he
and his company are invested in the neighborhood an�i they own and manage 100
apartments in the area. Bellus asked about the price points for the condos and Pergomont
stated it was too early to determine, Byrd asked for a rationale for six stories in the new
building. Bill Hickey, of Collaborative Design Group, stated that this was the same
height as the Commodore and Blair House and would haue underground pazking. Hickey
stated that the next two to four months are reserved for the review process and
neighborhood meetings. Pergomont stated that the height is not defined yet and views
and sunlight of neighboring structures will not be imp'acted. Bellus dissuaded the
applicants from using the Blair House and the Commodore for a height comparison
because they were unique and located on different types of streets and corridors. Younkin
asked for a reiteration of the need for this 358 Marsha!l lot in the design. Pergomont
stated that the quality of life needs for the complex necessitate the removal of the duplex.
Hickey stated that the square footage and the odd ball nature of the site dictate the need to
take down the duplex. � �
Hargens asked for public testimony and urged those wanting to speak to stick to the topic
of the demolition of 358 Marshall Avenue. (Staff handed out written public testimony
that was received prior to the public hearing and stated that the handouts included 13
letters; 12 were against the demolition and/or proposel new construction and 1 was in
support of the demolition and new consh A lelter of support from Mayor Randy
Kelly was also passed out).
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Rick Igo the previous owner of 358 Marshall spoke and stated that the front porch was
not original and that its sister house was removed many years ago. He stated that he did
much of the work on the building and that it was never contributing to the district. Also
stated that its economically unfeasible to rehab it. He spoke far the demolition but had
reservation about the proposed new construction.
Chris Yerkes, 501 Ashland, spoke against the demolition.
Mary Texe, 113 Farrington, spoke against demolition.
Manuel Melendez, 496 Marshall, spoke against demo'.ition.
Mark Voerding, 113 Parrington, spoke against demol tion.
Ruth Hylmer, 467 Marshall, spoke against demolitior,.
Jim McDonough, 627 Selby, spoke against demolition.
Tony Kuldch, 530 Marshall, spoke against demolitior .
Chris Yerkes spoke again asking for historic contexts to be written about St Paul
Hargens closed the public hearing.
Younkin motioned to deny the permit application stating that there was not enough
information provided on the costs and viability of � he existing structure. Ray Meyer
second the motion. Bellus believed that the house hks no historic value and agrees with
the staff recommendation. Bellus also stated that he �✓ould not support the proposed new
construction, but there is a need to separate the demol:tion perniit and the building
permit. Byrd stated that the surrounding blocks are siz�gle family homes. Bellus
disagreed. Larson stated that he supports the motion : ar two reasons:l . Apartments aze
late arrivals to the area and he would hate to see sma11 units supplanted by monolithic
apartments, changing the scale of the neighborhood, and 2. The house is representative of
a pattern book house from the 1880s. Younkin moved to adopt Larson's points as
£ndings as friendly amendment. Motion to deny passes 5-2 (Bellus and Scott) �vith
two abstentions (Hargens and Faricy).
Bellus asked what direction does the HPC have for the applicant. Younkin stated he
wants a dollar value on rehab costs. Larson believed that the rehabilitation of the house
may not make sense unless its part of a larger development project. Bellus wants
clarification of whats expected of the applicant. Byrd,commended the applicant for
coming before the HPC at this point in the process, st<iting it was a good decision. Byrd
stated that if the issue is economic hardship than demqlition may be okay, but not enough
information was provided to make a decision. Foote thinks we need concrete numbers.
D. 333 Irvine Avenue, Hill Aistoric District, by Mary Hennessy, for a demolition
permit to raze a one-and-a-half story house in order to construct a detached
three story house on lot and a detached thre e story house on adjacent vacant
lot. F71e #HPCO3-400.
Waugh presented the staff report recommending appresval of the demolition permit
contingent on approval by the HPC and issuance of a building pernut for the proposed
new construction. Aaron Kodosh, architect far the project, stated that the owner, Mary
Hennessey, would like some positive reinforoement tc go forward with the design process
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and asked for the demolition to be considered. Kodosh stated that they hired a
mechanical engineering firm to conduct a feasibility study if the home were to be
restored. Younlcin asked for and received confirmation that the square footage is about
800 square feet. Foote stated that there are nwmbers to evaluate the economic conditions
and have seen the proposed single development which is consistent with the
neighborhood.
The public hearing was opened. Tom Stonburner, en�ineer for `I`KDA, representing the
home owner of 339 Irvine stated that they would like to see some vibration limits put into
place if 333 Irvine is demolished. Staff stated that there is language in the building code.
Lazson asked for and received confirmarion that the C�cretary of the Interior's Standazds
talk about protecting adjacent historic resources. Dean Soser, owner of 339-41 Irvine
Avenue, is not opposed to the demolition and buildin ; two single family houses. Karen
Alvaloz, of 331 Irvine Avene, is not opposed to the d.;molition and is asucious to have
improvements along Irvine Avenue. Alvaloz stated that they would like to be brought
into the process and then thanked the HPC for their t} oroughness they conducted the
meeting. The pubiic hearing was closed.
Bellus motioned to approve the demolition and Fa �te offered a second. Bellus stated
that this building has costs that are almost equal to the value of the building and notes that
for the previous case the estimated costs are $85,000 ..hat are equal to the value of the
rental property. Byrd stated that there could be a lengthy conversation about how the
values are calculated for rental versus ownership and stated that this owner calculated the
market value based on the tas assessment. Larson stated that he supports Bellus but
clarified the difference in this decision versus his prior decision. Larson stated that this
house is very simple and the context in which this house stood has been lost. Motion
passes 7 to 0 with 2 abstentions (Faricy, R. Meyer).
E. 624 Summit Avenue, Hill Historic District, by owner, for a building permit to
insta1178 triple-track aluminum storm windows. File #HPCO3-407.
Spong presented the staff report and recommended denial of the building permit
application. Gwynne Evans, owner and applicant, stated that the triple track is a stronger
product. Larson stated that they need to see drawings s�r a sample of the product in order
to vote on this matter.
No one was present to speak for or against the proposal and the public hearing was
ciosed.
Younkin motioned to lay over the case until next meeting and in the mean time have
the applicant bring in a sample or a drawing. Fart`cy seconded the motion. Foote
stated that we constantly have to keep reevaluating palicies as new products emerge and
the issue is not the number of tracks but the impact ori the window and frame. Motion
passed unanimously.
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5. STAFF ANNOUNCEMENTS
• Spong stated that Council Member Lantry ask�d staff far a report to the HRA
regarding the context of 800 E. Third Street, which is classified as a pivotal
structure in the Dayton's Bluff District.
• Spong stated that Island Station, off of Shepazd Road, is listed as a potential
historic resource and is currently being considered for redevelopment. If
interested, tours by the developers take place every second and fourth Thursday at
3pm. Just show up at the building.
• Spong stated that a fust draft of the revised ox3inance has been sent from Peter
Warner and that the task force should set up a meeting to go over. The meeting
was scheduled for 8am on October 3 at Commissioner Meyer's house.
6. ADJOURNMENfi: 8:05 pm
APPROVED AS AMENDED October 9, 2003
Submitted By: Amy Spong and Philip Waugh
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Septembex 28, 2003
Ms. Amy Spong
Saint Paul Heritage Preservation Commission
C/o Office of License, Inspecrions and Envixonmenhl Protec[ion
350 Samt Peter Street, Suite 300
Saint Paul, MN 55102-I510
Re: Appeal to vote to deny demolition permit for 358 Ma�hall Avenue by FIPC
Deat Ms. 5pong:
This letter is intended to put the Ciry of St. PauI on notice that my company will be appealing the decisiott
by St. Paul Aeritage Preservation Commission ("HPC"), to the SP Paul City Council.
Our gcounds for appeal include, hut aze not limited to tfie followicg
(1) The HPC voted to deny the demotition peimit based on the findiugs that were without merit
and went against the staff report, a report that is reqitlired by Section 73.06 (j){2) oithe St.
Paul Legislafive Code as it re]ates m this demolirion application;
(2) That despite the fact that the HPC agreed wiffi the staff report on the economic value or ;
usefulness for the building as it now exists, it sHll wted to deny the demoliflon permit, a�d
created addirional follow=ap study that is without merit;
(3) That the HPC finding conceming the "azcluteccurai and historical merit of the building" was
azbihary and capricious; ;
(4) The HPC made fmdings fox the demolifion permit based on itrelevant and azbiffary '
information, instead of focusing on the findings required by Section 73.06 (j)(2) of the St,
Paul Legislative Code.
For the above reasons, and othecs that Fvili be further discussed at the time of our appeal, Real Estate
Development Groy�akpeals the denial of its demolition permit by the HPC.
Real Estate Devefopment Group
cc: Keliey LeStanc aad Bill Hickey, CoIIaborative Design Group
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CITY OF SAINT PAUL
Randy C. Kelly, Mayor
390 Ciry Ha1[
1 S West Ke(logg Bou[evard
Saint Paul, MN 55102
Telephone: 651-266-8510
Facsimiie: 651-266-SSI3
September 24, 2003
Mr. Gar Hazgens, Chair
Saint Paul Heritage Preservation Commission
548 Portland Avenue
Saint Paul, MN 55102
Dear Gar:
I am writing to offer my enthusiastic support for a proposed � �using project located at the
Southeast corner of Marshall and Western avenues in the His,oric Hili Heritage Preservafion
District. As you may know, Real Estate Development Group plans to constnxct 68 units of
condominium-style housing at this site.
One of my top priorities as Mayor is to develop 5,000 new housing units of all types and price
ranges in Saint Paul. This proposal would provide a large nurnber of units in a high-demand
neighborhood. In addition, it would attract over $18 million in private investment with no public
subsidy at a time when the City needs to expand its properry tas base.
I feel the pxoposal would be a quality addiUon to the Ramsey Hill neighborhood. Owner-
occupied housing would replace a vacant lot that currently stands as a blight to surrounding
properties. The density of housing proposed would add many new residents and strengthen the
vibrant mixed-use, pedestrian-friendly chazacter of the area.
I utge you to give full consideration to Rea1 Estate Development Group's proposal to construct
new housing at Marshall and Western avenues. I am confident that this development will be a
quality addition to the Historic Hill Preservation Aistrict and to the City of Saint Paul far decades
to come.
Sinc y,
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dy C. Kelly
ayor
c: Martha Fuller, PED
Amy Spong, LIEP
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From: "CHARLES SENKLER" <charlessenkler@msn.com>
To: <amy.spong@ci.stpaul.mn.us>
Date: 9/25/03 1034AM
Subject: 358 Marshal Avenue
Dear Amy-
Received info on the proposed demo of 358 Marshal and the condo development.
I as a business owner in the neighborhood and a resident am for the project.
The building at 358 is a wreck and the condos would be a positive move for the Marshal Avenue area.
1 have no knowtedge oF who is building the units, no hidden agenda but congratu{ate anyone who is willing
to invest and develop our neighborhood. Who really cares if the bu iding is te� feet higher then the spec.
Charles F Senkler
charl essen kler@m sn.com
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Summit University Planning Council
Building a Better Community
627 Selby Avenue
Saint Paul, MN 55104
Board of Directors
Yresident
Reverend DarrytSpence
Treasurer
Gail Graham
Secretary
Matthew P. Downs
Vice Chair
Car! Nelsan
Manuel Melendez, Jr.
Community Improvement
And Safety
David Peterson / Robert Hickman
Neighborhood Development
Cary Rembert
Outreach
Steve Wilson,
Hailie Q. Brown
Alice Neve
Lexington Outreach Library
Reverend Da�id Stewart
Dayton Avenue Presbyterian
Church
Harry Oda
University UNITED
Paul Rhodes Sr.
Stanley Gardner
�[orgen Lindquist
Mary Gardner
Amy Michael
Kathy Wiison
Kahlid Etfendi
srafj
Executive Director
James J. McDonough Jr., Ph.D.
Community Crime Prevention
Coordinatar
Office Manager
Jean Doyle
Phane:651-228-1855
Fax:651-225-1108
district8@tcpost.com
September 25, 2003
Aitn.: Amy Spong
Heritage Preservation Commission
Office of L'zcease, Inspection, and
Environmental Protection
300 Lowry Professional Building
350 St. Peter StreeY
Saint Paul, MN 55102 - 1510
RE: Demolition of 358 Mazshall
Avenue
Dear Ms. Spong:
The Summit-University Planning Council (SUPC) — District 8 received
notification of a Rezoning" request fr �m P-i, RM-2 to RM-3 of the above
noted properry at 358 Marshall Avenue, the South East corner of Western
Street and Marshall Avenue on Augzst 18, 2003. This item was placed on
the SUPC Neighborhood Development Committee's Community Meeting
agenda for September 16, 2403. On September 15, 2003, the project azchitect
called our office and informed us that the rezoning request had been
"temporarily tabled" to allow more time to consider the site plan.
The SUPC had distributed 350+ notic�s of this Agenda item throughout the
community. The September 16, 2003 Community Meeting was attended by
42+ residents and agency representatives. Since the request had been made to
"table" the rezoning request, this item was deferred for discussion.
However, several neighborhood residents have contacted the SUPC office and
expressed concerns about the proposed "density" of the project (i.e. 68 condo
units), along with other issues such as height of the proposed building, tr�c
congestion, inadequate parking accommodations, safety issues - especially as
related to the high number of young children in the area, etc.
The SUPC Neighborhood Development Committee and Board of Directors
aze committed to fully reviewing the proposed development of this site in the
Summit-University community, and will continue to conduct meetings to
garner input and comment from neighborhood residents. Because ai.'the confusion created by separate, but
pazailel processes by PED and LIEP, SUPC —District 8 has not had sufficient information on the proposed
development plan tc
continue and SUPC
recommendations.
present a formal recommendation at this time. Further monitoring and review will
will inform the Saint Paul Heritage Preservat_on Commission of any and all future
Thank you for your anticipated attention to these matters. If we can be of any further assistance, please do
not hesitate to contact our office.
' cerely
ames .. Mc . gh r., Ph.D. �-�j — 3�
Executi e Director
Attachment — Community Meeting — September 16, 2003
cc: SUPC Board of Directors R� v'd B M�FS •
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From: vharms@mail.eetc.com
To: <amy.spong@ci.stpaul.mn.us>
Date: 9/25/03 1125AM
Subject: Re: 355 Marshaii Ave. (hearing)
Thurs., Sept. 25, 2003
Dear Amy and or to whomever at HPC:
1 sincerely hope that you wi{I receive this before tonighYs meeting.
We did receive the notification earlier but failed to respond, sorry.
We just received a flyer deiivered by the Ramsey Hill Association
reminding us of the meeting.
ChrisYs Fiousehold of Faith had wanted to purchase the vacant lote
across Marshall Avenue from our Academy front yard several months ago
but the asking price was, in ourjudgment, unreasonable. We are :;orry
now that we did not try harder to find a way to make that purchase. I
think that you are aware that we have an abiding need to improve F�ousing
for our own purposes but that in doing so our housing acquisitions iave
had a positive influence on the stabilizing and upgrading of housinr in
the community generally. Had we been able to acquire those vaca it lots
we would have wanted to create several nice duplexes or perhaps � four
unit at the most. Well, that is history!
The current proposal to raze an existing home and garage in order to
stretch out a six story building with 68 condos in it seems ludicrous to
us! We are in agreement with the sentiment being expressed by the
Ramsey Hill Association and would lend our support to their argument.
Compietion of the project as proposed simpiy brings way too much density
of people and automobiles, etc. to an otherwise quiet residential
neighborhood and would not be welcomed by us. The immediafe
neighborhood has more than su�cient multiple housing opportunities on
Virginia St., Western Avenue and Dayton and Selby corners! Our hope is
that sanction for this project wiil not be granted !!
Sincerely,
Ver�on R. Harms, Secretary
Bd. of Directors,
ChrisYs Household of Faith, Inc.
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Barb and Chuck Gudknecht
487 Marshafl Ave.
St. Paul, MN 55102
651-298-1012
September 25, 2003
To: Amy Spong/HPC
Re: HPCO3-398
We are writing to express our concerns regarding the proposed 6 story — 68 unit
condo building proposed for the vacant lot on the SE corner of Western and
Marshal{ and the demolition permit for the property at 358 Marshall.
We have lived in the neighborhood for nearly 25 ye�rs. During that time we have
invested a lot into our home and our neighborhood. We are very opposed to a 6
story complex of any type in our neighborhood — it is completely out of character in
staying with a historic area. We are opposed to tearing down a historic home for
this or any other purpose.
Sincerely
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September 17, 2003
Amy Spong
Go the Historic Preservation Commission
City of St. Paul
15 West Kellogg
St. Paul, MN 55101
RE: File # HPCO3-398
Dear Amy,
I would like to convey my concems about a recent pernu� application for property at 358
Marshall Avenue, Hill Historic District, by Real Estate L'evelopment Group, File #
HPCO3-398. I am not in favor of this proposal as I do not think the proposed structure
will be a proper fit in this location. The corner/street that it is located is primary single
family and duplex homes. All structures in the area are no taller than ttuee stories with
the exception of Blair Complex which use to be a hotel. I would like to express my
concern and not recommend this proposal as a resident on Marshall Avenue.
Sincerely,
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464 M shall,Av nu
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From: "Susan Clarke" <SusanClarkeDC@comcast.net>
To: <amy.spong@ci.stpaul.mn.us>
Date: 9/25/03 2:32PM
Subject: 358 marshall
Amy. Since none of the building around are so high, I would suggest that (in keeping with the historic area
architecture) that the builders only go as far as maybe one storey I igher - at the most - than the
surrounding buildings.
Yours. Susan Clarke DC.
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From: "Bradford, Kate" <Kate.Bradford@northstarfinancial.com>
To: "'amy.spong@ci.stpaul.mn.us'" <amy.spong@ci.stpaul.mn.us>
Date: 9/25/03 8:44AM
Su6ject: 358 Marshall
Dear Ms. Spong:
I cannot teil you how distressed I am to Iearn of the proposed deve opment
of the properly at 358 Marshali. The size and scale of what is beir�
proposed is far beyond what is in keeping with our neighborhood. : fear
that should this project go through, more projects will be brought forth and
the integrity of our historic district wifl slowly be eroded by mass
housing. There must be something that can be done to prevent th?�
development. Kindly advise.
Sincerely,
Kate Bradford
221 Mackubin Street
Saint Paul, Minnesota 55102
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From: "Brita Kukich" <bkukich@visi.com>
To: <amy.spong@ci.stpa�l.mn.�s>
Date: 9/25/03 6:33AM
Subject: proposed condos on Marshalf and Western
Brita Kukich
530 Marshall Ave
St. Paul, MN. 55102
651-222-3274
Amy,
Many things came to mind when I heard of the application to raze t�e historic structure on Marshall to
build a six story condo. In trying to stay on the topic of historicai gu�deiines, even if I thought tearing down
the house was a good idea {which I don't) I could not imagine a six story structure of any kind on that
corner. Even though there are sizeable historic structures in the arsa such as St. Mary's (help me out
here CHOFF?) across the street the lot or green space and its hist.:rical impact create a serene presence
that would never be complimented 6y a six story condominium buif�ling.
Going back to the endangered duplex on Marshall, even though thc, present condition of the house only
marginally supports the historic neighborhood, with some work it cculd be a great home for a family. In
1992 we bought a tiny Italianate on the 500 block, just up from the duplex in question. When we
purchased the home it was a duplex with three layers of siding and aIl the wrong updates inside. At that
point anyone would have said it marglnally supports the neighbonc� od. Today, it is one of many very
desirabie single family homes. To say it has great historical significant would be a stretch but what this
humble dwelling offers to the neighborhood for years to come is a vision which a 6 story condo could
never match.
There are more people in this neighborhood with similar stories than not. If the potential of every home in
this neighborhood
would have been viewed as insignificant then there would be no historic neighborhood teft. There are no
more oId homes left in this area. We have such a desire to get ahead financially. We feel it is progress.
But what is beyond?
So lets take a Iook at Marshall even further down the street. Near the corner of Lexington and Marshall
the city has been relocating homes on the north side of the street for the past 5? to 10? years. They did
not tear them down. Just yesterday there was a large brick structure blocking the intersection of Victoria
and Marshall. Although 1 can say I disagree with moving the home� at least even the city thought the
structures were valuable enough to relocate.
How can a historic building in a historic neighborhood, at its originat location be fess valuable no matter
what its condition is? We have a designated historic district. 1 want to compare the duplex to an
endangered species like the Bald Eagle. What is one less Bald Ea�le? What is one less home. When
do we stop?
As a resident on Marshall Ave. in the Historic District, 1 do not supp+art the demolition of the historic
structure on the 300 block of Marshall. I do not agree that any condo structure would be appropriate on
that corner. The twin home that is across the street, the home slated for demolition and all the smaller
structures in the immediate area as well as St. Mary's (?) would suf`er from such a radical structure as the
one propased.
Where does the eye pause when one looks up Western betv✓een Marshall and Selby? Where does the
soui of a resident go to rest? imagine that this area was your garde�. You would design positive spaces
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and negative spaces, hard scape and green space. You wouldn't put in a bunch of flowers and shrubs
that were all the same size and texture. In a neighborfiood especially a city neighborhood one needs to
think about that as well. Why not restore the existing dwelling back to a single family home? Why not
build 2 or 3 twin homes on the vacant lots?
This is a neighborhood where families live. Children play in their b�ck yards. This historic district should
not continue to be a piace where small entities continue to capitaliza from the presfige of the Historic
Neighborhood. We have pubiic housing for the needy. We have rursing homes for the sick. What we
don't have is enough homes with grass and trees for the other horr � owners in this area to wafk down the
biock and stop and pause to say hello, sit on the front porches whi : the chiidren play in the yards. What
kind of historic impact would this make? Who would have ever dreamed that once again the people of St.
Paul would see the value of preserving a truly historic neighborhooJ?
Thank you
Brita Kukich
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From: Teresa Tierney <teresa@tierneymusic.com>
To: aamy.spongQci.stpaul.mn.us>
Date: 9/24/03 8:10PM
Subject: RE: File #HPCO3-398
Amy,
Thank you for your message today. I am unable to attend the mee :ing
Thursday due to my work schedule so I will take this opportunity to state my
opposition to the proposal for a 68 unit condo development at 358 '4arshali
Avenue of the Hili Historic district. This is a residential area that
already has much housing consisting of multiple units. Marshall Avenue
already has high traffic volume and speeds and the addition of this �roperty
would only increase tra�c and congestion. In addition, proposing : six
story building does not appear to take into account that this is a
historical district. The ultimate use of the vacant lot should mainta: i,
preserve, and continue the fiistoric and neighborhood quality of thi� area.
I am not opposed to to the property being used for residential purp ses, but
I do not support the development for property that would raise the
popu{ation density, increase traffic, and not fit with the historic
atmosphere of the neighborhood.
Sincerely,
Teresa 7ierney
473 Marshafl Avenue
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From: "Erika PerraulY' <erika@perrault.net>
To: <amy.spong@ci.stpaul.mn.us>
Date: 9/25/03 12:39PM
Subject: 358 Marshall
Hi Amy. Thanks again for taking comments and passing them along at the
meeting tonight.
My concerns about the proposed development at 358 Marshall are related
both to the size of the building, 6 stories, as well as the number of
the units, 68.
The neighborhood around 358 Marshall does not include buildings �f the
size and scope proposed. The Iargest close structures are the Chr�st
Household of Faith building, which is Iocated on a much larger piec : of
property and is historic, so is in keeping with other targer oid
structures such as the Biair Arcade building. However no other bu "ding
is even ciose in height to 6 stories, and I'm concerned that the 6
stories would dwart surrounding properties and causing too much of a
dense mass of housing in one small area.
In addition, I live at 463 Marshall, and our neighborhood is strugglii.�
to carve out its niche as a safe, preserved, historic part of Ramsey
hili. Simply having 68 condo units in one building on one corner
substantially increases the housing density in our immediate
neighborhood which is already working hard to retain good, long-te m,
solid neighbors who are committed to making a livable, historic
neighborhood that Saint Paul is proud of.
I(and I befieve my neighbors as wefl) wefcome safe, beautiful new
housing, but ask that it support the neighborhood and its historic
character better by being smaller and putting fewer people in such close
proximity to each other.
Thanks. Have a good meeting.
Erika Perrauit
erika@perrault.net
(w)651-338-7562
(h) 651-665-9797
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From: "Rubinstein, Sally" <sally.rubinstein@mnhs.org>
To: "'amy.spong@ci.stpaul.mn.us"' <amy.spong@ci.>tpaul.mn.us>
Date: 9125/03 124PM
Subject: 358 Marshall
Dear Amy:
I am writing to oppose the planned development of the southeast c�rner of
Western and Marshall and 358 Marshail in the Historic Hili District ,File
#HPCO3-398). The proposed structure is too big {or the site and wi �
overpower the neighboring buildings. 1 am especialiy concerned at �ut the
impact such a building would have on the St. Joseph's Academy a mplex across
the street. Additionally housing this dense would create terrible traf'ic
problems. Even with 79 spaces for 68 units, there would be a lot or. cars
parked o� the street.
I also disagree with the plans for the existing house. It might not b� of
great architectural value, but it does contribute to and support the
architectural fabric of the district. At the very Ieast, it should be mo�. -�d
rather than razed.
Thank you,
Sarah (Sally) Rubinstein
442 Dayton Ave.
651-224-6429
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To: <amy.spongQci.stpaul.mn.us>
Da4e: 9/25/03 132PM
Subject: 358 Marshail Avenue, Hill Historic District, File �HPCO3-398
HPC,
i am a iife long resident of Ramsey Hill. i am adamantiy opposed to the
proposal at 358 Marshall. This is a historic district and old building: cannot be
replaced. Once you take it down it can �ever be put back. Apparently the
duplex is not warranted as "historically significanf'. I beg to differ, .. is a
pleasant house and IS significant because of when it was construc ed! One
house may not seem like a big deal, but iYs one house here, one h�use there,
this, that .... so on and so forth. Eventually over time, there will not be a
historic district to protect or just a patch work of once was. Furthernore, the
size of the proposed "building" is simplyjust way too large! This is iot
W oodbury for crying out loud!
Lara Duddingston ,
443 Holly Avenue
Saint Paul, MN 55102
(651)222-6901
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From: "Upchurch, Tfieresa" <Theresa.Upchurch@nortY.starfinanciai.com>
Ta: '"amy.spong@cistpaui.mn.us"' <amy.spong@ci.stpaul.mn.us>
Date: 9/25/03 10:57AM
Subject: 358 Marshall
Good Morning!
I am a resident of Cathedral Hill and a member of fhe RamseyHill
Association.
f have fived in this neighborhood off and on for 23 years moving b�,k in
2001 because I knew were my heart belonged. Our neighborhood �s filled with
such fabulous stuctures and hisfory. Allowing this monster at 358 P!arshall
to rear its ugiy head would be a travesty. I moved home for a reasc � and
bought property here (447 Marshall Avenue). 1 want to keep my ne:�hborhood
the way i remember it as a child...the last 40 years.. and for the ne; t 100
years 10 come.
Please do not allow this to happen to our beautiful neighborhood.
Theresa Upchurch
Sr. Field Adminisirator
North Star Consultants, Inc.
2701 University Avenue SE, Suite #300
Minneapolis, MN 55414
direcf: 612-617-6128 fax: 612-617-6001
th eresa. upch u rch @north starfinan cia l. com
<mailto:theresa. upchurch @n orthsta�n an ci al. com>
CC: "'The Phoenix Newspaper"' <phoenixl@winternet.com>
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From: The Phoenix Newspaper <phoenix1 @wintemet.com>
To: <amy.spong@ci.stpaul.mn.us>
Date: 9/25/03 10:56AM
Subject: File #HPCO3-398 Proposed construction at 358 tvlarshall Ave
Good momi�g, Amy Spong <
Re 358 Marshall, I am most concerned about the size and scoper the
proposed building. There is really nofhing in the entire district that s
six stories,..and certainly not six and one-half stories.
Let me correct myseff. The cathedral is taller.
"...new construction be harmonious with the scale and massing of existing,
historic buildings in the district."
Fran Jackson
447 Marshall Ave #6
Saint Paul 55102
651-291-2691
CC: T Upchurch <trublu1963@msn.com>
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From: "Mike Schumann" <mike@traditions.com>
To: <amy.spong@ci.stpaul.mn.us>
Date: 9/25/03 9:57AM
Subject: 358 Marshall
As a resident of the Ramsey Hiil neighborhood, I would Iike to expross my extreme concern about the
mass of this proposed development.
The overall aesthetic appeal of this neighborhood is what makes p.�ople want to live here, and which
creates the relatively high property values that the City of St. PaW c asperately needs to Tinance its many
programs.
The historic preservation guidelines are not only designed to protect historic structures, but also to protect
the aesthetic integrity of the neighborhood.
I would like to strongly encourage the HPC to reject any proposed �evelopment that creates structures
that exceed the size and mass of other existing buildings in the imriediate viciniry of this project.
Please feel free to call me at 651-208-3791 if you would like further input.
Thanks,
Mike Schumann
mike@traditions.com
CC: <info@ramseyhiil.org>
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400 SELBY AYENUE, SUITE V, SAINT PAIIL, MN 55102-d500
TELEPHONE: 651.221.0200
October 20, 2003
To: Members of the St.
Chris Coleman
Jerry Blakey
Pat Harris
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Jay Benanav
Paul City Council
Fr: Ramsey Hill Association Boazd of Directors
Rod Richter, Historic Preservation Chair
At its regular monthly meeting on October 9, 2003, the members of the Ramsey
Hill Association Board of Directors voted to support the St. Paul Heritage
Preservation Commission's decision to deny the demolition permit request for
358 Marshall Avenue. The Coinmission's vote has been appealed and is on
your meeting agenda (Item 54) for October 22. The Ramsey Hill Association
encourages you to uphold the HPC's decision.
Many years ago, when I was studying historic preservation, one of my
instructors constantly drummed into our heads that nothing historic should
ever be tom down unless what is proposed to replace it is much better for the
community. Whether or not the new proposal is a welcome addition to the
neighborhood is a question that cannot yet be answered. No defuutive proposal
for a replacement structure has been produced. The members of the Ramsey
Hill Association Board of Directors are of the opuuon that the replacement
structure, as it has been so far described (six stories, 68 units, a multitude of
zoning variances required), would r,ot be benefrcial to the Ramsey Hill
neighborhood.
We encourage you to uphold the HPC's denial of the demolition permit for 358
Marshall Avenue.
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REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMEIITT GROUP
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Ms, Amy Spong
Saint P�I Heritage PreseEyation Commission
C/o dfftce of [ Inspect7afl and �nvironmental Protection
350 Saint Peter Street, Suite 300
Saint Paul, M7Y 55102-15(0
Re: Fina(ized Cos[ Anatysis of Budget vs. Actual $ids for 358 Marshal[ Avenue
Dear Ms. Spong:
Per the recommendation of the Commission on September 25'�, Zpp3, � ��ave received actua� b]ds from
4�a��fed contractprs to pin down the ac..tual cost of the contemplated repairs and renovations that this
property wiil require, were it io continue [o be rented as a duplex, and returned to i£s originai 1880's period
condition. This letter will compare the original budget thnt f]�ad used to determine the e�t of the cost
verses the Actusll Bids that we receiv�i from licensed e�nttac[ors to restore the premise io iL original ( 8$0'S
style construction.
As you cao see, the acEUal bids are �7(12.016 CREATER TH,4N our original budgeted estimates, �rohich
�'E� �ery conservati�e. Attaehed for your review are also the bids that have been received.
1. Heating system replaced:
2. Replaee Plumbing System:
3 2eplaoemenE of Itoof
4. Electrical 12epair/Cteplacement
5. Repair of Foundation:
b• Kepair of Stucco:
7. Exterior SoffiN7'rim Replace:
i3udget: $S,OOd.00
Bad�et: $IO,00Q.00
Budget: $ ) 0,000.00
Budget: $t0,000.00
BudgeY: $5,000.00
Bndget: �30,000.00
Budget; $5,000.00
Actual Bid:
Actuat $id:
Actual Bid:
Actual Bid:
Actual Bid:
Actuai Bid:
Actual Bid:
$7,500
$ r 7,500
$16,483
$l0,IS0
$135,383
(see 5 byove)
(see 5 dbove)
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Budget: $85,000.00
Inere�ses Over Bud et: �10201G
Actaal $ids: $I87,016
[t is my hope that this analysis will further illustrate the extent of work ehaz this property requires at this tirne
to retum it to iLg origin$1 1 Bgp•s period condition. in terms of economic value, whiah we caiculated at
$ based on eurrent re;nt� and aperating costs, we would create a negative economic value o£
$]02,00-$I I 1,0 ' we performed [his work. !n addition, the above $187.00O represents 75%ofour
origina ase price, It is abundantEy clear £rom this anafysis, that the only feasib[e �nomic use
for buildi to demoli[ion it or move ic to another site to make room for development af the
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Rea186tflce DeVelopmnnt Grm�
800 Fra�ilcli�t Avenue West
Mittneapolis> MIV 554a5
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As per yauc xequost, Kiaus-Andeison has looked at exterior �enovations ta 358 Marshatl Sueet,
$c, Fanl, htinnesota. Tdit �st Eor Fhis w�& as per the attached eetiniate dated i0J21103 is ONE
HUNDEtED 1�IIRTX F[V� THOUSANIS 'fHREE HUNbRED EIG�ITY THiiEE AND NO/100
DOLLARS {�135,3H3.�}.
We inClnda the followiqg:
Demolirion aad retwildin� uf the fron[ pwcR
Demoliti0n and rebuildiAg of tHe eide porch
Demolidon of smcco cxtericY
ReWqrking of �after cxtcASions
Re-shoring of roof rafues
Instalfativa al` 4" hm'dbo�d lap siding
Euterior painting
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2925 Garfie►d Ave South
MinneapoPs, MN 55408
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Rergola WlanagemerrE
208 westem qrre North Unit �
SY. Pauf MN 55102
Dear Customer,
We are pleasecf to submii fhe foil�+ving proposal for the plumbirtg work a# the duplex ap
MarshaH in St. Paul. We witk fumish arld 'mstaif new water Unes from the wafer �ter ta
a�� fix(utes, new drain Anes from fixtures and verrt lines atl per code. We rvip ir�s3an a neu�r
water heafer a�d new chimney liner as per code. We will pra�ide iwo bath tubs, two
water closets,'twa iavatory sinks, tvvo kitchen sinks, lauRdry tuh, hvo outside hose
sp�ots a!1 mateaiats � insta8 �ese �ixtures. Others will dc arfy patching of waI[s ancf
floors. This is an estimated cast fvr the above work $17,500.00
We wili fumish and instalf a S(ant Fnn Sailer, SX-180 Ehe removal is Tsterl s�parately
beloW. We vWfl set new boiler on cemeat pad, in9tafl !o existirtg piping and redi�tiart,
using proper igotation and halancing valves. We will instal! a new expansion tank in
basement. Cnnnecting gas, ver�ting, electricai, wi� al1 permits arrd }ests. The crosf of this
shall be $5,6QO,fl0
Removai of asbestos and old boiler try Envirobate iNC $2,OOD.00
We reserve the right to not accept this bid after 30 days
We apPreciate the oppornmifyy to wark with you an this projec� and are confident in our
abilities fo handle this job � a prafessionai manner.
Sincerery,
Matthew D. Romain
Projecf Engineer
9um-O-Matic Mooney and Ridler Mechanicai Contractors
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1 J we wiii clean up elechicat wieing in basernent
2.) We wilt add sufficient lighfing on ontside of buitdix� at all enay ways.
3.) We wi(l check aD w7ring in both units to �nake sute therc is no haz2rds and there rs proper pol�'ity on
all circuits.
4.)'9Ve will malce sisre there is sufficicnt outlets snd lightit�g in each raom_ W¢ will add a�tlets wheie
neceSSaiy t0 m2et efCCtricalcode.
5.) We wil[ add GFi outlets whe�e requ9red in kitchens and bathrooms.
6 J We wiFl make sure outleGS i1i bedrooms have ffiOfaulf proteck�or�
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ST. PAUL, MINNESOTA
CounCil File # r Z�^'�
Green Sheet # 11� V
RESOLUTION
CITY OF SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA
Presented By
Referred To
Whereas, the HPC conducted a public hearing on the said application on September 25,
2003, where all interested parties were given an opportunity to be heard after having provided
notice to affected property owners; and
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2 Whereas, Real Estate Development Crroup (hereinafter, the "REDG"), made application
3 to the Heritage Preservation Commission (hereinafter, the "HPC") in HPC file No. 03-398, for a
4 demolition pemut to raze a dwelling and detached gazage located at the address commonly
5 known as 358 Marshall located in the Hill Historic District; and
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Whereas, at the close of the hearing, the HPC denied the application based upon all the
testimony and records before it, including the foliowing findings set forth in HPC Resolution No.
03-398, required under Legislative Code 73.06(i):
1. To approve a demolition permit at this time would not be appropriate given the
lack of information regazding the viability of the structure. Detailed structural
information, rehabilitation costs and a feasibility study [were] not included as part
of the application.
Committee: Date
2. Apartment building were late arrivals in the Summit-Hiil neighborhood and
they were largely built to expand the income base as rental properties. As early as
1901, Summit Avenue had restrictions regarding the construction of apartment
buildings in order to maintain the neighborhood's character of single family
homes. A factor why the neighborhood was not totally lost to apartment buildings
was because the early apartment boom was restricted to two periods: 1901 and the
1920's. The character of the neighborhood would be compromised if this scale of
house were lost on a lot by lot bases and replaced by monolithic apartment
buildings.
3. The design of this house is typical of a pattern book example from the mid-
1880's. This type of house was once very common in the neighborhood and were
often the first to disappear.
Whereas, on ar about September 28, 2003, REDG, pursuant to L,eg. Code 73.06(h), duly
filed an appeal from the decision of the HPC and requested a public hearing for the purpose of
considering the action taken by the HPC; and
Whereas, on October 22, 2003, a public hearing was duly conducted by the City Council
where all interested parties were given an opportunity to be heard; and
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the testimony, the report of staff, and the record, minutes and resolution of the HPC;
6 Resolve, that the HPC erred in denying the demolition pernut application as the
7 application submitted met the requirements of Leg. Code 73.06(i)(2); and be it
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9 Further Resolved that the appeal of REDG is hereby granted, subject to the condition that
10 the demolition pemut shall issue upon the issuance of a building permit for the new development
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Co'rtact Person & Pho`re: � Deoartment Sent To Person Initial/Date
Peter Wamer 0 icense/[os eMiodEoviron Pro
266-8710 puiyn 1 icenseJfns ection/EnvironPro De artmeutDirector
Must Be on Council Agenda by (Date): Number 2 i. Attorue
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Adion Requested•
Council approval of a resolution memorializing City Council action which overturned a decision of the HPC regazding a demoliGon
permit to raze a dwelling and detached gazage located at 358 Marshail.
Rewmmendations: Approve (A) or Reject (R): Personal Service Contracts Must Answer the Following Questions:
Planning Commission 1. Has this personlfirm ever worked under a contrad for this department?
CIB Committee Yes No
Civil Service Commission 2. Has this personlfirm ever been a city employee?
Yes No '
3. Does this person/firm possess a skill not normaily passessed by any
curcent city employee? -
Yes No
Explain all yes answers on separate sheet and attach to green sheet
Initiating Problem, Issues, Opportunity (Who, What, When, Where, Why):
Jn Setember 25, 2003 HPC denied the permit to raise the structure at 358 Marshall. On October 22, 2003 apublic hearing was conducted
by the City Council which over-turned the HPC's decision. This resolutian memorializes that action and grants 358 Marshall permission
to destroy the dwelling and detached gazage located there.
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CITY OF SA71VT PAUL
R¢ndy C. Kelly, Mayor
September 29, 2003
Ms. Mary Erickson
City Council Research Office
Room 310 City Hall
Saint Paul, MN 55102
Dear Ms. Erickson:
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I would like to confirm that a public heazing before the City Council is scheduled for Wednesday,
October 22, 2003 for the following heritage preservarion case:
Appellant(s)
File Number:
Real Estate Development Group
HPCO3-398
Purpose: Appeal of a Heritage Preservarion Commission decision denying a
demolition perxnit application to raze the house and garage at 358 Marshall
Avenue in order to construct a six story 68-unit condominium building.
Location:
Staff
Recommendation:
Commission
358 Marshall Avenue (Hill Historic District)
Approval of the demolition permit application, contingent on approval by
the HPC and issuance of a building permit for the proposed new
construction.
Denied on a vote of 5 to 2 with 2 abstentions.
I have confirmed this date with the office of Council Member Jerry Blakey. My understanding is that this
public hearing request will appear on the agenda of the City Council at your earliest convenience and that
you will publish nofice of the hearing in the Saint Paul Legal Ledger. Thanks! �
Please call me at 266-9079 if you have any questions.
Sincerely,
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Amy Spong
Historic Preservation 5pecialist
CC: Council Member Jerry Blakey
AppellanUowner, Real Estate Development Group
File
OFF7CE OFLICENSE, INSPECTIONSAND �� _ ���
ENVlRONMENTAL PROTEC770N
Janeen E. Rosas, Direcior
LOWAYPROFESSIONALBUILlDNG Telephone:612-266-900I
350StPeterStreet Facsimile: b11-266-9099
SuiEe 300
SaintPaul,Minnesota 55102-ISID
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-- The Sa3nt Paul Qity Couacil vsill-con-
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tober22; 2003; at 5:3� p.m.in the,.City
Cotmcil Chambers, Third Floor, �ity
HaII-Courthouse, 15 West Kellogg
. Bautevard, Saint Paul, MN, to con�ider
the appeal of Real Estate Development
Gmup to a decision of the Heiitage Aies-
ervation Commission denyiag a demb$-
tioa`permit application to reze t,he houae
azid garage at 358 Marshall Avenue in
order to. conytruct a six-story 68-unit
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September 28, 2003
�Is. Amy Spoag
Saint Paul Heritage Preservazion Commission
Go Office of License, Inspecrions and Environmental Protection
350 Samt Peter Street, Suite 3Q� '
Samt Paul, MN 55102-1510
Re: Appeal to vote 2o deny demolitian pemut for 358 Marshall Avenue by fiPC
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Dear Ms. Spong: '
This letter is intended to put the Ciry of St. Paut on notice t6at my company will be appealing the decision
by St. Paui Heritage Preservation Commission ("HPC"), to the St. Paul Ciry Council.
Our grounds for appeal include, but are not liauted to the followiug
(1) The HPC voted to deny tt�e demolition peimit based on the findings that were without mezit
aod went aaainc the staff report, a report that is required by Section 73.06 (j)(2) of the St.
Paul Legislative Code as .it relates to this demo6iion applicafion;
(2) That despite the fact that the HPC agreed with the staff report on the economic value or ;
usefuiness for the huilding as it now exists, it still voted to deny the demnlition permit, attd
created additionai foiiow- s� ' ivai i� wr�aui u�er��;
(3) That ihe HPC finding concerning the "arcliitecturat and histnrical merit of the building" was
arbihary and capricious; '
(4) The HPC made findings for the demolition permit based on irreIevant and azbivary
infomxaaoq instead of focusing on the findings required by Section 73.06 (j)(2) of the St;
Paul Legislative Code.
For the above reasons, and others that wilt be further discussed at the time of our appeal, Real Estate
Development G%�aRpeals the denial of iu demoliuon permit by the HPC.
Fstafe Development Gmup
cc: Kelley LeBlanc and Bill Hickey, Collaborative Design Group
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CITYOFSAINTPAUL
Randy C. Kelly, M¢yor
September 29, 2003
Ms. Mary Erickson
Cily Council Reseazch Office
Room 310 City Hall
Saint Paul, MN 55102
Dear Ms. Erickson:
OFFICEOFLICENSE, INSPECTlONSAND
EM'IRONMENTAL PROTECTTON
Janeen E. Rosas. D "vector
LOYi'RY PROFESSIONAL B UILIDNG
350 St Peter Street
Suite 300
SaintPaul, Minnesota �5102-ISIO
Telephone: 67?-266-9001
Facsimile: 612-266-9099
I would like to confirm that a public heazing before the City Council is scheduled for Wednesday,
October 22, 2003 for the following heritage preservation case:
Appellant(s):
File Number:
Real Estate Development Group
HPCO3-398
Pwpose: Appeal of a Heritage Freservation Commission decision denying a
demolition permit applicarion to raze the house and garage at 358 Marshall
Avenue in order to construct a six story 68-unit condominium building.
Location:
Staff
Recommendation:
Commission
358 Mazshall Avenue (Hill Historic District)
Approval of the demolirion permit applicarion, contingent on approval by
the HPC and issuance of a building pernu2 for the proposed new
construction.
Denied on a vote of 5 to 2 with 2 abstentions.
I have confirmed this date with the office of Council Member Jerry Blakey. My understanding is that this
public hearing request will appear on the agenda of the City Council at yow earliest convenience and that
you will publish nofice of the hearing in the Saint Paul Legal Ledger. Thanks!
Please call me at 266-9079 if you have any questlons.
Sincerely,
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Amy Spong
Historic Preservation Specialist
CC: Council Member Jerry Blakey
AppellanUowner, Real Estate Development Group
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CITY OF SAINT PAYJL
Randy G Kelly, M¢yor
MEMORANDUM
TO:
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FROM:
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DATE:
OFFICE OF LICENSE, INSPECITONS AND
ENVIRONMENTALPROTECTION
Janeen E. Rosas, pirector
L04VRYPROFESSIONAL BUILDING
350 St. Peter Street
Suite 300
Saint P¢u[, Minnuot¢ 55102-1 SIO
Telepfione: 651-266-9090
Facsimile:657-266-9099
City Councilmembers
Peter Warner, CAO
Wendy Lane, LIEP
Amy Spong, HPC staff
HPC appeal for 358 Marshall Avenue, Hill Historic District
October 14, 2003
The following attachments highlight the events that have taken place and relate to HPC review of
the permit application to raze the structure and garage at 358 Marshall Avenue in the Hill
Historic District:
ATTACHMENT 1(pages Al-1 to A1-16)
The application materials were submitted and include an HPC application form, letter from owners
Real Estate Development Group, and several eachibits.
ATTACHMENT 2(pages A2-17 to A2-24)
The HPC resolution which was adopted on October 9, 2003 and the written order to the applicant
is attached. The staff report includes the guidelines for review, the findings and recommended
approval of the application.
ATTACHMENT 3(pages A3-25 to A3-30)
The approved minutes ofthe September 25, 2003 public hearing meeting that addresses the hearing
for 358 Marshall Avenue.
ATTACHMENT 4 (pages A4-31)
The request for an appeal by owners and applicants Real Estate Development Group.
ATTACHMENT 5(pages AS-32 to AS-48)
Testimonies received in writing for the September 25, 2003 HPC meering to supplement oral tesrimony.
Letter of support from Mayor Randy Kelly
Charles Senkler, business owner, support
Summit University Planning Council, concerned, needs more information
Vernon Harms, Board of Directors ChrisYs Household of Faith, opposition
Barb & Chuck Gudknecht, opposition
Cynthia Holton, 464 Marshall, opposition to proposed new building
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358 Mazshall appeal
October 14, 2003
Susan Ciarke, opposition to proposed new building
Kate Bradford, 221 Mackubin, opposition to proposed new building
Brita Kulach, 530 Mazshall, opposition
Teresa Tierney, 473 Marshall, opposition to proposed new building
Erika Perrault, 463 Marshall, opposition to proposed new building
Sally Rubinstein, 442 Dayton, opposition
Lara Duddingston, 443 Holly, opposition
Theresa Upchurch, North Star Consultants, 447 Marshall, opposition
Fran Jackson, 447 Marshall #6, opposition to proposed new building
Mike Schuxnann, opposition to proposal
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Saint Paul Heritage Preservation Commission
C/o Office ofLicense, Inspections and Environmental Prctection
35D Saint Peter Street, Suite 300
Saint Paul, MN 55102
Phone: (651) 266-9078
HERITAGE PRESERVATION COMMISSION
DESIGN REVIEW APPLIi�ATION
This application must be completed in addiGon to the appropriate ciry permit application if the affected
property is an individually designated landmazk or located within an historic disttict. For applications that
must be reviewed by the Heritage Pieservation Commission refer to the HPC Meeting schedule for meefing
dates and deadlines.
Please check the cateQory that best describes the proposed work
❑ Repair/Rehabilitation ❑ Sign/Awning ❑ New Conshuction/Addition
❑ Moving ❑ FencefRetaining W all ❑ Concept Review Only
�Demolition ❑ Other
Street and number: �S8 ���� , Zip Code: �j �/D �
Name of contact person:
Company:
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Completely describe ALL exterior changes being proposed for the progerty. Include
changes to architectural details such as windows, doors, siding, railings, steps, trim, roof,
foundarion or porches. Attach speciticafions for doors, windows, lighting and other
features, if applicable, including color and material samples.
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**INCOMPLETE APPLICATIONS WILL TSE RETURNED**
ARE THE NECESSARY ATTACEIMENTS AND INFORMATION INCLUDED?
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Will any federal money be used in this project?
Are you applying for the Inveshnent TaY Credats?
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REAL ESTATE DEVELOPI'VIENT GROUP
September 8, 2003
Ms. Amy Spong
Saint Paul Heritage Preservation Commission
C/o Office of License, Inspecrions and Environmental Protect.on
350 Saint Peter Street, Suite 300
Saint Paul, MN 55102-1510
Re: Narrarive Addressing Findings For The Demolition Of 358 Marshall Avenue
Dear Ms. Spong:
As you are aware, we have applied for a demolition permit for 358 Marshall Avenue, which is
part of the Saint Paul Heritage Preservation District. After meering with you on August 26,
2003, I would like to comment on each of the four findings thGt you will be required to make as
part of the Section 73.Q6 (j)(2) of the St_ Paul Legislative Code as it relates to this demolition
application.
As stated in the Code, in the case of the proposed demolihon of a building, prior to approval oY
said demolifion, the commission shall make written findings o:� the following:
(1) The architectural and historical merit of the building;
(2) The effect of the demolition on surroundmg buildmgs;
(3) The effect of any proposed new construcrion on tl:e remamder of the buildmg (mc
case of partial demolirion); and,
(4) The econosnic value or usefulness of the building as it now exists, or if altered or
modified in comparison with the value of usefulness of any proposed structures
designate to replace the present building or buildings.
I would like to comment on each of the four findings below as part of our application.
(1) In terms of the architectural and historical merit of the liui�ding, I understand that this is a
finding that you will make based on your historical data ar.d research. For your information,
our research has not found any data suggesting that the builders, residents or other
individuals associated with the duplex at 358 Marshall Avenue had a contributing role to the
St. Paul Heritage Preservation District. `
(2) I expect that the entire shucture of the duplex and the detar,hed garage would be demolished
andlor moved to another site. Since the duplex is a free standing structure, I expect the
demolition of the building to have no adverse effect on the adjoining propert�es.
(3) Since this is not a partial demolition, this finding does not apply.
(4) We examined the value of using the building as a continued renta} versus demolition and
replacing it with our proposal for a 68 unit for sale condominium project. Here is my
analysis of the economic value and usefulness of the Duplex as it stands today.
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Navrative Addressin2 Findin2s For The Demolition Of 358 Marshall Avenue '
Each of the units in the duplex located at 358 Mazshall Ave, contains two bedrooms and one
bathroom. The building is an Up/Down configuration wif� a common basement and
common detached garage.
The building has a gross potential rent on an annual basis �f $19,824.00 with zero vacancy.
Expenses for the building include all of the following items:
Insurance: $1,374.00
. Gas Heat: $1,896.00
. Properry TaYes: $2,550.00
. Repairs / Maintenance $3,500.00
. Trash Removal: $720.00
. Lawn/Snow: $900.00
. Supplies: $250.00
. Management Fee: $991.20
The total expenses on an annual basis are $12,181.20.
The value of an income producing property is based upon the Net Operahng Income that the
property is capable of producing. The Net Operating Income (NOn of 358 Marshall Ave. is
$7,642.80. Investors will apply a capitalization rate of 9%-10% and apply it to the NOI and
anive at a value. Using this common analysis, 358 Marshall has an economic value of
$76,000 -$85,000.
There are many capital improvements that are needed and much d�ffered mamtenance lefr
over from the previous owner. The heating plant in the building is over SOyrs old and is in
need of replacement. The roof of the building is over 15yi s old and is m need of
replacement. The plumbing throughout the building is a nxixture of old galvanized pipe,
]ead, and newer copper. The water pressure throughout th'e building is poor. The previoue
owner had installed a pressurization pump to help with thi; issue, Uut the puinp no longer
works. The foundarion of the building has leaked in the past and is in need of tuck-pointmg.
The siding on the building is stucco over siding and the stucco is cracked and crumbling in
places. The lower level apartment is in need of a complete gut and remodel in order to
maintain occupancy. The electrical service in the building' is not up to code
All of these items are capital improvements that cost signi�, icant amounts of money (approx
$85,000) but don't directly impact the income of the propetty as a rental unit. The total cost
of the needed improvements is roughly equal to the econotnic value of the structure as rt
stands today.
With that in mind, we paid $250,000 for the duplex, three':imes the economic value of the
building. The means we over paid by approximately $165;000 for the building to improve
the building we would have to spend at a minimum, the entire economic value of the
building, or at least $85,Q00, increasing our loss to $25Q,QQ0, ar the complete value of what
we paid for the building. This financial analysis dictates that we find an alternative use for
the land, which in this case involves demolition of the duplex, and combining that land to
complete our 68 unit for sale condominium project, where the cost of the land can not only
be recouped by the project, but earn a reasonable economic return. .
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Narrative Addressin2 Fir:direps For Tke DemoZition Of358 Marskall Avenue '
As part of this application, I am also submitting the following exhibits to assist you in completmg
your written findings. E�ubits I-6 will help give you a detail�d overview of the duplex at 3�8
Marshall Avenue and the surrounding buildings.
E�ibits 7-8 are a preliminary elevarion and site for the 68-unit building we will be proposing for
this site and the adjoining site if our demolition application is approved. It is important to
remember that Exhibits 7-8 are preliminary and will involve stlbstantially more feedback and
changes as we continue through our approval processes and aoopt the comments of the Summit
University Planning Council and Ramsey Hill Associarion neighborhood groups, as well as the
Saint Paul Heritage Preservarion Commission, and St. Paul Zcaing and Planning Deparhnent.
Attached E�ibits
➢ Exhibit 1: Aistoric Hill Heritage Preservation District Map w/ Highlighted Project
Locarion
➢ Exhibit 2: Zoning Map w/ Highlighted Project Location
➢ Exhibit 3: Photographs of 358 Marshall Avenue
➢ Exhibit 4: Exisfing Conditions Site Plan
➢ Exhibit 5: Aerial Photograph (SK-8)
➢ Exhibit 6: Photographs of Surrounding Area/ Bwidmgs
➢ Exhibit 7: Westem and Marshall Proposed Prel�minary Exterior Elevations/ SiYe
Photograph
➢ Exhibit 8: Weatem and Mazshal1 Proposed Prelirr,inary Floor Plans/ Site Plan/ Unit
Breakdown
As part of this application narrative, I would also request that after you have had a chance to
complete your preliminary findings, that we have an opporiunity to meet with you again to
further comment on any areas that we may have missed, or tha� may require further information
or analysis on our part.
I want to personally thank you for taking the rime to consider our application, and we look
fon�ard to worldng with you on the successful completion of uvhat I believe will be a great
project for St. Paul, its residents and the St. Paul Heritage Preservation Commission.
Very fixly yours,
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Real Estate Development Group
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CITY OF SAINT PAUL
HERITAGE PRESERVATION COIVTD�IISSION RESOLUTION
FILE NUMBER 03-398
DATE September 25, 2003 (Adopted October 9, 2003)
WHEREAS, the Saint Paul Heritage Preservation Commission (fII'C) is authorized by Chapter 73 of the
Saint Paul Legislative Code to review pernut applicarions for exterior alterarions, new construcfion or
demolition on or wiYhin designated Heritage Preservafion Sites or ileritage Preservafion Dish and
WHEREAS, The Real Estate Development Group applied for a d°molition permit to raze the house and
garage at 358 Marshall Avenue in order to construct a six story 68-unit condominium building; and
WHEREAS, the structure at 358 Marshall Avenue is a two st,�ry Victorian Era house with stucco
walls and a cross gabled roof. An inventory form was not pr��sent in the file, however, the house
appears to have been constructed pre-1900. Despite many alterations over the years, some
remaining character defining features are decorative brackets and a two story bay with elaborate
cornice and bracketing on the west side. The front and side apen porches do not appear to be
part of the original design. The two bay house is asymmetrical with the main entrance offset; and
WHEREAS, the following is the citation in the City's Legislative Code conceming HPC review of
demolition permits:
Chapter 73, Herftage Preservation Commission; Section 73.06, Review of permits; Paragraph
{i), Factors to be considered; Before approving any permit application required under
paragraph (d) of this section to be approved by the heritage preservation commission, the
comrnission shall make fzndings based on the program for the preservation and architectural
control for the heritage preservation site in regard to the following:
(I) In the case of the proposed demolition ofa building, prior to approval afsaid demalition, the
commission shail make writ[en fenciings on the following:. the arckitectural and historical merit
of the building, the effect of the demolition on surrounding buildings, the effect of any proposed
new construction on the remainder of the building (in case of partial demolition) and on
surrounding buildings, and the economic value or usefulness of the building as it now exists or
if altered or modified in comparison with the value ar usefulness of any proposed structures
designated to r the present building or buildings i
WHEREAS, relevant portions of the Historic Hill Dzstrict Guidelines that pertain to the proposed
demolition inciude the following:
1. Every reasonable effort shall be made to provide a compatoble use for a property which requires
minimal alteration of the building, structure, or site and its environment, or to use a property for its
originally intended purpose.
Demalition
YVhen reviewing proposals for demolition of structures within lhe district, the Heritage Preservation
Commission refers to Section 73.06 (i)(2) of the Saint Paul Legislative Code which states the
following:
In the case of the proposed demolition of a building, prior to approval of said demolition, the
cammission sha11 make written findings on the following: the architectural and historical merit of
the building, the effect of the demolition on surrounding buildings, the effect of any proposed new
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construction an the remainder of the buiZding (in case of partial demoZition) and an surrounding
buildings, and the economic value or usefulness of the buiZding as it now exists or if altered or
modified iri comparison with the value or usefulness of any proposed siructures designated to
replace the present building or buildings; and
WHEREAS, the Saint Paul Heritage Preservarion Commission, based upon the evidence presented at its
September 25, 2003 public hearing on said proposal, made the fol..owing findings of fact concerning the
proposed demolition:
l. The economic value or usefulness of the buiZding as it now exists or if altered or modified in
comparison with the vaZue or usefulness of any proposed str�uctures designated to replace the present
building or buildings. To approve a demolition permit at this time would not be appropriate
given the lack of information regarding the viability of thv structure. Detailed structural
informarion, rehabilitation costs and a feasibility study w.3s not included as part of the
application.
2. The effect of the demolition on surrounding buildings. Apartment buildings were late arrivals in
the Summit-Hill neighborhood and they were largely bui�t to expand the income base as
rental properties. As eazly as 1901, Sutnmit Avenue had restrictions regarding the
construction of apartment buildings in order to maintain the neighborhood's character of
single family homes. A factor of why the neighborhood was not totally lost to apartment
buildings was because the early aparhnent boom was restricted to two periods: 1901 and the
1920s. The character of the neighborhood would be com �romised if this scale of house were
lost on a lot by lot basis and replaced by monolithic apartment buildings.
3. The architectural and historical merit of the build[ng. The design of this house is typical of a
pattern book example from the mid-1880s. This type of house was once very common in the
neighborhood and were often the first to disappear.
BE IT RESOLVED, that based on the above findings, the Heritage Preservation Commission denies
approval of the demolition permit to raze the house and garage at 358 Marshall Avenue.
MOVED BY Younkin
SECONDED BY R. Meyer
IN FAVOR 5
AGAINST 2
ABSTAIN 2
Decisions of the Heritage Preservation Commission are final, subject to appeal to the City Council within
14 days by anyane affected by the decision. This resolution does'.not obviate the need for meeting
applicable building and zoning code requirements, and does not �onsfitute approval for tax credits.
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OFFICE OF L•.CENSE, INSPECTtONS AND
ENVII20NMENTALPROTECTION
Janeen E. Rosus, Director
SAfNi
PAUL
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Randy C. Kelly, Mayar
LOYi'RYPROFESSIONAL BUZLDING
Suite 300
350 St PeterS!reet
Saint Paul, Minnesom 55702-I510
Telephone: 651-266-9090
Facsimile: 651-266-9099
September 29, 2003
Spiros Zotbalas
Real Estate Aevelopment Group
800 Franklin Avenue West
Minneapolis, MN 55405
Re: 358 Marshall Avenue, Hill Historic District
File #FIPCO3-398, demolition permit
Dear Mr. Zorbalas:
As you Imow, the Heritage Preservarion Commission (HPC) considered at its September 26,
2003 meefing your application to raze the property listed above. The commission voted 5 to 2
with 2 abstentions to deny yow application. This decision was based on the discussion at the
public hearing, public testimony and Fmdings made by the commission. A resolution will be
adopted by the HPC at the next regularly scheduled meeting on October 9, 2003 and the
resolution will be mailed to you after that date.
You or any aggrieved pariy has the right to appeal the Commiss�on's decision to the Saint Paul
City Council under Chapter 73 of the Saint Paul Legislative Coc9e. Such an appeal must be
filed within 14 days of the date of the FIPC's order and decision. Chapter 73 states:
(hJ Appeal to city counci[. The permit applicant or any party aggrieved by the decision of the
herit¢ge preservation commission shall, within fourteen (14) days ofthe date of the heritage
preservation commission's order and decision, have a right to appeal such order ¢nd decisian to
the city council. The appeal shall be deemed perfected upon receipt by the division ofplanning
[LIEP] oftwa (2) copies of a notice ofappeal and statement settingforth the graunds for the
appeal. The division ofplanning [LIEP] sha11 transmit one copy of the notice ofappeal and
statement to the city council and one copy to the heritage preservation commission. �he
commission, in any written order denying a permit application; shall advise the applicant ofthe
right to appeal to the city counci! and include this paragraph i,z all such orders.
Please feel free to call me at 651.266.9079 if you have any questions.
Sincerely,
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Amy Spong
Aistoric Preservation Specialist
ce: Collaborative Design Group
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CITY OF SAINT PAUL
HERITAGE PRESERVATION COMMISSION STAFF REPORT
FILE NAME: 358 Marshall Avenue
DATE OF APPLICATION: August 8, 2003
APPLICANT: Real Estate Development Group
DATE OF HEARING: September 25, 2003
HPC SITE/DISTRICT: Hill Historic District
CATEGORY: per findings, non-contributing
CLASSIFICATION: demolition permit
STAFF INVESTIGATION AND REPORT: Amy Spong '
DATE: September 16, 2003
A. SITE DESCffiPTION:
358 Mazshall Avenue is a two story Victorian Era house with scucco walls and a cross gabled roof.
An inventory foxm was not present in the file, however, the house appears to have been conshucted
pre-1900. Despite many alterations over the yeazs, some remaining character defining features are
decorative brackets and a two story bay with elaborate comice and bracketing on the west side. The
front and side open porches may have their original roofs but the railings and columns appear to
have been replaced. The two bay house is asymmetrical with the main entrance offset.
B. PROPOSED CAANGES:
The applicant is seeking approval to raze the two- and one-half story shucture and garage in order to
construct a six story condominium building on the property and adjoining vacant lots.
C. GUIDELINE CITATIONS:
Historic Hil[ District Guidelines
1. Every reasonable effort sha11 be made to provide a compatible use for a property which requires
minimal alteration of the building, structure, or- site and its environment, or to use a property for its
originally intended purpose.
Moving of Structures
Proposals for moving structures out of the Historic Hill Dzstrict are reviewed using the guidelines for
demolition. Propasals far moving structures onto property Zocazed within the district are reviewed
using the guidelines for new constructian as well as guidelines f��r restoration and rehabilitation.
Proposals for moving structures within the district are reviewed using guidelines for all of the above.
Demolition
When reviewing pvoposals for demolition ofstructures within the districf, the Heritage Preservation
Commission refers to Section �3.06 (I)(2) of the Saint Paul Legislative Code which states the following.
In the case of the proposed demolition of a building, prior to ap�rovat af said demolition, the
commission shall make written findings on the following.• the architectural and historical merit of the
building, the effect of the demolition on surrounding buildings, the effect of any proposed new
construction on the remainder of the building (in case of partial demolition) and on surrounding
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buildings, and the economic value or usefulness of the buidding as it now exists or if altered or modified
in comparison with the vatue or usefutness of any proposed structures designated to replace the present
buiZding or buildings.
SECRETARYOF THE INTERIOR'S STANDARDS FOR REHA BILITATION
D'utrictlNeighborhood
Recommended:
-Identifying, retaining, and preserving buildings, and streetscape, and Zandscape features which are
important in defining the overall historic character of the distri�t or neighborhood. Such features can
include streets, alleys, paving, walkways, street lights, sigrts, benches, parks and gardens, and trees.
-Retaining the historic relationship between buildings, and streetscape and Zandscape features such as a
[own square comprised of row houses and stores surrounding a communal park or open space.
-Pr and maintaining the historic masonry, wood, and architectural metals which comprise building
and streetscape features, through appropriate surface treatmenas such as cleaning, rust removal, limited
paint removal, and reapplication ofprotective coating systems; xnd protecting and maintaining
landscape features, includingplant material.
-Repairingfeatures of the buildirag, streetscape, or Zandscape by reinforcing the historic materials. Repair
will also generally include the replacemen[ in kind - or with a compatible substitute material - of those
extensively deteriorated or missing parts of features when there are surviving pratatypes such as porch
balustrades, paving materials, or street[ight standards.
-Replacing in kind an entire feature of the building, streetscape, or Zandscape that is too deteriarated to
repair - when the overall form and detailing are still evident - using the physical evidence to guide the
new work. This could include a storefront, a walkway, or a garden. If using the same kind of material
is not technically or economically feasible, then a compatible substitute material may be considered.
Alterations/Additioxs far the New Use
-Designing required new parking so that it is as unobtrusive as poss�ible, i.e., on side streefs or at the rear of
buildings. "Shared"parking should also be planned so that several business' can utilize one parking
area as oppased to introducing random, muZtiple lots.
-Designing and constructing new additions to histor•ic buildings when sequired by the new use. New work
should be compatible with the historic character of the district or neighborhood in terms of size, scale,
desigre, material, color, and texture.
-Removing nonsignificant buildings, additions, or streetscape and landscape features which detract from the
historic character of the district or the neighborhood.
Not Recommended:
-Removing or radically changing those features of the district or neighborhood which are important in
defzning the overall historic character so that, as a result, the character is diminished.
-Removing or relocating historic buildings, or featur•es of the streetscape and landscape, thus destroying the
historic relationship beriveen buildings, features dnd open spacE.
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-Faiting to undert¢ke adequate measures to assure the preservation of building, streetscape, and landscape
features.
-Removing a feature of the building, streetscape, or Zandscape that is unrepairable and not replacing it; or
replacing it with a new feature that daes not convey the same visual appearance.
Design for Missing Historic Features
-Introducing a new building, streetscape or Zandscape feature that i; out ofscale or otherwise inappropriate
to the setring's historic character, e.g., replacing picket fencing with chain Zink fencing.
AlterationslAdditians for the New Use
-Placing parking faciZzties directZy adjacent to historic buildings wl ach cause the removal of historic
plantings, relocation of paths and walkways, or blocking of alle�s.
-Introducing new construction into historic distrzcts that is visually '^ncompatible or that destroys historic
relationships within the district or neighborhood.
-Removing a historic building, building feature, or Zandscape or str.. etscape feature that is important in
defening the overall historic character of the district or the neighborhood.
E. FINDINGS:
1. The building is not classified in the Hill Historic District Nomination (only a small percentage
of buildings are described in the Nomination) and an inventory form was not present in the file.
2. The architectural and historical merit of the building. As the house stands currently, staff does
not feel that it contributes to the historical chazacter of the district due to its altered state—mainly
the stucco and porch detailing which does not appear original.
The property has also lost some of the context in which it was first constructed. It is the only
property remaining on this block that faces Marshall Avenu e. Permit index cards for 360
Marshall state that the property was wrecked in 1971 and 366-368 Marshall was wrecked in
1966. Accarding to the 1928 plat map of St. Paul, this block has lost approximately six
properties. The loss of these buildings has compromised the Marshall and Western Avenue
sides of the block and to a lesser degree, has diminished the character of Dayton Avenue.
Given the massing, remaining detailing and early construction date (during the period of
significance far the district), this properiy wouid conh the historic district if
rehabilitated. If the property were moved to another locaticn within the district or nearby,
among houses of similar massing and scale, the house coulc'I become a contributing feature for
the district.
Staff has not found other historical associations, such as pexsons that have contributed in some
way to St. Paul's history and development or an azchitect or association with an important event,
with this property.
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3. The effect of the demolition on surrounding buildings. Given the statement above regarding
context, staff believes the effect of demolirion on surround:ng buildings to be minimal,
although, it is always better to retain historic fabric type buildings that are associated with the
development of the district than it is to demolish and create another large hole in the district.
This building currently does not have similar massing or integriry as St. Joseph's Academy
(individually designated site) across the street or with the 2'!Z to 3'/� story brick and sided
apartment buildings on the rest of the block.
4. The economic value or usefulness of the building as it now �ists or if altered or modifed in
comparison with the value ar usefulness of any proposed s, ructures designated to replace the
present buitding or buildings. Per the applicanYs applicati �n (attached), the current use of the
properiy as a duplex has annual expenses totaling $12,181. !0. The application also states the
economic value of the income pzoducing properiy was esti*:lated at $76,000 to $85,000.
Necessary capital improvements and correcting deferred maintenance was also estimated at the
economic value of approximately $85,000 (this figure most likely does not include restoration of
the siding and porches). The applicant also stated that they purchased the property for $250,000.
Staff did not receive information from the applicant that an adaptive re-use for the existing
building was explored.
The applicant stated that the proposed new condo building would earn a reasonabie economic
return.
5. While a formal concept review of the proposed new construction is not a part of this review, the
Secretary of the Interior's Standards recommend against `7ntroducing a new building,
streetscape or Zandscape feczture that is out ofscale or otherwise inappropriate to the setting's
historic character, ..." and "Introducing new construction into historic districts that is visually
incompatible or that destroys historic relationships within the district or neighborhood. "
F. STAFF RECOMMENDATION:
Based on the findings, staff recommends approval of the demo.ition permit contingent on approval
by the HPC and issuance of a building permit for the proposed new construction (staff has concerns
regarding the scale and massing of the proposed building in relation to the historic district and the
individually designated St. Joseph's Academy across the streeti.
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CITY OF SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA
Room 40, Lower L,evel, City HalUCourt House
September 25, 2003
Present: Michael Byrd, Richard Faricy, Lee Meyer, Raymon3 Meyer, Dudley Younldn, Susan
Bartlett Foote, 7ames Bellus, Gar Hargens (C,hair), Daniel Sc �tt, Paul Larson
Absent: Pat Igo (excused),Shari Taylor Wilsey (excused), Ri�hard Murphy
Staff Present: Wendy Lane, Amy Spong, Philip Waugh
1. CALL TO ORDER: 5:00 by G. Hazgens (Chair)
2. APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA : Announcements moved to the end of the agenda.
Agenda approved as revised.
3. CONFLICTS OF INTEREST: Faricy recused hims ;lf from agenda item N C.
4. PERMIT REVTEW/PUBLIC HEARING:
A. Applicants for item A were not present so it was shifted in the agenda.
B. 875 Summit Avenue, William Mitchell College of Law, Hill Historic District,
by Perkins and Will Architects, for a demolition permit to raze a 1965
addition and a building permit to construct a new addition in its place. File
#HPCO3-399
Waugh presented the staff report recommending approval of the demolition permit
application and the building permit application. Mark Nelson and Tony Lane, from
Perkins & Will, were both present to answer question;s. Hargens asked for and received
confirmation that the brick will match the existing as ��lose as possible. Bellus expressed
concern about the glass connection, stating the north elevation was stazk and the south
elevation was not. Lane responded that they were trying to make the connection
disappear.
No one was present to speak for or against the project and the public hearing was closed.
Larson motioned to approve the proposal. Bellus asked for and was granted approval
that the demolition decision and the building decision be two separate motions. Bellus
stated that he would support the demolition but did nct believe that an adequate job had
been done regazding the new design and would not su�port the new construction. Foote
motioned to approve the demolition and Larson second the motion. Motion passed
unanimously.
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Larson morioned to approve the proposal for new construction and Byrd second the
mation. Bellus commented that there is so much more this building could be. Hazgens
stated that he has seen connectars that have been successes and advised to keep the
connection as mirumal as possible. Larson stated he could have seen the design moving
in a different direction but felt the architects have responded to several of the HPC
concerns. Motion passes 9 to 1(Bellus).
A. 283 Dayton Avenue, Hill Historic District, t.y owner, for a building permit to
construct a shed dormer, replace three win lows and front door (This work
was started without required approvals). File #HPCO3-397.
Spong presented the staff report recommending: 1: A,.�proval of the shed dormer as
constructed with the detailing proposed on the submitted drawings, including a condition
to change the vinyl casement windows to wood doub. � hung windows; 2. Approval of the
frieze board, dentils, front door, wide trim board and �rapping the window trim in
aluminum; 3. Approval of the aluxninum soffit with tie condition that the beadboard
panels be changed to a flat aluminum panel OR apprc val of retuming the soffit to wood
as it existed; 4. Denial of the installed front window -�ith arch and the condition that two
wood 2-over-2 double hung windows be installed in the same size and configuration that
was existing (matching the neighboring house at 287 ,�ayton); 5. Denial of the proposed
front porch changes with a recommendafion that the a+�plicant work with staff to resubmit
a design for the front porch.
Byrd asked for and received clarification that there is no precedence for the use of an
arched window over two double hung windows in the Italianate style. Larson asked for
the rationale of staffs recommendation of the shed dormer. Spong stated that it is a
minimal impact, below the ridegline and did not disrupt the soffit
Chazlie Rossley and Henry Schnitzer, owners and applicants, spoke stating that they are
accepting of the staff recommendations in the report, although, they really like the
rounded arch window but staff is very cleaz in the findings. L. Meyer asked for and
received confumation that the function of the dormer was serving as headroom for a
future third floor bedroom. Larson asked far and received clarification that the existing
soffit was plywood wrapped in aluminum. Byrd asked the applicants if they reviewed the
staff recommendations and had any objections. The applicants replied yes.
No one else was present to speak for or against the pr<�posal and the public hearing was
closed.
L. Meyer motioned to approve staff recommendations 2, 3 iF soffit was wood, 4 and
5 and denial of the shed dormer stating tLat it was'not consistent with the style of
the house and does not have a precedent. Younkiu seconded the motion. Foote
disagreed with the removal of the shed dormer. Larsen stated support for the motion and
asked for a friendly amendment that the sofTit be s�ecified as tongue and groove lx3-
4 not plywood beadboard and wanted staff to revie,w and approve final plans for the
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arch window replacement. L. Meyer accepted the friendly amendment. Byrd asked
if there was a dormer that would be acceptable or common to the Italianate style. Larson
did not think a dormer works with that style of house but would accept a smaller version
of that proposed. L. Meyer again stated that he does not think the Italianate style can
carry a dormer. Foote stated she understood that ifthe dormer was not an obtrusive
design than it would be approved. BelIus agreed with Foote stating the commission has
had an inconsistent policy when dealing with dormers in general. Larson stated that his
issue is with the size and scale, its not about not ha�ing a dormer at all. Byrd asked for a
friendly amendment that the commission not reject th : idea of a dormer outright. L.
Meyer accepted the friendly amendment. The motior� passes 9 to 1(Bellus).
C. 358 Marshall Avenue, Aill Historic District, by Real Estate Development
Group, for a demolition permit to raze a t� u story house and garage in order �
� to construct a six story 68-unit condo building on lot and adjacent vacant
lots. Rile #HPCO3-398.
Spong presented the staff report recommending apprcval of the demoliton pernut
contingent on approval by the HPC and issuance of a`�uilding permit far the proposed
new construction. Foote asked a procedural question.�egazding the transition ft�n
demolition permit to building permit. Bellus asked for and received clarification that a
demolition permit would not be signed until the buildmg permit process was complete.
Brian Pergomont, with Real Estate Development Gro.zp, spoke about the need to get
contingent approval so tHey can refine the design boundaries. Pergomont stated that he
and his company are invested in the neighborhood an�i they own and manage 100
apartments in the area. Bellus asked about the price points for the condos and Pergomont
stated it was too early to determine, Byrd asked for a rationale for six stories in the new
building. Bill Hickey, of Collaborative Design Group, stated that this was the same
height as the Commodore and Blair House and would haue underground pazking. Hickey
stated that the next two to four months are reserved for the review process and
neighborhood meetings. Pergomont stated that the height is not defined yet and views
and sunlight of neighboring structures will not be imp'acted. Bellus dissuaded the
applicants from using the Blair House and the Commodore for a height comparison
because they were unique and located on different types of streets and corridors. Younkin
asked for a reiteration of the need for this 358 Marsha!l lot in the design. Pergomont
stated that the quality of life needs for the complex necessitate the removal of the duplex.
Hickey stated that the square footage and the odd ball nature of the site dictate the need to
take down the duplex. � �
Hargens asked for public testimony and urged those wanting to speak to stick to the topic
of the demolition of 358 Marshall Avenue. (Staff handed out written public testimony
that was received prior to the public hearing and stated that the handouts included 13
letters; 12 were against the demolition and/or proposel new construction and 1 was in
support of the demolition and new consh A lelter of support from Mayor Randy
Kelly was also passed out).
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Rick Igo the previous owner of 358 Marshall spoke and stated that the front porch was
not original and that its sister house was removed many years ago. He stated that he did
much of the work on the building and that it was never contributing to the district. Also
stated that its economically unfeasible to rehab it. He spoke far the demolition but had
reservation about the proposed new construction.
Chris Yerkes, 501 Ashland, spoke against the demolition.
Mary Texe, 113 Farrington, spoke against demolition.
Manuel Melendez, 496 Marshall, spoke against demo'.ition.
Mark Voerding, 113 Parrington, spoke against demol tion.
Ruth Hylmer, 467 Marshall, spoke against demolitior,.
Jim McDonough, 627 Selby, spoke against demolition.
Tony Kuldch, 530 Marshall, spoke against demolitior .
Chris Yerkes spoke again asking for historic contexts to be written about St Paul
Hargens closed the public hearing.
Younkin motioned to deny the permit application stating that there was not enough
information provided on the costs and viability of � he existing structure. Ray Meyer
second the motion. Bellus believed that the house hks no historic value and agrees with
the staff recommendation. Bellus also stated that he �✓ould not support the proposed new
construction, but there is a need to separate the demol:tion perniit and the building
permit. Byrd stated that the surrounding blocks are siz�gle family homes. Bellus
disagreed. Larson stated that he supports the motion : ar two reasons:l . Apartments aze
late arrivals to the area and he would hate to see sma11 units supplanted by monolithic
apartments, changing the scale of the neighborhood, and 2. The house is representative of
a pattern book house from the 1880s. Younkin moved to adopt Larson's points as
£ndings as friendly amendment. Motion to deny passes 5-2 (Bellus and Scott) �vith
two abstentions (Hargens and Faricy).
Bellus asked what direction does the HPC have for the applicant. Younkin stated he
wants a dollar value on rehab costs. Larson believed that the rehabilitation of the house
may not make sense unless its part of a larger development project. Bellus wants
clarification of whats expected of the applicant. Byrd,commended the applicant for
coming before the HPC at this point in the process, st<iting it was a good decision. Byrd
stated that if the issue is economic hardship than demqlition may be okay, but not enough
information was provided to make a decision. Foote thinks we need concrete numbers.
D. 333 Irvine Avenue, Hill Aistoric District, by Mary Hennessy, for a demolition
permit to raze a one-and-a-half story house in order to construct a detached
three story house on lot and a detached thre e story house on adjacent vacant
lot. F71e #HPCO3-400.
Waugh presented the staff report recommending appresval of the demolition permit
contingent on approval by the HPC and issuance of a building pernut for the proposed
new construction. Aaron Kodosh, architect far the project, stated that the owner, Mary
Hennessey, would like some positive reinforoement tc go forward with the design process
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and asked for the demolition to be considered. Kodosh stated that they hired a
mechanical engineering firm to conduct a feasibility study if the home were to be
restored. Younlcin asked for and received confirmation that the square footage is about
800 square feet. Foote stated that there are nwmbers to evaluate the economic conditions
and have seen the proposed single development which is consistent with the
neighborhood.
The public hearing was opened. Tom Stonburner, en�ineer for `I`KDA, representing the
home owner of 339 Irvine stated that they would like to see some vibration limits put into
place if 333 Irvine is demolished. Staff stated that there is language in the building code.
Lazson asked for and received confirmarion that the C�cretary of the Interior's Standazds
talk about protecting adjacent historic resources. Dean Soser, owner of 339-41 Irvine
Avenue, is not opposed to the demolition and buildin ; two single family houses. Karen
Alvaloz, of 331 Irvine Avene, is not opposed to the d.;molition and is asucious to have
improvements along Irvine Avenue. Alvaloz stated that they would like to be brought
into the process and then thanked the HPC for their t} oroughness they conducted the
meeting. The pubiic hearing was closed.
Bellus motioned to approve the demolition and Fa �te offered a second. Bellus stated
that this building has costs that are almost equal to the value of the building and notes that
for the previous case the estimated costs are $85,000 ..hat are equal to the value of the
rental property. Byrd stated that there could be a lengthy conversation about how the
values are calculated for rental versus ownership and stated that this owner calculated the
market value based on the tas assessment. Larson stated that he supports Bellus but
clarified the difference in this decision versus his prior decision. Larson stated that this
house is very simple and the context in which this house stood has been lost. Motion
passes 7 to 0 with 2 abstentions (Faricy, R. Meyer).
E. 624 Summit Avenue, Hill Historic District, by owner, for a building permit to
insta1178 triple-track aluminum storm windows. File #HPCO3-407.
Spong presented the staff report and recommended denial of the building permit
application. Gwynne Evans, owner and applicant, stated that the triple track is a stronger
product. Larson stated that they need to see drawings s�r a sample of the product in order
to vote on this matter.
No one was present to speak for or against the proposal and the public hearing was
ciosed.
Younkin motioned to lay over the case until next meeting and in the mean time have
the applicant bring in a sample or a drawing. Fart`cy seconded the motion. Foote
stated that we constantly have to keep reevaluating palicies as new products emerge and
the issue is not the number of tracks but the impact ori the window and frame. Motion
passed unanimously.
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5. STAFF ANNOUNCEMENTS
• Spong stated that Council Member Lantry ask�d staff far a report to the HRA
regarding the context of 800 E. Third Street, which is classified as a pivotal
structure in the Dayton's Bluff District.
• Spong stated that Island Station, off of Shepazd Road, is listed as a potential
historic resource and is currently being considered for redevelopment. If
interested, tours by the developers take place every second and fourth Thursday at
3pm. Just show up at the building.
• Spong stated that a fust draft of the revised ox3inance has been sent from Peter
Warner and that the task force should set up a meeting to go over. The meeting
was scheduled for 8am on October 3 at Commissioner Meyer's house.
6. ADJOURNMENfi: 8:05 pm
APPROVED AS AMENDED October 9, 2003
Submitted By: Amy Spong and Philip Waugh
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VGi FACSMILEd�S�66:�899) AND (7SMAILS
Septembex 28, 2003
Ms. Amy Spong
Saint Paul Heritage Preservation Commission
C/o Office of License, Inspecrions and Envixonmenhl Protec[ion
350 Samt Peter Street, Suite 300
Saint Paul, MN 55102-I510
Re: Appeal to vote to deny demolition permit for 358 Ma�hall Avenue by FIPC
Deat Ms. 5pong:
This letter is intended to put the Ciry of St. PauI on notice that my company will be appealing the decisiott
by St. Paul Aeritage Preservation Commission ("HPC"), to the SP Paul City Council.
Our gcounds for appeal include, hut aze not limited to tfie followicg
(1) The HPC voted to deny the demotition peimit based on the findiugs that were without merit
and went against the staff report, a report that is reqitlired by Section 73.06 (j){2) oithe St.
Paul Legislafive Code as it re]ates m this demolirion application;
(2) That despite the fact that the HPC agreed wiffi the staff report on the economic value or ;
usefulness for the building as it now exists, it sHll wted to deny the demoliflon permit, a�d
created addirional follow=ap study that is without merit;
(3) That the HPC finding conceming the "azcluteccurai and historical merit of the building" was
azbihary and capricious; ;
(4) The HPC made fmdings fox the demolifion permit based on itrelevant and azbiffary '
information, instead of focusing on the findings required by Section 73.06 (j)(2) of the St,
Paul Legislative Code.
For the above reasons, and othecs that Fvili be further discussed at the time of our appeal, Real Estate
Development Groy�akpeals the denial of its demolition permit by the HPC.
Real Estate Devefopment Group
cc: Keliey LeStanc aad Bill Hickey, CoIIaborative Design Group
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CITY OF SAINT PAUL
Randy C. Kelly, Mayor
390 Ciry Ha1[
1 S West Ke(logg Bou[evard
Saint Paul, MN 55102
Telephone: 651-266-8510
Facsimiie: 651-266-SSI3
September 24, 2003
Mr. Gar Hazgens, Chair
Saint Paul Heritage Preservation Commission
548 Portland Avenue
Saint Paul, MN 55102
Dear Gar:
I am writing to offer my enthusiastic support for a proposed � �using project located at the
Southeast corner of Marshall and Western avenues in the His,oric Hili Heritage Preservafion
District. As you may know, Real Estate Development Group plans to constnxct 68 units of
condominium-style housing at this site.
One of my top priorities as Mayor is to develop 5,000 new housing units of all types and price
ranges in Saint Paul. This proposal would provide a large nurnber of units in a high-demand
neighborhood. In addition, it would attract over $18 million in private investment with no public
subsidy at a time when the City needs to expand its properry tas base.
I feel the pxoposal would be a quality addiUon to the Ramsey Hill neighborhood. Owner-
occupied housing would replace a vacant lot that currently stands as a blight to surrounding
properties. The density of housing proposed would add many new residents and strengthen the
vibrant mixed-use, pedestrian-friendly chazacter of the area.
I utge you to give full consideration to Rea1 Estate Development Group's proposal to construct
new housing at Marshall and Western avenues. I am confident that this development will be a
quality addition to the Historic Hill Preservation Aistrict and to the City of Saint Paul far decades
to come.
Sinc y,
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dy C. Kelly
ayor
c: Martha Fuller, PED
Amy Spong, LIEP
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From: "CHARLES SENKLER" <charlessenkler@msn.com>
To: <amy.spong@ci.stpaul.mn.us>
Date: 9/25/03 1034AM
Subject: 358 Marshal Avenue
Dear Amy-
Received info on the proposed demo of 358 Marshal and the condo development.
I as a business owner in the neighborhood and a resident am for the project.
The building at 358 is a wreck and the condos would be a positive move for the Marshal Avenue area.
1 have no knowtedge oF who is building the units, no hidden agenda but congratu{ate anyone who is willing
to invest and develop our neighborhood. Who really cares if the bu iding is te� feet higher then the spec.
Charles F Senkler
charl essen kler@m sn.com
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Summit University Planning Council
Building a Better Community
627 Selby Avenue
Saint Paul, MN 55104
Board of Directors
Yresident
Reverend DarrytSpence
Treasurer
Gail Graham
Secretary
Matthew P. Downs
Vice Chair
Car! Nelsan
Manuel Melendez, Jr.
Community Improvement
And Safety
David Peterson / Robert Hickman
Neighborhood Development
Cary Rembert
Outreach
Steve Wilson,
Hailie Q. Brown
Alice Neve
Lexington Outreach Library
Reverend Da�id Stewart
Dayton Avenue Presbyterian
Church
Harry Oda
University UNITED
Paul Rhodes Sr.
Stanley Gardner
�[orgen Lindquist
Mary Gardner
Amy Michael
Kathy Wiison
Kahlid Etfendi
srafj
Executive Director
James J. McDonough Jr., Ph.D.
Community Crime Prevention
Coordinatar
Office Manager
Jean Doyle
Phane:651-228-1855
Fax:651-225-1108
district8@tcpost.com
September 25, 2003
Aitn.: Amy Spong
Heritage Preservation Commission
Office of L'zcease, Inspection, and
Environmental Protection
300 Lowry Professional Building
350 St. Peter StreeY
Saint Paul, MN 55102 - 1510
RE: Demolition of 358 Mazshall
Avenue
Dear Ms. Spong:
The Summit-University Planning Council (SUPC) — District 8 received
notification of a Rezoning" request fr �m P-i, RM-2 to RM-3 of the above
noted properry at 358 Marshall Avenue, the South East corner of Western
Street and Marshall Avenue on Augzst 18, 2003. This item was placed on
the SUPC Neighborhood Development Committee's Community Meeting
agenda for September 16, 2403. On September 15, 2003, the project azchitect
called our office and informed us that the rezoning request had been
"temporarily tabled" to allow more time to consider the site plan.
The SUPC had distributed 350+ notic�s of this Agenda item throughout the
community. The September 16, 2003 Community Meeting was attended by
42+ residents and agency representatives. Since the request had been made to
"table" the rezoning request, this item was deferred for discussion.
However, several neighborhood residents have contacted the SUPC office and
expressed concerns about the proposed "density" of the project (i.e. 68 condo
units), along with other issues such as height of the proposed building, tr�c
congestion, inadequate parking accommodations, safety issues - especially as
related to the high number of young children in the area, etc.
The SUPC Neighborhood Development Committee and Board of Directors
aze committed to fully reviewing the proposed development of this site in the
Summit-University community, and will continue to conduct meetings to
garner input and comment from neighborhood residents. Because ai.'the confusion created by separate, but
pazailel processes by PED and LIEP, SUPC —District 8 has not had sufficient information on the proposed
development plan tc
continue and SUPC
recommendations.
present a formal recommendation at this time. Further monitoring and review will
will inform the Saint Paul Heritage Preservat_on Commission of any and all future
Thank you for your anticipated attention to these matters. If we can be of any further assistance, please do
not hesitate to contact our office.
' cerely
ames .. Mc . gh r., Ph.D. �-�j — 3�
Executi e Director
Attachment — Community Meeting — September 16, 2003
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From: vharms@mail.eetc.com
To: <amy.spong@ci.stpaul.mn.us>
Date: 9/25/03 1125AM
Subject: Re: 355 Marshaii Ave. (hearing)
Thurs., Sept. 25, 2003
Dear Amy and or to whomever at HPC:
1 sincerely hope that you wi{I receive this before tonighYs meeting.
We did receive the notification earlier but failed to respond, sorry.
We just received a flyer deiivered by the Ramsey Hill Association
reminding us of the meeting.
ChrisYs Fiousehold of Faith had wanted to purchase the vacant lote
across Marshall Avenue from our Academy front yard several months ago
but the asking price was, in ourjudgment, unreasonable. We are :;orry
now that we did not try harder to find a way to make that purchase. I
think that you are aware that we have an abiding need to improve F�ousing
for our own purposes but that in doing so our housing acquisitions iave
had a positive influence on the stabilizing and upgrading of housinr in
the community generally. Had we been able to acquire those vaca it lots
we would have wanted to create several nice duplexes or perhaps � four
unit at the most. Well, that is history!
The current proposal to raze an existing home and garage in order to
stretch out a six story building with 68 condos in it seems ludicrous to
us! We are in agreement with the sentiment being expressed by the
Ramsey Hill Association and would lend our support to their argument.
Compietion of the project as proposed simpiy brings way too much density
of people and automobiles, etc. to an otherwise quiet residential
neighborhood and would not be welcomed by us. The immediafe
neighborhood has more than su�cient multiple housing opportunities on
Virginia St., Western Avenue and Dayton and Selby corners! Our hope is
that sanction for this project wiil not be granted !!
Sincerely,
Ver�on R. Harms, Secretary
Bd. of Directors,
ChrisYs Household of Faith, Inc.
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Barb and Chuck Gudknecht
487 Marshafl Ave.
St. Paul, MN 55102
651-298-1012
September 25, 2003
To: Amy Spong/HPC
Re: HPCO3-398
We are writing to express our concerns regarding the proposed 6 story — 68 unit
condo building proposed for the vacant lot on the SE corner of Western and
Marshal{ and the demolition permit for the property at 358 Marshall.
We have lived in the neighborhood for nearly 25 ye�rs. During that time we have
invested a lot into our home and our neighborhood. We are very opposed to a 6
story complex of any type in our neighborhood — it is completely out of character in
staying with a historic area. We are opposed to tearing down a historic home for
this or any other purpose.
Sincerely
. ��.t
Barb & Chuck Gudknecht
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September 17, 2003
Amy Spong
Go the Historic Preservation Commission
City of St. Paul
15 West Kellogg
St. Paul, MN 55101
RE: File # HPCO3-398
Dear Amy,
I would like to convey my concems about a recent pernu� application for property at 358
Marshall Avenue, Hill Historic District, by Real Estate L'evelopment Group, File #
HPCO3-398. I am not in favor of this proposal as I do not think the proposed structure
will be a proper fit in this location. The corner/street that it is located is primary single
family and duplex homes. All structures in the area are no taller than ttuee stories with
the exception of Blair Complex which use to be a hotel. I would like to express my
concern and not recommend this proposal as a resident on Marshall Avenue.
Sincerely,
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464 M shall,Av nu
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(651)229-0757
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From: "Susan Clarke" <SusanClarkeDC@comcast.net>
To: <amy.spong@ci.stpaul.mn.us>
Date: 9/25/03 2:32PM
Subject: 358 marshall
Amy. Since none of the building around are so high, I would suggest that (in keeping with the historic area
architecture) that the builders only go as far as maybe one storey I igher - at the most - than the
surrounding buildings.
Yours. Susan Clarke DC.
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From: "Bradford, Kate" <Kate.Bradford@northstarfinancial.com>
To: "'amy.spong@ci.stpaul.mn.us'" <amy.spong@ci.stpaul.mn.us>
Date: 9/25/03 8:44AM
Su6ject: 358 Marshall
Dear Ms. Spong:
I cannot teil you how distressed I am to Iearn of the proposed deve opment
of the properly at 358 Marshali. The size and scale of what is beir�
proposed is far beyond what is in keeping with our neighborhood. : fear
that should this project go through, more projects will be brought forth and
the integrity of our historic district wifl slowly be eroded by mass
housing. There must be something that can be done to prevent th?�
development. Kindly advise.
Sincerely,
Kate Bradford
221 Mackubin Street
Saint Paul, Minnesota 55102
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From: "Brita Kukich" <bkukich@visi.com>
To: <amy.spong@ci.stpa�l.mn.�s>
Date: 9/25/03 6:33AM
Subject: proposed condos on Marshalf and Western
Brita Kukich
530 Marshall Ave
St. Paul, MN. 55102
651-222-3274
Amy,
Many things came to mind when I heard of the application to raze t�e historic structure on Marshall to
build a six story condo. In trying to stay on the topic of historicai gu�deiines, even if I thought tearing down
the house was a good idea {which I don't) I could not imagine a six story structure of any kind on that
corner. Even though there are sizeable historic structures in the arsa such as St. Mary's (help me out
here CHOFF?) across the street the lot or green space and its hist.:rical impact create a serene presence
that would never be complimented 6y a six story condominium buif�ling.
Going back to the endangered duplex on Marshall, even though thc, present condition of the house only
marginally supports the historic neighborhood, with some work it cculd be a great home for a family. In
1992 we bought a tiny Italianate on the 500 block, just up from the duplex in question. When we
purchased the home it was a duplex with three layers of siding and aIl the wrong updates inside. At that
point anyone would have said it marglnally supports the neighbonc� od. Today, it is one of many very
desirabie single family homes. To say it has great historical significant would be a stretch but what this
humble dwelling offers to the neighborhood for years to come is a vision which a 6 story condo could
never match.
There are more people in this neighborhood with similar stories than not. If the potential of every home in
this neighborhood
would have been viewed as insignificant then there would be no historic neighborhood teft. There are no
more oId homes left in this area. We have such a desire to get ahead financially. We feel it is progress.
But what is beyond?
So lets take a Iook at Marshall even further down the street. Near the corner of Lexington and Marshall
the city has been relocating homes on the north side of the street for the past 5? to 10? years. They did
not tear them down. Just yesterday there was a large brick structure blocking the intersection of Victoria
and Marshall. Although 1 can say I disagree with moving the home� at least even the city thought the
structures were valuable enough to relocate.
How can a historic building in a historic neighborhood, at its originat location be fess valuable no matter
what its condition is? We have a designated historic district. 1 want to compare the duplex to an
endangered species like the Bald Eagle. What is one less Bald Ea�le? What is one less home. When
do we stop?
As a resident on Marshall Ave. in the Historic District, 1 do not supp+art the demolition of the historic
structure on the 300 block of Marshall. I do not agree that any condo structure would be appropriate on
that corner. The twin home that is across the street, the home slated for demolition and all the smaller
structures in the immediate area as well as St. Mary's (?) would suf`er from such a radical structure as the
one propased.
Where does the eye pause when one looks up Western betv✓een Marshall and Selby? Where does the
soui of a resident go to rest? imagine that this area was your garde�. You would design positive spaces
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and negative spaces, hard scape and green space. You wouldn't put in a bunch of flowers and shrubs
that were all the same size and texture. In a neighborfiood especially a city neighborhood one needs to
think about that as well. Why not restore the existing dwelling back to a single family home? Why not
build 2 or 3 twin homes on the vacant lots?
This is a neighborhood where families live. Children play in their b�ck yards. This historic district should
not continue to be a piace where small entities continue to capitaliza from the presfige of the Historic
Neighborhood. We have pubiic housing for the needy. We have rursing homes for the sick. What we
don't have is enough homes with grass and trees for the other horr � owners in this area to wafk down the
biock and stop and pause to say hello, sit on the front porches whi : the chiidren play in the yards. What
kind of historic impact would this make? Who would have ever dreamed that once again the people of St.
Paul would see the value of preserving a truly historic neighborhooJ?
Thank you
Brita Kukich
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From: Teresa Tierney <teresa@tierneymusic.com>
To: aamy.spongQci.stpaul.mn.us>
Date: 9/24/03 8:10PM
Subject: RE: File #HPCO3-398
Amy,
Thank you for your message today. I am unable to attend the mee :ing
Thursday due to my work schedule so I will take this opportunity to state my
opposition to the proposal for a 68 unit condo development at 358 '4arshali
Avenue of the Hili Historic district. This is a residential area that
already has much housing consisting of multiple units. Marshall Avenue
already has high traffic volume and speeds and the addition of this �roperty
would only increase tra�c and congestion. In addition, proposing : six
story building does not appear to take into account that this is a
historical district. The ultimate use of the vacant lot should mainta: i,
preserve, and continue the fiistoric and neighborhood quality of thi� area.
I am not opposed to to the property being used for residential purp ses, but
I do not support the development for property that would raise the
popu{ation density, increase traffic, and not fit with the historic
atmosphere of the neighborhood.
Sincerely,
Teresa 7ierney
473 Marshafl Avenue
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From: "Erika PerraulY' <erika@perrault.net>
To: <amy.spong@ci.stpaul.mn.us>
Date: 9/25/03 12:39PM
Subject: 358 Marshall
Hi Amy. Thanks again for taking comments and passing them along at the
meeting tonight.
My concerns about the proposed development at 358 Marshall are related
both to the size of the building, 6 stories, as well as the number of
the units, 68.
The neighborhood around 358 Marshall does not include buildings �f the
size and scope proposed. The Iargest close structures are the Chr�st
Household of Faith building, which is Iocated on a much larger piec : of
property and is historic, so is in keeping with other targer oid
structures such as the Biair Arcade building. However no other bu "ding
is even ciose in height to 6 stories, and I'm concerned that the 6
stories would dwart surrounding properties and causing too much of a
dense mass of housing in one small area.
In addition, I live at 463 Marshall, and our neighborhood is strugglii.�
to carve out its niche as a safe, preserved, historic part of Ramsey
hili. Simply having 68 condo units in one building on one corner
substantially increases the housing density in our immediate
neighborhood which is already working hard to retain good, long-te m,
solid neighbors who are committed to making a livable, historic
neighborhood that Saint Paul is proud of.
I(and I befieve my neighbors as wefl) wefcome safe, beautiful new
housing, but ask that it support the neighborhood and its historic
character better by being smaller and putting fewer people in such close
proximity to each other.
Thanks. Have a good meeting.
Erika Perrauit
erika@perrault.net
(w)651-338-7562
(h) 651-665-9797
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From: "Rubinstein, Sally" <sally.rubinstein@mnhs.org>
To: "'amy.spong@ci.stpaul.mn.us"' <amy.spong@ci.>tpaul.mn.us>
Date: 9125/03 124PM
Subject: 358 Marshall
Dear Amy:
I am writing to oppose the planned development of the southeast c�rner of
Western and Marshall and 358 Marshail in the Historic Hili District ,File
#HPCO3-398). The proposed structure is too big {or the site and wi �
overpower the neighboring buildings. 1 am especialiy concerned at �ut the
impact such a building would have on the St. Joseph's Academy a mplex across
the street. Additionally housing this dense would create terrible traf'ic
problems. Even with 79 spaces for 68 units, there would be a lot or. cars
parked o� the street.
I also disagree with the plans for the existing house. It might not b� of
great architectural value, but it does contribute to and support the
architectural fabric of the district. At the very Ieast, it should be mo�. -�d
rather than razed.
Thank you,
Sarah (Sally) Rubinstein
442 Dayton Ave.
651-224-6429
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To: <amy.spongQci.stpaul.mn.us>
Da4e: 9/25/03 132PM
Subject: 358 Marshail Avenue, Hill Historic District, File �HPCO3-398
HPC,
i am a iife long resident of Ramsey Hill. i am adamantiy opposed to the
proposal at 358 Marshall. This is a historic district and old building: cannot be
replaced. Once you take it down it can �ever be put back. Apparently the
duplex is not warranted as "historically significanf'. I beg to differ, .. is a
pleasant house and IS significant because of when it was construc ed! One
house may not seem like a big deal, but iYs one house here, one h�use there,
this, that .... so on and so forth. Eventually over time, there will not be a
historic district to protect or just a patch work of once was. Furthernore, the
size of the proposed "building" is simplyjust way too large! This is iot
W oodbury for crying out loud!
Lara Duddingston ,
443 Holly Avenue
Saint Paul, MN 55102
(651)222-6901
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From: "Upchurch, Tfieresa" <Theresa.Upchurch@nortY.starfinanciai.com>
Ta: '"amy.spong@cistpaui.mn.us"' <amy.spong@ci.stpaul.mn.us>
Date: 9/25/03 10:57AM
Subject: 358 Marshall
Good Morning!
I am a resident of Cathedral Hill and a member of fhe RamseyHill
Association.
f have fived in this neighborhood off and on for 23 years moving b�,k in
2001 because I knew were my heart belonged. Our neighborhood �s filled with
such fabulous stuctures and hisfory. Allowing this monster at 358 P!arshall
to rear its ugiy head would be a travesty. I moved home for a reasc � and
bought property here (447 Marshall Avenue). 1 want to keep my ne:�hborhood
the way i remember it as a child...the last 40 years.. and for the ne; t 100
years 10 come.
Please do not allow this to happen to our beautiful neighborhood.
Theresa Upchurch
Sr. Field Adminisirator
North Star Consultants, Inc.
2701 University Avenue SE, Suite #300
Minneapolis, MN 55414
direcf: 612-617-6128 fax: 612-617-6001
th eresa. upch u rch @north starfinan cia l. com
<mailto:theresa. upchurch @n orthsta�n an ci al. com>
CC: "'The Phoenix Newspaper"' <phoenixl@winternet.com>
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From: The Phoenix Newspaper <phoenix1 @wintemet.com>
To: <amy.spong@ci.stpaul.mn.us>
Date: 9/25/03 10:56AM
Subject: File #HPCO3-398 Proposed construction at 358 tvlarshall Ave
Good momi�g, Amy Spong <
Re 358 Marshall, I am most concerned about the size and scoper the
proposed building. There is really nofhing in the entire district that s
six stories,..and certainly not six and one-half stories.
Let me correct myseff. The cathedral is taller.
"...new construction be harmonious with the scale and massing of existing,
historic buildings in the district."
Fran Jackson
447 Marshall Ave #6
Saint Paul 55102
651-291-2691
CC: T Upchurch <trublu1963@msn.com>
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From: "Mike Schumann" <mike@traditions.com>
To: <amy.spong@ci.stpaul.mn.us>
Date: 9/25/03 9:57AM
Subject: 358 Marshall
As a resident of the Ramsey Hiil neighborhood, I would Iike to expross my extreme concern about the
mass of this proposed development.
The overall aesthetic appeal of this neighborhood is what makes p.�ople want to live here, and which
creates the relatively high property values that the City of St. PaW c asperately needs to Tinance its many
programs.
The historic preservation guidelines are not only designed to protect historic structures, but also to protect
the aesthetic integrity of the neighborhood.
I would like to strongly encourage the HPC to reject any proposed �evelopment that creates structures
that exceed the size and mass of other existing buildings in the imriediate viciniry of this project.
Please feel free to call me at 651-208-3791 if you would like further input.
Thanks,
Mike Schumann
mike@traditions.com
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400 SELBY AYENUE, SUITE V, SAINT PAIIL, MN 55102-d500
TELEPHONE: 651.221.0200
October 20, 2003
To: Members of the St.
Chris Coleman
Jerry Blakey
Pat Harris
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Jay Benanav
Paul City Council
Fr: Ramsey Hill Association Boazd of Directors
Rod Richter, Historic Preservation Chair
At its regular monthly meeting on October 9, 2003, the members of the Ramsey
Hill Association Board of Directors voted to support the St. Paul Heritage
Preservation Commission's decision to deny the demolition permit request for
358 Marshall Avenue. The Coinmission's vote has been appealed and is on
your meeting agenda (Item 54) for October 22. The Ramsey Hill Association
encourages you to uphold the HPC's decision.
Many years ago, when I was studying historic preservation, one of my
instructors constantly drummed into our heads that nothing historic should
ever be tom down unless what is proposed to replace it is much better for the
community. Whether or not the new proposal is a welcome addition to the
neighborhood is a question that cannot yet be answered. No defuutive proposal
for a replacement structure has been produced. The members of the Ramsey
Hill Association Board of Directors are of the opuuon that the replacement
structure, as it has been so far described (six stories, 68 units, a multitude of
zoning variances required), would r,ot be benefrcial to the Ramsey Hill
neighborhood.
We encourage you to uphold the HPC's denial of the demolition permit for 358
Marshall Avenue.
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REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMEIITT GROUP
Q��ber Zo, aoos
Ms, Amy Spong
Saint P�I Heritage PreseEyation Commission
C/o dfftce of [ Inspect7afl and �nvironmental Protection
350 Saint Peter Street, Suite 300
Saint Paul, M7Y 55102-15(0
Re: Fina(ized Cos[ Anatysis of Budget vs. Actual $ids for 358 Marshal[ Avenue
Dear Ms. Spong:
Per the recommendation of the Commission on September 25'�, Zpp3, � ��ave received actua� b]ds from
4�a��fed contractprs to pin down the ac..tual cost of the contemplated repairs and renovations that this
property wiil require, were it io continue [o be rented as a duplex, and returned to i£s originai 1880's period
condition. This letter will compare the original budget thnt f]�ad used to determine the e�t of the cost
verses the Actusll Bids that we receiv�i from licensed e�nttac[ors to restore the premise io iL original ( 8$0'S
style construction.
As you cao see, the acEUal bids are �7(12.016 CREATER TH,4N our original budgeted estimates, �rohich
�'E� �ery conservati�e. Attaehed for your review are also the bids that have been received.
1. Heating system replaced:
2. Replaee Plumbing System:
3 2eplaoemenE of Itoof
4. Electrical 12epair/Cteplacement
5. Repair of Foundation:
b• Kepair of Stucco:
7. Exterior SoffiN7'rim Replace:
i3udget: $S,OOd.00
Bad�et: $IO,00Q.00
Budget: $ ) 0,000.00
Budget: $t0,000.00
BudgeY: $5,000.00
Bndget: �30,000.00
Budget; $5,000.00
Actual Bid:
Actuat $id:
Actual Bid:
Actual Bid:
Actual Bid:
Actuai Bid:
Actual Bid:
$7,500
$ r 7,500
$16,483
$l0,IS0
$135,383
(see 5 byove)
(see 5 dbove)
'CUTAT,:
Budget: $85,000.00
Inere�ses Over Bud et: �10201G
Actaal $ids: $I87,016
[t is my hope that this analysis will further illustrate the extent of work ehaz this property requires at this tirne
to retum it to iLg origin$1 1 Bgp•s period condition. in terms of economic value, whiah we caiculated at
$ based on eurrent re;nt� and aperating costs, we would create a negative economic value o£
$]02,00-$I I 1,0 ' we performed [his work. !n addition, the above $187.00O represents 75%ofour
origina ase price, It is abundantEy clear £rom this anafysis, that the only feasib[e �nomic use
for buildi to demoli[ion it or move ic to another site to make room for development af the
und lyin� �
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Mr. Spiros Ztnebalas
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800 Fra�ilcli�t Avenue West
Mittneapolis> MIV 554a5
Re- 3S8 MaasGail Sti'eet
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As per yauc xequost, Kiaus-Andeison has looked at exterior �enovations ta 358 Marshatl Sueet,
$c, Fanl, htinnesota. Tdit �st Eor Fhis w�& as per the attached eetiniate dated i0J21103 is ONE
HUNDEtED 1�IIRTX F[V� THOUSANIS 'fHREE HUNbRED EIG�ITY THiiEE AND NO/100
DOLLARS {�135,3H3.�}.
We inClnda the followiqg:
Demolirion aad retwildin� uf the fron[ pwcR
Demoliti0n and rebuildiAg of tHe eide porch
Demolidon of smcco cxtericY
ReWqrking of �after cxtcASions
Re-shoring of roof rafues
Instalfativa al` 4" hm'dbo�d lap siding
Euterior painting
VTe do not iaCl¢de:
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Asbestvs reaaoval
g���► �f any hazaidous m��at
Any � oft' or 4asrauaaon oP zoofits� rnareciats
AnY modfficauon m existing fouqdari�
We will n�d perxuis�ian to set scaffold on the esseerr po�tian of the neighbortns FtoPattY•
� y oa bayC �u quo6ti�ts, please cooract me at youx coaveaiCfl�e.
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2925 Garfie►d Ave South
MinneapoPs, MN 55408
{�'�2) 827 2825
Octoper 8, 2003 F� �672} 827-�4465
Rergola WlanagemerrE
208 westem qrre North Unit �
SY. Pauf MN 55102
Dear Customer,
We are pleasecf to submii fhe foil�+ving proposal for the plumbirtg work a# the duplex ap
MarshaH in St. Paul. We witk fumish arld 'mstaif new water Unes from the wafer �ter ta
a�� fix(utes, new drain Anes from fixtures and verrt lines atl per code. We rvip ir�s3an a neu�r
water heafer a�d new chimney liner as per code. We will pra�ide iwo bath tubs, two
water closets,'twa iavatory sinks, tvvo kitchen sinks, lauRdry tuh, hvo outside hose
sp�ots a!1 mateaiats � insta8 �ese �ixtures. Others will dc arfy patching of waI[s ancf
floors. This is an estimated cast fvr the above work $17,500.00
We wili fumish and instalf a S(ant Fnn Sailer, SX-180 Ehe removal is Tsterl s�parately
beloW. We vWfl set new boiler on cemeat pad, in9tafl !o existirtg piping and redi�tiart,
using proper igotation and halancing valves. We will instal! a new expansion tank in
basement. Cnnnecting gas, ver�ting, electricai, wi� al1 permits arrd }ests. The crosf of this
shall be $5,6QO,fl0
Removai of asbestos and old boiler try Envirobate iNC $2,OOD.00
We reserve the right to not accept this bid after 30 days
We apPreciate the oppornmifyy to wark with you an this projec� and are confident in our
abilities fo handle this job � a prafessionai manner.
Sincerery,
Matthew D. Romain
Projecf Engineer
9um-O-Matic Mooney and Ridler Mechanicai Contractors
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Elalrical work for 358 Msishatl .ave. St Paul, M1S_
1 J we wiii clean up elechicat wieing in basernent
2.) We wilt add sufficient lighfing on ontside of buitdix� at all enay ways.
3.) We wi(l check aD w7ring in both units to �nake sute therc is no haz2rds and there rs proper pol�'ity on
all circuits.
4.)'9Ve will malce sisre there is sufficicnt outlets snd lightit�g in each raom_ W¢ will add a�tlets wheie
neceSSaiy t0 m2et efCCtricalcode.
5.) We wil[ add GFi outlets whe�e requ9red in kitchens and bathrooms.
6 J We wiFl make sure outleGS i1i bedrooms have ffiOfaulf proteck�or�
CosE fat work listed above: $t0,150.OP
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WESTERN & MARSHALL
ST. PAUL, MINNESOTA