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RESOLUTION
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WHEREAS, the District 2 Community Council, the Macalester Groveland Community Council and Scenic
Saint Paul, in Zoning File 02-247-939, appealed the decision of the zoning administrator to issue billboazd
permits for advertising signs located at 1670-1680 White Bear Avenue, (on the southeast corner at Larpenteur
Avenue) and legally described as set forth in the said zoning file; and
WHEREAS, the Planning Commission's Zoning Committee conducted a public hearing on the appeal after
having provided notice to effected properiy owners and where all interested persons were given an
opportunity to be heard and submitted its recommendation to the Planning Commission, and
10 WHEREAS, the Planning Commission, by its Resolution No. 03-08, dated January 24, 2003, decided to deny
11 the appeal based upon the following findings and conclusions:
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On October 28, 2002, Clear Channel Outdoor applied for sign permits for both 1670-
1680 White Bear Avenue (all four sign faces) and 1278 Grand Avenue (a single sign
face) to replace the sign faces, trim, and stringers on the rooftop billboards.
2. On November 21, 2002, Jeff Fischbach of the LIEP staff issued a permit for each of the
two applications. The White Beaz Avenue permit was subject to the following
conditions, which are written on the permit: "Height ofsign faces must not be
increased The sign structures have only wooden stringers. All repair materials must be
of the same type as the original materials, no addition or substitution of materials
allowed. The only structural work authorized is the replacement of the wooden stringers.
No other structural work permitted. No electrical work proposed or authorized. Any
electrical work would require the billboard owner to obtain a separate electrical
permit. "
The Grand Ave. permit was subject to the following conditions, which are written on the
permit: "Height of sign face must not be increased. Only structural work authorized is
the replacement of inetal stringers. No other structural work proposed. "
Clear Channel crews worked at both sites and replaced the sign faces, trim and stringers.
On December 20, 2002, the District 2 Community Council, the Macalester Groveland
Community Council, and Scenic Saint Paul appealed the issuance of the sign permits by
LIEP on the grounds that: (a) The permits were contrary to provisions of the zoning code,
including but not limited to section 66302 and the prohibitions against replacement of
structural elements in the Crreater East Side Special Sign District [section
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66.21693(e)(1)(e)]; (b) repairs were made prior to the issuance of the pernuts; c) repairs
were made beyond what was authorized by the permits; and (d) the billboards are illegal
land uses.
The Planuiug Commission's responses to these claims aze given in findings 4 through 8
below.
4. The appellants claim that the pemuts are contrary to section 66302 of the zoning code,
which states that advertising signs to be replaced, relocated or renovated must be on
zoning lots where advertising signs are a permitted use. CiTy staff have followed a policy
that replacement of old, but undamaged sign faces is a maintenance activity as permitted
by state statute, not a replacement or renovation of the advertising sign.
Section 66302 of the code refers primarily to the previous "Move to Conforxnance"
program with sign credits for the relocation of billboards, a program which was
eliminated in 2000 when the most recent billboud amendments were adopted. Although
the "Move to Conformance" program is dead, there is a plausible argument that the
replacement of a sign face is the same thing as replacement or renovarion of an
advertising sign. The city staff argued that sign face replacement is different from
advertising sign replacement because:
(a) billboard companies haue for decades done sign face replacements every ten years or
so as a routine maintenance activity; and (b) the cost of the sign face panels and the
surrounding fiberglass trim kits are cheap (approxunately $800) in comparison with the
sign structure (bed pan secured to building rooftop, angle A-frames with bracing,
electrical service, catwalk, stringers). The city staff do treat sign face replacement as
renovation, which is prohibited under this secfion, when a sign face has been damaged
beyond fifty percent of its replacement cost. This treatment is in accordance with the
Ramsey County district court decision about storm-damaged signs on Grand Avenue.
The city stafP s position is that sign face replacement is permitted as a routine
maintenance activity, but it is not permitted in the case of a badly damaged sign face.
While this may appeaz inconsistent, it has a logic based on the agent causing the damage.
The state statute on nonconforming uses refers to destruction "by fire or other peril." In
the case of fire or wind damage, the nonconforming use cannot be replaced. But the City
does not want itself to be the cause of deterioration through preventing routine
maintenance since the state statute explicitly permits the maintenance of nonconforming
uses.
5. The appellants claim that the billboard repair permits violate the Crreater East Side and
Macalester Groveland Special Sign District regulations, most obviously with regard to the
replacement of the old stringers— 2 X 6 wood stringers on White Bear Ave. and angle-iron
stringers on Grand Ave. because stringers are structural elements of billboards. In their
testimony Clear Channel asserted the rights they hold to repair and maintain their signs under
MN statutes 462.357 on nonconformities. In issuing the permits, LIEP, after due consideration,
determined that the work requested in the company's applications was within the parameters set
by state law and local ordinances.
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6. The appellants claim that some repairs were made to the billboards before the repair
permits were issued. In the Crrand Ave. case, the appellants say that the old face panel
was curled upwazd from the bottom and was tacked back down to a wood siringer that
was added to the structure last sui7uner. Although such temporary repairs were made by
Clear Channel, the unauthorized repair was entirely removed as part of the sign face
replacement done under the LIEP pernut that is the subject of this appeal.
There is no claun that work was done at the White Bear Ave. signs before the building
pernut was issued.
The appellants claim that Clear Channel made repairs tUat went faz beyond what the pernvts
allowed. Far all five sign faces in this case, a new face panel system was used that is different
from the old system in the following ways:
a. The interlocking sign face panels are horizontal instead of vertical as they have
been in the past;
b. The new face panels are clipped to each other and aze secured by top-to-bottom
vertical sprits made of galvanized steel. Before, there were no vertical sprits.
The previous sign face panels were attached directly to the horizontal wood ar
angle iron stringers by metal clips.
c. The vertical metal sprits are secured by bolts to horizontal angle irons that look
like stringers, but that are, according to Clear Channel, components of the new
face replacements kits.
d. The new horizontal angle iron elements replaced the old angle iron stringers on
the Grand Ave. billboard. On the White Bear Ave. signs the new horizontal
angle irons appear functionally to replace the wood stringers, although wood
replacement stringers were also installed.
LIEP staff testified that they have not yet determined whether the new face panel system
is consistent with the nxles for repair and maintenance of nonconforming signs.
The appeal claims that the billboards are illegal. The White Bear Ave. billboazds were
erected legally under two building pernuts, the most recent of which was issued on
2/24/75. City staff presumes that the Grand Ave. billboard is also legal, although staff
haue not found a building permit. Clear Channel testified that they have building
permits far the Grand Ave. billboard. The appellants in this case submitted no evidence
that the signs at either location are illegal.
Since the adoption of the new billboard regulations in 2000, a11 billboards in the city have
become nonconforming uses. But almost all of the billboards in the city are legal
nonconforming uses that were either built with building permits or were grandfathered by
virtue of hauing been built before 1956. Old building permits at LIEP are stored in
chronological order, not by address, or by applicant, or by type of construction. Therefore, the
City staff have difficulty retrieving old building permits.
132 WHEREAS, pursuant to the provisions of Leg. Code § 64.300(k), the District 2 Community Council duly
133 filed an appeal from the determination made by the Planning Commission regarding the billboard at 1670-
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134 1680 White Bear Ave. (Zoning File #03-255-970) and requested a hearing before the City Council for the
135 purpose of considering the actions taken by the Commission; and
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137 WHEREAS, acting pursuant to Leg. Code §§ 64.206-.208, a public hearing was scheduled for March 5, 2003;
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140 WIIEREAS, the Mazch 5, 2003, public hearing was laid over to March 26, 2003; and
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142 WHEREAS, on March 26, 2003, the duly scheduled public hearing was again laid over to Apri123, 2003; and
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144 WHEREAS, on Apri123, 2003, a public hearing in the above-entitled matter was duly conducted where all
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WHEREAS, having heard the statements made, and having considered the application, the report of staff, the
record, minutes and resolution of the Zoning Committee and of the Planning Commission, the Council of the
City of Saint Paul does hereby
RESOLVE, to reverse the decision of the Planning Commission in this matter based upon the following:
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153 The Planning Commission misinterpreted the restrictions in the District 2 sign plan regazding repairs to
154 advertising signs and the extent of the repairs were not permitted under the District 2 sign plan; and be it
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156 FURTHER RESOLVED that the appeal of the District 2 Community Council be and is hereby granted; and
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159 FINALLY RESOLVED that the City Clerk shall mail a copy of this resolution to the District 2 Community
Council, Clear Channel Outdoor Inc., the zoning administrator and the Planning Commission.
Adoption Certified
By:
Approved by May
BY:
Council Secretary
Requested by Department of:
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Action Requested:
Adoption of resolution memorializing the CouncIl's decision on a billboazd appeal at 1670-1680 White Beaz Ave. (SE comer at
Lazpenter). After two or three layovers at CouncIl due to a procedural lawsuit by Cleaz Channel Outdoor, the Council concluded its
public hearing on 4/23/03 and voted to grant the appeal of the Dishict 2 Community Council, thus reversing the Planning
CoCnmission'S deCision that approved Clear Channel's repair permit application to replace the sign fac�and stringers
Recommendations: Approve (A) or Reject (R): Personal Service Contrects Must Answer the Following Questions:
�_ Planning Commission �� 1. Has this personlfirm ever worked under a contrect for this department?
CIB Committee � Yes No
Civil Service Commission 2. Has this person/firm ever been a city employee?
Yes No
3. Does this person/firm possess a skill not normally possessed by any
current city employee?
Yes No
Explain all yes answers on separete sheet and attach to green sheet
Initiating Problem, Issues, Opportunity (Who, What, When, Where, Why):
Cieaz Channel applied to replace the sign faces and stringers on four rooftop billboards at 1670-1680 White Beaz Ave. LIEP issued the
repair permit, consistent with their understanding of state law. The District 2 Community Council and other appealed. The Planning
Commission upheld LIEP's issuance ofthe permit. District 2 then appealed to the City Council. The Council voted 5-2 (Blakey, Reiter)
to c-- n t the neighborhood's appeal and rescind the billboazd repair permit. Now the resoluUon'-is reaay for tne Council to
memorialize.its decision.
Advanta9eslfApproved:
The decision the Council made is reduced to writing.
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DisadvantapeslfApproved:
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DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING
& ECONOMIC DEVELOPMEI��T'
Martha G. Fuller, Director
CTTY OF SAIN'T PAUL
RandyC.iCelZy, Mayor
25 Wesl Fourth Street
Sa(ni Pau1, MU 55102
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February 19 2003
Ms. Nancy Anderson
City Council Research Office
Room 310 City Hall
Samt Paul, Mmnesota 55102
Dear Ms. Ande*son:
I would like to confirm that a public hearing before the City Council is scheduled for Wednesday,
March 5, 2003, for an appeal of a Planning Commission decision to uphold a billboard repair •
permit at the Hillcrest Shopping Center at 1680 White Bear Avenue
Applacant District 2 Communiry Council
File Number. #t 03-255-970
Pumose. Appeal of Planning Commission decision to uphold a billboard repair permit'
issued by LIEP and deny the request of two district councils to revoke the
repair permit for replacement of sign face panels and stringers on four rooftop
billboards.
Address: 1680 Wlute Bear Avenue (SE comer of Larpenteur)
LeQal Descrintion of Propert� Hillcrest Center sub� to Ave; W'/z of Vac Gary Place accruing & N
85 ft of lot 1 block 4(LIEP billboard ief # 267; PIN - 23-29-22-22-0121)
Previous Action:
Zonin� Committee Recommendation: Deny appeal by the District 2 Community Council and
the 1Vlacalester-Groveland Community Council (co-appellants) and uphold billboard repair
permit that LIEP had issued; vote: 3-2; January 16, 2003. (As part ofthe same zoning case,
the committee also recommended denying the co-appellants' appeal regarding repair of
another billboard, located at 1278 Grand Ave. in the Macalester-Groveland neighborhood )
PlanninQ Commission Decision: Deny appeal by the District 2 Community Council and the
Macalester-Groveland Community Council (co-appellants) and uphold billboar.d repair permit
that LIEP had issued; vote: 7-5; January 24, 2003. (The commission also, as part of the same
zoning case, denied the co-appellants' appeal regarding repair of another billboard, located at
1278 Grand Ave. in the Macalester-Crroveland neighborhood. The commission's Grand
Avenue decision is being appealed separately to the City Council )
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Ms Nancy Anderson
Zoning File: #03
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My understanding is that this public hearing request will appear on the agenda for the
March 5, 2003 City Council meeting. Please call me at 266-6575 if you have any questions.
Sincerely,
Lazry S rholm
Planning Administrator
cc: File #03-255-970
Carol Martineau
Paul Dubruiel
Wendy Lane
JeffFischbach
Allan Torstenson
Peter Warner
, NO'F'ICE OF PUSLIC HEARINC� .
The Saint Paut City Council will con-
--duct a public hearing on Wedneaday,
March 5, 2003, 5:30 �p.m. in the City
Council Chambers, Third Floor, City
Hall-Courthouse, P5 "West Kellogg
Boulevazd, Saint Paul, MN, to consider �
the appeal of District 2 Community
Council to a decision of the Saint Paul
Planning�Qommission upholding a biA-
board repair pesmit issued by the Office
of License, �Inspections and Environmen-
tal Protection and denying the request of
�two district councils to revoke Ehe repa'tr "
permit for replacement of sign -face
� panels and stringers on four rooftop bill-
boards at 1650 White Bear Avenue (SE
corner oP Larpenteur Avenue).
Dated: February 21, 2003 �
NANCY ANDERSOl�, _ -
Assistant City Council Secretary
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Maz[ha Fuller, Dfrector
CTI'Y OF SAINT PAUL
Randy C. Ke1[y, Mayor
February 26, 2003
Ms Nancy Anderson
Secretary to the City Council
Room 310 City Hall
Saint Paul, MN 55102
RE. Zoning File # 03-255-970:
25 WesiFour[h Sbeet
Samt Pass1, MN 55102
DISTRICT 2 CONLNiLJNITY COLJNCIL
TeZephone: 6� I -2666655
Facsrmile 651-228-33/4
City Council Hearing.
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March 5, 2003 at 530 p.m., City Council Chambers
PURPOSE: Appeal of the Planning Commission's decision to let stand a billboard repair permit
issued by LIEP for replacement of the sign face panels and stringers on four
billboards at 1670 White Bear'Avenue. The District 2 Community Council claims
that the Planning Commission erred in deciding that replacement of entire billboard
faces is a form of maintenance that is protected by state law even though it is
contrary to the Greater East Side sign regulations.
LOCATION: 1670 White Bear Avenue. Rooftop billboards on Hillcrest Shopping Center.
Southeast corner of White Bear and Larpenteur.
LIEP' S ACTION: Issued billboard repair pernut for replacement of four sign faces and the
wood stringers behind them on 11/21/02.
PLANNING CONIMISSION ACTION: On 1/24/03, denied appeal filed jointly by the District 2
Community Council, the Macalester-Groveland Community Council (which
objected to a similar billboard repair at 1278 Grand Ave ), and Scenic Saint Paul.
Vote 7-5.
ZONING COMNIITTEE RECOMIVIENDATION: On 1/16/03, recommended denial ofthe
appeal by the community organizations on a 3-2 vote.
PED STAFF RECOMIvIENDATION Denv appeal and uphold LIEP on issuance of sign face
replacement pernut; grant appeal and reverse LIEP on replacement of stringers;
r�ant appeal regarding structural upgrades to sign faces and require sign face
replacements to be done without upgrades in design or materials.
SUPPORT FOR APPEAL BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD ORGANIZATIONS. Four persons
spoke representing the appellants.
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• Ms. Nancy Anderson
City Council Secretary
February 26, 2003
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OPPOSTTION TO APPEAL BY TI� NEIGHBORHOOD ORGANIZATIONS: Two persons
spoke representing of Clear Channel Outdoor.
Dear Ms_ Anderson:
The District 2 Community Council has appealed a decision by the Planning Commission to uphold
a billboard repair pernut issued by LIEP for the replacement of four sign faces and the stringers
behind them at the Hillcrest Shopping Center LIEP's permit was appealed to the Planning
Commission by District 2, Macalester-Crroveland, and Scenic Saint Paul. Among billboard cases
you have heazd, this one is most similaz to the Merriam Park Community CounciPs appeal of a
permit for sign face replacement and stringers at 1926 University Avenue. In that case the
Council invalidated the repair permit and decided that sign face replacement constituted a
renovation of a nonconforming advertising sign, which is prohibited by citywide zoning
regulations.
• Macalester-Groveland was involved because the appeal to the Planning Commission also covered
a sign face replacement pezmit issued on the same day for 1278 Grand Avenue. At the Zoning
Committee, Cleaz Channel objected to having two separate permits at two different locations as
the subject for one appeal, although the basis for the appeal and the code language at issue were
identical. Therefore, District 2 and Macalester-Groveland have this time submitted separate
companion appeals to the City Council, which will both be heard on March 5, 2003.
After consultation with the City Attorney's Office, LIEP issued the repair permit on 11/21/03,
which was before the City Council decided in the Raymond Avenue billboard repair case that the
prohibition in special sign districts against replacement of structural elements should be
interpreted strictly, a decision that would relate to the replacement of stringers. Both LIEP's
permit and the Planning Commission's decision also preceded the Council's University Avenue
decision mentioned above, a decision that would relate to the replacement of sign faces.
The Zoning Committee held a public hearing on 1/16/03 and received testimony from four
representatives of the three co-appellant organizations and from two representatives of Clear
Channel. The committee voted 3-Z in favor ofupholding LIEP's issuance the permit. They did
not reach a conclusion about whether the new construction system for sign faces was a violation;
instead they simply advised LIEP to make that deternunation and, if there was a violation, to
enforce conditions listed on the pernut strictly. The Planning Commission's resolution ratified the
committee recommendation on a vote of 7-5.
• Ms. Nancy Anderson
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• City Council Secretary
February 26, 2003
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The District 2 Community Council claims in its appeal that the Planning Commission ened by
deciding that the replacement of entire sign faces is routine maintenance that is pemutted by the
state law's protection for legal nonconfomung uses. They argue that upgrading nonconfornung
signs is inconsistent with the White Beaz Avenue sign district ordinances.
Clear Channel Outdoor contends that, under state law for nonconfornung uses, the City must
pernut any repairs that cost less than fifty percent of the value of the signs. They submitted
evidence that sign face panels are inexpensive in relation to the replacement costs of the signs.
The District 2 appeal is scheduled to be heard by the City Council on March 5, 2003. The
companion appeal by the Macalester-Groveland Community Council is scheduled on the same
agenda. Please call me (266-6575) ifyou have questions
Sincerely,
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Larry Soderholm
Planning Administrator
Attachments
cc: City Council members
Dennis Flaherty, Deputy Mayor
Chris McCarver, Clear Channel Outdoor, Inc.
Marvin Liszt, Atty.for Clear Channel
Chuck Repke, District 2 Community Council
Laura Gutmann, Macalester-Groveland Community Council
Jeannie Weigum, Scenic Saint Paul
Brian Bates, Scenic Saint Paul and Scenic MN
Martha Fuller, PED
A1 Torstenson, PED
Peter Warner, Asst City Attorney
Wendy Lane, LIEP
JeffFischbach, LIEP
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L Appeal by District 2 Community Council �
II. Planning Commission resolution # 03-08 Z��j
III. Pla.suiiiig Commission minutes for 1/24/03 �p� �
IV Minutes of Zoning Committee public hearing on 1/16/03 '� ��°�
V. Written testimony submitted at Zoning Cte. public hearing '� ���
VI. PED stafFreport written 1/9/03 for Zoning Cte. with photos and mapsyg.i ���
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APPLICATION FOR QPPEAL
'�j� Depanment of P[anning and Ecenomic Development
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II00 Ciry Hall Annex
25 West Fourth Street
Saint Paul, MN SSIO2
166-6589
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TYPE OF APPEAL: Appiication is hereby made for an appeai to the:
u Board of Zoning Appeals 1�City Council
under the provisions of Chapter 64, Secfion c�, Paragraph e of the Zoning Code, to
appeal a decision made by the i'��"^f°^�� ��w�,ess�a�v
on .T/�N � `- f , 19 File number. �d 2 -Z�f �- ° l3�
(date of decision)
GROUNDS FOR APPEAL: Explain why you feei there has been an error in any requirement,
permit, decision or refusal made by an administrative official, or an error in fact, procedure or
finding made by the Board of Zonina Apoeals or the Planning Gemmissior..
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WHEREAS, three co-appellants--fhe District 2 Community Councii, the Macalester-Groveland
Community Council, and Scenic Saint Paul--under File #02-247-939 have appealed two sign
permifs issued by the Office of License, Inspections and Environmental Profection (LIEP) to
replace existing biliboard sign faces arid trim with new sign faces and trim and also to replace
the horizontaf stringers. that support the sign faces, under the provisions of §66.408(a); 66.101;
66.2169.3(e)(1); 66.2169.5(e)(1); 66.301; and 66.302 of the Sainf Paul Legislative Code, on two
differenf properties with the following addresses, legal descriptions, and billboard reference
numbers:
1670 Whife Bear Ave, SE corner at Larpenteur Ave. (PIN 23-29-22-22-0121) Hilicrest
Center subj. to Ave; W'/z of Vac Gary Place accruing & N 85 ft of lot 1 block 4(LIEP
biliboard �ef. # 267)
1278 Grand Ave., SE corner at Syndicate St.(PIN 03-28-23-42-0048) Stinson's Blvd, Block
4, Lot 12 (LIEP biliboard ref. # 343)
WHEREAS, the Planning and Economic Development (PED) staff accepted the appeal with two
. separate locations because the two permits were issued for the same billboard repair work, the
permits were issued the same day, the applicable code requirements were identical in the two
neighborhood special sign districts, and the grounds for appeal were the same at both
locations; the Planning Commission questioned the propriety of handling two locations as a
single case but proceeded with it because the pub(ic hearing had been advertised as a single
case and several previous zoning appeals have dealt with billboards at mulfiple locations;
WHEREAS, the Zoning Committee of the Planning Commission, on January 16, 2Q03, held a
public hearing at which all persons present were given an opportunity to be heard pursuant to
said application in accordance with the requirements of §64.300 of the Saint Paul Legisiative
Code; and
WHEREAS, the_Saint Paul Planning Commission, based on the evidence presented to its
Zoning Committee at the public hearing as substantially reflected in the minutes, made the
foilowing findings of fact:
moved by Field
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On October 28, 2002, Clear Channel Outdoor applied for sign permits for both 1670
White Bear Ave. (all four sign faces) and 1278 Grand Ave. (a singie sign face) to
replace the sign faces, trim, and stringers on the rooftop billboards.
2. On November 21, 2002, Jeff Fischbach of the LIEP staff issued a permit for each of the
fwo applicaTions. The White Bear Ave. permit was subject fo the following conditions,
which are written on the permit: `Height of sign faces must nof be increased. The sign
sfrucfures have only wooden stringers. All repair maferials must be of the same type as
fhe original materials, no addifion or substitution of maferials allowed. The only
sfrucfural work authorized rs the replacement of fhe wooden stringers. No other
strucfural work permitted. No elecfrical work proposed or authorized. Any electrical
work would require the billboard owner fo obfain a separate electrical permit."
The Grand Ave. permit was subject to the following conditions, which are written on the
permit: "Height of sign face musf not be increased. Only sfructura! work aufhorized is
fhe replacemenf of the meta! stringers. No other structural work proposed."
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Clear Channel crews worked at both sites and replaced the sign faces, trim, and
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On December 20, 2002, the District 2 Community Council, the Macalester-Groveland
Community Council, and Scenic Saint Paul appealed the issuance oP the sign permits by
LIEP on the grounds that: (a) The permits were contrary to provisions of the zoning
code, inc�uding but not limited to section 66.302 and fhe prohibitions against
replacement of structural elements in the Greater East Side Special Sign District
[section 66.2169.5(e)(1)(e)] and Macalester Groveland Special SigFl District [section
66.2169.3(e)(1)(e)]; (b) repairs were made prior to the issuance of the permits; (c)
repairs were made beyond what was authorized by the permits; and (d) the billboards
are illega! land uses.
The Planning Commission's responses to these claims are given in findings 4 through 8
below. .
4. The appellants claim that the permits are contrary to section 66.302 of the zoning code,
which stafes that aiivertising signs to be replaced, relocated or renovated must be on
zoning lots where advertising signs are a permifted use. City staff have foliowed a
policy that replacement of old, but undamaged sign faces is a maintenance activify as
permitted by state statute, not a replacement or renovation of the advertising sign.
Section 66.302 of the code refers primarily to the previous "Move to Conformar�ce"
program with sign credits for the relocation of billboards, a program which was
eliminated in 2000 when the most recenf bifiboard amendments were adopted.
Although the "Move to Conformance" program is dead, thera is a plauslble argument
that the replacement of a sign face is the same thing as replacement or renovation of an •
advertising sign. The city staff argued that sign face replacement is different from
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advertising sign rep/acement because: (a) billboard companies have for decades done
sign face replacements every ten years or so as a routine maintenance activity; and (b)
the cost of the sign face panels and the surrounding fiberglass trim kits are cheap
(approximately $800) in comparison with the sign structure (bed pan secured to building
rooftop, angle iron A-frames with bracing, electrical service, catwalk, stringers). The city
staff do treat sign face replacement as renovafion, which is prohibited under this
section, when a sign face has been damaged beyonii fifty percent of its replacement
cost. This treatment is in accordance with the Ramsey County disfrict court decision
about storm-damaged signs on Grand Avenue.
The city staff's position is that sign face replacement is permitfed as a routine
maintenance activity, but it is not permitted in the case of a badly damaged sign face.
While this may appear inconsistent, it has a logic based on the agent causing the
damage. The state statute on nonconforming uses refers to destructio� "by fire or other
peril". In the case of fire or wind damage, the nonconforming use cannot be replaced.
But the City does not want itself to be the cause of deterioration through preventing
routine maintenance since the state statute expiicitly permits the maintenance of
nonconforming uses.
� 5. The appeilants claim that the bi{lboard repair permits vioiate the Greater East Side and
Macalester Groveland Special Sign District regulations, most obviously with regard to
the replacement of the old stringers--2 X 6 wood stringers on White Bear Ave. and
angle-iron stringers on Grand Ave. because stringers are structural elements of
billboards. In their testimony Ciear Channel asserted the rights they hold to repair and
maintain their signs under MN statutes 462.357 on nonconformities. In issuing the
permits, LIEP, after due consideration, determined that the work requested in the
compariy's applications was within the parameters set by state law and local ordinances.
The appellants claim that some repairs were made to the billbaards before the repair
permits were issued. In the Grand Ave. case, the appellants say that the old face panel
was curled upward from the bottom and was tacked back down to a wood stringer that
was added to the structure last summer. Although such temporary repairs were made
by Clear Channel, the unauthorized repair was entirely removed as part of the sign face
replacement done under the LIEP permit that is the subject of this appeal.
There is no claim.that work was done at the White Bear Ave. signs before the building
permit was issued.
7. The appellants claim that Clear Channel made repairs that went beyond what the
permits allowed. For all five sign faces in this case, a new face panel system was used
that is different from the old sysfem in the following ways:
a) The interlocking sign face panels are horizontal instead of verticai as they have
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b) The new face panels are clipped to each other and are. secured by top-to-bottom
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vertical sprits made of galvanized steel. Before; there were no vertical sprits. The
previous sign face panels were attached direct(y to fhe horizontal wood or angle
iron stringers by metal clips.
c) The vertical metal sprits are secured by bolts to horizontal angle irons that look like
stringers, but that are, accord'ing to Clear Channel, components of the new face
replacement kits.
d) The new horizontal angle iron elements replaced the old angie iron stringers on the
Grand Ave. billb9ard. On the White Bear Ave. signs the new horizontai angle irons
appear functionally to replace the wood sYringers, aithough wocd replacement
stringers were also instailed.
LIEP staff testified that they have not yet determined whether fhe new face panel
system is consistent with the rules for repair and mainfenance of nonconforming signs.
8. The appeal claims that the biilboards are illegal. The White Bear Ave. biliboards were
erected tegai(y under two buifding permits, the mosf recent of wfiich was issued on
2/24/75. City staff presumes that the Grand Ave. billboard is also legal, although staff
haue not found a building permit. Clear Channel testified that they have buifding
permits for the Grand Ave. biilboard. The appellants in this case submitted no
evidence that the signs at either location are illegal.
Since the adoption of the new biHboard regulations in 2000, ati biflboards in the city
have become nonconforming uses. But almost all of the billboards in the city are legal
nonconforming uses that were either built with building permits or were grandfathered
by virtue of having been built before 1956, Oid buifding permits at LIEP are stored in
chronological order, not by address, or by applicant, or by type of construction.
Therefore, the City staff have difficufty retrieving old buiiding permits.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESO�VED, by the Saint Paul Planning Commission, based on
findings 1 through 5 and 8, under the authority of the City's Legislative Code, that the appeai by
the District 2 Commuhity Councif, the Macalester-Groveland Community Councii, and Scenic
Saint Paul of two sign permifs issued by the Office of License, Inspections and Environmental
Protection (LIEP) to replace existing billboard sign faces and trim with new sign faces and trim
and also to replace horizontal stringers at two properties at 1670 White Bear Ave. and 1278
Grand Ave., which are Iegally described above, is hereby denied because: (a) the biAboards
are Cegal nonconforming uses; and (b) routine replacement of sign faces is consistent with state
law for nonconforming uses and with LIEP's long-standing policy; and
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, thaf the Planning Commission, based on finciing 7, takes no
position on the question of whether work was done that exeeded what the permits authorized
and sees fhaY as an enforcemenf issue rather than a cause for revocation of the permit; fhe
Planning Commission, as an advisory body, recommends that LIEP enforce the conditions of
billboard repair permits strictly if LIEP finds any work that is nof in compliance.
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City Hall Conference Center
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A meeting of the Pl annina Commission of the City of Saint Paul was held Friday, January 24, 2003,
at 8:30 a.m. in the Conference Center of City Hall.
Commissioners Mmes. Donnelly-Cohen, Faricy, and Morton; and
Present: Messrs. Alexander, Alton, Anfaug, Dandrea, Field, Fotsch, Gordon, Johnson, and
Kramer.
Commissioners
Absent:
Mmes. *Zimmer Lonetti, *McCall, * Shortridge, and *Trevino; and Messrs.
*Gervais, *Kong, *Mardell, *Mejia, and Rosales.
*Excused
Also Present: Larry Soderholm, Planning Administrator; Allan Torstenson, Rich Malloy,
Patricia James, Yang Zhang, Marcus Martin (PED Intern), and Carol Martineau,
Department of Pla.nniug and Economic Development staff; and Wendy Lane and Jeff
Fishbach of LIEP.
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Approval of Minutes of January 10, 2003
M01TON: Commissioner Fotsch moved approval of the minutes of January Z0, 2003.
Commissioner ponnelly-Cohen seconded the motion. The motion carried unanimously on a
voice vote.
Chair's Announcements
Chair Morton reminded ffie commissioners of the Fifrh Friday Retreat on Friday, January 31,
2003. The guest speaker will be Mary Lethert Wingerd, author of Claiming the Ciry. The
book is a history of Saint Paul from its earliest days through the 1930s.
Chair Morton thanked Commissioner Alton for his witry letter in xesponse to Mr. Darling's
opinion piece in the Star Tribune.
Planning Administrator's Announcements
Mr. Larry Soderholm passed around a sign-up sheet for the Fifth Friday Retreat
He reported that it is appointments time and the Mayor's o�ce is looking for candidates for the
Planning Commission until February 14`�. The application is available on the City's web site.
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Commissioner Field agreed that the motion was just to get an opinion from the ciry attorney as
respect certain things and Commissioner Fotsch makes a reasonable request.
Commissioner Alton stated that with regazd to the facts the Plaimuig Commission should have the
minutes of the Zoning Committee meeting and copies of the eachibits wluch were entered into
evidence at that committez meeting. 'I'hat is the extent of the additional information they should
l�ave. Any other testimony or statement made by staff would be additional facts. We have to use
the photographs and evidence that was used at the comnuttee meeting and norhing further.
Motion carried on a unanimous vote
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Scenic St. Paul - Appeal of the issuance of billboard permits issued by the City's Office of License,
Inspections, and Environmental Protecrion (LIEP) to Clear Channel Outdoor, Inc. for the repair of
roo8op billboards in two different neighbonc�ods—one at 1670 Wt�te Bear Ave. aud the other at
I278 Grand Ave. The appeai was fiied joindy by the Dishict 2 Community Council and the
Macalester-Groveland Community Council. Their appeal claims that replacing billboazd faces is
contrary to their neighborhood sign ordinances and, moreover, that Cleaz Cbannel made structural
upgrades that were not allowed under the pemnts that LIEP issued. (Lcrrry Soderholm, 651/266-
6575)
Commissioner Field stated Districts 2 and 14 aze co-appeliants in this case. Four persons spoke for
the co-appellants. Two persons spoke for Clear Channel. Hearing was closed. The motion is to
deny the appeal and refer the enforcement question to LIEP on a vote of 3-2 (Kramer, Faricy)
Commissioner Kramer stated this billboazd case is sunilaz to a case of a few weeks ago on
University Ave. in Merriam Park where a sign face was replaced and appazently upgraded. Cleaz
Channel got pernuts for face replacements and stringer replacements for all four billboards at White
Bear and Lazpenteur and for one on Grand Ave. The company came in and under the pemuts for
face replacements they totally rebuilt not only the faces but also the pieces that hold the face onto
the angle iron structures. They claimed at the Zoning Committee that standardized face replacement
kits include not only what we call the face panels, but also the metai "sprits" that connect the new
horizontal style of face panels together and the horizontal angle irons, which appeaz to be
horizontai stringers. This is another case where the life of the non-conforming use is being grea$y
etrtended by a total rebuild of most of the billboazd. If you accept the argument thzx the pieces thaz
hold the face together aze part of the £ace and the pieces that hold the face to the upright structure
aze also part of the face, then, carried to the logical extreme, you could make the argument that the
building is part of the face, too.
Commissioner Field stated that the mohon from the Zoning Committee provides that LIEP will
deternune whether or not the work done by Cleaz Channel exceeded wi�at the pemuts allowed and
that the Planning Commission expects LIEP to enforce the conditions of the pemnts. At the Zoning
Committee meeting the LIEP staff was not able to answer the committee's questions about whether
the work exceeded the permit.
Commissioner Faricy supported Commissioner Krarner. She noted the only structural work
authorized under the pemuts was replacement stringers, which were wood on the White Bear
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billboards and angle iron on the Grand Ave. one. All repau materials, according to the permits,
• were to have been of the same type and materials as the original; no addition or substitution of
materials was allowed.
Commissioner Alexander asked aboutthe structuralintegrity ofbillboards. With v-shaped
billboazds, if you take away one of the signs or sign faces, does this make the structure weaker or
unworkable? What happens if the City wants to dictate specifications to a sign company that
certain parts cannot be used, but in the company's best judgment, the prohibited parts aze needed to
maintain the structural integrity of the sign? Does the City staff have the expertise to make these
types of judgement7
Ms. Lane stated that LIEP has a structural engineer on staff and that whenever LIEP has a pemut
application that comes in where there aze questions about the physical integrity of any kind of a
structure they l�ave the engineer review those plans and possibiy consult with the engmeer for the
applicant. Once construction has been completed, then the building inspector is one who follows up
to make sure that the construction was done properly. If there were questions at that point, the
structural engineer would be brought out to the site to answer them.
Commissioner Anfang stated that the argument about whether conditions on these pernuts were
exceeded is really about how "sign face" is interpreted. If the sign company just tacked those sign
panels together with angle irons, which were then bolted onto the stringers there would be no
problem.
Commissioner Field stated LIEP is responsible for enforcement issues, not the PIanning
• Commission. Fundamentally the committee's motion denies the claim by the district councils that
sign face replacement permits aze contrary to the Zoning Code. The committee then went on to
advise LIEP go up there on these rooftops and detemune if, in fact, the work that was done violates
the conditrons of the permit.
Commission Kramer stated that the appeal basically challenged LIEP's decision that complete sigi
face replacement is pernutted under the code and then went on to challenge that, even if LIEP is
found to have been right in issuing the permits, the quality of the face replacements is an illegal
upgrade to extend the life of these nonconforming uses. The appeal asks the commission to find that
the replacement of those enrire face panels is a renovation of a billboard, not just a repair and not
just maintenance. Renovation of nonconforming advertising signs is not permitted by the code.
Then there is the issue of upgrading. The appeal says that the "Cadillad' face sign kits were not
what LIEP meant to approve or had the power to approve.
Comxnissioner Alton stated that the LIEP staff detemuned that it was appropriate to grant the sign
face replacement permits. The PED staff recommended denial of the appeal because sign face
replacement is a form of routine maintenance. It is appropriate for the Plaznung Commission to
deny the appeal. It's not appropriate to grant an appeal on the grounds that the work that was done
exceeded the pemut because that can be corrected through enforcement.
Chair Morton closed the debate and asked for the vote.
ROLL CALL VOTE: The motion to deny the appeaL passed on a vote of 7-5 (Johnson,
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Comprehensive Planning Committee
Commissioner Gordon reported the next Comprehensive Planning Committee meeting will be
Tuesday, January 28, 4:00-5:30 p.m. where they will discuss the Downtown Plan and tax
exempt properties.
Neighborhood and Current Planning Committee
Bridgecreek Senior Housing Redevelopment Plan - adopt resolution.
(Patr James, 651/266-6639)
MOTION: Commissioner Faricy moved approval of the $ridgecreek Senior Housing
Redevelopment PZ¢n. The motion carried unanimously on a voice vote.
Communications Committee
Commissioner ponnelly-Cohen reported the next meeting of the Communications Committee
will be Friday, January 31, 20�3, where they will discuss the annual report and
recommendations for cable tv projects for next year.
VIII. Task Force Reports
Commissioner Anfang reported the Universiry Avenue Transit Oriented Study (TOD) second
draft was released last week.
Mr. Soderholm reported that the District 16 Summit Hill Association is updating their district
plan. He stated that tomorrow morning there will be a visioning workshop that will take place
at the Saint Paul College Club.
IX. Old Business
None.
X. New Business
Chair Morton appointed the nominating committee: Commissioners Faricy, Kramer, and Field.
The committee will contact all the commissioners to make sure that everyone has an opportuniry
to indicate their level of interest in serving. The election will take place at the Annual Meeting
on Febmary 14, 2003. Ballots will be sent out with the regulaz packet for the meeting, but the
by-laws allow for additional nozninations to be made at tha meeting.
MOTION: Chair Monon moved on behalf of the Steering Committee to set the annual
meeling for February I4, 2003. The motion carried unanimously.
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MINUTES OF THE ZONING COMMITTEE
Thursday, January 16, 2003 - 3:30 p.m.
• City Council Chambers, 3rd Floor
City Haii and Court House
15 West Kellogg Boulevard
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Gordon, Mejia, and Morton
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District 2 Community Council, Macalester Groveland Community Councii, Scenic
Minnesota, Z.F. # 02-247-939. Appeal of billboard permits issued by the City's Office of
License, Inspections, and Environmental Protection (LIEP) to Clear Channel Outdoor, Inc.
for the repair of rooftop billboards in two different neighborhoods—one at 1670 White
Bear Ave. and the other at 1278 Grand Ave. The appeal was filed jointly by the District 2
Community Council and the Macalester-Groveland Community Council. Their appeal
claims that replacing billboard faces is contrary to their neighborhood sign ordinances
and, moreover, that Clear Channel made structural upgrades that were not allowed under
the permits that LIEP issued. 1278 Grand Ave., SE comer at Syndicate; 1670 White Bear
Ave., SE corner at Larpenteur.
The meeting was chaired by Commissioner Field.
Larry Soderholm presented the staff repoR on the district councits' appeal with a
recommendation of denial in part; approval in part.
Chair Field wanted to know why the staff accepted this case as a single appeal, since the two
billboards are on opposite sides of town. Mr. Soderholm explained that the permits were
issued on the same day for sign face and stringer replacements, and the code language under
which the permits were challenged was identical in the two special sign districts. Some
previous billboard cases have involved multiple sites, and combining the sites meant less work
for the staff. There was discussion. The committee decided to proceed with one heari�g since
that was how the hearing had been advertised, but the committee reserved its prerogative to
make separate decisions depending on the facts surrounding each location. Mr. Soderholm
said that, based on the committee's preference, the staff would not in the future accept
applications for multiple sites where LIEP had taken separate actions on the sites.
At the question of Commissioner Kramer, Mr. Soderholm explained that this case raises some
of the same issues as the Merriam Park appeal last month at 1926 University Ave. about the
replacement of stringers and work exceeding the permit.
Commissioner Kramer questioned the legality of granting an appeal of something that was not
permitted by the permit, i.e., upgrading the billboard face structurally with the new method of
construction. Mr. Soderholm explained that the staff recommendation responds to each of the
stated bases for the appea{. The permits did not permit replacement of wood stringers with
angle iron stringers. ft is not clear whether the permit allowed the new structural system for the
sign faces and tFiat was also ambiguous in the Merriam Park case.
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At the question of Commissioner Faricy, Mr. Soderholm explained that the state law says that
owners of nonconforming property have a right to continue the use of their nonconforming
property including through maintenance and repair; however, if it is destroyed by more than 50
percent of its market value it has to become a conforming use. Municipalities have the
authority to adopt reasonable regulations for nonconforming uses to promote the public health,
safety, and welfare. This leaves a legal grey area for the City regarding billboard repairs.
Does the state law mean that any repair that is less than 50 percent of the market value of a
nonconforming structure is automatically permitted, which is the way Mr. Liszt reads the law; or
does it mean that local governments can enact reasonab�e limitations on the types and extent
of repairs so that nonconforming uses will not remain in place forever. In the Raymond Ave.
billboard repair case, the City Council decided by a five to two vote that the City's special sign
district ordinance prohibiting replacement of any structurat elements of nonconforming signs—
even low cost elements--is a reasonable regulation and is within the authority granted by state
law. The Raymond Ave. decision came after LIEP issued the permits in today's case, and the
Council's Raymond Ave. decision is why the staff is recommending that LIEP issued these
permits in error to the extent that the permits included repiacement of stringers.
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Chuck Repke, District 2 Community Council, testified about the White Bear Ave. site. District 2
representatives understood that the effect of the Greater East Side Special Sign District would
be to leave billboards intact and, as billboards in the neighborhood became antiquated, they
would eventualty have to be removed. These specific biliboards are at a lucrative location at •
the intersection of Larpenteur and White Bear and they woutd probably remain there for a long
time because the sign owners would keep them repaired by cannibalizing ofher signs for
replacements parts for these signs. When District 2 learned that LIEP approved a repair
permit, they assumed initially that a little maintenance wouid be done on the signs. But in fact,
the repair work consisted of a total replacement of the sign faces. They are now entirely
different signs which have horizontal instead of vertical face panels, angle iron stringers and
other new metal parts. Furthermore, alI the work was done during the night, on a Friday night.
He felt that the special sign district ailowed for a"1964 Chevy Impala" to be maintained until it
couldn't run, but now the company has switched the sign into a"2002 Cadillac". Under state
law biilboards are not even classified as real property; they are personal property. The City
should follow the special sign district regulations and allow only basic maintenance, not major
replacements.
Mary Wiimea, Macaiester Groveland Community Council, testified about the Grand Ave. site.
She commented that she has not previously been to a hearing on billboards but she now sees
that it is an arduous process to sunset billboards. She stated Ciear Channel started repairing
the billboard before the permit was issued and the appeal shouid be granted.
Brian Bates, representative of Maclaester Groveland Community Council, District 2, and
Scenic St. Paul, testified about both sites. He stated that there are several layers of applicable
law and therefore it is important to understand how they are supposed to be interpreted in
relation to one another. State Law 462.357 contains the provisions on alI nonconforming uses:
the one year abandonment rule; the 50 percent damage clause; and the power of
municipalities by ordinance to impose reasonable regulations on nonconformities to prevent �
and abate nuisances and to protect the public health, safety, and welfare. There are also the
pre-existing zoning ordinance sections: 66,301 and 66.302 that go back to the mid-1980's;
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66214 prohibits new advertising signs; and also special sign districts. Mr. Bates submitted a
paper on Rules of Statutory Construction for the record. He stated that, as a general rule, all
of the laws must be harmonized a�d none of the laws can be excluded unless there is a direct
and unavoidable conflict. He elaborated four points: (1) Every law shall be construed, if
possible, to give effect to all of its provisions, Minn.Stat. 645.16; (2) Whenever it is possible, no
word, phrase, or sentence should be deemed supertluous, void or insignificant; (3) It is
presumed the Legislature intended to favor the pubiic interest over the private interest,
Minn.Stat. 645.17(5); (4) Specific provisions of an act prevail over prior, generaf provisions,
Minn.Stat. 645.26(1). (See "Rules of Statutory Construction" in Results of January 16, 2003,
packet as mailed to the Planning Commission.)
Mr. Bates continued by challenging the City staff's interpretations. Section 66.302, which
prohibits renovation of adveRising signs, is dismissed by staff even though it is more specific
than 66.301, which applies to all types of signs. The Ramsey County district court held in a
storm-damaged sign case that face repiacement is a renovation. The staff interpretations
routinely favor the private interesis of bifiboard companies--in today's case a Texas
corporation--over the public interests of the city's neighborhoods. The staff only recently
agreed to notify neighborhoods when they issue biliboard repair permits. The only reason a
biliboard repair permit at the Green Mill building on Grand Ave. was not appealed a couple of
months ago was because the neighborhood didn't learn about the permit until after the 30-day
appeal period expired.
• At the question of Commissioner Anfang, Mr. Bates stated that the real estate industry would
acknowledge that there is a negative effect on property values when biliboards are present.
At the question of Commissioner Alton, Mr. Bates explained that Section 66.301 applies to alI
signs, whereas Section 66.302 appiies specifically to advertising signs. The Planning
Commission should first look at Section 66.302; if the repair is not a renovation, then the
Commission should look at Section 66.301. The zoning staff has reduced 66.302 to section
66.301. The renovation standard is being ignored. The only thing staff uses is the 50 percent
rule. Upon further questioning, Mr. Bates explained that the public interest has been
determined by the City Council in Section 66.214.
Laura Gutmann, community organizer with Macalester-Groveland, reiterated that the
Macalester-Groveland Community Council feels this is an important issue and they voted
unanimously to appeal LIEP's decision about the Grand Ave. site. The Macalester-Groveland
Special Sign District was adopted by City Council to provide sign controls. They aren't trying to
get rid of every billboard in Macalester-Groveland; they just want the sign controls to be used.
The Special Sign Plan for Macalester-Groveland states that no nonconforming sign shall be
maintained through replacement of structural elements. But the LIEP repair permit states that
the "only structural work authorized is the replacement of the metal stringers. This
contradiction is a concern of Macalester-Groveland; another concem is that Clear Channel did
repair work on the billboard prior to receiving the repair permit.
Marvin Liszt, Attorney for Clear Channel Outdoor, stated there was a serious jurisdictional
• issue that needs to be addressed. There are 1wo totally dififerent applications that Clear
Channel submitted to repair the biliboards. They involve separate structures in separate parts
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of the city and they have nothing to do with each other. The current process is a quasi-judicial
proceeding. The appeal filed by the appellants is o�e application for two different unrelated
mafters with an appticafion fee of $225, which is less than the fee Clear Channe( has to pay
when it appeals a decision at one location. The appellants have not met the requirement of
the ordinance to appeal an administrative decision. These appeals shouid be denied
jurisdictionaliy.
At the question of Commissioner Field, Mr. Warner stated that the sign portion of the Zoning
Code states in essence that any person aggrieved by an administrative decision can file an
appeal and take it to the Planning Commission. It doesn't say anything about zoning fees;
they are set by a separate City Council action. Certain procedural rules must be followed. The
standing of the appeilants can be challenged at any time and the challenge may be reserved
as an argument before a court if the matter ever gets there. But the Planning Commission can
go forward with this public hearing. Going forward today won't prevent the Planning
Commission from revisiting the propriety of multi-site appeals at a future date.
Marvin Liszt stated that if an appeal were submitted without a check, the application would be
returned by the City staff, and if it was not resubmitted with the 30-day appeal period, the
ability to appeal would be lostjurisdictionally.
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Peter Warner advised that the language in the ordinance is not particulariy clear, but the case •
was at a point of no return and the appellants have already been heard.
Larry Soderholm explained that fees for zoning applications are sef by a resolution of the City
Council that was adopted in 1994. There is a new proposal going to the City Council to revise
the 1994 fees. The 1994 fees distinguish between appeals filed by a business or institution
and appeals filed by a resident. Appeals by residents have a lower fee; appeals by
businesses have a higher fee. District Councils have always been charged the residential fee.
Marvi� Liszt requested that if the matter proceeded, the Zoning Committee would consider as
a part of the deliberation whether there is proper jurisdiction before the Pianning Commission.
Mr. Liszt stated in the application for appeal, ground number 2 states that boards were
repaired without permits prior to the repairs authorized by permits. That statement is false.
The permits were issued on November 2�, 2002, and the work was done on November 22,
2002, and there was no work done prior to that time. There is no evidence presented that
work was done prior to that time and Ciear Channel Outdoor objects to letting that aliegation
color the matter. Ground number 4 states that boards are illegal, and are built without permits.
There is no evidence behind that claim; in fact, they were built with permits. The State Statute
462.357 gives Clear Channel Outdoor the right to make repairs; the City staff did the right thing
in issuing permits for repairs to the billboards. Repairs done now have to be made with parts
that are available now. Mr. Liszt gave an example of a nonconforming gas station or house
that was built in 1940. If a window needed repair, it would be difficult to find a replacement
window from '1940. The owner could install a new replacement window in the gas station or
house.
Chris McCarver, Owner of Clear Channel Outdoor, submitted pictures of the 1676 White Bear �
Avenue biliboards for the record and stated there are wood stringers going across the entire
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length of the structures. The horizontal panels are a change in the industry standard and the
change was discussed with Mr. Fischbach of LIEP prior to his issuance of the permits. The
replacement wood stringers were connected to the steel uprights which were afready in
existence. The horizontal angle irons are now part of the sign face kits. They are components
of the faces themselves, they are not the stringers. He stated that the White Bear Ave. permit
was valid for the replacement of all four sign faces and their trim and for replacement of the
wood stringers. That is all the work that the company has done there.
Mr. McCarver also submitted pictures for 1276 Grand Avenue, and stated stringers at this site
have always be steel. The paneis were changed from vertical panels to horizontal panels
which was discussed with Mr. Fischbach prior to the issuance of the permit. He suggested that
the public interest is indeed spelled out in the ordinances, which provide that nonconforming
signs can continue. He reminded the committee that Mr. Bates had a ballot initiative in 1999,
and a majority of the public voted that signs were not an issue. That is the public interest. The
City should get off this issue, let existing billboards be repaired, and stop the needless waste
of taxpayer money and time.
At the question of Commissioner Kramer, Mr. McCarver stated that the horizontal stringers
were replaced at both sites and they did the repairs to the exact letter of the permits. The
permits stated that the stringers could be replaced.
O Upon a further question from Commissioner Kramer, Mr. Liszt stated that ground number 3 of
the appeal alleges that the billboards were repaired beyond what was allowed by the permits.
Some of the repairs may have been structural, but the state law says you can do repairs and
maintenance to a nonconforming use. The law doesn't offer any distinction between structural
versus nonstructural. To the extent that speciai sign districts talk about the repairs being
permitted based on structural versus nonstructural elements without regard to the value of the
sign, the special sign districts conflict with state statute and are illegal.
At the inquiry of Commissioner Alton, Mr. Liszt explained that the special sign districts aren't
illegal in and of themselves. The City Council can adopt special sign districts so that a
neighborhood can have distinctive looking signs in its area and these sign districts are
ordinances of the City. However, a special sign district ordinance that includes a provision that
is unconstitutionai or contradicts state law would be invalid with regard to that provision.
Upon a question from Commissioner Kramer, Mr. McCarver itemized the billboard components
at these sites that were not changed: the steel bedding, the vertical angle iron or C-Channel
towers, cross bracing, cat walks, illumination, access ladders, and top rails.
Charles Repke, responded to the jurisdictional challenge. He stated that the co-appellants
foliowed the City staff's instructions on how to appeal in a timely fashion within the 30 days
and any minor mistakes can be resolved without the case being thrown out. If the City wants a
second check, the District 2 Community Council will pay the additional fee. There is an
important issue at stake that needs to be decided on its merits.
• Commissioner Field asked why the appeal had only one signature. Brian Bates stated that in
signing the appeal he was representing the Macalester-Groveland Community Council, the
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District 2 Community Council, and Scenic St. Paul, and that all three organizations had
authorized him to file in their behalf. He explained that the grounds for the appeal are
allegations. Where the appeal stated that "boards were repaired without permits prior to
repairs authorized by permits", he meant the Grand Ave. biliboard. At that site, before any
biliboard repair permit was issued a new element was added to the back of the structure, to
which the old, bent, vertical panels were tacked down so that a new message could be posted
on the sign face. These temporary repairs are documented by the photos and described in
the staff report.
Mr. Bates continued with his observation that If this same process of sign face replacement is
followed, if the City issues repair permits for ali types of "minor repairs", then eventually all the
biliboards in the city will be as good as new.
At the question of Commissioner Alton, Jeff Fischbach of LIEP stated that a final determination
has not been made as to whether or not the conditions of the permits have been exceeded. If
the City does determine that the conditions of these permits have been violated, then LIEP will
tell Clear Channel to remove the violations or make the repairs as they were approved on the
permit.
Upon the question of Commissioner Field, Mr. Fischbach stated he has been out to the sites
but has not been up on the roofs to do close-up inspections.
Marvin Liszt stated that if there were any repairs that exceeded the permit, that doesn't
invalidate the permit. That would be an enforcement issue in which Clear Channel would have
to do something or suffer the consequences.
Brian Bates cautioned that regardless of whether LIEP determines or fails to determine if the
repairs comply with the permit, the neighborhoods have to file any appeal within 30 days or
lose their right to appeal. They're caught in a dilemma. ThaYs why they had to file this appeal
when they did.
The public hearing was closed.
Commissioner Kramer moved staff recommendations 1 through 3 as writteR and
recommendation 4 with the following amendment: Strike the language saying, "the staff
recommends granting the appeal with regard to..." and insert instead, "the Planning
Commission finds that repair work done by Clear Channel Outdoor that exceeded ...etc.'
Commissioner Morton seconded the motion.
Commissioner Anfang stated he would vote against the motion based ort recommendation 4.
He doesn't think that the Planning Commission couid find that Clear Channel exceeded what
LIEP's permits allowed them to do. He felt this committee didn't have the ability to reach that
conclusion without a report from LIEP on their inspection and enforcement measures.
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At the question of Commissioner Alton, Mr. Warner stated the enforcement recommendation •
from fhe Planning Commission would not be binding. LIEP could choose to issue an
enforcement tag, or use civil action. Any action by the Planning Commission would be coming
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from an advisory body that lacks the power to dictate the way LIEP operates. He further
thought that, since the appeal is based in part on a charge that Clear Channel did work on the
biliboards beyond what the permits ailowed, the Planning Commission ought to address that
charge.
The motion failed on a vote of two to three.
Commissioner Anfang moved the staff recommendation 2, which denied the appellants' claim
that the billboards are illegal. He thought the evidence showed that all of the billboards are
legal nonconforming uses.
Commissioner Alton seconded the motion, but was concerned that the committee needed to
go further and deal with the entire appeal.
At the question of Commissioner Field, Mr. Warner concurred with Mr. Alton that the
committee's action should address all four of the bases for the appeal, especially number 1,
which deals with the replacement of face panels in special sign districts. This is the difficult
gray area where the City staff and the neighborhoods disagree. The Planning Commission
and next, most likely, the City Council need to determine whether face replacement is going to
be permitted or not.
� Commissioner Alton staied that Commissioner Anfang's motion is generally that the appeai
should be denied. The staff findings as written do not support denial on all four bases, but
they support denial with regard to issuance of sign face repair permits and with regard to the
signs being legal nonconforming uses. No testimony was given that the repairs at either site
exceeded 50 percent of the signs' values. With regard to the charge that repairs were
made at the Grand Ave. site before the City permit was issued, it is a moot point
because any unauthorized repairs were subsequently removed when the face was
replaced pursuant to the permit. With respect to the contention that the repair work at
both sites exceeded what was allowed by permit, that is a question that the Planning
Commission can't decide with the evidence that was presented at this hearing. WhaYs
more, it's a question that LIEP has the authority to decide and act on regardless of what
the Planning Commission recommends. Mr. Fischbach cannot state at this point
whether the repairs went beyond the permits. The City has expressed its policy that
the number of biilboards in the .city should be reduced over time, so repairs beyond what
was legally permitted by LIEP should not be allowed by Planning Commission action.
Enforcement is LIEP's responsibility and LIEP should enforce the law vigorously. The
Commission should not intervene at this point either to grant or deny the appeal with regard to
the allegation that repairs went beyond the permit.
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Commissioner Alton offered a friendly amendment to include staff recommendation 1 and add
a finding that there was testimony from Clear Channel that the repairs were done consistent
with the permits, but that LIEP staff has not yet determined whether all of the repair work was
consistent with the permits. Therefore, repairs beyond the permits are not appropriate
grounds for granting the appeal. But if LIEP staff finds that repairs were done beyond the
permits, enforcement action should be taken. So in essence the appeal would be denied
based on staff recommendations 1 and 2. The LIEP staff properly issued the permits in
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accordance with the Iaw. Staff recommendations 3 and 4 are separate enforcement issues to
be pursued by LIEP and are not proper grounds for an appeal.
Commissioner Anfang accepted the friendly amendment.
The motion passed 3-2 (Faricy, Kramer)
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L RULES OF STATUTORY CONSTRUCTION ��'�mrn��2 ��vi (/h� ����� �
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a) Every ]aw shall be construect, if possible, to give effect to all its provisions. Miun.Stat.
645.16.
b) Whenever it is possible, no word, phrase, or senteace should be deemed superIluous,
void, or msignificant.
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c} We i�-the Legislatiire intended to favor the public interest over the private
interest. Minn.Stat. 645.17(5).
Amural u Saint Cloud Hosp., 598 N..2d 379, 384 (Minn. 1999).
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d) Specific provisions � an act prevail over prior, general provisions. Minn.Stat.
645.26(1).
State v. Corbin, 343 N.W2d 874, 875 (Minn.App. 1984).
Ehlert v Graue, 195 N.W.2d 823, 826 (Minn. 1972).
II STAFF F'INDINGS
� a) "City staff believe that replacement of an old, but undacnaged sign face is a maintenance
activity as pernutted by state statute, not a replacement or renovation of the advertising sign."
Response: By this interpretation staff deems section 66.301 to control. Staff is saying that
if the sign face is damaged greater than 50% it cannot be replaced, otherwise it can. This
interpretafion gives effect to section 66301 exclusively. This intetpretation violates the above
cited rules of construction a, b, c, and d. This interpretation reads section 66302 out of the
zoning code entirely, favors the private mterest over the public interest, and allows general
provisions, those which pertain to all signs, to prevail over the specific provision wluch pertains to
advertising signs.
b) "Secrion 66302 of the code refers primazily to the previous "move to confonvauce"
program with sign face credits for the location of billboards, a prograzn which was eliminated in
2000 when the most recent billboazd amendments were adopted."
Response: Had the City Council meant to reject section 66302 m its entirety, it would
have. Ratfier the Ciry Council specifically eliminated the entire "move to conforntance" program,
since billboards were made a prohibited and use they cannot be made confomung, but kept wt�at
remains of section 66.302. Staff s intetpretation gives no meaning to what rema.ins of section
66.302 violating niles of construction a, b, and d above.
c) "The city staff do treat sign face replacement as renovation, which is prolu�bited under
• this section, when a sign face bas been damaged beyond 50% of its replacement cost."
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Response: The district court has stated that sign &ce replacement is renovation. The •
district court was dealing with a circutnstance where the sign face was entirely destroyed.
However, the district court did not qualify its mterpretation of the ordinance. It stated simply that
sign face replacement was renovation. This rnting coutd be given a broad interpretation giving
effect to the underlying public policy tbat bffiboazds aze an urban blight adversely affecting the
public health, safety and weTfare or the narrow interpretation staff gives it. The narrow
interpretation violates rules of intetpretaTion a, b, c, and d.
As a practical matter, stafes interpretations have largely fa�ored the billboazd companies'
interests over the interests of neighborhood residents. There was an infamous quote in the
Highland Villager ttiat LIEP simpty ignored all special sign districts. LIEP, until recentty, refused
to make public permit appfications they received from biltboard companies, now LIEP has
changed tY�at policy and does routinely inform the relevant community council. We think it a
better policy that neighbors neaz an� particulaz billboard be informed 'm addition to the
Comunwity Councils. Untfl these recent appeals where the appeUant raised section 66.302, that
section was routinely ignored. It is not difficult to discern a"lean" towazd private interests and
away from public i�terPsts; toward the bi7Tboazd companies interests and away from neighborhood
interests; toward multi-national, Te�s-based, corporate profits and away from neighborhood
properiy vatues.
If it is true that sign faces need to be replaced every 10 years, we would logically see all •
boazds in the City slowly removed over the neact decade. That would be in keeping with the
City's policy of disallowing any new buildings aud removal of e�sting billboazds by attrition.
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ZONING COMMITTEE STAFF REPORT
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APPELLANTS: District 2 Community Council, HEARING DATE: 01/16/03
Macalester-Groveland Community Council, and Scenic Saint Paul
2. TYPE OF APPLICATION: Administrative Appeal
3. LOCATIONS: 1670 White Bear Ave, SE corner at Larpenteur Ave. and 1278 Grand Ave.,
SE corner at Syndicate St.
4. PIN 8� LEGAL DESCRIPTIONS:
White Bear Ave. property: (PIN 23-29-22-22-0121) Hilicrest Center subj. to Ave; W'/z of
Vac Gary Place accruing & N 85 ft of lot 1 block 4(LIEP billboard ref. # 267)
Grand Ave. property: (PIN 03-28-23-42-0048) Stinson's Blvd, Block 4, Lot 12 (LIEP
billboard ref. �# 343)
5. PLANNING DISTRICTS District 2 and District 14 PRESENT ZONING B-2 at
both sites
6. ZONING CODE REFERENCE: §66.408(a); 66.101; 66.2169.3(e)(1); 66.2169.5(e)(1);
66.301: and 66.302
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STAFF REPORT DATE: 1/9/03
BY: Larry Soderholm
8. DATE RECEIVED: 12/20/02 DEADLINE FOR ACTION: 2/18/03
A. PURPOSE: Appeal of billboard permits issued by the office of Licensing, Inspections and
Environmental Protection (LIEP) for replacement of existing billboard sign face panels,
trim and the horizontal stringers that support the sign faces. Appellants claim that
replacement of sign face paneis and stringers is contrary to their neighborhood special
sign districts, that the actual repairs made exceeded the conditions of the permits, and
that the billboards are not legal nonconforming uses.
B. PARCEL SIZES: White BearAve.: 30,848 square feet; Grand Ave.: 6,150.square feet
C. EXISTING LAND USE: White BearAve.: 1-story, multi-tenant shopping center; Grand
Ave.: 1-story commercial building occupied by an ethnic restaurant. The billboards are on
the roofs.
D. SURROUNDING LAND USES:
White Bear Ave.
North: Auto-oriented commercial strip in Maplewood
South: Hilicrest Shopping Center takes the whole block (B-2)
East: Senior housing (RT-2)
West: Commercial across White Bear Ave., planned for redevelopment as a
Walgreen's (B-3)
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Grand Ave.
North: Supermarket parking across Grand (B-2); 2 single-family houses kitty-corner
(RM-2)
South: Duplexes and single-family residential across the alley (RT-1)
East: House converted to commercial use next door, then two more houses all in B-2
zone.
West: Apartment buildings across Syndicate (RM-2)
E. ZONING CODE CITATIONS:
§66.408(a) of the Zoning Code, which is part of the chapter on signs, states that "Any
person affected by the decision of the zoning administrator dealing wifh the provisions of
this chapter may appeaf this decision to the planning commission within thirty (30)
calendar days of the decision." §64.209(j), which is in the administration and enforcement
chapter of the Zoning Code, provides that appeais of administrative decisions to the
Planning Commission must be heard within 30 days.
§66.101 states the general purposes of the sign chapter of the zoning code. §66.30'I Iists
the purpose of the sign code with respect to nonconforming signs. §66.301(2) prohibits
reconstruction of a nonconforming sign if the sign or sign structure is destroyed to an
extent greater than 51 percent of its replacement cost. §66.302 refers to the �revious
"Move to Conformance" program with sign credits. and §66.2169.5 and §66.2i69.3 give,
respectively, the regulations for the Greater East Side and Grand Ave. Special Sign
Districts, with restrictions on nonconforming signs listed in each case in paragraph (e).
F. HISTORY/DISCUSSION: For each location, LIEP issued a sign permit on 11/21/02 for
replacement of the existing sign faces and trim with new sign faces and trim (the
fiberglass "picture frames"). The permits also approve the replacement of the horizontal
stringers that support the sign faces. In the White Bear case the old stringers were wood
and could be replaced only with wood; in the Grand Ave. case, the old stringers were
angle iron and could be replaced with metal. in both cases, district council
representatives called the City with questions and complaints about the work being done
on the billboards, and in particular why new angie iron was being installed on the White
Bear Ave. billboards.
There is no other zoning histary on these two billboard locations. However, this same
issue of biilboard face replacement in a special sign district was recently brought to the
Planning Commission in an appeal by the Merriam Park Community Council regarding a
roof-top billboard at 1926 University Ave. On that case, the Zoning Committee and the
Planning Commission were evenly split on whether to grant or deny the appeal.
G. DISTRICT COUNCIL RECOMMENDATIONS: Both district councils are co-appellants in
this case.
H. FINDINGS:
On October 28, 2002, Ciear Channel Outdoor applied for sign permits for both '1670
White Bear Ave. (all four sign faces) and 1278 Grand Ave. (a single sign face) to
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replace the sign faces, trim, and stringers on the rooftop biliboards.
2. On November 21, 2002, Jeff Fischbach of the LIEP staff issued a permit for each of
the two applications. The White Bear Ave. permit was subject to the following
conditions, which are written on the permit: `Height of sign faces musf not be
increased. The sign sfructures have only wooden stringers. All repair materiais must
be of the same type as the original maferials, no addifion or substitution of materials
aUowed. The only structural work authorized is the replacemenf of fhe wooden
stringers. No other structural work permi#ed. No electrical work proposed or
authorized. Any elecfrical work would require the biilboard owner to obtain a
separafe electricai permit."
The Grand Ave. permit was subject to the following conditions, which are written on
the permit: `i of sign face must not be increased. Only structural work
aufhonzed is the replacement of the mefal stringers. No other structural work
proposed."
Clear Channel crews worked at both sites and repiaced the sign faces, trim, and
stringers.
3. On December 20, 2002, the District 2 Community Council, the Macalester-Groveland
� Community Council, and Scenic Saint Paul appealed the issuance of the sign permits
�, by LIEP on the grounds that: (a) The permits were contrary to provisions of the
zoning code, inciuding but not limited to section 66.302 and the prohibitions against
replacement of structural elements in the Greater East Side Special Sign District
[section 66.2169.5(e)(1)(e)] and Macalester Groveland Special Sign District [section
66.2169.3(e)(1)(e)]; (b) repairs were made prior to the issuance of the permits; (c)
repairs were made beyond what was authorized by the permits; and (d) the bilfboards
, are illegal land uses.
The City staff responses to these claims are given in findings 4 through 8 below.
4. The appellants claim that the permits are contrary to section 66.302 of the zoning
code, which states that advertising signs to be replaced, relocated or renovated must
be on zoning lots where advertising signs are a permitted use. City staff believe that
replacement of an old, but undamaged sign face is a maintenance activity as
permitted by state statute, not a replacement or renovation of the advertising sign.
Section 66.302 of the code refers primarily to the previous "Move to Conformance"
program with sign credits for the relocation of billboards, a program which was
eliminated in 2000 when the most recent billboard amendments were adopted.
Although the "Move to Conformance" program is dead, there is a plausibie argument
that the replacement of a sign face is the same thing as replacement or renovation of
an advertising sign. The city staff regard sign face replacement as different from
advertising sign replacemenf because: (a) billboard companies have for decades
� done sign face replacements every ten years or so as a routine maintenance activity;
and (b) the cost of the sign face panels and the surrounding fiberglass trim kits are
cheap (approximately $800) in comparison with the sign structure (bed pan secured
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to building rooftop, angle iron A-frames wifh bracing, electrica! service, catwalk,
stringers). The city staff do treat sign face replacement as renovation, which is
prohibited under this section, when a sign face has been damaged beyond fifty
percent of its replacement cost. This treatment is in accordance with the Ramsey
County district court decision about storm-damaged signs on Grand Avenue.
Thus, the city staff position is that sign face replacement is permitted as a routine
maintenance activity, but it is not permitted in the case of a badly damaged sign face.
While this may appear incoRSistent, it has a logic based on the agent causing the
damage. The sfate statute on nonconforming uses refers to destruction "by fire or
other peril". In the case of fire or wind damage, the nonconforming use cannot be
reptaced. But the City does not want iiself to be the cause of deterioration through
preventing routine maintenance since the state statute explicitly permits the
maintenance of nonconforming uses.
5. The appeilants c{aims that the biliboard repair permits violate the Greater East Side
artd Macalester Groveland Special Sign Disfricf regufafions, The City staff find that
the permi#s in this case were issued in error with regard to the repfacement of the old
stringers--2 X 6 wood stringers on White Bear Ave. and angle-iron stringers on Grand
Ave.
The language on nonconforming signs is identical in the two special sign districts. It �
says, "No nonconforming sign shall be: ...(e) Mainfained through replacement of
structu2l elements." in 2000, at the time of the biliboard zoning study, the Planning
Commission recommended that stringers should be treated as structural elements,
but sign face panels should not be treated as structural elements. The City Council
neither adopted fhe Commission's recommendation, nor fashioned an .alternative
definition of structural eiements. In 2001, the state law was amended to give owners
of nonconforming property the right to repair and maintain it. In light of the new state
law, the Planning Commission decided to allow minor structural repairs in the
Raymond Ave, billboard repair case, notwithstanding the speciai sign districYs
categorical prohibition against structural replacement. LIEP staff relied on thaY
decision in issuing the permits to repiace stringers on the White Bear and Grand
Avenue biliboards. However, the Planning Commission's Raymond Ave. decision
was then overtumed by the City Council. The Council determined that a categorical
prohibition against structural replacement could be harmonized with the state law's
protection of property owners.
6. The appeilants claim that some repairs were made to the billboards before the repair
permits were issued. In the Grand Ave. case, the appellants say that the o!d face
panel was curled upward from the bottom and was tacked back down to a wood
stringer that was added to the structure last summer. LIEP staff confirms that this is
true. Photos attached to this staff report show the repair that was made without a
building permit. The unauthorized repair was entirely removed as part of the sign
face replacement done under the LIEP permit that is the subject of this appeal.
There is no ciaim that unauthorized work was done at the White Bear Ave. signs. �
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7. The appeliants claim that Clear Channel made repairs that went beyond what the
permits allowed. Staff agrees that this claim is true for the White Bear Ave. repairs.
For alI five sign faces in this case, a new face panel system was used that upgrades
the billboards structuraliy and will extend the useful lives of these signs.
The new face panel system is different from the old system in the following ways:
a) The interlocking sign face panels are horizontal instead of vertical as they have
been in the past;
b) The new face panels are clipped to each other and are secured by two top-to-
bottom verticai struts made of galvanized steel. Before, there were no vertical
struts. The previous sign face panels were attached directly to the horizontal wood
stringers by metal clips.
c) The vertical metal struts are secured by bolts to the vertical angle iron A-frame
structure.
d) New horizontal angle iron stringers were added to the White Bear Ave. signs. As
an apparent gesture toward the condition on the permit, repiacement wood
stringers were installed, but they are redundant and cosmetic. The wood stringers
appear to have no function.
� By changing the materials and adding vertical metal struts and horizontal angle iron
stringers, Clear Channel has violated conditions of the White Bear Ave. permit that
"All repair materials must be of the same type as the original materials, no addition or
substitution of materials allowed. The only structural work authorized is the
replacement of the wooden stringers."
The appeal claims that the billboards are illegal. The White Bear Ave. biliboards were
erected legally under a building permit issued on 2/24/75. City staff presumes that
the Grand Ave. billboard is also legal, although staff have not found a building permit.
Since the adoption of the new biUboard regulations in 2000, all billboards in the city
have become nonconforming uses. But almost all of the biliboards in the city are
legal nonconforming uses that were either built with building permits or were
grandfathered by virtue of having been built before 1956. Old building permits at
LIEP are stored in chronological order, not by address, or by applicant, or by type of
construction. Therefore, the City staff have difficulty retrieving oId building permits.
The appellants in this case haven't submitted any evidence that the sign is not legal.
9. The Sign Chapter of the Zoning Code provides regulations for nonconforming signs.
Section 66.301(a) on nonconforming signs reads: "No sign sfrall be enlarged or
altered in a way which increases its nonconformity except for temporary extensions
on billboards as permitted in paragraph 7 of this section." The Greater East Side and
• Macalester Groveland Special Sign Districts provide that "No nonconforming sign
shall be: (a) Altered or enlarged in any way,� or (b) Replaced by another
nonconforming sign, though a change in the message wil/ not be deemed to be a
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repiacement;" The changes in the method of construction described in finding 8
violate these provisions. They are alterations of the b+llboard that are designed to
extend the Iife of the sign.
STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS:
Based on Findings 1 through 4, the staff recommends denial of the appeal by the District
2 Community Council, the Macalester-Groveland Community Council, and Scenic Saint
Paul with regard to LIEP's issuance of biliboard repair permits for face panel replacements
and trim kits at 1670 White Bear Av�. and at 1278 Grand Ave.
Based on Findings 1, 2, 3, and 8, the staff recommends denial of the appeai with regard
to the legafity of the billboards. All of the billboards in this case should be treated as legal
nonconforming uses.
2. Based on Findings 1, 2, 3, and 5, the staff recommends granting the appeal with regard to
LIEP's issuance of billboard repair permits for repiacement of the horizontal stringers that
support the bitlboards af 1670 White Bear Ave. and at 1278 Grand Ave.
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3. Based on Findings 1, 2, 3, 7, and 9, the staff recommends granting the appeal with regard �
to repair work done by Clear Channel Outdoor that exceeded what LIEP's permits and
Chapter 66 of the Zoning Code ailow. PED staff recommends that LIEP require that
biliboard repairs be made in ways that do not upgrade the designs and materials of
nonconforming signs.
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APPLICATION FOR APPEAL
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���TJ Zoning Sectio�r
II00 Ciry Hall Annex
25 West Fou'rth Street
Saint Paul, MN 55102
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350 SA Peter Street, Suite 300
PERMIT #20 02 237078 Saint Pauf, MN 55102• 70
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FAX: (651) 2
CONTRACTOR: OWNER:
CLEAR CH�'NEL OUTDOOR LARRY M SAI.ITER�IAN SEE COMri IENT
3225 SPRLYG ST NE 5005 OLD CED:1R LAKE RD
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PERIVIIT ADDRESS: 1670 WHITE BEAR AVE N
ST PAUL MN 55106-16t0
SUB TYPE: Billboazds WORK TYPE: Commercial Repair/Alter
Yermit is valid Tor the replacement of the 4 sia faces, and their trim, and the wooden strineers of the structures where the siF
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Billboard Length
Si�n Credits
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\o other structural work pertnitted. Yo elechicai work proposed or authonzed. Any electrical work woutd require [he bitlboard owner to obtsm a
separate electrical pertnit.
The inspector assigned to this Permit is Dave N. who can be reached at 651-266-9027 behveen 7.30 AM and 9.00
A_v1 Monday throu�h Friday
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(4) the location and esonomic life expectancy of the outdoor advertising s�ucture ----
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BILLBO aRD / SIGN
PERi�IIT #:20 02 237038
Issued Date: November 21, 2002
\TR4CTOR:
CLE4R CHa.V\EL OLTDOOR
32?5 SPRI\G ST \E
bIPLS bL�i 55413-2908
PERi`IIT ADDRESS: 1278 GRA.�� AvE
SUB TYPE: Biilboards
Permit is for the
Estimated Value of �Vork
Estimated Completion Date
Billboard Sq Ft
boaTd Len�th —
Credits
ST PALTL hN 5510�-2604
O«'\ER:
CITY OF SAINT PAUL �
OKCe of License, �nsp¢:;,� j
& Environmental Pro;ectcn '��
350 St Peter Street. Suit= 3:0 �
SaintPaul,MN55102.!5;p �
PHONE (651) 26o-9�SV I
FAX: (651) 266-3•21 i
GREGORY T ROI'TER
3653 COLF.�1 A�� S
bII\�'EAPOLIS �L1 55409-1021
WORK TYPE: Commercial Repair/Alter
of thz siQn face, and its h-im, and the metal strin�ers oe the structure
3241.71
Nov 16, 2002
300
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Estimated Start Date
Billboard Tvpe
Billboard �Vidth
Billboard Hei�ht
Sion Credit; Uszd
1Vov I5, 2002
Roof
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Perntit Fee
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TOTAL 13 � .42
Hzight of sign face must noe be increaszd Onty structural work authorized is thz replacement of the mztal strin�ers. No other s[ruceu:_I «or�
proposed.
The inspector assigned to this Permit is Jon H. �Gho can be reached at 651-266-9022 between 7.30 Ai�1 and 9.00
A:tiI Monday throu�h Friday
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OFFICE OF LICENSE, INSPECTIONS AND ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION
350 ST. PETER STREET, SUITE 300
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RESOLUTION
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WHEREAS, the District 2 Community Council, the Macalester Groveland Community Council and Scenic
Saint Paul, in Zoning File 02-247-939, appealed the decision of the zoning administrator to issue billboazd
permits for advertising signs located at 1670-1680 White Bear Avenue, (on the southeast corner at Larpenteur
Avenue) and legally described as set forth in the said zoning file; and
WHEREAS, the Planning Commission's Zoning Committee conducted a public hearing on the appeal after
having provided notice to effected properiy owners and where all interested persons were given an
opportunity to be heard and submitted its recommendation to the Planning Commission, and
10 WHEREAS, the Planning Commission, by its Resolution No. 03-08, dated January 24, 2003, decided to deny
11 the appeal based upon the following findings and conclusions:
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On October 28, 2002, Clear Channel Outdoor applied for sign permits for both 1670-
1680 White Bear Avenue (all four sign faces) and 1278 Grand Avenue (a single sign
face) to replace the sign faces, trim, and stringers on the rooftop billboards.
2. On November 21, 2002, Jeff Fischbach of the LIEP staff issued a permit for each of the
two applications. The White Beaz Avenue permit was subject to the following
conditions, which are written on the permit: "Height ofsign faces must not be
increased The sign structures have only wooden stringers. All repair materials must be
of the same type as the original materials, no addition or substitution of materials
allowed. The only structural work authorized is the replacement of the wooden stringers.
No other structural work permitted. No electrical work proposed or authorized. Any
electrical work would require the billboard owner to obtain a separate electrical
permit. "
The Grand Ave. permit was subject to the following conditions, which are written on the
permit: "Height of sign face must not be increased. Only structural work authorized is
the replacement of inetal stringers. No other structural work proposed. "
Clear Channel crews worked at both sites and replaced the sign faces, trim and stringers.
On December 20, 2002, the District 2 Community Council, the Macalester Groveland
Community Council, and Scenic Saint Paul appealed the issuance of the sign permits by
LIEP on the grounds that: (a) The permits were contrary to provisions of the zoning code,
including but not limited to section 66302 and the prohibitions against replacement of
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66.21693(e)(1)(e)]; (b) repairs were made prior to the issuance of the pernuts; c) repairs
were made beyond what was authorized by the permits; and (d) the billboards are illegal
land uses.
The Planuiug Commission's responses to these claims aze given in findings 4 through 8
below.
4. The appellants claim that the pemuts are contrary to section 66302 of the zoning code,
which states that advertising signs to be replaced, relocated or renovated must be on
zoning lots where advertising signs are a permitted use. CiTy staff have followed a policy
that replacement of old, but undamaged sign faces is a maintenance activity as permitted
by state statute, not a replacement or renovation of the advertising sign.
Section 66302 of the code refers primarily to the previous "Move to Conforxnance"
program with sign credits for the relocation of billboards, a program which was
eliminated in 2000 when the most recent billboud amendments were adopted. Although
the "Move to Conformance" program is dead, there is a plausible argument that the
replacement of a sign face is the same thing as replacement or renovarion of an
advertising sign. The city staff argued that sign face replacement is different from
advertising sign replacement because:
(a) billboard companies haue for decades done sign face replacements every ten years or
so as a routine maintenance activity; and (b) the cost of the sign face panels and the
surrounding fiberglass trim kits are cheap (approxunately $800) in comparison with the
sign structure (bed pan secured to building rooftop, angle A-frames with bracing,
electrical service, catwalk, stringers). The city staff do treat sign face replacement as
renovation, which is prohibited under this secfion, when a sign face has been damaged
beyond fifty percent of its replacement cost. This treatment is in accordance with the
Ramsey County district court decision about storm-damaged signs on Grand Avenue.
The city stafP s position is that sign face replacement is permitted as a routine
maintenance activity, but it is not permitted in the case of a badly damaged sign face.
While this may appeaz inconsistent, it has a logic based on the agent causing the damage.
The state statute on nonconforming uses refers to destruction "by fire or other peril." In
the case of fire or wind damage, the nonconforming use cannot be replaced. But the City
does not want itself to be the cause of deterioration through preventing routine
maintenance since the state statute explicitly permits the maintenance of nonconforming
uses.
5. The appellants claim that the billboard repair permits violate the Crreater East Side and
Macalester Groveland Special Sign District regulations, most obviously with regard to the
replacement of the old stringers— 2 X 6 wood stringers on White Bear Ave. and angle-iron
stringers on Grand Ave. because stringers are structural elements of billboards. In their
testimony Clear Channel asserted the rights they hold to repair and maintain their signs under
MN statutes 462.357 on nonconformities. In issuing the permits, LIEP, after due consideration,
determined that the work requested in the company's applications was within the parameters set
by state law and local ordinances.
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6. The appellants claim that some repairs were made to the billboards before the repair
permits were issued. In the Crrand Ave. case, the appellants say that the old face panel
was curled upwazd from the bottom and was tacked back down to a wood siringer that
was added to the structure last sui7uner. Although such temporary repairs were made by
Clear Channel, the unauthorized repair was entirely removed as part of the sign face
replacement done under the LIEP pernut that is the subject of this appeal.
There is no claun that work was done at the White Bear Ave. signs before the building
pernut was issued.
The appellants claim that Clear Channel made repairs tUat went faz beyond what the pernvts
allowed. Far all five sign faces in this case, a new face panel system was used that is different
from the old system in the following ways:
a. The interlocking sign face panels are horizontal instead of vertical as they have
been in the past;
b. The new face panels are clipped to each other and aze secured by top-to-bottom
vertical sprits made of galvanized steel. Before, there were no vertical sprits.
The previous sign face panels were attached directly to the horizontal wood ar
angle iron stringers by metal clips.
c. The vertical metal sprits are secured by bolts to horizontal angle irons that look
like stringers, but that are, according to Clear Channel, components of the new
face replacements kits.
d. The new horizontal angle iron elements replaced the old angle iron stringers on
the Grand Ave. billboard. On the White Bear Ave. signs the new horizontal
angle irons appear functionally to replace the wood stringers, although wood
replacement stringers were also installed.
LIEP staff testified that they have not yet determined whether the new face panel system
is consistent with the nxles for repair and maintenance of nonconforming signs.
The appeal claims that the billboards are illegal. The White Bear Ave. billboazds were
erected legally under two building pernuts, the most recent of which was issued on
2/24/75. City staff presumes that the Grand Ave. billboard is also legal, although staff
haue not found a building permit. Clear Channel testified that they have building
permits far the Grand Ave. billboard. The appellants in this case submitted no evidence
that the signs at either location are illegal.
Since the adoption of the new billboard regulations in 2000, a11 billboards in the city have
become nonconforming uses. But almost all of the billboards in the city are legal
nonconforming uses that were either built with building permits or were grandfathered by
virtue of hauing been built before 1956. Old building permits at LIEP are stored in
chronological order, not by address, or by applicant, or by type of construction. Therefore, the
City staff have difficulty retrieving old building permits.
132 WHEREAS, pursuant to the provisions of Leg. Code § 64.300(k), the District 2 Community Council duly
133 filed an appeal from the determination made by the Planning Commission regarding the billboard at 1670-
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134 1680 White Bear Ave. (Zoning File #03-255-970) and requested a hearing before the City Council for the
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140 WIIEREAS, the Mazch 5, 2003, public hearing was laid over to March 26, 2003; and
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WHEREAS, having heard the statements made, and having considered the application, the report of staff, the
record, minutes and resolution of the Zoning Committee and of the Planning Commission, the Council of the
City of Saint Paul does hereby
RESOLVE, to reverse the decision of the Planning Commission in this matter based upon the following:
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153 The Planning Commission misinterpreted the restrictions in the District 2 sign plan regazding repairs to
154 advertising signs and the extent of the repairs were not permitted under the District 2 sign plan; and be it
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156 FURTHER RESOLVED that the appeal of the District 2 Community Council be and is hereby granted; and
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159 FINALLY RESOLVED that the City Clerk shall mail a copy of this resolution to the District 2 Community
Council, Clear Channel Outdoor Inc., the zoning administrator and the Planning Commission.
Adoption Certified
By:
Approved by May
BY:
Council Secretary
Requested by Department of:
Plannin & Economic D e m� t
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Approved by Financial Services
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Form Approved by City Attorney
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Must Be on Council Agenda by (Date): Number Z ttorne Warner
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Total # of Signature Pages 1 (Clip All Locations for Signature)
Action Requested:
Adoption of resolution memorializing the CouncIl's decision on a billboazd appeal at 1670-1680 White Beaz Ave. (SE comer at
Lazpenter). After two or three layovers at CouncIl due to a procedural lawsuit by Cleaz Channel Outdoor, the Council concluded its
public hearing on 4/23/03 and voted to grant the appeal of the Dishict 2 Community Council, thus reversing the Planning
CoCnmission'S deCision that approved Clear Channel's repair permit application to replace the sign fac�and stringers
Recommendations: Approve (A) or Reject (R): Personal Service Contrects Must Answer the Following Questions:
�_ Planning Commission �� 1. Has this personlfirm ever worked under a contrect for this department?
CIB Committee � Yes No
Civil Service Commission 2. Has this person/firm ever been a city employee?
Yes No
3. Does this person/firm possess a skill not normally possessed by any
current city employee?
Yes No
Explain all yes answers on separete sheet and attach to green sheet
Initiating Problem, Issues, Opportunity (Who, What, When, Where, Why):
Cieaz Channel applied to replace the sign faces and stringers on four rooftop billboards at 1670-1680 White Beaz Ave. LIEP issued the
repair permit, consistent with their understanding of state law. The District 2 Community Council and other appealed. The Planning
Commission upheld LIEP's issuance ofthe permit. District 2 then appealed to the City Council. The Council voted 5-2 (Blakey, Reiter)
to c-- n t the neighborhood's appeal and rescind the billboazd repair permit. Now the resoluUon'-is reaay for tne Council to
memorialize.its decision.
Advanta9eslfApproved:
The decision the Council made is reduced to writing.
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DisadvantapeslfApproved:
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Disadvantailes If Not Approved:
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DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING
& ECONOMIC DEVELOPMEI��T'
Martha G. Fuller, Director
CTTY OF SAIN'T PAUL
RandyC.iCelZy, Mayor
25 Wesl Fourth Street
Sa(ni Pau1, MU 55102
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February 19 2003
Ms. Nancy Anderson
City Council Research Office
Room 310 City Hall
Samt Paul, Mmnesota 55102
Dear Ms. Ande*son:
I would like to confirm that a public hearing before the City Council is scheduled for Wednesday,
March 5, 2003, for an appeal of a Planning Commission decision to uphold a billboard repair •
permit at the Hillcrest Shopping Center at 1680 White Bear Avenue
Applacant District 2 Communiry Council
File Number. #t 03-255-970
Pumose. Appeal of Planning Commission decision to uphold a billboard repair permit'
issued by LIEP and deny the request of two district councils to revoke the
repair permit for replacement of sign face panels and stringers on four rooftop
billboards.
Address: 1680 Wlute Bear Avenue (SE comer of Larpenteur)
LeQal Descrintion of Propert� Hillcrest Center sub� to Ave; W'/z of Vac Gary Place accruing & N
85 ft of lot 1 block 4(LIEP billboard ief # 267; PIN - 23-29-22-22-0121)
Previous Action:
Zonin� Committee Recommendation: Deny appeal by the District 2 Community Council and
the 1Vlacalester-Groveland Community Council (co-appellants) and uphold billboard repair
permit that LIEP had issued; vote: 3-2; January 16, 2003. (As part ofthe same zoning case,
the committee also recommended denying the co-appellants' appeal regarding repair of
another billboard, located at 1278 Grand Ave. in the Macalester-Groveland neighborhood )
PlanninQ Commission Decision: Deny appeal by the District 2 Community Council and the
Macalester-Groveland Community Council (co-appellants) and uphold billboar.d repair permit
that LIEP had issued; vote: 7-5; January 24, 2003. (The commission also, as part of the same
zoning case, denied the co-appellants' appeal regarding repair of another billboard, located at
1278 Grand Ave. in the Macalester-Crroveland neighborhood. The commission's Grand
Avenue decision is being appealed separately to the City Council )
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Ms Nancy Anderson
Zoning File: #03
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My understanding is that this public hearing request will appear on the agenda for the
March 5, 2003 City Council meeting. Please call me at 266-6575 if you have any questions.
Sincerely,
Lazry S rholm
Planning Administrator
cc: File #03-255-970
Carol Martineau
Paul Dubruiel
Wendy Lane
JeffFischbach
Allan Torstenson
Peter Warner
, NO'F'ICE OF PUSLIC HEARINC� .
The Saint Paut City Council will con-
--duct a public hearing on Wedneaday,
March 5, 2003, 5:30 �p.m. in the City
Council Chambers, Third Floor, City
Hall-Courthouse, P5 "West Kellogg
Boulevazd, Saint Paul, MN, to consider �
the appeal of District 2 Community
Council to a decision of the Saint Paul
Planning�Qommission upholding a biA-
board repair pesmit issued by the Office
of License, �Inspections and Environmen-
tal Protection and denying the request of
�two district councils to revoke Ehe repa'tr "
permit for replacement of sign -face
� panels and stringers on four rooftop bill-
boards at 1650 White Bear Avenue (SE
corner oP Larpenteur Avenue).
Dated: February 21, 2003 �
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& ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT
Maz[ha Fuller, Dfrector
CTI'Y OF SAINT PAUL
Randy C. Ke1[y, Mayor
February 26, 2003
Ms Nancy Anderson
Secretary to the City Council
Room 310 City Hall
Saint Paul, MN 55102
RE. Zoning File # 03-255-970:
25 WesiFour[h Sbeet
Samt Pass1, MN 55102
DISTRICT 2 CONLNiLJNITY COLJNCIL
TeZephone: 6� I -2666655
Facsrmile 651-228-33/4
City Council Hearing.
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March 5, 2003 at 530 p.m., City Council Chambers
PURPOSE: Appeal of the Planning Commission's decision to let stand a billboard repair permit
issued by LIEP for replacement of the sign face panels and stringers on four
billboards at 1670 White Bear'Avenue. The District 2 Community Council claims
that the Planning Commission erred in deciding that replacement of entire billboard
faces is a form of maintenance that is protected by state law even though it is
contrary to the Greater East Side sign regulations.
LOCATION: 1670 White Bear Avenue. Rooftop billboards on Hillcrest Shopping Center.
Southeast corner of White Bear and Larpenteur.
LIEP' S ACTION: Issued billboard repair pernut for replacement of four sign faces and the
wood stringers behind them on 11/21/02.
PLANNING CONIMISSION ACTION: On 1/24/03, denied appeal filed jointly by the District 2
Community Council, the Macalester-Groveland Community Council (which
objected to a similar billboard repair at 1278 Grand Ave ), and Scenic Saint Paul.
Vote 7-5.
ZONING COMNIITTEE RECOMIVIENDATION: On 1/16/03, recommended denial ofthe
appeal by the community organizations on a 3-2 vote.
PED STAFF RECOMIvIENDATION Denv appeal and uphold LIEP on issuance of sign face
replacement pernut; grant appeal and reverse LIEP on replacement of stringers;
r�ant appeal regarding structural upgrades to sign faces and require sign face
replacements to be done without upgrades in design or materials.
SUPPORT FOR APPEAL BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD ORGANIZATIONS. Four persons
spoke representing the appellants.
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City Council Secretary
February 26, 2003
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OPPOSTTION TO APPEAL BY TI� NEIGHBORHOOD ORGANIZATIONS: Two persons
spoke representing of Clear Channel Outdoor.
Dear Ms_ Anderson:
The District 2 Community Council has appealed a decision by the Planning Commission to uphold
a billboard repair pernut issued by LIEP for the replacement of four sign faces and the stringers
behind them at the Hillcrest Shopping Center LIEP's permit was appealed to the Planning
Commission by District 2, Macalester-Crroveland, and Scenic Saint Paul. Among billboard cases
you have heazd, this one is most similaz to the Merriam Park Community CounciPs appeal of a
permit for sign face replacement and stringers at 1926 University Avenue. In that case the
Council invalidated the repair permit and decided that sign face replacement constituted a
renovation of a nonconforming advertising sign, which is prohibited by citywide zoning
regulations.
• Macalester-Groveland was involved because the appeal to the Planning Commission also covered
a sign face replacement pezmit issued on the same day for 1278 Grand Avenue. At the Zoning
Committee, Cleaz Channel objected to having two separate permits at two different locations as
the subject for one appeal, although the basis for the appeal and the code language at issue were
identical. Therefore, District 2 and Macalester-Groveland have this time submitted separate
companion appeals to the City Council, which will both be heard on March 5, 2003.
After consultation with the City Attorney's Office, LIEP issued the repair permit on 11/21/03,
which was before the City Council decided in the Raymond Avenue billboard repair case that the
prohibition in special sign districts against replacement of structural elements should be
interpreted strictly, a decision that would relate to the replacement of stringers. Both LIEP's
permit and the Planning Commission's decision also preceded the Council's University Avenue
decision mentioned above, a decision that would relate to the replacement of sign faces.
The Zoning Committee held a public hearing on 1/16/03 and received testimony from four
representatives of the three co-appellant organizations and from two representatives of Clear
Channel. The committee voted 3-Z in favor ofupholding LIEP's issuance the permit. They did
not reach a conclusion about whether the new construction system for sign faces was a violation;
instead they simply advised LIEP to make that deternunation and, if there was a violation, to
enforce conditions listed on the pernut strictly. The Planning Commission's resolution ratified the
committee recommendation on a vote of 7-5.
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February 26, 2003
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The District 2 Community Council claims in its appeal that the Planning Commission ened by
deciding that the replacement of entire sign faces is routine maintenance that is pemutted by the
state law's protection for legal nonconfomung uses. They argue that upgrading nonconfornung
signs is inconsistent with the White Beaz Avenue sign district ordinances.
Clear Channel Outdoor contends that, under state law for nonconfornung uses, the City must
pernut any repairs that cost less than fifty percent of the value of the signs. They submitted
evidence that sign face panels are inexpensive in relation to the replacement costs of the signs.
The District 2 appeal is scheduled to be heard by the City Council on March 5, 2003. The
companion appeal by the Macalester-Groveland Community Council is scheduled on the same
agenda. Please call me (266-6575) ifyou have questions
Sincerely,
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Planning Administrator
Attachments
cc: City Council members
Dennis Flaherty, Deputy Mayor
Chris McCarver, Clear Channel Outdoor, Inc.
Marvin Liszt, Atty.for Clear Channel
Chuck Repke, District 2 Community Council
Laura Gutmann, Macalester-Groveland Community Council
Jeannie Weigum, Scenic Saint Paul
Brian Bates, Scenic Saint Paul and Scenic MN
Martha Fuller, PED
A1 Torstenson, PED
Peter Warner, Asst City Attorney
Wendy Lane, LIEP
JeffFischbach, LIEP
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L Appeal by District 2 Community Council �
II. Planning Commission resolution # 03-08 Z��j
III. Pla.suiiiig Commission minutes for 1/24/03 �p� �
IV Minutes of Zoning Committee public hearing on 1/16/03 '� ��°�
V. Written testimony submitted at Zoning Cte. public hearing '� ���
VI. PED stafFreport written 1/9/03 for Zoning Cte. with photos and mapsyg.i ���
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APPLICATION FOR QPPEAL
'�j� Depanment of P[anning and Ecenomic Development
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II00 Ciry Hall Annex
25 West Fourth Street
Saint Paul, MN SSIO2
166-6589
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TYPE OF APPEAL: Appiication is hereby made for an appeai to the:
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under the provisions of Chapter 64, Secfion c�, Paragraph e of the Zoning Code, to
appeal a decision made by the i'��"^f°^�� ��w�,ess�a�v
on .T/�N � `- f , 19 File number. �d 2 -Z�f �- ° l3�
(date of decision)
GROUNDS FOR APPEAL: Explain why you feei there has been an error in any requirement,
permit, decision or refusal made by an administrative official, or an error in fact, procedure or
finding made by the Board of Zonina Apoeals or the Planning Gemmissior..
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WHEREAS, three co-appellants--fhe District 2 Community Councii, the Macalester-Groveland
Community Council, and Scenic Saint Paul--under File #02-247-939 have appealed two sign
permifs issued by the Office of License, Inspections and Environmental Profection (LIEP) to
replace existing biliboard sign faces arid trim with new sign faces and trim and also to replace
the horizontaf stringers. that support the sign faces, under the provisions of §66.408(a); 66.101;
66.2169.3(e)(1); 66.2169.5(e)(1); 66.301; and 66.302 of the Sainf Paul Legislative Code, on two
differenf properties with the following addresses, legal descriptions, and billboard reference
numbers:
1670 Whife Bear Ave, SE corner at Larpenteur Ave. (PIN 23-29-22-22-0121) Hilicrest
Center subj. to Ave; W'/z of Vac Gary Place accruing & N 85 ft of lot 1 block 4(LIEP
biliboard �ef. # 267)
1278 Grand Ave., SE corner at Syndicate St.(PIN 03-28-23-42-0048) Stinson's Blvd, Block
4, Lot 12 (LIEP biliboard ref. # 343)
WHEREAS, the Planning and Economic Development (PED) staff accepted the appeal with two
. separate locations because the two permits were issued for the same billboard repair work, the
permits were issued the same day, the applicable code requirements were identical in the two
neighborhood special sign districts, and the grounds for appeal were the same at both
locations; the Planning Commission questioned the propriety of handling two locations as a
single case but proceeded with it because the pub(ic hearing had been advertised as a single
case and several previous zoning appeals have dealt with billboards at mulfiple locations;
WHEREAS, the Zoning Committee of the Planning Commission, on January 16, 2Q03, held a
public hearing at which all persons present were given an opportunity to be heard pursuant to
said application in accordance with the requirements of §64.300 of the Saint Paul Legisiative
Code; and
WHEREAS, the_Saint Paul Planning Commission, based on the evidence presented to its
Zoning Committee at the public hearing as substantially reflected in the minutes, made the
foilowing findings of fact:
moved by Field
seconded by
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ag ains� 5(iohn on ramer ponnelly-Cohen, Faricy, Sordon)
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On October 28, 2002, Clear Channel Outdoor applied for sign permits for both 1670
White Bear Ave. (all four sign faces) and 1278 Grand Ave. (a singie sign face) to
replace the sign faces, trim, and stringers on the rooftop billboards.
2. On November 21, 2002, Jeff Fischbach of the LIEP staff issued a permit for each of the
fwo applicaTions. The White Bear Ave. permit was subject fo the following conditions,
which are written on the permit: `Height of sign faces must nof be increased. The sign
sfrucfures have only wooden stringers. All repair maferials must be of the same type as
fhe original materials, no addifion or substitution of maferials allowed. The only
sfrucfural work authorized rs the replacement of fhe wooden stringers. No other
strucfural work permitted. No elecfrical work proposed or authorized. Any electrical
work would require the billboard owner fo obfain a separate electrical permit."
The Grand Ave. permit was subject to the following conditions, which are written on the
permit: "Height of sign face musf not be increased. Only sfructura! work aufhorized is
fhe replacemenf of the meta! stringers. No other structural work proposed."
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Clear Channel crews worked at both sites and replaced the sign faces, trim, and
stringers. . �
On December 20, 2002, the District 2 Community Council, the Macalester-Groveland
Community Council, and Scenic Saint Paul appealed the issuance oP the sign permits by
LIEP on the grounds that: (a) The permits were contrary to provisions of the zoning
code, inc�uding but not limited to section 66.302 and fhe prohibitions against
replacement of structural elements in the Greater East Side Special Sign District
[section 66.2169.5(e)(1)(e)] and Macalester Groveland Special SigFl District [section
66.2169.3(e)(1)(e)]; (b) repairs were made prior to the issuance of the permits; (c)
repairs were made beyond what was authorized by the permits; and (d) the billboards
are illega! land uses.
The Planning Commission's responses to these claims are given in findings 4 through 8
below. .
4. The appellants claim that the permits are contrary to section 66.302 of the zoning code,
which stafes that aiivertising signs to be replaced, relocated or renovated must be on
zoning lots where advertising signs are a permifted use. City staff have foliowed a
policy that replacement of old, but undamaged sign faces is a maintenance activify as
permitted by state statute, not a replacement or renovation of the advertising sign.
Section 66.302 of the code refers primarily to the previous "Move to Conformar�ce"
program with sign credits for the relocation of billboards, a program which was
eliminated in 2000 when the most recenf bifiboard amendments were adopted.
Although the "Move to Conformance" program is dead, thera is a plauslble argument
that the replacement of a sign face is the same thing as replacement or renovation of an •
advertising sign. The city staff argued that sign face replacement is different from
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advertising sign rep/acement because: (a) billboard companies have for decades done
sign face replacements every ten years or so as a routine maintenance activity; and (b)
the cost of the sign face panels and the surrounding fiberglass trim kits are cheap
(approximately $800) in comparison with the sign structure (bed pan secured to building
rooftop, angle iron A-frames with bracing, electrical service, catwalk, stringers). The city
staff do treat sign face replacement as renovafion, which is prohibited under this
section, when a sign face has been damaged beyonii fifty percent of its replacement
cost. This treatment is in accordance with the Ramsey County disfrict court decision
about storm-damaged signs on Grand Avenue.
The city staff's position is that sign face replacement is permitfed as a routine
maintenance activity, but it is not permitted in the case of a badly damaged sign face.
While this may appear inconsistent, it has a logic based on the agent causing the
damage. The state statute on nonconforming uses refers to destructio� "by fire or other
peril". In the case of fire or wind damage, the nonconforming use cannot be replaced.
But the City does not want itself to be the cause of deterioration through preventing
routine maintenance since the state statute expiicitly permits the maintenance of
nonconforming uses.
� 5. The appeilants claim that the bi{lboard repair permits vioiate the Greater East Side and
Macalester Groveland Special Sign District regulations, most obviously with regard to
the replacement of the old stringers--2 X 6 wood stringers on White Bear Ave. and
angle-iron stringers on Grand Ave. because stringers are structural elements of
billboards. In their testimony Ciear Channel asserted the rights they hold to repair and
maintain their signs under MN statutes 462.357 on nonconformities. In issuing the
permits, LIEP, after due consideration, determined that the work requested in the
compariy's applications was within the parameters set by state law and local ordinances.
The appellants claim that some repairs were made to the billbaards before the repair
permits were issued. In the Grand Ave. case, the appellants say that the old face panel
was curled upward from the bottom and was tacked back down to a wood stringer that
was added to the structure last summer. Although such temporary repairs were made
by Clear Channel, the unauthorized repair was entirely removed as part of the sign face
replacement done under the LIEP permit that is the subject of this appeal.
There is no claim.that work was done at the White Bear Ave. signs before the building
permit was issued.
7. The appellants claim that Clear Channel made repairs that went beyond what the
permits allowed. For all five sign faces in this case, a new face panel system was used
that is different from the old sysfem in the following ways:
a) The interlocking sign face panels are horizontal instead of verticai as they have
• been in the past;
b) The new face panels are clipped to each other and are. secured by top-to-bottom
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vertical sprits made of galvanized steel. Before; there were no vertical sprits. The
previous sign face panels were attached direct(y to fhe horizontal wood or angle
iron stringers by metal clips.
c) The vertical metal sprits are secured by bolts to horizontal angle irons that look like
stringers, but that are, accord'ing to Clear Channel, components of the new face
replacement kits.
d) The new horizontal angle iron elements replaced the old angie iron stringers on the
Grand Ave. billb9ard. On the White Bear Ave. signs the new horizontai angle irons
appear functionally to replace the wood sYringers, aithough wocd replacement
stringers were also instailed.
LIEP staff testified that they have not yet determined whether fhe new face panel
system is consistent with the rules for repair and mainfenance of nonconforming signs.
8. The appeal claims that the biilboards are illegal. The White Bear Ave. biliboards were
erected tegai(y under two buifding permits, the mosf recent of wfiich was issued on
2/24/75. City staff presumes that the Grand Ave. billboard is also legal, although staff
haue not found a building permit. Clear Channel testified that they have buifding
permits for the Grand Ave. biilboard. The appellants in this case submitted no
evidence that the signs at either location are illegal.
Since the adoption of the new biHboard regulations in 2000, ati biflboards in the city
have become nonconforming uses. But almost all of the billboards in the city are legal
nonconforming uses that were either built with building permits or were grandfathered
by virtue of having been built before 1956, Oid buifding permits at LIEP are stored in
chronological order, not by address, or by applicant, or by type of construction.
Therefore, the City staff have difficufty retrieving old buiiding permits.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESO�VED, by the Saint Paul Planning Commission, based on
findings 1 through 5 and 8, under the authority of the City's Legislative Code, that the appeai by
the District 2 Commuhity Councif, the Macalester-Groveland Community Councii, and Scenic
Saint Paul of two sign permifs issued by the Office of License, Inspections and Environmental
Protection (LIEP) to replace existing billboard sign faces and trim with new sign faces and trim
and also to replace horizontal stringers at two properties at 1670 White Bear Ave. and 1278
Grand Ave., which are Iegally described above, is hereby denied because: (a) the biAboards
are Cegal nonconforming uses; and (b) routine replacement of sign faces is consistent with state
law for nonconforming uses and with LIEP's long-standing policy; and
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, thaf the Planning Commission, based on finciing 7, takes no
position on the question of whether work was done that exeeded what the permits authorized
and sees fhaY as an enforcemenf issue rather than a cause for revocation of the permit; fhe
Planning Commission, as an advisory body, recommends that LIEP enforce the conditions of
billboard repair permits strictly if LIEP finds any work that is nof in compliance.
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City Hall Conference Center
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Minutes of January 24, 2003
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A meeting of the Pl annina Commission of the City of Saint Paul was held Friday, January 24, 2003,
at 8:30 a.m. in the Conference Center of City Hall.
Commissioners Mmes. Donnelly-Cohen, Faricy, and Morton; and
Present: Messrs. Alexander, Alton, Anfaug, Dandrea, Field, Fotsch, Gordon, Johnson, and
Kramer.
Commissioners
Absent:
Mmes. *Zimmer Lonetti, *McCall, * Shortridge, and *Trevino; and Messrs.
*Gervais, *Kong, *Mardell, *Mejia, and Rosales.
*Excused
Also Present: Larry Soderholm, Planning Administrator; Allan Torstenson, Rich Malloy,
Patricia James, Yang Zhang, Marcus Martin (PED Intern), and Carol Martineau,
Department of Pla.nniug and Economic Development staff; and Wendy Lane and Jeff
Fishbach of LIEP.
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Approval of Minutes of January 10, 2003
M01TON: Commissioner Fotsch moved approval of the minutes of January Z0, 2003.
Commissioner ponnelly-Cohen seconded the motion. The motion carried unanimously on a
voice vote.
Chair's Announcements
Chair Morton reminded ffie commissioners of the Fifrh Friday Retreat on Friday, January 31,
2003. The guest speaker will be Mary Lethert Wingerd, author of Claiming the Ciry. The
book is a history of Saint Paul from its earliest days through the 1930s.
Chair Morton thanked Commissioner Alton for his witry letter in xesponse to Mr. Darling's
opinion piece in the Star Tribune.
Planning Administrator's Announcements
Mr. Larry Soderholm passed around a sign-up sheet for the Fifth Friday Retreat
He reported that it is appointments time and the Mayor's o�ce is looking for candidates for the
Planning Commission until February 14`�. The application is available on the City's web site.
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Commissioner Field agreed that the motion was just to get an opinion from the ciry attorney as
respect certain things and Commissioner Fotsch makes a reasonable request.
Commissioner Alton stated that with regazd to the facts the Plaimuig Commission should have the
minutes of the Zoning Committee meeting and copies of the eachibits wluch were entered into
evidence at that committez meeting. 'I'hat is the extent of the additional information they should
l�ave. Any other testimony or statement made by staff would be additional facts. We have to use
the photographs and evidence that was used at the comnuttee meeting and norhing further.
Motion carried on a unanimous vote
�#02-247-939 District 2 Communi Councih Macalester Groveland Communi Council•
Scenic St. Paul - Appeal of the issuance of billboard permits issued by the City's Office of License,
Inspections, and Environmental Protecrion (LIEP) to Clear Channel Outdoor, Inc. for the repair of
roo8op billboards in two different neighbonc�ods—one at 1670 Wt�te Bear Ave. aud the other at
I278 Grand Ave. The appeai was fiied joindy by the Dishict 2 Community Council and the
Macalester-Groveland Community Council. Their appeal claims that replacing billboazd faces is
contrary to their neighborhood sign ordinances and, moreover, that Cleaz Cbannel made structural
upgrades that were not allowed under the pemnts that LIEP issued. (Lcrrry Soderholm, 651/266-
6575)
Commissioner Field stated Districts 2 and 14 aze co-appeliants in this case. Four persons spoke for
the co-appellants. Two persons spoke for Clear Channel. Hearing was closed. The motion is to
deny the appeal and refer the enforcement question to LIEP on a vote of 3-2 (Kramer, Faricy)
Commissioner Kramer stated this billboazd case is sunilaz to a case of a few weeks ago on
University Ave. in Merriam Park where a sign face was replaced and appazently upgraded. Cleaz
Channel got pernuts for face replacements and stringer replacements for all four billboards at White
Bear and Lazpenteur and for one on Grand Ave. The company came in and under the pemuts for
face replacements they totally rebuilt not only the faces but also the pieces that hold the face onto
the angle iron structures. They claimed at the Zoning Committee that standardized face replacement
kits include not only what we call the face panels, but also the metai "sprits" that connect the new
horizontal style of face panels together and the horizontal angle irons, which appeaz to be
horizontai stringers. This is another case where the life of the non-conforming use is being grea$y
etrtended by a total rebuild of most of the billboazd. If you accept the argument thzx the pieces thaz
hold the face together aze part of the £ace and the pieces that hold the face to the upright structure
aze also part of the face, then, carried to the logical extreme, you could make the argument that the
building is part of the face, too.
Commissioner Field stated that the mohon from the Zoning Committee provides that LIEP will
deternune whether or not the work done by Cleaz Channel exceeded wi�at the pemuts allowed and
that the Planning Commission expects LIEP to enforce the conditions of the pemnts. At the Zoning
Committee meeting the LIEP staff was not able to answer the committee's questions about whether
the work exceeded the permit.
Commissioner Faricy supported Commissioner Krarner. She noted the only structural work
authorized under the pemuts was replacement stringers, which were wood on the White Bear
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billboards and angle iron on the Grand Ave. one. All repau materials, according to the permits,
• were to have been of the same type and materials as the original; no addition or substitution of
materials was allowed.
Commissioner Alexander asked aboutthe structuralintegrity ofbillboards. With v-shaped
billboazds, if you take away one of the signs or sign faces, does this make the structure weaker or
unworkable? What happens if the City wants to dictate specifications to a sign company that
certain parts cannot be used, but in the company's best judgment, the prohibited parts aze needed to
maintain the structural integrity of the sign? Does the City staff have the expertise to make these
types of judgement7
Ms. Lane stated that LIEP has a structural engineer on staff and that whenever LIEP has a pemut
application that comes in where there aze questions about the physical integrity of any kind of a
structure they l�ave the engineer review those plans and possibiy consult with the engmeer for the
applicant. Once construction has been completed, then the building inspector is one who follows up
to make sure that the construction was done properly. If there were questions at that point, the
structural engineer would be brought out to the site to answer them.
Commissioner Anfang stated that the argument about whether conditions on these pernuts were
exceeded is really about how "sign face" is interpreted. If the sign company just tacked those sign
panels together with angle irons, which were then bolted onto the stringers there would be no
problem.
Commissioner Field stated LIEP is responsible for enforcement issues, not the PIanning
• Commission. Fundamentally the committee's motion denies the claim by the district councils that
sign face replacement permits aze contrary to the Zoning Code. The committee then went on to
advise LIEP go up there on these rooftops and detemune if, in fact, the work that was done violates
the conditrons of the permit.
Commission Kramer stated that the appeal basically challenged LIEP's decision that complete sigi
face replacement is pernutted under the code and then went on to challenge that, even if LIEP is
found to have been right in issuing the permits, the quality of the face replacements is an illegal
upgrade to extend the life of these nonconforming uses. The appeal asks the commission to find that
the replacement of those enrire face panels is a renovation of a billboard, not just a repair and not
just maintenance. Renovation of nonconforming advertising signs is not permitted by the code.
Then there is the issue of upgrading. The appeal says that the "Cadillad' face sign kits were not
what LIEP meant to approve or had the power to approve.
Comxnissioner Alton stated that the LIEP staff detemuned that it was appropriate to grant the sign
face replacement permits. The PED staff recommended denial of the appeal because sign face
replacement is a form of routine maintenance. It is appropriate for the Plaznung Commission to
deny the appeal. It's not appropriate to grant an appeal on the grounds that the work that was done
exceeded the pemut because that can be corrected through enforcement.
Chair Morton closed the debate and asked for the vote.
ROLL CALL VOTE: The motion to deny the appeaL passed on a vote of 7-5 (Johnson,
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Comprehensive Planning Committee
Commissioner Gordon reported the next Comprehensive Planning Committee meeting will be
Tuesday, January 28, 4:00-5:30 p.m. where they will discuss the Downtown Plan and tax
exempt properties.
Neighborhood and Current Planning Committee
Bridgecreek Senior Housing Redevelopment Plan - adopt resolution.
(Patr James, 651/266-6639)
MOTION: Commissioner Faricy moved approval of the $ridgecreek Senior Housing
Redevelopment PZ¢n. The motion carried unanimously on a voice vote.
Communications Committee
Commissioner ponnelly-Cohen reported the next meeting of the Communications Committee
will be Friday, January 31, 20�3, where they will discuss the annual report and
recommendations for cable tv projects for next year.
VIII. Task Force Reports
Commissioner Anfang reported the Universiry Avenue Transit Oriented Study (TOD) second
draft was released last week.
Mr. Soderholm reported that the District 16 Summit Hill Association is updating their district
plan. He stated that tomorrow morning there will be a visioning workshop that will take place
at the Saint Paul College Club.
IX. Old Business
None.
X. New Business
Chair Morton appointed the nominating committee: Commissioners Faricy, Kramer, and Field.
The committee will contact all the commissioners to make sure that everyone has an opportuniry
to indicate their level of interest in serving. The election will take place at the Annual Meeting
on Febmary 14, 2003. Ballots will be sent out with the regulaz packet for the meeting, but the
by-laws allow for additional nozninations to be made at tha meeting.
MOTION: Chair Monon moved on behalf of the Steering Committee to set the annual
meeling for February I4, 2003. The motion carried unanimously.
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Thursday, January 16, 2003 - 3:30 p.m.
• City Council Chambers, 3rd Floor
City Haii and Court House
15 West Kellogg Boulevard
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Gordon, Mejia, and Morton
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Carol Martineau, Larry Soderholm, and Peter Warner
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District 2 Community Council, Macalester Groveland Community Councii, Scenic
Minnesota, Z.F. # 02-247-939. Appeal of billboard permits issued by the City's Office of
License, Inspections, and Environmental Protection (LIEP) to Clear Channel Outdoor, Inc.
for the repair of rooftop billboards in two different neighborhoods—one at 1670 White
Bear Ave. and the other at 1278 Grand Ave. The appeal was filed jointly by the District 2
Community Council and the Macalester-Groveland Community Council. Their appeal
claims that replacing billboard faces is contrary to their neighborhood sign ordinances
and, moreover, that Clear Channel made structural upgrades that were not allowed under
the permits that LIEP issued. 1278 Grand Ave., SE comer at Syndicate; 1670 White Bear
Ave., SE corner at Larpenteur.
The meeting was chaired by Commissioner Field.
Larry Soderholm presented the staff repoR on the district councits' appeal with a
recommendation of denial in part; approval in part.
Chair Field wanted to know why the staff accepted this case as a single appeal, since the two
billboards are on opposite sides of town. Mr. Soderholm explained that the permits were
issued on the same day for sign face and stringer replacements, and the code language under
which the permits were challenged was identical in the two special sign districts. Some
previous billboard cases have involved multiple sites, and combining the sites meant less work
for the staff. There was discussion. The committee decided to proceed with one heari�g since
that was how the hearing had been advertised, but the committee reserved its prerogative to
make separate decisions depending on the facts surrounding each location. Mr. Soderholm
said that, based on the committee's preference, the staff would not in the future accept
applications for multiple sites where LIEP had taken separate actions on the sites.
At the question of Commissioner Kramer, Mr. Soderholm explained that this case raises some
of the same issues as the Merriam Park appeal last month at 1926 University Ave. about the
replacement of stringers and work exceeding the permit.
Commissioner Kramer questioned the legality of granting an appeal of something that was not
permitted by the permit, i.e., upgrading the billboard face structurally with the new method of
construction. Mr. Soderholm explained that the staff recommendation responds to each of the
stated bases for the appea{. The permits did not permit replacement of wood stringers with
angle iron stringers. ft is not clear whether the permit allowed the new structural system for the
sign faces and tFiat was also ambiguous in the Merriam Park case.
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At the question of Commissioner Faricy, Mr. Soderholm explained that the state law says that
owners of nonconforming property have a right to continue the use of their nonconforming
property including through maintenance and repair; however, if it is destroyed by more than 50
percent of its market value it has to become a conforming use. Municipalities have the
authority to adopt reasonable regulations for nonconforming uses to promote the public health,
safety, and welfare. This leaves a legal grey area for the City regarding billboard repairs.
Does the state law mean that any repair that is less than 50 percent of the market value of a
nonconforming structure is automatically permitted, which is the way Mr. Liszt reads the law; or
does it mean that local governments can enact reasonab�e limitations on the types and extent
of repairs so that nonconforming uses will not remain in place forever. In the Raymond Ave.
billboard repair case, the City Council decided by a five to two vote that the City's special sign
district ordinance prohibiting replacement of any structurat elements of nonconforming signs—
even low cost elements--is a reasonable regulation and is within the authority granted by state
law. The Raymond Ave. decision came after LIEP issued the permits in today's case, and the
Council's Raymond Ave. decision is why the staff is recommending that LIEP issued these
permits in error to the extent that the permits included repiacement of stringers.
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Chuck Repke, District 2 Community Council, testified about the White Bear Ave. site. District 2
representatives understood that the effect of the Greater East Side Special Sign District would
be to leave billboards intact and, as billboards in the neighborhood became antiquated, they
would eventualty have to be removed. These specific biliboards are at a lucrative location at •
the intersection of Larpenteur and White Bear and they woutd probably remain there for a long
time because the sign owners would keep them repaired by cannibalizing ofher signs for
replacements parts for these signs. When District 2 learned that LIEP approved a repair
permit, they assumed initially that a little maintenance wouid be done on the signs. But in fact,
the repair work consisted of a total replacement of the sign faces. They are now entirely
different signs which have horizontal instead of vertical face panels, angle iron stringers and
other new metal parts. Furthermore, alI the work was done during the night, on a Friday night.
He felt that the special sign district ailowed for a"1964 Chevy Impala" to be maintained until it
couldn't run, but now the company has switched the sign into a"2002 Cadillac". Under state
law biilboards are not even classified as real property; they are personal property. The City
should follow the special sign district regulations and allow only basic maintenance, not major
replacements.
Mary Wiimea, Macaiester Groveland Community Council, testified about the Grand Ave. site.
She commented that she has not previously been to a hearing on billboards but she now sees
that it is an arduous process to sunset billboards. She stated Ciear Channel started repairing
the billboard before the permit was issued and the appeal shouid be granted.
Brian Bates, representative of Maclaester Groveland Community Council, District 2, and
Scenic St. Paul, testified about both sites. He stated that there are several layers of applicable
law and therefore it is important to understand how they are supposed to be interpreted in
relation to one another. State Law 462.357 contains the provisions on alI nonconforming uses:
the one year abandonment rule; the 50 percent damage clause; and the power of
municipalities by ordinance to impose reasonable regulations on nonconformities to prevent �
and abate nuisances and to protect the public health, safety, and welfare. There are also the
pre-existing zoning ordinance sections: 66,301 and 66.302 that go back to the mid-1980's;
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66214 prohibits new advertising signs; and also special sign districts. Mr. Bates submitted a
paper on Rules of Statutory Construction for the record. He stated that, as a general rule, all
of the laws must be harmonized a�d none of the laws can be excluded unless there is a direct
and unavoidable conflict. He elaborated four points: (1) Every law shall be construed, if
possible, to give effect to all of its provisions, Minn.Stat. 645.16; (2) Whenever it is possible, no
word, phrase, or sentence should be deemed supertluous, void or insignificant; (3) It is
presumed the Legislature intended to favor the pubiic interest over the private interest,
Minn.Stat. 645.17(5); (4) Specific provisions of an act prevail over prior, generaf provisions,
Minn.Stat. 645.26(1). (See "Rules of Statutory Construction" in Results of January 16, 2003,
packet as mailed to the Planning Commission.)
Mr. Bates continued by challenging the City staff's interpretations. Section 66.302, which
prohibits renovation of adveRising signs, is dismissed by staff even though it is more specific
than 66.301, which applies to all types of signs. The Ramsey County district court held in a
storm-damaged sign case that face repiacement is a renovation. The staff interpretations
routinely favor the private interesis of bifiboard companies--in today's case a Texas
corporation--over the public interests of the city's neighborhoods. The staff only recently
agreed to notify neighborhoods when they issue biliboard repair permits. The only reason a
biliboard repair permit at the Green Mill building on Grand Ave. was not appealed a couple of
months ago was because the neighborhood didn't learn about the permit until after the 30-day
appeal period expired.
• At the question of Commissioner Anfang, Mr. Bates stated that the real estate industry would
acknowledge that there is a negative effect on property values when biliboards are present.
At the question of Commissioner Alton, Mr. Bates explained that Section 66.301 applies to alI
signs, whereas Section 66.302 appiies specifically to advertising signs. The Planning
Commission should first look at Section 66.302; if the repair is not a renovation, then the
Commission should look at Section 66.301. The zoning staff has reduced 66.302 to section
66.301. The renovation standard is being ignored. The only thing staff uses is the 50 percent
rule. Upon further questioning, Mr. Bates explained that the public interest has been
determined by the City Council in Section 66.214.
Laura Gutmann, community organizer with Macalester-Groveland, reiterated that the
Macalester-Groveland Community Council feels this is an important issue and they voted
unanimously to appeal LIEP's decision about the Grand Ave. site. The Macalester-Groveland
Special Sign District was adopted by City Council to provide sign controls. They aren't trying to
get rid of every billboard in Macalester-Groveland; they just want the sign controls to be used.
The Special Sign Plan for Macalester-Groveland states that no nonconforming sign shall be
maintained through replacement of structural elements. But the LIEP repair permit states that
the "only structural work authorized is the replacement of the metal stringers. This
contradiction is a concern of Macalester-Groveland; another concem is that Clear Channel did
repair work on the billboard prior to receiving the repair permit.
Marvin Liszt, Attorney for Clear Channel Outdoor, stated there was a serious jurisdictional
• issue that needs to be addressed. There are 1wo totally dififerent applications that Clear
Channel submitted to repair the biliboards. They involve separate structures in separate parts
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of the city and they have nothing to do with each other. The current process is a quasi-judicial
proceeding. The appeal filed by the appellants is o�e application for two different unrelated
mafters with an appticafion fee of $225, which is less than the fee Clear Channe( has to pay
when it appeals a decision at one location. The appellants have not met the requirement of
the ordinance to appeal an administrative decision. These appeals shouid be denied
jurisdictionaliy.
At the question of Commissioner Field, Mr. Warner stated that the sign portion of the Zoning
Code states in essence that any person aggrieved by an administrative decision can file an
appeal and take it to the Planning Commission. It doesn't say anything about zoning fees;
they are set by a separate City Council action. Certain procedural rules must be followed. The
standing of the appeilants can be challenged at any time and the challenge may be reserved
as an argument before a court if the matter ever gets there. But the Planning Commission can
go forward with this public hearing. Going forward today won't prevent the Planning
Commission from revisiting the propriety of multi-site appeals at a future date.
Marvin Liszt stated that if an appeal were submitted without a check, the application would be
returned by the City staff, and if it was not resubmitted with the 30-day appeal period, the
ability to appeal would be lostjurisdictionally.
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Peter Warner advised that the language in the ordinance is not particulariy clear, but the case •
was at a point of no return and the appellants have already been heard.
Larry Soderholm explained that fees for zoning applications are sef by a resolution of the City
Council that was adopted in 1994. There is a new proposal going to the City Council to revise
the 1994 fees. The 1994 fees distinguish between appeals filed by a business or institution
and appeals filed by a resident. Appeals by residents have a lower fee; appeals by
businesses have a higher fee. District Councils have always been charged the residential fee.
Marvi� Liszt requested that if the matter proceeded, the Zoning Committee would consider as
a part of the deliberation whether there is proper jurisdiction before the Pianning Commission.
Mr. Liszt stated in the application for appeal, ground number 2 states that boards were
repaired without permits prior to the repairs authorized by permits. That statement is false.
The permits were issued on November 2�, 2002, and the work was done on November 22,
2002, and there was no work done prior to that time. There is no evidence presented that
work was done prior to that time and Ciear Channel Outdoor objects to letting that aliegation
color the matter. Ground number 4 states that boards are illegal, and are built without permits.
There is no evidence behind that claim; in fact, they were built with permits. The State Statute
462.357 gives Clear Channel Outdoor the right to make repairs; the City staff did the right thing
in issuing permits for repairs to the billboards. Repairs done now have to be made with parts
that are available now. Mr. Liszt gave an example of a nonconforming gas station or house
that was built in 1940. If a window needed repair, it would be difficult to find a replacement
window from '1940. The owner could install a new replacement window in the gas station or
house.
Chris McCarver, Owner of Clear Channel Outdoor, submitted pictures of the 1676 White Bear �
Avenue biliboards for the record and stated there are wood stringers going across the entire
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length of the structures. The horizontal panels are a change in the industry standard and the
change was discussed with Mr. Fischbach of LIEP prior to his issuance of the permits. The
replacement wood stringers were connected to the steel uprights which were afready in
existence. The horizontal angle irons are now part of the sign face kits. They are components
of the faces themselves, they are not the stringers. He stated that the White Bear Ave. permit
was valid for the replacement of all four sign faces and their trim and for replacement of the
wood stringers. That is all the work that the company has done there.
Mr. McCarver also submitted pictures for 1276 Grand Avenue, and stated stringers at this site
have always be steel. The paneis were changed from vertical panels to horizontal panels
which was discussed with Mr. Fischbach prior to the issuance of the permit. He suggested that
the public interest is indeed spelled out in the ordinances, which provide that nonconforming
signs can continue. He reminded the committee that Mr. Bates had a ballot initiative in 1999,
and a majority of the public voted that signs were not an issue. That is the public interest. The
City should get off this issue, let existing billboards be repaired, and stop the needless waste
of taxpayer money and time.
At the question of Commissioner Kramer, Mr. McCarver stated that the horizontal stringers
were replaced at both sites and they did the repairs to the exact letter of the permits. The
permits stated that the stringers could be replaced.
O Upon a further question from Commissioner Kramer, Mr. Liszt stated that ground number 3 of
the appeal alleges that the billboards were repaired beyond what was allowed by the permits.
Some of the repairs may have been structural, but the state law says you can do repairs and
maintenance to a nonconforming use. The law doesn't offer any distinction between structural
versus nonstructural. To the extent that speciai sign districts talk about the repairs being
permitted based on structural versus nonstructural elements without regard to the value of the
sign, the special sign districts conflict with state statute and are illegal.
At the inquiry of Commissioner Alton, Mr. Liszt explained that the special sign districts aren't
illegal in and of themselves. The City Council can adopt special sign districts so that a
neighborhood can have distinctive looking signs in its area and these sign districts are
ordinances of the City. However, a special sign district ordinance that includes a provision that
is unconstitutionai or contradicts state law would be invalid with regard to that provision.
Upon a question from Commissioner Kramer, Mr. McCarver itemized the billboard components
at these sites that were not changed: the steel bedding, the vertical angle iron or C-Channel
towers, cross bracing, cat walks, illumination, access ladders, and top rails.
Charles Repke, responded to the jurisdictional challenge. He stated that the co-appellants
foliowed the City staff's instructions on how to appeal in a timely fashion within the 30 days
and any minor mistakes can be resolved without the case being thrown out. If the City wants a
second check, the District 2 Community Council will pay the additional fee. There is an
important issue at stake that needs to be decided on its merits.
• Commissioner Field asked why the appeal had only one signature. Brian Bates stated that in
signing the appeal he was representing the Macalester-Groveland Community Council, the
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District 2 Community Council, and Scenic St. Paul, and that all three organizations had
authorized him to file in their behalf. He explained that the grounds for the appeal are
allegations. Where the appeal stated that "boards were repaired without permits prior to
repairs authorized by permits", he meant the Grand Ave. biliboard. At that site, before any
biliboard repair permit was issued a new element was added to the back of the structure, to
which the old, bent, vertical panels were tacked down so that a new message could be posted
on the sign face. These temporary repairs are documented by the photos and described in
the staff report.
Mr. Bates continued with his observation that If this same process of sign face replacement is
followed, if the City issues repair permits for ali types of "minor repairs", then eventually all the
biliboards in the city will be as good as new.
At the question of Commissioner Alton, Jeff Fischbach of LIEP stated that a final determination
has not been made as to whether or not the conditions of the permits have been exceeded. If
the City does determine that the conditions of these permits have been violated, then LIEP will
tell Clear Channel to remove the violations or make the repairs as they were approved on the
permit.
Upon the question of Commissioner Field, Mr. Fischbach stated he has been out to the sites
but has not been up on the roofs to do close-up inspections.
Marvin Liszt stated that if there were any repairs that exceeded the permit, that doesn't
invalidate the permit. That would be an enforcement issue in which Clear Channel would have
to do something or suffer the consequences.
Brian Bates cautioned that regardless of whether LIEP determines or fails to determine if the
repairs comply with the permit, the neighborhoods have to file any appeal within 30 days or
lose their right to appeal. They're caught in a dilemma. ThaYs why they had to file this appeal
when they did.
The public hearing was closed.
Commissioner Kramer moved staff recommendations 1 through 3 as writteR and
recommendation 4 with the following amendment: Strike the language saying, "the staff
recommends granting the appeal with regard to..." and insert instead, "the Planning
Commission finds that repair work done by Clear Channel Outdoor that exceeded ...etc.'
Commissioner Morton seconded the motion.
Commissioner Anfang stated he would vote against the motion based ort recommendation 4.
He doesn't think that the Planning Commission couid find that Clear Channel exceeded what
LIEP's permits allowed them to do. He felt this committee didn't have the ability to reach that
conclusion without a report from LIEP on their inspection and enforcement measures.
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from fhe Planning Commission would not be binding. LIEP could choose to issue an
enforcement tag, or use civil action. Any action by the Planning Commission would be coming
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from an advisory body that lacks the power to dictate the way LIEP operates. He further
thought that, since the appeal is based in part on a charge that Clear Channel did work on the
biliboards beyond what the permits ailowed, the Planning Commission ought to address that
charge.
The motion failed on a vote of two to three.
Commissioner Anfang moved the staff recommendation 2, which denied the appellants' claim
that the billboards are illegal. He thought the evidence showed that all of the billboards are
legal nonconforming uses.
Commissioner Alton seconded the motion, but was concerned that the committee needed to
go further and deal with the entire appeal.
At the question of Commissioner Field, Mr. Warner concurred with Mr. Alton that the
committee's action should address all four of the bases for the appeal, especially number 1,
which deals with the replacement of face panels in special sign districts. This is the difficult
gray area where the City staff and the neighborhoods disagree. The Planning Commission
and next, most likely, the City Council need to determine whether face replacement is going to
be permitted or not.
� Commissioner Alton staied that Commissioner Anfang's motion is generally that the appeai
should be denied. The staff findings as written do not support denial on all four bases, but
they support denial with regard to issuance of sign face repair permits and with regard to the
signs being legal nonconforming uses. No testimony was given that the repairs at either site
exceeded 50 percent of the signs' values. With regard to the charge that repairs were
made at the Grand Ave. site before the City permit was issued, it is a moot point
because any unauthorized repairs were subsequently removed when the face was
replaced pursuant to the permit. With respect to the contention that the repair work at
both sites exceeded what was allowed by permit, that is a question that the Planning
Commission can't decide with the evidence that was presented at this hearing. WhaYs
more, it's a question that LIEP has the authority to decide and act on regardless of what
the Planning Commission recommends. Mr. Fischbach cannot state at this point
whether the repairs went beyond the permits. The City has expressed its policy that
the number of biilboards in the .city should be reduced over time, so repairs beyond what
was legally permitted by LIEP should not be allowed by Planning Commission action.
Enforcement is LIEP's responsibility and LIEP should enforce the law vigorously. The
Commission should not intervene at this point either to grant or deny the appeal with regard to
the allegation that repairs went beyond the permit.
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Commissioner Alton offered a friendly amendment to include staff recommendation 1 and add
a finding that there was testimony from Clear Channel that the repairs were done consistent
with the permits, but that LIEP staff has not yet determined whether all of the repair work was
consistent with the permits. Therefore, repairs beyond the permits are not appropriate
grounds for granting the appeal. But if LIEP staff finds that repairs were done beyond the
permits, enforcement action should be taken. So in essence the appeal would be denied
based on staff recommendations 1 and 2. The LIEP staff properly issued the permits in
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accordance with the Iaw. Staff recommendations 3 and 4 are separate enforcement issues to
be pursued by LIEP and are not proper grounds for an appeal.
Commissioner Anfang accepted the friendly amendment.
The motion passed 3-2 (Faricy, Kramer)
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a) Every ]aw shall be construect, if possible, to give effect to all its provisions. Miun.Stat.
645.16.
b) Whenever it is possible, no word, phrase, or senteace should be deemed superIluous,
void, or msignificant.
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c} We i�-the Legislatiire intended to favor the public interest over the private
interest. Minn.Stat. 645.17(5).
Amural u Saint Cloud Hosp., 598 N..2d 379, 384 (Minn. 1999).
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645.26(1).
State v. Corbin, 343 N.W2d 874, 875 (Minn.App. 1984).
Ehlert v Graue, 195 N.W.2d 823, 826 (Minn. 1972).
II STAFF F'INDINGS
� a) "City staff believe that replacement of an old, but undacnaged sign face is a maintenance
activity as pernutted by state statute, not a replacement or renovation of the advertising sign."
Response: By this interpretation staff deems section 66.301 to control. Staff is saying that
if the sign face is damaged greater than 50% it cannot be replaced, otherwise it can. This
interpretafion gives effect to section 66301 exclusively. This intetpretation violates the above
cited rules of construction a, b, c, and d. This interpretation reads section 66302 out of the
zoning code entirely, favors the private mterest over the public interest, and allows general
provisions, those which pertain to all signs, to prevail over the specific provision wluch pertains to
advertising signs.
b) "Secrion 66302 of the code refers primazily to the previous "move to confonvauce"
program with sign face credits for the location of billboards, a prograzn which was eliminated in
2000 when the most recent billboazd amendments were adopted."
Response: Had the City Council meant to reject section 66302 m its entirety, it would
have. Ratfier the Ciry Council specifically eliminated the entire "move to conforntance" program,
since billboards were made a prohibited and use they cannot be made confomung, but kept wt�at
remains of section 66.302. Staff s intetpretation gives no meaning to what rema.ins of section
66.302 violating niles of construction a, b, and d above.
c) "The city staff do treat sign face replacement as renovation, which is prolu�bited under
• this section, when a sign face bas been damaged beyond 50% of its replacement cost."
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Response: The district court has stated that sign &ce replacement is renovation. The •
district court was dealing with a circutnstance where the sign face was entirely destroyed.
However, the district court did not qualify its mterpretation of the ordinance. It stated simply that
sign face replacement was renovation. This rnting coutd be given a broad interpretation giving
effect to the underlying public policy tbat bffiboazds aze an urban blight adversely affecting the
public health, safety and weTfare or the narrow interpretation staff gives it. The narrow
interpretation violates rules of intetpretaTion a, b, c, and d.
As a practical matter, stafes interpretations have largely fa�ored the billboazd companies'
interests over the interests of neighborhood residents. There was an infamous quote in the
Highland Villager ttiat LIEP simpty ignored all special sign districts. LIEP, until recentty, refused
to make public permit appfications they received from biltboard companies, now LIEP has
changed tY�at policy and does routinely inform the relevant community council. We think it a
better policy that neighbors neaz an� particulaz billboard be informed 'm addition to the
Comunwity Councils. Untfl these recent appeals where the appeUant raised section 66.302, that
section was routinely ignored. It is not difficult to discern a"lean" towazd private interests and
away from public i�terPsts; toward the bi7Tboazd companies interests and away from neighborhood
interests; toward multi-national, Te�s-based, corporate profits and away from neighborhood
properiy vatues.
If it is true that sign faces need to be replaced every 10 years, we would logically see all •
boazds in the City slowly removed over the neact decade. That would be in keeping with the
City's policy of disallowing any new buildings aud removal of e�sting billboazds by attrition.
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APPELLANTS: District 2 Community Council, HEARING DATE: 01/16/03
Macalester-Groveland Community Council, and Scenic Saint Paul
2. TYPE OF APPLICATION: Administrative Appeal
3. LOCATIONS: 1670 White Bear Ave, SE corner at Larpenteur Ave. and 1278 Grand Ave.,
SE corner at Syndicate St.
4. PIN 8� LEGAL DESCRIPTIONS:
White Bear Ave. property: (PIN 23-29-22-22-0121) Hilicrest Center subj. to Ave; W'/z of
Vac Gary Place accruing & N 85 ft of lot 1 block 4(LIEP billboard ref. # 267)
Grand Ave. property: (PIN 03-28-23-42-0048) Stinson's Blvd, Block 4, Lot 12 (LIEP
billboard ref. �# 343)
5. PLANNING DISTRICTS District 2 and District 14 PRESENT ZONING B-2 at
both sites
6. ZONING CODE REFERENCE: §66.408(a); 66.101; 66.2169.3(e)(1); 66.2169.5(e)(1);
66.301: and 66.302
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STAFF REPORT DATE: 1/9/03
BY: Larry Soderholm
8. DATE RECEIVED: 12/20/02 DEADLINE FOR ACTION: 2/18/03
A. PURPOSE: Appeal of billboard permits issued by the office of Licensing, Inspections and
Environmental Protection (LIEP) for replacement of existing billboard sign face panels,
trim and the horizontal stringers that support the sign faces. Appellants claim that
replacement of sign face paneis and stringers is contrary to their neighborhood special
sign districts, that the actual repairs made exceeded the conditions of the permits, and
that the billboards are not legal nonconforming uses.
B. PARCEL SIZES: White BearAve.: 30,848 square feet; Grand Ave.: 6,150.square feet
C. EXISTING LAND USE: White BearAve.: 1-story, multi-tenant shopping center; Grand
Ave.: 1-story commercial building occupied by an ethnic restaurant. The billboards are on
the roofs.
D. SURROUNDING LAND USES:
White Bear Ave.
North: Auto-oriented commercial strip in Maplewood
South: Hilicrest Shopping Center takes the whole block (B-2)
East: Senior housing (RT-2)
West: Commercial across White Bear Ave., planned for redevelopment as a
Walgreen's (B-3)
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Grand Ave.
North: Supermarket parking across Grand (B-2); 2 single-family houses kitty-corner
(RM-2)
South: Duplexes and single-family residential across the alley (RT-1)
East: House converted to commercial use next door, then two more houses all in B-2
zone.
West: Apartment buildings across Syndicate (RM-2)
E. ZONING CODE CITATIONS:
§66.408(a) of the Zoning Code, which is part of the chapter on signs, states that "Any
person affected by the decision of the zoning administrator dealing wifh the provisions of
this chapter may appeaf this decision to the planning commission within thirty (30)
calendar days of the decision." §64.209(j), which is in the administration and enforcement
chapter of the Zoning Code, provides that appeais of administrative decisions to the
Planning Commission must be heard within 30 days.
§66.101 states the general purposes of the sign chapter of the zoning code. §66.30'I Iists
the purpose of the sign code with respect to nonconforming signs. §66.301(2) prohibits
reconstruction of a nonconforming sign if the sign or sign structure is destroyed to an
extent greater than 51 percent of its replacement cost. §66.302 refers to the �revious
"Move to Conformance" program with sign credits. and §66.2169.5 and §66.2i69.3 give,
respectively, the regulations for the Greater East Side and Grand Ave. Special Sign
Districts, with restrictions on nonconforming signs listed in each case in paragraph (e).
F. HISTORY/DISCUSSION: For each location, LIEP issued a sign permit on 11/21/02 for
replacement of the existing sign faces and trim with new sign faces and trim (the
fiberglass "picture frames"). The permits also approve the replacement of the horizontal
stringers that support the sign faces. In the White Bear case the old stringers were wood
and could be replaced only with wood; in the Grand Ave. case, the old stringers were
angle iron and could be replaced with metal. in both cases, district council
representatives called the City with questions and complaints about the work being done
on the billboards, and in particular why new angie iron was being installed on the White
Bear Ave. billboards.
There is no other zoning histary on these two billboard locations. However, this same
issue of biilboard face replacement in a special sign district was recently brought to the
Planning Commission in an appeal by the Merriam Park Community Council regarding a
roof-top billboard at 1926 University Ave. On that case, the Zoning Committee and the
Planning Commission were evenly split on whether to grant or deny the appeal.
G. DISTRICT COUNCIL RECOMMENDATIONS: Both district councils are co-appellants in
this case.
H. FINDINGS:
On October 28, 2002, Ciear Channel Outdoor applied for sign permits for both '1670
White Bear Ave. (all four sign faces) and 1278 Grand Ave. (a single sign face) to
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replace the sign faces, trim, and stringers on the rooftop biliboards.
2. On November 21, 2002, Jeff Fischbach of the LIEP staff issued a permit for each of
the two applications. The White Bear Ave. permit was subject to the following
conditions, which are written on the permit: `Height of sign faces musf not be
increased. The sign sfructures have only wooden stringers. All repair materiais must
be of the same type as the original maferials, no addifion or substitution of materials
aUowed. The only structural work authorized is the replacemenf of fhe wooden
stringers. No other structural work permi#ed. No electrical work proposed or
authorized. Any elecfrical work would require the biilboard owner to obtain a
separafe electricai permit."
The Grand Ave. permit was subject to the following conditions, which are written on
the permit: `i of sign face must not be increased. Only structural work
aufhonzed is the replacement of the mefal stringers. No other structural work
proposed."
Clear Channel crews worked at both sites and repiaced the sign faces, trim, and
stringers.
3. On December 20, 2002, the District 2 Community Council, the Macalester-Groveland
� Community Council, and Scenic Saint Paul appealed the issuance of the sign permits
�, by LIEP on the grounds that: (a) The permits were contrary to provisions of the
zoning code, inciuding but not limited to section 66.302 and the prohibitions against
replacement of structural elements in the Greater East Side Special Sign District
[section 66.2169.5(e)(1)(e)] and Macalester Groveland Special Sign District [section
66.2169.3(e)(1)(e)]; (b) repairs were made prior to the issuance of the permits; (c)
repairs were made beyond what was authorized by the permits; and (d) the bilfboards
, are illegal land uses.
The City staff responses to these claims are given in findings 4 through 8 below.
4. The appellants claim that the permits are contrary to section 66.302 of the zoning
code, which states that advertising signs to be replaced, relocated or renovated must
be on zoning lots where advertising signs are a permitted use. City staff believe that
replacement of an old, but undamaged sign face is a maintenance activity as
permitted by state statute, not a replacement or renovation of the advertising sign.
Section 66.302 of the code refers primarily to the previous "Move to Conformance"
program with sign credits for the relocation of billboards, a program which was
eliminated in 2000 when the most recent billboard amendments were adopted.
Although the "Move to Conformance" program is dead, there is a plausibie argument
that the replacement of a sign face is the same thing as replacement or renovation of
an advertising sign. The city staff regard sign face replacement as different from
advertising sign replacemenf because: (a) billboard companies have for decades
� done sign face replacements every ten years or so as a routine maintenance activity;
and (b) the cost of the sign face panels and the surrounding fiberglass trim kits are
cheap (approximately $800) in comparison with the sign structure (bed pan secured
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to building rooftop, angle iron A-frames wifh bracing, electrica! service, catwalk,
stringers). The city staff do treat sign face replacement as renovation, which is
prohibited under this section, when a sign face has been damaged beyond fifty
percent of its replacement cost. This treatment is in accordance with the Ramsey
County district court decision about storm-damaged signs on Grand Avenue.
Thus, the city staff position is that sign face replacement is permitted as a routine
maintenance activity, but it is not permitted in the case of a badly damaged sign face.
While this may appear incoRSistent, it has a logic based on the agent causing the
damage. The sfate statute on nonconforming uses refers to destruction "by fire or
other peril". In the case of fire or wind damage, the nonconforming use cannot be
reptaced. But the City does not want iiself to be the cause of deterioration through
preventing routine maintenance since the state statute explicitly permits the
maintenance of nonconforming uses.
5. The appeilants c{aims that the biliboard repair permits violate the Greater East Side
artd Macalester Groveland Special Sign Disfricf regufafions, The City staff find that
the permi#s in this case were issued in error with regard to the repfacement of the old
stringers--2 X 6 wood stringers on White Bear Ave. and angle-iron stringers on Grand
Ave.
The language on nonconforming signs is identical in the two special sign districts. It �
says, "No nonconforming sign shall be: ...(e) Mainfained through replacement of
structu2l elements." in 2000, at the time of the biliboard zoning study, the Planning
Commission recommended that stringers should be treated as structural elements,
but sign face panels should not be treated as structural elements. The City Council
neither adopted fhe Commission's recommendation, nor fashioned an .alternative
definition of structural eiements. In 2001, the state law was amended to give owners
of nonconforming property the right to repair and maintain it. In light of the new state
law, the Planning Commission decided to allow minor structural repairs in the
Raymond Ave, billboard repair case, notwithstanding the speciai sign districYs
categorical prohibition against structural replacement. LIEP staff relied on thaY
decision in issuing the permits to repiace stringers on the White Bear and Grand
Avenue biliboards. However, the Planning Commission's Raymond Ave. decision
was then overtumed by the City Council. The Council determined that a categorical
prohibition against structural replacement could be harmonized with the state law's
protection of property owners.
6. The appeilants claim that some repairs were made to the billboards before the repair
permits were issued. In the Grand Ave. case, the appellants say that the o!d face
panel was curled upward from the bottom and was tacked back down to a wood
stringer that was added to the structure last summer. LIEP staff confirms that this is
true. Photos attached to this staff report show the repair that was made without a
building permit. The unauthorized repair was entirely removed as part of the sign
face replacement done under the LIEP permit that is the subject of this appeal.
There is no ciaim that unauthorized work was done at the White Bear Ave. signs. �
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7. The appeliants claim that Clear Channel made repairs that went beyond what the
permits allowed. Staff agrees that this claim is true for the White Bear Ave. repairs.
For alI five sign faces in this case, a new face panel system was used that upgrades
the billboards structuraliy and will extend the useful lives of these signs.
The new face panel system is different from the old system in the following ways:
a) The interlocking sign face panels are horizontal instead of vertical as they have
been in the past;
b) The new face panels are clipped to each other and are secured by two top-to-
bottom verticai struts made of galvanized steel. Before, there were no vertical
struts. The previous sign face panels were attached directly to the horizontal wood
stringers by metal clips.
c) The vertical metal struts are secured by bolts to the vertical angle iron A-frame
structure.
d) New horizontal angle iron stringers were added to the White Bear Ave. signs. As
an apparent gesture toward the condition on the permit, repiacement wood
stringers were installed, but they are redundant and cosmetic. The wood stringers
appear to have no function.
� By changing the materials and adding vertical metal struts and horizontal angle iron
stringers, Clear Channel has violated conditions of the White Bear Ave. permit that
"All repair materials must be of the same type as the original materials, no addition or
substitution of materials allowed. The only structural work authorized is the
replacement of the wooden stringers."
The appeal claims that the billboards are illegal. The White Bear Ave. biliboards were
erected legally under a building permit issued on 2/24/75. City staff presumes that
the Grand Ave. billboard is also legal, although staff have not found a building permit.
Since the adoption of the new biUboard regulations in 2000, all billboards in the city
have become nonconforming uses. But almost all of the biliboards in the city are
legal nonconforming uses that were either built with building permits or were
grandfathered by virtue of having been built before 1956. Old building permits at
LIEP are stored in chronological order, not by address, or by applicant, or by type of
construction. Therefore, the City staff have difficulty retrieving oId building permits.
The appellants in this case haven't submitted any evidence that the sign is not legal.
9. The Sign Chapter of the Zoning Code provides regulations for nonconforming signs.
Section 66.301(a) on nonconforming signs reads: "No sign sfrall be enlarged or
altered in a way which increases its nonconformity except for temporary extensions
on billboards as permitted in paragraph 7 of this section." The Greater East Side and
• Macalester Groveland Special Sign Districts provide that "No nonconforming sign
shall be: (a) Altered or enlarged in any way,� or (b) Replaced by another
nonconforming sign, though a change in the message wil/ not be deemed to be a
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repiacement;" The changes in the method of construction described in finding 8
violate these provisions. They are alterations of the b+llboard that are designed to
extend the Iife of the sign.
STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS:
Based on Findings 1 through 4, the staff recommends denial of the appeal by the District
2 Community Council, the Macalester-Groveland Community Council, and Scenic Saint
Paul with regard to LIEP's issuance of biliboard repair permits for face panel replacements
and trim kits at 1670 White Bear Av�. and at 1278 Grand Ave.
Based on Findings 1, 2, 3, and 8, the staff recommends denial of the appeai with regard
to the legafity of the billboards. All of the billboards in this case should be treated as legal
nonconforming uses.
2. Based on Findings 1, 2, 3, and 5, the staff recommends granting the appeal with regard to
LIEP's issuance of billboard repair permits for repiacement of the horizontal stringers that
support the bitlboards af 1670 White Bear Ave. and at 1278 Grand Ave.
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3. Based on Findings 1, 2, 3, 7, and 9, the staff recommends granting the appeal with regard �
to repair work done by Clear Channel Outdoor that exceeded what LIEP's permits and
Chapter 66 of the Zoning Code ailow. PED staff recommends that LIEP require that
biliboard repairs be made in ways that do not upgrade the designs and materials of
nonconforming signs.
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- IncIuues assembly of fascia, s�inge;s, platforms, Iadders,
brackets etc. 9II_S1tC. 1,�CGu � ��vS /2 o a? ; i%e� J�L^-�1 Y%u.�-�tuo2/�.
- `� man crew @ '� � hours @
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- Equipment required:
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- Purchase of basic eIec�ical materiaI incIuding light fi.miras, balIasts, lamps, boxes,
hangers, breakers, ctocks, miscellaneous items such as cnnduit and cannectozs, clamps
and clips, etc. @ 5 - - _ _ _ . _ _ _ 2� c'GG. �
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- Sales tax @ / , J % for materials - - - - - - - - � /s'-` , =;
- Load and unload equipment at site = a 2 man
crew @ �� houis each @ S �'� /br. - - - S 7 Lu .�`,
- Insra2l electrical panels, run conduit, pull wire, install nxtures and ballasts:
� - � man crew @ �U hrs- . (a� i
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- Equipment required:
(a) one !�?�r<,� truck (a3 1-' � hours
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(b) one!% t�ti��' truck @ a``� hours
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(cJ one truck @ hours
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SUBTOTAL ------------------------------------ S 73,3�,�.
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- Crew to paint uprigfits including shvctu�ai
stesl, ladders, srringe:s, �im, etc., alI
items �� fascza
- Z— man crew @� Y hours @
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- Equipment required:
(a) or�e panzl u�uck mquized for
!G hours� Zc� Ihr. --------5 3�o.c�
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Dif�e CTIHARD REPI20DUCTION COST (I'IEMS 2-'� ----- 3 3� s� /- =�'
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The above costs a:e ior labe* and raw ma!erial� �niv and dfl not include "ind'uect costs" including such iter.is �
standazd overhead allowanc� and (Z) en�cnreue:L*iaUprofit --- ag explained in the namtive of the repor[-
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Entrepreneurial profit @ I S %- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - � /6 � z 7� �= a
REPLACF.�'13EN'T COS1' NE4'Y - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - SAY, S !� io c ��
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(2) recognizing the sirict mzintenance schedule applied to oatdoor adyer[ising sizuctures and -
(3) the condition and qvaiity of constn!ction and -
(4) the location and esonomic life expectancy of the outdoor advertising s�ucture ----
We have arrivefl zt the canclusion thaz the overail depreciation estunate of
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TOTAL DEPRECIATION EST3i-IATE - - - � ?:�o +
'� 1`dflTE: D'EPRECIATI�N IS c� t% % OF DIRECT COST (DEPRECLABLE ASSETS)
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B'OTAL REPLACEME2V�T COST NEW ------ 5 75�� �'.
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BILLBO aRD / SIGN
PERi�IIT #:20 02 237038
Issued Date: November 21, 2002
\TR4CTOR:
CLE4R CHa.V\EL OLTDOOR
32?5 SPRI\G ST \E
bIPLS bL�i 55413-2908
PERi`IIT ADDRESS: 1278 GRA.�� AvE
SUB TYPE: Biilboards
Permit is for the
Estimated Value of �Vork
Estimated Completion Date
Billboard Sq Ft
boaTd Len�th —
Credits
ST PALTL hN 5510�-2604
O«'\ER:
CITY OF SAINT PAUL �
OKCe of License, �nsp¢:;,� j
& Environmental Pro;ectcn '��
350 St Peter Street. Suit= 3:0 �
SaintPaul,MN55102.!5;p �
PHONE (651) 26o-9�SV I
FAX: (651) 266-3•21 i
GREGORY T ROI'TER
3653 COLF.�1 A�� S
bII\�'EAPOLIS �L1 55409-1021
WORK TYPE: Commercial Repair/Alter
of thz siQn face, and its h-im, and the metal strin�ers oe the structure
3241.71
Nov 16, 2002
300
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Estimated Start Date
Billboard Tvpe
Billboard �Vidth
Billboard Hei�ht
Sion Credit; Uszd
1Vov I5, 2002
Roof
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�FEES
Perntit Fee
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TOTAL 13 � .42
Hzight of sign face must noe be increaszd Onty structural work authorized is thz replacement of the mztal strin�ers. No other s[ruceu:_I «or�
proposed.
The inspector assigned to this Permit is Jon H. �Gho can be reached at 651-266-9022 between 7.30 Ai�1 and 9.00
A:tiI Monday throu�h Friday
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OFFICE OF LICENSE, INSPECTIONS AND ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION
350 ST. PETER STREET, SUITE 300
ST. PAU�, MINNESOTA 55702-1510
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au�ust 7, 2002
Chris McCarver
V/P Rezl Estate MaaaQer
Clear Channel Communications
322� Sprin� Street ti' E.
blinneapolis, �(�i 55-1i;
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Dear �Ir. Evrard:
Dunng a rouune m,necnon oi adcer*�;�no �t�ns m[he Cm oi Sai,-.. Paul I observed [hz copq of
[he adtierttsement on [he sr�n iace o£billboard(s) you o��r. ,r. [he City were peeling a��ay from
[he:, surface a[ [he fo]lo��ma Ioeaiion(s):
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379 Rice Street
1215 Rice Street
1�2I SelbyAvenue
Secuon 66201 (3) of the leeislat�ve code s[a:es all sio:;� w_�h y�z �ns{�ntly sha[I be repaired o:
removed within I� days ot notificauon. -
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withia t? days of fr,e datz oi this ie«zr. If you have aay que;tior.s or concems re�arding this
marz, I may be contactzd at 266-908�. `
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Billboard Ir,spections
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