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BE IT RESOLVED, that the Council of the City of Saint Paul hereby certifies and approves the August 27,
2002, decisions of the Legislative Hearing Officer on Property Code Enforcement Appeals for the following
addresses:
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5 1078 Front Avenue Gretchen Erie
6 Decision: Laid over to the October 8, 2002, Property Code Enforcement Meefing.
7 977 Fu11er Avenue (Laid over from 7-2-02) Cherie Eula Johnson
8 Decision: Laid over to the September 10, 2002, Properiy Code Enforcement Meeting.
9 184 Baker Street East Lori Hurley
10 Decision: Laid over to the September 10, 2002, Property Code Enforcement Meeting.
11 456 Osceola Avenue South Tony Casland
12 Decision: Appeal denied on the July 25, 2002, Vacant Building Registration Notice.
13 201 Genesee Street Steven Cromey
14 Decision: Appeal denied on the August 6, 2002, Correction Notice.
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Approving the August 27; 2002, decisions of the Legislative Hearing Officer on Property Code
Enforcement Appeals for the following addresses: 1078 Front Avenue, 977 Fuller Avenue,
184 Baker Street East, 456 Osceola Avenue South, and 201 Genesee Street.
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NOTES OF THE PROPERTY CODE ENFORCEMENT MEETING
Tuesday, August 27, 2002
Gerry Strathman, Legislative Hearing Officer
Room 330 Courthouse
The meeting was called to order at 1:32 p.m.
STAFF PRESENT: Joel Bssling, Code Enforcement; Kristine Kujala, Ramsey County-TaY
Forfeited Lands; Steve Magner, Code Enforcement; Dennis Senty, Code Enforcement; Ed Smith,
Code Enforcement
1078 Front Avenue
Gerry Strathman laid over to the October 8, 2002, Properly Code Enforcement Meeting at the
request of Michael Urmann (Fire Prevention).
977 Fuller Avenue (Laid over from 7-2-02)
Gerry Strathman stated this matter goes back to March. He asked the current situation.
The following appeared: Richard Hawke, attorney, Cherie Eula Johnson, owner. Mr. Hawke
stated Ms. Johnson was able to reinstate the contract with Ramsey County. There is an
application with Patricia Kelley (Planning and Economic Development [PED]-Housing Loan
Program), who said there is money in the programs slotted for Ms. Johnson. Ms. Johnson
dropped off the application materiais just before coming here today. Ms. Johnson has also been
in contact with the community housing program as an additional possibility for funding.
Mr. Strathman stated this matter started in February. He was told there were loans in process and
they were expected shortly. Later, one loan didn't happen, but Mr. Hawke was sure another
would happen. Now, it is six months later, and they are talking about a loan from PED. This is
beginning to sound Iike an endless situation. Mr. Hawke responded there is a loan application
for a mortgage. A new broker said that Ms. Johnson has been pre-approved. With the low
interest money, there are plenty of loan applicarions that fit into the underwriter's model. He is
hauing a tough time getting the attention of the underwriters. Mr. Hawke put in a phone ca11
with him yesterday and has not heazd back yet. Ms. 7ohnson had to find her own funds to
reinstate the contract. It is a difficult process.
Joel Essling reported the orig3nal orders were issued in June 2001. The condemnation was issued
in February 2002. Nothing has been done. He would recommend the house be vacated and
turned over to Vacant Buildings. He told Mr. Hawke and Ms. Jotmson, that he would give them
a vacate of about ten days, Ms. Patricia Kelley would give them the money, and then he could
e�ctend the date.
Mr. Hawke stated this is a difficult situation. Given the financial situation, vacating the property
would create a hardship for Ms. Johnson.
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Kristine Kujala reported the contract is current, but it is not paid off. She is not taking any action
at this point.
Gerry Strathman laid over to the September 10, 2002, Property Code Enforcement Meeting. If
the owner does not have a rehabilitarion loan commitment in hand at that tune, he will move to
deny the appeal, which will reinstate the Notice of Condemnation. He is not inclined to look past
September 10. If there is a real commihnent for the money to make the necessary repairs, then
they will talk about allowing time for that to happen. Mr. Essling added that he will talk to Ms.
Kelly to see if he can expedite this issue.
184 Baker Street East
Geiry Strathman stated that Jack Reazdon {Code Enfarcement) called his secretary to say that the
owner and the neighbor haue reached an agreement on the retaining wall. That usually means the
matter in dispute is being resolved and the City does not need to be involved anymore; therefore,
Mr. Reardon as not here today.
Steve Magner stated he left a message for Mr. Reardon to appear, and is waiting for a response.
Lori Hurley, owner, appeazed and stated it is not true that the issue is resolved. She owns the
upside of the property and he owns the lower side. This is regazding a retaining wall. She
acquired the properiy in April. There was a retanung wall there about five years ago according
to the previous owner, who said she reported that wall to the City because of termites. The
owner removed the wall, and it was not replaced. Ms. Hurley and he have been in touch about
the wall because he has a Certificate of Occupancy Certificate at stake. They aze trying to figure
out who is paying what. She does not know her responsibility in the matter. Mr. Strathman
responded those are legal matters that he is not qualified to deal with. The only item in front of
him is the July 17, 2002, Correction Notice.
Ms. Hurley stated she talked to Maynard Vinge (Code Enforcement) who told her the City won't
require a retaining wall and she may haue misinterpreted the notice. Mr. Schiller responded if
she has sufFicient property, it is possible to take the wall out, do proper grading, and have proper
ground cover. He suggested she call the Building Permit and meet an inspector onsite.
Gerry Strathman laid over to the September 10, 2002, Property Code Enfarcement Meeting to
have the inspector present to answer Ms. Hurley's quesrions.
456 Osceola Avenue South
The following appeazed: Tony Casland and Greg Tessmer, his brother. Mr. Casland stated their
mother died in Febri.�ary, and he is in chazge of the propzriy as the trustee.
Gerry Strathman stated this appeal is in response to a letter from the City telling him that he
needs to register the property as a vacant building. Mr. Casland responded there are four homes
to be sold. One is being closed on Friday. His mother lived at 456 Osceola before she went into
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a nursing home. While she was in the nursing home, his two brothers-Dominick and Greg--lived
there. Dominick moved into an apartment. They have four floors to clean out. They have been
working on the house for six montbs. While Crreg was away from the home, he was in another
house. During that titue period, the City put a vacancy placard there. There were two brothers
working on the house. The brother could not move back in because of the vacancy sign. Mr.
Casland is the oldest of 14 kids. At least three of the brothers do not have homes. He uses these
homes as homesteading while he is fixing the homes and selling them. The properties were
occupied wlule being prepazed.
Mr. Strathman stated one brother moved out while it was under restorafion and the other brother
wants to move in. Mr. Casiand responded it is the same one.
Steve Magner reported Dennis Senty opened a file on June 27 on a referrai from Steve Schiller.
There have been approacimately 74 inspections on this properiy in the last three years. This
includes everydiing from e�cterior building maintenance, vehicles, and yazd cleaning. Mr.
Magner is familiar with this property. He was here as faz back as 1993, and Mr. Schiller
remembers going to this property 20 years ago when he started with Code Bnforcement. This
property has a long history of invoivement with Code Enforcement and use of City services to
clean it and maintain it because the owners were unable to do that. Once, the dwelling was
reported to be unoccupied, Code Enforcement posted a piacard. They had no immediate
responses from the individuals. Mr. Magner encountered Dominick, one of the brothers, who
indicated the dwelling was unoccupied because his brother Greg was living at another property
down the street. Mr. Magner asked him why he didn't think it should be a vacant building.
Greg said that he needs to sell it. If he had to get a code compliance, he wouid have to spend
about $3,000 to rehab it. Mr. Magner explained if the dwelling is unoccupied, meets the
defuution of the legislative code, had an open file when it became unoccupied, then he had no
other recourse than to open a Category 2 vacant building. It wouid require a vacant building
registration, fees, and a code compliance certificate before the properiy is occupied. Dominick
said he would move his brother in. Mr. Magner responded then he would haue to use a
condemnation to force the vacate based on the information they have because they cannot allow
occupancy of the dwelling.
Based on your observation, asked Mr. Strathman, the building was vacant when you issued the
orders. Mr. Magner responded that is correct. It was verified by Dominick.
Dennis Senty reported that he met Greg Tessmer at the properry, and he was asked did he ar
anyone live at 456 Osecola. Three times Mr. Tessmer answered no. Mr. Casland responded
Dominick is not a representative of them. They aze hying to get the properties secured, locked,
and up to code. They have always tried to take care of their violations.
Mr. Casiand stated that Greg is willing to move back in, but they won't let him because of the
vacancy. Since his mother had the stroke in December, said Mr. Casland, he had 10 citations at
the most. They may be compounding the issue because notices were being sent to his mother
and himsel£ Mr. Tessmer added that they are aiways working on it. If something needs to be
done, they do it.
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Mr. Strathman stated the issue here is did the Gity inspectors make an error in detennining this is
a vacant building. At the time they issued this, it was a vacant building. They had information
from someone that had lived there that it was vacant. Mr. Strathman does not believe the
inspectors made an error. Identifying the building as vacant and requiring it to be registered is an
appropriate use of their authority and observation.
Gerry Strathman denied the appeal on the July 25, 2002, V acant Building Registration Notice.
201 Genesee Street
Steven Cromey, owner, appeated and stated he is concerned about the wall and where it is
located. He is not sure where the property line lies. He has not had time to get a professional to
stake it out.
Gerry Strathman asked are they in agreement that the retaining wall needs repairs. Mr. Cromey
responded he agrees that it needs to be repaired on the east side of the house. He is not sure of
the ownership. It looks like they built the wall to keep the water away from the property on the
east. There is a new wall in piace in the front of his property. If they had spent the time to
replace the one in the front, they would haue done it on the east as well.
Mr. Strathman asked how he is going to determine whose wall it is. Mr. Cromey responded he
has not talked to the properry owner, who is the one who cailed and reported the wall. It is so
close to the propetty line, it may turn into a legal dispute.
Ed Smith reported that there is a retaining wail on the south end of the property and a cement
wall on the east side of the property. The properties at 203-205 do not have a cement retaining
wall on the south end of their property. They have some wood timbers in front. They have
nothing on the east side of their properry. The retaining wall is leaning badly towazd the property
at 203-205 Genesee Street. The tenants in the upper unit have small children. There is a cement
stand on the west side of their property. His main concern is the wall could collapse on someone.
Mr. Strathxnan stated it does not seem that the major dispute is whether Yhe wali needs to be
repaired or not, the dispute is about who is responsible for it. Mr. Cromey responded correct.
Also, there aze trees there. He has estimates in the upper $20,000 range.
(Mr. Cromey and Mr. Smitk showed Mr. Strathman photographs.)
Mr. Strathman stated there are three questions: i) does the wall need to be repaired, 2) whose
responsibility is it, 3) what is the reasonable amount of time for it to be repaired. There is no
question that the wall needs to be repaired. Tlie inspector concluded the wa11 needs to be
repaired and thinks Mr. Cromey is the owner. If there is a question about whethez Mr. Cromey
is the owner, perhaps it can be resolved, and he can issue orders to both properties. If iYs a
matter of time, they can allow more time for that to get done.
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Mr. Smith stated he gave an estension to October 6. Mr. Stratlunan responded that is not long
enough to get a contractor out.
Mr. Strathman asked does he think it is cleariy on Mr. Cromey's properry. Mr. Smith responded
the other properties did not have a cement retainiug wall in that location. Mr. Cromey responded
he grew up across the street from tlus properiy. The wood retainiug wall is about ten yeazs old.
It used to be a lull that rolled out into the sidewalk.
If there was assurance that Mr. Cromey was accepting responsibility for tlus, stated Mr.
Suathman, they can talk about more tnne, but he does not want to give more time to find out
nothing is done. Mr. Cromey responded there aze two trees there, and if the ovmer does not want
to remove those trees, there is not much he can do.
Mr. Strathman stated the inspector has the authority to give an ea-tension beyond October if the
owner is working on the problem. Mr. Sirathman suggests Mr. Cromey work with the inspector
and keep him informed.
Mr. Cromey stated he cannot do this financially. Unfortunately, responded Mr. Strathman,
finances are not a basis for ignoring a code violation.
Mr. Cromey asked why can't the neighbor get issued also. Mr. Stratl�man responded he cannot
tell the inspector to issue an order to the neighbor when it is the inspector's judgement to issue
the notice to Mr. Cromey's property.
Mr. Cromey stated he is an architectural designer and comes from the building trades. This
house would not have been built without the retaining wall to hold back the water. Mr.
Strathman responded a survey will cost him something, but it would be in his interest to prove it..
Gerty Strathman denied the appeal on the August 6, 2002, Correction Nofice. The inspector did
not make a mistake in issuing this; he exercised reasonable judgement.
The meeting was adjourned at 2:26 p.m.
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