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CO CIL RESOLUTION—GENERAL FORM
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WHEREAS, The Minnesota Poilution Control Agency held a pubiic hearing
on Chapter 34 WPC 34 in the State Office Building on February 4,. 1972;
and
WHEREAS, The Chief Engineer of the City of St. Paut presented a
statement at that hearing on behalf of the Public Works Department
which is attached to this resolution which statement is agreed to
by the St. Paul City Council ;
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, That the Council of the City of
St. Paul approves this statement presented by the Chi�f Engineer of
���"' the City of St. Paul at the hearing on the proposed :Chapter -34 WPC 34
on February 4, 1972.
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RICHARD A. SCHNARR C i T Y O F S A I N T P A U L GARY R. NORSTREM
Chief Engineer . . Deputy Commissioner
Capital of Minnesota
DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS
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ROGER M. CONWAY
Commissioner
February 10, 1972
To the Hon. Mayor and
Members of the City Council
St. Paul , Minnesota
Gentlemen and Madam:
On February 4, 1972, the undersigned became aware of a hearing on
the rules for the administration of the Municipal Facilities Assis-
tance Program and the Minnesota State Water Pollution Control Fund
at the State Office Building, this hearing being held by the State
of Minnesota Pollution Contro) Agency.
Because of the timited time available for action by the Council ,
the attached statement was made on behalf of the St. Pau1 Public
Works Department. It is our feeling that the statement would have
more effect if it were approved by the entire City Council . We
would, therefore, request the Council to approve the statement
delivered at the hearing on February 4, 1972, which is attached to
this letter.
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c ar A. Schnarr
Chief Engineer
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57ATE"IENT BY: ����`��
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RtCHARD A. SCNNARR, CHIEF ENGINEER
JEPARTP1ENT CF PUBL I C WGRY.S
CITY OF ST. PAU!
PRESENTED AT A HEARING ON THE PROPOSED Ar1ENDMENTS OF CHAPTER >4, WPC 34 ON
FEBRUARY 4, 1972.
I want to thank the Minnesota Pollution Control Agency for giving
the St. Paul Public Works Department an opportunity to be heard at this hearing.
The proposed Chapter 34 WPC 34 will have a tremendous impact on the
Water Pollution Abatement Program for the City of St. Paut as well as on the
4later Pollution Abatement programs for the metropolitan area and the entire
State of Minnesota.
The City of St. Paul is under a jo'int federal and state conference
recommendation to complete a Water Pollution Abatement program by 1979. This
program will cost a minimum of $89,000,000 and could run as high as $375,000,000
depending �upon the abatement method that the city is permitted to use. The
Minnesota Pollution Control Agency is currently requesting that the ctty sign
a stipulation providing that the city complete the abatement program by 1g7g
as provided above.
In addition to these expenditures which, incidentally, do not include
most of the local sewer construction required to alleviate under-capacity sewer
construction in residential areas, St. Paul still faces the other problems shared
by large cities such as housing, transportation, crime, air pollution and inadequate
educational facilities. These problems also have very expensive solutions.
Further to the multi-miltion dollar expenditure for water pollution abatement
tF�at St. Paul must make on its own must be added St. Paul 's share of the Netro-
poiitan Sewer Board's pollution abatement program and operating budget. For 1972
alone, St. Paul 's share came to $5,500,000 after reduction by the credits for
buy-back of facilities. Even with the 85 to g0°/, state aid these expenditures
� will be difficult to finance because of their magnitude. We, therefore, make
the following comments concerning WPC 34:
• (1) We agree with the specific requirement that all grants-in-aid
be divided between the metropolitan area and the out-state areas
on the basis of sewered population.
(2) We agree that the Metropolttan Counci ) and its Sewer Board should
determine objective criteria for determining priorities for grants
in the metropolitan area. The criteria, of course, shou}d be sub-
ject ta input by the various municipalities in the metropolitan
area and to hearings and subsequent publication.
(3) We urge the elimination of all provisions requiring the payback
of unused grant monies which have been or will be reallocated to
the metropolitan area. It is a known fact that grant monies from
the federal government ar� irretrievably lost if not used within -
the year that they are funded. The metropolitan area has a great
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"5ank" for quaranteeine federal grants in future years to
outstate communities �f �o are appaPently unprepared or unwilling
to solve their pollution problems within any year in the same
manner that the metropolitan communities are being required to do
so by the Pollution Controt Agency.
(4) A phrase used in tlie Chapter, "Ptio discharge of effluent" should
be carefully reviewed. Even the unrealisitc legislation now
pending in Washington is not that extreme; it has a goal of
zero discharge of pollutants by 1985. The intent of the MPCA
requirement of no discharge of effluent is not clear.
St. Paul and other communities within the metropolifian area need all the
heip they can get in order to provide for the pollution abatement being
required by the state and federal governments and no administrative rules
hindering an effective water pollution control program should be passed.
I want to thank you again for giving me the opportunity to be heard.
Richar N. Sc narr�
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STATEMENT BY: � d�"� ��
RICHARD A. SCHNARR, CHIEF ENGINEER
DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS
CITY OF ST, PAUL
PRESENTED AT A HEARING ON THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS OF CHAPTER ;4, WPC 34 ON
FEBRUARY 4, 1972.
I want to thank the Minnesota Pollution Control Agency for giving
the St. Paul Pubiic Works Department an opportunity to be heard at this hearing.
The proposed Chapter 34 WPC 34 will have a tremendous impact on the
Water Pollution Abatement Program for the City of St. Paul as well as on the
Water Poltution Abatement programs for the metropolitan area and the entire
State of Minnesota.
The City of St, Paul is under a joint federal and state conference
recommendation to complete a Water Pollution Abatement program by 1979. This
program will cost a minimum of $89,000,000 and could run as high as $375,000,000
depending upon the abatement method that the city is permitted to use. The
Minnesota Pollution Control Agency is currently requesting that the city sign
a stipulation providing that the city complete the abatement program by t979
as provided above.
In addition to these expenditures which, incidentally, do not include
most of the local sewer construction required to alleviate under-capacity sewer
construction in residential areas, St. Paul still faces the other problems shared
by large cities such as housing, transportation, crime, air pollution and inadequate
educational facilities. These problems also have very expensive solutions.
Further to the multi-million dollar expenditure for water pollution abatement
that St. Paul must make on its own must be added St. Paul 's share of the Metro-
politan Sewer Board's pollution abatement program and operating budget. For 1972
alone, St. Paul 's share came to $5,500,000 after reduction by the credits for
buy-back of facilities. Even with the 85 to 90% state aid these expenditures
will be difficult to finance because of their magnitude. We, therefore, make
the following comments concerning WPC 3�+:
(1) We agree with the specific requirement that all grants-in-aid
be divided between the metropolitan area and the out-state areas
on the basis of sewered population.
(2) We agree that the Metropolitan Council and its Sewer Board should
deterrnine objective criteria for determining priorities for grants
in the metropolitan area. The criteria, of course, should be sub-
ject to input by the various municipalities in the metropolitan
area and to hearings and subsequent publication.
(3) We urge the elimination of all provisions requiring the payback
of unused grant monies which have been or will be reallocated to
the metropolitan area. It is a known fact that grant monies from
the federal government are irretrievably lost if not used within
the year that they are funded, The metropotitan area has a great
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many problems, and it cannot be expected to function as a
"bank" for guaranteeing federai grants in future years to
outstate corr�nunities who are apparently unprepared or unwilting
to solve their pollution problems within any year in the same
manner that the metropolitan communities are being required to do
so by the Pollution Control Agency.
(4) A phrase used in the Chapter, "No discharge of effluent" should
be carefully reviewed. Even the unrealisitc tegislation now
pending in Washington is not that extreme; it has a goal of
zero discharge of poltutants by 1985. The intent of the MPCA
requirement of no discharge of effluent is not clear.
St. Pau1 and other communities within the metropolitan area need all the
heip they can get in order to provide for the pollution abatement being
required by the state and federal governments and no administrative rules
hindering an effective water pollution control program should be passed.
I want to thank you again for giving me the opportunity to be heard,
Richar . Sc narr
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. CITY OF ST. PAUL F�uNCa NO
' � , , V OFFICE OF THE CITY CLERK
COUNCIL RESOLUTION—GENERAL FORM
PRC3ENTED!Y
COMMISSIONER DAT�
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stat�nt at that t�w�ta� a� b�if ot tM �►11e 1b�ics O�p�rtw�nt
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COUNCILMEN Adopted by the Co��cil 19—.
Yeas Nays
Butler F EB 11 1972
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Levine
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Meredith ��
Sprafka a
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Mr. Preaident, McCarty
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