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Presented
Referred To
RESOLUTION
CITY OF SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA �p
Committee Date
BE IT RESOLVED, that the Council of the City of Saint Paul hereby certifies and approves the March 26,
2002, decisions of the Legislarive Hearing Officer on Property Code Enforcement Appeais for the following
addresses:
4 Property Ap eu aled Arooellant
5 543 Snelline Avenue South Mazk Misukanis
6 Decision: Appeal granted on the nonconfomung doors on the following conditions: 1) if the nonconforming
7 doors ever need to be replaced, they will be replaced with conforming fue rated door assemblies, 2) the building
8 will otherwise be maintained in compliance with all applicable codes and ordinances.
9
10 555 Wvomine Street East (Laid over from 1-8-02) Carl Schwagmeyer
11 Decision: Appeal denied on the LIEP (License, Inspections, Environmental Protection) letter dated November 29,
12 2001.
13
14 977 Fuller Avenue Cherie Eula Johnson
15 Decision: Laid over to a Special Legislative Hearing on April 30, 2002.
16 580 Snelling Avenue South Edward M. Conley for CCI Properties
17 Decision: Appeal granted on the nonconforming doors on the foilowing conditions: 1) if the nonconforming
18 doors ever need to be replaced, they will be replaced with conforming fire rated door assemblies, 2) the building
19 will otherwise be maintained in compliance with all appiicable codes and ordinances.
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Approving the March 26, 2002, decisions of the Legislative Hearing Officer on Property Code
Enforcement Appeals £or the following addresses: 543 Snelling Avenue South, 555 Wyoming
Street East, 977 Fu11er Avenue, and 580 Snelling Avenue South.
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PLANNING CAMMISSION
CIB CAMMITTEE
CIVIL SERVICE CAMMISSION
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OATE�NRIATW
March 27, 2002
GREEN SHEET
N� 113729
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RSONALSERViCE CONTRACIS MUSTANSWER iNE FOLLAWING QUESiSONS:
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Has this pe�swKrm e�er been a aty emPloYeeT
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YES NO
Is Uus peisoMUm a tarp�etl veMOR
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IFAPPROVED
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COST/REVENUE BUD6EfED (CIRCLE ON�
ACTNITY NUMBER
YES NO
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NOTES OF THE PROPERTY CODE ENFORCEMENT MEETING
Tuesday, Mazch 26, 2002
Room 330 Coutthouse
Gerry Strathman, Legislative Hearing Officer
STAFF PRESENT: Lany Ackerman, Public Works-Sewer Utility; Joel Essling, Code
Enforcement; Kris Kujala, Ramsey County Tas Forfeited Lands; Tom LeClair, LIEP (License,
Inspections, Environmental Protection);
The meeting was called to order at 133 p.m.
543 Snelling Avenue South
Gerry Stratlunan sent a letter to the owner with the following decision: Appeal granted on the
nonconforming doors on the following condirions: 1) if the nonconforming doors ever need to be
replaced, they will be replaced with confornung fire rated door assemblies, 2) the building will
otherwise be maintained in compliance with all applicable codes and ordinances.
555 Wvomin�Street East (Laid over from 1-8-02 and rescheduled from 4-23-02)
The following appeared: Carl Schwagmeyer, owner, and Tara Steenblock, both of 555 Wyoming
Street East. Ms. Steenbiock stated they haue submitted a petition to the City of Saint Paul. They
got five out of six signatures from the neighbars. The house is for sa1e. They have lost two
buyers because of this issue. They are waiting for the City to give them a bid in writing to pass
Co the buyers.
Mr. Strathman asked do they have any estimates as to the amount of the assessment. Ms.
Steenbiock responded they just have the verbal estimate from last time, which is about $24,000.
She did get an estimate from a contractor for hooking up to a private sewer. Mr. Schwagmeyer
added that estimate would be for a lift station to connect to the existing city sewer on Stickney
Street.
Ms. Steenblock asked if it was acceptable for them to schedule the contractor to come in. They
found out that if they paid for a private hookup to the sewer on Stickney and the City did install a
sewer in Wyoming Street, they would have to pay that assessment again.
Mr. Strathman sutmnarized: For Plan A, the City would put a sewer in Wyoming and the owners
would connect to that sewer; Plan B, the owner would connect to the sewer on Sticlmey, but she
is concerned that she will later get assessed to a connection on Wyoming. Ms. Steenblock
responded that is correct.
Lany Ackerxnan reported that his office received a petition about a month ago. They have sent it
to Real Estate. At tiris point, he is waiting for numbers. When the numbers are availabie, it goes
before the City Council three times. It may be midsuuuner before the work is scheduled or bid.
The work would probably not start until the fall.
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It terms of the owner's desire to know the cost to them, asked Mr. Strathman, when would that
information be available. Mr. Ackerman responded he cannot give hazd numbers yet. They hope
to haue something in the next few weeks. Real Estate does the assessments. As soon as he
knows what the assessment will be, he will give Mr. Strathman a call.
Mr. Strathman stated once they know the assessment amount, the owner can work with the
buyers and tell them when the sewer is coming, how much the assessment will be, and how much
the connection to the sewer will be. What they were dealing with initially is an order from the
City to connect to the sewer. He asked where that leaues the LIEP office. Mr. LeClair
responded this satisfies their needs. If the deal fa11s apart, another letter wiil be inifiated.
Gerry Strathman stated he will deny the appeal with respect to the order. The order is correct,
reasonable, and there is nothing wrong with it. This denial will not have any impact because Mr.
LeClair will not take enforcement action at this point. Mr. LeClair responded that is correct.
Mr. Strathman went on to say that the order has done a good thing because there may be a long
term solution to the problems in that azea. The City will not take any action against the septic
system as long as the solution is neaz.
Ms. Steenblock asked is it true about paying double. Mr. Ackerman responded it is set up that
way so people do not connect to a sewer other than what is in front of their house.
Ms. Steenblock asked will something be sent to her in writing. Mr. Ackerman responded yes.
Gerry Strathman denied the appeal with respect to the LIEP letter dated November 29, 2001.
977 Fuller Avenue
Richard Hawke, 2345 Rice Street #165, attorney for owner Cherie Eula Johnson, appeared and
stated the owner was not able to get off work today. They are not in disagreement about the need
for repairs. It is just the timing.
Gerry Strathman stated the first item on the notice of condemnation is the lack of an operable
hand sink and a lack of operable bathtub. Those aze required in Saint Paul for health reasons. He
asked if Mr. Hawke is proposing the client continue to live in the house without these items. Mr.
Hawke responded they have installed a sink in the bathroom. She has not addressed the bathtub.
If Ms. Johnson was able to afford living elsewhere while the repairs aze being made, he would
not be at this hearing. This situation has existed for quite a while. Because of the lack of
affordable housing, her family has been putting up with these circuxnstances. They are asking for
an eatension of two months. If this is not resolved in rivo months, there will be other problems
that will force them out of the property anyway. Once the City is cognizant of situations like
this, responded Mr. Strathman, it is difficult to ignore because of potential liability for not taking
action to remedy the situation.
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Joel Essling reported the original orders were issued in June 2001. She had installed a water
heater. That is the only thing she has corrected. In the orders from June 2001, he specified the
house would be condemned if the conditions were not corrected. Due to the items explained in
Mr. Hawke's letter--lack of title, ta�c problems--she may not be able to get financing to correct
the problems. They have given her nine months to conect the problems, and she has made a
good faith effort, but Mr. Essling is not seeing an end in sight, and he is concemed about the
liability.
Mr. Strathman asked is there a bathtub and a hand sink pxesent. Mr. Bssling responded he did
not have informafion about the sink, and he believes there is no shower or bathtub.
Mr. Strathman asked about the roof, plumbing, floor, and ceilings listed in the orders. Mr.
Essling responded the roof is severely deteriorated. Water is entering the bathroom and tluough
the first floor ceiling into the living room and the front porch. It is noticeable from the outside
and it is deteriarafing the ceilings on the inside. The leakage is the cause of a11 the other
problems.
Mr. Sirathman asked what it would take to repair the roof. Mr. Hawke responded Ms. Johnson
obtained a bid of $6,400. She also got bids of $18,000 to $19,000 for the interior damage.
Mr. Strathxnan asked how optimistic is he about the likelihood of the financing forthcoming. Mr.
Hawke responded that Ms. Johnson is working with a mortgage counselor from ACORN. That
counselor remains opfimisfic that Ms. Johnson will be able to qualify. The house is in her
grandmother's name. The probate hearing is April 23. They have a deed from her brother that
he is not interested in the house.
Kris Kujala reported her office still has an interest in the property. Ms. Johnson repurchased the
property and only has a contract-for-deed interest. She does not have title. She is in cancellation
right now and does not have much time.
Mr. Strathman asked when things start to happen with respect to her office and the contract-for-
deed. Ms. Kujala responded she wiil be sending informarion to the Ramsey County Attorney's
Office to start fmal cancellation, which would then run a 60 day clock on April 1.
Mr. Strathxnan stated some of these items can be overiooked, but he is having a hard time
looking past the lack of basic hygienic facilities. He asked is there anyfliing that can be done to
ensure the washing and bathing facilities are operative or is there a way she can get a grant, loan,
or gift to make sure she has the facilities for basic hygiene. Mr. Hawke responded he is not
awaze of any current programs. The house is not in Ms. Johnson's name yet. She has made
other arrangements for hygiene purposes. She came up with the money to install a hot water
heater, stated Mr. Hawke, although he cannot vouch for the venting. She purchased a sink so
there is hot and cold water in the bathroom as well as the kitchen. He hasn't inspected the
property himself, stated Mr. Hawke. There are some plumbing problems.
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PROPERTY CODE ENFORCEMENT NOTES OF MARCH 26, 2002 Page 4
Mr. Strathman stated he would like to see if this transaction with the courts will proceed
successfully and if they aze able to make their obligation with Rainsey County. The answer to
those questions should be cleaz within a month. He asked for Mr. Essling's assessment of the
level of risk that the City might be assuming if t�is situation continues for 30 days. Mr. Essling
responded if the sink is in place, it is just a matter of not ha�ing a bathing facility. They were
living in this house without a sink, bathiug facilities, and hot water since 1997.
Gerry Strathman laid over this matter to a Special Properiy Code Enforcement meeting of April
30, 2002. He requested that Mr. Essling do an inspection of the property before the Apri130
meeting.
580 Snelling Avenue South
Gerry Strathman sent a letter to the owner with the following decision: Appeal a anted on the
nonconforming doors on the following conditions: 1) if the nonconfornung doors ever need to
be replaced, they will be replaced with conforming fire rated door assemblies, 2) the building
will otherwise be maintained in compliance with all applicable codes and ordinances.
The meeting was adjourned at 2:08 p.m.
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Councii File # p� � ,1.�5
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Presented
Referred To
RESOLUTION
CITY OF SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA �p
Committee Date
BE IT RESOLVED, that the Council of the City of Saint Paul hereby certifies and approves the March 26,
2002, decisions of the Legislarive Hearing Officer on Property Code Enforcement Appeais for the following
addresses:
4 Property Ap eu aled Arooellant
5 543 Snelline Avenue South Mazk Misukanis
6 Decision: Appeal granted on the nonconfomung doors on the following conditions: 1) if the nonconforming
7 doors ever need to be replaced, they will be replaced with conforming fue rated door assemblies, 2) the building
8 will otherwise be maintained in compliance with all applicable codes and ordinances.
9
10 555 Wvomine Street East (Laid over from 1-8-02) Carl Schwagmeyer
11 Decision: Appeal denied on the LIEP (License, Inspections, Environmental Protection) letter dated November 29,
12 2001.
13
14 977 Fuller Avenue Cherie Eula Johnson
15 Decision: Laid over to a Special Legislative Hearing on April 30, 2002.
16 580 Snelling Avenue South Edward M. Conley for CCI Properties
17 Decision: Appeal granted on the nonconforming doors on the foilowing conditions: 1) if the nonconforming
18 doors ever need to be replaced, they will be replaced with conforming fire rated door assemblies, 2) the building
19 will otherwise be maintained in compliance with all appiicable codes and ordinances.
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Form Approved by City Attorney
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Approved by Mayor for Submission to Council
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Gerry Stratt�man, 266-8560
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Approving the March 26, 2002, decisions of the Legislative Hearing Officer on Property Code
Enforcement Appeals £or the following addresses: 543 Snelling Avenue South, 555 Wyoming
Street East, 977 Fu11er Avenue, and 580 Snelling Avenue South.
or
PLANNING CAMMISSION
CIB CAMMITTEE
CIVIL SERVICE CAMMISSION
o�. -�.RS
OATE�NRIATW
March 27, 2002
GREEN SHEET
N� 113729
tAIMB6t iOR
RWTING
RSONALSERViCE CONTRACIS MUSTANSWER iNE FOLLAWING QUESiSONS:
H36 }hi6 PQISOIIRIRtI ¢VM Ntlll(M UMIN 8 COnf2C� fOf a116 AEPaKRIEfII?
VES NO
Has this pe�swKrm e�er been a aty emPloYeeT
Y6 NO
ooes uxs ue�soMrm a�� a sau not namwbc�eed br em a,rtent atv emworee�
YES NO
Is Uus peisoMUm a tarp�etl veMOR
YES NO
Jain all ves answers on secarate sheet aM attach to areen shret
L'OUIiCIf
MAR 2 `" 2002
IFAPPROVED
OF TRANSACTION S
SOURCE
COST/REVENUE BUD6EfED (CIRCLE ON�
ACTNITY NUMBER
YES NO
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NOTES OF THE PROPERTY CODE ENFORCEMENT MEETING
Tuesday, Mazch 26, 2002
Room 330 Coutthouse
Gerry Strathman, Legislative Hearing Officer
STAFF PRESENT: Lany Ackerman, Public Works-Sewer Utility; Joel Essling, Code
Enforcement; Kris Kujala, Ramsey County Tas Forfeited Lands; Tom LeClair, LIEP (License,
Inspections, Environmental Protection);
The meeting was called to order at 133 p.m.
543 Snelling Avenue South
Gerry Stratlunan sent a letter to the owner with the following decision: Appeal granted on the
nonconforming doors on the following condirions: 1) if the nonconforming doors ever need to be
replaced, they will be replaced with confornung fire rated door assemblies, 2) the building will
otherwise be maintained in compliance with all applicable codes and ordinances.
555 Wvomin�Street East (Laid over from 1-8-02 and rescheduled from 4-23-02)
The following appeared: Carl Schwagmeyer, owner, and Tara Steenblock, both of 555 Wyoming
Street East. Ms. Steenbiock stated they haue submitted a petition to the City of Saint Paul. They
got five out of six signatures from the neighbars. The house is for sa1e. They have lost two
buyers because of this issue. They are waiting for the City to give them a bid in writing to pass
Co the buyers.
Mr. Strathman asked do they have any estimates as to the amount of the assessment. Ms.
Steenbiock responded they just have the verbal estimate from last time, which is about $24,000.
She did get an estimate from a contractor for hooking up to a private sewer. Mr. Schwagmeyer
added that estimate would be for a lift station to connect to the existing city sewer on Stickney
Street.
Ms. Steenblock asked if it was acceptable for them to schedule the contractor to come in. They
found out that if they paid for a private hookup to the sewer on Stickney and the City did install a
sewer in Wyoming Street, they would have to pay that assessment again.
Mr. Strathman sutmnarized: For Plan A, the City would put a sewer in Wyoming and the owners
would connect to that sewer; Plan B, the owner would connect to the sewer on Sticlmey, but she
is concerned that she will later get assessed to a connection on Wyoming. Ms. Steenblock
responded that is correct.
Lany Ackerxnan reported that his office received a petition about a month ago. They have sent it
to Real Estate. At tiris point, he is waiting for numbers. When the numbers are availabie, it goes
before the City Council three times. It may be midsuuuner before the work is scheduled or bid.
The work would probably not start until the fall.
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It terms of the owner's desire to know the cost to them, asked Mr. Strathman, when would that
information be available. Mr. Ackerman responded he cannot give hazd numbers yet. They hope
to haue something in the next few weeks. Real Estate does the assessments. As soon as he
knows what the assessment will be, he will give Mr. Strathman a call.
Mr. Strathman stated once they know the assessment amount, the owner can work with the
buyers and tell them when the sewer is coming, how much the assessment will be, and how much
the connection to the sewer will be. What they were dealing with initially is an order from the
City to connect to the sewer. He asked where that leaues the LIEP office. Mr. LeClair
responded this satisfies their needs. If the deal fa11s apart, another letter wiil be inifiated.
Gerry Strathman stated he will deny the appeal with respect to the order. The order is correct,
reasonable, and there is nothing wrong with it. This denial will not have any impact because Mr.
LeClair will not take enforcement action at this point. Mr. LeClair responded that is correct.
Mr. Strathman went on to say that the order has done a good thing because there may be a long
term solution to the problems in that azea. The City will not take any action against the septic
system as long as the solution is neaz.
Ms. Steenblock asked is it true about paying double. Mr. Ackerman responded it is set up that
way so people do not connect to a sewer other than what is in front of their house.
Ms. Steenblock asked will something be sent to her in writing. Mr. Ackerman responded yes.
Gerry Strathman denied the appeal with respect to the LIEP letter dated November 29, 2001.
977 Fuller Avenue
Richard Hawke, 2345 Rice Street #165, attorney for owner Cherie Eula Johnson, appeared and
stated the owner was not able to get off work today. They are not in disagreement about the need
for repairs. It is just the timing.
Gerry Strathman stated the first item on the notice of condemnation is the lack of an operable
hand sink and a lack of operable bathtub. Those aze required in Saint Paul for health reasons. He
asked if Mr. Hawke is proposing the client continue to live in the house without these items. Mr.
Hawke responded they have installed a sink in the bathroom. She has not addressed the bathtub.
If Ms. Johnson was able to afford living elsewhere while the repairs aze being made, he would
not be at this hearing. This situation has existed for quite a while. Because of the lack of
affordable housing, her family has been putting up with these circuxnstances. They are asking for
an eatension of two months. If this is not resolved in rivo months, there will be other problems
that will force them out of the property anyway. Once the City is cognizant of situations like
this, responded Mr. Strathman, it is difficult to ignore because of potential liability for not taking
action to remedy the situation.
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PROPERTY CODE ENFORCEMENT NOTES OF MARCH 26, 2002 Page 3
Joel Essling reported the original orders were issued in June 2001. She had installed a water
heater. That is the only thing she has corrected. In the orders from June 2001, he specified the
house would be condemned if the conditions were not corrected. Due to the items explained in
Mr. Hawke's letter--lack of title, ta�c problems--she may not be able to get financing to correct
the problems. They have given her nine months to conect the problems, and she has made a
good faith effort, but Mr. Essling is not seeing an end in sight, and he is concemed about the
liability.
Mr. Strathman asked is there a bathtub and a hand sink pxesent. Mr. Bssling responded he did
not have informafion about the sink, and he believes there is no shower or bathtub.
Mr. Strathman asked about the roof, plumbing, floor, and ceilings listed in the orders. Mr.
Essling responded the roof is severely deteriorated. Water is entering the bathroom and tluough
the first floor ceiling into the living room and the front porch. It is noticeable from the outside
and it is deteriarafing the ceilings on the inside. The leakage is the cause of a11 the other
problems.
Mr. Sirathman asked what it would take to repair the roof. Mr. Hawke responded Ms. Johnson
obtained a bid of $6,400. She also got bids of $18,000 to $19,000 for the interior damage.
Mr. Strathxnan asked how optimistic is he about the likelihood of the financing forthcoming. Mr.
Hawke responded that Ms. Johnson is working with a mortgage counselor from ACORN. That
counselor remains opfimisfic that Ms. Johnson will be able to qualify. The house is in her
grandmother's name. The probate hearing is April 23. They have a deed from her brother that
he is not interested in the house.
Kris Kujala reported her office still has an interest in the property. Ms. Johnson repurchased the
property and only has a contract-for-deed interest. She does not have title. She is in cancellation
right now and does not have much time.
Mr. Strathman asked when things start to happen with respect to her office and the contract-for-
deed. Ms. Kujala responded she wiil be sending informarion to the Ramsey County Attorney's
Office to start fmal cancellation, which would then run a 60 day clock on April 1.
Mr. Strathxnan stated some of these items can be overiooked, but he is having a hard time
looking past the lack of basic hygienic facilities. He asked is there anyfliing that can be done to
ensure the washing and bathing facilities are operative or is there a way she can get a grant, loan,
or gift to make sure she has the facilities for basic hygiene. Mr. Hawke responded he is not
awaze of any current programs. The house is not in Ms. Johnson's name yet. She has made
other arrangements for hygiene purposes. She came up with the money to install a hot water
heater, stated Mr. Hawke, although he cannot vouch for the venting. She purchased a sink so
there is hot and cold water in the bathroom as well as the kitchen. He hasn't inspected the
property himself, stated Mr. Hawke. There are some plumbing problems.
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PROPERTY CODE ENFORCEMENT NOTES OF MARCH 26, 2002 Page 4
Mr. Strathman stated he would like to see if this transaction with the courts will proceed
successfully and if they aze able to make their obligation with Rainsey County. The answer to
those questions should be cleaz within a month. He asked for Mr. Essling's assessment of the
level of risk that the City might be assuming if t�is situation continues for 30 days. Mr. Essling
responded if the sink is in place, it is just a matter of not ha�ing a bathing facility. They were
living in this house without a sink, bathiug facilities, and hot water since 1997.
Gerry Strathman laid over this matter to a Special Properiy Code Enforcement meeting of April
30, 2002. He requested that Mr. Essling do an inspection of the property before the Apri130
meeting.
580 Snelling Avenue South
Gerry Strathman sent a letter to the owner with the following decision: Appeal a anted on the
nonconforming doors on the following conditions: 1) if the nonconfornung doors ever need to
be replaced, they will be replaced with conforming fire rated door assemblies, 2) the building
will otherwise be maintained in compliance with all applicable codes and ordinances.
The meeting was adjourned at 2:08 p.m.
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