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272208 WPH�E _ FIN'A CE RK COUI1ClI /� /-J'J�Q CANARV - DEPARTMENT (1 e��E ,- MA�oR GITY OF SAINT PAUL File NO. �'"' � ��F�'`°`� . � � " ncil Resolution .. Presented By Refer o Committee: Date Out of Committee By Date i�HEREAS, in litigation pending on appeal to the Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit, there is at issue the apportionment of liability for payment of attorneys' fees of $5,000 - 8,000 to Planned Parenthood of Minnesota, the outcome of which matter is in doubt and subject to continuing controversy; and WHEREAS, the Council of the City of Saint Paul is desirous of settling and compromising that matter to achieve a final resolution of the matter, the main bulk of which has already been resolved by dismissal of the complaint; and WHEREAS, the Council finds that this settlement and the payment of public funds pursuant thereto is in the public interest and for a public purpose, and will terminate a divisive matter which affects the entire community; and � WHEREAS, the Citizens for Community Action has offered that it will pay the sum of $585.98 in costs if the City will pay the amount of $20,981 .22 in attorneys' fees and costs ; now, therefore, be it � �� :�.�,>�>�, �,' RtSOL'JED, �nat rhe Ci�y Councii accep�s the offer of settlement and compromise by the Citizens for Community Action as indicated, and authorizes the appropriate City officials to make payment of ! City funds in accordance therewith. � A��nsi�_�re� �n� Re-�?.��pte�? �v�r �r�t� o�' A'R�..VOr iea� \� P1�v� i � HozsE-- \ Hun!°-- � L \�Levina \'Maddox \�Showalter n r,z t C �C G • •�,i � !�� Tedesro COUIVCILMEN Requested by Department of: Yeas Nays , / ��8utler �� Hozza — In Favor Hunt�-� n �Levine _ r� __ Against BY �uitiwt �Showalter �Tedesco (!EC t 4 1978 Form Approved by City Attorney �Adopted by Co Date Certifie assed Counc� Secretary� BY :, �.lpproved by ate roved by Mayor for Submission to Council �- ✓ BY BY � ' CITY OF SAINT PAUL � -�j OFFICE OF TAE CITY COIINCIL � ��,. �/��a� �:e�.. l �� ■seeaf�ese s�rir�e LEONARD W. LEVINE Councilman M E M 0 R A N D U M To: Michael Sirian From: Councilman Leonard W. Levine Date: January 9, 1980 The City Attorney's office has informed me in response to a request by the City Development and Transportation Committee that there is no legal reason for further consideration of the resolution indemnifying city officials and employees named as defendants in the case entitled Planned Parenthood of Minnesota vs. the City of St. Paul . Accordingly, I would appreciate having this matter remo�ed from the listing of Matters Referred to Committee. Attachment cc: City Development Committee CTTY HALL SEVENTH FLOOR SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55102 612/298-4473 22 . - ' '°�°""" CITY OF SAINT PAUL � \�..�`trY o _-R'�'� F s'�''.. �'* ' '� OFFICE OF THE CITY ATTORNEY i° —•' y: ��° iii6�111�Ii a` ',;,�„�,� EDWARD P. STARR, CITY ATTORNEY ,e,. „ _ 647 City Hall, Saint Paul, Minnesota 55102 ,,,,..,:,,,,.,,.�„` 612-298-5121 GEORGE LATIMER MAYOR December 27, 1979 Councilma.n Leonard W. Levine Seventh Floor City Hall Saint Paul, MN 55102 Dear Councilman Levine: Your letter of December 26, 1979 regarding the Planned Parenthood lawsuit has been referred to me for response. You have inquired as to whether there is need for further consider- ation of a resolution indemnifying certain City officials and employees named as defendants in the Planned Parenthood suit. This ma.tter is now in the City Development and Transportation Committee. Please be advised that the suit titled Planned Parenthood of Minnesota, Inc. vs. City of St. Paul has been dismissed. It appears all matters, including payment of attorney fees, have been resolved. Therefore, there is no legal reason for further consideration of the resolution previously referred to the City Development and Transportation Committee. Yours very truly, � G�� O��GwZ-� %� , �� J HN PAUL MARTIN eputy City Attorney JPM:jr "l5J „ . : t _ k . _ _ ; . ;. , , -. . tr . . - .. . �.� `r � �. . , � - � � . . . .. �' . . . . . 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Z� WHITE - CITV CLERK PINK - FINANCE GITY OF SAINT PAUL Council � CANARY - DEPARTMENT 1 � BLUE -MAYOR � Flle NO. ouncil esolutio Presented By � L • Referred To � Out of Committee $y Date WHEREAS, following the passage of Council Resolution No. 267324, Planned Parenthood of Minnesota, Inc. served a Summons and Corr�laint upon the City of St. Paul , the Mayor, the City Council , then City Attorney Harriet Lansing and certain employees of the Building Department of the City of St. Paul , filed as Civil Action File No. 3-76-230, United States District Court; WHEREAS, the Mayor and Council persons, Hunt, Roedler, Levine, Tedesco and Butler have been named as defendants, individually and as members of the St. Paul City Council, and as a part of plaintiff's relief it is requested against said Mayor and Council persons judgment be entered awarding compensatory � and punitive damages and attorney's fees, costs and expenses; WHEREAS, the entire lawsuit is premised upon the allegation that Resolution No. 267324 is unlawful and unconstitutional ; WHEREAS, all actions of the defendants relative to the allegations in said Complaint were directly related to the hearings, deliberation and passage of Resolution No. 267324 and actions taken pursuant to said Resolution and were within the course and scope of the official duties granted to the City Council and the Mayor by law; WHEREAS the passage of Resolution No. 267324 was preceded by long and open deliberation, discussions and public hearings including lengthy oral and written arguments presented by many competent lawyers including the City Attorney; WHEREAS in the course of deliberating upon and passage of Resolution No. 267324 and actions taken pursuant thereto in defense of that Resolution the Mayor and Council persons and other city employees acted in pursuance of their official duties and without malfeasance and without willful or wanton neglect of duty; COUNCILMEN Requested by Department of: Yeas Nays Butler Hozza In Eavor Hunt Levine _ Against BY Roedler Sylvester Tedesco Form Approved by City Attorney Adopied by Council: Date Certified Passed by Council Secretary BY By Approved by 17ayor: Date Approved by Mayor for Submission to Council By BY �,_ _- WHITE - CITV CLERK PINK - FINANCE GITY OF SAINT PAUL Council � CANARY - DEPARTMENT BLUE - MAYOR � � Flle NO. Council Resolution Presented By Referred To Committee: Date Out of Committee By Date -2- WHEREAS, all actions taken by city officials and employees relative to Resolution No. 267324 and the lawsuit involved therein were taken with the purpose of serving what was thought to be the best interest of the City of St. Paul and its citizens; WHEREAS the Council does hereby find that it is fitting and proper for the City of St. Paul to indemnify the defendants for any judgment which may be rendered against said defendants in said lawsuit since to do otherwise would create an atmosphere of fear and anxiety within the minds of the city officials while acting in their official capacity in passing upon unique matters, such as in this case, involving great controversy and public disagreement; WHEREAS the Council finds that to not indemnify said city officials would result in inaction on many important and controversial matters since the city officials would be in constant fear of personal liability if they fail to exercise their duties in what they believe to be the best interests of the City and its citizens. NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF ST. PAUL: THAT pursuant to authority granted by law the City of St. Paul does hereby agree to indemnify and pay any judgments of any sort, including an award of compensatory or punitive damages and attorney's fees, costs and dis- bursements which may be entered against any and all of the city officials and employees named as defendants in the case entitled Planned Parenthood of Minnesota, Inc. vs. City of St. Paul , et al , Civil File No. 3-76-230. COUNCILMEN Requested by Department of: Yeas Nays Butler In Favor Hozza Hunt Levine _ Against BY Roedler Sylvester Tedesco Form Approved by City Attorney Adopted by Council: Date CertiEied Vassed by Councii Secretary BY By Approved by Mayor: Date Approved by Mayor for Submission to Council gy By ., r , . , ,,,,.,..,,,,,..�:,. =_��``t' °�.::,r C1TY OF SAINT PAUL _=r: a!:, 'a~ �i �� OFFICE OF THE CITY ATTORNEY ?� 'iiii�iii�ii! �' '`' `�� ^` SUZANNE E. FLINSCH, CITY ATTORNEY ,- „ _ ��''��,.,,'_��'��''� 647 City Hall,Saint Paul,Minnesota 55102 George Latimer 612-298-5T21 Mayor May 31, 1978 � . The Honorable George Latimer Mayor of the City of Saint Paul 347 City Hall & Courthouse . Saint Paul, Minnesota 55102 Dear Mayor Latimer: At your request, we have reviewed the attached draft resolution relating to the indemnif ication of the defendants in the Planned Parenthood case. "There are a number of legal questions raised by this resolution, which we und�erstand will be presented to the Council on Thursday, June 1, 1978. The f irst question is whether there is authority to pass such a resolution, and what standards should be applied by the Council in determining whether to. pass it. The second question is whether the Council is foreclosed by reason of per- sonal f inancial interest trom considering this particular reso- lution. At the outset, we should make clear that at the present time, with respect to all ma.tters pertaining to the Planned Parenthood litigation, the Office of the City Attorney does not represent the four Council members whose names appear on the proposed resolution. Since those persons are represented by counsel of �heir own choosing, we �nu.st restrict our advice and interpre- tations to those defendants we do in fact represent. (Whether, after the litigation is concluded, we could at that time advise all Council members as to the indemnification questions, would probably depend on the outcome of the case and any judgments or orders in effect at the time. ) However, that having been said, our advice in this letter reflects the state of the law as we see it, and not an argument or po- sition taken by an advocate as part and parcel of the litigation. .�.. � . J • Mayor Latimer Page Two May 31, 1978 � First, there appears to be clear authority for the City to "defend, save harmless, and indemnify any of its officers and employees, whether elective or appointive, against any tort claim or demand, whether groundless or otherwise, arising out of an alleged act or omission occurring in the performance of duty." Minn. Stat. � 466.07, Subd. 1. We have attached a copy of the �Dou �las case, as you requested, which decision dealt with a somew�iat similar indemnification statute for police officers. " Dou las v. Cit of Minnea olis, 304 Minn. 259, 230 N.W.2d 577 . See Minn. tat. 1.45 . ) We believe that case, and the standards it sets for municipal determinations on in- demnification cases, would be applicable here. Without going into a detailed analysis of the Dou las case, the Council must determine that indemnification is in t e best in- _ terests of the inunicipali.ty and the gublic based on all the facts and circumstances of the case. The Council may consider such factors as whether the officials acted in good faith; whether . the morale of other similarly situated employees inight be sig- nificantly affected by its action or inaction; and any other factors which would be reasonabZy relevant and helpful. However, indemnification could not be granted if the actions of the of�i�ials involved were not in the performance of duty; if such actions constituted ma.lfeasance in office; or if such actions constituted wilful or wanton neglect of duty. The second question is whether the Council is foreclosed by reason of personal financial interest from considering the reso- lution in its current form. We believe that the Council is prohibited from consideration of the proposed resolution by reason of that interest. Ordinance No. 16391, passed by the Council January 19, 1978, and approved by the Mayor on January 20, 1978, provides tha� no public official (which by definition includes councii members) shall vote on or participate in discussing any action or decision in which the official has a conflict of interest. Conflict of interest is def ined as any action or decision "substantially affecting financial interests." "Financial interest" is any interest which shall yield directly or indirectly a monetary or other material benef it. The only practical way th is issue can be brough� before the Council, given that ordinance, is for the presentation and con- sideration of separate resolutions for each council member, . . � Mayor Latimer Page Three May 31, 1978 . from which consideration such council member can and must ab- stain and follow the other procedures set forth in Ordinance No. 16391. However, it is also our view that each such resolu- tion would create a conflict of interest for the other affected council members, urrless langua�e were added to each such reso- lution that the "save harmless protection a�plied only to the proportionate or pro rata share of attorneys fees or damages which that particular defendant would have to pay if awarded. Otherwise, it would be potentially in the benefit of a voting ' council member to award full inder�mity to one other member (who would then, of course, be executed against by the plaintiffs to the exclusion of the others) . As the resolution stands now, we would have to advise those Council members who are our clients in the Planned Paren�hood litigation, who are exposed to possible damage or fee awards, . that they should refrain from voting on it on the basis of conflict of, interest on their part. Under Ordinance No. 16391, you as Mayor are also a public official by definition. As such you are required to refrain from participating in a decision as to which you have a conflict of interest. As a defendant who is exposed to possible dama.ge and attorneys ' fees award you would not be able to approve the resolution as it stands now. We do not here express an opinion as to whether it would be per- missible to take no action an this or any set of individual resolutions, and �hus let them become effective without your signature. We do advise you that this particular resolution, should it be adopted by the Council, is legally defective and would be appropriate for the exercise of the veto power. A properly drafted resolution for each Council member could be lawful, depending upon all the facts and circumstances. If individual resolutions are prepared, all Council members should avoid discussions outside the open meetings of the Council, and should avoid making agreements which would create the possi- bility of conflict of interest in violation of the ordinance. Mayar Latimer Page Four � May 31, 1978 Any Council action on this question is judicially reviewable under the standards in Douglas. . Yours very truly, �',� �-��-----' - _�..._ _ ' SUZANNE E. FLINSCH Cit Attorney � ' � . � PHILIP . BYRNE Deputy City Attorney PBB:jr cc: Ruby Hunt ' David Hozza � Robert Sylvester attachments (3) � :_ � _ : �":= -� VI "I'Y OF �.'� � 1T �'' _ .._. __ . _ , � _� L L ��!� N o. '�. ' � ' • � ; !�, ;,. ` j� ��.�� °5��.�'-�� , � � � � � ,� . ,� �� ':��a'�d 6� _ � �'--_ � i %' ' �� ✓ � ��.: �,9.t.�� %�-�, ^- / '�r� 1 y � a � � ��-__,�«_s� �2!C..°_G� �O �� / ✓� � � .......,..�...,... :1 .�a'?° '�-'�"� C�i: uf Com�,itt°� �� Date l�i�cR�AS, �ollowing the passage of Council Resolution �lo. 2b7324, PlannQd . Par�n L:�ood or Mi nn�so�, Inc. served� a Surr�►ons and- Compl ai nt upcn i,he Ci ty or S�. °�ul , the i�ayor, thn. Ci�y Counci 1 , then Ci ty� Attorney Harri z i Lansi ng and � . ce r;.��n �,�np7 oyees o� the� Bui 7 d�ng Deparu;�ent o-F tne Ci ty o� St. Pau7 , fi 1 ed as C:vi: �c�i on Fi 1 n ��o. ?-76-230, Un-i ted Sta�es Di stri ct Cour�; � • � � !��Rc?.S, �'r:z Mayor ar,d Counci 1 persons, hunt, Roed1 er, Lzvi ne, Tedesco �^� 9��1 er h�ve be�n nar,ed as detendan�ts, i ndi vi dual ly and �s members of- the � ��. Fzul Ci�ty Councl i , znd� as a par�t of pl ai nt i rf's re1 i ef i t. i s requested � � ��ai rsz sa�d ��ycr and Counci 1 persar,s j udgr:�nt bn ent�red awardi ng compensa�ary -- . -.,:-_ _ . � an� �c:�i�i�� dar�ges and. atforney's� Tees, costs Gna expens�s; - . . _ := . _ . _ _- . . . � . . . . .. �. � - � . ��'.Y'' . Wn"��S�, �.�e- e��:re��lawsulL '.�s premised t,�on tne allegation �ha� Resolutlort. .=�'::.�'.:': � ��o. 257324'i s ur,7��;ul and unconsti tu�ti onal ; . _ • - . - . . '�� . � - -� . - - - ��-�" - � : -�� . � . : - _ _ . 1�iN�R�1`..5; a�1 act;or�s of �he ^defendants rc:i uti ve to the a7 i ega�i orrs i n sai d � = - � - C�,�;07?�r.� were d i rec�7y rz i a�ed �o t�e heari n gs; c?e1 i berat�on and pa�sa�e of - - -=. R�soiution F��. 257324 -�n3 ac�io��s 1�ken pur�uant to said Res�lu-tion and ��er� � � wi��i n the co�rse and scop2 of �he o i Ti ci al duti es gran�.�d to the Ci�y Caunci 1 � �r:d i,'-�� 1�!ayar by ]a��; : , _ , � : � � _ . 1riHEREA.S t�:z passage of .Reso�uti on No. 2573[4 was prec�d?d by 1 ong and open � Ceiib=_ratian, d�sa.:ssions �and pub7ic hearings including lengja.hy ora7 and. writien � _ a'rs�.�r�nts przser��d by nany c�mn2 knt 1 awyers i nc�udi ng the Ci iy Attorney; . . . - . . . . . . . . . - .: - .��_..-:_:- . !�'HE�E�S i n thz cours��ot:-del i berati ng u�ori ar!d passage oT Resol ution� No. - ''�- = 2�i 3'L- and aczi ons iaken purs��ant `�herezfl i n derense of that R2so1 uti on t h e M a y o r ��=`�: == ar:d i,�unci 1 persons and ott�er ci ty empi oye�s acte� .i n pursuance GT tn�i r offi c7 a7 � -- ' � . duL-;�s ard wi�hovt �;�alfea5ance and without willfiul or ��an�on neglect of du�y; . . : - ' . � : . � . - � �. , . . . - . - _ - . _ � . � . � . . = ::� � � := . - _ ;'�-- : : :. . � . . . • . . _ . --:�_=. _ _ . . . . � .. . _ - =,-;;_::: CCUtiC?L:tEY:. 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Cor�r�i tte4: Date Oui o� Comr�ittee B,y Date . . -2- .�rc��AS, a7 i act7ons tzke� by ci ty offi ci a7 s and �:np1 oye�s re1 ati v� to � P.�s�iuiion No: 267324 an� the lawsuit involved cher2in wzrz taken wi�i the purpase o; s�rving wh�t was znough� �o be the best �nteresi, oT the Ci�y o� Si,. Pau7 and i�s ci�iz�ns; � . .. . . _ .. : : ►•:.-�cR;AS zhe Co�nci 7 �oes hereby �i nd that i t �s �i�ti rg and prop2r rar thz Ci ty o� S L. Paul to i n��rrni sy the de�endants for any judc„�n� whi�n r:�y be r�nderzd agai�st said defendznts . in said laws��t sinc� �o do o�nenaise would cr�a� an . a��s�i;ere=of=:rear and anxi�zy wi�hi n the mi nds of the c�ty ofr"�ci al s wf�i 1 e-acti ng .. - - : �;� �.n�ir� or;.icia7 - capaclty .ir�. passing uporr unique n�a�t�t�s, such�as in.this �� . - cas�, i rvo��yi rg. great-.con�roversy;and pubi i c di sagreemen�; - . .� - --_... . . . , ..,..�:•. .. ...'.'y� ''. ��. _ " � . - ' . . ' . . •:,� • . . ' ' . � ' ..r: . JI.�' ' . . . . . . _ �.4 �.! � • l•,riER�AS"`ti��. Counc�7- � i nds=that�ta� noi i ndemrii fy sai d ci ty or�f c�a1 s. waul d�� = '=� .�.:.�_ _ resu7t in ��inaction� on r►�ny ._iroor'r.��t�and conirnvers�a7 r,�t�2rs since �;�e• city -_ _ _ a,"�icia7s-wouid b��n canstant fear of- personal iiabili Ly it they T�i7 to � � - � = � ex�rc;s� zhe�r. duii�s�.i n wnat they :bel i�ve to bE .the� bes� i n�res'-,.s of the � � -- � ' Cizy �nd its �citizens. �. � _ : _ - - . . - - . . - : - . . t , : -. .. . - . .. . • . -. - . . .. _ ;lOW�THLREFOR£ B�. IT �RtSOLVED�BY ��-1-iE CITY COU;VCIL 0� THc CITY CF ST. PAUL: - � T�,AT-�pursuan� �to�au�hori ty;�granted by 1 aw .the Ci�y o� S�, Pau7 do�s� � - h�rnby agree:to i ndemni fy��and�.pay� an,y j udgrr2n�s of any sort, �nclud�ng�an � _ award of cQ,�mensaiary: or.. puni ti vz dar,�ages and ati.orney�s ;�s, . cos i s and dis- - : burse+r.en�s.wnich rr,ay be: ent�red agains�. any and- a�7 of the city aT�icia7s and � = � � enpl oyees named as deTe�aa7�s _i n.�.tne ca�e enti tl ed P7 anned Par�n�nood o; Mi nnesota, :":`a �'.-. Inc. vs. City_:of St.� Paul ; �et a�t;":CivTl Fi�e No, 3-75-23Q. - - - . - . - � ' - � • ; ;.. _ . . � :.�., . . . . _ . . -. . • -• �;�`. . .=:i..:- ,:.'_,.�" _ . . . _ • - i�:i . . ,-{: " _ ' - . � ",r.� �:�.?r�=.� � . - - •_ - - • . - .. - . :s�- � �� • •� * = �.-'.r _ . ., . . • .. . . . '_•s-F'_ . _ - . �- - =�a. . �i-' • . . _ , . _ � :.i'' • • _. - . . ' ' . ' -"'�i.�%' . _ y • � _ :�' �;�r... � _ ' . " � . . . . . s:�'�.��• ' . ... . . - . � - . "� T ' »*. • _.. . � . • � -�Z.�. ' ' . .a ' . � a .A�♦ � = . '• ' . ' � .i.`' . . � � ' � . . . �� - . . . . . ' '��.� � • . ' �-f. • . . . . • � , ' . . "' .•�y�= _ . y . ._ . " � . �i..-t : . _ � _ _ . ' •'• .s=;�JX'�. ' l.Ol�ri`I l.t�.r1�l�.y:y. .�4'=,.. __ �:�•%�=.e »'i i _ _'i.s-% _ . • _ _ � _� ".- . 'eas• � , •Nays'� �- . �y= ,=�Y� - R��sted by Department oE: _ _ � ' -'';�„ - �u�ie� _ 2 '�_ ,. � "r�' : _ . • . _ - `. . •� '_''- _ ' ��`•.. . . . _ . t. . 7'� , � '� • �� 0223 _ , -- -- . . - � ji2 F2VOf' -� ' ' . .°�. � ' - Hunt " .. - . , _ _- , - � - . . - _ ��. Levine - '._ . . . � - - •- Ag2inst� gy -. . - • - • - -�`:- �ozdl�r . � :- • ". - _ . " ' ' - ' S::v-ster • . _ -. . ,_ �: - - " . , ' - - _. ' . ' � � ' _ - . ?�_�sco �.. - • _ _ '' ... ' ' • • ' • - -- - - - - Fo�n ApQrov�a by City Atbrney -- - ! :,`��ptEd �y Cocncil= - ; Date - .__ '_ • . .. .. - . . • . _. = ~.., • • . _ .-..• . _. . - . - • � - '.. . '- . er,ified P�ssEd by Co�:ici} SeCrerary-. - - _ - _ . S . . - _ .. ' � .- -�_ . . . . - y . E�, . , . . ,-_ . : . . .-.�._ : . : , . : ��ro�e� �_: '.1-,�•or. Da,o '' � • • • �- Approved by '.fayo: for Suc-ission Lo Co�::cit . • Hp • _ . . . . • --• . I�y. • - • � � ' . . _ _ - ., . - -. ' ' . : � • � P��K `._:-.:.N�E (`�Y��_ CiITY OF ►SA I I\'T PAUL F le ci1N0.°� ��' � y� ��►MI�HV'- „!�AqTMEN': 9LUF -- MA�'O� � • . . , ,r � ' � . . � .. � � �� Ordin�nce Ordinance N0. r� � ' _.{ � �� .,- . . pi , ,`• c�.c. -�c. L.. resented By � Referred To Committee: Date Out of Committee By Date Aa ac�ainistrativ+� ordfaance establi a cac�e of eth.i.cs €or public of€icf.als of �he Cit� Saint Paul. :- TSE Cf�3riTCII. �F 3'� CZ3'Y OF SAIN'2 PAUL D{}ES �ZIlAI2Q: Section 1. Polic . 3'he �.blfc judges �ts gaver�.t bp the �p f�s pubi#..c a��TZs aad emplayees cvac�Ct theffiselves in Lhe posts to �,rhich t�iey are eleci:ed c:r apgointed. Cit� c:fficials � hold positf.oas of public trust under the scrut�t .af public opfn- . fon, and their actio3as must be above suspicioa. The public has a right to expect that city officials and emgloyees will coaduct thenselv+es in a manner that will preserve public canfidence fa and resgect far gover�nent. Ia order to c.ant#�ue �he pvbifc confid�ce �ad the integritg af gov��A�tal officials ��c2 to promote trust of the people in the abj ectiv�ty of their pub].ic servants� thf.s �ode af Ethics for gublic of�iciais of the City . of Safnt P�zil. f.s adopted� Sectian- Z. I�finitfons. Z�e terms used ia this ordiasn�e are hereby def as o oLrs: . - � . . , \ A. AssociatioYt. Business, corporatiaa, ffrm, partaership, Ii.r�ited partner p; cc3umittee, la�or argsnizativa, ciub, or sny ather group of twa or mo=e persans, which includes more thaa sa i.�ediate family, acti� ia cvncert. � B. Busfaess vaith �ich Bn individu�al. is $ssociated. Aay association ia co�naecticrn u� z e v� s co�ensated ia excess af Fiftp Dollars ($54) e�c�pt for actual �nd reasas�iable expen.ses fn aay r..�nth as a director, off#.cer. r�er, mem�er, psrtner, COUI�CII,,IIEI�1 Requested by Department of: Yeas I�avs Butler - Hozaa In Favor _ _ Hunt Roedler Against BY Svh•ester �� Form Approved by City Attorney Adopted by Council: Date Certified Passed by Council Secretary BY By . Approved b5• �ta}'or: Date Approved by Mayor for Submission to Council By BY . r . �\ , ... ��+. .^ -` ' �� J i ; - , �-� � � � . • �C:' '_;C� � Page 2. , ' etnployer or employee, or is a holder of securities worth Two Thousand Five Hundred Dollars ($2,500.00) or more at fair market value. C. Financial Interest. Any interest which shall yield, directly or in zrect, y, a monetary or other ma.terial benefit (other than duly authorized salary or compensation for services to the city) to the public official. D. Public official. Includes: (1) members of the city council and their appointed aides; (2) the mayor and the mayor' s appointed assistants and aides; Section 3. Conflicts of Interest. Subdivision 1. Any public official w o in t e isc arge of official duties would be required to take an action or make a decision substantiaZl.y affecting financial interests or those of a business with which the off icial is associated shall take the _following actions: (a) Prepare a written statement describing the ma.tter requiring action or decision and the nature of the conflict of interest. (b) Copies of the statement shall be delivered ' as follows: (1) Councilmembers sha11 deliver statement to the president of the city council. (2) The mayor shaZl deliver statement to ' the city clerk and president of the city council. (c) If a conflict of �interest presents itself and there is insufficient time to deliver a written statement as required herein, the ' public official shall verbally advise the proper person or body of the potential con- flict. A written statement shalZ then be delivered to the proper person or body within one week after the conflict presents itself. • + �j` � � _( t ` � � . 1 Cr "'�.i/ Page 3. Subd. 2. The public official who has a conflict of interest as def ined in Subdivision 1 above shall refrain from voting on or otherwise participating in the action or decision with which there is a conflict of interest. Section 4. Sta�ements of Economic Interest. Subdivision 1. An individual sha ti e a statement o economic interest with the city clerk. � (a) within ten (10) days of accepting employment as � a public official; or (b) within fourteen (14} days after filing an � affidavit of candidacy or petition to appear on the ballot for an elective public office; or (c) in the case of a public official requiring the advice and consent of the city council, prior to the submission of the official' s name to the city council; and if there is insufficient time to file the statement before the name is submitted to the city council, within ten -(10) days after the duties of the oftice are undertaken. Subd. 2. Any off icial who nominates or employs a public official required by this section to file a statement of economic interest shall notify the city clerk of the name of the individual required to file a statement and the date of the nomination o= coc3c�.encement of employment. Subd. 3. The city clerk shall notify by registered mail any candidate for elective otfice who fails, within fourteen (14) days after f iling for office, to submit a statement of econornic interest required by this section. A candidate who �anowingly fails to submit a statement of economic interest within seven (7) days after receiving notice from the city clerk is guilty of a misdemeanor. - Subd. 4. A statement of economic interest required by this section shall be on a form prescribed by the� city clerk. The individual filing shall provide the following information: (a) I��ame, address, occupation and principal place of business; . � . � D ' � � r . , � _ ' ' ' I(� ',j" ,� � Page 4. , (b) The name of each business with which the individual is associated and the nature of that associati on; � and (c) A listing of all real property within the city, excluding �omestead property, in which the individual has a fee simple interest, a contract for deed, an option to buy, or any other financial interest, whether direct or indirect, and which interest is valued 'in excess of Two Thousand Five Hundred Dollars � ($2,500.00) . The filing shall indicate the location of such property. Subd. 5. Each individual who is required to file a statement of economic interest shall file a supplementary statement on April 15 of each year. . - � � - . r ' _ �.E ��=�-c�.,:..•f .-,iv�,s•�,9 �� ...�� „--...�1:��*-�•-��—.�.F . Subd. 6. All public officials in office on � , �.� shall file with the city clerk a statement o economic inter- est within ten (10) days after the date the City Clerk issues . statement of economic interest forms. ' Subd. 7. Any public official, except elected officials, who is required to file a statement of economic interest and fails to do so by the prescribed deadline shall be suspended without pay by the city council. Any person who is suspended pursuant to this provision is entitled to the procedural rights afforded to em- ployees in the classified service of the city. Section 5. P�enalt far False Statements. A statement re- quired to be file y section� s all� e�signed and certified as true by the person required to file the report. Any person who signs and certifies to be true a report or statement which he knows contains false information or who lrnowingly omits required information is guilty of a misdemeanor. . Section 6. Remedies. Subdivision 1. The city attorney may seek an injunction in istrict court to enforce the provisions of this ordinance. ` Section 7. Savings Clause. If any part of this ordinance shall be hel�d to �-unconstitutional or otherwise illegal, such unconsti�tutionality or illegality shall not affect the validity of remaining parts of this ordircance. . .' . .. `E�K . .. . . . . � I,�'EN. CounciI '"' ( �, ".^� c CITY OF SAINT PAUL File NO. '�`�'� ' '� '� ��' . 1/ - , Orc�in�nee Ordinance TIO. /�c �%C� � . . , :sented By • Referred To Committee: Date Out of Committee By Date ` Page 5. • Sectioa 8. Codificati�. Th.£s ordix�.ance shall be �eemed ta be a part of the a�i.�t��ci.�nini.strative Code and shali be in- cor�orated thereizt and giv�n an �ppropriate chapter �d/or secticra a�ber at the ti� of the next revision of said A�inistrative Code. Sect�oa 9. Effective Date. This ardinance shall t�.ke e£fect " an.d be �.n farce ,�zrty ays fron End after �ts passage, approv�I. and publicatfon. COUNCILIIEN Requested by Departnent of: teas Nays ' Butler � Houa � In Favor Hunt . L.cvinc � B Roedler Agaittst Y Svlvester �'o 1g78 Form A¢pr �ed by City Attorney ' ldoptcd b�• Council• ' Date �*+�� S g- ' . . �� .�. . '' � - 'er:i(ied Passed � • - ..�_ :.. .-"�• -�-- • by Council Secretary Y� 8p . ` �) `r�GO��`� �� ay'�T� Date ►��iT� ,��_ Approved by biayor for Submissian to Council By� - BY . j..,.,►,t .-.r:..�.�.-- -- - - - ,;"":" -.�.�'�yr!s? sr� . . _ �';��,:E_E�""-��'-' �.� �. . �. . . .a«„�c..� �. DOliGLaS v. CITY OF 3IINNEAPOLIS �finn. rj77 - �,�, Cite as 230 N.W.2d 577 - ~--�.�t-� -' anted tem orary custod of the � � ��'�°�; h� been gr P Y [3,9] The original decree of adoption :��:w�. The children wish to be able to also served to terminate the -"�`�'' �€ childcen. parental rela- _ r:�,;;� :v�*+:s+-,r. � ' )��; to their legal father for financial sup- tionship of the natural father. i�linn.St. :'��;=,;s - " port; it surely cannot be in their best inter- 259.29. Thus, if the trial court vacates bir. "` '-��'`-�.� `� � �.�.�:�� ,� pb to have that avenue of support termi- alle's adoptive status, the status of the ; "�`J;� ns� We hold, therefore, that �Sinn.St. natural father must .also be determined s = ��' - �;0�1(a) v�•as not available to terminate If bir. Alle's adoptive status is voided,the �;. '� -` Jir. �11e's Paz'ental relationship with his trial court must determine, first, whether �� apted sons. the natural father was a party to the fraud � '� �� (5,6) We think, however, that the con- Perpetrated upon the court, and, secondly, Q siderations relied upon by the trial court to if so, whether it be in the best interests of �' ^� ' ;.,.< justify the termination might more logically the children to have their parental relation- � . ' apply to a direct attack on the adoption ship with their natural father restored. If _; procezding itseif. Although the actioti is a the trial court so holds, those rights and _ '"` there is nothing to prevent a court obligations may be re-established. It is axi- _:�• = �'�' rare oae, , _ of competent jurisdiction from directly va- omatic that no party may claim reliance on �� _ his own fraud. _ '�-'�` - • a cating an order of adoption under proper �` .� circumstznces, as where entry of the decree Accordingly, we reverse the decision be- y* � � was brought about by fraud,misrepresenta- low and remand this matter to the juvenile �"` tion,or undue influence? Phillips v. Chase, court for proceedings not inconsistent with - 203 \Iass. ��6, 89 N.E. 2049 (1909); Arnold this opinion. �<=� � v. Howell, 98 Cai.App.2d 202, 219 P.2d 8� Reversed and remanded. . . �� . � �~y;-' . (19�0); State ex rel. Bradshaw v. Probate �`��; - � Court, ?`�.a Ind. 268, i3 N.E.2d 769 (1947); W t ��,,,�� - - Buttrey v. West, 2L Ala. 321, 102 So. 456 o S xErnuNBER5r5iEM . �>-3+=s (192�); County Dept. of Public Welfare v. j __.�-�w 3lorningstzr, 123 Ind.App. 688, 151 N.E.2d - " �F. 150 (19�8); 2 Am.Jur.2d, Adoption, § 76. � �`'�� `'� �""^-� See, generally, Annotation, 2 A.L.R.2d 887, � ,3?` Bruce C. DOUGI.AS, etc., Appellant, � §§ 2, 8, 11; cf. Minn.St. ?59.30. . �'"'�� q.�� v. r�.�''.�{` � : . �ys,�, Y'1A"R^'f.� [i] To be sure, there is a great policy CITY OF hSINNEAPOLI5, et � �'��"�f°`r concern in making adoptions conclusi�•e and ��'� al., Respondents. � .'°'.,,;;.�-. • �nal. �'e�•ertheless, if l�ir. alle is able to �. No. 45093. � -�.�� a sufficiently demonstrate that the original ��.,;_ r adoption decree was obtained fraudulently, Supreme Court of blinnesota. , ��' then he should be entitled to relief. That =�-�-� '' Ma 30 1975. �`�° .- relief may consist of a direct vacation of at y � . �......_ - least that part of the adoption decree that : �'� � � estabtished the legal rights and obligations Action was brought by taxpayers -�1--�� -�y"-._. +. of l�tr. Alle with respect to these children. against city, its aldermen, its city treasurer >-.:�''�� "R=y��: =t.;<a � 2 Counsel for Mrs.Alle correctiy argues that adoption proceeding in a coltateral proceed- '�==-'';��c� '�1?:�� an adoption decree may not be subsequenuy ing. This is different, however, than direct- - ' coilaterally attacked by a party to the ly atcacking the decree on the ground that it � _ adopcion proceeding. Kenning v. Reichel, was originaIly fraudulentty obtained. -.sY�T'��-�' 148 Minn. 433, 182 N.W. 517 (1921); 2 Am. - - - Jur2d, Adoption, 6§ 68, 72; Note, 36 Minn. 3. Since the natural father had a statutory I'��--�::�.�;: LRev. 383. Once the adopiive parencs in- right ta be given nctice of and be heard at -'�:,;�.,,�: voke the powers of the coutt, ob[ain the the original adoption hearing(Minn.St.259- -•�•--�-�--:�� .��_ dec;ee they ask for, and take the child into 26, subd. 1), it follows that he should be •�;:�.y7►' �. [he family, they are subsequentiy barred entitled to be given notice and to be heard - =:�a� �£ '� from denying the legality and validity of the when the decree is subsequently actacked. .=,�.._ :,�� -'-:�;,� IJO N.W2d-13 . '_ '.'� � - -. ..��y�'_ • � �t..rr,,. _ .l:y"< ' - _ , . . . -=n`�`"','Z . - - '.�` �x , _ .�. k -+_,3 y.�...... � � - ., _. , ,-.- -�c' .. .: — � S ' �` . �.."'L�` , .. -- - _ .S 'T� ,T �. � _ �_`^ '�.; . . . �"��-. _ _ . _ . -. . . �--63.'fi'S`'. . ' . _ ' . . ' � y� . � . . . ...� _ �.-.. .. . _ . ._�--. . .. ' ... . _._ . . ._ . — _ . . - ... . . -. _ ..,i,• F�i ' .t "' � . .. ._'-�'.__,��.�rripG:� -�'ZW��"'�y'y _ :f x�� { �� : ��, � 57$ ,l1inn. 230 NOftTH V1'ESTERti REPORTER, ?d SERIES - " �ti� ir�' . - � �f}i��s j and others seeking to enjoin city from pay- pa}'ment by municipality of a.jud�,mr: ; ��1 �: � t ; � !1 +{� ing judgments entered against city police rzndered against a municipal officer, mu- i ��; ��i officers in civil rights action brought in nicipality could reach one determinat �on __ 4 ,*<i �� federal district court_ The District Court, based upon the facts, and federal couct, in ' ' 't# � Hennepin County, Crane �Vinton, J., en- civil rights action against a municipal offi. '' ��i± �� tered summa ud "� t ;' j'j j� ry j gment for defendants, cer, could reach another determination. .�? :� ; ��i i! and taxpayers appealed. The Supreme L.S.C.A. § 19a'3; :�i.S.A. § 471.15, � -_�3�;,i�� Court, bf acLaughlin, J., held that munici- j t j � , 4. 1lunicipal Corporations a860 � ; _�;�_�•! ( i pality s exercise of discretion, under grant - z `��Z;� �� } `. of authority found in statute, to pay jud Fin dings o f fe deral court, in civi] rignts � F i�� ' `: g action against citr police officers, �•ere one , ..�� i:j;f ; ; ment rendered against police officer or mu- factor w}:icn governing body of cit}' could �s � :: - �( ; nicipal employee is subject to judicial re- ;� �j�:.. � � � *�:i:.f':`;� ' • �iew, that such review is limited to deciding take into consideration in exercising its. � � `-�'�s 1;��•. broad discretion undec statute perr.iitting �- � ';;:�s.::: �chether determinations of municipality's � :�;};i;i:� city to pay judgment rendered against the _ _;„_;�, . governing body` were arbitrary, capricious, officers. 42 li.S.C.A. § 1953; 11.5.�. §4;1- � .3'�i•':`: and unreasonable under all the facts and �} t�� = i:i�• 45. _€a�,..�; . � ,��c;:;� ci*cumstances of the case, and that l�iinne- � ,� � :�:.,�;, i apolis city council did not, as a matter of 5. bfunicigal Corporations �860 � L.:,, �'��`�� law, act in an arbitra ca ricious, or un- Omission of a specific reqoirement of � ;�. ._', sc :a�.:._;. ; �'� P ; � ��s�:: : j reasonable manner in paying federal court "good faith" from statute pro��iding that � -��t'::; �- , . ; �,,,;_�:. : judgments rendered against its police offi- municipalit}• may pay judgment rendered � ;>.�.:•: : ' cers. _ ; ;.��...,., . j against municipal officer, which phr�e w�a.s �;�+';�__:� : � Affirmed. � used in stztute providing that municipali- 3 "*�=''.. � ties may furnish counsel to deiend officers ' `$r',' Otis J. dissented and filed opinion. � � -�`T's� • � ' ' when atleged false arrest or zlleged injur}• � _:��_;::- ' ; . _ :t_-� ,. is the result of an arrest made by an officer � ;�;..:_ Ts - �:-_�..=- ' ':' � in "good faith," �as a deliberate and inten- r�t�:�-_ ; i 1. :1lunicipal Corporations �860 tional act of the legislature arising out of r r;;.:��. . . ,.�` "�"°= - s While a municipality's discretion to pay its desire that the range of discretion of a �.__•., . � � ` � a ud ent rendered a ainst a munici al � -�'�-y'w-� i � ] Sm b P municipal gove:ning body be exceedingh• _ 3.::��- .. ' officer is very broad under statute, it is not broad in deciding whether to pay a judg- � ' � r=: - unfettered. :14.S.A. § 471.45. ment against a municipal officer. tii.S.�. � �� -= . f` k�` - •: 2. Judgment �829(3) §§ 471.4�, 4iI.45. „ti�i". .. : �"��}�::•-� ' Findin of federal district court in ac- 6. �lunici 1.Co ��:'�,: . S , pa rporations a860 � ��;��.: : tion against city police officers under Ci�il �`'hile circumstances would be Iimited • �' _�� ' � Ri hts 3ct, were not bindin u ; � .�.., ; g g pon cit�•, and infrequent in which a municipality `� �°r�f;�:= , . which was not a art to the actian or in would choose to ay a ud " P y p j gment in a case in =.`� :�-:�=i ... . _ ::� :��:::; ; ; privity with a party to that action, and which the acts of police officers were not in ° ;��s K�;;:; ; � city's pror•iding of a ]egal defense to police good faith, such pay-ment would not be pre- 1� i. Yt�.s.• � ��;;::-;;;-� j officers in the federal action, standing cluded �Yhere gdverning body of municipali- ' 3�c.... ;-�.�`s�f,..: f .�,��,.:y t alone, w as r.ot sufficient, in action challeng- ty, for reasons of overriding importance to � :��pi;`�:a ' ing city's payment of judgments rendered the communit such as morale of the po- �. f��-��„�-�� i y, ��;t_��=::� against officers in the federal action, to lice, the unique or compelling facts of the ' ` * fi�'<��;'i bind the cit �tself,or its overnin bod to particular case, or the welfare of the com- } Y � g � Y, � � £�'�`�� federal district court's factual determina- munity, might decide other�rise. \i.S.�. � _ � ��:�;{;;! tions. 42 U.S.C.A. § 1983; i4f.S.A. § 471.43. § 471.45. _ -. t _,_l;;:'i � '' �_#�=` ' 3. Municipal Corporations �86p 7. �Vlunicipal Corporations �+360 � �. :.s• i;�i: � ;��f `�`i For ur �es of exercise of munici ali- Legislature could logically requir� go��- � ` =�<<i js?�� P Pa' P r �`y` ' ��=��'� '� t 's discretion under statute rovidin for ernmental subdi�ision to pro�ide a legal ` ;�. : i��(�ii� y P g ' z 1 �:� ' :�� l�:� � '''' % '{`=�ii:► � -_' �;��ti��t� � :�;��i;��; ;� . ,,,,�?�. -, : ,,. y- . _.. .u'b Vr+-+-. �� s�... 't-s -c -^u- � >.�,� � � � . .� _ .. . ... . ' ' - _..- t 1. �:. �'. ...�w�t+�� -.� _.-.-. � �_,.:y .:�. - �+s.' - . .. .�, . -. .� .. a� •"-�.'�.. � ,- .�.. ...-e. "" �'.' . — .. - . -- . _ �¢��a x •� �- '*x:._S; � .t . . �..., :_ �.-.':.._"Y. �. _ . . � -- . . .. .. �-4r•:.- ' . ..�. . #, - . __. ' _ . . .. "`�j?d" = . '�- .- . . � ' ..�', .. -_.._ .. � . ..: � ..... _ . .-: .=. _r"' "_' .� _"'�-•--- - - .....:. :.�-' ._. .:'.�" _. . - . _. . - - - °.�".`r.� .- . . - . .�.� �..� . - . _ . _ :. . . .,_ . . .. _._ �. - . . .. . . . - . . . . . _ . . , ._ :. _ . _. ..� �-- _ . _ _ _ _ - -.� ::_� . ... � . . . . .: . �:.. _ .. .. _. . �. . ... ._. .. , ..�,.4..� � . . ♦ .. • �_._ . . . .. ... � ...... .. .... . ....� . . . .. .� � -s.� �a.c F v'�+c�a -:5�,+ir'+� .r.� .1r^ s�=_:�� _ ...-�.�.. _ " -:a_�• �[.�.y� r�-r• - � ' , n�``' �'�+'. �^'c'SCC-_.,h _ . ``� � . . . � . . 'i �a^"-r4wl.+,eT,� ' . . . ' � - '•J'�s+.i.�~q'�� DOUGL�S v, CITY OF �II:\tiEAPOLIS ?�Sir.n. rj7J '�" :.•�..;:�"�'.�i Cite as 230 1`.W.2d 577 ' -='l�_'�.-� defense K'here police officer has acted in 11. Dlunicipai Corporations aS61 � •'�w=`::=.'� good faith and, at the same time, not re- � governmental body may not expend •�`-y��`"``,� � : •. •'._-`-�:-J'.." uire that munici alit must a ud ent �'='�- q P y P y � �' public funds unless orimarp purpose of the =e^;-� " ." w•hicn is obtained against officer in event �'~�`"`- - expenditure is public, and courts may re- -;�:•-;:s:; `. �'� ,��._. he does not successfully defend himself in a ��ew such expznditures to determine if they :-:�-°�::; '_ lawsuit `S.S.�. §§ 471.4�, 471.45. serve a public purpose, to determine wheth- � `�`'�'��=�. "a-.. er a municipality has exceeded its power in .., �;,;"� ,��'^�f- s, ilunicipal Corporations �860 ,�.�.:�� making an expenditure, and to determine if • _- tifunicipality may pay a judgment action of municipatity.was so arbitrary, ca- —;;~��" against a police officer or employee pur- pricious, and unreasonable as to justify in- y �°` � � suant to statute authorizing such payment terference. ~��H ��x-'. ~..� . . if the municipality deems it fitting and . �'�=� °' �=�'x�.� _ proper to do so, assuming that actions of 12. Dlunicipal Corporations �63.I(3) ��-`-:-``-� officer or employee which lead to the}udg- �iunicipality's exercise of discretion un- ��r•��. ment occur in the performance of duty and der grant of authority found in statute �'� do not arise as a result of malfeasance in permitting municipality to pay a judgment y� - officer or wiliful or wanton neglect of duty, rendered against police officer or municipal �;;� � and w'here determination that it is fitting employee is subject to judicial re�ie�v. -==:-� . and proper to pay the judgment is based M_S.A. § 471.45.. ;�'�"'``� �::;_� upon the best interests of the municipality �==��=- �>.... aad the public after considering all the 13. ;1lunicipal Corporations �63.1(8) _�,.:;�;`J_,r u .��.-:>�. . , facts and circumstances. 1�1.S.r�. § 471.45. District court, in reviewing municipali- • �-=s:..=�;�'> � � f . -. ty's exercise of discretion to pay a judg- 9. biunicipal Corporations �860 ment rendered against police officer or mu- ; ;,,,� , � �;: . In determining whether it is, under nicipal employee, must determine if govern- . �=�.�-:� �_ .�." �- , g P Pe P Y g Y P Y g -:�� statute fittin and ro r for munici alit in bod of muniei alit erred in decidin _.: 1•�<-� ."`.�:.�:�� to pay a judgment rendered against police that the action arose out of the perform- � -"�.�__. - officer or municipal employee, the munici- ance of employee's duty, if governir.g body ^===--�'�' :�:.=`-� � palit}' may consider, inter alia, whether em- erred in determining that there w•as no �;::�._ � ployee acted in good faith, whether he was malfeasance in office or willful or wanton ��;-'='�� acting pursuant to directions from his supe- neglect of duty, and if governing body �"Y�� rior officer, whether morale of other city ecred in deciding to pay the judgment. r�: employees might be significantly affected M.S.A. § 472.45. ' :,;�....__ by pa}zng or by failing to_pay judgment, � ' and such other factors as in judgment of 14. blunicipal Corporations �63.1(8) . � �-- :.. � �..�.�-�. municipaIity's governing hody, may be rea- Judicial review of a municipality's ex- � ��::```•* ; _ _� sonably relevant and helpful in reaching ercise of its discretion to pay a judgment ';;;;�-ry�, _ ..._�:�., ... : conctusion that payment should or should rendered against police officer or municipal " _- not be made. N1.S.A. § 471.�. � employee is limited to resolution of w''hether = -y � � determinations uf governing body of munic- =��'`�`- ..� 10. ?Vlunicipal Corporations �560 ; alit were arbitra =-'=��"��,'`: p y ry, capriciaus, and un- ,� `.__---� �, Governing body of a municipality, in reasonable under all the facts and circum- � ;,�-'�; reaching its conclusion as to whether to pay stances of the case. 1�I.S.A. § 471.45. "_- . r a judgment rendered against police officer - .=:�� or municipal employee, should state, in 15. �Iunicipal Corporations �860 :-� . - µriting, the reasons for its decision, and Burden of proving that determinations �� should maintain whatever other reco-d of governing body of a municipalit}�, under � �.�' might be appropriate in er•ent a district statute permitting municipality to pay ;` � :�� cour[ re�•iew of its action is demanded. judgment rendered against police officer or „-r,..�. �f.S.�. § 471.4�. municipal employee, w•as arbitrary, capri- _�• ��-�' �V�. �. ��;1� .-�'�� . . � �-��•.. �?�-aJ�� _ � �'s�4� . .� � - - n`.ti. l�y�M^+`-,r Z+:..' �T"� `� .:,yy...+ .^r� '' h�X'��L� 4tv:. l:: �-.�. _' . -... . . ' .�� -�.'.,.. -�i:is �� '.-� . ' _ , . .. . . . ... _ � .. ... � ... ' - .. '.� �... . - .,�. . _ . . . y _� _ .., . . _ ., . . :_ ._,_ ._. . . ,- , , . =`-' w; � - : .. � - .' _. _. ' . •. - . •.. .. . _ - � �. -, - .. . . .. . . , - - . :.,%. _ . . . _ � . . . ... _ � �_ �- . . _.- . . . .... � �r-: ;y�i .�.}i��, r+— � � i�i i i�� $Q �Iinn. 230 �ORTH tiVESTERAT REPORTER, 2d SERIES - ,:.l�t� i.t:�� . :.t: ti � ri� �� cious, and unreasonable, rests upon those and the public after considering all oi ;L,, f�'�:�t� � contesting the municipal action. 31.S.�. facts and circumstances. : �; *��'�I ; § 471.45. ---- �. ��1 M , 2. The municipalitr's e�ercise of �,� t;z {t f � 16. `Iunicipal Corporations �—S60 cretion under the gran± of authority fou.*.�; �' ��3�t1r � �; � :llinneapolis cit}• council, ��hich deter- in :�1inn.St. 471.45 is subject to judicial ;�. �' -:�};:: ' , � 4i`�}` � �ined to pay judgments rendered in federal view. Howe�•er, the judicial re�•iew ig�im;t_ ? °�i��;=� i court civil ri hts actions a ainst cit� olice ed to a resolution of whether the deter*�:,_ .; :.�rtt , � S g p � � `�� # o�ficers arising out of certain arrests did nations of the governir.g body were arbi- e; =}�F;�j� ` �• not, as a matter of law, act in an arbitrary, tran�, capricious, and unreasonable ur.der � �� =��_�� ' capricious, and unreasonable manner. 42 all the facts and ci*cum;tances of the ca;E, � :�.;��;� • � L >��:.:�!�i .S.C.?i. § 19fi3; �i.S.A. § 471.45. -"• =�_`�`��':! ` ; 3. In the in�tant case, the 1'Iinneapoli; F �i .s,=: . .� 1�f:��: ; ' 17. Diunicipal Corporations a860 City Council did not act in such an arbi- �-� ��'��'�`�� G4'hile a municipality should obciously trary, capricious, and unreasonable manr.er -: •'-�1�>{. „ � _ � �'�`}=;':' �` more carefully scrutinize a judgment as to justify setting aside its discretionar�• -�i :a`��' � against a police officer or munici al em- act in a -in the ud � `" '� ' P P ) b J gment. ' �-%``� � ployee which includes puniti�•e damages, in : ��r,• ; ��'`� j exercise of its discretion under statute as to . .,t-_: . - � '=�':; ',' - Rhether to pay such judgment, puniti�e Cohen & Douglas, Bruce C. Douglas,pro -'� "`i�� damages mav be paid when municipality is ; z{::,. �' r==�+= • se, and Ronald E. Budd, liinneapoli;, for _+_ �+_;- acting under the statute. .II.S.3. § 4 i 1.43. Y �="' ' appellant. � a�+s..�' . � �"=-� 13. llunicigal Corporations �860 �#""- � � Walter J. Duff J y � �;:`: i � Fact that punitive damages may not be y. r., Git}-Attv.,Ra-rnond s iq��;: � , J. Hegna, ?�sst. City �tty., Feinberg, 3ie}•- ;r;�� ; a�rarded against municipatity under statuxe _ �� Z- 1 � ers, Schumacher & Schumacher for respon- s � setting forth maximum liability of munici- ��?=�= dent city officials and policemen. _ �.,;:��: : ; palities does not preclude pay-ment by a . � �.�:;� . ; � ��t*_,.: ! F municipality, under statute permitting mu- Duane `V. Krohnke, �finneapolis, «'illiam � �,, ----r: ±_ nicipality to pay judgments rendered Karnpf, St. Paul, Ly-nn Castner, �iinneapo- s�f;;_ � aga:nst municipal employees or police offi- lis, for respondent cIaimants. � �?«?` ` cers, of a judgment against one of its em- 4.:, ��=`-_= � ployees which inciudes punitive damages. Considered aad decided by the court en ;. �`'=- � �1I.S.A. §§ 466.04, 471.4�. banc. � r ��t€'�` � �.__.: ' ��<< Syllabus by the Court �facLAliGHLI\ Justice. #�,�,}�: � , . _ '`;s-` 1. ?i munici alit has the ower to ,� z=s_ P Y P Plaintiff, Bruce C. Douglas, on behaif of .. '� .='';r,- pay a judgmeat entered against one of its himseif and other ta� a-eis of the cit- of �_`', -• P 5 S ��.i police officers if in the discretion of its �iinnea i, polis, brought this action against the -;_�;:, � governing body it seems fitting and proper city of `linneapolis, its aldermen, its cit}• � : _;�:��i:;=� , to do so. �finn.St 471.43. The exercise of treasurer and others to en oin the cit frorn ' '��i�:'e"� : � ] 3� . Y��}�,}�;;; t this discretionary power,hoK•ever, is limited paying judgments entered against three of ��t y�� :, � to those situations where the actions of the �� licemen in the United States District ��x r,.�'i�`j ' police officer which lead to the judgment Ccurt for the District of Jlinnesota. Plain- : t :T=: : � �,f;p::' occur in the performance of duty and do not _ � :- �� tiffs appeal from a summary judgment #�L�;;;>,.� =:;:i;;; arise as a result of maifeasance in office or granted to defendants by the trial courL. ;33 i��s;:`_ ' willful or wanton neglect of duty, and = � :i�: R he*e the determination that it is "fitting The jud ments a�inst the =�; s��•;i � S e policemen ._�':•,: aad proper' to pay the judgment is based arose out of a ci��il action brought in the ..: ` ` �:s''��'�� j upon the best interests of the municipality United States District Conrt by Da�id ;_;. : : :,; - `t=:f: •� � _ �a:;r. ;� ' - :t.tii� - i:ii3�'�: � � .. - ` • • :=_:�,tl. . :� << i f: ;t a w�,.,r..,., ' �. < . . _ _ _. _. - . . _ - - . -'-..._._- '- --- - -_:._,. --��.._ ... -._.:. - - --- - - - .-• _ .... _ ::. ..,� . _� . _.. - -- ` ,"- : :. _ ,:_ ., . •-_. . � - - • , � -- .� ' - � .. : . _ •,. .. - -.• •-. . �_a-.— _ __-_ - ^ - - _ ; . .. .. . , .. . _ . - _ . .. . _: -' ' -_- . '-�'�'-, .-_-' -' _ � _ _ _ . ... -.:...� __- ". • .. . - . ,.. - - .. . . _ � -.. _ ..�._. -..� �, --� - . - , . . - , . .. . • - .. � �.- .�:� � .. .. ' :� .,` .. � • ' - _ . , , . -�,.... ,..._.:,. <�-'.'- --: -. . . ,� - . -- _ . . _ . . . : _. . .. . _�. : - . . .. _ - � . � ic�._ .�a•. ��k !`: r� �-�e-�v..�r-. .s..�s�+�� !�+. r . c.--s.�r...:;j_�..'c.-.��:".�;ts� .-i:�.`�:. �_`�l"� "-gt , :.+��-�..atiz,lt.� '�.c..��ye. Y.�;.at ��.:.�,: r:..,., .. -v.a,q�-.r�� . � iSC 'Ca.A. �i' -:'.\� t�:i:�...: �s`.1 M .. 1".i%+C '� „„� �"^'� '%1T 1 'niy . (�n� ST � .. .G�-s ��7� :i.�r' �y,.Pr.r.Oraj�7+'►7s".1:". ,:';°C��:�. _ ."['� _ '.H., J _ ..:�x �?:' .L - J' :C--�- y^Y ?- C2'w'_2.:�":��r.�-:Y:. ak+ T,� .. . ��'� �'� ^"►'�'��•,'i'..:_ - . .': -n*�:. �: .. � 1'Y�! ��+' � • . . � �.i.. f�..w..Vii':� . . � '�tdJ-�',�'.. � _ DOUGLAS v. CITY OF �IIti�E�POLIS `iinn. 581 ��`'�� 4 �� Cite as 230 N.W.2d 577 S . ��;.�.�t L�•kken and others.l The action �cas com- Assistant City Attorney Edward C. Va- �--;-�� m.enced punuant to 42 U.S.C.A. § 1933, for vreck, who also told him to handle it in the � � .� _� damages for ciaimed depri�ation of rights, usual manner. 4��'� I ��=�� p-iciieges, and immunities secured by the Tidgwell testified at the linited States ,;, �� . . t:nited States Constitution or Federal law. District Court trial that he �-as not inter- -�.,`'.�,.'�� The events �chich gave rise to the United ested in the political views expressed in the ¢.�+� . :`'`�'te�.�`#�. fl er; that his attention was attracted to it �-:%'�'� g;ates District Court lawsuit occurred on Y the evening of Saturday, 1Zay 9, 1970, at simply because of the words "cash bar"; _:,�� tl:e home of Dacid and Harriet Lykken and that by the location given for the party he their son, Jesse. All of the other Federal knew no liquor license had been issued for �_ ��- •• p;ainiiffs were guests in the Lykken home the premises; and that, consequently, if a '�+"=-• .,�. y that evening. L}•kken, who is a professor cash bar were in fact operated it would be `'�? at the University of �finnesota,`had agreed i�legal. Thus, when advised to handle the � ;;�?N�.; • to hold an "o�en house" intended to raise situation in the usual manner, he proceeded � money on behalf of an ad hoc group called to send an undercover officer to the scene .,a� �, "Peopte Against :�fissiles," which had been to attempt to make a purchase. If the �� ' , fermed by several university students for Purchase were accomplished, an arrest could . :�,; :�.,Y be'made without a warrant for a misde- ,',t.,,�"L.� the purpose of organizing opposition to a ,t proposed anti-ballistic missile installation in meanor committed in the presence of a po- Yorth Dakota. liceman. '_:=� .' Beer, coffee, and soft drinks were acaila- . Accordingly, on the eveniag of tifay 9, ' - � ble at the party, and it was intended that 19 r0, after show•ing them the mimeo- . �'""'� : a hed fl er, Tid - �'�" those in attendance woutd make contribu- gr P y �ell instructed defend- _ -.;;;�.� }"�'��tions to thE cause i:� return for partaking of ant potice officers Gordon G. Haertel and : �..._; John G. Searles as to how the matter should `�'� the refreshr*�ents. David Lykken supplied • ;,� the beer for the party and had on hand for be handled. At about 10 p. m., Haertel - :.,;�„T the occasion seceral cases of so-called arrived at the Lyl:ken home where he iden- • � `� "strong beer;' classified under ordinances tified himself by name, but did not reveal ��%� and statutes as requiring a Iicense for its that he w•as a police officer. Searles, his � '-� -�:_. p ar tner, wai te d in t heir patro l car, parked � sale. some distance away. In the house were �.� � �s part of the publicity for the fundrais- two small baskets for the collection of mon- - � ;�as `� er, a mimeographed flyer was distributed at ey. One, in the living room, was labeled �� the university. The flyer described the pur- "Agyl donations." The other, in the kitch- �pose of the organizing group and extended en near the refrigerator where the refresh- • �� an invitation to the fundraiser. In refer- :nents were kept, was labeled "Donations, �f,�:, -� ence to the fundraiser, the flyer contained Beer 30c, Pop 25¢, Power to the People." �� "-��> � the w-ords "donation and cash bar.° Prior Haertel proceeded to the kitchen where � � '�«..� to the gathering,a member of the 1linneap- Jesse L}kken gave him a beeT from the ��= t�"4: olis Police Department came upon one of refrigerator. �o request for money was � _-.;�-� the flyers and gave it to one of the defend- made, but Haectel gave Jesse Lykken a � �,�'� ant officers, Iienneth Tidgwell, who was a marked �i bill for the beer and received memoer of the :14inneapolis Police Depart- change from the basket in the kitchen. ':�`� meat Morals Squad. Tidgwell showed the Haertel stayed at the fundraiser for about =?-� fl}•er to Jon Prentice, the head of the D�or- an hour and then ]eft to report to Searles ':j�� ais Squad, who told Tidgwell to handle it in and to Tidgwell via police radio. Searles �'+� �..�:- the usual manner. Tidgwelt consulted with and Haertel then met Tidgw-eli and several .�., ��_�.,� � ". -�a:-: .: � 1. The plaintiffs in the United States District Court action will be referred to as the Feder- ::.-� al plaintiffs. � ,..•�i� � ^'w'�r-; . �� :__:::.�'a-. � r _�� .-� :;--?�? . ...rt��+�-1,' - —: _ ._�;: - � -- __ ---:�c,,�.r,..:..xr _ _.-.�";'' � . - - .�. :.: • . _ . __,. _, _ . ..;:. .: . '_ - - . . � -_ _. - - - —. - _ . •:�: `_�.d.s>J'��s.'v.,�S� '�:,.:.-aou�°.�}. r°�Tr�r'�`.. '+�y�-."` �.= �,'° �_ R, 'r-Yqvz rn-� c�-r4+�.r>.. ��G��ls�c..`L . � 4•l��7' 'V.�t'�"T 1�.y`�w!'F � ++�+?..1'�� Xsa�LV ». �-,rr '�' '� �„�,^;..-�!' .��- �. : �Br '�e:`c�':. �y�,_ -_� �t- `•.r ..�+r-r ��1.��'L�"'�c��'�4'°"=�".ai�7y e"'L.�c`+� ��.-..'�sn"s�r.z�i�'��1�e.�,�/r°�+yC''Y'L..-�n�x' +c�y�*�,x-�+�'{-f.A4't�i2+�."�G.xL�'�_+.�.�:�+.yh- � �� .} J,.: ��"r° {�w' . :.f�... Y 1 --`-+`+� �a-��: �:r _"'�.� ..�3 A - . - t �- T � .�.��.�a! f�S_ � - ' �_1i... .s�,. ,�_.�:�� ♦�j�.�"` .F�,•r., �.^.�a��'C� �::1_�s.-v:4,'+� .,, �,;,.�•-e � F:� � ±� q��'- • ,(��;� • �� u:' "':2 i i� � ' � ►:- �i�ilf - . �'•`_ ;'s il;I�� 582 1�finn. 230 I�'ORTH W ESTERY REPORTER, 2d SERIES .: " r::ff1�� . •:t�t+ x-� ��t3!� � other officers at a location about one mile seized, but the F.B.I. agent stated that he �� i`ii�� from the Lykken hom�. At that time, had no reason to be interested in the mat- 4:� 'f `-t� � Tidgw•ell announced the plan for arresting ter. Sub�equently, those arrested a lt:.�� ppeared � �=�";" everyone present at the Lykken home. in Hennepin County �Iunicipal Court, but '"� '._�t j}�� Haertei and. Searles returned to the ali charges were eventuall}• dismissed for ��-. �'►��'� fundraiser where they recei�•ed more beer lack of probable cause to char e the : .��,�: �, g guests .�' : �;rs_�,i from the refrigerator and put another with presence in or participation in a disor_ 'Y.",-' C:. "'' � ►F{ti:1� marked bill in the basket. derly house. The complaint agzinst Da�•id �. . �t��_ �... � ��'tJ.` ! ; Thereafter, other Minneapolis policemen Lykken for seliing liquor �rithout a license = = =�:;�f;�� knocked and entered both the front and was dismissed in Hennepin County tifunici- ° `�=;�.::' � back doors of the Lykken home. It �-as Pal Court"on the grounds of no prima facie s�- ;�t:F+;:; ;] announced that everyone was under arrest �se." : a,{.,: 1.. � ;�±I�T�'!�� . y ! . ,F�•�:i and all the guests were told to gather in the In the L'nited States District Court action sy" : .�Fiii:' . f y��;��j� � _. living room. `i'hile some officers watched under 42 L;.S.C.�. § 1983, it u as necessar}- % F"�'�;�� over the arrestees others be an to search for the Federal Isintiffs to show (1)action ; ��l��;+'} , g p _ :�.€°i,:s!, . the house. There is a dispute as to the taken under color of state law• and 2 a .._.: . : viiTiiii:l � � � ' ;„�;�};';•� - thoroughness of the search, with the offi- resulting deprivation of rights, privileges, �" � �'f=�=�"� cers testif y .=x;:�t�t. S'ing that they only made a curso- or immunities secured by the Constitution � =_��.;s: �•: _ ry inspection to determine if anyane else or b}• Federal law. Since there was ao _ �"'�"��'' f was obviously present in the house, while question that the defendant police officers' � rr:=:;� ' �''3'�`�{ other evidence from the laintiffs indicated actions �ere taken."under color of state =�3-i,.� a P =�- ::� the search was more thorough. On the law," the question to be determined in the �. �-�, i � main floor Officer Tidgwell seized virtually United States District Court was whether ��..:=:�=: ? � - -�:�•- every piece of paper in sight, including not those actions resulted in the deprivation of , , ._: -. . : � ' ��'=� � ' only anti-war literature that had been the Federal laintiffs' rights.� «'ithout set- �= �>:ir_=:�� s P - t:=�=•�• : placed out for people to read but also per- ting forth in detail the reasoning of the ' f�y�-.. , �� ' sonal papers off a small desk, and a pile of United States District Court, it found that r,�;�:��` � - :�=:"<; � • : papers relating to the personal interests of the arrests "were improperi}•motir•ated,un- - t ; .-�.-��. ; , ,, - _. :>_�: : - -' � x..- :t Harriet Ly-kken that had been placed on a dertaken not in furtherance of good faith w' �`'�� F built-in buffet in the dinin room. The 1aw enforcement but for the purpose of . $3; f:: g - ��!= ' :�;.;;,_,;� police also seized the beer remaining in the harassing those at the gathering because of � ' ''`-�'` house and also seized wine stored' in the `'��'•'"` their political beliefs, and the arrests were ' `�` basement and li uor located in a closed = .a.Y..�.:.. .:: �� ;i�:�.:�- . Q , thus illegal." The United States District � i-�;-'_*•�2_ , cabinet on the first floor. �either the wine Court went on to hold that "the police we:e ��a:". .:;�¢;;�._ nor the]iquor had been serced to anyone at interested not in good faith law enforce- ` *��': the party. � �_° '' '� ' ment but in using the arrests as a pretext " . ��_y-�;=.:" ', ; `' z ' y guests were for seizing any and all potentially damning �� :{:: :, David L kken and all of the � .��c�:sa' ' . ' }�„�,r;, ;; ; then taken to the Hennepin County jail in ecidence of any.possibie law �iolation that .s...�-:: .; : Y��ii;:�: ; downtown ?4linneapolis. Harriet and Jesse might serendipitously be turned up." The :i'•�-::'_-_: ! L kken were issued citations rather than court concluded that the olice action re re- z �•;:. Y >�..��.: � P P f��:;.;:-:`:. � being taken to the jail. At the Hennepin sented a b]atant disre ard for the constitu- =��?:i;: ;; . g z#��i;� :rj County jail, all those arrested were booked, tional rights of the Federal plaintiffs and � t�:�t.. ,�- �;��::'� charged with participating in a disorderly determined that each Federal laintiff was _ s�. ;.,},� P `_��+}::•;�� house, fingerprinted, photographed, and entitled to compensatory damages and that ._ ;s;��r s.'k� then released after periods of detention Da�•id, Harriet; and Jesse L}•kken were, in � ,�."�,.;', . :� : ��.��.�� ranging from 3? minutes to 5 hours. lipon addition, entitled to punitive damages. :�n ,� = ;;f;�`;�� arriving dow•ntown �;ith the seized proper- au•ard of j500 was made to each of the 1� ^-� {:��;; �.i r ��;+f;��; ty, Tidgw•ell notified the local office of the Federal plaintiffs other than the Lykl:ens, �;;;;!;:;i F.B.I. concerning the identity of those ar- and an au•ard of w3,500 was made to each of - j�'!?�� rested and the nature of the literature the Lykkens. : �.;:��.,j' , . �_ ; , �::��l-,;; ��: :�. - :..�t:�:,: - ;.'::'i:i�i . �- ` ;i1j*i� f_ ,.-i - �.. T .. . . . � ._ � ... . . '"�'- .�''�...: . � "�.�.::ia�. ,�.•._ a'^�� .�:": .:�i..._ _�.:u,�' - . . . . _ . . ... . . ... . .. - . . , _ .. _ . . �. ._ ' . ._.. . . . .. ,_ . . .. _ .'.;':m. :.y:. �.. 'r�� .--V.,K• ��-Aw 'T T �,ccsr'vY�c -.]1w+ .y�3'_\ i.... . �+.��' Y..� R.+ z�_;�� .. ,� ` . . z .t. .vis 'S 9'O' "4. LJ' 'K'.-� .. y.. �,� � . �'vC.,' ..r! ) ....j. _ ,y,,: _ M�-�• ._ �''i >.a_�.,.iF nM.7< S "�j 'lf^` ;J �1� .� �� w� ._ . ..:. _ � .-��' ' ' _ �'�scn _ - f � .._ .r < �--" .+... :^ r2. � . . � - M'p-..�`�.. °E: :--...+�s"..�..ra.�.s,-��""'�=3.."`"" ,{�'4' -- ... - � 'r n ..1 � � � ��V we�Y ' ��1r..� DO[IGL�S r. CITY OF lII�tiEaPOLIS l�Iinn. �*� � i�� 58� � �. � .�� Cite as 230�Y.�y.?d g77 �'�`^" .'^ �� Prior to the L'nited States District Co�rt officer for the expenses of his leUal defen�e uf� � �� action, the deien:lant police officers re- �chere the officer �ti•as actina in �or,�j faith fi . '�'- `�`�'� quzsted t:^.e city attorney to provide their in the performance of hi�official dutie�. In �� .�► ��r� ��t dePen�e oursuant to 3linn.St. 471.�3. Pur_ State ex rel. Feist v. Foot, 151 tiiinn. 130, �� }' k "~"� suant Lo a tifinr.aapolis City Council resolu- 1t36 V.�4". � ( �?�, ��`� � � - ...30 19:. we �ti•ere faced ccwith �.:. J�``�.� tion, the cit}• a:iorne did � �`ti� -�-�+�� y provide the legal the i�sue of whether a city board of kater �� ;�--�;��'-��=,� _�_�__�.�;V�_ defensa for the policemen in that action. commissioners hac� the authority to reim- - .,,,.___,-.�:"`�" . �� lipon request from the policemen, the burse an employee for damages �-hicb ke `�""''-Fx� ' ��_.. llinneapolis City Council, in December had been compelled to pap to persons in- ' _�`'- ' -� � 1973, appros•ed the payment from pubfic Jured throuah the emplo}�ee's nebligent op- �' ' .�-:'--��`=` � eration of an automobile. In that case, we �� funds of the judgment entered against the �� - -�--�-�-��._,�,: � .w:,�._. ,,, _ three officers, subject to a favurable deter- Quoted, with approval, the follo�c•ing stand- ��.:s..� r.iir.ation by ti:a Hennepin County District ard from S�ate er r�l. Crow v. Cit}- of St. �' "� "k."� �; � Coi.rt in t'r.e ins:ar.i liiigation, which was Louis, 17� tifo. L�, 133, i3 S.`V. 6�, 6?S - �� • then pend�.'r.g. The t:ial court, in this ac- (1903): �' �'�,� �,j tion, held that ttte city council has• full " ' ' ' The true test in alI such � �'' �� discretion undar § 471.45 to determine cases is, did, the act done by the officer �� : -�,..r....r�:,:;;,:~ .,sra �.-...�,. whether the city should pay jud�ments on relate directly to a.matter in w-hich the ��"�jt '''r�w- behalf of its employees and officers if i� city had an interest, or affect municipa} �w "� . :.�_._,,, deems doing so fit and proper. Thereafter, riohts or property, or the rights or Fro� �`' ��x'� � tha city paid the United State� District erty of the citizens which the officer�cas -' �� ....�,.,�=ti Coart judgment, and ptaintiff taxpayecs in charged with a duty to protect or d2- � -�.;;.;:"'' �'" the instant action filed their notice of ap- fend?" � �' �a,._ peal to this court. . � ., After appiying this standard to the fact, of �.�_ ��-,.:° �, =` The issues inrolved in this a eal are: x�•� h �"� pp (a) the Feist case, w•e concluc3ed that the com- �.:� - -��'°�a` Ha.s the cit ower to j o �=�-�� :Y- � �,�.. Y p pay the ud�*rnent missioners could not properly reimburse the ,,. —'^� � i,;� agair.st the officers, and if so �ti•hat stand- emplo�ee. �'=_- _ �="� ard should be used by the city in determin- �' =� � iag whether the 'ud � �'linn_St. 471.4�, which was ficst enacted � � .; �. '' ] gment should be paid. . . ��_ �Y�v�Y!��_ (b) Assuming Ehe ciiy had the power to pay ln 1937, provides: y_ ,:_��__ the judgrrtent, is the decision of the city "On and after the pa;sage of La«s �` � "_-�� - 1937, Cna ter 4:�2 �;, a ' subject to revie�v on appea! to the district p , every city, town, or -� court, and what is the sco pa of that review? county of this state emplo y�in g sheriff s, �---_:,�.;,ti;w•� •,. ^. (c) Z'Vhat disposition should be made of the Police of icers, or peace officers shall .bz - �""'>,;..�,�.� ,.-�......_ appeal in this case? required to furnish leoal counsel to de- :�'�x� - 1. At the out3et we must determine fend any sheriff, deputy sheriff, potice �? = �, -j�..�'r�� ,. officer, or peace officer empioyed by any '�`'� ��`_:_� whether the city of l�iianeapoiis has the �.,,;;, ---M-- po�ver to pay the judgment in question and, such governmental subdivision in all ac~ � �` -� � , � �� - tions brought against such officer to re- .�-� ; - :•�•�: if so, what standard should be applied by cover damages for alleged false arrest or �`� "y �'� the city in deciding whether to exercise its alleged injury to person, property or � � '�� power. - charscter, when such allebed false arrest � ` � . This court has had the opportunity, on at or afleged injury to person, property or �° . ��" - ---'°'°^ least two occasions, to consider questions character was the result of an arrest �a �� similar to those rai;ed in this appeal. Ia made by,uch officer in good faith arsd in � -`� � _ City of l�foorhezd v. 1�lurphy, 94 l�Iinn. 1�.'3, the performance of his offlcial dutias and �� .� 102�J.W.21g(ZgO�),a case in �vhich a police pay the re�onable costs and expenses of 4 `�� y`'� official wa3 sued for false arrest and im- defending such suit, ir,cluding w.itness �� T� prisonmar�t, we estabiished that a munici- fee�and t�easonabl�counsel fees, notw-itn- �"' '�� pality, in its discretion, may indemnify an standing any contrary pro�ision� in the - �� "`' �� --��r _ __ -�.,� -Y� <* � W .s� - � - � . . . � . . � ,,..rc�+a»��'�'_'`: �_,;-�.i . . �. . -�� . . .,,,_ _ ._ _. ._ ... ._. _.,- . . . � '.... 1,.�. . . �-. _ ,� o. . .J . ... . -,� .,� �,: ' -' ' _ '�� " � - .. . ._ ._� -.... :. .� .�.: .`--'.`>"- ' .�' .` - "_' - . : . - ' " _ ' . ..,. �.. . . . ��-: � � _ _ .. ..�. .: .. '.-..,. -. • ---��- . � _ _ . . .,_ . . ,: _-. �. ,...� _ ' Yr� '.. � �. - .. .. �..,� j . �. � . .. ...�._ .�_'.. . :. �. -' ., _ ._. . � .. ""'... . . . =r.�— .. � r. . '4: �..� �T� -� - .� { --�'.�Si_ `CiC ..".'°.`+c'+.'� °r.�+ts- -»+: • .. _ . *- • +' I ,:,'�,:: ._� -s� ' _�.l�- � ':;� � 5$.� 1linn. 230 �iORTH tif"ESTER� RF,F'OFZTF.F(, 2d SEKIES - �+ la�vs of thi� state or in the charter of any ing bo�iy "ir ;eems fittin« an�I � }� . _ ,;;.;!� � suc6 govecnmental subclivi;ion." (Italic, so." b proper to c�o _ `i !i��++ � supplied.) ;p�:;{y F � _ ';��,;�� f � c1s is apparent, §471.� imposes a r*±anclato- �l'�� H�`•ina e�tabli;hei! t�:e po«•er of _ t ` � tbe munici �iitr• to ' t � �' du*.y on a mur,icipality to furnish legal �" p<"LY tne juda nezt, �,,.e , ' `e•'f � f � counsel to derend a t' must noc�• determine tne sCar.dard to be � �� ;��+� po.ice officer in an -�:� ° ��t 3`' ' ` � action for damages if the municipality finds 3��j by- a municipaiitv in deciding - ��?``a � ' that the officer acted in good faith an ' }, ; :}�j,;�:�� , # whether to e::ercisa this power.= � e'- :'�': f i the performance of his duties. Thus� lants urge us Lo hoId that the r,:�nicipaiptt, •�::::, ,� � . `=g � �;�'��' � ' as a condition to a •in�- R _ : �� ;; § 4?1.44 goes beyor.d the common law a, P 3 b a judgr:;ent under -s�, �_�; stated in City of lfoorhead v. llurphy, su- § ��1'`�� mu�t find that the oFiicers were f' � �°' " acting in gaod faith at the time of the : . , pra, which had left the furnishing of legal e�•ents which led to the judatn�nt s per- :, �'' a�.' y � ` counsel to the discretion of the municipali- � '�' �' tY. assumir.g the oificer �vas in the per- Su"I�e ar4uments have been �rhanced by �:�: .. formance of hi; duries and had acted in both partie3 on the questio:� of �rh�t?;�- - '� � good faith. there must be grood faith on the part of the � -� I ` � officer before a ud P 3;� ';i _ . Section 4 t 1.�5, also enacted in 1937, � � �-nt can be paid. ' - s� � �'; rideg: p o- Section 471.4.5 itself does not u;e the terrn r � "good faith" althou `' "' ' gh it can be, a�d is, " ;��'# : "If, at the termination of such suit, argued that the good-faith requirernent of Y - `'' ' '' Ju�gment is rendered in favor of the de- § �72•`� should be carried ocer into actions _ �, � .: �'`� ` �� ► fendant and against the plaintiff, such taken under § 471.45. �,- _ �;� � ' judgment for costs and disbunements � =T ' � shall be assigned to such governmental �� However, as we have noted, g� ` �; svbdivision by such ofiicer, and all mon- faith is significant under$4?I.4.�because it � _ �" T ` eys collected thereon sha!! be pa(d to such requires a municipaIity to pay the legat ' a,�'#'r z 't : � ;� : governm0ntal subdir•ision. If j�� ,rtznt expense3 fos its employee� actiR� in gooc! � ' 4� be rendered in such action agai,• � yu�h fa�th. Section�71.45 Sezcns intereded by tne y �� g 1egi;tature to impose a con;iderabl �.- ; officer, such overnmental subdi��:,,i•�n so y greater �,, : ! employino such officer is hereb y autho r i z- degree oi discretion upon the m u r�i c i p a l i t y r �' � - ` i e d to appropriate mon2ys from any funds U'1II°' a' it does, the ver}' broac� lanouage, i��_, ' , � avzilable to pay such judocnznt, if, in the if, in the discretion of tha go�•erning body _ n�,;:� ; discretion of the governino body of such of such goverr.menta.l subdivision, it seem3 _ ••=�x . ; governmental subdivrsion, it seems fittina fittino and proper to do so." �fter con- t .�:-._ _ �*�+�- and proper to do so." (Italics supplied) siderable 3tudy, we have conclud�d that the YY'"` ' omission of a specific requirement of good ,,��": It is clear that under § .�71,�5 a munici ali- _ #�"r' �� . P faith in §471.4� �vas a deliberate and inten- +�.��. ; ty has the power to pa}a judgment against tional act by the legislature because of its .� s ��;} an officer if in the diaccetion of its overn- " ! g desire that the ran e ` ��t : g of c3iscretion of a ;*A a��"+ i ; � Z. The trial court took the positioa that t;�ere - ��s�A�a ; t are no lirnitations on che power of tha �i� sufficient to�ause the city itseFf,or ics go�•- : � k��i•';,.! � to pay a judgment under !�Iinrt.St. 471.�� e��n° body, [o be bound b decerminations �f the y �-° factual �� i While we agree that the municipality's dis- Unie2d States Distcict .^ ` ��ir' i# � : cretion under that statute is very• broad, c�;e Court. Furthe:, it is eatirely possibie chat ;�•; '$�,ra t�<;=:i do not believe it is unFettered. for purposes of the exercise of its discretion 1� � under Minn.St. 471_45 the city could reach ' ��£7�t i �:�' � 3. Appetlants also argue that ihe findings of one determination based uoon th> facts; �_ ��. r i ; the United States District Court must ba and the Federa! court for u � y� a�.'�� i binding upon the city of NIinneapolis in this U.S.C.A. § I9S,3, couId reach a o�her d ter- ;�.. �`#`; , i case. We decline to so hold. The city of mination. Howee•er,ihe fi n d i n� _�- � : i Minnea polis was n o t a party, or in privit os of the Fed- " �'''� '� Y era! court are certainly one factor u•hich th� �� ' _ ��x:S � with a party, in the Federal court action. � " ;; -� While the cit did „ go�'erning body could tal;e into considera- e y provide a 1_gal defense tion in exercfsing its broad discre[ion ur.dzr - ` ��1-��: :�� for the o�cers, t hat, s[anding atone, is not � ;' 4T1.45. ii�j �� :' § s I t i, � '�_��i��_'� , � � . . 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"�.�..-7-_°''"'`_'q""' ^h_ �; ' c'a� . . _ `�-- - -"r�,r•'-�. a�� '^-7=. -✓`.h .'a`...__ :. ��,�r°"�i- �=-:c-r.Yr�� . . , . �eo...�i.i�z'-�w.:.±"rf � DOtiGLr1S �-. CI'I'�' OF .1TF\�tiE�POLI3 t' t0 Q� Cita a�230 i�;.tY.2d 577 11in n. �s� . municipal governing body be exceedinal - broad in decicling �vhether to a . ° S anrl emp(oti�ees for a torL claim or demand. *-er of inent under p y a �u�io' Section 46�.p,, sU}��. 1� pro�,:d2,, in part, a� • § 471.45. „t, �s•e follota•;: � �6.7� tiZhile we 6elieve the circum- "The go�-ernin� body of an�.• rnunicipsi- `O 5? stances would be limiteci and infre uen� in ir "`'��ng which a munici alit � w � �'� ma�" �eFencl, sai•e harm(ess, a, .lppel- P y ��« choose co pay- a demniiy any of its ofiicers and empioy- judgment in a ca;e in tivhich the employee's ees, whether elective or a i��lity, acts were not in �.:nder S�d faith, we decline to against any tort claim or demanppo�heth- • preclude such a payrnent tivhere the govern- er e oundle�,; or otherwise, arisirg out af � «-ere ing body for reasons of ove�ridin� impor- an alleger� act or omission occurring in >` tne tance to the community, such as the morale the „ PzC' of the police force, the unique or compelling performance of duty. � red by facts of a particular case, or the w•el:are of �Sl Sectiorr 466.07, subd. ? :ether the communit , deciares the ryT the • Y. might decide othersvise. fotlo�vircn e�cception to the inx;errin[fieatior. . Likewise, as we read the statute, there Po��'er gtanted ir. subd. 1: °��• could bs circumsCances in which the govern- "The provision� of subclivision 1 re^`n �ne �dy might exercise its discretion app(y• in case of maIfeasanre �n o �O not r,�l is, against paying a jud �fice or ::�t of �eRt even though the wilful or u•anton neg[ect of duty-.° officer had acted in good faith. Again, this , c:ions would occur, as we discern it, onIy on limit- ' ��'e find in ed and inf��quent occasions. It is eatirely §�66�s�'bds. 2 anci 2,a,tmng indication of the breadth of diseretion understandable that the leb slature crou(d �'hich the fegislature intendecf to °°Od • require a governmental subdivision to pro- mUII1cipalitie3 in cleterr,iinin7 °rant to :�s2 it ' vide a legal defense cvhere an officer has o w'hether to - ;zoai inde�nity or pay a Judgrnent again�t its acted in good faith while, at the same time, officers or ertz Io -�$. � „ood it would not mandate that the municipality p y �t the same time, : the § 466.07, subd. 2, clearly ptaces cert�i� lzg must make payment of a judgment�vhich is 1'�ative limitations on the discretiona .ater obtained against the officer in the event he y Pa��t3', and �ve have con_ thorit •of a munici alitt• does not successfully defend himself in the cluded that the sarr�e timitations should be `°�' lawsuit. Obviously, if the officer h� acted „��Iy inco=porated into § �71.4�, j=Te therefore � in�goa1 faith, he is gntitled to a defen�e� hoid that a munic:pality may p�y a judg �m' during his day in court. On the other hand, ment against an oFfi�er or emp;oyee pur- con- once he has been found at fault, and a tO § �71•� if it deems it"fittina the suan*. J��gment obtained, the municipality should Proper to do so" o anc} � ��O`� have the broad discretion which we believe ' �"°�'n� that tne actions of the officer or the emptoye�k.hich tead to :en- was given under 'the ud - � i� § 471•45 to determine � �en� �cur in the perform3nce of i whether_the judgment shouid be paid. duty aad do not arise as a resvlL of malfea- �. a sance in office or wilfu! or wart* � We are convinced, however that there on neole�t � ov- must be limits beyond which the discretion of duty. • � ua[ of the governing body cannot be extended. y � � �3C In seeking to find those limits, we are aided tin�1�, j� determining �vhether it is fit_ b and proper to pay a judo nent, the �❑ , by legisjative language found in c. 466. municipaJity ma ch C6apter 466,eaacted in 1963,deals with the thin y C°°sider, a.mong other � ts; . tort liability of political subdivisions; and faiLh��wh her he�k'nP�Oyee acted in g�� r� ' § 466.07, subd. 1, contains a provision for .-s actir.o pursuant to directions f r o m a s u p e ri o r o f ficer; whether d_ the i n d e m n i f i c a t i o n o f municipa l officers � �e the morale of othercity ernp►oyees rTeight ba �' a- 4• The trial court treated [he ins[ant action �^ �r as one to be determined under D4inn.St. �� pCO�de for judgments of the icind in_ �'- 471.45 raiher than § 466.07. Eecause ��tved �ere, we have also based ihis deci- �-'' § 471.45 appears to be speciFcally designed sion on that statute. �,'�; . �� ,� • sr ��-� �.r`• T �'� �'�'„' �^a..�� „ ' Y�{t...sC'�' -T�I��YS�O - - �_�y� . �yi5 - - LYf� l� wY y �..f/YhGh�.ey�'��,��T'�.!'+JRIt+' .�,Z.-"' �� Sh�' '�0.-�a�.�_ „k, , +�^��al�: �...;� � " .,� .. -: .. :"..- :_ - , s"�:.+�.�.�� ''-�r�*.'.c. _ :_ g,.. . 4, .�'".au- �"..a"�-�--:- 4. .r.r `^e.x '� .� �� ..+..y�.,�,. -_ �'+ .� --z��. �....ay,_ t ,{��,.s's� � FtF. %2�,..., � ��-"" 'l. ^--rt-ir}�',�.,,, � _...�£�� __ ' . "_ _ =_ J'.._.c.. ' � .. :f_ �� --v.� .�r.e.. �... 4. .._�. �� _ .•?�._ _r...._ .___ �L . -. 4r "n�f+� . �'.."`�� cr�_�� ^�ra7u.A�?a.~' �+4��n.-.,,+y�..,F:`F '... �wti'.�,r`'�e'�,.`t'u't�uT w 4�g.. <� �: � ��..-. ' �^- .S � �. .-°�. -wr c`'S'._1 `'" s -; Y�"�,�GS `4 t�'�7 .'�..�:�.y.,y iyi y,� v.--.+r r s�''U�-= r':� ,y�t-�w. � - :+s`y.� . sti �L .."r..-v.L �.T Y:�, ..qr-J ��ti s �+' '._ �, y " '.�,�+-r'4.x�.�.;�-.+F`�...e,rt..3.,? r4��''-.�•�y."•:'y�. ,F,��,° ^* ��tl-- �ti r ..ti � r�-�."�, 'E -.•cr ,. .,. � — ,ri` `i��,��` -.�++ s' ' �-. -� �.rw d .: h �..a .. 1..� w— � `:�'�11i�p'F:.' '.-_kr...,i� +9a+Aea - ?:_ 7 r "_,' '+-r .-,.\ _ t _7�'6��v „Y.+ i I . �►�+.rf�-i�+.o-3FX:w'.�:r'�+-` _ . -. i' :m,a�'w X _.. �' � - "" . __� 1 + � 1 t � � . �.__�4a+mu,� •�"�,ya' 1 . . � � . � . t . i ' � � 5c�s ti�Iinn. ?: , . . ��' � , ; : I 3� hOKTH �r�ESTER� REYUkTEK, 2d SERIES -_ � . • i ` ;. � : �;=- : � � � � � � significantly� affected by pay-ir��, or farE�ino such expelt(iituC�s to cleter:rine �� t• .,. � , ; ' � f � ; to pay, the jue��-rriPnt; and sucn other fae- ser��e � public purpo;e• �o �zr� ...�C� �,� i . ! � � k tors as, in the judgment oi th� aoc•er:;iaP r�- ' �r.=�inY �.s= j R f ' bo� 5 � «-he_..er a municipatity has exceeded ir; ��. . � y, may be reasonably relavant ar.d 'nelp- po�s�•er in making an e:cpendi*ure; ar,d t� ;:�• ' : � i ' , � � ful in reachine a conclusion th�zt payment determirce if the actiaa of the munic' � ' ,-='_ ; � � t ; ��! � ` should or ;hould not be made. Tne impor- w-as so arbitra ��lt5- - � j + � ! 'M � � tant princip(es are: a The ocernin� n� ��P�ciou�� 2AC� uncea;on- : r ,j' � r � � �__ � bo<lc abte an to justi��• interferer.ce. are�; �. *�- _ , , , . must first determine that tne action arose �''i!laoe o:Rogers, ?r.t0 l�finn.3S6, ol �.L�:;?� ° rs s r + � ; i out o P _; �} : er ormance of the empioyee's 508 (19�3}; Borge(t v, City- of liinne�pofis, du an t�at t ere �ras no malfea;ance in 271 �finn. 2:�9, 1S� �;_�42d :�,g3 (19oa), «-e � • o�"ttce or �c� ui or wanton neg,eet of duty-; therefore hold that a prope-partv m�c,�z� ` . � - : * � ( t e municipatity mu;t then determine revie�r i: distriet court of a r:��r,;c:�=?;_,': .,;.a ' - � �vhether it is "fitting and pro er' to - ` - - .�. P � ___�__�_ pa}- exercise of its discc��;nn to paJ a Jud.e�r�-,cent �;� � E the judgment; (c) the determin�tion of under § +"� +� - whether it is "fittino and proper" to pay t1 Y� � 3:, . . � ;� _ -`F _ : the judgment must be baserl upon the best � � . c : � ' interests of the municipaiity and the punlie �1�� UP°n review, the district court .� _ � after considerine all of the facts and c;r- � °bj�eated to determine{a) if the go�•ern- * _ - cumstances. The governing body, in reach- in° �3� erred in decidirsg tn3t the actioa �" _ - � ino its conclusion, should state, in writir7, ar°'e out of the perforinance of L�:e e:np;oy_ � � ° ee's dut � .� ; , the reasons for its decision and sho;tId y �b)if tiha gor•eraing bod�•erred in � .= maintain whatever ottter record might b� determining that tZere was ao ma;feas�sce - ► r appropriate in the event a district court jn office or witful or �sranton neglect of � ' - � " .: review of its action is demanded, a; a�;_ duty, and (c) if th�_go�•ernir.g bod�' erred in •� s �� . � cussed herein. decidina to pay the judgrrient. Beca�;e of .-it ! � R':: - . � s our belief that the teo;iature intznded «-ide � 2. The nesE issue to be resol�-ecl is discretion to be ti-eated in the - ° " go:erning ' : whether a district court re�•ie�r oE tne gov� body, we hace cor.cluded that the scope of s � ; . , . _� ,, ; �;: erning body's action is avai!able and, ig ;o� revies� must, of necessity, be n;�rr��.. �. . � s' ' ! � the scope of that reviecv. Tne tria( court Therefore, �ce hotd that Che di�trict co�rt i� ° . took the position that once "[t]he councit limited to a resoi�tion of ui:ether the�'ete-- � '' ' x� haa made[its] detertnination ' * • ne1_ minations of the gore;ning bodp �c•ere arbi- ; - � ;j � ; ` i; • ther this Court nor any otner court can trary, capricio�s, and unreasonable ur,de* . ' � ' properly interfere with that determina- ai� the facts and ciroumstaaces oi the c2_e. � .�r�� ; ' � tion." In appi�ia� this scope of revieu, the trial ^- , t= �; ,;.� .: court should be guided by.our stater.:en, in � i '� ` 3 ; [11,12] `Vhile we have concluded that Sabes v. City of�Iinneapolis,2f�i 1linn. 163, � �" ` ` the mqnicipality's exercise of its di;cretion �71' 1� �'.�V.L� fi;2, g�� (1963): { _ � �} '�' '-i � under the - _ �� ; ! grant of authorit-y found in �� ' ' In reviewin the y � a,3; } � §471.45 is very broad, we do not a�ree that ings oi the municipality-�it is no c th ,; ° Y s�s � it is beyond judicial review. It is abundsat- .: : , � � court's function to pass on the K-i;do:n of ' , ly clear that a governmental body may- not the �� , ! expend public funds unless the primar �r_ w �pa�'�ent�, but onl�- to daterr.tine : _ .a , . . '. � ` �Y P heLher the cauncit esercised an hor�esc � - � :$ � ��: : � pose of the expenditure is public. See, Beh- and - � r�asonable di�cretion, or «•hether it , "; i • . rens v. i y o : ' . _ ' : �nn. 36-3, . �� 271 N.W. 814 (1937). Courts m3 • acted capricioasly, arbitrs.rily, or oppres- � ._�_ :_ ,� 'r ! ,� recie��• sively-_..S , �`_r - :_ _` ' ' ` =� `• f 5. In Bainbrid�e v. City of �Liinneapoiis, 131 a munici alit•, cve �i�; � P 5 "As Sta[ed sbo�-e, F .;r . � -:{ � i�linn. 195, 193, I54 N.W. 9S-�, 965 (1g�g�, a the stacut�gives the mayor po�rer to r��o'•:e � ' ` + � i case which involved the same question of = s a s ,,� ` the scope oF revi�w of a discretiona Iicense�. This pow•er of the mayor is r,ot a!t ` ' 1 ry act of absoiute «•er to re��oke. Ic cznciot b� �� _-�: � ; t � ;r, ;;� ; � � � -'' Y;: :t i� , � � � .>r+ ' ° E� :'!� t . �� f _. , . � � : 3 .s. ..1 +f � . � . . � r i i. 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' _ ' 'i�.�—�_��i.,. ��'�T�+u'o-�+z-t-e�:�'�r•:.�a`.= -a.:c.:.,.nrye+-Y . . / > r 1yv.4y = ��` . �ir+.r�'�3t� 'i' -j S'^ . � t� ,.�yJ++�a.�;,�� DOliGLaS v. CITY OF 11I��E�pOLTS � � �� - z . I►nn. rj�"j �-: �,,,w•w`. � z �'�` `�-_ � :-r.r.��" �. Cite zs 230 N.tV?d Si7 1. _'�-y+�+'Tt�� Ve further hold that the burden of pro4ing '° °''`�'i'"T "�""'-''"� RP;olved by the City Councit oi the ��;�''��"'�"'��,�,,,� that the o�overnin? bod 's determination City �� l�iinne�.polis: '"�� ,.,, b a 3' o j t..`..'�'°��',y�Y�� was arbitrary, capricious, and unreasonabte � �� -w fi-�.- . > p.��- �:. ;a'^ must rest upon those conte�ting the munici- ' �;3t Che City of \Iianeapolis shatl de- �.;,;r��-� pal actian, i:� t!�is case the appellant taspay- �enc( and save harmiess and indemniiy ��'�`-*�"`-r`�� e� • any of its officers and emplo}-ezs, �-heth- �' ''�""�-'�"'�'�� g�� r-..�..� er elective or a � -� ppointive, against anti• tort z -_, tiY claim or demand, �rhether groundless or �- � -- [16-18] 3. This leads u3 to the la�t is- otherwise, arising out of an alleged act or �'- � sue,which is the determination of the dispo- omission occu:ring in the per;orraance of �-� � sition of this appeal. Appellants made no dut3�, when reque3ted, in �cri[ing, by the -�"� � � - �:�empt to sno:v tnat tne llinneapolis City officer or employee in��ol��ed. �_ �� { Coan�il's action wa; arbi:rary, capricious, `Be It Fucther P.e�ol�•ed that thu reso- - =�, :- � and unreasonzble. Ir.stead, app�llants re- lution shail not apply in cases of rrialiea- -� �j � -� lied upon the findiaa of the United States sance in office, or wilfut or waaton ne- � j�:-'� _ `� t -� District Court�•hich, a.s we have indicated 6 glect of duty, or intoxication of the offi- � �,;.�:'' - � were not binding upon the municipality in cer or employee iavoh•ed." .�;,�:. y �.�:� determining r�hether to pay the judgme.nE � ' � pursuant to its power under§4?1.45. Both �ga�n• b2sed upon this resolutioa, it ap- �s �' � ��'� parties made motions for sumrreary judg- Pzars that the city council in voting to pay = . ;,�, � " ment and rested upon the same record the judgment implicitly decided tkere had � . •:�;'; which is now before us. According to that been no malfeasance in oifice or �rilfut or �' " �� record. at the time the payment of the �'anton neglect of duty.T �G hile the trial � "�-� - ��.�r- Y � judoment tivas considered by the claims court did not erpressly base its order for - -*� � ' �_ ,...P.��,�� committee of the city-council,the city attor- summary judgment on a finding that the . � "'��'�`� ney advised it that the city council was not city of 1linneapolis had not acted arbi�rari- � z ''```�''�� bound by the Lnited States District Court's ly, capriciously, and unrea;onabl � ° � �'��`` y in paS-i:sg ��-. �, -.�� f'tndings and th�t the judgment could be the judgment, and while tha.t technic�.l fai!- .�,; x= �'��-�'� paid if the cit}• council determined that the ure might justify returning the case to the `� �x�.r �� _�� a defendant policemen had acted in good trial court for such a determination, we " �� faith. Subsequent to that advice, the have concluded, based upon our re�-iew both . �~ �� . x "`�„�'"v-'� ...t cIaims committee voted to recommead to of the facts and of the recocd of the pro-. � +'�°�: "�.Y�..�. �. the city council that the juda nent be paid, cee�iings before the city council, that noth- � '.--,� and on December 21� 1973, the council itself ing would be gained by such a remand ,x,��, ,,�,,��-� voted to pay the judgment. Therefore, it because the record before the trial court on r•,. �-i;•,.;�. would appear that the go�erning bady at remand would be essentially what is before �-?' •. - => least implicitly found good faith on the patt us on this appeal. Therefore, we hold, as �, - ��:., of thz ofiicers. Further aPain as ..,��"',�'�- . o part of matter of law, b;�ed upon the facts and the -=-�. : �..:.,;;,Y:.._.--�� ,..� ; ��..�,;,- the record, we find a resolution of the l�iin- reco�d before us, and applyine the narro�: :�.. , �" � " �-�.:� neapolis City Council, dated tilay 23, 196.5, scope of review which we have deiir.eated ��,: ?,'�""`=h..r and approved by the mayor on June 4, 196�, in this opinion, thaL the city council did not � � ,��-;;;�:-�- which rsads as follo�vs: act in such an arbitrary, capricio�l;, and � `'`==�� '"� used capriciously, or arbitrarily or oppres- hones[ difference of opir.ion, and the deter- � "'�� sively, bu� oniy in the exercise of an honest mination uf the question requires judgmer.t � - �` and reasanabte discretion. * • * and discretion, the action of the ofticer w-il! �� .I`' "' * ' IC is true there must be some be conclusive upon tho coUrts." ��" -"-•-.-�-�--- facts which invoke the exercise of official 6. See, footnote 3, supr3. �`' �"- "��"�� r�� discretion and furnish reasonable jastiFica- 7. The jud�ment against th�officers obvious- � � � �� a+; �.c�- tion for the cou:se followed * + '. If the ty arose out of actions durin the � � question b� doubtful and there is room for ance of their duties. � �fO�' �� J =`�� ;-' � :=a - _ "=='`9t-7. � �.+ �1�t}L�•�t^^ �a1�� J�Y. �.� � - - ��. . : _. :. - _ _ - ��: __. . - . . . . . __ c..w-. '1�t .� ...��.+� . �—.�_____ ___'._'. . . _-_._ l,�+��t��.}t.=ht�- . .�-�"�..._,..'..�1-Y ' ��! 4.5� ..iJ" .��+.M: t LY�.a� .f :S -- ".;.�' '.Ny 4 F�^`S"i w+-f. +M'+:�9-+a..�x��^A' `h'y„ � '-.1i' �+ 4n� : _'�� ' .� �-+w ��: Y - � . �ar �.i.�Y' -!t^.m3',�. fi.: y,T z aS�4�.' r""'� �^r ... .,�y �. ��...,a. x^"+> >,.:.�.�$�� >-... ` � �. ': ..._... ..� .t' - 1' �,_ `1�t._ . � _"'_se�,C`j�f � ..-.,.,� . y vsr,�c�41 i�'- .e-�.�' "a�---. :.�n � 1-M..+:.�'r.r' ,j`)�� 2� �: �Y� n.�s' �,. . _�y�o.� _ .r.; _ `:F�•. - .>' s _ � . �n�e . ... .....' : _ f'£..r'._' _ ..-,� ' �t Y-'-^ ..w�..� - � - - � -�cy.t15&Y�:.:.�'iuiks�/" •_;��.y�, :I � � � . . :, ;� . ;:;� � 5SS tifinn. 230 NORTH ��ESTER\ REPORTER, 2d $ERIES . , �` G :j�:� � ' unrea�onable manner as to justif}' setting ;:;:� { } a s i ae its discretionar}• act in pa y�in g the D F.L H��i E S � S O\S, I\C., Res p ondent, ' `.;;! ! judgment in question.3 The jud�ent oF � :?: � � � 4 ;:;�,�( � the trial court is affirmed.9 ., . ; ' ; Bruce j1ITCHELL, Inditi-idaalty, and ,;:�1 ` �i i�t�� i � rlffirmed. i�Iitchel} Feed 8: 5e�d Company, .4 .,t�I, � . ap�ii��. _�:f;��i t � • � :^:i�; 1 � : No. 4a016. _ =;tit;,;! � i ; s=:;;�t� OTIS, Justice (dissenting). Supreme Court of 1linnesota. � ''?i�'�1� ' � `Ia}' 30 197�. t ?'-?:?�`j : The evidence that these police o.ficers > � ;ii :•1�:i . t;'s. ;;;;�� vere guilty of willful and wanton neglect � _�_�;�;; ; of duty is virtualty undisputetl. There are Action by s2l�er of so}�•bear.� for goods ; �t��''�'� no mitigating circumstances set forth in detiv2red and sotd to defendart, wi:erein � �:=i'; i:s this record to ju3tiiy their calioused disra- defend�nt counterclaimed for damages re- i,;i�.:: : •}f`�� :�: gacd of the rights of innocent and law-abid- suiting from plaintiff's failure to deliver �� =i.`-�+?�'. � additional beans ursuant to oral contract. ,-• ing citizens. The award of puniti�•e dam- P �,:�;:; � � ';�;i=� �� ages against them belies their claim of good The District Court, Sherburne County,Car- _x _-y i`i: ` ` �• faith. rott E. Larson, J., entered� judgment for s `-``'=- �•� { plaintiff ar.d denied reco�e:-?r on the coun- � �� :! ( terclaim and defendants appaaled_ The Su- i : � I Th� use of taxpayers' money to save preme Court, :�icholas�S. Ckanak, Actiag s � F harmless these defendants i3 in my opinion ,�ustice, hetd that promis�ory• estoppel rras 5 `_z ' '• a clear violation of tiiinn.St. 466.Oi, subd. �, not available to buy�en of soybeans for fu- �� -' which prohibits indemnity "in case of mal- � _i= .- • ture delivery so as to take oral contract out -' ' �-� = feasance in office or �vilful or w�:nton ne- _�� -- _ of statute of frands and that, in absence of ; _ - = glect of duty." If we are to hold as a sho�ving of representation or coRCealrrient �.; . __ • matter of law that the city of tilinneapolis of material facts on part of selier, equetabte -:� . ��-�S=• � � was justified in finding that these officen :} . :..:? � estoppel «as not availabte to take the can- � ::i * : acted in good faith;it is difFicult to imagine tract out of the statute of frauds. � >f any situation where the statutory limita- ay `•"2� tions of § 466.0 i will apply. Affirmed. Y . ..'T .� . � _ � � . . . '� t E r a-: . . 1. dud�nent aIS3 ';; ;,;; ,, _ ; � i:L�' - - . s� I would require at the very least that the Court has inherent po«er to enter sum- - i .r��' � =� � ��_r��.: .. ;� city coancil conduct a full hearing and mary judgment on its o:cn motion �vhen � ��Z�� make findings of fact which a trial court there remains no aenuine issue a.s to any t �;�Y�r.- . : ; ;� ; �$_ �: can review to dstermine whether there has material fact and jadgrr.ent must be or- . -� � �_-}L� ' . been com liance with the statute. dered for one of the parties as a matter of _:� ; ��.�,g.. j; P -.� ; �s.r��: ;; � _� • �_*<•�• { ; ' S. We are aware that a certain poRion o;the 9. Our roI�in this appeal is not to determine . z,�.�, - � �',�_�� .; ; ; , judgment in question constituted punitive wheiher the judoment againsc [he ofEicers � = a#z s- � ; . damages. �Vhile the municipaliry should should have been paid by the city. If the � � t � : obviously much more carefully scrutinize a matter had been presented to us iR the 6rsc - �.•.a ,_s�• . � ; . .;.� : A;=;3� judgment which includes punitive damages instance, we mi�ht �:ell have decided thaE �.� = 3'-;;:°: , ; � � in exercising its discretion under Minn.St. the judgciten[shoutd not be paid. Ho�vever, -� ' [Z e=� :: 1 ' 471.45, we hold, based upon the reasoning as stated in this opinion, thz role of the '�:�. :_: '� ' -°�cs= •�j ! ' of this decision, that punitive damages may courts in a d>cision of this l:ind is to de[er- -� s; -, _ , . _� , - ;.;: ' � ! also be paid when the municipalicy is acting �111z �i•hecher tY:e governiag body acted in ' .�?�:'±;: ; ; undet§471.45. The fact that puni:ive dam- �y, ca�ricious, and urtreasonabta �� , t an arbicrs :=-� '� r�' • ; ; ages may not be awarded�gainst a mur.ici- manner in reachin� its determination to pay : 3��;i: � f: ., ,j, - , i pality under § 466.04 does not pr2cl.icle tn? the judoment_ �Ve have cozcluded that it . _.,� =y�*�; ;� payment by the city under 3 471.-�3 of a did not. _�� ` �;t :;. judgment against one of its officers :�•hich _.�� ' ; : �j � includes punitive damages. <.' : �' :i -� - �"� � . 'i, � ' r_. . ;�� :.�. <►; ��, + 11 i� F s - i. i � . • 3 1• 1 t' � . ' _ �;{ , i 1 _ �„�'�F"��X . L � . _�af w T^»+�.�1��%� �...t:�+'5�+� 7. : r ._�. ' i.:1 ?3..�� 'f` ; y s � -s ` -�.y 4[ . -� . . .• —"'y.� Y �� z;� . . -ti ��3.-' -. ' -,yt�rP��..n 'e' 7S' y,.._,� �, � .�,..y�, .,k .-�� .�%-> •..�.-� : -r 'r � s a.. :[. 'T�" : o `.--� :'i«�w��y `_.'�"' � C- .i�e 1 Z r�y l 1"�! ?.`�J.G.F•�.--•J�'�c� �� .r+-� � �:.o��- +�''�:-.w 'y . +") . .Ri�+aS�T�. � -`�ir�":Y' "''r �-s .t ��,,.w�"r,... ....s, - - �-�.- �. -;,-`--� _ .. -�,�. .._�a ,-�':l�' _-'=�"'z�'- .�.r?-.:: =7:,. ��. ..�_ .�.�a� _-. . "'L<-- - --._.ti _ - -.,- e.. ..... _ ,�'. .._ _ . .`!vr _ -� .- - . � - _L . -x;� WHITE - CITV CLERK PINK - FINANC � GITY OF SAINT PAUL Council � � CANARV - DEPART NT BLUE - MAVOR , File NO. � ` ouncil Re ol tio � �� Presented By r � Referred To Committee: Date Out of Committee By Date WHEREAS, the Council of the City of Saint Paul passed a . Resolution agreeing to indemnify and pay any judgments of any sort, including an award of compensatory or punitive damages and attorneys' fees, costs and disbursements which may be entered against any and all of the City officials and employees named as defendants in the case entitled "Planned Parenthood of Minnesota, Inc . , v. City of Saint Paul, et al", Civil File No. 3-76-230; and WHEREAS, this Resolution, in order to avoid repetition, does hereby incorporate the Findings as hereinbefore passed in Reso- lution No. : and WHEREAS, the Council of the City of Saint Paul, by a majority vote, passed Resolu.tion No. 267708, which directed the City Attorney to appeal to the United States Court of Appeals for the Eighth Cir- Cuit, the Order issued by the United States District Court on July 20, 1976; and WHEREAS, the Mayor vetoed said Resolution which was not re- passed by an affirmative vote of at least five members; and WHEREAS, the majority of the Council desired to pursue said appeal nothwithstanding the Mayor' s veto, which appeal was taken, with the purpose of serving what was thought to be the best interests of the City of Saint Paul and its citizens; and WHEREAS, the City Attorney did deter��.r�.e that representation of the majority of the Council who wished to appeal and those who COUNCILMEN Requested by Department of: Yeas Nays Butler Hozza [n Favor Hunt Levine __ Against BY Roedler Sylvester Tedesco Form Approved by City Attorney Adopted by Council: Date Certified Yassed by Council Secretary BY By Approved by iVlayor: Date _ Approved by Mayor fot Submission to Council By BY -2- did not wish to appeal constituted a conflict and that, there- fore, the City Attorney' s office would not continue to represent Councilpersons with divergent and adverse positions; and WHEREAS, D. D. Wozniak, Esq. , and Patrick H. 0'Neill, Esq. , did undertake to represent Councilpersons Patrick Roedler, Rosalie Butler, Victor J. Tedesco and Leonard W. Levine in said appeal to the United States Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit; and WHEREAS, authority exists under law and the City Charter for the City of Saint Paul to pay other attorneys in cases of special or unusual circumstances of in any case where there is a conflict; and WHEREAS, the Council finds that to not pay outside counsel for said representation of the ma�ority of Councilpersons who were acting in their official capacity in attempting to secure judicial opinions upon unique matters, such as in this case, involving great controversy and public disagreement, would be grossly unfair not only to the attorneys so engaged, but would effectively thwart City officials wh31e acting in their official capacity from pursuing judicially any matter that a majority of the Council thought to �e in the best interests of the City of Saint Paul and its citizens; and WHEREAS, the Council, after considering all the facts and circumstances, has determined that payment of attorneys ' fees for those defendants who did appeal did constitute an expendi- ture for a public purpose in that the action which was sought to be de�ended arose out of the performance of the defendants ' duty and was under taken in good fiath and within the scope of authority delegated to those defendants and is based upon the best interests of the municipality and public, WHITE - CITV CLERK PINK - FINANCE GITY OF SAINT PAiTL Council � CANARY - DEPARTMENT � BLUE - MAYOR File NO. Council Resolution Presented By Referred To Committee: Date Out of Committee By Date -3- NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, That pursuant to authority granted by law and the Saint Paul City Charter, the City of Saint Paul hereby agrees to pay any and all legal fees and costs and disbursements incurred by Councilpersons Roedler, Levine, Butler and Tedssco subject to presentata.on of said statements to said Council and approval thereof. COUNCILMEN Yeas Nays Requested by Department of: Butler [n Favor Hozza Hunt Levine _ Against BY Roedler Sylvester Tedesco Form Approved by City Attorney Adopted by Council: Date Certified Passed by Council Secretary BY By, Approved by lVlayor: Date Approved by Mayor for Submission to Council gy By �� CtTY �iu �'Z' ', .y�' / . �'�" � ` �} '�.. p • ■a�o�� "� ��_:� i�'� �� nmo�w ., r, d ••••�• a '' " = b i T Y O F S A i N T Pl�`�JjL ��, ,�o ,��, ...« �� .��a-�, OFFICE OF THE CITY ATTORNEY MEMORANDUM HARRIET LANSING T0: Ma.yor and City Council FROM: City Attorney' s Office DATE: June 22, 1976 RE: Attachment Several of you ha.ve requested copies of the transcripts of the hearings regarding the abortion facility moratorium, and we are herewith providing the transcript of Ma.y 20, 1976. We will provide copies of the other transcripts as they become available unless you indicate otherwise. TMS:er Att. City Hall, Saint Paul, Minnesota 55102 612 298-5121 +1 . , . �/� . . � � � . � �� CzT�� o�- S��.I:�z 1'�T,1� . ' O:FFICF. O�' THE �L��10I� � : s� ' . �� !��,.1__i! �.'.. 3�I�7 C1ITY fL�I.L C:E01�(:h; 1..11'i?llilt S<1ZNT PAL:7.,lII.\"\E;SOT.\ u310':: �..� �I�l"C)1: ((31'_i .?�8--1:;`?3 n C*t � � Cfa'� �'�.) -�n G7 D TT� �T�, December 19, 1978 • �;, � �T r 7� �ry O p 3C� w _'o Z '�' Z-�j � r . Q,. ...�,� �. IT1 (70 Council President David Hozza Members of City Council Seventh Floor - City Hall Saint Paul , Minnesota 55102 Dear Council President Hozza and Members of City Council : I am returning Council Resolution #272208 to you with my disapproval and veto. This is not a simple or easy conclusion either for you or for me. As you know, I have an absolute commitment to veto any Council action which is illegal or unconstitutional . However, in fairness to the parties and the Council , this resolution does not easily fit into those categories. Our legal advice is that the action contemplated in the R•esolution, though open to suit, is defensible and based upon some legal grounds. The Court's finding of joint and several liability on the part of the City and other parties means that, in fact, even without the Council action, Planned Parenthood may move against the City for full payment of the attorney's fees awarded by the Court. If that occurs, the City would retain its right to proceed against the other defendents for contribution. By the Resoluti.on, however, the City ►vould waive its right to obtain that contri- bution. The issue then raised is whether the waiver constitutes a gratuity to the intervening parties. I do not presume to anticipate the legal resolution of that issue. The following are the facts at hand: 1 . Planned Parenthood sued to enjoin the City from enactYng a moratorium on the establishment of its facility in Highland Park. 2. The City and the intervenors, including Citizens for Community Action (CCA) , lost the case before the District Court in that the City was enjoined by the Court from enacting the moratorium. 3. The City then refused to appeal the Court injunction (by virtue of the City Council 's failure to over-ride my veto of August 16, 1976). 4. Th.e intervenors then chose to independently proceed with their petition for intervention and to continue to litigate major issues resulting in substantial expenditures of time and legal fees. Fo1lowing the appeal and intervention, �C/• C:,�z?� ��'.,.'��"'� • �� r..,,: �� C ITY OF SAINT PAUL . � �� OFFICE OF THE MAYOR riii�i ii�i A 34�7 CITY HAT.L s i D, GEORGE I.ATIMEB SAINT PAITL,MINNESOTA 55102 MAYOE (g12) 298-4323 qEG 2� 197� Council President December 19, 1978 Davic�H„ Hozz�, Council President David Nozza Members of City Council Seventh Floor - City Hall Saint Paul , Minnesota 55102 Dear Council President Hozza and Members of City Council : I am returning Council Resolution #272208 to you with my disapproval and veto. This is not a simple or easy conclusion either for you or for me. As you know, I have an absolute commitment to veto any Council action which is illegal or unconstitutional . However, in fairness to the parties and the Council , this resolution does not easily fit into those categories. Our legal advice is that the action contemplated in the R�esolution, though open to suit, is defensible and based upon some legal grounds. The Court's finding of joint and several liability on the part of the City and other parties means that, in fact, even without the Council action, Planned Parenthood may move against the City for full payment of the attorney s ees arvvd�ecT"6y the Court. If that occurs, the Ci ty woul d retai n i ts ri ght to proceed against the other defendents for contribution. By the Resolution, however, the City would waive its right to obtain that contri- bution. The issue then raised is whether the waiver constitutes a gratuity to the intervening parties. I do not presume to anticipate the legal resolution of that issue. The following are the facts at hand: 1 . Planned Parenthood sued to enjoin the City from enactTng � moratorium on the establishment of its facility in Highland Park. 2. The City and the intervenors, including Citizens for Community Action (CCA) , lost the case before the District Court in that the City was enjoined by the Court from enacting the moratorium. 3. The City then refused to appeal the Court injunction (by virtue of the City Council 's failure to over-ride my veto of August 16, 1976) . 4. Th.e intervenors then chose to independently proceed with their petition for intervention and to continue to litigate major issues resulting in substantial expenditures of time and legal fees. Fol1owing the appeal and intervention, i� _ 2 _ i the suit finally �resulted in the District Court's order of July 26, 1978. Among other things, the Court ordered the payment of attorney's fees to Planned Parenthood by the City, and by the City and CCA jointly and severally. 5. CCA has appealed that decision and has filed a brief before the Court of Appeals raising the entire issue as to whether any fees should be paid, and CCA's 1iability for payment of fees. Notwithstanding the above, the Council , by its Resolution, and based on a desire to "terminate a divisive matter which affects the entire community", would pay the entire amount of attorney's fees and CCA wou1d pay $585.98 in costs. Given all of the above facts, I veto the Resolution for the following reasons. As a matter of principle, and as a matter of precedent, I consider it bad public policy to undertake the ob1iga,tions incurred by the intervenors proceeding in matters which the City chose not to pursue. The opportunities for other private � parties to seek reimbursement under similar legal circumstances are almost endless. In a society increasingly seeking solutions to problems by litigation, intervenors in zoning matters,� human rights matters, land use issues (Job Corps, Como Zoo, park Nursery, Union Gospel Mission, etc. ) could raise issues and expend monies over which taxpayers, through their elected representatives, would have little control . Under this precedent, I. am hard put to see how we could distinguish the claims of other litigants from this one. Would we examine the virtue of the litigants? The merits of their case? Their re1ative ability or inability to pay their own fees incurred without prior authorization of pub1ic funds? Or, indeed, might we be responding to the pressures of the rich, the powerful , the well organized and the sophisticated, and ignore those who are not? I do not believe it is good public policy for public officials to enter that thicket. As to the hope to "terminate a divisive matter'�, no such termination wi_11 occur by this Res,olution-. Other litigants undoubtedly will raise once again the propriety of the use of public funds for this purpose. The issues which are now raised before the Federal Court o� Appeals will then 6e thrashed over again before a new judicial forum. We should be aware of the reality of the situation: Neither action by the City nor the Court will reconcile the opposing beliefs of the parties. If there is merit to the CCA appeal , and on that issue I have no opinion, and if it prevails, then the issue wi11 be put to rest without the expenditure proposed by this Resolution. 'If CCA does not prevail , then the City will have retained its right to obtain payment from those litigants who incurred those costs by engaging in an appeal which the City did not authorize and chose not to join. Finally, th2 Resolution would simply offer CCA payment of up to $7,700: A liability it Sh�res jointly with the City. This is the very proposal rejected by the City Attorney at my direction many months ago. Although this reversal of administrative recommendation is not the crucial point in my decision, it is worth mentioning from the standpoint of the ability of the professiona1s working for the City to deal on matters of public interest with consistency and authority. I am fully sympathetic wi;th the strong feelings of the CCA litigants against paying any part of their funds for attorney's fees to an organization whose objectives and practices they vehemently oppose, ' - 3 - • , But, they understood that risk before taking independent action. Further, and as a matter of principle, why should that opposition be allayed by the payment of those same fees with public monies. I fail to see the moral , legal or policy justification for this action contained in the Resolution. Respectfully yours, . . or Latime Mayor CC: Rose Mix, City Clerk Suzanne Flinsch, City Attorney News Media �� . . �., . 1 � 'd�" I X '� ��.: r. ` .. . 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't ;, t;. , � . ,_. . . , . ..-_ �..:�. . .: �. ��: . „ , �> .. . '� . � ;. , �.r ,. ., . , . ,� �, ,� � - � - � .6� =� �'�� {�! � y . . .< - t � . y., a-�. . � � ,/-yr, � - a `S: ✓ �.` .. ` i .\ �. �V� . . �, . , , � . . . . �. . , a .:� •' -., ,.. . ' .. .'`.•' .. . � ..�.. .` , , .. '..�.� . " • !" 4'. � � :.r .. ' $ .. l y . '�1 �. � �X, �` I _ �, ' `�` � .. . � 'i�- M Y . . . _ . .. ��. ,. . .�.�. � . . . �. ... . ., .�> � . . , ., . . . ..,. , i .._ . .. . . _ , ... .E.. , ..(... .„ r �1:: Y. _r_._ . ,+. . ., e . � .... 4y.:,g � - • • f � , � . � CITIZENS FOR COfYIfYIUNITY ACTION (CCA, INC.) Box 16008 H ighland Station St. Paul, MN 55116 OFFICERS November 14 , 1978 lohn D. Healy, Jr., President Annette Levine,Vice President Geraldine Lunzer, Secretary lohn R Quigley, Treasurer Gerald and Maurna Donovan MS . Rose M1X lohn and Rita Turner Clt�7 Clerk Frank and Sue Delaney Clty Hall Dr. Richard and Gerry Lunzer JosephandNancyO'Neill St. Paul, Minnesota 55102 Eldon and lane Dahl Donald and Angie Wozniak RE: PLANNED PARENTHOOD VS . CITY OF ST. PAUL Martin and Esther Kellogg Norbert and Marilyn Berg Dear MS . M1X• Richard and Kathy Hanousek � Dr. Richard and Jean Lynch Elmer and Jean Trousdale Please pLlt Citi zens fOY' Community Action Ori Irving and Annette Levine the agenda for the St. Paul City Council Richard and Sunny Wicka meeting dt l� c'�.Iri. Ori November 21, 1978� Dr. Edward and Sarann Hanton fOY' d C�ISCUSSlOI1 Of OL]Y' offer t0 settle Lawrence and Fran Butler John and Mary Quigley with the City and avoid further legal pro- Richard and Rose Palen ceedings aris ing from the U.S . Di strict Dr.Vincent and Cathy Eilers COUT't� S Order Of JU1�7� 19 7$ . Michael and Gerry Murray Our presentation will be 4-5 minutes . Please call 227-7271 if anything further is required to be placed on the Council 's agenda. Very truly yours, CITIZENS FOR COMMUNITY ACTION gy 1� �� 'l John D. Healy, Jr. President JDH :jh \ � WHI7E - C�TV CLEkK � (('"�� PtN�K � - Fi'.ANCE • c TT COURCII �F��Q CAn;.ANY - GcOARTMEN7 () I �l�Y O�+ w7l� I ��T �,L� ll L v BLUE., - MAYO« . Fiie N�. ° - `� � •� �� ncil R eso�utio� � ,� Presented Q}� Refer o __ — Committee: Date � Out of Committee By _ Date WHEREAS, in litigation pending on appeal to the Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit, there is at issue the apportionment of liability for payment of attorneys' fees of $5,000 - 8,000 to Planned Parenthood of Minnesota, the outcome of which matter is in doubt and subject to continuing controversy; and WHEREAS, the Council of the City of Saint Paul is desirous of settling and compromising that matter to achieve a final resolution of the matter, the main bulk of which has already been resolved by dismissal of the complaint; and WHEREAS, the Council finds that this settlement and the payment of public funds pursuant thereto is in the public interest and for a public purpose, and will terminate a divisive matter which affects the enti re community; and WHEREAS, the Citizens for Community Action has offered that it will pay the sum of $585.98 in costs if the City will pay the amount of $20,981 .22 in attorneys' fees and costs ; now, therefore, be it RESOLVED, that the City Council accepts the offer of settlement and compromise by the Citizens for Community Action as indicated, and authorizes the appropriate City officials to make payment of City funds in accordance therewith. COUtiCIL;1�EN Yeas N ays � Requested by Department of: �Butler Hozza---" In Favor Hun�--�°' �Levine � __ Against BY —_ �� Showalter �Tedesco Adopted by� Co Date �� 14 f978 Form Approved by City Attorney Certifie assed Counci Secretary� By A�proved b} .1� ate proved by Mayor for Submission to Council � �. By� -- _ By _ -3- I have tried, even at times while in the hospital, to write �etters to the Council knowing that my vote wouldn't count but just so that my colleagues and the public would know my position, which I think they have a right to 1tT e1iS - 2 - the suit finally �resulted in the District Court's order of July 26, 197F3• Among other things, the Court ordered the payment of attorney's fees to Planned Parenthood by the City, and by the City and CCA jointly and severally. 5. CCA has appealed that decision and has filed a brief before the Court of Appeals raising the entire issue as to i�rhether any fees should be paid, and CCA's liability for payment of fees. iJotwithstanding the above, the Council , by its Resolution, and based on a desire to terminate a divisive matter which affects the entire community" , would pay the entire amount of attorney's fees and CCA �vould pay $585.98 in costs. Given all of the above facts, I veto the Resolution for the follo��ring reasons. As a matter of principle, and as a matter of precedent, I consider it bad public policy to undertake the obligations incurred by the intervenors proceeding in matters which the City chose not to pursue. The opportunities for other private � parties to seek reimbursement under similar legal circumstances are almost endless. In a society increasingly seeking solutions to problems by litigation, rs intervenors in zoning matters, human rights matters, land use �ssues (Job Co p , Como Zoo, Park Nursery, Union Gospel P�ission, etc.) could raise issues and expend monies over which taxpayers, through their elected representatives, would have little control . . Under this precedent, I am hard put to see how we could distinguish the claims of other litigants from this one. t,lould we examine the virtue of the litigants? The merits of their case? Their re1ative ability or inability to pay their own fees incurred without prior authorization of public funds? Qr, indeed, might we be responding to the pressures of the rich, the powerful , the well organized and the sophisticated, and ignore those who are not? I do not believe it is good public policy for public officials to enter that thicket. As to the hope to "terminate a divisive matter", no such termination will occur by this Resolution; Other litigants undoubtedly will raise once again th� propriety of the use of public funds for this purpose. The issues which are now raised before the Federal Court of Appeals will then be thrashed over again befare a new judicial forum. We should be aware of the reality of the situation: Neitf�er action by the City nor the Court will reconcile the opposing beliefs of the parties. If there is merit to the CCA appeal , and on that issue I have no opinion, and if it prevails, then the issue will b� put to rest without the expenditure proposed by this Resolution. "If CCA does not prevail , then the City will have retained its right to obtain payment from those litigants who incurred those costs by engaging in an appeal which the City did not authorize and chose not to join. Finally, th2 Resolution would sir�ply offer CCA payr�ent of up to �7,700: A liability it shares jointly with the City. This is the very proposal rejected by the City Attorney at my direction many nonths ago. Although this reversal of administrative recommendation is not the crucial point in my decision, it is worth mentioning fror� trie standpoint of the ability of the professionals working for the City to deal on matters of public interest with consistency and authority. I am fully sympathetic with the strong feelings of the CCA litigants against paying any part of their funds for attorney's fees to an organization whose objectives and practices they vehemently oppose.. r;=�� . . . �ITX Ok' �.�1I�'� ��1.U�� ° V.; •. :,,:�'� G�� '...5(��:_ _ i; '.'.. a i f. r'::;' (:�i'. �:_� O�'FICF OI�' TIIF�: CZT`X GOU1TCI7� � ,��F � ! �'/�`' ` I F�.;!� - •o�' � ' �F! . _ .. � ,�=7� . '��.�_!-�� pa�t e ; December 12, 1978 . -;,.�,;.:�' C0 �`+1� �,�� 1 � L � � � � flii�l T 4 : Soini Paut Ci��► C��:ncil F R 0 �� C 0 tfl R11��Q E' O n CITY DEVELOPMENT A�lD TRANSPORTATI OPt Leonard W. Levine , chairmon, makes fhe fotior�ing _ � report on C. F. [� Ordinance - [�X Resotution . - . . � Other � Jr : _ � .. . . ' . . _ . � .'�. - - - ' . . . - " ' ) � . � �f�� : Settlement of Planned Parenthood Appeal regarding � - � - - � CCA L:i abi l i ty for_ Fees. . . - � . _ The Cormii ttEe recorr�mends adopti on of the attached � - � . - .' resolution. Cf"I'Y•F-ir1I.L SEVEh�I FLQOR SAIIVT PAUL, 1�II�NFSOTA S�IO2 • ,`U,�y _ .f r . ��d;,�F.�.'�$ `` CITY OF SAINT PAUL � � OFFICF OF 2`HE CITY COUNCIL �� ■ seteaaom •�saeaeaose �...,�a ' 1 �� q�� Council P�-esident David H, Hou.a RON MADDOX KARL NEID, JR. Councilman Legislative Aide December 13, 1978 David Hozza, Council President Room 719 City Hall Dear Dave: I am sorry that I will be unable to attend the City Council. meeting scheduled for Thursday, December 14, 1978. I would appreciate it, however, if you coul.d please place this letter on record as my intentions regarding the settlement of Planned Parenthood re�.ative to CCA liability for fees. I would further appreciate it if this could be read at the time of the meeting. It would be my intention if it were legally possib�.e, to favor the paying of the Planned Parenthood fees, as well as those fees incurred by Councilman Patrick Roedler during this debate. In this consideration I also urge that the City Development Committee find out the possibilities of city council members and the mayor being privately insured so that we will not be afraid to exercise our constitutional right as an el.ected official because of peer pressure or pressure of a threatening law suit against us individually as private citizens. As I am sure you are aware, the law does permit suits brought against councilmembers as public officials as well as private citizens. I think in the years �Co come that there will be several heated issues and iti would be absurd to let an elected official be sued privately and financially damaged as �.ong as he is voting based on conviction and not on malace or a get-even attitude. Thank you for reading this letter. Democratically yours, �-G�� Ron Maddox Councilman RM:daj CITY HALL SEVENTH FLOOR SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55102 612/298-4475 O . CITY OF SAINT PAUL OFFICF OF THF CITY COUNCIL .�:.mo� .f....ae.s �a�e�ee RON MADDOX KARL NEID, JR. Councilman Legislative Aide Deceznber 21, 1978 T0: Mayor George Latimer Council President David Hozza Members of the City Council FROM: Ron Ma.ddox Councilman My vote on the issue of overriding the veto at hand has given me a lot of time, which I have had in the last several weeks, to discuss and think and reach what I think is a decision. First of all, T want to clarify from the start that I had prepared to leave the hospital prior to any written notification of a veto so my decision is not based on any grandstanding play and I hope my colleagues would not think that. The three areas that I looked at are: (1) legal, (2) moral., and (3) personal and political. In the area of number 3, I realize that this is a no-win issue. It is to bad that people can�t separate the abortion issue from this veto. Unfortunately, everyone says that they do, but I doubt very much if a lot of people are really doing that. I totally believe that the Mayor has probably delibe�a�ed:-and had more conversations and pressure than any other individual of the elected officials. I have had several discussions with him on his position vs. my posi�ion, even before the election. Secondly, several members of the City Council have talked to me about upholding their side if it should have to come to Council vote. I gave my word on that so T guess the overriding factor, as well as the personal and political items, are that I do not want to see the day when the City Council has to be pressured because of the fear of a law suit if he or she does not vote the way of their conscience and what is right, rather than who is right. CITY HALL SEVENTH FLOOR SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55102 612/298-4475 � `'' b5 -2- As has been referred to in the news media as opening the can of worms, or pandoras box, I do not feel that this relates in this case for the following reason: at one point in time the City Council had four votes which would have been the city's position on this issue. Consequently, when the Ma.yor overrode the Council's position and the Counci� could not pick up the fifth vote, the Mayor's opinion was then the opinion that the City Attorney had to uphold, leaving the City Counci� without legal assistance. I can't remember the last time this happened, but to compare it to a time when this might have taken place is not a logical comparison because you would have to compare apples to apples, otherwise you would be comparing oranges to peaches. I think that is an area rather than talking about what could happen in the future is something that the Rules and Policy Committee should look at immediately because if four members of the City Council feel strong�y enough on an issue that they should have at least the legal protection of counseling in case of an override and in making that statement I tiru�y understand the difference between the strong Mayor and weak Mayor form of government. I hope I am wrong, but from some of the phone calls tihat I have been receiving in my office parts of this city do not agree with my pos3tion. I also believe that I have separated the issue and I am not concerned about Planned Parenthood vs. the Citizens for Community Action. I am concerned with what is right in my conscience and how to best display my willingness to do what is right. In the area of the legal consideration I submit the fo�lowing: I am voting to override the Ma.yor`s veto and to settle the Citizens for Community Action appeal by accepting their payment, as the Council voted last week. It is not good public business to use $5,000 of the City Attorney's budget to fight an appeal to try to collect a doubtful and contested nlaim for about $5,000. We are better off to take $585 and have a bird in the hand. If the city loses the appeal, we have wasted $5,000 of our budget, and have put citizens to an unnecessary expense. If more hearings are needed after this appeal, the city would on�y spend more for attorney's fees. I am not intimidated by public threats o£ taxpayers suits. The City Council can settle a law suit according to our best judgment. It would have been very easy for me and logical to side step this issue by rema.ining in the hospital. At the time I was to1d, a week ago, that I could leave when the headaches were gone, I had no know�edge of what was coming up today. So getting out of the hospital as was planned to dn and not coming out to vote on an issue such as this, I feel would be hypocritical. -' _ �1,3�wa�±�?w� - ----- -- 0 `� + � � � �� .�� - , � ,-.. .-� � � .,, _ ; � � `'' � � � � �y �.s �� i '' � s.� 1io909��.9;A�91�.47.?i b�i9.RA4?i�'10..7►Y+ . .. � �7t!A: (� t;��N . . . '� I . n-•;,t� .�^°n•n--- r y"i-rP.�,"Y . ' •�J�..ly t; .,.. �.? l:i 1 �'v�ittilr3.(J r`� Liiv� `� ?� ` � l i 3 �` ' � �;�:�!'t' r�l�T�::;;'a�';� 4 -------- ---______________________ _�--..--x 5 In th� �jIatter of Es�a'o�ishr,ien� o� tY?z A'�ortion raci�iti�s at 196� Ford Parkwav� _ 6 high?an� Park, St. Pau�, ;iTinnesota � 7 ----------------------------------------x � -'�I 8 . �- 9 � ,x � �„ , 10 Th�e above City Council meeting cam� on for .� p�� <�: � � hearing in the C�uncil Chamb�rs. Third Floor, City �-ia?1 : y� �: 12 and Court House� St. Paul, :�Zinn�sota on the 2�tn day �f r . � •, 13 t�aY. 19?0� c4mmencing at approxi�ate?y 1Or30 o' clocls in �; 14 the f�renflan. : ,�.. 15 . . 16 APFEARANCyS: 17 18 P�SIDENT H�ZZA COi3NCI�tr'!AN Ch.''�ISTENSi,N 19 COUNCILr�iAiV ROE�7LER COUiaCII,1'+1A�d �YI,VES'�"E� 20 C��NCTL�;�.ai1 "'EDESC� COUNCI?„+.A� I.�VIi�' Z� .r'rl7Uiv�'iIL`u��1�'I.al�' :1Vi:i� C�TY AT1^QRi��Y SEGI�L 22 ��U!`d�Ii, ?�L�C�?D3R �ZS��; 23 ( 24 � '� '� � 25 °?. �—T.— _ _ LUGAN � S i YR�ICK! --- --- -- COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 855 FIP.ST NATIONAL 3ANK BLDG. i SAINT PAUL, M�NNE:iOTA SSlpl 291-1095 i . � � � ^�77��T"'`.f r�+•.nnti7�u�? 1�� , � � � ;- t ��'U1�1v.;1J ,:�.f«�.,i•,....;.:.l. t. v_::a`:�:'T= lincf.'��:n :.iii 4.�:�"' l � � . � � �':�iJ..''I�JC� rt�ve�.l�..i'v11�}� 1�.�1��i�� C� �Jy,.'..—�j..it7�L�t 3 m,i�� L:Ji�.�iia .�.il +.�� Qe].� t�U Sj.l.�:J{lll�.�i� L V! �}''.Jti�iJll 4 �'a��1� ties ��iihin th� Ci��,- o� S t, P�ul an� 5 �i2^eCtir�g the P�anning CLmmissian and a b �ouncil commit��e to conduct studies on the � 7 e�fec�s of such facilit�es and zhe a�vzsabiii 8 tif ?icensing �r regulat�ng separate aborti3n 9 faciliti�s. 10 PRESIDENT H�Z2As This �natter has i�een 11 continu�d sincs iast ;rreek. A� that ti�ne the 12 City Coi:.�cil dirsct�d the City Cler'_z �o send 13 by registered mail an inv�tation to the 14 i�I�n,�eso�a Plarned Parenthood to be here �_ _ � 15 today. Al.so ;ra� sant invitations -to several 16 State ag�ncies asking th�m ta belEre ta 17 ansNer qupstior.s that t?��e Council �ay hav� . 18 i�Tay I sugg�s� this in terms of pr�^edure: 19 I �hink that you should h�ar from th� 20 ��Iinn�sota P�arined ParenLh�od �irst an$ any 21 peaple �that �na;� v�ish to ha�re t�stify. 22 Secor.dly, I ' � Iike to haar :f�^om, L.�e State 23 a�Qncies :�rzie� h�vz �p��; �� i�-�r� zn ±�rr:!s 2�} O� �:18 uuBS�i�;:S +�.Zl�� 11� i��l;�i1L'?.:. rl�`J ':1?:'a. ZS � . . f�. ' 1 � 1 C' C7Cf.^ .i y., 1�"?E?i1 I ��0'��..0 �.1_:e e,0 ��a�� ..� � tP�� t22 �Gc3'i'fiS C7i �� . LGG�1�V � STY�2BtCKi COURT REPORTING AGtNCY \b' 855 FIRST NAT!ON.4! B4'��C BLDG SAlNT PAUL, htINNESOTA 55101 291-1095 — — ----- --- -- � _,.. < t .�art:�;.��r ,e>>t�m=»;,r �i.at �,v� h.�ar ��,��,r.at�ly , . 2 i ;�rs�, �'ro~: �:�e pr��F�n�n�s ar.i �ren t_i? 3 �p�onen�s on�-r�al,� h�ur a t a u?me. So .in 4 c��n��r �or�1s , �:n� p�^opone:?�ts ivou�d 'nav� a 5 1 ha�f hour an� �he oppo:�enL� w�uld hava ha1.� 6 an hoar and =vould �ave the flo�� un��i �ve � 7 ��'inish. i�Iow� I �r�ould ask thar �n� C�uncil � 8 I set Lh� procedures befora we get into t�.is. 9 i,�r. R�edler? 10 COUNCIZ��7AP1 ROEDLER: Mr. Chairman, I ; 1 ] would jus-� lik� to sugaest that Rosalie 12 Butl�r . comz up and sit dos+m with us up here 13 because th�re =��ill pr�bably b� some decis�.ons �r 14 tnat tr�ill be r�ade after�var�3s anc3 I thin'_� - • 15 r�aybe sne raight want to take some no t�s and 16 hav� a chair. 17 PRESIDENT H�2Zas �4r. Roedler, I thi;z'.� 18 °ti�a�:' s an excell�nt suggestion. ' i�zss. Butler, 19 wauld you accep-t our invita±ion? 20 ROSALiE BUTi,r R: s ha nic s a ?o t. 21 PRESID��iT ?��Za: ,,Irs, Butler, I sai� 22 tha�� -- � sugg�st�d tnat ��.rst �r;e h��r from `l� �:;=''- :"? _"17185J�8 x.�L?2:_"?�{i ��".''.?1.�',:i�1t�t� r�. ;�i� �.�s'?1� � o � � Z4 y�?u� � �ha;. , �,a�� ;��i�:t t� :��;� v��;,ii y. 25 i� S��ru , �;�a� y>s h?ai f�om ih� S�a UQ �;�d ,I I I � � -- — IOGAN � STY�BiC!(I COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NA.TICNAi BANK BLDG. SAINT PAUI, M�NNESOTA 55101 291�1095 � -- - --- 4 � i � � 1 � m�t�°.��;�litan �U;�;:,��.�s t::a�; -�J� ,�ave in�ri. ��d 2 �� e n.2re �ar an;� q,.��s�i;�� hat t�^_� City 3 G�ancii n:�a;y- h�v� . A��.�i t:�iira t ��ha t ;�;� h�ar 4 a��arr_a��ly ��om tn� gr�p�nen�ts and oppon�nU� 5 for on�-hal�' hcur at a tim� . 6 RUS�LIE BUT�,R s I ha�r� no obj ecti.on to � 7 tha�. Ho;vevQr, I �hink in de#'Qrenc� ta the g fact that the supporters of this res�lutior� 9 had the entir� meezin� last time tha} we 10 should have as r�uch �ime as is necessary by 11 the Planned Parenthood to support their 12 position, and i�' �im� does not ailow �Ne could 13 perhaps hav� any kind of responss �o the �°" 14 points tha� we made +o�ay by baLh sides at � 15 the TL��Sd�y m8etirig. 16 P�SIDEiVT HOZZAs Vzry �ine. Is �his 17 pro�edure �th�n a cc�pta'�?e ,vi th the o ther 18 me�bers Qf tn.e Cour�cil? 19 Pf'�. P,OEDLER; It' s acce�table but I'd 20 al.�o Iike �o suo��st that �ve a�t least gat a 2� shaw of hanas and possibly pas� arour.� ,np 22 y�?lo;ar pa� �t� i�av� th� pe;;p?e tha� r�iant �o 23 � tes �i�;; i�:;'ic3 ;:.? }.za t �.z�;� :�:an t �� a s� ; � 24 � a�d th�n �,r� •,�a°��? h�vxi �r� ;.d�� _n�:x� r�:,3,A�� P�fl 25 i are g�:.rsg ��o u-��i#'tf �r, � a ��as i ;;3 t`..2w! .r0? � „ �- �2-' • ,� - 1 LOGAN 8 S�YR.�ICK! COURT REPORTING AGENCY W A55 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BLDG. f SAINT PAUL, MWyESOTA 55101 I 291 1095 i � Z.:'i:s� .'� �'.�S �+71.?"i� �O i�°.,1_{@ . 118 ?:aV� a:"'i �':�:�t,�p.�.�i.y 1 � 2 ��.:rz� �g�n�a and Z t:�in�: ;;e tian :��;�� hir�gs 3 alc�:.o. 4 =RESI�;�P;`i' HCZZ:�: I thi �i i <<.r, r��l�r, 5 tha�' s a g�ou sugg�s�ior_. Is �i ��:�r !�,iss 6 Cunnin�ham or :.�iss E�ners h�re? �r "�r. h'avise. � � r:�;ss I,andry, �rould yau �ir_� pa�sing around -- 8 �Jhy don' t you gzt a caupl� of legal pads and g �ass them around an each side af �he roo:�. 10 �iTe will taks the names 3lternately on tn.e 1 1 lis�, i�Iz�. Christ�nsen? 12 (�iscussion oif the r�cord hetween 13 Presiden-� Ho�za and Councilman � 14 Ch�istens�n. ) � 15 16 PRESIDLi�IT HOZZAc Y�s. If peopie -that 17 sign up on the sheet wou?d , if you c�uld say 18 �vhether yau a�� going to speak �'or or against 19 �the resoiution, we would apprec?a�Q i�. Tnen 20 wz •,vi?I f�11oN thil pr�cedures of a h�i�' hour 21 each ;z�ay as Y�� sugges�e�. Ii fihos� p�ccz�ures 22 a�e a�c�p va�le and th�r� �s r.� o�j��?an to 23 tro,�� ,,��o�2�u>es , I :v�u�c? ask ii� a r2r,,�s�tlia- 24 i�-J� iro� �th? :�Iinn��s�La ?i�n.r,,�,� rar�ntno:�d is 25 � pr-.��::�,:' ?.°�� fo�- a.� �,�� ha� t�� n� .� � S :� �ia.��s v��ay� �� ~ 4 -- LOGAN 8 S�YRBf�KI � k � COUQT REPORTING AGENCY � W 855 FIRST NATIONAI BAN�< BLOG. II SAiNT PAUL, MINNESOTA 5�101 291-;095 � � �� rOU i,J'!�� S�`i,`cli,° ;�OLI�' i`:?�iu2 dT'_� r3Li�Y'@SS O7' 2 Or�,an.�zat102'?3� c'3 ci�i:.a�1J7: V1'' ;`lOL2_(� at�}" y'i2^e�l��'i,2 3 i±, 4 '�'HO��IAS y,E��R: �,r. Pr�sident� members �# 5 the Cou.ncil, my name is Tna:�as r�eber. I am 6 e�c��u�ive director of Planned ?arenthood of � 7 r+Iinnesota. 8 A good deal of insorr�ation h�s best� 9 carried by the r,l�dia and has been nresented 10 b�fore �his council pursuant to Planned ll Paren±hood �f P:Zinnesota ' s recent purchase 12 of a facility in -th� Hig�?and Villa�e area 13 0� S�. Paul. Unfortuna��ly, much of tha t � 14 ini�rMation has r�ajor lnaccuraci�s in it. • 15 �oth the informa4�on that has heen carried 16 ��for� �he publi� by th� media and that whicin ]7 �vas pr�sentad b��a�e th� council. 1$ Tt1y purpvse in appearing today is , 19 th�re�ore, tr�o-fold: First. to �ntroduce 20 ar,d i�Qntify �he re�resentatives of Planned 21 Pa�^�n�n.o�� of .;Ii.�tnesota �,,r'�o t�viil adwy'@S5 th� 22 cour��ii on p�ints of ir��r?st a::d, secondly, 23 �'i.'� S .`,3ru �°�v;y �O 2ri�;;°i 3ii;y `.�:.I.°S��i.OriS ��."',�� 24 � �rJ'�i:!::i� I'I�?i?luc''�'S iT:2� �'1�it� ::�n�;?�"2''_=!1°' ��::x'1Cl8{� � � `zrJ ±='�'_"�'P�t'30�C1 J� i:111.:�SJ�� JUT i.Z'O��'.?.:?1S � t3?li K �OGAPd 8 S�YRSICKi COURT REPpRTING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BLDG. SAINT PAUL, ."AiNNE50TA 55101 291•i 095 i i� , I I � 1 I �zrti._c��s �xi ��a� n�l�ci�s. � � 2 ��ith �n.� c�L�r��i1s p��m�ssi�n I >vould 3 � li:�� tc ;ntr�duce #'irs� t:�e �resi�en't cf �hn 4 b�a�d cT �irectors of Pianr:ed Pa��nihoo� of 5 ��2�nn�so La , se�retary of the T:T?d;�r�st ?e�;?on b of �our�cil of P�.anne�l Parenthaod Federation • 7 of America and �n�mber of t:�e rat?ona� board 8 and vnlunteer in our or;anization for over 9 a decade, Kit Briggs, who svishes to addr�ss 10 th� council. 11 COUNCII�f�IAN TEDESCO: ��Ir. Hozza? 12 PRESIDENT HOZZA: T�ir. Tedesco? 13 ��JUi�ICILP,�AN TEDESCO: I' d iike to make one 14 requ2s�t of anybody coming be�ore the �icro- �. � 15 phor�e. I'd like to know their home address 16 and �,vh�re you are aIl coming �rom. 17 PRESIaENT H�ZZ�: t'�Ir. iedesco -- 18 COUI�ICII,MAI`d TEDLSCO : Is that akay? 19 P:`�ESI�LIV"'i' H�Z ZA: I think T,vha t �ave 20 sugg�sted is tha� th� peop3e identify tnem- 21 se?v=s and give their ho�e address ar 22 organiza�ior_al af�"iIi at?�n. tvo�,��, if ot�^.er 23 ( p�Jp�.E' ',�2?1� i,J ^'.•1�Y2j£' �i�� :1?' p?Jpi� �'t3'1� t� 2� �I . OIUri�a..i.� 7 ;� �; �. •,. .,,.� Y. n � � I '� r ,y �,iv us �r.._� :.�:::,. �dd..e�� , �that � 25 �'ir�¢ '�u w I tx�. ' �: fa _w r:=�- nd c�u��-�s,y �o : 1 I�l t1 i a ..>;� c'3 � �.�i7A� � S�Y�� COURT REPORTlNG AGENCY I W 856 rIRST NA?IONAL 8A\K BLDG. SALVT PAUL, P�1INNESOTA 55101 � 291 1095 8 � 2 r�Y'�i�0�;f '�}:��p J c'3�.�'7c��'� �F?@I1 �i?�? COL2i7C�.L r S � . 2 i r�c�dta�e an�� j,�,;,ulrl bz r��,��ant �o :;nange 3 .Z� 3� i.:1.s ��1.27� . 4 v�U1Vl:�L'it:.�i� 'w'lT'.'.�is�',Q: J'd�il' :'78 vails r::a�;e 5 it �ro�untary. 6 KIT B�IGGS: P�r. P�esideri� and chairman i � o�' tha Ct7UZ2C�1, my name is Ki-t 8.��.gos. I am $ presic3ent of Planned Parenthood of T;i:ir!esota. 9 I 1iv� at 1201 Edmor.d Heiohts in :'d?nr.sapolis. 1� ��1ay I begin by thanking ;�au for all�wing > > us ta appear befors this council toCay. I �2 ap�reciate your concez�!1 and your ef�orts to 13 have objectivQ informa�ion fairly placed �` 14 o�:F�re this council. • �S Plannad ParAnthood of ��Iinneso�a tiyas 16 arigana?Zy iormed in 19�8 by a group of » r�sponsible zvomen r�c��nizsd �he need ar.d 18 set about to establish appr�priate proorams. 19 Thase v�omen who were, in �'a�t, pillaxs af 20 Lhe community and , I might a�d, courageous 21 °�o say the v�?^y laast, �onated thair �ime 22 ari� iheir er�ergiQ;� and d�ve ioped th� basic `Z3 i :'��?.i;'1 c�",?�Y' a L��C�i.i:f° ;r•� i -�1, +-i �� 2X:S�a itlr' ` 4 �V�_.. ..•L J L.� . . . 24 I �is �,'o��;J. '�'h� :':'J�?-�c��i:�J�1 P1"O _;�Ct:on .L2nQu�3 �� 25 w�hi^h �va, -- an� su+�h ap�r�pr;��e s?;��ss�rs � � —� � � LOtJA(`d � STYR81CK1 � COURT RtPORTWG AGENCY I W 656 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BLDG. I SAINT PAUL, �Y?iNNESOTA 55101 291-1095 � Q ! � i �s3�i,F:� iii:`Jt;.'2 c`�5 �;:=3 i�'�l.li'1�Si7�f.`3. BiY'�' n � { :: ..cr�trol t 2 ��agu�, �i�?� S t. �'au�. T:ia t�lr_aa.. H�aI t:� C�nc�l. 3 tt7*�S�f iOUi'it,y L�ague ?GZ' FiBririQ� ��?^�;?��`?OC�. 4 a�l are �Iar.ne� parznthoo� aifil.�a�;�� ;Ar��thin 5 uhb;�sel��es ar_d uitimately ms�ge� in 19?i in�o 6 �'1an��d Parentho�d of �.ii:ines�fa , a single � 7 ;tat�-:vidA agency. 8 Throughout our hiatory we ha�re b��n 9 conc�rned witi� individual rights and, in 10 particular. the right of any indivzdual -to � 11 vo lun-�arily and effectively c�ntrol har o�rn 12 ier�iZiLy. From day one our positian has 13 been �ha� of providing educa-�ional schooZs � 14 for womsn necessary to us� in ma:Kin� their , 15 own responszble and important decisions about 16 °�h�ir a��m Ii��s, �his co�nr�it?nent �o �he 17 �ducation�l process has gro•rm to �ne point 18 �v?�ere in 1975 �Ye served nearl y 35,000 19 TrIir.r_asotans �vi thin tne con�ext o�' our ZO educatzonal. I�Z^pgrams . pro�rams ;vhich� by tne 2I ,vay� ;ypre co�^�ue�'d at th? ;nvz�atinn o.i 22 jucn gr�ups as �n� Zino Lak�s R�ha�i?.i�`ation 23 v��'2t'2;."i i�l��'�"0��.�..:.�a.''1 �'ralr�i??� v£,'3't�;'ar� 2� � ( :r�c��i�na� ��,:��1s anr: ��I�an�s a�d t1,a �rJ ii:l:L"!�-?5i7t� �s�r'�'�C';1CI1r'3� i17S-L1 ii.i�?O� iQl" �ir0::'1@Tl �• — — �. LOGAN 8 STYRBICK! I COURT REPORTiNG AGENCY W 856 FIRST NAT!ONAL BANK BLDG. I SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291-1095 f 1C � 1 a:, �{;e'_I as v:� �ioriai �cho��l in i�:inr.�apolis . , : 2 ?�1� celieve ti:�at ai;�v� ��. tr�t �'r.� roacl �o 3 rasa�nsi o�� b�r��av�.or �ust �z :�re?1 paved �vi�h 4 iactual a;�d curr�n� info�r:a�tian. �::��ica? S services w�r� also an early par-� of our 6 p�ogram, and our conc9rn f�r the availabi].ity • 7 ar.d th� e�f�ctiv� an� r�edica�iy safe and 8 madically prov�d r�ethods for fartility 9 control has al��vays been paramaun�. Tney 1� �raditionally brought �orth -- had a medical 11 atiplication and for years tNOrked with 12 , pnysicians in updati:ig tneir knowledge and 13 same understanding o� th2 latest advances in �4 co��racepLive t�chnalogy. Zast year we 15 affered �the states onl�r fa�ily pianning ta 16 star-� thsir inifial �ra�ning program in th� 17 S-ta�s of ty�inn�sota in cooperation �vi th the �8 Universify of ?�Iinnesota and S�at� Hsal�n 19 ��par�trip�L. 20 �rde have aeen a ma jor car.tributor t� the 21 �r�fes�ion�l �rainir� oa counselors � ou�-r�ach 22 v�orn�rs , clinic systAms an� administrativQ 23 s¢3�;�s oi .�'a:�;�y �lar.n�n� pr�ara��s t`zr��u�;��ut 24 I :1?:er��J�� ia!j � �:,�r a 'r� }-pr- • p� j I� . -�� L..J �J r�..1.r . '. 25 � In 19,�� Uhp Pla:tr.�d F:3?^�:]�ho:�d of iv1i�?neso a ��. LOGAN 8 STYRSICKI COURT REPORTI^!G AGENCY bV 856 FIRST NArIONAL BANK B:DG. SAINT PAUL, MINNE�OTA 55107 . 291�1095 — — .L 1 t 1 I se::��a 2q,000 pa �ier.ts �NZ�r�n i�s c�inica� � � � 2 pro��U�. i,�e�ic�I s�rli�es �r��rzd�� i^cl�ade 3 ' cc��rnpl e�e pzlvic a�� b.�^eas� �_��m�n�tions , 4 d:i�gnos1s and tr�at�snt o� ven�:real dise�se , 5 diagrosis and trAa�ment o#' nild gyrec�logi�al b s.�f�e��rs� scr�ening t�sts for �iabet2s and , � (ir�au�ible) moni�oring for signs of hype�- � 8 tension, pap sm�ars �'or �he early d�tec�ion 9 of c�rvical cancer. It� s in'teres�ing to note 10 t�en a t . this point that contrary to nationally 11 paps w�re id�nti�iad as one of the largest 12 cervical cancer d�tection pragrams in the 13 Uni�ed S�ates . Planned Par�r.thood of i�!Iinn�sot � 14 also prov�.des a21 medica�ly acc�pted r�eans of i15 contraception. 16 As a board, ��re are terribly c�ncernsd 17 with the fact that for som� af our �i.tizens �8 pregr.ancy termina tions may be beco*ning a �9 me-thod o#' birth control. ihe �t�Tinnesota 20 �b�r�ion Surveiila:�ce Sys tem recer.tly issuQd 2 i s�a ti s�i cs wni ch sho��ed over l l per cen� o:� 22 P:Iir_nesola womQn �vno sauoh� an a�aorti0?"s ?n 23 ( �975 r�p�r�zd hav�� ha� p:.^ia� a��;�r�i�r�s. 24 �� SGi7:? !'2��JY'�:.'+� �� ?';:�71,�1 8S �"i.;?1"R? � iJUZ' a?'?C: SO?i1$ 25 i e,..�n �i.�e Frio� a��t�cns. i an�.� r�v b�ard ar� #�. _ �. — LOGAN & STYr�BlCKI COJRT REPORTING AGENGY W 85h FIRST NATIONAL BANK BLDG. SAWT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55!Oi 291•1�95 ,L L � 1 appall�d �� thase f�-�ur�:;s and w � is our � I 2 � ?j L�n+ion t� d� �verythin� in our �s��N�^ to 3 r��uce �he ��.nands ior �:�is pr��ad�are . A;� a 4 rQsu?� , we voted ?n January o� this year to 5 ixiclu�e firs� trimest�r ab�rticr� services 6 for all patients within o�ar 8X1S�1n.� Medical • � program. I� is our strongly held conviction $ t�za� �vhen pregnancy term:inations ars provided 9 wi thin -the framework of a comprehensive �� contraceptive program� a program which holds 11 as its nos-t fundamental purposes the develov- 12 ment of s�xual responsibili�ty and the 13 consis�ent us� of contraceptives among th�se 14 wor�en v�no are already ssxually active. And � • 15 t:nat when a comple�e year of contraceptivQ �b �are is made an integral part o� the abor�ion » procedurs process � then }he repea-t rate #'or �g abortions will significantZy drop. This has �9 proved �o be tr.e case in other ci ti�s for thos 2� patien�s t��ho haY,re received aborti�ns ,v?�h?;� 21 �he Piarnad Par�n-�hoad �rograms. 22 I r�ould li_{� -�o ad� a �»rd h�:r� a�o�at �ur 23 ��c�l.a;: p?-��r_�n�„r �cuns��lir�� ro�r��. In ��e 24 �..`l. ��i. �'2�1"� 'D°.t ✓Z't� ''i,ll�? I_t��3 LtI°1�.tQL``. ,.ri Lr.`3. t�S 25 ��apx��_,�� Court d�cision� a gr�at :aany �vh� w�r� , -. LOGAN � S7Y��iCKi ` COURT REPORTING AGENCY ! W B56 FiRST NA7lCNAL BANK BLDG. � SAINT PAUI, M�NNESl7TA 55101 � 291-1095 �J 1 � pr�g:��n� a�� =r;ho ha1 a?r��;-�� eci�?e3 �n an i 2 a:��r��on ca?�e �o us for a re�erral , Sznc� 3 �ita � ��.:np a��rv��n h�s �:aco�:e a 3.eg�� :;.�riical 4 ��rvi�� an� �°re ex�ec��d a c]ro� ir. coL~r�selling 5 prQgrar:�s . Unexp�ciedlY� h:�v�;�tfQr, ou� 6 c�unsQ?ling c3seload has inc�eased eve?°y year � 7 ( sinc� 1973 thes� ;=romen no longer need aur 8 re�'erral servic� but they do need and do 9 seek our ob jec�ive counsellir_g. �ae are 10 kno�,vn to be a fair -- ta be fair and non- 11 judgmen�al and to pres�nt in an unbiased 12 fashi�n an entir� range of alternatives. 13 The location ar_t� the cost of procedures 14 involv�d in pre-r.atal care, �he availability � • 15 of h�mss #'or unwed mo�hzrs, th� services 16 provided� �'o� instance , uy Lutnsran Saeial 17 Services and Seton House, th� possibility of �$ so�e fos�ter care, adoption, �the �xpanding 19 role and r�sp�nsibiliti�s of �he sar.gle 20 parent, the avaiiabiiity cf au�si�u. #'inancia� 21 a�sis�ance and �Lhe fac�ors surrounuing teena�e 22 marria;es as ��i as ::h� f�c�.v �f �regnancy 23 � ��ir�a�:i�n. :�1szr�n a pa��»t :�� Ii �F t:a ti �4 il ? r:��:'..".:.��i0?2 S'tt8 4`11�.� O� 1i1 � 'G�'�L;:� �'_•�•�� 25 pers��a3.ly to :��r p s;,�e r��±�s�:ic c�c�siens '� J LOG�►iV � �7YR�tCK1 COUQT REPORTING AGENCY W 855 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BLUG. SAINT PAUI, MINNESOTA 55101 291-1095 1� � 1�r i'��'�'SAZf. � .,, 2 �ou �a�.T c� �urprisz� an� should �e 3 °r�cau��ageu L� i��r that �r_ 1�75 2 , 300 t�yoren 4 ��:�e �o us ��r problem c�unsel�?r�o -- :for 5 problem preonanvy counselling. Oi that 6 r.unber 1040 ch�se to be ref�r�ed for a�artions. i7 You sh�uld also be asvare that �'lanned 8 Parentnaod of IQinnesota has in the past a�d 9 will c�ntinue in the future to make everv 10 attempt� to not see unemancipated Minors for 11 problem pregnancy counselling or aborti�ns 17 �vithout having the counsel and consznt of 13 sonz respons�b3e adult ��vho is a�ready a part 14 of that minor' s life in the worl�. �. : _ � 15 The selectian of the Ford Parkway 16 location �vas nad� �ft�r nearly a year of 17 f�rmal. eva�.uation of space needs wi�hin the �8 .�et?'opolit8tl area t and herg primary interest 19 �•�as given to the n�eds of our adm.inistrative 2a ape.rations. In Sept�mber o.� 197� the board 21 indicated a pre�eranc� to purchase rathar 22 t.har_ Iease, ar.d after Iooking at nearly 20 23 ��t�i�:an�s d�ci��d ina� �he F'or� k ar'_:��yay 24 ia�il�vy :�t�s ,",��5 t sL�ite�+ ;,� ou?^ .�ILil L3.�:.? 25 � � n��s . as I'm sure you are �li a�aare, ±his �� LOGAN 8� STYRSICi{I COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FIRSi NAT!ONAL BANK BLDG. SAtNT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291-1095 lj � l bu�ld�n; has ��^.�� usaby� �loors and i 't ;s # 2 o�:r inienti�n tc use ther: as ��IIo;A�S: i irst 3 o:i a�� o h�u�� o�r s�a t�-,i�de admin�s trative 4 headqaarters � anc ihis set of funct�on� trill 5 d�mar.d th� single largest amount of sNa^e b ti;riLhin the �uil�ing; secondly, in terms �f : 7 total space use the floor -- the Iotiver f?oor 8 ti;�i31 contain the �opulation resour�e center 9 as wpll as conference, meeting and -traini.ng 10 facilities; thirdly. the first floor will be 11 devoted to a scheduied �nedical clinic ;�rhich 12 will be included a complete and comprehensive 13 contraceptive clinic as well as the clinic � 14 for the first trimester a�ortior_s for those ! �� p�ti�nts who ch�ose them. 16 A�pointM�nts will be requi.r�d. and this 17 is true in most p�.ysicians' offic�s. Al1 �$ servic�s proz�ided will be entirely voluntary 19 in nature, as they are throczghout al1 of 20 Plann��3 Parentnood of P:'linnesota' s clinics . 21 I urg? the �ouncil to carefull;� r�vie;�� 22 the cbjec�iv� c;ata a:�d to consider Lhe hist�ri 23 �osi�zo�� o#' P?ann�d Fa�en�::��a�, �o�h ;��st�:in 24 01.;.T' N�� :?d T;IiS Cotz_ri��';)r� � p0�1 �s.0r` ti^,i' 25 volu?�te2rism, i:-�dividual dignityr �rd fre��om � � LOGAl� 8 STYR$ICKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NATIONAL 8,4NK BLDG SAINT PAUL, MINVESOTA 55101 I 291-1095 1 � ar��. r�sg�ns��ili �y an�. t� �,�:�ders-t;ar.a �he � 2 bas�.c rami�ic�ti�ns of �es+rictiVe and 3 d?sc�imina�ory :�episla�ion .vhic�, Li21:�'OZ'�ur.a+e -,- 4 su�,jec�s heal�th care t� poli�ical dptermina- 5 �zon. The resoliztion no�v be�'ore �he council 6 ir�volves far More than mere permits . I ask • � for your most deceni judoment and I tna;+.k you 8 for yaur �ime and att�ntion. 9 PRESIDENT HOZZAc Than'.� y�u. �� THOP�AS '�IEB�R s Let me assur$ the council 11 we ;a�ill nat take all �he morning' s v��orth of 12 testimony. 13 Our second spea�er is Dr. Zouise nyer. � 14 Dr. Tyer is the vice-�resident for medical � 15 _ affairs of Plannsd Parenthood Federation af 16 Am�rica . She's th2 forner head of tne �� division of fanily planning, the Ameri.can 18 Council of Obstetri�s and Gynecology. Dr. 19 Tyer current�y serves an three specia? panels . 20 in oi�ste�rics and g;rnecalog;� ti�aith the Food 21 ar�d D�ug Administration. She's a cor.sul�ca;�� 22 �o �he :�Iorld He�lfih Orgar.ization in �ne ar�a 23 of i�;,ii;y> p?arir.��, an� ;•�a� a ��nzrer.vr of ti�e 24 .uen�r L^�e.� of �'e�z�:�, ��:;u�a��.on �r,d :3-�i��'��A 25 in�e�dxscip�i�iary tas'� force dvn�ch es La;+ish�d �: LOGAN 8 STYRBICKt COURT REPORTING AGENCY 1N 856 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BLDG. SAINT PAUL, PAINNESOTA 55101 291-1095 l� �. 1 �h� 7nLd:�.ca1 ��a:^��ards for :�amily �lar.nin� � 2 pragr��r�s � all :�'�i�iily �718.r1.�lirig prograr:;s „hicil 3 �n�r��ved go;re:�n�:�:��al �unds through the 4 li��t�d Sta�es . Dr. �I'y�r �i�T0�1iG li:�� to sp�ak 5 solel� to the :r_edi�al issues ir.volvs�. 6 DR. ZCUISi iYE'R: ::�y na:�e is Dr. L�uise • 7 Tyer, Fell�w of th� A�erican Coll�ge of 8 Obs�e�tricians an�. Gynecologists. . i�ly address , 9 Planned �aren�hood �'ederation �f A,-nerica , 10 8IQ-7th� Avznuz, 1�'�w York City. 11 I apprecia�e the opportunity tn ap�ea� �2 b��ore you today �o present to you in�'orr�ation 13 cancerning Planned Fargnthood's role in 14 women' s nea�tz care. ;�te have heard `�it Briggs; �. • 15 �r�sident of Planned Parenthood of i�linnesota , 16 d'_:aCL1SS -the origin and history of the state- » ;vide organ�zatior.. This affiliatz rs�resents 18 one af almost 2�� siri.ilar or�aniza�ions t� -�hroughout �he na�ion :veld�d together by 20 comr:con go�ls. �'h�se 20p. or�anizatiors 21 ap�r��e '�00 clinics p�oviuing comnrsha�2si*re 22 reproduc��ve naalth services for T�vo::7en. 23 t�ve_^ L?�:: �s tihe s^o�� #'..�r ��v��:�ct;zr� � 24 h��i tl� c�i� ��r� •;ro��n has �.,�a:de_: �,^, has � 25 F�.an_�p3 Par�n�ho�d's .�,a��a t� �o ex;�and � �s F' -�, �LOGA�! � STYR81CK1 _ COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NATIOtiAI BANK BIDG. SAlNT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291•i Q95 i i 1 d�liv�ry sys�em �o m�e+ tr.�s� needs. �'larn�� 2 �arer��;I��o� � bo�:i l�cally and naii�na�.1y, �:as 3 sh��,�r� a g�o�iaing co�::��.trn�rz;, to im�rot•i� t.he 4 pu��ic r��al-th, parzi�ularly �NOm�.�`s h�alth 5 � care as �'o�usA� u�on by :vomen �rho are no�N 6 i� our �imQ mor2 �han �ver before raking kno 7 tneir de�nands for good health �are and freed� � ' $ o#' �hoi�e i.n regard to �heir reproduction. 9 ��Jomen th�mselves � alon.g wi�h the g�owi:ig 1� a�var�ness and sensitivi�y on the part o� the 11 legislaturas, have been responsib�e .�or the �2 world-ZA�ide trend to make l�gal ar.d safe 13 abortion r�ore widely available ta resolve � 14 �he otherwise insoluble problem of un��ranted � �� pregnancy. Planned Paren�hood firmly believss �b that �he ��neiits of contracept�an �ar outweig 17 �nose flf abor�ion and strives consvantly to 18 an� +hrough educa-tion to �ake con�raception 19 avazlable to all individ�.ials 4vishing and 20 needing these services, io doeuMer.t �ris 21 I snall quote only t'r�e f��s t p�ragraph of a 22 po3icy statemzn� of Planne� Paren�hoo� 23 S'�''@�8Y'3}:_Ji'? Oi A:ngr1C8?7 C21 tl''L'C,T"C��:1 8� i4;�.CiY$> � 24 i "1��ai1:?�Cl� ='��i.^Q:1�.1:'J��G, 'f�'?y.�.tTL'�il t�.3'1_?-}' . -�'1'a.v. � � � 25 � opt�ru:� n.�-;hoc� of birt?: niaz2.?ng is Lhe �' > LOGAfV & STYRBiCKf CUURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BLDG. SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291-1095 — — � 1 cons�.s�pr.� em�l��rmen-t c�� .��'eczive co.�tra- � 2 ' ce�ti�n. 'rIov:evQr, in the even�t o� ar uns,anteu 3 pregnancy ab�r�?on as � aackup proczdur� Tust � b� availabie a�1 acczssib?� -�o all svame�." 5 � sha11 l�ava this pc�licy sta�ement in b its �ntirety hare for thn ir_�ormation of tnis � 7 council and I believe it has be2r1 dist�'ibuted 8 to you, 9 Not only does th� oroanization of �larined �� Paren�hood FederaLion of America have common . 11 publi� policy but m�dic�l standards for �h� 12 deliv�ry of quality �nedical services ar� 13 develor�ed nationall;� wi�h a�oing monitoring, 14 technical assistance ar.d quaiity evaluation 15 as part of the require:�ents. P3.anned 16 Paren�hood affiliates� and i�?inn�sota is no » exception. do r.ot develop or expar.d t�eir �$ programs to include additior_ai servi^es 19 trrithout undergoing rigorous ar.alysis of 2a �ommu:�ic�tion nee�ls of I.ong-range goals, 21 both iocally an� r�a tionally, and hatre thair 22 ca�abi�ity t� pr�vide a�ait�ane� service tha-t 2� l:'�t�.�:�:J �...g�L i:l`a�1�1�.Q1 J Vdy:'utUr� '�`7 ' iJ� }�C. ♦ .� 'J :J�., l� � 24 na�ior.al r�-�edi�a? c�,mrai L�au o� �lann::� !-arpr.t- 25 hood Federation oi r'�merica . � � - LOGAlV & STYRBiCKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FlRST NATIONAL BANK BLDG. SAINT PAUL, MINNE$07A 5510; 291-1095 � �..� � � `�a docu~��nt for y�u the rigor�us nat�ona 2 me�ical stanr.�ards tnat �nust b� rne-� in a�r��i�;ior 3 t� ar�plica�?e st�te and �ocal Iicensir_� 4 re�uiremen�s prior to ini�iat_on of aoortion 5 services, I na;re tivith me and will leav� for • b your perusal �he s}andar�s deve?oped by the � national co;n��n;.t�ee. I believe these are all 8 also in your hands. :�ie also have standards 9 covering all aspects of the delivery an3 10 medica� care by our affiliat�s t,vhich �ve can > > make available �'or you if you cvisn. These 12 stan�7ards cover not only the medical asvects 13 of the equipment� t�chnique, but also cover e � 14 -the requirements for the facili-ties, the 15 r.ecessity for �merg2ncy ba�kup hos�ital 16 availability� personnel supervis.ion, pa�tient » counseiling, ir,cluding education and ?nformati n 18 abou� all optior_s ior pregnancy and a provisio �g for c�ntracep�tio� to tnose a��epti:� �his , 20 including closs pa-tien� s�Nertirision and folloiv 21 up. If you nave any qu�s�ions about the 2� c� }' r'� »�7 T t�• t Z sA? n:�r-� �- ,, • .i. L� ., , ul. cai S .iO..�11C'i Y�Y v+...�..a�8 c'�±i +J�UU?� �i.l"!�. L j �� I a�cS:lc''�' �r;�:7, 24 � � �ecause �i L:zese h�.g� s�an�ar�s t�i� 25 inccrp�rat�.�n c� exLer.si�e counse'�in� ar_d �. LOGAN & STYRBtCKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 8�6 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BIDG I SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291-1095 21 � t'r!E', t;c'�. 1��Qi i1�i.jT Ji ��V1t�12'Ib Otl•�O1T1� T'P;�l"OGiUC�� V8 !. - 2 � heal th care for wo:nen, �lann?� rarenLnoad is 3 �.r� a u:�iq�.ze posi�rion oi p2ir� a�le �o pro�ri3e 4 a particuZarly sa#'e ans� com�rshensive type of 5 � s�r��ice ��r ��;�men see:�ir�g abor�i�n as a 6 resolution for their u.nvranted przgnar_cy. � � �nd s�a�istzcs, nnt onl.y from various large $ �roorams around the counLry but also that 9 da-�a gathered and analyzed nationally. » docur�en-t -the medical saiety of early abortion. > > �a�a from the abortion surveillance �rooram 12 zor the center. for disease controi of ths 13 �ederal government documents that deaths 14 occur�ing from abortion perforMed durir� the � � . 15 firs � three Mont�s of �rzgnancy are l. 6 per 16 1�0 ,000 women obtaining �hZS procedure, » t�;h�reas deatns fron pregnancy complica-�ior.s . �$ for =,vomen o� similar age are approaimately �9 four �imes higher, or 6. 6 ner 100 ,000 i,vomen. 20 lhzs is c�acu:�en ved in this dc�um�nt, "P.bor�ion 21 Sur��illanc�, 197�F," the Cen�er �'or �irth 22 Con:.rol, lc�a tcd ir. ��lar�a , G�a��;� a:�� I � � � ' 23 "il.� :e h�y_�y t� leav� ';�:is ��u�::�rl� y:�r yout 24 r� �,�sal. �� 25 `�`11.8Y'£ .fl3S r'�. 1.50 ��?�; a 7!?3�'a{2(� Gc?C2"2�SC-' I.T1 �. LOGAN S� STYRSICiCi COURT REPORTWG AGENCY W 8�6 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BIDG. SAINT PAUI, /+11NNESOiA 55101 291•J 095 � • 22 � 1 m�t�r��l ��atrzs sin.c� t'r.e a�•aylav;li�f �-� 2 me�ically saie and ±��a� a�arti�n. Deat`�s 3 frorn ;nfQc-t�d a��rtion and her.�rrhage usz3 4 �a cor�pris� a Iar�e portion o� the r�aternai 5 deaths in years gone '�y ard i�t .�ras when T 6 �,��as serving as a residen� a� tha L•os t�n,gsles • � General Hospital. thai I first b�ca�e aT:vare 8 0#' this great tragedy o.i �vhich ;voMen suff�red. � 9 i�Ty first service cvas an ass�.��ent to �� ttaro abortion ��rards , �ach. containing 60 patien s 11 a pie�e� and ti��z alzrays nad in poar private �Z rooms in ea�h ?�ard women who �vere dying �'ram 13 conplicatians of a septic abortion. It was 14 at that time tha-t I realized that there ;��as 15 some�ning wrong about �nis system that forced 16 v�omen to go th�ough suc� procedures that » resulted in the loss of their lives. t8 �'�rtuna�e3y� times have char.�ed since .-then. 19 It is no longe� necessary for tvomen to di� 20 fram thess comp�ica�ior.s in this c�untry. 21 :For exa:�Ple , in 1953 the r�at�rnaZ dea+h 22 ra t� #'or the Uni�ed S ta�es �:vas 3'� per �00 ,�00 23 ( �i c�`i13f;�i�S .-''�:^_K: �:"ti.S �';�35 ?":;,�L:CL.-'Cj C,�yr `�'"@ �:r133'I � .. 24 � 'r�a�r ay 19'?3 -t;� a :��1�1 0� i� . � pe� I00 ,OJO 25 r,r��::ancie�; . �s a ma ��er of fa�� o ��ei:.,� �� LOGAN 8 STYR81CK1 GOURT REP�RTIN^v AGENCY W 855 FIRST NATiONAL BANK BLDG. SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291-1095 � i i � � �i?1S C�.�52Y' LO ;?O?TIL't lIl �1?@ :�a�@ Di i:l?:12'T?SO i � 2 ;-�r.i?z vher� v,Lre in �h� �ast six yaars ;,?.�o 3 d�a �hs du� to �+bortion, �o th rela �e� �o 4 i?1.�ga� a�ortion, or.e in each year in 1.970 5. ar.d 1971. "'here have been no abortion b re�ated deatns in -�ne st�te since �he 1973 • � L`. �. Sup�em� Court decision. ^he cor��licatio 8 rate far sarly ahortion is also ver;,� lo;v and 9 documen-ts �nat legal abortion re:na3ns a saf� �� procedure. �'e��er than Z per cer.t of �he 11 patients sustaining major complications such 12 as hemorrhage ar infacti�n, and almost never 13 to sudden severe c�mglications arise at �he �' 14 time of �he pr�ced,ure that might neeessita te . 15 in.-�ediate e�erg�ncy hospi�alization. 16 �'�n;� is P1anr,�d Parenthood co�nnitted to » inc3uding abortian as a part o#' coMprehensi��e �$ reproductive health care for r�omen? �ecause �9 :�re knoc�r tna t the need far safe abortion 20 servic�s i.s inzxtricably lirited �o provision 2� af c�ntrac�p�ive s�rvices ;�hic� -ties into ar� 22 o-;�ra�� p��tterr_ ��' improv2d 'r��j th care far 23 �:.•;,�:en. 24 an � p�°c�--rsm ;,r��vre �::^.�re :s ��z � 25 �o�an.�e�lir.� and e�!tcation reven-t data studying �. tOCAW & STYRBICKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BLDG. SAINi PAUt, MINNESOtA 551a1 291•1095 � � ! �Y � �h� ��r�.�ac� af' �`i:e ��or��.on e._nerier�ce o:n � - 2 con�;rac�ptiv� �ccep�an�e sh�r��d �ha4 ov�„ 3 75 �zr cer_t oi ;�;�rnnn ,arho oY�tained a'�ortions 4 ;vho tiv�re under �ne age of 20 wi�r no pravious 5 pregnancies �vere not, and I repea�� vrare not 6 usir�g contracep�i.on prior to }heir a�ortion. • � H��av�r, af+er the abortion �r cent u e 95 P� s d 8 effec�ive means af contraception. This is 9 certainly directly related to the abortian » expsrience and �ne su�erb counselling that 11 . w2nt with it. 12 The reasans for nat using cantracentives 13 were �ound t� he lack o�' in�orma�tion, 47 p�r 14 cer.t; der.ial of the possibility of pregnancy, 15 2�t per cent; and apathy or iear �f sid� 16 e�fects of con�raception. �hese are pr�bl�r�s » thaL can be resolved by a �edicated agQncy 18 such as Plan.�ed Parenthood of ��tinnesota, And 19 some hav� a tendency to say this is no� our 20 proble^�. I c doesn' t happen in o�zr cor,�.�r�a.�t�ty. 21 snis is sameone else' s �roble:,1. Yet� na�ional 22 s i�4isti cs s.�o,°r t�iat �he ��;rp;cal �ro�ils of 23 t�;c;.}�_� co�::�n� For a'�o?�ii��: ;:ervi^ ' � 1i o ..�.� :t_� ��?�t 24 wz?�y ��e m�in1;/ you�g� 4�r�i L�� u��a�°�izd . hatre 25 ne��r '�e�n Uregnani �ef�re, :�a�;? nasrzr usa� r - �, � LOGAN & STYit81CKi COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BIDG. SAINT PAUL, Ni!NNESOTA 55101 291•1095 � � � I C:;l`�ti£3�^.i�t1:�21 d:lu �i 2 �'�?^i�' 121 �I?E'.'�' �)'_'c?�C:d21CSy � I � i � 2 n�r_e?y� under 12 ,M�e�ks . Th�s is �.,hy cre a;, 3 :lar�ned Par�r+haa� are co.��nitt�d to �ro;�idino 4 a co:�preY:ensiv� heal�h service �haz hel�s � wor��n a chieve their reproc3ucti�re goals. 6 Planned Parenthood is comr.v.t�ed to free • � ir.dividual choice for all individuals ?n 8 regard to reproduction regulation. .�e do not 9 op�ose those �,;ho have con�rary vievrs, believin �a .iull well that th�y have the right t� cnoose > > for th�mselves. but �ve are unalterably oaposed 12 to their supsriMposing �heir vie�vs on others 13 ��r��h th� expressed objective o� obstructing � i4 : their guaranteed constitutional right of free � 15 chaice, particularly ,�r�en that ir�terference 16 can �resul� in limi�ing access +a g¢o�l health 17 ca�e. 18 Abortion services must be in��aded into �9 heal�h care ��r ;aTOm�n as nart �f an inte�r�ted 20 service. Unl�ss this occurs and in��ui�ies 21 in �h� avail�-�i:.i�� and a�cessability o� 22 a o�r�-ion a�� re_<<ed�ed , r�or:�n v�ill �on Lzr�u� 23 �O ��:.try �J:."T'i1..3c�0�8 ��I*.�.Ci�� L:.@:3 ??� ;�na'.�:ir�� 24 , s��L ��.�;ai a't,or�i�:�. '�''r.v -_��an��.a�. cvn_ 25 s�quer.ces �.� suc;� a l�c'i of accessabili�y �r �c� LOGAN � STYRBICKI COURT REPOR7ING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BLDG. SAINT PAUI, MINNESOTA 55101 291-1695 2. � lac:_ of �vai�abi?� �y ��cl�;�aa i�yega� �-r �-�if- � 2 in�uced abow tio�s , un:Afar.;;�d o� mis�i�ed 3 birtr.s , o�at c� -riedlock bir�hs* s�h�ol d��pou±s 4 and precipi-tou5 marriaaes ��rhich we kr.otv are 5 o�ten `:011�-��ied by divorc�e, as �,vnyl as other 6 heal-�h and social oroblem� . � � Flanned Parenthood of P�innes�ta is 8 dedicated to ivork to:vards tne reduction of 9 these problems through �he provision af �� ex?�anded quali�y neal�h sarvices for vromen 11 by assistin� theM to achieve their re�roductiv 12 g�als . 13 I �hank you. 14 PRL5ID�NT ii�Z2A: Eith�r Dr. iyer or � . i5 i=1r. .�leb�r, will the people that testi�y be �� available for questians af-t�r presentation? » Because I hav� some questions, �ut perha�s 18 you arrant �o �inish your presentation first? 19 T��IR. '�tE�,:R s Yes� sve can re a raila�i e 20 � for a short period of t?me. �r. Tyer is 21 sc:�!��iule�i for a meeting ir. Das I,Ioines at 22 2 :0� �` clac.� s� our tQS�iMo�y Lrr� I? �� si�or-t i 23 .ix'o:`� �r.is p:si�t C=:. ,I , 2� { ±� .��-••;n �,:�{ n " �}i�y� �ii t . i1 �aj� � _ i�.��_ �.i�;_ .JLC,r�: � 25 c�u�� en c�r�clua� th� t�sti�:ony ��re ��i�I. asi , � LOGAN & S7YRBICKi COURT REPCRTING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NATtONA: BANK BLDG SAINT PAUL, MiNNESOTA 55101 291•1095 �? 1 quas tians. `�`�ke t��e �i�:� ;�ou n�ed to co:�ple�c � 2 y�ur �estir:ony an� if yau coula have you�° 3 s��a�ers avai�.able for ques�ions ,>re jvoule� 4 a��reciate i t. � 5 A'�.'TOPs�;�Y S�Gt�L: rrir. Presider_t, I wonder b if �ne council svould like �� as:: Dr, L'y2Z' if • � they have Lhn resul-ts of the s�udy fiha t she 8 referred to on �he number of abortions that 9 had complications on v�� first trim2ster 10 and if that cauld be r�ade available to �� 11 counsel. She mentioned nercentag2s ar3 �Z stuuies and the council might like -- �3 DR. I,OUISE TYER e Thaz' s in this volu;ne � 14 ti�fhi ch I'M leaving tivi th you from ti�e C�nter � 15 for Disease Cor.trol. �6 PR�SIDE;�TL HOZZA s Doctor, could you leat,re �� ha� �vit:n our City Clerk� p?ease, R�se �:Tix? 18 DR. LOUISE TYER: Y�s. In fact, the 19 yello�r� s�eet is in tnat section an comb3ica- 20 tions. 21 A^.i ORNyY SEG�,: i he counci 1 may Waar.t �o 22 c�r_s�der askir_g �f ��ere t�ve.�e a7�y s�tudies as 23 t� ``r:e Lis�:an�� poss��?� �: o:�.Lr :�a�or � �''� ?I1°C'.�.'_•�:3� �`',�: �. � ' .� 7 - ..� _ vl�J If0 JJ�i''1'1:� y�!US�UG�.��_�' . 25 �ocation �'or ar abnr�.;.ar_ fac?li��y. I r_o�ice � LOGAN 8� STYRSICKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY W B56 FiRST NAT;ONAL BANK BIDG. SAINT PAUL, �ti11�iNE50TA 5510} 291�1095 _ 28 � � tiiat �n �er �e�art thn standard:� which r�ve 4 , 2 �een prov��ed �� cn� council �hat t�i�y 3 r��o�nize �he n�e;3 �'or i:a�ring avail.��le 4 ?^�ospi t�l facil�ti�s . Council may tivish to 5 inquirp ar. that. 6 PRESIDL��T HOZZ�: ;+tell, i4ir. Segal, I • � �n�.n� you raised a uestion tha ' s 4 t on the $ c�uncil's mind. ;F?e can or�ly hope �nat •,��e 9 could ask to have them coMplete their �� testimor�y as they �rould see fit and then, i1 Dr. Tyer� if you could stay for a couple 12 of more minutes - 13 D�. LaUiSL �'YER: Yes . � 14 PRESIDE�;T H�?ZZA: 4dha-� L1I�° does your � 15 plane leave? �6 D�. �,OUIS� T`IE� : 6�Te11� I have to -cake �� a private plane ta get �rom h�rz to Des P�ioine �$ and I must be there by 2;p0 o' c3ock. 19 PRESI�EP;T HOZZA: ��nat time are ;�ou 20 scnedul�d to �eave? 21 DR. I�CUISE T'f.�R: 12:04 0' cl.o ck. 22 rRESIDE^�� i OZZ�: ��, �i7e , fin� . 23 C�ii�•;�TT,.,�U, ;y�,�,n ri.`..,,, . _ �y . � . i�i�.c�l -�Yt�.+J�'J � ... • f��.. . l ��;a ' , 24 � -; , �i,±.S1D.�:?�_ r.v�;?�s i�r. �1'E''��3C�? . 25 coUl�:cs�r:Tar�r i��sc� � � �� :�a to a�:_ of '� LOGAN & STYRBtCKI COURT REFORTING AGENCY bV B56 FiRST NATIONAI BANK BLDG. SAINT PAUi, MINNESOTA 55101 291-1095 2 � ' TTi. :�i<ic�',�i: —°- �}rOl? L�Cl1� � r1��2 �'t,0 �1V° T'.l� yt,}7!S � I 2 ir_f'ormatior� t��ay b�� '�i i_?�e it i3 you' d 3 r�ail i�t �o me -- �f the o�her 19 locatio:�� 4 �hat you had in m'�r_d and 4vhy �hey �vere � �l?mina-�ed' 6 . rtZESIDyNT i-i02ZA: T=Ir. T�desco , if I may, � 7 le�c' s ma��e a ds�ermina�ion as �o y��heth�r v�e 8 v�ant Plann�d Parentnood to �inish �nd �hen 9 ask quzstions or ask questions now. 10 COUNCII:SjJOi��AlV' HtJNT: i�tr. Chairnan. �hat 11 brought up my poin�. I think that ;=�e could 12 all�w questions to be dzr�ct�d to Dr. Tyer 13 a� this poin� b�cause I thin:�s the -tir!� is � 14 gozng ou� and I don•t -�hink it's fair t� go � � 15 t� �he en� of the testi�o�:y o� Planr_ed 16 Parenthaod so I ' d recommend that the council » proceed �vi�h any questions Lhey might nave at �$ Lhis time. 19 (Inaudib.lA. j 20 PRES?�J�i�,7T �a2ZA: T:Tx'. TedeSCO? 21 COUNCSiL.Ir�:i �i��SCO : ��ie?l, I c�n agr�s 22 G�ai t'r� that �u t � do th?nk �,ha t i�;Tr. :��,eba_r and 23 :';��-�r�� ur2n�i�� c��gi�� s.�re an o��or- { _,.,- 24 i ;�un�. ,_4 t� ��s�� ,`:�=-'-" y��1 R �re;�?r�1a ��:: 25 IlE?:° �2�OY`� 1� 5±3.'". -ts �e� tin� ��nen SO Cx`2�1�,`��BC� �. __ 4 -�� LOG�N 8 STYR81Ci(I � � I COURT REPOR7ING AGENCY iW 856 FiRST NATIONAL BANK BIDG. � SAINi PAUL, MlNNESOTA 55101 291-1095 - 3 r 1 i,tU �I?u �; `�C:2jT iOti° �;�� CJI?�ii?Ll1 L;,r Oi �:�c?. i r � `2 � 9 i i t��'� "t'",�11 S i:0 X'i 121c.,.,`"r . 3 P'E�IDy��"' HOZZti: i��a�T I sugges-:9 -`;?:� 4 point I'� trying to make, i,1r. �rde�t�'� -r�oUld 5 you �ecide ho;�r you ;a�ou?d iike �o proceed? • b If Dr. 2;rer Yvants to answer questiors no;�r� 7 that' s #'ine. If you ;�,an. �o finisn your 8 presen�a��on there' s no probi.e�. 9 m�-IOiYiAS ;•JE�rR: I think if the council 14 wouid a11oVv us to pr�cesd , we have t�,vo more 11 �r�itness�s �o speak to �ne particu?ar resoluti _ 12 f�r tne council and then we snould still have 13 p�.enty of ti:�e to answ�r questions an3 �hen . �� 14 we Yvil1 ta:�e Dr. �yer .�irs�. �5 P�SIt�7�1Ii HL'2ZA: Oiia }' y, .,nank you. 16 THQi:1aS :�J£Bi.?: The t:Aro spea.�ers ��rho wi31 17 address the council �Yiil address th� counc�3 18 froM tre star_dpoin� of Planned Parentnood of 19 �Tlinn�sota as a� �ge�cy ar.d from�h� s�tand�oint 20 of tne medica� asp2cts �he first tr�,_�ester 21 p��gnancy tzr:�?.21��1.0!^�. Caur.cil does �av� an �s2 1�V'i�l +�� U�:Li^.?:�S i.l_'1�.�2'_" CCi'15;.�`�,��r7. ��1G+?1} a � , � 23 � p�:� �i.�U��r reL�Ita�ir�n. . '�j� � � � ?�.�s:7z�:� J'�Y�� ,�+��1ti. �_.'t:i� t�i� i i�..�ii�ilL � T.� � �:�� . 25 II COt1T?�� c'}5 :.8��? Cb;.li;S'?.'�� i0Y' ��3P?1�''u �"�Z'8T1�P00 ( � �' — ' tOGAN 8� 57YRBiCK1 COURT REPQRTlNG AGENCY �,'V 856 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BLDG. ! SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 I 291•1095 3� i 1 a� :?znr��ta � a �ar�tntr �n tn� la;v i�r� o�' � 2 I'::3�^.tic`i:L1 t vr'�.�..7"�8 8i`1L� iI'JOi @ s :7OL17 C� �i1c �O 3 a�dress zn� c�unc�l an �he Iati�r relatin� to 4 the regul,a tion of abortion heal�,h cara. 5 rP..'1flZ JEjlt�.: �adies ar;�l ;entle:r.�:�� :�y 6 na�nz is Franz Jevne. I am legal �ounsel for s , �lanr_�d Par�nthood of P.Iinnesota , and i think $ I should make cl¢ar tha� I 'm nat paid le�al 9 c�unsel. This is a •✓oluntar;� service that i 10 perfor;� for Planned Parenthcod. T,iy address is > > 1U04 Firs-� T�ati�r.al Bank 3uilding in tqir.neapol' s, �2 P�iinnesota . 13 I'm going to direct my remarlts then �4 s tric Llv to -�hat area tha-� I believa is � �5 controllir_g ��ith respec� to the proposed 16 resolution -t'r.at you all have b�en co:�side�ing. �� Righ-t no�A: Plann�d Pareni.hood. is involved in 18 a philosophical dispute `�ith �eople in the � 1g Highlard Park �om�unity and perhaps else;vhere 20 in St. Pau1. I� is not ye� a le�al dispute. 21 I'M sure tha} �,�� are all aw3re tliafi +nis is 22 a verJr e-��ional ar�a . I have had a:; oppor_ 23 L�n�. �y i.v npa: �l��e J�e;�r� ��: 3 � '_��s� s�-�e �� 2`� you �.:uri:g a�ra;�;�ez L11ts of a �nz�i,ilj; ;vi c^ 2$ p?3:�riF�3 _�2rentn��d' s e��cutive co:<<-�i�-tn�, � LOGAN 8 �TYRBICKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY bV 856 F�R57 NATIONAL BANK BLDG. SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55701 I 291-1D9� �� J � � � �111C.t V1 �t��:7� V:i� i��J}1.1.viZJ �}1TQ4 't:a`l� . � 2 7��71 Z'a1.S2C� 1r'i >>OI"1222C�10Y! �:l-��`7 ��I2 Sa��$C� 3 over �he years and are beir.g raised no��T ar� 4 sArious quesLions of r�oral and pniiasaphical 5 belie�s , y�dhen does life co��en�a in t:�e • 6� fetus? :^lhen does a pr�gnant Svomen have a 7 ri�ht to cn�ose t� t�rmina�e a �regnanc;;�`? 8 Can a �vife have an abortion without her 9 husban�i' s consent� or 4vithout �he fa�ther' s 10 cons�nt? The child, can a teenager �ave an 11 abor-�ion tivithout parental consent? 12 � �hese are nighly charged phi?osophical 13 ques+ions and they are �he kinds o�' questions �� 14 �hat pe�ple generally ar� not straddling 15 fences on. Tney have one -- adopv�d one 16 v�ry �olarizsd position ovsr the other. �nd » � ��.oul� suggest tha� dialogue is pro�ably not 18 goino to cnanoe people' s minds tivith respect �9 to ��'rlose philosopnical questions ar.d I z�roald 20 suogest that, really, tnz cou_ncil is no-� in a 21 pos:ition �o �� 'r�le to r�solvz those 22 iTJ'!1.'��?4SO�Ili•.^.3� �t�i�i,10?1S, 23 ,'i�e yx�o-�i_ �� :��a��! � _�� ch� �u:�,_�nve ::av� 24 �h�''�� e:ii��s ai�c: �h�� c�:��.m?t �ed L� �:z�e 25 r��ams ��' �;:re s�rv�eas a#' Fla�ned ^are:�tl�.00d � LOGAN & STYR81CK1 COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 855 FIR57 NATIONA: BANK BLQG. SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 _ I 291-1095 � r1� ✓° ��22i"L' �l?a�'S . :'�@ ais. i;p0�7 �t�3� BSt:'tl k 2 sidn :��as �ne r�o�.t �o e�::r�5s �:�ose vi2;.s 3 �uLli::,J ard �n a very af'�i.�r:.a�i��e �anner. � 4 � Bu� vrhat I �,•.�q�-� to discuss ;;ith you �s n�t 5 p::ilosophica� b�1ie;:s but r;hat �he �aj�� says 6 t�ri Lh respac� to these questioi:s � b�cause the . � 3acv has spo�en �•��h respect to ali o�' the 8 issu�s tna� are being argued r_o�t� in connection 9 � ��ith thi� Tacil.ity ard has spoken v�i+h respect 10 �o �he various qu�sLions that I have just > > discussed and mar.y othzr questions in the 12 a�ortion area. The courts have reso3.ved a�l 13 of th2 issues �hat I mentior_ed previously. � 14 Tne courts have held �nat in �h� f�rs4 � 15 trinlester of pregnancy a �h►oman does have an 16 ansolute �ight �o terminat� her pre�nancy. 17 '_"he courts hajre answered the ques�i�r. of �rrhen �g Iife comm�nces in the fetus , a� 1za st �'or 19 legal purpases, and I want you to un�erst�nd 20 !'m. only }alkino abou� �rz lav�, I'� not 21 �a��i:rg a;�o2.�t tne pnilo�.�pi�cy beh;r.ci ��. �ut 22 ��r l�ga1 z�ur�oses �n.2 Supre,�.� Court nas said 23 -- � nf ,.�i? .. .i1�';? v'�ri�`:_°.:::°.r-, r3:: ��= 2;r �;G 2v ..2E'3::S .2� .1"�,'`".�Z��.�"ii.�j . �.._�i�.� .�..�tar 't+J 1S'.��i'Y .. P2�u .�.�:Z'? L u ;'�1Q�lu� . 25 :.i�f: i;:c�:�8 c�. C�..@C'..'i�l�.^.� a::� ``t,•J ti31c'i.`S:GZ' �Q ��i':p121��8 , �: LOGAN � SiYR�lCKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FiRST NAT!pNAL BANK BLDG. I SAINT PAUL, N1INNESOTA 55101 291�1095 �� , � 172'_" i?i8�:'�a�"1L:;j iii'��!'3U`�' �2?r' i.US?Ja11:,if ::> C�:1�?`��" :i� � 2 �r �'r.� cnrLsent c� �he �at�er oi the chilu i� 3 1.12�.' L/OiilC`lil 1J 27l} i. I'i1C'T,s.Y'1°�. �i.�`l8 C`.OUZ'tJ C1dV0 f 4 h�=.ld tha�+� a ::la �ure ::�iro� ca� ��a'�a -�he abor�;o. $ dacision :�.�itnou;, par�nzal consar�t. 6 �here ars �-�any, r�iany cases in ail tneJe • 7 areas , and ��hether or not you a�ree in all of 8 �hese cases , I•:n sure there are so?�e �vho do 9 not� �tne,y are, nevertheless, thg la,��. In a �� civilized soci�-�y v�e live by la;v. :Je > > discovered over �he yzars th.a+ wn�n ane .vants 12 L� put hims�lf abov� the Ia�v cnaos r�sults. 13 It is r�ot prop�r �or one to sir��Iy re j ect � 14 �r.e lav� because he r�ay disagree Yvith the .. • 15 M�ral �r pnilcsop:�ical prece�Ls behind it. 16 One cannot d� �hat and s�ill be a good �� ci��iz�n. �8 I woul�l li�� no;v t� discuss hov� tha� 19 rzla-�es �c� our present situation. �Je do I18V° 20 peopl� Iiving i� St. Pau?, obliouslr S ► �vi�ch 21 p�Iari�ed ph.��osoj�hica? vie��s ar_ ��se 22 ��estions . :°;i�n �h� advent o� ilanne� 23 �c.�?"�'r�:i'.JJC, J C!_..:1?C .I.i': =-li r•-hyQ�;G ��r ' }:..��,° . —`3' :.- '�i. � . � 24 ` :;�L?�:i:: �.'J J"? Tii1`i c3 .^.QI�t^i.`.�. L� ±`.',^�Cut; _�0,.'� s..?c:::'c�. I 25 c�is'�,L�.�r,ces o�' o�;�z1on �r_� �:�� e:��i�r_� I 'r:_ ,� — . � LOGA1+! � STYRSICK! COURT REPORTING AGENCY ! W 855 �IR�T NAT!ONAL BANK BLDG I SAINT PAUL, MlNNESOTA 55101 291•1 C95 .)J 1 r�> rt:�riir; 'rt__;n. ;. .^-,L1i^i�' cj_ c� ,. i ',- � s c 2 n " - :Si=� y`�Li %'�;�t:�; 1�::J= 1_:? GeSi, ..��:'.�.j"�c�.� •.'r�Cls� 3 � __. � ; .�;��•:��'�� r► !- 7�- , .ti ��_ , . _ :c , ..:�;�-:, _-- �ro� are 4 ��:':?�1:.�T' ',1%�.3::1 T.1�JS° . ��.. :s'�ccf:i:� �i,:7 iit? u�C'i� , 5 cru�: af ;;ne �is�ute inou�.� �s no� -`'ro::2 an;� b ~u�✓i�i�r;r uues�1�Y?� tna� hav� ��en rai�e� , . 7 i utl� �'n�-� ^rL.iX Of' ±(2? �1S�:1�° , :=s�td �� 7�.? 8 boils dor;Tr: to �he casic issue: Abortion �� 9 no a�ortion. ^r.a� seeMS �o b� �ne o��e�Lion 10 �na L ±hose p�o�1e �ha� are 4gains+ tne 11 P'anned Faren�hoo� Clini� have rai�ed. 12 Certain citizens of St, i a�al, includ�n; 13 various pu�lic ele�ted o��icia�s , ha�� 1� dac�ded tha� Ln�y don't �;•ra,:t aborti�n • 15 #'acili�ies in S�. }a�al, -�ha� -r��ey ihink it 16 inaNpnopriat2. i .;�ant to ma?ce it clear �Lhat » I'� not quarre??ing raith �zhat ;:ioral and �$ p�zil�sophical position. I have L:-�� utmost 19 res��c+ for those r2�ple -�rh� hold �h�t 20 opin��n. I t` s �:ze�r r��ht �c ho'd tha� 21 �y�ni�n a�d tha?r rign.� �c� �.��yce it a_r,d �� 22 �c� o� i� �o lor.� as L��ir ac-�ioa:s �ra� in 23 ;�., ii , , f ; �. . ._.J.� ��t: .'..<: .'� � �.�1�: 1..�11. . L_•`.:J:�. �� `.�`�ty.^ . �� II ::Y'�� .�� . �� t'',�.^.� Lc'�i �_:"iu��i...i�?::c.L� . :� �„ ;:�:y' i I ' 2'rJ ' 1 ...�.s_ i'tui:� �.i .,..�..'!. :i�r„i c�._,'.:i� '� . � i:1 .i'.t�+a � I � 1 � LOGAi�I e� STY€t�iCKl � � COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FIRS? NATIONAL 6ANK 6�DG. � SAIN? PAUi, MINNESOTA 5510� i� 291 1095 � J 1 '" , � i - - � . �.- �_.. -�,�-�; ;�. �,�- -; ;.� i.al�,�,-�� ::��i�C , L._.J L� .� ':�. � ...+:. : _�l�i.: . f � 1 � 1 � `L ::�_J'. �..�-�.r:'.1 3il �J_ J�OLi _�i?.��. ,.li� ., .._t�i�.`•.�-�• _�..:Zn 3 �4-^,r,� -_� r } �._ .,,, y_ r �1 ^ , , :. ':; y;� -, _ �,, �J iJ lA� l_ l._ ��. V .L .J'1�. .�.1:�1 4 �ri�� 2^COI:1��::^iy.'._:i` i�F.'CiS10I1 +�.i ��f'-,' '�. ��O.�i�021� $ :�:1�,0 �:lOj2 �@Cij10:1S .lara I13:1C�'�G� uJ'.':'2"�. 1.:1 6 �antaarY of 1:�; no govern:^en'�al bou;;J ��_� • 7 bar a eo�ti�°�s so �ong as they a�e �zr�'or:�ed 8 in acco,dar_c� ;,�i Ln tn� �`�r:�s o� t��vs=� 9 �ecis:ior�s . 10 So� ti•r��.a� is Lhe respo�se th?n 'r��re in 11 St. Paul? �'n� resg�nse nas been I thir_': 12 �a -- and this i;� �he am.eri��n �^�a;�, rza'1;� __ 13 to -- m�r� thar. o.�e :a�ay to s:�in a ca�; -t;ype � 14 0� �n�Ios�phy -- �to concoc� a ;cner:�e �r • 15 pro�ra,i -- '�SC'flA:::g'� Y �L2�SS 1S an ina_��01/T'13.� 1G �t�or� - but anoth2r �:et'r.od :•�he�eby �a pr�vzr.t 17 or d;sc�ura�e ar� aborticn clizic ir. ��. aau?. 18 Ar�� pernaps a crea�ive l�,�rysr or a crea�iv� 19 p�rson in ��:�e o�h�r area seizes uptin t.�is 20 ��OyDOS�.�. Ili�l"3�Oi1.U?,^. �S ? �c'JiC2 �,�7;12:@;;;j 21 abci tior� cou'd bs stop�ed in �_�e ?�i;n�ar.d 22 �ark �ae�.li��y. So h�r� ,=�e are rx��,�� nati:in� 23 :,:.�.�� ":;r� „�.� -,� ,;;^ � - ��,-� `1 � I i y.i � y �;� _� .. V r . `� � .L` . �, .L l � . ��-��3�21 :.I�i� .�:::Z .�.��.:.::t� i.1:3�1�� .i7 � itc^'.VC�. �ir:Z:'_ ZS f � ' � �F'Q :�� Y` �� I � �at^ �'',,� ' ;�.t,,. _�. � � �_. , a_ .,.. �_� c;�V .._ ,.�.� .;r:i:.e:: .. ..��es ! � LaGAN & STYRBICKi ( I COURT REFORTINv AG�NCY I I N+ 8�6 FIRST NATiONAL BANK BLDG. � SAINT PAU�, h1INNESOTA 55101 � 291-1095 / � � � . 1Y;i^�. U?:�.. t,�_� .�L' Gi� :.11.i1. � S. Y ^ r7 �..- 1 .i 2 1 i'JCJ'JJ...i vLt=�c��..0 l, l:^J ��J�,: L:�cu {, ±i:? 3 �a,; __ :c?�;'.�..� _�`rr 1'. ..._- c3Y''��3 �:� c'',;:: �'C'.�?.�.. _ . 4 i �''_�s _, CI :.t'_� , �r,�. i�rU:"):.i �'�v' i:i1�i� i��I?:'?Pd S � ��rzntiZOOd has purc.zased �s zor:pd �� i�?�:�it �-:.. -•,-�r }{- ; � � n+� �l-. � � �ar 6 a �e u�..., .►a � P�anr.ed ar��. ,,.:�od i�ri�� ur..�� - • 7 La�>e ��n�re. i�' s zaned F�-3 , oe�.era? business g ais�ric�t. Tn, �an�.r.g -- ;' d say �;�� zonir,g 9 �o�s conL��dici, ��e �`'r�quent assertions �na�, 10 3 ?^�av� �tea'rd ^��ade , that �this is s�ric�Iy a 11 residential arza and �ras are ir_ter�erir_o �,vith 12 snm� sort of resid�ntial neighborhoo� . 13 Accord;r�g to the :sonir�g s�atut�s it �s a � 14 gs�:e�a1 business distr�c L, Section 50 .�i4? . � 15 oi ;ne St. �'aul Lebisl� �ive c�de per��.ts 1G ��isiness of-�'ices � �:edi�al o��'ices ar:d c?i.nics 17 to �;e Iocated �r� such a 2ore . �e;,�ionc� .5�2 18 p2rm?ts other n�r�-�esicien Lial ty�e usss , 19 ir.rl�ading transi� bus s Lations, auto:�o�ile 20 �ea?ers , rI2f1Lif8C�Lti2iS O� oCat7S. �O f;ti2iS 1:, 21 w��f I sa;� I su��es� �,c ;rou L:a� +his _s 22 r��';r r.ot ;��crictlyr � res�.uen�?al ar�r.� , . `13 I .. �.:.z -r ,:l :r:: ... _ �;� ��.�� .t��c . '-''.r- � _, t ... _ . `�i, .t.� .,i J ^1 L L: 2T I� �ry _ � � + � �. •� �... � I :, _O�c3 :E' l:: lr � C�'��,��="" �s. %3' S 7� .i Li l_� ;�J�] a� .r'•�"_ _' • i �'1�'v'.,:!� ., .'.C:..r'. t'�. =.):�.J '�v:a C�� i"'t,l''::? �'.�� -'.�� ✓lJ � 1 4 tC3�A.N 8� STY�BI�Ki + I COURT REPOR7ING AGENCY NJ 856 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BLOG. i SAINT PAUL, MiNNE�OTA 55101 I 291-IG45 i __ �� 1 � �ac�; �..:�s �: �� L; . s `a._�� ;�� Y•e��.'i� I ��.jr• r•, _ �- l.'.. � �. n .lv,_"�i:� �'Lli. �i:�^��i�ri��;� n r��- ,� .� i �' ...1 � L i .. „ _ � .. _ . v 1�... c,� .._l+i'> �: :Z _.u� . � � Civ�:i J.L.�.uilCl. ��'I1 l.i ti1 lL. ?G��.�.1 J ..C� {�ln�.�il c�TL� 4 4�1"1 � iJ ( �f�l�; • rJ S�C�f2� Oi 2'� � 3 �`t,!11.°1'': �a 2 �a5V �a ?ln�'- i 6 c�ris�� c'e�r iha� =1�ar.n�� P3Z'�:'!i'ii00� i5 Iesa l�y • 7 ent?��.e� ar�� has t�2 c�ns�i �u�io.n�? righ: to 8 oi�� a'��rtion se�V1C85. ��e i;��it�d States 9 Supreme Couri :nade ihat c�ear in _=to� v. :;�de 10 and Doe v. Bol�on, the abortiion cases ��i�ed 11 in 1973, ar�d thosa cases raere coni�rmed and 12 appro-re� by the ��?innesota Supre�e Cour'� ir_ 13 S�a Le v. Hodgson �vnich ?�ras �ecided abou� ten 14 �ays az�:er tnose iederal -- or United S�ta��s �. • 15 Supr�:�:� Court cases . So � in s�.ort, tza� ?s 16 th� la�,v oi`' �heland. 17 ihe Roz y. :'J��e case i� a l�n�t:?y c�se , 18 6Y nages lon�, and Doe v. �o1�on is a mat�er 19 0� a�ou� 30 pao�s lono� but let me �ee i� 1' 20 v��z sumr:�arizQ �vna� tnose �ase� sa�r.� because 21 .7. "��!=iitL ? !L,' S ?.*�i310ryr3:1� i�'_ J;�U1 COiiS�{12�a u?ci1 22 OI �'!11.5 ;?l�Y'3�0'_"?L1;1 i^:�T�B'_". 1`i�2 C8S°^: S�i:� 23 �}:� � �'��"� .. � ..._.�.al. t11� c3 �a., t ,. �L%i_�;ii•� .r,=��1� 2� 1 j,:.i :;Y'! ��:�! :�?'),Q �_'�;�'. _..� `: �L:�=f'u t:'.,'=.�.;� �:� �,i:? I 2� � 1'�:_:� rC�_.�j_ :5i �_'�4r:t�:2�� i�� 1;P.:� vi,�'_1�i,i �i..�,...C?=. I � LOGAN � STYRBiCiC1 ( COURT REPORTING AGENCY �N 856 fIRST NATlONAL BANK BLDG. I SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291-1095 �� . 1 � �,i�4,_, .;'�7J�'� '1.i . �Sr: �.J J�Jj .��.�. t; c�,:.i a 3.'�.�. . JF L�� . 2 C:''.�?'i.. ��u i.l'.J:?a.i '�"1�i1�'v t.v i i 1�i�^�i .-�.. ..�>::�!; l��:i 3 •u r�.�,Zt ��o d-��u? �o ��,:ir�o�� iZ�r �:^a��.a.�:,y, � ,n �th�r .�,or;�� , � t� ha�re a�z �a u�r��i�.3. �u� � li,}1�?�� a1ti ��`la;: �vl1S I'1�i1L �O ;?c`3Vc a:: abor'�ion 6 is n�� absoic.:te an� i t _,:ay be ?imi��u by }ha • 7 S�a�e ar Ci��T or o-�ne� go��ernino ::,��;, �,nd 8 �na re�son is y± may be iiMit�d is �`ha± the 9 Sta�e has a l�giti:,rat� in�eres� in pr� teciir.g 10 the ,vomen an� i;n�orr, ie�us , u:�borr: c'r._ld . 11 ''�h° cour� :r>�nt on �o e:�plai:� -;�hat the 12 li�:i�a�ions ��rere per�r:�ssible . xr.d le� ,� e -- 13 -'��hey �ivided th� prsgn.�ncy perio� in�� hree � •Y . .a.i 1 p GI S • 1,�� .1�1 U (i Gi L G� �+.^7 �j j� ��.i.J V V i I��S 1.l.L • �5 O".� yJ�r'ebi18T?C;y� �`'i,11n iZr'S�"t, �'_�lI'8° =iTO:'.i;:S � �2 t� 16 1.�- ;;�ee'�u ��' pregr�an�y. si:2 COLIY'�' said tne 17 �i.8fi'Q ZQB� 2"iv� ��ot.113�L� -- ';:'i`12ii 1 ::�•�Jr �f S�B��$'r 1 C7 ��C_i}t,f�� r any o tn�r ��wri��nn La-L L.:i11� �^ �tile 19 Sta�e :�ay no-` re�ula��e ti�e decisicn to t��rnina e 20 pr�Qnancy or even rebula�e th� �roce�ure 21 ?ts��._ . `�'i�i� i� a �:at�e?� �q ie�y ^� �:�;a�� he V G.. 22 ?'JOI':2:: 3�i� �1°i ;Y'c,:�;1L1� ";i�..c�yri �,..� r' �,,.� t� .._c+_ 1 i2� 4�si_ . . . 23 `�. :> .1..1"Y... �..,_. . � _.i/.�'..�i_ � .� _ 1� ... t {v r� VtAv ,� � • _' 't:7 . � � Z 4 � f�' .r� �.: z�'.i^ - .y,. . . . u_il.ti, �•i• - -° .. .__" �� UOr'�_�;i ... ;3.ii' . � � .�� %i�) c:iY .r'. �!LQ i: '��--t.'.�.a.._i�;f '�v�.i`,,� r� 7" .. Ll.c�a .. ��t:C^ . $ 10GAN 8� STYRBiCKI r COURT REPORTIN�� AGENCY W 856 FIRST NAT!ONA! BANK BLDG. � SAINT PAUL, 1v11NNESOTA 551p1 291-1095 4i 1 � t. .i .}i'" .i?J Si.�i r::,_..!._� .i�_��c�,,_ �. i��, w�, '.�',O �i;_ �J � � � � 2 I .ii: �'t"1�`�.. ;. :;�1"�,�Cti,�u'L"' .rl. :. �-a , I _ 3 J�;�?rg L.�e sc�orid �r�::es��r a� �;r��n3._ncy. 4 ��-:e S�a�A :nay �2�u�a�e a:�cr}iori prccLUure� 5 �as�� .co pro':e�� the r�o�h��' s neal-�h. I 6 thi::'i �ney are o�1y r�fe.rring at i,i�ia poir.� • �- 1- m..-i' t .-. � �?-' . •' 1 :��1�.�� n .. 7 ,:� „h� ,_� �n�r U ��a �n. rir�� hP 8 of cours2 �usfi rca�o�ably �elate 1U �i,e 9 n�ih�r' � t�eal-��!. , 10 During iliz tnird zriir�e�;�er th� C�urt 11 says Li1at the governin� body can prolii�it 12 abartion because at that ioir,� tne eaur� 13 hol�,� Lhe fe�us �e�a:ne� ��rh� L the;� re�er to 14 :i.n �heir de�isior as =;�a�?e , a:�d t'r.ey de�?ne � ' -�r ' -P e .i. r 15 1 � ia you rs ii� ;.er�s�ed as ca�acle ol li�'e 16 ou Lsi�e o� �h� :�.oth�r's �,vc�►�,. So a� Una�t 17 �oir,i , �ii� Iasi s,rirr:�ster o� �re�nanc;�, }ne 18 Sza tie d��s hav� an interest i� ��?e 1i�'e o� 19 Lnz #'�tus and ��r �nat reason can �,roi.ibi t 20 the a��riion all ±�oeiner. 21 S� ycu can see tr�a� �ne �.upre�n� ��ur� �ri �• 22 w�'?OS? };'<'�O ��^1S�r�r':i, 5��.i.1i:u ;_�i•�,^_•n ;ii;�°Si:,iO_'lU 23 , :.:.. . , .. ._ ..:;� .:.-. -��,�..� ..�.;:,ytis � _ � :: ..� ��r ' � „-�-y� 2•+ I 1 _� ,__ G J.. ':.�� .� _. J_ :'�� i�_,. � 25 .io�.-, � -;�ra:: .. �;� p�:n� u�� -�.: ;;=?a ;, "��.4:__,u �1 LOGAN 8 STYR81Ci{I COURT REPORTING AGENCY W BSh FIRST NATIONAL BANK BIDG. SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291-1095 � � 1 �r_;_ I � �?f`c'' '`.:":Oi:� :;_ . .�.--.�.'.�'�D �=' _�; �:. r`^'� -,r'_ _ � !'- !-r'"'- � i a r� ..-u.;_ ..;.5� , .: � � iU� l.� � L_ � � � L . � .., ...f i'.'.1..�1 �v i;^.—~~_. _._:�;. � '_�'i..��., _`:,'�� . . . J .:�.�1�. l:i�Jt._ t i:�M�.l�� .,s..:. l. a�'.... .'[� ,�i;��.'i: i:.� it';J� 4 ..�ii.tl��jP� v .,'J J Lu�� .��.4��i�.Ti--=1�t: �� G��Li.� t},iQi1• 5 `�'�z S�t�re7.a Court 'r.a� t��d u., 1�-.at :°r�� a-r� 6 ?�oc'�-�i�,�� y 2Y'T'.11�i. �c�t'�, 1G C�,.^v i1'ic`3 t'�, i'r1�,'lv�.i� ��F��rn� ` 7 ?:'!�'_^_t�,�� li:��f'r°y'�:1^� . ' 8 So �.�� firs L �Y{ro proposi�ions o� Ia,v 9 �hat I v��ouid sub�it zo you arz � cne, t��a v 10 ;ve ara lar:�iul?y at �hat location und�r �ne 11 zonir.g �av�s tha-t apply �o th2 City; an3 se�ond 12 �� all, La;e �o hava the con�titution�l rig�t 13 to u?�deL�ake those ac�ior�s �nat �:+re interd to 14 t;un�eY'ta��e � . � 15 '�"rie rhird prcposition �1 Iacv �i�3-t I :�rouyd 16 �i��e to subM�t is tr.i^ : �'hatany effarts ay 17 State or local governments ta �rus�:a�� }he 18 clear constitutzonal righ�s o�' a v�o:,�an anu her 19 p�ysician and n,ai�e PlarrrQ� Parentnood �o :�a:te 24 ��ar�n_�d �°arenthoo�? -- ta �a�a t::i� a�;�rtion 21 f�?v1a��(�ii7 u:�Q. �.'�.�?�Y`� 1 u �^j;' ., ilt.li l.n� ekili�C .�i.Li v � 22 �ri�es��er �rL :�ncons�; Lu';i��al and �,:zla-,�r�'u? 23 i :�a •,��___ �.� -r� ;�.�-, � �ti�. ::Y��1...'i c -- r" `he 24 ^ov:r�� , �r��=.; _ .:,�:.�i:� _.�,w;��: ,.. ,��.z �;:a � y�u� 2rJ ?iO_^a��:,.i.l:": :"Gt:JS�� '3i,._ t,.:��:.�:1 +''��'� �: � LOGAN � S�Yi261CK1 COURT REPORTINv AGENCY 1,1! 855 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BLDG. $AINT PAUt, MINNESOTA 55101 291-1095 �r� I 1 T '^ . _ `,�Oi"t .7' �3°. . `�'";E?<'G� c'i�L "'?p; , °�r.v� � - - - • - . �- .. e 2 C�i`�.._� :�r�l �.,t:�� :.�U�i7�BC� _. �v�T' 2;ali __':�:�?,� ;; i.:a'�;:'�i 3 �:.,:a �i ci.e� i�ezor� ; �.> ��u'_ h��r� -,vre�-?e�:z -��.�'�, 4 �r.;,� �;r:�h?er:. �:�ic:go , N-�, �,oLsis � e✓er_ $ �ii�ginia , .,?inr�eso va ar:� many� ?�ar:y ��:n�rs . b �'i��;� have al:i b�z.� ;r;;ir�� o s�r.�; a ,vay to do • � .� '� =rid_recfiiy �;�naT �h�;,T :,no-.�r ��.ey ca�' 4 do $ d?rec�Iy, ��iy� to plimirate anor±ion 9 �ervices. ^r.eir e�forts :�av� �Ae� imagz:�ative 10 in rnar.y c�s�s, as I tnink t'r_is �f�'�rt is , a.nd � � r�� sta ve has iried harder to get around t:t�se �2 cor�stitu�ior.a? requir?�en�s ��ar. r^inr�es�-�� naU 13 Bu� le; m� ca�L;orically say, ar�d � ±'r.�n:� the 14 Ci��J �tto�'Y1e;y can p?^o��l;J assure you o�' �th�.� � . 15 gi-,rer� �ime ard a fe.°,r s��,rces �to ci�ec,c ir;to 15 case la�.T. I' d '�e hap�y to �ss?st ni:� ;viTh 17 �ha1; i:V�SL?�3t�oZ1. �8 :-°Ji��ou L �::czpti�r. ev�ry sin�l� on2 0� 19 tre�e �e�,�ice� or :�e�ho�s to dis��uraoa a�or�io 20 n4s ce�n d�c�are� unv�nsLitutio�al and u��fu� 21 a��? ur�l:io.rcUa c1e . :.a� me gi;re you ��:�e e �_:.��.°� . or?' 1 �^^� ; ' 's Z? <>��-,rl �.1'l.._ � a ��. �"';?_ ir'r: lli'3u�S�J_""� V. . 23 � _ ,�.a`�'_"'a�Jr. ..::�1:�_ i� Js. �° . .. �'�f'.,' -'-?? �` - � . .. �. . . . _ . ., . ... +�[,.'� _.�:�:.; . 24 � .E �. 3 :"� .,, J � -, - „ _. � ._ ;;� . .�. �.... ,._ .�:. .. _Q�3.=� .._ ,"3 25 � :� ; . _ �, , . „ � ... �� iz� �.u.� c" l;?'?�� . `;';�e a�a�: ;i�_ ;:�s � I � ,a - `� ' LOGAN 8 STYRSiCKI COURT REPOR i ING AGENCY W 856 �IRST NAiIGNAL BANK BLDG. SAINT PAUL, P.1lNNESOTA 55101 291�1095 ' i 1L� 1 a��'�J~ , u --�.s�... = � �� :;n�v-"i•.,�ari �r:d '.r� �a . ' 2 �te_ ��?�:�.�+ -- �:`_:� :=�.�d.r'•��r: riU..°:a �� '.^:f, � 3 � .3.;'r'.vr- t �• � r' i �r � -.t� � n - F... _ t.��11 .i.5 �rC I i I'lOY' ;1�i'?i��_! ,�:"i�� C1 cY?� '� � I1U'_':?'.",t.'?" O i C7±:�2�' S t'3 i 8 O'�7.C i�i 8 . rJ mii� ic3.^,��; �i 4!12 C35`c'. ?Y'2 'dS t'O�1�J�T�: • b �'n� :��a�P �as� :�as ha�°��ed� do::rn ir_ �an;:�ary of � i 973 , �s ? �o�� y��.z. I�� 'e�rua�;; a.� ' 73 the 8 r-li:^.�eso�;a aup�e:�e Cou�t said �'r_a� �i,'1:2 ::i1:1I:°s�� 9 abar�ion s�atuts ;��as ur.c�ns�i�tutional . T:^.a� 10 sta�u-r� proni�i�ed abo��i�ns OU''i.2'1.�.1t. S� it su�danly th�re ��a� P:Z�nr�eso1a :v��'r�cu-t ar�y 12 abor�i�n regula��on o�' a�y �iind . �u i durir.g 13 the r.eVt legis?ative session during I�7� tne � 14 T�?�rulesota ��-; s?a�ure car�e u :��itr. ��- p thc �ta tu±e 15 �ha� bvn� t�1e :'Jade decis�or., if I ::ay us� t'r�at 16 t�rm, in a coupl� of =,�;a;s . First of all � it 17 pror.i�aite� a�or�i�r� a�L�r 20 4',1?CiLS oi ��eg.�anc • �$ 12"1':;''i.2''+' O:i '}�18 2''�I� VV22�i5 �t?:3� �Il� aLi��'2_^I? vOLi'_'� 19 ' � • . � ; , S�i.Ct ��GS nr:?iuc�.:.t_r±Q. N@�Oilu�j,T} .it S8� �.y r`7. 2� ''T'�:0.�'L� SP1; t7i E.'.��.3�'.c7�'u�;� i�.';''��"i..'<.0:15 � 8!":C� �::i5 ?� 2i 1:e a�^e�, I' d li'�e ,you, la�7wes ar�� gtin�?�n�n � 2 2 I -� _ ^-i �� ,. .... '� "- ;. . _ t=._-��r ^y-� :..� ^ r'.? '� . � `i� i� ��: � ��iA L ,.� i a .:i,. 2J I� ._ � � i.c �!7...�L�._ .,- r[�,�1n, c: .:i '�.1,+� +rl r'� - . . �� . .. n� r � •. 7 ..... .,��.._a. _ _.. ... ...: _.. �a 24 • , .., � ._ . . J' .. ��_ "..l a._ .� l�J� C3 (1�_1' ,:J.. �.L _� .�.y.�i ��.Q.L �.0 Q 25 C�::.:1j.� �� .c�:� � �fi� 3L;0��, u:i ._.�=°:?C:._ , ny� AJ 1 :� _�� " 1t�GAN 8 5TYR9iCKl � COURT REPO�TIfvG AGENCY W 956 FIRSi NATIONA! BANK BLDG. I SAIN f PAUL. P�1INNESOTA 55101 � 291�1095 �sl�. ` �, � : i�:, .•_`= <�i.:l ,_.... .� G ....-.^_� i :i,y:�� :?..c x;�, �J�: � ;c'�1'iY' J Y 2 u �i ..�Y:1,usi.'l�. T,^i -� 7.� J��.. ^ .. ^�~��. i.1.., .:�Z� :�C:i� O - . 3 il 4ti {.�,:� aliaC.. �:�iL,� VQ1..��1 �Y�i-� ,,i�rr� '7 ^ �..��,?-�� e��l - L . - _i� : t1QiG ._: l,i� �.. � �°..�� s T;i18 I"@vU��..�;10I1S rc�l �3-`:.?�.� �i.".i?},.O `N2�'° . 5 d��r'1ai4� l.!.•r'17:i:� i.i} �� c�„ � � +' � � . . � �a�. . � l.l,t i:�.�� r� 'i�liiriG�,C...� LG� ��tc�o . . . b ri�hi, baL� .vn��re it S�,3Y'i2� #'ro.:. ��i��hou;, ar_y 7 �u�T i�^vYl :3��3 "i;li�� v I �I�Jr ri1:1� . �i'�E'i VB:C�t 8 ler��hy a�:penu:tures o�' vime and ey��'�r L }hzy' v 9 gone -thr�ugh a grea t deai oi troub?e to �?ra�t 10 �.zn�e regu�a-�ions . .',"ir.�zso�a a�pealed �%�3t 11 decis7�n fra�: �ur Ioc�� D�s�rict G�urt to �he 12 Zr.��e:� S�at�s Su�rere C�urt anci ti.� �rpea}. was 13 dis��.s�ed . � 14 --- L�t �e r��ad you sc_ae �a:zoua�� '_oTM� t?�a t , . 15 c��e , tne :�'ir��?e��=ca cas� , �ro� page .�Oloc 16 '�It is c��ar ��ha� at.rzng �n;; perian �i 17 �r�tir:Uncy prior 4� t�e en� a,�' �he f?rs� 18 ��ri�:eJy?L �ne 3LJaY'�10� de�ys�on nusz be 19 al;;;ol��ly ie�� a �he juu�T�er:t of ��ze ;�o::�an 24 ar.a �er physi�:ar�." Z� r_'�i@ 2"i@:�l yiGi=° QI t`.L24.'. :,3"': . "��.�? �j?@ ��tg:! . 2 2 � . � .:i.'� �,� r t�.- -�.�'..,.i-., ..r v�+-. _.. .��.i`. .� v.. _ ��' �?'", � � . � � �~ .. .. � i. ...�. 23 _ �d ±i: ____ a��°. � __ _ , ;,. .�,, _ , :_� ,, � t _ � a:�� 2q , _ �� „ I �.n_1'.:`,,I i�iJ._.-. .�._'J�.::.1 1 • . � 25 �;,� �o - c�,�i_�•;; ,-..7 „- _.LV r�,:; , ;z _ t;� .�, _ _ .�... . i.;(� a,'� � i.OGAN 8 S3YR81CK1 COURT REPORTItiG AGENCY bV 855 FIRS? NATiO�JAL BANK BLDG. SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291•1095 )� � I 1 C _ �..�. t... � �.1 �aJ�. �. ..Vi.J L_ l. ♦ ,,�✓_i ,..� v��t ..1c:� .�V11 � 2 �1�:J'J._:i1 �._ ��'.L'��, r`1`��; 1f1'] ^`:��-L1.� .1 �J Uv.L.1 � lri.��w7 � � 3 � � 1 ri'it�i�tr�C2. ' i� 7 �j T,° .� 01�,.,,V .��„� � � . i .�r _.�i.l.::��.'. in'c-J' ...�� _. :� 1-!l�:s��' 4 ai:or�ior:s . " $ �'ne �,,•ords o� �oe ;r. �1ad� are unequivoca�, • 6 free o� in�erfarer_cQ b;� t}le S �a-�e . �,his means � �'1 ir�erferen�e of �r��r.a��ver .�or�:�, ,�:t:etnar �y 8 sta�u'�e or �dminist�a�ivern�ala�ion� . The 9 co�.:r} ,ren} o:: �o �oint au� �'^at ali of th¢�e 10 �?ra�ted regu�a}�ons ;�rhici: i:�^ludQ :^.a�� 1 1 re�uir�:��r,-cs r2.1.3�ing to -the r�:�Srs?�al fa cili�,y t2 ;;us v as your ~�e�a�orium r�lates �o r13�n��d 13 parentr.00d' s facz?i�ie� � ha� no rea.,ora�Iz 14 rel.3tionshi� to ,::ate�nal n�alt�. but ra�hzr � �. � �. . �5 O�ci a 1;@C�, and 1' 11 p UO s,p abc'3111� " _— �O S1Zi�i° 16 0+;� clinics and p�afessiona�s ��;ho �.�ri�r�ed �� abortion:, and �iaced u�on �cne�� regula-uions 18 so involved a:-�d co�n�?ex to s�i�1e `,he f�rr,at�o_ 19 an� op�razi�n ai ar:y su^,n ;�n;.Ii�ieU a::,d chil� `lO -t�.�1@ c��JO'L't�'Ji1 i�t''-.C?S?t7r'_ ??1$:':.i.?1�, t7-".^,+C°5S . 'r 21 ti:io ti:2r cas•�� , -the -�ase oi I�I;�be;'f; �r. �i1e 2� ,,; . n �, • _ • , w . �-i.� �_. 11i; ' i.:�_;3 , r'�";1: �� 3: ^' c.�-'=`'== vii"'C::1�: n 23 oL:;� _ �,� r'�: _.,.,: !,';1� -tV.? �.;� _�_-? . ','�� ,_' � ^ I J ► ZL� II � _ _ ._�..J i.0 ..��i '.:3 .,:��.t':i�'. jJC.,.� i:v:. .,`�L . '�_.`},pN•c„a . �� '�:%Vi:� �.`.:1`r `:`i:1'�: c'-,--,o �i, ? _� -�- ,� i aJ _,�„ a- j .v i: _ t�.�'i _1:i.: ., .±• � . . _u ' l.OGAN � STYR�iCKf COU�iT REPORTING AGENCY �V 856 FIRS7 N�TIOfvAI 5ANK BLDG. SA1NT ?AUL, .bi!NNFSOTA 55�0; 291-1095 ;i __ _ 1�� + � I � � � � -�- ^ <iq __ :i i;'tF0 r _ .. ..� .7S �Il; ..��c° �.?^...5�'�� . _. _ .. �.- — ,"_ ,� t Y. � Z � li::v ��, .;�1,L J� ��a V ry��:� � 1 i V� • J „ a. �✓V^_L�l.�1 V 1 1 �. �. ;y:L �:�1 ,,_� L 1.� 1 - 1 .L 3 S%?.Y i-{=o i.i,a':, t,:2.-_',� F�r !,1:^,Li�::i'� i10ss;� �c�..:. ':r'?S :lO i 4 goir�& ;;� co:r:;��it ar.y a�ort,;ons . ��:�e ^oLC.�t t�ei.d � �f:° rn�i2C� ^v? ��il�S !?0�;�1'�3� �eSOiu�10_^, .;$S '�O b , inte=.��r� ,vith -rh� co�?a-ti �u'�ionai rignts for � �� n,�^ .x. i � � r 1 }�i 1 7 a cc� _�:r. l�.a � :zos�i �a.� �ts��u ..��r. �,,as 8 s-Lric�er_ as u��o�:s��u�ional. ^hr �ourt held 9 7ur�:zer , and � �vnin:i �r��u should no��e �h?s , 1a t��+ �u'�I�c no:��i�ais a�'firmatively na� �a 11 nrovid� a�ortion �'acili Li�s �zcause o��er;vise 12 {i.i:v-^ N L��B OY' vl�f COu�� ?;:yirec-ciy �or abortl^v 13 si��;� b� 7�avir_G ?V@�'y �uc?ic hos�,i�al pass 14 such a res�luLion. I t;�ini� ��na� -�:ze cour� is � � -3-' s � � .L� . . 15 sa Jina hare is �na L ,�ou ca:� t da ir?�i�ec �.�y lb ��iza�`i. ;f4Ll !�n��v ycu can' t do c?irec��J. ;,et me 17 g?vp f�u a quote ir:,m. �hat case : "�:�?e abcrtio 18 d�ci��on and �i�e iM:ple::vr.ta�ian �s a �r�ardar,:er�= � 19 rig��t oi �ersona� liLp� L�J� n:�:'�ra_ced ;-.��i��n tn� 20 rour-�eeri�n aTM�end:�er_�t an� ��s thpreb� Troteti�ed 2� �r�:n un=�ue �ri�r=_>�er:tent b;� -��2 N i=1�LC. :, I� 2'2 �, _L , C �r::',�" .'n�i.15 � r.'k. ., ::0,",� CC:�:i'�)a]_?�t�_, �_V'C�:4�,?j�t,�:G�S �3 �) � . � �:, �._ _� . �^_; .'_ . ��. _ �` _.- L _ �, � _�;.� ;�: :,� .:r ��; � 2�F � . r . . .... _ T ^ , t ' � ( _. ...1'.-1�.:G 1� '�_ ' . :.J y 1:i�i S-.�.1....a J �. 1J�J� �.J:t� 1 J 1 /�C �.^ _. .,1 . �I -�� t • `, � . � L�J 7ill�v�:�-'.J !., ..� A �.,LVli��.�� . � . �� o�aN 8 STYR81CK1 � COURT REPORiING AGENCY � W 856 FIRSi NATIONAI BANK BIDv. I SAINT PAUL, ti11NNE50TA 55101 291-1045 !r�,; I � � P•.� '�`� `_ _'? � ' •-- ,c�:.+ i � 't,'-:. ,,� : ;J =;',;C,_ � �] ' L :,l��i�yi,��!11 6�..�/ �l.,P�=_, i:1.L-.y .1ii:'i .:tl�`.�.�}��f1:'+ J�r -��'� . � �, k.:a� 3 �i=.i,jr �i .�. '�i. . �`JiiiS . :i.:� �i2.-'..! �`l��.l 7 :�G�yrU� — 4 (�^au�ible) -- tna} pubi�.c�}r an�:��:��1 his 5 persor.al convictior� -�ha� abor�ior_ �:;as rnur�sr � 6 and ;�e �hen con�uc��c� a ca'�u�a-c�� anti- 7 a�;;,rt�.r�n polie;�. �irst, he ca:ne t<y� :<ri�h a 8 ci�;r crdi_��ance �ha}, a�ono o t'r.�r �izin�s , 9 c�ntained zon�ng restric±_ons � cer �i�'�ca�e of ]0 occ��panc� reqtiire::i�nts, �uil�3inb ��s ��ions 11 _�'or abortion facil�UZ�J a:nd various �t::a?� 12 rns�ri��i.on� . So�e:vha` a�or,g t�� a-ae lir.�U 13 I think the si-tua tion =s ana'ogous �o y�ar � 14 :.,ora torit�� r�solutior.. �:ii�e or�i�Lance rras 15 ��und �o qe unconst�tu�ior�al and an u:;justi_�'ie ' T 6 in L�„:�erencA �r�.z}: �he ri�r.� oi a��rtion aurin� 17 ��1� �'i:CSf', ''t,�'iT�!�S?:$�'. fi:'?� �t�, CaS2 IS ,`i�7.i� tT. �$ 1jn�pLr aNld i�:e �itatio� is 495 ?'�d 2d 1J!�9. � i9 I-r: June �}' 197'�, abou± �cu^ or �:;.�,e 20 �^.�:�ths �a�er, 1'r:e �i,-,�:±h Cir�u;L .�a� ar_o�:�er 21 „ � � � �:.,,i -- ; �- • , � �,c�. St, uS c. rco�e�:, :��' SO: E.' 11CSi�i�"ca2 r�v�t:..:atiors 22 i.t�=t?� �a4 _;�• ?�;� , _ i-�1��_ .:.u�r__ � ��-;r-�ic:�s _� 23 _ �� . . __�.�i� _ �.�c'_._c ;:.,:.� _ .-=__:� . :,-...,:...� �;:.� . - �- 24 i �+ �- _ , .. ��:.�.r � ... l�ri��._: . ,';"i ii:�.�.;�:' � _.`�c1.:1 L�i�rr3 c::� . 2� ....:i:C, � .� �'�,'� i'-,1:,1 _:_. �i? �: .�ii}`.._ .. .�:i��,-'r_- 17,�n i c�1-�i.. i — I — � LOGARI $� Si'YRBiC�CI �I COURT REPORTING AG�NCY � � �I W 856 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BLDG. � � SA,iNT PAUL, h11N�1ESOTA 55101 � 291-1095 1 i ,� i .,;i � I � � --:;:. .. � _ i'i°='_�. ;^;7 r,? � r".uz " -,y2" , "- ''y^'' I �' '• ;,� ,,:. < s ;r: �:,�. �, ,�: :. ..f� � � � i i�S��:� ��_��L'"� ^v,'.�.. �. 7.� i•i�ii��. `�1 ,tl? r,i�!'� Jf'':�.M� I � 3 1y�J . _�1�.. l:J..iiiC�'. i.�ilE�.' ;'1::".Jil� 113a v:7i!'"c3 L4:i ,.l.-t;?1 4 � s�I:Pi:�C o� nc,�i iia� s:,a:�`'� assign.��n�s so tha�� 5 eve��,}!' 7z'C'�?:�riC� p�-t��n�t �i:a� carae �o �hz • b �.asp��1:�1 .�;as tre��ed by a �n;Tsyc?ar_ :xrho ha3 7 �'1��'�3,�� ",":t^,=3i �G�)°C �:J: `'�O y:�°.T'1vii,", �,�^.�OT'v?OTl$ . 8 �'his t��:.� �;ne court not or_ly ��ruc�L do-o,r. }:�at 9 SCYIZT:12 02 x'@�illa}ions �:I3}; �:"oV°21''i.S 8�:02"�'i,?Oi1 10 �e�s.Ticn� Uut ardered the r::ayor �erson�l'y ±� 11 pay� p��s�nali�� '�o nay, al'_ attor�aya' "�es 12 f�r tiZ� ��air.i.i�fs irno ha,� b?�n ror�ed �to 13 �^£SQi"� -i0 three di��erent 1a:A,su��s ta e.�.ercise � 14 '��!eir ccr�st�.tu�ior:al ri�n�� , ihe c��u�� s�ated 15 in fiP3� cas� �na-�, "The ci�y and stat� 16 ��ae�r�:�ents ha� ��laya� �n co:�plyir_� �;�i�'r: Lh� 17 c1�ar di�`;a�es oi �he Su�r�:�� ourt ��?a�in� 18 Lo a;��-rt�on �;nci :ac'; aos�:�r��;; cort�.��.ued. to 19 i�p��:^n�t �rd en�orc� sla�" ,�s , re�ul��i�_�^ J. 20 and policies da.��n�d L� ^� i��_z::��ren� 2� �J:S�'_�"i.i.'�t i J 2"18.i. �3:`T c�i. � CZ�C�:a 2"�'� U y i:%28 S L'�i B i:`C' 22 (�..',,.. ?� . 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Sorry � 7 �cr interru��i�a. $ "�:�:rZ �y'v'�li": `!':3i':�i OU :`•�. 1 x'@Siu8l1'r. y � 9 :�ahat � ;�ras goi:lg to say ivas +hat ir� :�Y 10 o�in�.�ri trie reou�atzon o`' �?:? �or:� �hat' s 11 �,eirg cor,sid2.�� Jz?1 `Ti0�.8�'-A �n2 eons�i�:uLion 12 and �.f th� e�'fort is r��ade to preva�u us �ir��:� 13 conduc{ir�g la:=rfully our businsss anu ^ur � 14 activi�ies, tne vra;• I s�� i�, ,ve �;�i�l natiT� n� 15 alterr_�tive 4:;u1 �� se��t le�al relizf rrom the 16 iini �Er1 S��"t;�S 115�T].Ct �Ot:?^t . :-^i�l�'� i thi�'1:> 17 �h�} ih� 1.?^�d1C�"�1Cri T '^_?V2 �;I J�?1 yoU eS .�O 18 ti:e a�st r�cord �7 vhe dac�sions �hould �e a 19 . fa�+�r �hat you shoL.ld t3:a in?�o consiciew a��i�n 20 1i1 '�Ef,C.r,'itI1Z'i1=?� :T�73'"i, SiOl: ��° ?'�1.i:�-�, i;:� ..`�,� 'Ii?'�'t? �� v�?1S T'2S0'a#;�.0(1. 22 I -�=' �' .. = _ -� 1 i...: . .�r!r. :,,? _,y �t:`�.:ty �3 I � _._v; . .. .,��...:.ii . i} 1 _.,.. �. i �'.'.�.i�.:i-.:i v�.�:i :� :1 _ �, c: 2`t L., _.... . . 2S iili-. �� '�!a� :� U_1�Y' �._. .�:'vZ``"a 7 � . . �.r.^:i7�! � � _ I - � LOGAN 8� STY�2BiCK! COURT REPORTING AGENCY VV 855 FIRSi NATiO!vAl BANK BLDG. ' SAINT PAUL, MlNNESOTA 55101 291-?095 � �� € ! ,._.'v _ �iY, 7 '�r�.�.7.�v..,r'_ l. �1 .,..� uVC+�I. �4� . � 2 � '� ' .. " . " " . � _.� r .., �.� •. ` �:�L _ '' c''.':t�� '3= :J: .7. C� ',',,r !- ^;`J�u � 3 7i"__� f.._ i�;_, 1ir c�:'i d , ..J� :c3��. ..� . T�._.. ,.i5_ .i.:� ��..i',. 4 ^.ii�_�Yi�?�Ti Oi �.t�� i�.':!�','i�L i��'_Ci'_2.i vOt.i;?C1Z •�i' �J �i?� i�.c3�'3:'�� i,�r'c's:�'_iGJ.�,� _'i'::��c'1. `'i,10I? Oi �::1@�'yC3 6 an�, �.as �een a -rol�;r`ee� :r��::� pla:tne� Pa_ent- � 7 �"'iO�G� O� ;'d2i1I1B50t:H 1'Oi �i.^° i�::s�" C.'�;T�"1� ;y88:'S . 8 :�Tr. Johns�� orivfly �;:ishes �o a:ldre�s �h� 9 S�2C1:°1� resol�z-�ion 'C2i0�2 i;12 CO'�'1C11 8'_�{3 `FO 10 rz�ort on �h� leoal cas�s �'�r �r.at resolu�ion. 11 GLO�GE R. a. J�;-�i1SC"�: .�Iy re^^ar!cs snoul� 12 no L iake m�re t�an five r�i�tates . 13 i�Ty r�ame i� Ge�rg° �Tc?�u~�so�. I a� a.n, 14 a�t�rnQy. I ar� hera re�resentir_g p?�;�.�e� � ; � 15 Parenthood o:f �{�inn�s�ta . I a?� a reszder� 16 0� i:�.inne�polis . 17 � ;�risn t� tr�an:s you for th� ��portunit;yr 18 �o �p�ak Lo y�u t�da;� a��d :•risn to a�dress ^�ysei� 19 -co certain *��r? s�ecir�c Z��aI issues o� tn� 20 ;r�pc,s�d ::oratorium. �e°vr� c�::��~n?;�t�.no 2� S^�C?�ic',a.''.l;y ^r �."1� : �!ICL�;,ll� 7 V7�.S11 �O .S��.°.SS . 2L �ii�1. �11'� 4'�v'1�'.`�1 V_.r ��.a��L�'.J'. ��i S i).�r '_�' .�Gi�i�� . 23 -• , _ _,- ,:,: � �r � - �:;J±3 _.�3 „'.l '��1� ..=�� -�;:'.2 .. .� .� .,..1.l.JlJ. ._.._ ._ .� __ � 2`t I �,._ . ..��i Ji=.:.�' Ur fi.__ ._ U �� ,_� � _ � `vi�...�:i I . �� '�.. . - �';"; - `.YJ.-• � i�� . .. ,. � . �,-:`J�.. � _...�_, i `:Cl:J C� �� lJi�.:� ��,�N�_ l:i�. . �_ - - io��v � STY��ICKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NATIQN:,L BA�!K Bluv. 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Je,.•ne i:3s �oir��d ou;, cvas 11 s?��ci�:icall;,� referred to �n +ne o��nion o� 12 �YIP UTfi1�e� �'ta�es Su�re�r,e �o?�r� �.z; �oe zr. :�au� .. 13 Tor erlpl�iasis , I ;a?li read ore per�ir.en, � 14 para�raph ir�m. �:��t decisi��n: ` 15 "ihis :n��ar_s � Gr_ tn� a�,ner hanci , Li�a�t i or ]b �h� y�vrio:� o� pregnancy yrior �o �.nis �7 c�mpLll�n� �o�n� --" ar:d i ac�d i a�en�,neticall;;J 18 �nat �he co��ilir.�, poir.± is a_t�r �:�e tnir� 19 �:o��h of �r��n:;y -- „�'r.e a�tten�?:�g rhys;�ci.an, 20 1i .'.J::o;.xi�`'••3'�.`,ivi'i ;'J.1_'t�.:l f:1>. 2 3 i,18i7� � �?S i�'�@ �i7 2� G'��:^i�3_ac, �.,_ `it�Lt� T'�='"Uic.`'•t" ,.� �;. L:� .,.j. . :j .'_.t�ii �r 4a_C � L:3 l-c� 22 �:�3�.`, �Z. 'i2�:� :':?s;��'_ �u��-,'--�-,� ..-= u� 1�'?I:L� S � 23 � � _ _, '.�:i:��' ._:)l.'1-.� �.. . _ .__ _ ,�� . ,�ii "";_?� � 24 i �'--- -�: _� r., :_�,_ ` :=� - .�.. � -,�- '-_ ( _- . . �;� :,�� . �S _ ... _�L !^ _ . i+ ^ .1.. L_ ' • t'. ,��. c� :�3�i .:� r; ; . 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The decision to purcizase the > > particular facility on r^ord Parlcv.ay v�as made 12 �y the roard in mid-F�Tarch, 1976, 13 COUI�7CILi:"Ai•; �OED?�ER: To just condense � 14 tivhat you said possibly to t�is point, �ras the • 15 decision to locate in fiighland prior to or 16 subject to the decision of Planned Parenthood �� to perform trimester abortions? �$ THOT��S ;JEBER: Subsequent to . . 19 � PRESIDEI�''1 HOZZA: Are you _finished? 20 COUITCILiY�N ROEDI,ER: Yes . 21 PRESIDEtii HOZ2A: P,Ir. Levine? 22 COUI�'CIT:,IAN �,EVIiVE c ��ell� I vrant to save 23 my -- I have sor�e speci�'ic question� for the 24 local people and I ;�,ould rather ;��ai� then --- 25 (inaudihle) -- catch a plane. � LOGAN 8 STYRBICKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BIDG. SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291•1095 71 � 1 COUP�CIi,::�ar� TEDESCO: ?�Jho are �the local 2 �eople? 3 (Laughter. ) 4 PRESIDEP+T HOZZA: are there any other 5 questions for Dr. Tyer? 6 DR. ZOUISE T`�'R: i.Tr. President� I would • � like to submit one other docuraent for the 8 record tha�t I think is very pertinent to t�ie 9 issue. This is a recent article done by �� Dr. Christopher �:easton who is a very ivell > > kno��m demagrapher� in ;vhich he coMpares 12 mortality associated ��ith all methods oi 13 the control of fertility ;,hich docuMents � 14 the mortality say for r!ethods of contraceptio ' � 15 versus childbirth. versus abortion� first 16 trir�es�er and second trimQster and so on. » And v�ould you like to see -this article? �8 PP,ESIDENT hOZZA s Yes � v�e v�ould lire to 19 do tha-t. T:irs. r�fix, if you could da this , ZD make copies �'or not just the council but also - 21 for th2 clerk of botn this docuznent and �he 22 o-ther document that ��as provided . Dr. Tyer, 23 thanY you very much. 24 DR. LOUISE TYER: ^har.k you. 25 P�ESTD�'iVm HOZZA: T:ir. ;;eber, did you have � LOGAN 8 STYRBICKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BLDG. SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291•1095 :� 72 1 any other people then? � 2 1HOT�lAS ��JEnER: The council has heard 3 from the :vitne�ses from Planned Parenthood 4 of ��Zinnesota as v�e were invited to appear 5 before the councii. I know there are a number 6 of individua?s in the council �chambers z�rho � 7 wish to strongly encoura;e Lhe council to 8 adop� the proposed noratorium. ihere are a 9 number of individuals �vha wish to strongly 1� encourage the council to reject the proposed 11 moratorium. I +hink it' s at the council' s 12 on�ion hov� you tivish to proceed . 13 PRES3DENT HOZZA: At this point then I � , 14 would ask the councilMen if they have any � 15 questions for �the people v�no have jus-t 1 b tes�ified. i;Ir. Levine � T�Trs, Bu�tler. 1� COUNCILT�T�T3 LEVIN'E: Okay. I have a �$ ques�ion I' d like T;Ir. t7eber -- if you decide 19 yoLt'd Iike to answer that. In a letter datect 20 i�:ay l�th Dr. Brookings of the St. Paul-Ramsey 21 prenatal center indicated that he t,�:as taking 22 an in�ormal poll of �bstetricians and 23 - g;�necolo;ists in the S-t . Paul area regarding 24 -L�ze need -for additional abortion facilitie:s. 25 and then this morning ��e have received a copy � LOGAN 8 STYRBICKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 656 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BLDG. SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291•1095 a x„_ _ . _ _ _. � � o� a letter that said that he had cont2c�ed 2 22 out of the 28 board certified or board � 3 eligible obstetricians practicing in St . Paul. 4 Of the 22 �hat he personally contacted 8 openl S adMitted to having done abortions in the past. 6 Non� o� these physicians feel that aboriion � � facilities is needed for the City o� St. Paul. 8 Nocv� before I get a specific answer from you, 9 I ti�ant to poin� out to the other members of �� -the council that in the boaklet tha� v�ras > > passed out here just a few minutes aga �o 12 fro?� the Center for -- (inaudible) -- Control 13 abortions have been since 197� by the U. S. � 14 Department of Iiealth, Education ar_d t°:elfare � � 15 it points out that in the State of T:Iinnesota 16 Vrhere there were 7�154 abortions performed �� tha-t 97,8 per cent were per�'ormed in the �$ state and only 2.2 ��ere performed out of the �9 s-ta�e. For exarn}�le , in co*�barison ivith other 20 states , in ;lest Virginia , for exam�le� only 21 1.5 per cent ti�;ere perfor�ed in the s�a-te , and 22 in ::?ississippi , 14.8 per cent �:ere per#'ormed 23 in the state . North Dakota � 12 .2 per cent 24 v�ere perfor�ned in the sta�e , Indiana � 52 per 25 cent, h'e�� Jersey� 49 per cent. Tha-t seems to � LOGAN 8 STYRBICKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 656 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BLDG. SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291-1095 �� 1 indicate to Me �hat almost ev�ryone that �. 2 tivants an abortion in the State of I.?innesata 3 is ge-tting one� and I �:*onder ti�rne-ther or not 4 �hat -- �;��hether this shoy�s that I.7innesota is 5 in need for abortions and �-rhy do you feel that 6 ano-ther clinic is necessary? ��ha-� is the need � � at this point? $ THO�.T�'�S 't1E3ER: I'� not sure if there is 9 one question here or a number of t�em. Planne �� Parenthood of i.Iinneso ta tivould concur and we - > > have not seen the survey or the poll that you 12 re�erence, but v��e ;�rould totally concur there 13 is no need for another ab�rtion clinic� not � 14 in St. Paul, not in I-linneapolis , not in the � 15 Sta-te of P,Tinn�sota . T��?e to�ally concur T,vith �� that. Planned Parenthood of T:Tinnesota has no » inten�tion of establishing an abortion clinic. �$ As �ae open our adr�inistrative head- 19 quar-ters and aur clinical services in Highland 20 Village and provide z��ithin the framet,vor;; of a 21 comprehensive far�ily planning program for 22 Planned Parentt�ood oi� i.Tinnesota patients, 23 voZuntarily the fir.�t trimester pregnancy 2a elimina�ion services , there still �vill be no � 25 abortion clinic in the City oi S�. Paul. ��ie �. LOGAN 8 STYRBIGKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BLDG. SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291•1095 � � iai11 concur �,ri�h that poll. 2 Planned Parenthood of i°::innesota last 3 ye�r, and I believe T+7rs. Briggs' testiMOny 4 bears �his out, de�erred the lega]. termination 5 of pregnancy 1040 individuals o#' 2300 �A�ha �vere • 6 involved in our problem pregnancy counselling � program. 's-,e believe we can bet-�er provide for $ Planned Parenthood patisnts ��ithin the Planned 9 Parenthood of r�innesota . y�7e believe by �� including complete years oa contracep�zve > > care through the same facility at the same 12 time a-t no cost vre can help stem -the increase 13 in the rate of repea�ed abortions in the (� 14 State of P�ginnesota . So ;ve �r�ill concur :�tith t- �S that point. �6 COLTPtCII,i.L91�T LiVINE: Are there any �A�omen, » �,.r. ��deber, in the metropolitan area t,ho are 18 presently being refused their requests for 19 abortion? 20 THOPJIAS `iJEBER: I have no way of knoviing 21 that. T vronder ii anybody does here. 22 PRESID�,�:i HOZZA: T:irs . �u-tler? 23 RQS��LIE BUTLER: I,Zr. Cnairman� irhen you 24 deem i-� appropriate I tivould like -to malte a 25 s�tatiemer_t #'or the record but right no,� I wauld � LOGAN 8 STYRBiCKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BLDG. SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291-1095 7d � 1 like to ask a question cf the a�torney, r=Tr. 2 Johnson� that gave testimony. j�'ould that be � 3 possible? 4 PRESIDENT HOZZ�1: Yes.� 5 ROSALIE BUT�ERs I guess I'm a lit�le 6 concerned, because T41r. Johnson read from the • 7 resolution and he read it in a svay by taking 8 it out oi con�text it changed the whole meaning 9 and purpose of the resolu�ion and I �vould like 10 either to have him read the ��hole paragraph 11 or I �vould like to read the zvhole paragraph � � 12 for �he record. I' d liI{e it to go on the 13 record. 14 PRc.SIDEP��T HOZZ.�: Proceed as you ;�,ish. 15 ROSALIE BUTI,ER: You too� out of context 16 the "��hereas, the council finds -- further 17 �inds that a s�udy is required to de�ermine 18 ti�;nat� if any� controls or special conditions 19 or limitations should 'oe pZaced u�on -the 20 loca-�ion oi such facilities in the City," 21 and there you stop: Ho;rever, the rest of the 22 sentenee is � "Since such a study aras not done 23 prior to the adoption of the �e�;� St. Pau2 24 Council zoning ordinance . �nd in my opinion' 25 that completely changes -the Meaning of why � LOGAN 8 STYRBICKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NATIONAI BANK BLDG. SAINT PAUI, MINNESOTA 55101 291•1095 .. ._ _.,�., _. . .., � . . ..�.,.. .T. .: ._._ _. - ..,.. . _. . _ . . . ..... � 1 this moratorium is being requested. � � 2 ATTORiV�Y JOHl`1SOl�T: i,Trs . 13utler, in my 3 opinion this yrould have been illegal tivheth t_� 4 it was done before or after. 5 ROSALIE BUTZER: I guess .thai,'s not -- • 6 I guess I'm ki�zd of asking �.hy you didn' t ° 7 read the whole -- I guess I'r� a li�tle � 8 � concerned that you did tal.e it out of conte� ` 9 and didn' t read tne ��hole paragraph. � 10 �1TTORP�'EY JOIiNSOP1: I'd be happy to read 11 other parts of the resolution which I also 12 feel are illegal. I'd be probably nappy to 13 go through it point by point. � 14 ROSALIE BUT�,ER: But T�r. Cnair�an� that 15 is in the record no��r and I �hin:t that makes a � 16 big difference in the neanirg of this 17 resolution as far as this council is concerned 18 ATTORr]EY JOHNSOId; mhank you. 19 PRESID�A1� HOZZAs idr. Christensen? , 20 COUNCII�irSAN CHRISTE;�'SET�T: r:sr.. '.3eber, I'm 21 �•�ondering about this decision about the - 22 availability of abortions �=�i-thin an office 23 Uui].dzng and so on. Is there a certain � 24 psychological advantage to of�'ering -�his to . 25 pa�ien�s? I suppose knoivir� the -- let' s � LOGAN 8 STYRBICKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY � W 856 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BLDG. SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 __ 291•1095 8 � 1 suppose I were calling the shots. I thin� 2 maybe tha't I ;�rould survey my con.�?unity .and . 3 said that something li�e this is really �o� ^- 4 to provide a be-tter approach as the Plann ' �"� S Parenthood' s major facility office and so � . 6 o#'fering all advice and so on and prefer � � � having either an abortion referring to . �� 8 hospi�als or other places and avoid that 9 great controversy but still give excellent ' �� service' to the patients. So getting back to 11 the beginning o.� my statement� is there any 12 particular advan�age to offering this in your 13 office facilities? �� 14 TH0a.�1S .��EBERs T+Tr. Christensen, .�x�e � 15 believe that there is or the board �x�ould not 16 have r�ade the decision to e�pand the medical » services -to include pregnancy termination _ �$ care . As we have indica�ed. the rate of �9 repeated abortions in i�linnesota is 11.3 per 20 cent. For reveated abortions - - (inaudible) . 21 ti^Tithin certain age. groups -- (inaudible} , � ZZ In 1q75 v�omen in thi� state reported having 23 two� three, fourf #'ive, in a couple cases, 24 six prior abortions -- prior abortions at the � 25 tine they i=�ere presenting ther:iselves for ye�=• � LOGAN & STYRBICKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BLDG. SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291•1095 � . -..._.._ . . _ _. . � ___... . _ _ __. _ _ _. . ..._ ........_ 1 another abor�ion. ��e believe that, in part, � 2 if abortion care can be available iA�ithin the 3 context of a contraceptive program by an agen 4 vrhose primary concern is not abortion bu� � 5 pregnancy prevention, z�rho v.►ould like to s� : `� 6 abortions be unneeded , then u�e believe the.` 7 are very real advantages to that patient� z �= 8 such that she can be ir:imediately and at no 1 9 cost �o her provided a com�lete year of . 10 contraceptive care and all of the follow-up - 11 medical visits so that v��e don' t see her again � 12 for abortion. . Yes, Y�e believe there are � 13 advantages or sve would not have made this , 14 decision. : : � 15 COUTdCILT.�A1V CHRISTEP�SEN: ihen tne placing _ 16 0� this facility at that particular place , » ho�r� about the Highland situation here � do you 18 find that advan�cageous to be there? Is there 19 a reason to be there? 20 THOI•.;AS �^IEBER: As we indica ted we 21 investigated a number of physical facilities. 22 The particular facility that z�re purchased that 23 ti��e now osm vras best suited for the multiple 24 uses �r�hich :��ill be made available of the - 25 �'acility. The expression of sentiment from ''��'" � LOGAN 8 STYRBICKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BLDG. SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291•1095 � . .,.._.. ..,,__.. ._ _ . _ . ,._ .,. ,. .. :.W� ... ._. . __._. _ ._. 80 1 v��ithin the certain parts of the community � 2 that has been aired very �vell in the media 3 and by the television stations does not 4 represent all of the cor,��unity as I think you 5 kno��r. I think there are individuals witn_ :. �/ 6 council chambers today vrho would indicate . � � that to the council. It' s very unfortunate► _� �.`� $ that �ve are seein.g cer-tain groups at this 9 point, v��ho have every single right to hold 10 r�oral convictions on anything� impose those 11 moral convictions on others. Planned Parentho 12 of P�Sinnesota canno-t enter into a moral� 13 philosophical discussion. t�)e intend to change 14 no one' s values. v�'e do intend to provide � _ 15 high quality health care services. 16 PRESIDENT HOZZAs T.Zr. Christensen� » COUNCI�7AN CHRISTE�?SEN: tJe frequently �$ heard �hat there is an epidemic o� venereal 19 disease among our young people under 18. Is ZO this the case in the Highland area? 21 THOF:IAS tiJEBER: Seems that•s loaded either 22 v�ay. I couldn' t ans��rer that question. 23 PRr�ID�'P1T HOZ2�1: �"r. Christensen� any 24 further ques-�ions? , 25 COUPdCI��I:?A:I CiiR2STEI`tSEN: I�To . � ' "� � LOGAN 8 STYRBICKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BIDG. SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291.1095 _. __ �._.. �.. .. .. .._.,,.__ .r_._..... . . _ _ _..,_ .. ..... �.. _ „._.. ,..,� .... _ .__„_ _ _..�.._ s : _r�....._..,.,.-_. .. _ _ . 81 � 1 PRESIDENT HOZZA: P�Zr. Roedler? 2 COUI�CIyT�",AN ROEDLER s I have three short 3 questions � �:1r. Lleber. First of all. and I 4 want to apologize for not sending you a letter - . 5 which I wanted to send this �•�eek asking t, :_ �- ` � 6 questions but I just didn't have time , �ut. �, _ ;i 7 would like to know how much. if any� public � 8 funding Planned Parenthood receives? 9 THOI+TAS �JEBER: Planned Parenthood in 197. 10 approximately 50 per cent of the agency' s 11 total budget is derived from various sources 12 of public funding. It v�lould be some�vhat less 13 than tha-t in 1976. � 14 COUNCILI�ZAN ROEDLER: Could you give us a 15 breakdown on �ruhere the public money comes 16 from? 17 THOP.IAS L�EBE�s Public funds come from 18 Title 5 of the social security amounts, Title 19 10 is legislative � enacted by the Congress in 20 1970, went into effect in 1971� tiArhose sole 21 purpose is to provide throughout -the United . 22 States on an organized basis comprehensive - 23 far�ily planning programs . No Title 10 dollars . ' 24 either in P%Iinnesota or any other state . may be}. , 25 spent for the perfor�aance� encouragement of { LOGAN 8 STYRBICKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BLOG. SAINT PAUI, MINNESOTA 55101 291•1095 8 � 1 pregnancy terr�ination care. Title 5 of the 2 social security amendment is essentially � 3 federal funds channeled into comprehensive 4 maternal child health programs. There is a� 5 representative here from the State Department � 6 of Health who perhaps may �Nish to address you. � � • 7 The Title 5 and Title 10 , those are -the two 8 ma jor sources of fariily planning funds from� �' q the federal government at this point. _ . 10 COUNCILT�TAIV' ROEDZER: One more question. � � Ptlr. Cha i rman. Tdr. '��eber, when you opened up 12 your statement you indicated� or possibly 13 alluded to . some alleged media reports that � 14 were not accurate. Last :veek on channel 4 '� :�, 15 on the 6:00 0' clock ne��t�s Susan Spencer had 16 an article in ��hich she quoted you as saying : 17 that the neighbors were concerned about the 18 fact that there •raas a church and a school 19 � across the street, and you referred to that 20 school and that church as being Catholic. 21 And I v�ras wondering if that �Nas fair and 22 accurate reporting oz the part of Susan 23 Spencer or, in fact, you didn' �t say that? 24 THOi.2AS VJEBER s Are you trying to get me 25 into a debate with the lady? No� it �r�ras not a� •• � LOGAN 8 STYRBICKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 fIRST NATIONAI BANK BIDG. SAWT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291-1095 0 � 1 completely fair and accurate reporting on the 2 part of irJCCO News. I beZieve thz film 3 intervie.ys, which I did not see at 6:00 and 4 10 :00 0' clock, the film intervie,��s .��ere fair 5 and accurate reporting. I think as =.��ith any 6 means of public reporting reporters are free � 7 to ask questions of a factual nature, both on 8 and off the cameras � and I believe a question 9 vras asked of ine off camera �,vhether� in fact� 10 I kneV� what denomination the schaol and the 11 church was and I said, "Yzs � we do. " And 12 the ansv�rer to -that �vas accurate. Susan's 13 report was accurate. (' 14 COUNCILr�7AN ROEDLER s 6Ve11 then� when you � 4 : � 15 sta�ed that the -- and I'm not trying to get 16 you in a debate with the media as you qualify 17 your answer -- 18 THObZAS 1^1EBER: I'm not so sure of tha-t. 19 � CGU�JCILP�"iAN ROEDLER: No , I'm no t. 20 Because you stated when you came up here that 21 the media v,ras not accurate. :�1as she accurate 22 in her reporting or v�asn' t she? I mean, this 23 is a public media �hat -- 24 THOr+TAS T�]EBE�c I think I indicated� P�ir. � 25 Roedler, that I did not see that newscast and � LOGAN 8 STYRBICKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BLDG. SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291•1095 __ _,.. ., ...-.-_.�.. _ _ _..._,_,._ _ ._ . _ _ . .._. _._...._ � __ . _ .. _._.. . _ .. __.. , . � 8 f 1 I cannot comment on a newscast I did not see. ` 2 PRESIDErtz HOZZAc Pdr. Tedesco? 3 COUNCILr�TAiV' �EDESCO: �.�Jhere does the 4 other 50 per cent of your money come from. 5 1Nfr. '�Jeber? 6 THOP��AS 4JEBER: We have other income in � 7 Planned Parenthood of RZinnesota in the form � 8 of patient fees. Private, voluntary campaigni g _ ' 9 is the other major portion of our income. � 10 i^Ie do have rental fees for certain of the : 11 materials that �ve a].lov�� other agencies to 12 rent from us. . :�Je maintain a rather large 13 audio-visual library that other health . 14 agencies rent audio-visual materials from us _ 15 for use in appropriate areas in their programs 16 But the major sources of our income are 17 private financial campaigns and patient fees. �8 COUNCIZiY7A1�' TEDESCO s I think the two 19 � lawyers this morning stated that they both 20 were appearing on a volunteer basis? 21 THOP�ZAS 4JEBER: That is correct. �Z COUI�TCIL:.7AN TEDESCO: Is your staff also 23 volunteer or salaried people? 24 THOP�S GVEBER: tide have program volunteers 25 no� -- (inaudible) -- volunteers now. Program �_ LOGAN & STYRBICKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 fIRST NATIONAL BANK BLDG. SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291•1095 . 8 � 1 volunteers � about 350 individuals throughout 2 the State who serve in our program services 3 on a volunteer basis . '�tJe have 130 staff 4 � members of whom �5 are full time. The rest 5 are part time. 6 COUNCI�,P��AN TEDESCO: I'm only interested • 7 in your staff that you plan to have at this _. , 8 thing. 9 - THOP�TAS ;�'EBER: As we have in the past 10 and as we are firmly convinced is the right 11 thing to do we have both paid and non-paid 12 staff. 13 COUNCILPfIAN TEDESCO; How many people are 14 there? �5 THOIti",AS 49EBER s Beg your pa rdon? �6 COUNCILr.T.4N TEDESCO: How many people are » -- I'm trying to get the determination how �$ much does it cost you to run -that clinic a yea - 19 and half of that money is from public funds � 20 is the money from the public funds determined 21 by the amount of abortions per�ormed or 22 services performed in the previous year? 23 THOT+IAS '�tEB,;R: By no means . G°de have not 24 now� nor have z,�e ha d in the pa s t, nor do we� . 25 propose havin, in the future� any federal � LOGAN 8 STYRBICKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NATIONAI BANK BLDG. SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291-1095 86 � 1 grant or contract� subsidy, in the seven- 2 county Twin City metropolitan area . �le have 3 no -- no federal subsidies. 4 COUNCILP:TAN TEDESCO : I think I misunder- � 5 stand. I'r� talking about State money. 6 �'HOPtiZAS zJEBER: '�Je have no State money. � 7 There has never been a State appropriation . 8 in the history of t:iinnesota for family 9 plannin;. 10 COUl�'CII�Z�N ?'EDESCO: I think I misunder- ?� 11 stood T�Ir. Roedler's question. You said you 12 � got some money from social security, is that 13 right? 14 THOP�ZAS tit1EB;R: No� sir, I did not. He � 15 asked me the titles of the �'ederal legislation 1b that provided funds for the field of faraily 17 planning. I identified the Depart�nent of 1$ Health, Educa�tion and :Ielfare Act� identified . 19 � the social security amendMent which is 20 channeled through the i.�innesota Board of • 21 Health. 22 COU1V'CILnr�t i'EDLSCO: t�"Iell� wh�� I'm Te�711 23 trying to get at� and I rrill ask it in my own• 24 simple way� the amount of services you get in 25 1976 ti�till have no bearing on the amount of i, LOGAN 8 STYRBICKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BLDG. SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291-1095 .,-- ..___.-.-. . _... . . .._ _ _ -..._. ... ., _a.,.,,. .._� ,.._..��... . ., _ . . .. __ .� ., _._..... ._ _ ___.._._._._.. r �.. . . .... .. .. : �_.-RV-. _.... ., � . _�,� - - � ` 1 money you are going to get either from your �_ 2 home office � your drives or any other sources 3 in 1977? 4 THOT�AS '�VEBER s Oh, tha t' s quite correct. 5 That' s 100 per cent accurate. The amount of b services that one year' s income and one year' s �� 7 services � either a year in the fu�ure or a yea $ in the past� has no relationship to the presen . - 9 You are absolutely correct. �� COUNCII,T:TAN TEDESCO s Okay. > > PRESIDEI�m' HOZZA: r,7rs. Hunt? 12 COUNCIZ��JOr�7AN HUNT: I' d like to direct 13 our attention back to what I see as the major � 14 thrust o� this resolution, and as I see it� • 15 when we first initiated the discussion on this 16 last week I did not view this as a pro-life » issue as versus a pro-free choice. I view �$ this as a question that the council should 19 address as to the appropriaten�ss of this . 20 kind of facility in this kind of a comriunity ; 21 or other sir�ilar communities in the City of ZZ St. Paul and I think the resalution does . 23 address tha-t. Getting back to some earlier 24 comments � as far as the adoption of the new 25 St. Paul comprehensive zoning ordinance� I ° � LOGAN 8 STYRBICKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 656 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BLOG. SAiNT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291•1095 �... . .. .. .....�.,�_._,._. ._ _ _. . . _..,.. _ _ ._.. �... .. ..... � .......,_ .. ,._ _ . . _ _. __ 88 � 1 think lve can draw an analogy to another kind 2 of facility that the council had dealt with 3 at that time and that's the cvhole matter of 4 the location o� community-based programs, S whether they be for mental health purposes. 6 for correctional purposes . delinquency � 7 purposes and so on. Before the Cit Council Y 8 adopted the comprehensive zoning ordinance 9 we dealt at length in our planning department : 10 and within the council on how to deal with th 11 location of facilities of a community-based 12 nature because of the fact that our old zonin � 13 code did not give �he council the leeway to 14 influence rvhere a facility such as those that 15 jvere located. And because of that we did 16 incorporate into the new zoning ordinance a 17 method in Urhich to deal with it so that we �$ would not have a proliferation of some 19 certain facilities in certain communities that 20 vrould be detrimental in some way in tha-t 21 particular neighborhood. And this was done 22 at the request of many neighborhoo8s through � 23 various parts of toti�m. And I think on that 24 basis we can say in this resolution that we 25 can take a look at a location of a facility �� {,. LOGAN 8 STYRBICKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BLDG. ' SAINT PAUL. MINNESOTA 55101 291•1095 . �. ...,,�.._�.,._ . ..,_ . .. ..-. ... _, . _ ..___ ,,...,..,�,.,_ _,��-,. ._ .....__..._,,_,..... .. __.____ ---__,.. _ . _ .__.._ _ , __._._._... _ $9 � 1 such as this and put it into relationship to 2 other comriunity planning activities. So I'd 3 just Iike to re-state that I vieTr� this as a 4 ques�ion o� �vhe�her or not it' s an appropriate 5 kind of loeation for this kind of a facility 6 . and on that basis I'd like to have us address • 7 this. I think that we certainly heard some:. . 8 iMpressive testimony here today about the 9 v�ork of Planned Parenthood. I think they are 10 a reputable organization that has �een 11 carrying on a service o�er many years and I 12 don' t think that their �vork is being questione �. 13 I think the question that I see us dealing 14 vrith is the appropria-teness of this kind of 15 a facility and I would hope -that we could 16 proceed on that basis. 1� PRESIDENT HOZZA: P.Zrs. Butler? �$ ROSAI,IE BUTLER: Yes. I think TiSrs . Hunt 19 kind of brought the focus back to where I �vant 20 it to be . And that is through very clever 21 testimony I think this council :�ras maneuvered 22 into letting abortion be the issue here. In ` 23 fact� the attorney stated abortion is the 24 issue. One called it no abortion and the � 25 other attorney stated that it was an effort - � LOGAN 8 STYRBICKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BLDG. SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291•1095 90 � 1 to stop abortion in the City of St. Faul. 2 I guess I•d like to say that abortions are 3 legal. And I guess t:2rs . Hunt summed it up 4 very carefully. This council is not here to ". 5 judge abortion, the pro or con of it. They 6 are simply here to judge what amounts to is -� 7 a competi�le land use. and I guess I•d like" 8 the testimony and the focus to be on that. 9 I don't think anyone here intends to judge 10 the issue of abortion and I think -- 11 (inaudible) . But the testimony did not 12 reflect this. It was maneuvered� into abortio �� 13 anti-pro abortion issue� and I �vould like 14 the council who are present this morning � '� 15 �„� recognize that that is not the issue as far 16 - as I'm concerned #'or deciding this. �� PRiSIDENT HOZZAs Further questions for 18 Ts7r. 6�eber or for r�embers of his staff? 19 � COUNCILP:TAN TEDESCOs Yes , one last 20 question and it' s probably out of focus. 21 I tvanted -- i didn' t qui�e get the ansiver .� 22 I wanted, P�r. �i�?eber.� If you had 10 patients : 23 last year in your clinic or 1000 patients 24 it ZYOUIC�Yl' t make one bit of difference �on the 25 type of financing you are going to get from -� _- � LOGAN 8 STYRBICKI� COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BLDG. SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291-1095 � 1 all your sources? 2 ?'HOt��AS �;JLEER: Perhaps you are looking 3 for a different ans,�rer because you don't 4 like the fa ctual ans:��er. 5 COUA'CIISr�Iv' TEDESCO: Ido , tha�'s fine. 6 if that' s �he factual ans:�,er� that's it, _ � 7 fine . - 8 THOi1AS :��BER: Flanned Parenthood of 9 r�Iinnesota�s sourees of financial income in 10 future years has nothing to do �vith v�hat �ve 11 do in prior years. �Z COUI1CIZ��'iAN TEDESCO: Okay. �3 P:�ESIDENT HOZZA s ��r. Roedler? � 14 COUNCILT�IAIV' RO�DLER: P�r. Chairman� the � 15 hour is get-ting la-te and I agree v��ith P{Trs. � 16 Hunt and r,�rs. Butler that we should associate » our questioning along the lines of the 18 resolution that' s before us . Hot��ever, I 19 Vvould like to say that the people who testifie 20 last v�eek addressed themselves to the subject 21 ma�ter which is contained in �he resolution� 22 and I thought �hat virtually every spea�er 23 that came up here toda;�� tha� although they 24 stated that �hen things vrere otherwise� they �: 25 talked about abortion versus no abortion. So . '� � LOGAN 8 STYRBICKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BLDG. SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291-1095 L f 1 it v�as kind of mi�leading. 1 2 I'm not going to belabor the fact. but 3 t�hen you got up you stated that the media 4 ' had distorted stater�ents that ��ere m�de or 5 distorted facts . Then v�hen I asked you iM 6 regards to a news story that ;vas on Channel • 7 4 last V�eek u�hen Susan Spencer quo�ed you as - 8 relating to the churen and the school across 9 �he "street you stated that you didn' t see 10 that news cast. I did and she quoted you as 11 saying that that school and that church �vere 12 Catholic, and I'm just telling you that's 13 what I saw. � �4 The o ther thing tha t I ivould like to a sk � `i 15 - is what ne;vs media reporting are you -- were 16 you relating to? » PRESIDEidT HOZZA� I�ay I suggest this -- 18 excuse me. I think that we just had three 19 � consecutive speakers say that �ve were going 20 - to direct our questioning to the resolution. 21 Unless the council overrules me at this point 22 I'm going to rule any testimony or any 23 questions out of order ;vhich do not pertain , 24 to the resolution. Novr, if you v�ant to Qbject 25 to that say so no:�r because that t��ill be the �. LOGAN 8 STYRBICKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 fIRST NATIONAI BANK BLDG. SAINT PAUI, MINNESOTA 55101 291-1095 �, , . _ ._.__ .. _ ...�. _ ___ _ _ __ _ --„_... F _ . _ _ . __ . .. , _ 93 1 ruling from here on in. � 2 COUNCILP�IAN ROED�ER: After I ask my 3 question or before? • 4 (Laughter. ) S COUNCI�;A:� ROEDI,ER: �'or my edification � 6 I'� like to get that anssver if I could. � PRESIDLNT HOZZAs t�ir. Roedler, I'm going 8 to ask for a council rulir.g on my objection � q nov� before our y question is ansc•rered. Does �� anybody have an objection -- >> COUNCIi,MAN CHRISTENSEr:: r�Tr. Chairman? 12 PRESIDEl�'l� HOZZA: i+�r. Christensen. 13 COUNCIZi�AN C�ISTENSEN: I think before � 14 v,re rule on that I think that t:vo things bother �S me about that. Last �veek -- I neglected to 16 bring my notes with me of the testir�ony last » week -- but I think there were questions put �$ here about �vhat the treat:nent was of 18-year 19 olds and belo�rr at such an abortion clinic. �� I think for the public recor�s �ve should have 21 clarified those thin�s and �ve did. There 22 ti�rere questions abou-t follo;v-up. I have heard 23 informally since from many people who �vere 24 against the abortion clinic and I think 25 publicly the records should be clear. And � LOGAN 8 STYRBICKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BLOG. SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291.1095 .,..�._.__ . _�___�..__..._.___.- _ ._ _... -- -_•- �_ i ,_ .. .. .......,.•..�.... _. __ _., . . �.. ......... ......,. . ... ...„.x - _.. .. _ _ r � there have been many questions in the l. 2 ne�spaper� privately and publicly and so on. 3 I think this is the proper forn to clear that 4 up• And that' s the first thir�g that bothers 5 Me about such a res-�riction. 6 The second thing that bothers me about • � st�ch a restriction was tha L there nave besn : : $ allusions to the fact that �;�e haven' t heard 9 anybody from our ojvn comr,iunity supporting �� an abortion clinic. They haven' -t been heard > > from yet this rnorning. �nd I think maybe 12 we might be cutting in on their right to free � 13 speech. � 14 PRESIDEI�T HOZZAs Frlay I suggest that it's � 15 very evident the council does not agree vrith 16 my ruling. Ty1r. Roedler? �� CQUNCIL..IAN ROEDI�ER s y�Tell� I asked the �$ question, T�ir. Chairman. If i�7r. z�reber remember : 19 the question I think you can proceed. 20 TI-IOP:IAS V,IEBEP.s I remember the question. �� I believe you are makir.g reference to the 22 statemen-t I said in the beginning of the � 23 morning �vhen I said a g�od deal of inforttation 24 has been presented through the media and some 25 0#' it to this council and that� unfortunate2y. - � � LOGAN 8 STYRBICKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 PIRST NATIONAI BANK BLDG. SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291-1095 . F ._ : ..._____. . _ _ _ - _ ... �...__.�. . , ._.,,,.. .. .__.,_ . � . _ .. .,.... ... . . . . ...... ...��.� .._._ _ h . ! 1 riot all of that information were accurate. t, 2 I belzeve that' s .��ha-t I said. I stand by 3 that stater�ent. I did not accuse and, I��r. 4 P.oedler � you should not a'ttempt to put �NOrds 5 in the mouth of Planned Parentnood. The • 6 Media have distorted the iniormation. I said 7 muci� of the in�'ormation that had been � . g presented to the pubiic throuoh the media 9 and to this council vaere not totally accurate. 10 COUiJCILTnA�; ROEDLER: All right. Could 11 you give us an example on tha t. That•s what 12 I asked you. � 13 THOT��AS T�,�BER: Yes , sir. Planned � 14 Parenthood has been charged in the media � 15 not by the media , for doing abortions or 16 would do abor�ions on 12� 13 and 1�-year olds . : 17 I believe r=1rs. Briggs has indica�ed this 18 raorning quite contrar;� to tha t, i lanned 19 Farenthood has been charged .�ith corrupting : 20 the morals of the cor.ununity. I believe that' s 21 very distorted. Planned Parenthood has been 22 charged ivith tihe spector of raising an a�ortio 23 clinic -- in a residential r�eighborhood. Both 24 inaccurate. I did not charge that the media 25 had distorted in.iorMation. I cnarged that som � LOGAN 8 STYRBICKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BLDG. SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291•1095 C1 of the information that had been pr2sen�ed 2 :vere not accurate. 3 PR�,SIDEi�� HOZZA: r�r. Levir_e? . 4 COUr;CIZT��I�,I�' iwVINE: :�ell, I thinl� ��re 5 should confine ourselves to the real question � 6 and that' s the resolution and the appropriate 7 ness of the resolution leaally. �ut I suppose 8 I shouldn' t pass up this opportunity to -- 9 since Trfr. Roedler made a point out of asking 10 about getting accurate information. I thinl: 11 it should also be pointed out to �Jeber and 12 anybody else a�nd Y'm not ta�ing this �o -� 13 I certainly don' -t want you to feel that we � 14 are unduly pickino on Planned Parenthood but, � 15 you know, soMetimes it v�orks both t��ays. It' s �b possible that you can get inaccurate informa- » �ion out of this. I notice in your memo da�ed �$ r�ay 5th in the expansion for service� -- 19 {inaudible) -- to the board of directors o� 20 Planned Parenthood in which a meeting ti,;as 2� � held, 45 minutes approximately� where you 22 indicated that there were no� -- threats by _ � 23 the representatives of ��he Highland Park area. � 24 And I read some of those conments and I•d like 25 to say that T:1r. Faricy and Sieloff and fys. �, LOGAN 8 STYRBICKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NATIONAI BANK BLOG. SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291•1095 � 1 Kellogg and T�Ir. T.�lozniak -- and I look at 2 some of those commen-ts and I can• t believe 3 �hat you got theM �here because I attended 4 the meeting and I didn' t hear them come out . 5 the way they come out here. And I think, 6 you knoti��, it� s your right if you want to to � � et eo le to ind' -- � P P icate their support for $ �lanned Parenthood. So it' s possible that 9 -there can �s false information or not totally �� objective on botn sides. Bu�t I think we > > should really concern ourselves �ith the r�ain 12 issue here and� that' s for the nembers of the 13 council to buiZd a record. Plo�v, we have seen� 14 I guess my council -- when other council � 15 members were present v�e've been -- some of 16 us here have seen cases that have been taken » to court where the records have not been �$ adequate. I kno;v th� Knutson case on the 19 East Side oi S�. Paul and the Red Barn on 20 Snelling r�venue went all the way to the State 21 Supreme Court. ;�e have had instances ��here 22 the Highland Park neighborhood fought the 23 pollution cor.lmittee agains -�ie airport. 24 Imposed a night restric�ion on the noisy jet 25 aircraf-t and r�ere told that no � we couldn't �, LOGAN 8 STYRBICKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY . W 856 FIRST NATIONAI BANK BLDG. SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291-1095 f 1 do it. That case �yas a voluntary restrietion l 2 that zvas inplemented by the airport. And I 3 think that �vhat we see in this neighborhood. 4 in Highland Park, and I have lived there sinc 5 1956� it' s a neighborhood that doesn' t 6 generally rise up on all issues , but on � 7 specific issues that concern the future 8 growth and development of the co:�.�nunity. 9 And I thin�i that's what you are seeing here �� and that' s ivha� i:•e discussed at the meeting > > that �r�e had in your office. And I thin.k it' s 12 incunbent upon. the council to separate the 13 emotional part on the abortion issue that f 14 keeps coming out in this meeting. As the l � � 15 two attorneys said, one, that the citizens 16 of S-t. Paul have the right not to have an » abortion or to have an abortion. ;�Jell� the 18 City Council is not sayir� you shouldn't have 19 an abortion, as I hear it. And the other 20 attorney said it' s only a philosophical view 21 that abortion should be denied . T�Jell, as �ve 22 haard earlier� I guess -- you �:not�r� v�e are not 23 involved at this point in deciding ivhether we 24 should keep abortions out of St. Paul. It's 25 obvious tha-t on the informatior_ we have I l, LOGAN 8 STYRBICKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NATIONAi BANK BLDG. SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291-1095 99 r 1 think that peo�le can get abortions, and aver t 2 ?�000 have got theM� at the Hennepin Gounty 3 General Haspital, University �iospi�al� rit. 4 Sinai � Ramsey� r7eadov��brook and P:Tetropolitan" " 5 I:�edicaY Cen-L-er� Northtvestern Hospital and 6 Doctors Building. I � quite fran��ly� didn' t • � vnoti� you could go �to all of these facilities. : $ I Ynev�, you Yno�:�, that -they ,�ere perforrning 9 abortions in �:iinnesota but I didn' t kno►v that 10 you could go to all of these places. And �;�hen > > I read the federa2 information that 98. -- �2 or 97.8 per cent of anybody 4vho ;arants an �3 abor�ion can get one in i�?inneso�a � then I 14 question v�►hether we need anotner facility. 15 �nd it seeMS to me that -the council has to 16 confine itself -to the specifics, the factual » information, on tirhether or not this facili-tf �$ trill be too far aT;�ay from a hospital or -- you �9 knotiv� I think if vre are going to build a 20 record then we shouldn' t mislead any members 21 of -the public and �ve shouldn' t fool ourselves 22 here. Ei-ther, you kno:•r, ii you are for the 23 resolu-�ion I think you better dra;; up an 24 adequate record. ;�e really shauldn' � be 25 talking about all the other things because. �. �_ LOGAN 8 STYRBICKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BLDG. SAINT PAUI, MINNESOTA 55101 291-1095 10 � 1 they are not i:�portant. as we have found out 2 in so Many cases the court tvill tnro�rr it out 3 unless you build up a record . So for t�iose 4 in support of the resolution I think it's S important to do tha t. And �.vhether -- i t' s 6 my understanding that ��;e are not voting on • 7 this matter today and tha-� the record will 8 be left open until nex� �uesday, is that 9 � right? �� Pf�ESIDENT HOZZA: ;.Tr. I,evine, that' s 11 right. And I think I should point out to 12 the council the purpose of this mesting is a 13 public hearing and I'm hearing a lot more ' ° 14 than public testimony. And if people from � � 15 the council have questions , please ask them� �b but if you have statements , 7.et' s vrait until » after the public hearing is over. :��e have �$ designated Tuesday as the date to consider 19 this resolution by members of the council. 20 Hopefully, we can make the best use o� our 21 time at the end of the public testimony today. 22 Already vre have gone -t�rro hours and Z� minutes 23 and I suspect ere �r�ill go on as long as Yve ha�e 24 to. So let' s -try �o af�ord the opportunity` 25 �'or -�he public to be heard. Are there further � LOGAN 8 STYRBICKI , COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BLDG. SAINT PAUI, MINNESOTA 55101 291.1095 ___.._,.._.,, _ _ . . __ _ .. _ _ _, .. . . ,_ _ . _ ._ . _......... . .,,,. � __ __. __ _ . I � 1 questions for T.�r. a�eber or for Plannad 2 Paren�hood of P�Tinnesota? 3 (No response . } 4 PR�.SIDENT HOZZ�: -If not� T.ir. ;�eber. 5 thank you very much. T��rs . Butler? b POaALIE �UTLER: E2r. Cha irman� t��as it my • 7 understanding that you are going to limit the - 8 addi�ional testimon.y to �he issue in the . 9 resolution or are ��re going to have more .on . 10 abortion or anti-abortion? 11 PRESIDENT HOZZAs r.7rs. Butler� I intended 12 to limit the testimony to just the resolution . 13 and there were at least -tj:vo objections I (� 14 heard and� consequen-tly� ��re will hear anything � l • 15 that anybody wants to say regarding the 16 specific resolution or the general subject. » At this �oint the City Cler� has invi-ted 18 a number of state and metropolitan agencies 19 to be presen-t. I do nat kno�rr if any of those 20 agencies are present but we will call them 21 one at a tiMe to speak ii they are here and 22 if inembers of the council have any questions 23 for them. And perhaps after -�hat vre can take 24 a shor� break and -then come back in the public 25 hearing. _ � LOGAN $ STYRBICKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 F►RST NATIONAL BANK BLOG. SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291•1095 � __ ....,_,..�,.w.., . . . .-,�,. .� . . _ .:_,..�. ,. _..,... :�..__, _ __ _ ,_ � . _ , 102 � � I believe t��o of the agencies vrere the 2 5ta�te :^lelfare Department and the Attorney 3 General' s o:ffice. Is there anybody here from 4 those agencies? � 5 (No response. ) 6 PRESIDEI`iT HOZZA: Is there ar.ybody here • 7 from either the S-tate -- (inaudible) Agency $ or the Environmental Quality Council -- 5tate 9 of l7innesota Environmen�al Quality Council? �� (1?o response. ) > > PRESIDENT HOZZA: Is there anybody here 12 �rom the State Board of Health? Maam� could 13 you please come up to the microphone and 14 identify yourself? �5 EVELYIV' VANAI,I�N: P,Rr. Cha irman� I'm 16 Eve15m VanAlien, family planning supervisor » from the State Department of Health. 18 The letter that came to us asked that 19 tve have a representative here because your 20 agency may have a po-tential role or abligation 21 in this type �of matter. and attached to the 22 letter was a copy of the resolution. Then it 23 _ says you are requested to voice your -- to hav 24 a representative to vaice your concerns and 25 interest and anst�rer any questions that the � LOGAN 8 STYRBICKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BIOG. SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291•1095 _,_,.. �,;,.�,,.�,.. ,_. ........�.,._ . _..�._ �,__._..n..._. �.._ ,......,_.., . ._ .,-,. ..n... _.-__... . .._ , .__ .. , ., .,�_ __.._.. _. � 1 City Council may ha�re . 2 This is -- and I sp�ak for the Comrni�sio r 3 of Health -- this is as far as �he department 4 is concerned a local zoning issue. So you 5 have heard too wha-t' s happen�d to so�e of the 6 State Health Department's regulations and so • 7 #'orth a s far as abortion goes. So I'in here 8 to answer any questions that you as��: 9 pertaining to whatever you ;vish. 10 PR�SIDENm HOZZA: Are there questions 11 for rnrs. VanAllen? P-7rs . Butler? 12 ROSALIE BUTLERs If this facility does 13 go up then u:ould �ve be required to �eet the - � 14 standards that you impose? • 15 EVELYN VAN�L:�,EN: f�ir. Chairman, T�Irs. 16 Butler, no. The standards that �yere in the 17 regulations adopted by the Board of Health 18 in 1974 have been enjoined along �vith 19 pQrtions of the abortion la�r� of 197�+• At this � 20 time we have not had the final decision from 21 the Circuzt Court o� Appeals so ��e are still 22 permanently enjoined froM doing anything with 23 first trimsster abortion facili�ies. We do, 24 ho�n�ever, have a volunteer reporting system 25 that cvas started . The abortion regulations � LOGAN 8 STYRBICKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BLDCa. SAINT PAU�, MINNESOTA 55101 291-1095 � ,..,..,.�_.._... , . ..�._., _ . -...__. , . . .... ...... �.__._ ,. _ . __.. ... �' 104 � 1 were enjoined in their entirety. In there 2 there was one phrase , one requirement, that 3 �ve do initiate an abortion reporting systeM. 4 Tha t v�a s thro��n out. Ho rrever, in the law it 5 says that the State Board of Health shall do 6 this. So the direction to us from tha • 7 Attorney General' s staff inember assigned to .. 8 the Board of Health ,vas that v�e set in motion 9 � a voluntaxy abortion reporting system. That 10 is �he iuIinnesota abortion surveillance system. 11 ROSALI� BUT�,ER: Then I guess I would 12 ask �J�ho does nave the responsibility for 13 making sure that the facilities are clean. 14 sterile, has a competent doctor -- {inaudible) 15 '�dho does have that responsibility? i b EVELYN VA1�'ALi�EN: At this point it 17 appears it is the responsibility of the 18 Planned Parenthood's board of. direc-tors and 19 their medical staff. 20 ROSALIE BUTLER: ihere is no state agency . 2t to control that facility at this point? 22 EVELYN VAiL'AI.LEN: Again� as I stated� . 23 we do not Iicense -- this is not a licensed 24 category. The reguiations thet �rvere providing '�- 25 �his sort of monitoring �vere enjoined by the - �; LOGAN 8 STYRBICKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 fIRST NATIONAL BANK BLDG. SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291•1095 10 � 1 court case. 2 ROSAI,IE BU`�LEt�e �SJhat vaill you need to 3 get that kind of po.•rer, an act from the 4 Legislature? . 5 EVELYN VANALI,EN: �10. Tha t vra s part of 6 the problem. The act from the I,egislature • 7 was challenged and enjoined because it was 8 regulating firs� trir�ester abortions. 9 ROSALIE BL'TLER: All right , because it 10 4vas too� restrictive. ^hat' s what the 1i governor said. ' 12 EVEI,YN VAIv'ALZEN: Yes . Bu-t at the same 13 time the entire regulation for the first 14 trimester were not that restrictive� were 15 enjoined by the court. 16 ROSALIE BUTLER : I guess what you are 17 really saying to me is almost anybody that 18 has a medical degree can set up an abortion 19 c�linic almost an;rplace if they can get the 20 permi-ts to do it and there is no one to 21 control it -- no one t� control t�vhether or 22 not the plac2 is clean. there is no one to ' _ 23 control whether or not there is follow-up 24 care -- (inaudi�le) . � 25 EVE7 YN VANALI,Er': "�Trs. Butler� they fall � � LOGAN 8 STYRBICKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BLDG. SAINT PAUI, MINNESOTA 55101 291•1095 � _ _�__ _ _ ._., _..,......_ _._ _ . .:....._�.�._.__,_ ..a..___.._.... . _. .,..., .... _ _ ...T... . ... _ _ _ _ . _ 10 f 1 under the same category as the private ` Z physician. The Iicense of a physician, the 3 registered nurse � is the control that the 4 Sta te exerts at this time. S PRESIDENT HOZZA: i7rs. VanAilen, in term 6 of the standards that Ty�.rs. Butler referred to � � 7 cleanliness, hy iene, etc. that is ov2rned • ' g � g $ by the State Board of Health? 9 EVELYN VANALI�I�i: Not in this private 10 clinic situation� no. Private conditions are 11 not. The facilities in which private 12 physicians operate are not licensed by the �3 State of I�Zinnesota . � 14 P;tESIDENT HGZZA: Are you talking about 15 any medical office or any clinic? 16 EVELYN VA�IAZLENs That` s right. The one 17 exception are the surgical centers. �$ PRFSIDENT HOZZAc So in other v�ords, the 19 only Iicensing the State Board of Health does 20 is as far as hospitals� surgical centers and 21 doctors or registered nurses? 22 EVEZYIti' VA1�rALLE�1: Right. �here are the ' 23 two kinds basically� the occupational 24 licensing and there are the facility licensing ZS which is -the hospital� nursing homes , � LOGAN 8 STYRBICKt COURT REPORTING AGENCY . W 856 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BLDG. SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 � 291•1095 10 � � intermediate care facilities . �here is also 2 prograM licensing performed by the Depar�ment 3 of Public ti°Jelfare� but abortion is not one of 4 the programs that is licensed. 5 PRESIDENT HOZZAs L�Jnat are some of the 6 programs that are licensed? • � EVEI,YN V�NALI.EA?: By the Department of 8 Public j�elfare, men-tal retardation programs , " 9 mental illness, chemical dependency� physic�ll �� handicapped. > > PRESIDENT HOZZAs Mr. Christensen? �2 COUNCIZ:��1N CHPIST�NSEN: I guess the � 13 statement has been made that abortion is not � 14 spacifically Iicensed but I guess it' s treated � 15 then as any other surgical procedure? 16 EVEI,YN VANALI�Ns As another nedical 17 procedure. �8 COUNCIL;qAN CHRISTEr;SEN: Okay, we �r�ill 19 clear it upthen. You say the State doesn` t 20 have regulations relating to doctors operating 21 in �heir individual clinic type of thing? 22 Only local authorities have such regulations?�, - 23 EVELYlV VA�i�LI�N: r'ir. Chairman -- 24 COUiVCILir1AN CHRISTEI!�SEN: Perhaps I should `� 25 direct that to the city at�orney. � LOGAN 8 STYRBICKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BLDG. SAINT PAUL, MtNNESOTA 55101 291-1095 � ...,....,,��.,._.._. . .. _ ,.�..-..�..,.�._.. .. ,._,._,,,.�,.,,.4 ,,..�,.._...�....T.�,..� ..�.,..: ,� ,...,.x-Tm.,,q,.�.A.,�..,...-, � - 108 � 1 PRESIDEP:T HOZZA : I thinr we pre�er our 2 at�orney to answer that question. � 3 EVELYPd VA1"�LLEi:: I don' t Mind ans,�rering 4 it no��. The medical profession is licensed � 5 only by occupational licensing at this point, � 6 unless tha� professional is practicing in a _ � - 7 hospital and so on and so forth. 8 COUNCIZrTAI�T CHRISTENSEI�'s mhen does that 9 � differ from any other surgical practice, minor 10 surgery in an office? 11 EVEZYN VANALIW�� Je looked at this 12 rather carefully and the abortion facili-�ies � 13 the sole abortian facilities� do not come 14 under the definition of any surgical center 15 services. _ 1b PRESIDLIITT HOZZA: P�Zrs . Van.�llen, or TPIr.. 17 5egal� is the State' s involvement in this 18 including the municipality of licensing of 19 physicians? 24 A�TORNEY SEGALs r�r. President. you are 21 referring to the doctrine of preemption ��vhere _ 22 the 5tate through regulation ��rill preempt or 23 -take over the vrhole field and prohibit ather 24 entities o� goverr.�ent fron enacting la��as in �: 25 that area . I think in some the practice for � _ � LOGAN 8 STYRBICKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BLDG. SAINT PAUI, MINNESOTA 55101 291•1095 � ,..,...,_..�...--_ . . _�,._-.. . _-._... . .. _ �_,..._ . ..� . , .,» .... ._ - - 10 1 the most part is under consideration. Here � 2 the ans;�rer is eitner the 5ta-te can preer�pt 3 the field or both t::e State and City ��vould be 4 prohibi�ted. But in th� area of land use � 5 which is i•rhat the council is considering the 6 State has specifically delegated certain S7 po:^rers and authority �o the city, but� �he 8 ques-tion of zoning o�. land use is definitely 9 a municipal function. The testimony l�ere has 10 sho�vn that for Ford Par.�civay is zoned B-2 or 11 B-4 and it perr,lits clinics. So the City 12 already prohibits clinics in certain areas 13 throughout the City. Does that answer your !' 14 ques tion? l. � 15 PRESIDLNT HOZZA: Yes. Other questions 16 for T�Irs. VanAllen? 17 (No response. ) t8 PRESIDETTT HOZZAs Thank you very much. �9 � COUNCIZr;i�1N TEDESCO: I think she ansvtered 2� mine tivhen she came up to the microphone and 21 said this is a local function. 22 PF.�SIDENT HCZZA: Is there a representa- 23 tive from either the metropolitan council or 24 the :�7etropolitan Health Board here? 25 (n'o response. ) �, LOGAN 8 STYRBICKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NATIpNAI BANK BLDG. SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 . 291-1095 ._._, , ..._,,..__.. _._,. _..�,..._ev._.,,..�._,_..,... � . _�__. _._..--.e._.�..._.._._ . . .._ _...............�- 11 � � PRESIDEPdrn HOZZA : If no�� v�hat is the 2 pleasure of the council? Does council want 3 to taY.e a five-minute recess or do you want 4 to continue on? 5 COUNGIy:ti�P1 TEDESCO: Continue on. 6 PRESID�i�T HOZZA: t�ie hoped to v�ind up a � 7 bit earlier. $ (At this point the court reporter cvas 9 � in 'the process of replacir� the steno- 10 graph paper in his machine �r�hile >> President Hozza continued laying some 12 propased ground rules for future � 13 testimony. ) �4 COUI`iCII,��10TfIAN HU1V"?': r.ir. Chairm�n, I think 15 in view of the time we should spend �he time � 16 that we are here on behalf of Planned 17 Parenthood but �ve would hear any conclusion �$ or rebuttal remarks on both sides of the 19 question on Tuesday. I don' t think there 20 would be a v�ay in whi�h i4Te could deal properly 21 �vith the subject by trying to wind it all up 22 today. 23 PRESID�'NT HOZZA s i:1rs. Hunt, I'm no t 24 trying to .�ind anything up. I thinlc :ve have-, 25 an obligation to hear anybody -that v�ishes to � LOGAN 8 STYRBICKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY • W 856 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BLDG. . SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291-1095 -...�,,,�—,�,,..,.:_ �....�,,,.,.,_....._M.�.,�_ ._ __.�-�._�...�,Y..,.� � ,,.�..-r.W.,.Fn��.• .��, . <- �_ . ._ , __ . �._ , . _e . _ __.�.._ .. .�., . . ,.. . ....,.......-, __ ...�:_. _ . � 111 1 be heard, and if it' s goir.g to be less than � 2 that Lhen I'm sorry� I �ust have misinformed 3 people. �'uesday �x�as designated as a vote on 4 the resolution and I am very reluctan� 5 personally to open that up to public testimany � 6 Today was designated as the public testiraany. 7 Pao�v, if council tivants to change that we should 8 talk about i� here � but I v��as hoping to finish 9 the testimony. TQr. Levine? - �� COUIdCIZrrtAN ZEVIR�E: The only question I 11 have � T�ir. Chairman, is that the number of 12 at�torneys �hat� are here in suppor� of the 13 resolution and there tivas a great deal of 14 legal information presenL to us today. and � � 15 whether they need more time -- maybe we should . 16 ask them -- I think v��e should find out svhether » they need some time to research the question. �$ PRESIDENT HOZZA: Before �ve allow anyone 19 -to speak -- 20 RAY�-IOT�TD rARICY: Could I ask one question 21 __ 22 PP.ES ID�idT H02 Z A: No . 23 . RAYi;IO�rD FaRICY: -- for clarification7 Z4 PRESIDET�'T HOZZA: No . I vrant the council ~ 25 to determine the procedures first and with all � LOGAN & STYRBICKI � COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 fIRST NATIONAL BANK BLDG. SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291•1095 _,._.._,,.._._�.,.w.,,.._.._,•�-..,..,,...V,..,,.-�-..•--.....-�.,.�.,._ e , ......._...-__ __._. _ ,,.,_,..,_._..-,.,._.._....,... ._.. _._..�v�,..._:..e..�-._,...,..,-..,.,T .�...,,_-,...,P .. ,w.,,.,.....,,,,,....,,..,...�,.�r�_ .. 11 � 1 due respect to �ihoever this gentleman is -- 2 (Laugh-ter. ) 3 RAY;:OI;TD FARICYs It' s your procedure, 4 sir� that I would like to ask you. You � 5 indicated those speaking for Planned Parenthoo � 6 and against Planned Parenthoad� which is not 7 the resolution. I just �A�ant to clarify that. _ 8 I think you said those speaking for and those 9 � speaking against. I didn' t think that �r.as 10 the resolution be�ore the body, ,�s. President. 11 FR�SID��'T HOZZA: Thank you vrhoever you 12 are. 13 (Laugh-ter. ) 14 PRESID�PIT HOZZAs Does anybody have any � _ 15 suggestions on how to proceed? 16 (No respon�e. ) 17 FRESID�1�jT HOZZAc Okay, le�' s make ane 18 more a-ttempt at this. Those that �vish to 19 speak either on behalf of Planned Parenthood . 20 or in opposition to the resolution� will be 21 heard norr, starting at 12 :30 , and �r�e will 22 cut it off a-t 1:00 o' clock and then hear 23 from other people that may v��ish to be heard. 24 ROSAI,IE BU�LEP.: Py�r. Chairman, I would 25 like to sugges�t it be those that want to speak � LOGAN 8 STYRBIGKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BL�G. . SAINT PAUI, MINNESOTA 55101 291-1095 _.. .__. . . .... _. , _ _ _.__._..�,. _. ..,�_,..�.,,.,.,..,._..�,�..,,,.,-. _,.,.. , .._._-._�.. .._�.,..-,�.,_.R-.,-- _ _.,... . �., _ _ � . .,,w__.__°ti_... . _ . _..___ _ �, _ 11 � 1 for the resolution or those tha� want to 2 speaY agains� the resolution and leavs 3 Planned Parenthood out o�' this. It involves 4 land use here. - 5 PP�ESIDEiVm HOZZA: �:Tr� . Butler, I don��t � 6 knoi� hov� we can leave Planned Parenthood out 7 of this . �1e should have made that determina- `: 8 tion before �.ve invited them here. �y: - 9 RCSAI,IE BUTLER: Because like I said : 10 before, everybody is here to speak for or 11 against the resolution before the council. 12 That is the issue. The resolution before 13 the council is the issue. 14 PRLSIDENT HOZZA: At this point is there �. 15 anybody here that �vishes to testify against _ 1b the resolution? . �� JEAN KRUGiRt P=!Y'. Hozza and members of 18 your council� my name is Jean Kruger and I 19 rise to speak against the resolution. 20 ��e have lived at 5�2 Soutn Cretin in the 21 Highland area for 27 years . You all k�ow me 22 and you kno�� that I never hesitate to speak._, 23 on issues that I feel are important, ��rhether � 24 i-� be iri the co� �unity or on a city-wide 25 basis . You know that over the years I have `� � LOGAN 8 STYRBICKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BLDG. SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291•1095 E .. ,_.r_._.«._-_._..__. _. .. . __..___..,.e,..._...... _, ...:...........�. ,,�..:....- -.T_.....�.-.�,.r ., .,,., ' ..�_.;_ _....- .,...., _ .>..,_.. .,.�_ _.�.. .._.-. _ ..,R.,x..._.._...,,_� _..,.....�.�_�., -._ lI 1 spoken on Many controversial issues. � 2 Today I s�eak as the chairperson of a 3 grass roots organization that we calZ Concern d 4 P�;eighbors Coali�ion. '?'his organization gre�v � 5 out oi several telephone calls that T receive b �rom aeopls tvho were concerned� ;Arho said what � 7 are you go�ng to do about it. They kno:�r that $ I don' t sit quietly. The organization has� 9 � gro�m in the area in support of Planned �� Parenthood arid their facility in the area . > > ti^�e started about three tiveeks ago ivith a sr.iall 12 group of people and our numbers have groi�m 13 daily. �ae have no lists from which ti��e can � 14 drav�� our membership, just our a:x;areness of ' '� 15 pe�nle whom we knew would support it. P�:os-t 16 of us have all belonged to well established » groups and kno•r� that it is quite difficult 18 to form such a group in a short period of �`� time but we have done it. And �r,e kno�r that 20 we nov�� number well over 200 people and we have 21 just begun. 22 On �ehalf of the one original purpose of 2� our organiza-tion tivhich is to support an open 24 co�unity, the legal righ-t of Planned 25 Parenthood to operate iLs facility in `the � LOGAN 8 STYRBICK! COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BLDG. SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291-1095 11 � � Highland Park area and to present factual 2 information regarding this area . Shor-tly 3 v�e �vill have an ad in the Highland Villager 4 which �•rill read, "As residents of this 5 coranunity v�e have beco�e increasingly . � 6 concerned with the opposition to Planned � . Parenthood i,�hich has been voiced in the � 8 neighborhood. Sr7e feel that it is i.mportant 9 to -- (inaudible) -- our suppor�t. �Je tivant �� to sta�e publicly that v��e as residents of > > this comr.iunity are in full support of Planned 12 Parenthood' s right to establish its facility 13 in Highland Park." � �4 trJe are avJare that some people have taken 15 it upon themselves that they categorically 16 -- that "the cor.ununity" is opposed to Planned » Parenthood. t�Te are a part of this comrlunity �$ and we are not opposed. 19 Planned Parenthood has every Zegal right 20 to move into Highland ParY. It tivill no� in Z� any �vay adversely affect the environment ar 22 disrupt the normal flo�� of traffic and 23 activity in the Highland business distriet. 24 Planned Parenthood � as yo�.z heard this 25 morning, is an established and highly respecte . � LOGAN 8 STYRBICKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BIOG. SAtNT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291-1095 11 � 1 health institution and has b�en providing 2 far�ily planning services ?n the State of 3 T{linnesota for over 40 years. mhere are 4 people from all kinds of religious, political, 5 social and ethnic backgrounds in this � 6 community. 'v1e ivant our area to be kno�vn as 7 one in urhich diversity is encouraged and 8 people from all walks of life with differing - 9 views can live in an atmosphere of mutual 10 respect and good �vi11. 11 ?�7e want to �velcome Planned Parenthood 12 for putting it.s facility in our con�.-�unity 13 and wish it the best of luck as i-t carries 14 ou� our progra:n. � 15 On behalf of Concerned Neighbors Coalitio 16 :ve ask that as you make the decision on this _ 17 matter before you that you do it in a rational 18 rather than an emotional manner� that you 19 base your decision on logic rather than 20 irrational reasoning, that you consider 21 fac�ual information above Misinformed or � 22 deliberately distor-ted statem.ents . 23 Let me remind you �hat you as -the 24 City council cannot and have no right to : 25 attempt ta legislate marals in St. Paul. � LOGAN 8 STYRBICKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BLDG. SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291-1095 k .._.....__.,-_.____ . .... .. _ .._.�,..__�... <, ..� ,.. . _...___. r._. .. ._.._. ..,, .-�,...�,.....s,�,,.-..,,.�,m-� .,...e,+��--�,-..,..,..,_.,.�......�...�,.......�... -,,..... ...t�....�„a....,.,,�....K..-.....M .. ...- ,....- 117 � 1 Thank you for your tir�e and consideratio . 2 (Apvlause. ) 3 FRED ..�ABT�Y: i:�r. Pre s i den�L and mem�ers 4 of the council, my name is Fred �'abley. I 5 aM an attorney in St. Pau1 and I am a residen 6 of the Highland area and my address is 2159 � 7 Juliet Avenue� St. Paul, P;Iinnesota . 8 I think that it is clear that this 9 proposal is not a general proposal. I believe 10 that it� is clear that this proposal has very 11 li-ttle or nothing to do with the proposed 12 comprehensive zoning plan. 13 The purpose of this proposal, and it 14 should be clear from the witnesses you have � 15 had here today, the informatior you have gotte 16 prior to today, is simply to keep abortion out 17 of Iiighland. By its very nature this 18 resolution fails to meet the requirements 19 that w�ere set forth by the �.7innesota Supreme 20 Court last month. The federal cour� has ruled 21 tha-t state and local governments r�ay not : 22 in-terfere vrith the constitutional rights of 23 the individual to obtain a first triMester 24 abortion. I believe that the law is clear 25 and I respectfully request that the members �K � LOGAN 8 STYRBICKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY � W 856 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BLDG. SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 . 291•1095 11 � 1 of this council do not minimize or attempt 2 to pass to others their obligation or their 3 responsibility to uphold the la,�,rs of the 4 constitution of this state and this natian. 5 The City of St. Paul should no� becoMe a • � 6 party to the denial of constitutional rights 7 of some oz its citizens because of a mistaken 8 impression of cammunity opposition is 9 unanimous. I am a member o� the Highl�and 10 area coramunity and I support and welcome 11 Planned Parenthood. 12 Planned Parenthood has probably done 13 r�uch more than any other agency in this state 14 to reduce abortions � if abortion is indeed � 15 the issue to be discussed . Planned Parenthood 1b provides more fa�nily planning serviees than 17 any other organization erithin the state. 1$ I also appear before you -today as a 14 representative from the coalition of 20 organizations and individuals r�ithin the 21 community which has chasen to call. itself 22 the Concerned iVeighbors Coalition ivhicYt �Nas �� 23 organized specifically to express sLipport 24 for Planned Parenthood in Highland. 25 P=lany :�rho have thus far spoken for the �; LOGAN & STYRBICKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 fIRST NATIONAL BANK BLDG. SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291-1095 11 1 corli.�unity on this subject have nost definitely �. 2 not represented our vie;�:poin L. :'Je are also 3 very �roubled by the division o.� the cor,irsunity .. 4 v�hich may be caused by continued conflict for 5 Planned Parenthood's right to remain in the . 6 community. The passage o�' this moratorium 7 � �vill only prolong the period of conflict and � 8 further divide the com�-nunity. Nothing is . 9 going to change in six months except the 10 divisions within the community are going to 11 deepen and become More perManent. 12 Therefore�. on behalf of the members of 13 the Concerned 1V'eighbors Coalition and on �,r � 14 behalf I respectfully request that the members 15 of this council reject the proposal bsfore 16 you. �� PRESIDEiVT HOZ ZA: Thanit you. �$ . VOICLc F,Ir. Chairman, members of the 19 City council, T am -- (inaudible) -- a 20 retired social �vorker. I reside at 91 South 21 Victoria Street. 22 I �Nish to protest the proclamations which � 23 I have heard here that this issue has nothing 24 ta do ti��ith whether members of the council are : 25 for or against abortion or certain factions � LOGAN 8 STYRBICKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY . . W 856 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BIDG. SAINT PAUI, MiNNESOTA 55101 291-1095 120 1 in the City because abortion very obvious�y C 2 is the issue� basically. �nd I vrould like 3 to testify tha� it has -- I know -this, that 4 for four decades of my experience in this 5 City I have seen the same kind. of people -. 6 backed by the same ecclesiastical au-thority 7 resist this general topic. 8 I was in the early '30's a fari.i.ly case- 9 ��rorker for the Ramsey County t;�elfare Board. 10 At tha-t time abor-tion was illegal and yet it 11 v��as widely �no��m in the community that - 12 St. Paul' s lea�din� abortionist �vas the Ramsey 13 County Coroner. A young friend of nine who � 14 could not afford to lose her job as a teacher 15 in a small town came up to the City and found 16 out. And people v�ere astounded and didn't 17 know this. Because he had his office on 18 p�Iabasha Stree�t and everybody kne;v it� and I 19 took her there and T myself saw her hand hir� 20 �10� .00 in cash in advance , which v�-as a lot 21 of money in those days. l�o�� abortion is legal 22 but at that time the pressure �;ras so potiverful 23 against the dissemination of coniraceptives . 24 tha-t we had to the same struggle going on. 25 P:Ty clients svere very poor, living in an . _ � LOGAN 8 STYRBICKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BLDG. " SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291•1095 12I � 1 area that is no:, Industrial Park. There it 2 �Aras a congloMOra+�on of very, very poor homes , 3 people were unemployed -- because of wids- 4 spread unemployment in that era � and I S listened to many, many sad stories about � 6 victims of umNan�ed pregnancies. And I was 7 under orders tha-t unless a wo:nan as�ed 8 herse?f and then demanded � referral I could 9 no-� tell her that there tfras a very reliable 1� contraceptive available. The �voman i�rho lived 11 in Highland or ��omen that lived in Crocus 12 Hi11s could obtain this from ti�rhatever 13 physi cian they vrished. But the svoman v�ho 14 needed it most, the mothers of large families � 1 S v�here the fa ther was unemployed had no svay of 16 hearing �his Uy word oi mouth and because of 17 any pressure by any authority in �his town 18 : it v�as no't �assible for me to give this 19 information to them. 20 The people who lived very orderly lives 21 are totally unavrare of the peril of victiras 22 of urnvanted pregnancy. Only social workers 23 knoV�� how extensive the crime oi incest is. ' 24 In my one caseload -- I had three cases of 25 this -- and the victims i•�ere li�tle girls in �`� � � LOGAN b STYRBICKt COURT REPORTING AGENCY W$56 FiRST NATIONAL BANK BLDG. SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291-1095 � ...,r....w�'^°""F',R!v,:'__' .. ..r.....,�«:._s.-...... ,FV...... .-. ,�..._....� .�r�...,;.... ��-:....,+n.wm...r«.m��...t-:...._�,...�.�... -...�..:v�-�-+.-.....-.�...�.�_...«,.—r� _ . . ....... _ _ ...... . .... ... ....._ . � 12 � 1 junior high school. 2 Also , people svho lead orderly lives 3 aren' t asvare that there are those �vho are 4 raped� literally raped , by their drunl�en � 5 husbands . � � 6 So I vrould li�e you to dispel yourselves � � o.i the notion, if you have i�, tha� �here is . $ something �r�rong vrith a v,oman ��rho neecls an 9 abortion. That is not al4vays the case. �� And tve need a facility such as alanned 11 Parenthood can provide. There are many �2 tiAromen �^�ho cannat -- vaho ��ili find I'm sure 13 it' s been proven and established that the C14 cost ;��ill be loti�rer in the Planned Parenthood � 15 facility. There are many �,vo:�en vtho cannot 16 go -Eo priva+e physicians and many may have » personal reasons for not being ��illing or 18 :�anting to go to St. Paul-Ramsey. 19 ;Je do not �vant a return to the official 20 hypocrisy of illegal abor�ion. And i feel 21 that v�e could -- This is not a neighborhood 22 probler,l� it is a City-vride problem of concerne `" 23 citizens that we vrant to facilitate any � 24 organization ��rhi ch v�ill help people i�rho need � 25 -this informa-�ion. �: LOGAN & STYRBICKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BLOG. SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291•1095 t _.e,„,,_..:,_ .. _....._.._�...._. .-,_� _ ., _ .....__ . . 12 l. � �hank you. 2 PRESIDi,�i�' HC2ZA: �hank you. 3 VOICE: ��y na�e is -- (inaudible) . I 4 live a� 1785 Scheffer, about eigh� blocks � 5 from the proposed Planned Parenthood clinic. 6 I aM a clergy�an by profession. I use the � 7 library across the s-tree� from the Planned , 8 Parenthood facility, and our daughter who is 9 no�,v in col].ege works at the Burger King fast 10 foods restaurant. 11 For the last several years I have been 12 involved in counselling individuals and 13 families ti��ho are considering abortion as one � 14 possible response to a very difficult set of i15 circumstances . These persons who wrestle 16 4��ith this issue in a most personal K►ay already 17 live in our neighborhood, for they come from 18 families �;:ho represent a cross section of our 19 population religiously, economically, 20 professionally, educationally. Some of these 21 persons have opposed abortian in �the abstract� 22 even supporting anti-abortion MovemEnts �+�ith 23 their Money. But cvhen faced Y•�ith the issue' � 24 in their persor_al lives, makes the choice to� . 25 terMinate a pregnancy as the choice ;vhieh is = - �, LOGAN 8 STYRBICKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BIDG. SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291-1095 � 124 � 1 the one open to them. This has not only been 2 My persanal professional e�perience but you 3 r,1ay want to checl� the national phenornena as 4 reported in the "AUortion �x;�erience" publishe 5 by Harper' s and available a� the local b library. . � � 7 ?^lhen �ersons Ma3�e the choice to have an 8 abortion they do not bZight a neighborhood 9 by seeking medical care in a respectable 10 clini c. � > > .Tention has been made of 15-year o2ds � 12 securing an abortion without parental 13 kno�rledge and, therefore� it is sor�eho�� 14 blighting �he neighborhood. ! �5 meenage pre�naney is a serious problem. 16 P�Tany teenagers do not share tlie fact of their » pregnancy i;�ith their parents until the �$ pregnancy is iar along and they say, and 19 often quite correctly, that if they did their 20 parents ��ould attempt to force them to secure 21 an abortion. That, sta-�ernent re�lects 22 problems in family rela-tionships tvhich pre- 23 da�e pregnancy. The sar�e of course is true - 24 of the .� 'nor girl who insists -tha-� her par�nts 25 canno�t kno;a of her decision to have an abortio . � LOGAN 8 STYRBICKt COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BLDG. SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA SS10i 291•1095 . _<.,.....,.,�_<.. , ..... ........_ ._ .__ ,x-,--..�. ..�, ._._. _ . _.._. . ;., . _ . _. . .,... _ _. _..__ .. .. l2 1 Sfilled counselors ��no are provided in the �. 2 neighborhood ;vorl� carefully v!ith such a 3 person. Often the paren�s �r o�her �er�bers 4 of the family do becoMe involved . I� they 5 do not and i� an abortion is carri�d ou� � 6 i� is because this is the least o�' several 7 undesirable alternatives. �'ur-thernore; 8 birth control counselling in contraceptives 9 are made available in the Planned Parenthood 10 c�inic so that a second un�vanted pregnancy 11 need not occur. 12 Finally, .some have sugges�ed that there 13 are other neighborhoods ra-ther than Highland 14 Par�; where Planned Parenthood should locate. � 15 I a� asllamed of such racisn and class prejudic . 16 I welcone Plar_ned Paren±hood into our 17 community. 18 T:ZR. TEDESCO: Sir, I didn' t hear anybody 19 say that it �vasn' t -��relcome -- tha-t you just 20 said -- (inaudible) . Ido one h2s r�entioned 21 -- (inaudible) . 22 ZlQICEs It has been .said . 23 I:TR. TE�ESCO : (Inaudible, ) _ 24 i�ATHY I-ii��T��'�T: T�Tr. Presiden�, members . � 25 of the Ci�y council, I'm here today to speak� �` � LOCAN 8 STYRBICKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BLDG. SAINT PAUI, MINNESOTA 55101 Z91.1095 126 � � in my capacity as chair for the Ramsey 2 County �7onen' s Politica� Caucus. The 3 ��?o�?en' s Polii,ical Caucus is a -- 4 PP.E�IDENT :iOZZA s iiiss , give us youx' 5 nar�e � please . 6 KATh'Y :-I�iRTT3ETT: Oh. Ka tny Ha r tne tt. � 7 i'm sorry. 8 The f�omen's Political (�ucus is a 9 na�ional� state and county -- (inaudible) -- �� organization which is r�ulti-par�ies conmitted >> to electing qualified ��omen to office and 12 also to serve .and educate ior �he protection 13 of ,}romen' s rights and issues that directly 14 affect ti•roMen. 15 I'm here to speal� against your resolution t6 because �ae are concerned that Planned » Paren�:hood has follotved all legal and �$ pro�essional procedures in goin� about 19 obtaining a building and setting up their 20 clinic, and t��e feel it is the responsibility 21 of elected officials to stand by or�aniza�ions 22 tha� are credible and -that have follov�ed the . 23 procedures in �:�hich governm�nt has set u}a in 24 order to open -tne facilities. � 25 Thank yau. .- 4�. LOGAN 8 STYRBICKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BLDG. SAINT PAUI, MINNESOTA 55101 291-1095 12 r 1 PFtESIDETdT HOZZA: Other people raho vrish l 2 to be hear� �n opposi�ion to the resolu�ion? 3 E. T. N.�1r�E: I a m E. "'. Ha-re. I ha ve 4 lived for approxir�ately seven of the last 5 nine years in Highland. I live at 53� South 6 Cre'tin. � � I am in opposition to your �roposal $ to lceep Planned Parenthood out of Highlar_d 9 Park. I cannot conceive that if �his ��rere 10 a group of doctors moving into the saa�e > > building -that there ��ould be any opposition 12 Fvhatsoever, yet a group of doctors co�zld move . 13 into this very building and per�'orm abortions f 14 tiArithout any problem fron �this group at all. L. � 15 It seems to me that i�' Planned Parenthood 16 ;zere coming into the eornmunity and i�rere going » to offer abortions during the first �rimester �$ that the red flag tivas goino up. 19 It seems to me ��e have been dealint, :A�i�h 20 red flags for a long time . 13ack in the middle 21 1960' s while I ti�ras minister of �he .�:oodbury 22 United P�Ie-tizodist Church I was called to a 23 mee�ing of S�. Paul clergyrnen to support 24 doctors at that tirne <<;ha t��ere having problems : 25 prescribing contracep�ives to -their patients --•� .� � � LOGAN 8 STYRBICKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BIDG. SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291-1095 ' _._......_ ,,..._.., , .,.,.. _.__.__<.�.._., . - .. ._ _. . .. . 12 1 in St. Paul. �hey as};ed for sL�pport aMOng � 2 the clergy for those doetors tivho � if they 3 :^�ere brought to court, ::ould be there as a 4 v�itness for their opportunity -to present 5 con�:raceptivzs . That ��as in the middle of 6 the 1g6t7s . . � � y�Jhile I was minister at C�eveland avenue 8 i�7ethodist Cnurch in the iiighland co�ununity 9 in the later ' 60's we he�d a mee-ting ��:i��hin 10 our chureh� among our oi�m people, at Cleveland >> Avenue� calling in a doctor fro� outside of 12 the community,� and the topic i�ras going to be t3 on abortion. I -thought this tvould be a . 14 very controversial issue ;�rithin our church � 15 and was prepared to take some fla�i for i�t. 16 � �vas ar�azed that this Evas not a controversia? » issue but �hat those people � approyiMately �8 50 people � S��ho were a t the meeting� tha t 19 there :�,as no flak �vhatsoever and no controvers 20 in tha t particular church in that comm�nity. 21 I think that when people are saying that 22 the comrnunity is opposed to a Plarined Parent- . _ 23 hood facility in Highland Park tney are 24 certainly not speaking for thE entire 25 cor.2^�uni-ty. � LOGAN 8 STYRBICKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY . W 856 FIRST NATIONAI BANK BLDG. SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291•1095 ' 12Q f � I �hink I would go on fur�her to say � 2 that for the past 2g years at various -ti�es - 3 ,R;e have received in�o our hoMe children �vho 4 hajre come fro:� very unfor-tunate circumstances 5 Y�rithin their oti��m family. "'his has not been • 6 a cont�nuous thing but nas been ai, various 7 times since the days when I �r•as in the 8 seminary. During those times tv'nen t�e have 9 had chi.ldren in our home v��e have had children 10 there t��ho ha@ been severely nistreated in >> tneir home, children v�ho �Nere unwanted� 12 children of orie-parent fa?nilies, children 13 isho had no father specifically. Obviously� (�� 14 they had a #'ather somev.here bu� so�e of these `- �S children had never kno;rn 4vho their father - 16 ��ra s. » Last su�er vre had �wo children in our �$ ho�ne, both oi ther� allegedly battered� one 19 a-t ll, one at 14. The 1�-year old �•rould z�ra�e 20 up in the middle oz" the night crying, screami 21 because he had been so frequently attacked by 22 his s�ep-father �•�ho caMe in drun',en and 23 punching a defenseless cnild in the s�omach �- 24 during the Middle oi his sleep. Tne other 25 child s�:e have in our hoM� is severely i. LOGAN 8 STYRBICKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BLDG. SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291•1095 I 0 �- 1 handicapped because of the same kind o� 2 battering. 3 And it see�s to me tha-t urn•�an��ed childre 4 being raised in fa:�ilies like this have almost S no o�portunity �o live ti�rith tne kind of • 6 citizens that ;{;e :;�ant in the Gity o� St. Paul. 7 Obviously, iA�e ar� trying to do soMething wi`�h - 8 them and for ther.�. I thin'� tne ��hole 9 con�nunity is trying to do tnat. Ilut :vitn 10 the child ��e no:�r have in our home our 11 psychologist has told us tnat ��re have t��ro 12 years to help �this child or this child is 13 not going to be helped. "'his h�s �een a � 14 long history for a child living in utter 15 h�ll, and I do no� want �o see children r�ho 16 are un��nted -to ilave to continue to live in 17 u�;ter hell. 18 '.�hanI; you. t9 P�,SID�i�;r, HOZZA: Thanli ;�ou. Are �there 20 any other people who vrish to s�ealc against 21 the resolution? 22 D,�1IGh�' CULV�R: ::y name is D�viglzt Culver. 23 I reside at 1831 Bayard avenue ?n Highland 24 Park. That' s near t:ze 5.ntersection of � . ; , 25 Fa i rvi e�ff so you :sno�•a �;�here tha t's lo ca ted. �. LOGAN 8 STYRBICKi. COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BLDG. SAINT PAUI, MINNESOTA 55101 291•1095 .._._, _.,_. . _._.__,..,.�,..�.-�.� Q..,.. __...e,R�,�...��_ .,.�_.;A.�._..�. _. _.,<.. 13 � 1 I did no� sign up on the sheet because I 2 assu:�ed there ;�rould be a nu�ber os others 3 tirizo .�:ished to s�ealt. I would siMply like to 4 a:�sociate myself tivith tYie re:lar�s of Jean 5 ��ruger i�rho t�;as the first to speal�, and v��ith • 6 T��r. riare cino ��as �he las�t Lo spea'� before me. 7 Ii, only took one phone call �rom the 8 Concerned P�eighbors Coalition to nalie me 9 realize tha�c :ve do not live in a �onolithic 10 corir.iuni ty in Highlar.d �ark. ,�le have a 11 diverse coMmuni�y. I#M pleased �o live 12 there and I join in '�re1COTM�i11g Planned 13 Parenthood to the com:^�unity. 14 Thanl�, you. � 15 PRESIDEr1?' HOZZA: Other people that �vant 1b to be heard again�t the resolution? . 1� VF'R�YA ROBiRTS s �.4y nar!e is Verna Roberts . 18 I live a-� 2237 Fairmount. I ;�rill shortly be 19 moving to 1615 Hillcrest lvhich is located 20 even closer to the proposed facility. 21 I tnink it is highly insulting of this . 22 group, City council, �o contend tha-� -the 23 issue before you is not abortion. I find it � 24 hig�lly illogical to presume that any medical , '; 25 clinic i,�ould have been protested as Planned �' � � � LOGAN 8 STYRBICKI : COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BLDG. SAWT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291•1095 1 Paren�hood ha� bee�1 protested. I find it � 2 illogical to presu:��e �hat i� ,�rould have l�een 3 protested so strir.�entl� if they z�rere not 4 proposing to per�'orm firs± trime�ter abortion . 5 For ne , hoz��ever, the issue ��hich is 6 overriding is one o�' the question o� lebality • 7 �x�hicn you Must address �in ma?�ing your. decisio . 8 I do not think you are qualified or authorize 9 ��rithin your positions as council menbers �o 10 regulate medical facilities or to license 11 medical facili-ties, i�or are you properly . 12 qualified ta l.egislate on morals of this 13 community with respect to abortions. l4 �'he is�ue oi the cor;imunity has been 15 raised and for Me this is a red he?^ring 16 since I v:ou?d like to conter_d that the 17 rights of the community have never superceded i$ the constitutional rights of others. 19 ^hanl� you. 20 PR�SIDLr��T I�OZZA: Thank you. Oiher 21 people that wish to 'ae hearc� against the 2Z resolution? 23 �O�ERT SCHP.EIH.9T:i:�.R: i:Ir. President, 24 I'n Robert Schre�nami�er. I recently gradusted 25 �ron a program at a^Jes-�ern P:Tichigan University L LOGAN 8 STYRBICKf COURT REPORTING AGENCY , W 856 fIRST NATIONAL BANK BLDG. SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291•1095 : , �, . _..:..._ ._,_._.�._.. - � , .,._., __ . __. ._.. 1J � ��;here I ��rorked as a volunteer in tne � 2 contracepti��e type clinic at Kalamazoo. 3 Planned Parenthood is recently consideri g 4 a rnove to a ner; facility in ::Rici�igan and the 5 problem there t�ras not nearltr ' .}. ^ � . . . J ��.3��. 1.�1J . 6 situation here. There �hey are as:�ing the � � community ��rhat part o� the ci�;� -chey should $ move in�o, because the city people are so 9 interested in having a Planned Parenthood 10 clinic �ear them th� tney are going to the > > co�ununity and asking �vhere they should move 12 vrhich v�ould be the best service to tnem. 13 So it' s exactly the reverse of this r 14 situation here. `. � 15 I find it disgusting -�hat a cor,zmuna.ty �6 can say that th�y don' t ��rant a Planned » Paren�hood clinic �vhen Planned Parenthood �$ often provides �;re only medical services 19 for soMe people. i:'hen I �r�orked at tnat 20 Planned Parenthood clinic a fe�; people had 21 come in jvho hadn' t had any otner medical 22 service fo� over �en years and Planned 23 Parentliood provided them s��ith this contra- 24 ceptive service and also �ried to encourage 25 them to go to a doctor ii 4hey had any other - - � LOGAN 8 STYRBICKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BLDG. . SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291-1095 R... . .... .._...._�..... . .. .. .. .. . ...v�....,.-�.._.a�.. .. .... . . ... . . . .. . ..� .. .-. .�. l r 1 prooler::s tha� sho:��ed up o�Z their medical l� 2 his�ory. So being a former volunt�er at a - 3 Plannzd :'arenthood czinic, and curr�r�tly , 4 I'm ti•�orliino for zero �o,�ula�ion groti�rth as 5 tn�ir secretary in T?inneapolis I su�port � 6 the i��orli of Planned Parenthood and I v�rould 7 lil:e to voice my opposition to this 8 resolu�ion. 9 Thanf you. �4 PRESIDE�'�' HOZZA s Thanli you. 11 . Other people in oppo�ition to the 12 resolution? 13 (ti'o response . ) � 14 _ PR�,SIDiitiT N:OZ2A: Are there other peo�Ie 15 in o��position to the resolution? �6 (Ido res�onse. ) » PtZE�SIDEN^ �-IOZZA: If not, -tnen ti�e r�ill _ �$ take the half hoLir testinony �or people j��ho 19 are proponents of -the resolution. Is �here 20 anybody 4��ho ti��isnes to be heard? 21 JO�IN I�AI:Y: F�.embers of council, my name 22 i� John I�ealy. I appeared before you last > _ 23 ��ree.� on behal� a� �he �esolution that council 24 is considering. . 25 ;�7e have he�rd considerable tes'�imony here � LOGAN 8 STYRBICKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 fIRST NATIONAL BANK BLDG. SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291-1095 ...__ . -.._ .T.,_.-.__. ._ , _�..,,.�,-.,,�.,� .__.._...,.,,..�...�..-.,.,..._�t..,r_._,..-�_ .. ..,.,�._ .. .. . . ..,.,.,.,...,..._-..._.___ ._.. ..�__..._. � � today and tnere are a nun.'oer of fact ques�ions 2 tha-t I don' t thin'.: can poysi'aly be resolved 3 in the context of this o�en hearin�. And I 4 i�ir�: that �he questions ��ha� r�ave been raise . 5 point ou-� t�ze necessity and the co�?plete 6 desirability of a rnoratoriu�i dL3ring �,hich • � �eriod all o� these ques�ions can be explored. $ If there are any� particular questions tna-� the 9 council vrishes to have addressed be�ore ta�in; 10 a vo Le on �he moratoriura, E�nicn I understand > > is planned �'or �'uesday, �-,e �r:ould be pleased 12 to address them. ,-;e don� t ?ntend to take the � 13 council•s tirne rebuttin; each of the inference 14 that have been presented here toda;�. �. � 15 I thin�; i= :=ould be appropriate a-t this 16 ��ne that vre ask all oi those ;�ino are in » iavor of tnis resolu-tion to please rise. �$ PP.ESI�EiT"' HOZZA: T:1r. Healy. I ti�ould 19 like -�o suggest that you are out o� order. 20 (I,aughter. ) 21 P:�;SIDET�ZT �-iOZZA: '^he �urpose oi" this 22 :�ee-ting is to hear testirnony and I'm 'trying to 23 chair 4his neeting, r!ayb� not �uccessfully� 24 and I'd appreci�te it if ratner than nave yau" - �_- 25 run the sho.v� try to let -the council. do it. � � LOGAN 8 STYRBICKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NATIONAI BANK BIDG. SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291•1095 , . __�.,.,.,an,a.-....__.;_ _ _ ....,.�..,,,-;�- _ - . .. �__ _ - - — --,. .. � 1 I� you ;�,ant �o have a der�ons�ra�ion do 2 it elsev;her� o-ther than �hQ council cham'aers. 3 Thar� you. 4 JOH^; �PAI,'�': I :�;ould �isagree :�i�h the 5 chair. I �thin?•: Ize' s done a nsgnificent job 6 0�" running this and I ?�Lno�•r he vrill continue � 7 to do so. If �y remar�s are ou�t of order � $ I z�rill e�pect you -to continue to tell r�e � 9 your opinion on this. �� PP.ESIDLI,T HOZZAs i:s. Healy, your remarIi 11 are entirely in orcler. This is a public 12 hearing ar.d any�hing you �,1�ish -�o say� for 13 yoursel#', is in order. � �� JOHI�; iLAzY: I i�rould express rn� wzlling- • 15 ness ta address any questions that the council �6 may have. I�' any points have come up �ha t the • » �A�ould liL:e me to make -- v��ould prefer to ma1;e �$ an organized presentation, i-l- tne council 19 feels that' s necessary a-t this time? 20 PR�SIDLP�I� HOZZA: 0-ther questions of Z� I��r. Healy? F,xs. Butler? 22 ROS:�LTE BUTL•�R: T�Zr. Chairman, if t�e'T 23 record is goirg to be Made on tl?e opposition 24 anci sup�ort of this resolution, today and nov� � �5 is the time to make that record I �vould think �. LOGAN 8 STYRBICKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BLDG. SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291-1095 � _...,,__..._....>�.. . _. . .�.�...�..,_ _ ._ , .,...._.. ._. �..:_.: ,..�,. m,�...._,T.,._....�_.._.__� _._�_... < _ _ ._.._ 137 � 1 because it' s comin� L�v for vote on Tuesday. 2 And if �ir. i�eal;,� has pQople �ere ti�rho can 3 give us evidence to help the council riake 4 a de�srmination I �=roL�ld thin�� his is the 5 tir�e and pIa ce �Lo be heard. 6 FPIESIDEi';rn HCLZ��: I:Irs. Healy -- � 7 (Laughter. ) $ PRESIDEI`± HOZZA: �oth of you. I ti�.on' t 9 say ti��hich �irst, I arologize. 10 FOSIII�IE BUi'.�.��r2: Tha�'s okay. > > F�SIDEir'T ��iOZZ�: ::rs. Butler, I concur 12 entirely and anybody that *�;ishes -L-o be heard 13 � sh.ould be heard . .:�r. Christensen? � 14 CQUP.CILi.�AiV CH?IS�'iTvSyN: I �hink �he e15 point si�ould he made for those ti�;ho ;��eren't 16 here last `i�ilursday that ��re heard considerable » -�esti�ony on tYie other side and �haL' s z��hat �$ the cour.cil :��anted and this went on for abou� �9 t��ro nours T be li eve. 20 PP.ESID�i•d`y' HOZ ZA: Tr1rs. Hunt? 21 COUT;CIL�;'O;:L!1�: I-Ni,�': :'s. Chairman� I thinli 22 tne ::za jor Ma�ter that. tliis council has to 23 acldress i Lseli' to is the questions that have` `' 24 been raised �rora a legal standpoin-t as to �the`` 25 things that are incorpora�ted in�o the � LOGAN 8 STYRBICKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 fIRST NATIONAL BANK BLDG. SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 • 291-1095 � _._.._�._..�_.. <,__.__.,.,.,,,<.�.._.. �-,.....:._-. -r.-.___ . . . .._-_,�...,..._ -._____�.._.�. ._.._._. .: . _ _. . _. ._ . , _ ___. 138 ! 1 re�olution. And I tnin.� tha-� ti•;hile v;e can'� 1.: . 2 go in�o theM in detail at this tiMe, I think � �ha-L�s goin� -to be �the chief responsibility 4 of our o;�:n City A�torney and his staff to 5 take in-to accoun} -the questions that have 6 been raisecl in connection ,��i�h par4s o� the • 7 resolu�ion. And I �hen hope �ve i�rill have a $ re�ort by Tuesday as to the attorneS�' s 9 consideration of this ma�ter, because I think 10 tna t' s ti•rha�;'s going to be 'tne crux of this >> i��hole �:atter as to the legal questions that �2 h ave been ra i sed and t:ne thrus t o� the � 13 resolution from the standpoin� of land use. 14 P?ESIDiNT HOZZA: Other questions for 15 �,Ir. He a ly? 16 (Pdo resZ�onse. ) » PPESIDE�;� HOZZA: T,Zr. Healy, is �there 18 anytnin.g else you v�ish to say'? 19 JOHT� �AZY: R'o, sir. 2a PP.ESIDy��T HOZZA s Onay� fine . 21 (A�nlause. ) Is �here anybody else that 22 i•rishes to be heard in favor o� -the resolution? 23 Ca?�.:.?T_; D�1�IC : I'n T:�rs . Car�en Dario. 24 I live a L 1406 t�dellesley. I@on' t live 25 ri�h�� in Hibhland but I'm righ� ne�:t door.' � � LOGAN 8 STYRBICKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BLDG. SAINT PAUL, MINhE50TA 55101 291•1095 z f 1 And i�: �,IVU �rou�ht out in the ne:Rrs nsdia � 4. � 2 and quii.e ��rell pu-L on I' d say by the ne;,s 3 r:edia � ti�at tnere ��:as a Catholic C�urch acros 4 tize s�ree-c and Ca��olic school. :�o��;T, this � 5 indicates �o r,1e -- this is very ^�ucn a • 6 Catno?�c area and I thinl� it is cieploring � �o -thinl: tha-� Planned Paren�hood Y,ould even ° $ thin� to put their clinic .�ithin this area . 9 I feel lii�e I'rn rignt nex-t door. � It is going �� to af�'ect our area . It' s going -�o ��ee� out � � people tna-� ordinarily ��rould cor+_e into the �2 snopping area . I certa inly �•�ouldn'L �trant �o 13 go to I-Iighland Parl� to shop after this -- � 14 (inaudible) . � , 15 Also I'd li�ie to no�nt out that our 16 cons�i�u�ion, if you are going to the let�er �� of �he lai�r, is r:i,y constitutional rights. �$ T�do;•r, our cons-�itution, -the preamble of the 19 constitu-�ion� buarantees for al1 our posterit� 20 -- no-t for you, not for me, no+ for hz::, not 21 for �.er� bu-t alI or our posterity. ihat 22 Means each and every one or us . �totr:� -the 23 futu-re postcri�y didn' t nean anybody Z'TI1d cvss 24 there . The �'uture �os�eri�y meant for the 25 c�zildren t;1at ,�er� coraing �o our country� . � - LOGAN 8 STYRBICKt COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BLDG. SAWT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291-1095 140 f 1 s��and u� far our cauntry. Here ��e are� l. 2 1976, 20C yearS �d�F�er our consti+ution �r,�as 3 �:�ade , and -:;hat :•;e are tren doir.� �o our 4 pos�eri-�y. Our cr.ildren are alloived to go 5 to an abor�ion clinic :��i-�houL �our paren-t's • 6 per�ission. ivo� jus L 13 , 1�, lb� 17, -they 7 are not leQally oi age until �they are 18. 8 So they can go to ha�re iheir ears pierced. 9 .:�oM ;�,That they have told r�� they have to �� have their paren�s' consent to have -their 11 ears pierced. But to �o to an abortion 12 clinic to have an abortion they don•t need 13 an;� consent at all. T'r�is in itself is �• t4 dealorable. :�ihere are -the �arents? I �lould 15 tn�� the5%'d aIl 'oe stormin� up herc telling 16 you vrin t theJ -thin'.-� of yourclinic and �he f� Flanned Parenthoad. All r?ght� if they :�ant �$ Plan.ned Paren�hood� tha�' s fine, but aUortions 19 are a�solutely something else . 20 Also, no�.:�, Dr. myer ca:�e up :,itn the 21 fact that -there t�ras only one deatn in every 22 ho:� many a'portions -- 1004 abor�Lions? ?;That 23 a'DOUt -ti�e 1000 babies �haz have been ta1rezl " 24 ar�d their lives? ;�Ino as�ced them ix" they 25 rvanted to live or die and r��ho cares? Ask a �, LOGAN 8 STYRBICKt COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BLDG. - SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291•1095 l� � 1 ch�ld �hat's beez. �eaten up �rho is 21 i�' he 2 ;•;ould ra�her have been dead all his li�'e. 3 I th�n'_� no}. I -�hinlc they ?��no�;v I'm s-trong 4 enou�h no:�r and I' 11 b� �ure tha� if I ever 5 ha�re a child or tha� I ever h�ve a chance • 6 I'ri going �o see �o it tha� o�her children 7 don' v get beaten up and I'n alsa going to 8 see to it that r�y cnild have a good brin;ing- 9 up, • 10 Than1; you �'or let�in� me speak. I thinl� 11 it's a gredt privilege to get up here and 12 spea?� up in this countrST. , 13 (Applause. ) � 14 w��ROP1 �'��i^: T:'Iy na:~:e is Sharon �bbott 15 and I liv� at 2023 SelUy. �6 i'1nd �•rhi le you v�rere tolcl all the things » Lhat you were no� adequa-te, you are adequate 18 as our renresenta-�ives of citizens here in 19 Si. Paul and I�r:. glad to ypeak on this issue . 20 I-Jhen liguor was decriMina�ized in 1933 21 it ;��as soon evident tha� a bar ��as not needed � 22 and s��ould ,�a-t be permit�ed on every city : 23 block. i�o:v that abortion is decriminalized 24 it is al�o evident that an aaortion clinic 25 is not needed in ever�r neigl�bori�ood or in �ny � LOGAN 8 STYRBICKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BLDG. . SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291.1095 �• _._.,._ _...___ _._ , ...._._.._...�, __�_._._.,....�-�.. ,.. _.,__..,..� �._.. . �.___ __..._..,,. �,_ _...�..-....,..�..�.:..._ � ..-. _,.�.,�.,,M„e,,,. �,„�,.., ,-.__.-, 14 � 1 nei��lborhood at rando�. Ei�;h� places in the 2 ^,;in Ci-ties that o�fer abortion is adequat2 . 3 ^har.:. �ro�a. 4 (�pplause. ) �. 5 FR:SIDE.:� iiOZZ�: Other people �•sho ti�rish 6 to speaz in �avor oi the resolution? � 7 VOIC�: T:�iy na�e is -- (inaudible) . I 8 live at 18;'0 Palace, 9 � It' s I�ind of in-teresting tha� Highland 10 Villa�e ��rould be able to get the airport to 11 re-schedule its flights, or a� least the 12 approach, so that ��e could aba-te the noise . 13 levei. If we can do som.ethinb against � 14 sor�ethins that is no-t esthetic for the people � 1 S of oLir s�a�e ,�e can have some�hino done. 16 And it' s good -�hat the airport did this on 17 a volunteer basis as I heard today. Iio:•rever� �$ no�� ;vhen rre :�ave sor�ething �hat nat only 19 offends tlze esthe�ic setlse o� the people of 20 a cor,Lmuni-ty -- I �•��as surprised ta hear there 21 tvere ?00 �rh� :ve-re in favor o� Planned 22 Parer.��hood. They still have an a�,rf'ully � 23 lor.g r:ays �a oo to reach -the over 8,0�0 -- 24 �t��osed to be 10 �00� �eo�le ,�rho are against 25 iz. Ancl no�•a we Iiave sor�e�hing tha� nat only � LOGAN & STYRBICK! COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BLOG: SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291-1095 . r _,. _.___.___ _.. __ _..._�._... .. _ ................0 ..,... .. � _ __,....._ _. „ _m,..... __._._. . _ _ ....._._.. 14�'� ! � opposes -the es�hetic ser��e but �he :�or31 l. � 2 sense of the people � :�rnich is far r�ore 3 important, Ar.d I thinl_ even �hougii Planned 4 Parentnood has a right and May e�.ercise tha� 5 rioht, and I thin� it a gros� injustice to � 6 the people and gross callousnes� toY•rards � -the people -to insist on using that rign� 8 ;�rhen they don' t have to. 9 Thank you. 10 {Applause. ) >> PPEaIDEN^ 'r'10Z2A: Other peo�le that ;��ish 12 �o be heard? . � 13 (No response. ) � 14 PRESIDii�'T ;OZZA: Ss there anyone else 15 ��rho ��ishes to be heard? 16 (P;o res�onse. ) » P�SIDyI�Ti I:GZZA s Is -there anyone else �$ that wishes to '�e neard on either side of 19 the issue or on ary other aspect of the 20 reso?ution? 21 D,'JIGHT CL'L�JEI�: T:Zr. Chairr�an� I request 22 to spea?; for the second �ime. 23 PRLSIDEP�m �z0?ZA: ":r. Culver� I 'm goir�g 24 to ask that you wait ur�til everybody has bsen - 25 heard :from �'irst so i� laa?�s li�se tre t�:on't b� �. � LOGAN 8 STYRBICKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BLOG. SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291.1095 14�4 � 1 running out a� ti:�e. Ts -tnere anybody else 2 �hat ilasn' t spoken tnat �:i�ize� to be neard? 3 (:�To res�onse. ) 4 D:�1IG�T�' CTJLVE;: As you reimen�er, T ivas : 5 brie� before and ?t' s :�y intentior_ to be � 6 nrief at �his poin�. 7 I'�1 spQaking aga�n partly because the $ persons in opposition did not even use up 9 the entire half hot�r that -th�y had originallST, �� I'd lik_e simply to urge the council as > > you delibera�e over the �;:ee��end an� r�a'�e your �Z deeision next �'i'uesda�t, I' d like you �o 13 rer:ie�ber the quality oz �he ��estir�ony you � 14 heard today. For three hour� you heard 15 �ro�essionals give you the nos� re�pon�ible 16 l�ind of ans:�,ers. I ��rould like to say tha-� » fra� the stand�oint of someone v?si�ing the �$ council today I heard a :�a jority of re;�ar::s 19 by the council r�e��bers charac-terizing �heir 20 tes-�i:,iony as clever, as dis-torted and� in one 21 instance , �hey labeled it "ahortion clinic" 22 •��rhi clz I thinr� r�e e:��cec+�d to hear from the 23 people thaz hatre just spoken. Tnat term t�ras 24 used a-t leas-� three times by one meraber of the 25 council a�ter an exchar.ge in ��hich _ � � LOGAN 8 STYRBICKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NATtONAt. BANK BLDG. SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291•1095 _ ._....__ ,. . _ _ _ _. _.. ...._..._ _:..,•.,..,.....�- ._,.- . _.. . ,.__. . ,_ . __ ._. ., _ ._ ..;..._.r_ .. ..._.._ ., _...� _.,._.. _. ___ . . .,.,.....� . ,� ,. k. . . . . . . . . . . . . ' 14� � 1 repr2senta�ives o:i Plan.ned Faren�ho�d 2 �pecificaily denied �he appropriatene�s of 3 tnat label. To refer -L-o v:�hat' s been talked 4 about ?n I�ibhland Par.: as an abortion clinic 3 aiter the professi�nal ;uidance you heard 6 today �hat you shouid be able to understand � � seems to -ne to be a miscarriage of �he l:ind . , $ o� responsibility you should e:cercise in this 9 Matter. 10 I hoge yau Yj�ill contrast the three hours i > ;�ri�h the s�atements and tne flak that has gone 12 along :vith this as S�ou maY.e your decision. 13 Thank you very much. 14 PR�;SID�TvT ii02ZA: Is there anybody el�e �5 tha t ��i shes to be heard? 16 ?�AURA ?-1I1�TDSOR: I'm Laura ,�?indsor. I » live at 645 Goodricn. �$ And I agree that this proposed facili�y 19 in the land use proposal, a�,ongst raany other 20 tnings , I w�ould like to knoL�� if �the council Z� ;vould have done -.- or T�ti�ere planning to survey 22 all the medical �acilities nos� in operation 23 and see �,;hether -L-hey are perforr,�ir_g aUortions 24 and possibly rezonino �heir facili�ies if they -- 25 are not usin� the buildin� no�•� accardin� to �h - � LOGAN 8 STYRBI�KI COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NATIONA� BANK BLDG. SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291.1095 14 � 1 zoning ordinance no:v. 2 PRiSIDL�I`^ HGZZA: I �hinl: that' s one 3 0�' tne que�tior.s ��re are going to hav� to 4 ans,•rer. 5 LAUR� �!,Ii�.DSOR: I ho�e �ha t you ;vill . 6 ans;;er it. This :;ould al�o o� course include 7 hospitals and. you '�not;r, if �hey are located 8 across the street fro�, -- (inaudible} -- or 9 school nr �ha-t �ype oi thing. �� P�ESIDENT HOZZ�: ^hank you. 11 TI-�RESA CI,E�i,T:Y s I';� Theresa Clar'� and T 12 live at 1748 Iglehar�. �3 .4nd I war_� to react �o -them �hat say � 14 : -the peopZe ��ho are for �he proposal vrere no�t 15 ��ri?ling to use up their time. ,�Te did give 16 ex-ten^ive things last week ancl felt that tnat » tir�e ��,�as utilized very orderly and very 18 properly. �9 I jus-t ;�;an� to r�aY.e one sta te�nent and it 20 is an emotional one . I� -the p�rents oi all 21 0� us here �oday ;=�ou2d have been so strong 22 .ior Plann�d Faren�hood h�ving abor�ions this : 23 �eet:�ng ::ould not be necessary. '��e �:�ouldh' t 24 even be here. Let' s thinl� about that. . 25 (Applause . ) , � LOGAN 8 STYRBICKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY ' W 656 PIRST NATIONAL BANK BLOG. SAINT PAUI, MINNESOTA 55101 291-1095 i� � 1 �,UCI?LE i�i�i�•;ESS�`.�: I'r� i�ucille iiennessey 2 and I live at 1944 Je�'feruon. And I lived in 3 -tnis cor��unity ten years. 4 And I understand then �ha� they said 5 �hat the peo�le that :rere going to -the junior • b higlz ,��ere oroanized. I r;ent because of my 7 o-rm convictions . 8 :�ihile I sat there today I �.00ked up at 9 that picture (zndicating) and I thouaht that 10 I have al;��ays believed ot�r governmen� ��as by > > tne people and �or the people , and I have 12 understood tha.t if there is any la;�,� any 13 constitu�ional la;+r, that people have later 14 decided that .•ras not -the real voice o� the �� 15 peo�le, vras no-t fully represented, that �hey �6 h3ve a chance of amend►�ent. rioc�r, you l�no*�r, » that in the United States there are many �$ people that are considerin� this possibility 19 th�� many of �he people did no� have the real 20 say on this la p�� in the first �la ce. ivo:;. if 21 the people in �he cor.�munity rise up and from 22 tneir drass roo�s , fro:� �heir co:r.MOn sense. _ 23 t'r.eJ* feel that it is their right to voice 2'� their op;nion and to ��a�e that they have this � ZS respect far life � tllere is res�ect f�r �he � LOGAN 8 STYRBICKL COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BLDG. SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291•1095 � 14 1 community. In My judg�ent -- this i� only � � 2 ny judg:nent -- I do no-t see �,�here tnis cannot 3 be con�idered , �Lha± they should be able to 4 vote by re�'erendu� to lreep their comr:�unity 5 the 4�ray the ma jority v:*ishes to have it and 6 zi there is a la�� -- I'r.1 not tr;Ting to be • 7 unpa��riotic, I h�ve oreat respec� �'or our ` 8 country -- bLlt I do feel �hat there are some 9 la,vs �hat need to be i��proved, and one of the�, 1� 'ueing :�rhen the experts co�..e up to us and tell 11 us e;.actly ho;: to run our life. And tney cone - 12 in�o a co�::ranity -- I i18V@ a daugh�ter Zb ana 13 I do not v�ish �or her to go �ro:a Highiand 14 Hi�n. School over to -�hat clinic. I lilte to � , • �5 _ I�no;^ �;ha L•s �oing on. I do no-� li'•�e �tile 16 service� tha� allo�v My children to go over 17 Lhere and I t��ouldn' t even knot�r that raSr �$ . daugh�er could be receivin; con�traceptires 19 no,�� or that she :•rould �.;e �ettinb an abortion. 20 (Inaudi�le) Lut ?f she had ps;;Tcnological 21 damage� phy�ical damaoe , I �aoLtld pay fo?^ it. 22 In 1'ac�, I';� paying for it aiready. I'm � 23 p�yin�; 50 per cent o.f �;� -ta.t doi.lar for -this 24 �o have gotter. to other children. . 25 r�nd that is :�rhy I•r� �or �he r�solution r � , LOCAN & STYRBICKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 F�RST NATIONAL BANK BIDG. SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291.1095 14g � 1 �o nave a morator�ium� for tllis to be s�udied 2 out �o �that -- ( inau;�;ble; . It's too big an 3 issue for the:.1 �o just slicle i�t in. 4 And one :�o-re s�a te:�ent -L-ha� Dr . Tyer 5 r�ade and that I ;vould ?i:�e �o addr�ss. That S6 t•r�,-� that she said -the beauti��?1 -�hing of an 7 abo�tion �:-�as the 1 to 1000 in relation to - 8 dea-t�.. Tdo:�r� I don' t lool: at i� that �ray. 9 I say it' s a I �0 1 in relation to deatn. � 10 And you could even say i�'s higher -�han tnat 11 Lecause there is a ��ossibili Ly of tn.e r�o�her 12 dyino. If you say death of a ciiild doeUn' i 13 r:ean any-�hing� ti•}rhy i� it that many �tates r• 14 an� your U. S . Governner.t has a death t 15 cer�iiicate for i,hat unborn cnild. ror that 16 aborted child they issue a death c�rti�icate. » Pdo;�;� I ti�rould say the rate is 100 �000 to �$ 100 ,000 people in relatio:�ship to that death. 19 1`;0�;*, I do pray and I hope �hat you 20 consider r,�hat seriousness this is. And the 21 people in Hi�hland -tha� I Ynorv and manSr _ 22 neiuh�;ors -tha� I have tha-t do not evsn go to 23 that clinic tnat I :;ou�d sa;� t�1at iz" you ran - 24 a reze-renduM in that co;ar:iuni�ty you ;vould . cor,ze : � 25 up �vith a great majori�y. and if a doc�or � LOGAN 8 STYRBICKI • COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BLDG. � SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291•1095 z5o � � can refuse an abortion, �to �erforr:z abortions, 2 ;�hy cannot a co-��ur.ii:y nave a com�nuni t;► 3 con:,cienc� by �a jori�y. 4 Thanli you �,lery much. 5 . (t'�pplau��. ; 6 FP.ESID�i•;�' HOZZa: i:�aam� I'm going to ' • � rule tha� no peo�le tha� ti�re've heard once - $ tha-t rae S•�ill hear nobody t;�lice. 9 ZIiVDA CRa:J�'ORD: I'm Linda Cra�:=ford from �� 1735 riillcrest. >> �r.d my only reason to co.ne up i� to 12 disagree �;�itn the gen�le:�Gn .;ho said tha� :ve 13 had had �hree hours o#' lono pro�escionaZ � 14 tes�i�ony and then cora�are that �„i�Lh �he -- � 15 I have forgo��en the ter� bu� ;� ;�;as not 16 very flat-tering -- tnir_�� t'r,a� „e had heard �� since . �$ I da not -�hin�� tha-t; the -testimony ,�re 19 heard from the Planned Parenthood addressed �� itsel� very ;�rell to tne isst;e. �'hey ��rere the 21 ones �;:110 in��oduc�d philo:ophical �hin.gs. 22 They }vere the ones rlha hrought up ��he emotiona 23 issues and not ��le other group. T a:� not a 24 me:�i'aer of �he concerned ci�izens group� I'm . 25 no� a r�ember a� the groul� -�hat i:s. (ir�audible) � LOGAN 8 STYRBICKt COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BLDG. SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291•1095 �, - .__ ... .. .._ . :_-�,M.. _ _. , __. ..,--�___._.:.. _ _.:__ . ____ .__._. .._ ._. ._. ._.. __ 15 � 1 has spoken of ir� terz:is o:i a vocal orou�. I 2 ar� ior Planned :arenthood -- �.riaudible) . Z : 3 thin:i tizey nave done :�ar;relou� in their t,rork� 4 just a; this young :;an said. I disagree �vith 5 nothing �;ha-t he said, but I definitely do • 6 di�agree ��ith ar. abortion clinic any��rhere in 7 SL. Paul in addi-tion to the hospital.s tha� $ have ther�. 9 Thank. you. 10 {�ppZause. ) > > (IP��.9LiDIB�i ;�7�IGH�'} : I;Iy na*.ne is (inaudibl ) 12 ��iri�ht. I live at I°33 Highland Park��ay, t;��ro 13 bloc?�s tr�ithin -�he proposed abor�lion facility. �� 14 I relt a ;:�oral o�liga�ion to be here today 15 as a citize;z� as a proud citizen of I-Iig�Zland 16 �ark and proud citizer. of this city and a » �roud citizen o� this ?•ahole United State�. �$ I feel a moral obligation. I have L.�ro 19 dau�h�e-rs that ;�r�1?� to scnool every day past 20 this facili�y. �'hey pla;� on the play�rounc� 21 ��o or �hree ti�es a day durin� sch�ol. They ` 22 • c�n see this =ror�� th2ir �chool ,��indo:�l. They 23 fr�quer.� �he library and �hey frec�t?e�t �L:r�er 24 ' I�iti�. I �o no� feel ar� abortio�i facilizy is ZS proper in this location. I feel it is very � LOGAN 8 STYRBICKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 fIRST NATIONAL BANK BLDG. SAINT PAUI, MINNESOTA 55101 291•1095 a.. � 1 ill chosen a:�d i feel a Moral ri�h-t �o s�ea'.•t 2 ou� a�ainst �his . 3 T�1aiv. you. 4 (�pg1aL?se . ) 5 T.I�'��I�i;� OLSCid: iiy na:z� is '..�arlene Olson. 6 � I live at 2120 (inaudible) Avenue . � 7 �nd I ieel t:�at �o have sucii a clinic . 8 �here ::ind o� Ma�ses it just too convenient 9 to have an a�aor�ion done . I thin', i�' s nore 10 than just rzmoving a ,-�ar�. And I i'eel too �1 that a lot of us � perna�s ,�,e �,rere not really 12 ;•:anted ei�rer ��hen t•;e ;��ere inside our :�o�izers . 13 �'1nd I think ihat's no� a very good ar�,ument � . 14 io say tha� jus� �iMply because sonethin� i� i15 no� ;�:anted �o Qe� rid of it. I ju�t t�ronder 16 hoT�T many of us :;rere really ;-;an�:ed 'ou� =�:e are 17 here today. . �$ And i feel �too -- I'm k�nd o� =�rorried 19 �oo for the z"u-�ure. If ,•�e allo;�:= such a setup 20 here no-; I th�n'; ,�re ma�• izave :�a , ny clinics and 21 I jus L ?•rorry about t�ie ��e o-;' �ning that 22 ha��penec� in Cer�a�T here years �go t,•.i-�h the 23 Je-,•rish �;eo�le. I ' d 'na te �o hav� sa;�e��ing 24 li?�e Lhat hap�en if �re r:1a':�e a'cort�an so � 25 con�,rer�i ent. � LOGAN & STYRBICKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NATIONAI BANK BLDG. SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291.1095 � __..�.,._. . __ _._ ..n,._-�, ..., ..,.�.. _....-. .. ....,_ ..__.. . � ._ �... . . . . � 1 (�'lpplaus� . � 2 nr �+�rrn Tr n n,r, � �_ , i�r�..SID�,�;.: 1�0��.�. is �here 2llyaodS� :�:i�o 3 �°�islzzs to bs iieard r-rOL•1 i,hat .�a::, not been 4 heard yet? 5 (i�10 response. ) 6 PR�SIDTiii IIOZ��: Is -there Qnyi�odJ that � � k�ri�iies to be heard _fro:� t.zat nas no-t been 8 hearc; yet? iss. ��rnes. 9 r:�S. �YRi;La: Than�� you� ::s. �resi dent. �� I �;u�t �;ish to r:1al_e a brie� ;•�ord of rebuttal >> to a very e:�otional thin� sor:leone spo'r:e on 12 tr.is side o� the room and say that L'ne 4�.=hole 13 proble� does no-t concern people li!�e r�T:el�, � 14 lii�e Most o� you ��;ho love children, :�,ho tiran� � 15 cnildren, ��,ho nad children b�rr, in �•redloc� 16 a�zd planned fa�ilies . Our public concern is �� the vic�ir�s af unt:anted pregnancy, the vic�i�ns �$ o� ignorance t�rho do not ��no:�r ho•;� ��;o plan a I 19 fa;�ily. �'�nd this is -tne service v;hich Planned 20 Parenthood �rovides. �nd a person �,��iio spo?;e 21 fr�:1 t?zis sid� o�' �he roo:a (indica�ing) 22 indica�ted �rer;� o�enly -tha� �h�-re is onposition 23 ��o an abortion c1?r�ic and i;, snoul�n' t be 24 any�;here: �nd ��is ?ndica-ted very plainly 2S tha� i� r , � you give into this pres.,�re , pass this � LOGAN 8 STYRBtCKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BLDG. SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 . 291•1095 � � 1 re�olu-;;ion, you are or�ly eilcou-raging �ile 2 people �:�ho ,;ere Lrougn�� u� -- (inaudible} -_ 3 rrhe Lher i�t' s Eas-t Side , or ;;es�� ide , IV'or-th, 4 iasi, i�:or�h� Sou-L-n, ar.y-:;here, s:�nerever �;he 5 clinic is p�o2�osed, tne sar.le people ;rho four 6 decad2.:� a�o e,ere �ryino ��o deny� con��raceptive � � insor;l��ion �ragrar� :•,nich ;�ill be ri�ht on the ' $ spo� ��rnere�rer Planned Parentnood plar.s to go. 9 I� is legal. It is needed. 10 Thank you. 11 (tlpplause. ) 12 P?:LSID�i��i :;C2Z:�: :lnybody else tiZat 13 ,�ishes to be :leard? 14 (i��o re�ponse. ) 15 PRESIDui��'i :IGZZA: If no�, I deelare that 16 �ihe public hearing testi�ony portion of this » mee-tin; is closed. I=iay I suggest that if �$ any cody is going to feel a last r�inute i�pulse 19 �o s�eak that you -think a�out it noyv. T:?aar�? 20 ArIT�' JOHP;aJ�?a I'm sorry is I �ake some 21 �ore of your tir�e Uut � ju�t �{an� to say 22 so�:,ethii�; for tne record . '_^his is no� just 23 a clinic issue . 24 P��SI��i�:^ �IOZZ�: T:iaa:�, �,ould you sta.te 25 . your .�4me, plea�e? � LOGAN 8 STYRBICKI , COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NATIONAL BANK BLOG. SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291-1095 1 r � 1 ��iy�; JC�-:�:�Oi;: i::y na:�e is ��nn Joi�n�on. 2 I Iive 4� 317 :•ioodla�.*n. 3 G::? a me�ber of the 3 ��ouse c� �io�e _res':�;;Tteri�n Churcii and :�:y 4 lzus�and is an elder in t.1a� ciiurch. 5 :°'e are ve-ry r�uch oppoaed to �this �acilit . 6 :�nd I ;;�ould li'�.e ��o also say for the record • � �tha�i, three verY prominent r�en��ers of the $ ?io�?se of Hope Presbyterian Ci�urch vrere at ar�e 9 tisi e 'aoard raembers of Planned ParenL'nood. �� '�iley have all since resi�n�d �ince the >> organization decided to do abortion�. 12 (�p�lause . ) 13 PI�:SIJLiY'�' i�Olla: Is there anybody else 14 tha� ;rishes to be r.eard? 15 (No respo:.se . ) 16 COUiiCI�:•�C;,1'1i� �:Ui��i s i.Tr. Cnair�sn� I waul ' » r:love tha� une �ublic hearin� be closed and the �8 coL?ncil r�ove �o o Liier Matters . 19 PRESIDE,v�' i-iOZZA: �irs . Hun�� this lady 20 has not spo�ten yet and I t��ill allo rl her �o do 21 �o. 22 LUCY ��:�IC'.^'�: :'y na::1e is Lucy Elliott.. 23 I live a-� ?776 Pinehurst l�ven�?e . 24 r'�nd I reel an obligaLion as a citizen of - ZS Highland Far�i to go on record as saying that � . LOGAN 8 STYRBICKI COURT R�PORTtNG AGENCY W 856 FIRST NATIONAI BANK BLDG. SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291•1095 1 6 r , 1 I ar:: de�'i�Zi-�ely ag:�nst �he n�rr �roposed L 2 c��r_ic in :'ig'::�and. 3 ( �,�la�?�e . ; 4 ^OS��,iL LU�'=;�,R: :?r. Chai.r:,lan, may I ask 5 a ques-�ion before .�:e go on? 6 �jD.�'STD�i�;°i I�OZZr�: �e� . : � - � P-.O�AZIr LUiiL�: I'd lil.e to a�k -- $ (inaudible) . 9 Tr'R�SID�Py�i' HGZZA: TT.Y's. Bu�le�� iiY'S. �� i�un-t's r�o vioti -- (?naudib].e) . . > > ��a. �U��.:R: (Inaudi�le -- several 12 �eop�e s�ea�:in; a� the �ame tir:_e. ) �3 F::E�ID�i�;`i� ;IOZZA: :,ss . �u�ler� you are � : 14 outi o� order. ,•,e ;�rill call }��e roll on :::�s . � 15 iiu.:t' � z�o�Lion. 16 (^nereupon a roll call �;;as r:ade by tne . » C1e�I� �nd the r�o Lion �:�as carried �8 unani:�ously. ) 19 20 � �; �. 21 . 22 23 24 : 25 , � LOGAN 8 STYRBICKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FIRST NA710NAL BANK BLDG. SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 291•1095 1 � , 1 2 3 �T,/'t��,,-�� n /'t-,�+'�m'}':-.Tn �.�-�r �._rt li�i��.Y-\ N L+�:+�..1..1 J_Vl�iw 4 5 I , �'Ienr� �i . ��ales � do i@2'O�J�r ce-r�i�� that I f� recorded lrl S'(;8:20�yl�C i.ils la�arlY1; .OI�' i1� ��yr �OL?riCl�. ;neeti � 7 or ::'.��' �0 , 197� ir� St. �uul, ::in�e�o-t� . 8 9 I ;ur�ner cer�i:'y •;;�z�-� tre�ea"�ter anc� on �this �� C�u�8 �tl� �OY'E�01ri;� �Y'ariSCx'l�� O'f' Su1� Y'ECOY'C�C'{? Il@�:Clt'�.�, r18S � � '�;:C2i1�^�C^1 i:E'�'�.. 7.21�O ii,�r�C,';'l�"_'•.�.'��.� U11C1�'l :,;;' 'ii7.�"t?C'�.�011� ':iiilC:? 12 $ranccl'T}7� CO'tiS1S�S Oi }i1e �rece�i_z� �,rjF �yP��:;Y'1�i�t1 iO3�,6u . 13 �' 14 I �"ur�'sler cer��'y ��zat said tra :scri�-� o� �uci: � � � � 15 he�ri•r�� is ��ruc ar,d cor�e�� -to �ne C�S"� o:�' _.�r a'tii�:��;;. 16 17 �, �� 18 �' /�` / v/ - �E.�' �� 2l�._--.. , v1e��.n � . �:�ar�s 19 � Co�?�� :epor��er 20 21 DuiG�r',1 �i.1S '7 L'i1 C�.tu� OI v i.iTl� � �.�7�. ZZ 23 24 25 � ! LOGAN 8 STYRBICKI COURT REPORTING AGENCY W 856 FlRST NATIONAL BANK BLDG. SAINT PAUI, MINNESOTA 55101 291•1095 �