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1 WHEREAS, the SigiArt Co., Inc. on behalf of Dauid Wildmo, made appfication to the
2 Heritage Preservation Commission [hereinafter, Commission] pursuant to the provisions of
3 Saint Paul Legisiative Code Chapter 73 for a sign permit for the installation of two signs
4 composed of five inch deep white aluminum channel letters with white acrylic faces mounted to
5 10"- deep aluminum raceways. The white acrylic letters would be internally illuminated by
6 white neon light. The signs would advertise the new Glockenspiel bar and restaurant located in
7 the C.S.P.S. Hall building at 605 West Seventh Street and legally described as set forth in the
8 application on file in Commission File No. 3912. The C.S.P.S. Hall is listed on the National
9 Register ofHistoric Places; and
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WHEREAS, the Commission duly conducted a public hearing on January 24, 200Q after
having provided notice to the affected parties. However, Mr. Wildomo was not present and the
Commission elected to lay the matter over so Mr. Wildmo could appear and answer questions
before the Commissior, rendered a decision; and
F�'HEREAS, on February 24, 2000, a public heariti,g which Mr.Wildmo was able to
attend was convened and, at the conclusion of the public hearing, the Commission moved to
approve the applicanYs rzquest to install the aluminium signage but denied the applicanYs
request to internally illuminaze the signage as reflected in the Commission's Resolution No.
3912, approved March 9. 2000, which is incorporated herein by reference and which contained
the following findings of fact se*!ing forth the Com�nission's reasons far denying the application
to intemally illuminate the sign letters:
The proposed signs are incompatible with the building's historic character for the
following reasons:
A. The signs would be internally illuminated.
B. The proposed location of the two signs-between the first story cornice and the
second story sill course-is cramped and not the historically appropriate location
for storefront signage.
C. The signs would project 15-inches from the building surface to which they would
be attached.
Secondary reasons are 1) the lettering style contributes to the excessively modern
appearance of the signs and 2) the location of four signs near one spot at the corner of this
building would cause a jumbled appearance of signage (the four signs would be the two
proposed signs, the recentiy installed metal Glockenspiel sign, and the neon CSPS Hall
sign).
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2 2. The proposed signs are contrary to the federal Secretary of the Interior's standazds and
3 guidelines for rehabilitation: they are incompatible with azchitectural features to protect
4 historic integrity; they aze not as sunple as possible; they do not fit flush with the existing
5 features of the facade, and they are intemally ilhuiiinated.
7 3. The owner of the establishment has recently installed, with HPC approval, a wrought iron
8 sign projecting from the corner pier and may, in the fixture, install signage on an awning
9 valence. This signage is compatible with the building's historic character.
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4. Some other signage options that would be compatible with the building's historic
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Externally illuminated signs on, or attached to, the first story comice; such signs
could be painted or composed of individual, non-plastic, lettering.
Signs painted on the storefront windows.
Extemally illuminated signage attached to the eastern wall of the building.
In addition, neon signs located on the inside of storefront windows do not require a sign
permit or HPC approval and would have a less adverse impact on the building's historic
chazacter than the proposed internally illuminated signs.
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23 5. The building's preservation program states that the neon "C. S. P. S. Hall" sign located at
24 the comer of the building should be preserved. The existence of this neon sign, which
25 probably dates from the 1940s, does not justify adding contemporary intemally
26 illuminated signs to the building.
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28 �'HEREAS, pursuant to the provisions of Saint Paul Legislative Code § 73.06, David
29 Wil�no, on March 14, 2000, duly filed an appeal of the Commissions determination and
30 requested that a hearing be held before the Saint Paul City Council for the purposes of
31 considering the actions taken by the said Commission; and
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33 WHEREAS, acting pursuant to § 73.06 and upon notice to affected parties a public
34 hearing was duly conducted by the Saint Paul City Council on April 5, 200Q where all interested
35 parties were given an opportunity to be heard; and
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37 'WHEREAS, the Council, having heard the statements made and having considered the
38 application, the report of staff, the record, minutes and resolution of the Commission DOFS
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RESOLVE, to reverse the decision ofthe Heritage Preservation Commission in this
matter based on the following findings of the Council:
Intemally illuminated signage, as opposed to externally illuxninated signage, will not
fundamentally alter the historic character of the C.S.P.S. building.
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2 AND, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that the appeal of David Wildmo be and is
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5 AND, BE IT FINALLY RESOLVED, that the Council Secretary shall mail a copy of
6 this resolution to David Wildmo, the Zoning Administrator and the Heritage Preservation
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Resolution memorializing City Council action taken April 5, 2000, granting the appeal of David Wildmo
" (Glockenspiel Restauraut) to a decision of the Heritage Preservation Commission concerning placement of
intemally ilhuiiinated signage on the C.S.P.S. building at 605 West Seventh Sireet.
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OFFICE OF THE CITY ATTORNEY b�
Clayton M. Rabinson, Jr., Ciry Attorney
CITY OF SAINT PAUL
Norm Coleman, Mayor
June i, 2000
Nancy Anderson
Council Secretary
310 City Halt
15 West Keilogg Blvd.
St. Paul, MN 55102
Re: Appeal by David Wildmo (Glockenspiel Restaurant)
City Council Action bate: Apri15, 2000
Deaz Nancy:
Civi[Division
400 Ciry' Ha[(
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Sainr Paul, Minnesotn 55101
Telephone: 657 2668770
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Enclosed for submittal to the Council on its Council Consent Agenda please find a signed,
original Resolution memorializing the CounciPs decision to grant Mr. Wildmo his appeal from a
decision of the Heritage Preservation Commission concerning the placement of internally
illuminated signage on the C.S.P.S. building located at 605 West Seventh Street.
If you haue any questions, please don't hesitate to contact me.
Very truly yours,
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Peter W. Warner
Assistant City Attorney
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Enclosure
OFFICE OF LICENSE, INSPECTIONS AND
ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION
RobertKessler, Director
CITY OF SAINT PAUL
Norm Coleman, Mayor
LOWRYPROFESSIONAL BUILO7NG
Suite 300
350 St. Peter Street
SairstPaul, Minnesom Si102-I�IO
15 Mazch 2000
Ms. Nancy Anderson
Assistant Secretary to the City Council
310 CiTy Hall
Saint Paul, Minnesota 55102
Dear Ms. Anderson:
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Telephone: 612-266-9090
Facsimile: 672d 66-9099
I would like to request that a public hearing before the City Council be scheduled for Wednesday,
Apri15, 2000 for the following appeal of a Heritage Preservation Commission decision:
Appeilant: David Wildmo
HPC File: #3912
Purpose: Appeal a Heritage Preservation Commission decision to deny approvai of a
sign permit to install rivo internally illuminated signs for the Glockenspiel bar
and restaurant at 605 W. Seventh St.
The Heritage Preservation Commission held a public hearing on this matter, and voted 6- 1 to deny
approval of the requested permit, on February 24, 2000.
This City Council public hearing does not require pubiished notice. Please call me at 266-9078 if you
have any questions.
Sincerely,
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Aaron Rubenstein
Preservation Planner
cc: Kessler & Riddering, LIEP
James Bellus, HPC Chair
Peter Wamer, CAO
David Wildmo
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CITY OF SAINT PAUL
Norm Colemm�, Mayor
24 Mazch 2000
Ms. Nancy Anderson
Assistant Secretary to the City Council
310 City Hall
Saint Paul, Minnesota 55102
OFFICE OF LICENSE, [NSPEC170NS AND
ENVIRONMENIAL PROTECIION
Robe�t Keuler, Director
IAWRYPROFFSSIONAL BUILDING
Sssite 300
350 St Peter Stseet
Sain1 Pau7, Mimlesota SSIO2-I SIO
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Telephone: 611-2669090
Fauimile: 671-1669099
RE: Appeal by David Wildmo of HPC File #3912 City Council Hearing: 5 April 2000
PURPOSE: To consider an appeal of the Heritage Preservation Commission's denial of a sign permit
application to install two intemally illuminated signs at 605 W. Seventh St.
HERITAGE PRESERVATION COMMISSION ACTION: Denial.
SUPPORT None.
OPPOSITION None.
Dear Ms. Anderson:
Mr. David Wildmo, the owner of the Glockenspiel baz and restaurant at 605 W. Seventh St., has
appealed the decision of the Heritage Preservation Commission to deny approval of a sign permit for
rivo internally illuminated signs. The Glockenspiel recently opened in the C.S.P.S. Hall building
which is an individually designated heritage preservation site.
The HPC conducted two public hearings concerning the proposed signs. Mr. Wildmo forgot to attend
the first hearing on January 24, 2000 and the matter was laid over due to unanswered questions. The
second public heazing was heid on February 24, 2000. There was no public testimony at the heazings
aside from Mr. Wildmo and a sign company representative. At the close of the February heazing, the
commission voted 7- 0 to approve an iron sign and 6- i to deny approval of the two proposed
intemally illuminated signs. A resolution formalizing the denial was approved on a 7- 0 vote at the
Mazch 9, 2000 HPC Committee of the Whole meeting. The commission's finding for denial are
stated in the resolution, which is attached. Mr. Wildmo states his grounds for appeal in his
Mazch 14, 20001etter which is also attached.
This appeal is scheduled to be heazd by the City Council on April 5, 2000. I have attached all
pertinent information. Slides of the site will be available at the Council meeting if Councilmembers
wish to view them.
Sincerely, �
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Aazon Rubenstein
Heritage Preservation Planner
Attachments cc: Ciry Councilmembers; Kessler & Riddering, LIEP; Peter Wazner, CAO; D. Wildmo
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GLOCKENSPIEL SIGN APPEAL
TABLE OF CONTENTS
1 Coverletter
3-5 HPC resolution
6-7 Wildrno's letter ofappeal
8-9 Summaries of 1.24.2000 and 2.24.2000 HPC heazings
10-24 Information packet sent to APC members:
10 Cover memo
11 Photograph of CSPS Hall
12 Sign permit applicarion i
13-14 Photo images of building with proposed sign •
15 Sign cross section
16 Photographs of building
17-19 CSPS Hall preservation program, history and significance
20-24 Federal Secretary of the Interiors standazds, and guidelines
for storefront rehabilitation
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CITY OF SAINT PAUL
HERITAGE PRESERVATION COMNIISSION RESOLUTION
F'ILE NUMBER 3912
DATE 9 Mazch 2000
WHEREAS, the Saint Paul Heritage Preservation Commission is authorized by Chapter 73 of the Saint
Paul Legislative Code to review permit applications for exterior alterations, new construction or
demolition on or within designated Heritage Preservation Sites or Heritage Preservation Districts; and
WHEREAS, SignArt Co., Inc. has applied for a sign permit to install two intemally illuminated sig�s for
the Glockenspiel bar and restaurant at 605 W. Seventh St. (signs consist of 5"-deep white aluminum
channel letters with white acrylic faces and white neon inside mounted to 10"-deep aluminum raceways
painted the color of the brick); and
WHEREAS, the Glockenspiel is located in the C. S. P. S. Hall, a three-story, brick structure constructed
in 1887 with extensive remodeling in 1917; the building is historically significant for its use as a Czech
cultural center since its construction; it is listed on the National Register of Historic Places and is an
individually designated heritage preservation site by the City of Saint Paul; and
WHEREAS, the Preservation Program for the C. S. P. S. Hall states, in part, that "the appeazance of the
exterior, particulazly the upper rivo stories, should be maintained in a manner compatible with the 1917
appearance";and
WI�REAS, the Heritage Preservation Commission is obligated by the City's Certified Local
Government contract with the Minnesota Historical Society to "conduct its design review of designated
properties according to the Secretary of the Interior's Standards for Rehabilitation"; and
WHEREAS, the Secretary of the Interior's Standazds for Rehabilitation state that "the historic character
of a property shall be retained and preserved" and that "new additions, exterior alterations, or related new
construction ... shall be compatible with the massing, size, scale, and architectural features to protect the
historic integrity of the property and its environmenP'; and
WI�REAS, the federal Secretary of the Interior's Guidelines for Rehabilitating Historic Buildings,
which elaborate on the federal Secretary's standazds, recommend that "the treatment of secondary
[storefront] design elements, such as awnings or signs, [bej kept as simple as possible. For example,
new signs should fit flush with the existing features of the facade, such as the fascia boazd or comice"
and recommend against "using new illuminated signs; inappropriately scaled signs and logos; signs that
project over the sidewalk mmless they were a characteristic feamre of the historic building; or other types
of signs that obscure, damage, or destroy remaining chazacter-defining features of the historic building";
and
WHEREAS, the Saint Paul Heritage Preservation Commission, based upon the evidence presented at its
February 24, 2000 public heazing on said permit application, made the following findings of fact:
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Her�tage Preservation Commission Resolution
Re: File #3912 / 605 W. 7'" St. Signs
9 Mazch 2000
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The proposed signs aze incompatible with the building's historic character for the following
reasons:
A. The signs would be internally illutninated.
B. The proposed location of the two signs-beriveen the first story comice and the second
story sill course-is cramped and not the historically appropriate location for storefront
signage.
C. The signs would project 15-inches from the building surface to which they would be
attached.
Secondary reasons aze 1) the lettering style contributes to the excessively modem appearance of
the signs and 2) the location of four signs near one spot at the corner of this building would cause
a jumbled appearance of signage (the four signs would be the two proposed signs, the recently
installed metal Glockenspiel sign, and the neon CSPS Aall sign).
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2. The proposed signs aze contrary to the federal Secretary of the Interior's standazds and
guidelines for rehabilitation: they aze incompatible with azchitectural feamres to protect historic
integrity; they aze not as simple as possible; they do not fit flush with the existing features of the
facade, and they aze [intemally] illuminated. �
3. The owner of the establishment has recently installed, with HPC approval, a wrought iron sign
projecting from the corner pier and may, in the future, install signage on an awning valence.
This signage is compatible with the building's historic character.
4. Some other signage options that wouId be compatible with the building's historic character
include:
A. Externally illuminated signs on, or attached to, the first story cornice; such signs could
be painted or composed of individual, non-plastic, lettering.
B. Signs painted on the storefront windows.
C. Eatemally illuminated signage attached to the eastem wall of the building.
In addition, neon signs located on the inside of storefront windows do not require a sign permit
or HPC approval and would have a less adverse impact on the building's historic character than
the proposed intemally illuminated signs.
5. The building's preservation program states that the neon "C. S. P. S. Hall" sign located at the
comer of the building should be preserved. The existence of this neon sign, which probably
dates from the 1940s, does not justify adding contemporary intemally illuminated signs to the
building.
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Heritage Preservation Commission Resolution
Re: File #3912 / 605 W. 7t St. Signs
9 Mazch 2000
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NOW, T'HEREFORE, BE TT RESOLVED, that based on the above findings, the Heritage Preservation
Commission denies approval of a permit for rivo intemally illuminated signs proposed for the
Glockenspiel baz and restaurant at 605 West Seventh Street.
MOVED BY
SECONDED BY
IN FAVOR
AGAINST
ABSTAIN
Younkin
Murphy
Decisions of the Heritage Preservation Commission are final, subject to appeal to the City Council within 14
days by anyone affected by the decision. This resolution does not obviate the need for meeting applicable
building and zoning code requirements, and does not constitute approval for tax credits.
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Crty of St. Paul
O�ce oFLicease and tnspections
Sirite 300
350 St Peter Street
St• Peiil, MN 55102
14 March 2000
Attention:. Mr. Aaron Rnbeascem
Heritage Preservetion pianner
Dear Mr. ltubenstem,
I wouid like to have you forward ary request for an appeai ofthe denisl for 2 signs at 605
West Sevenxh for the GIockenspiel Restatuant.
MY a�ts for appeal are as foUows:
1. We have worlced ctoseIy with the CSPS/Sokal prganizatlon on the style and location
oftfle signs. They I� ogered tfieir tota( support of our proposat.
2. We have worked with District Council9 (Betty Moran) and have their approval and
support.
3 ' We b�'e talked t° 8ll s�uro��€ ��nesses and residences and there aze no
objections, they are m yupport ofow endeavor.
4. The "A" rason for disapproval ofmY si�age was that it was mternally ]it, The CSPS
sign in mternally 1u. lntemaIIy lit ��o back before the year our bnild'mg u�s built.
Our wfiole mtersection has mternaIly lit sigus. .
5. The "B" reason for disapproval ofmy signaga is speciaus, I need a sign by my door so
as not to coafirse automers as to what is my p1a� �d � is the CSPS HaIL
6. The "C' reason for disaFProval ofmy signa8e was tLst the sign woaid project 15
incfies from the bu�dmg, ActuaIly rt �youtd be I2 mches. TLe CSPS sign projects 24
inches &om the comer of the buiid'mg, overhanging the side wellc.
7. T1ee si�n can be put up and taken down with no damage to the buld'mg.
8. The sign w�71 not 9ash, blmk or ia any othcr way be a distraction or amioyance.
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9. The letters are stendud block letters, nar modem , not old world But m hmc with the
era the bu�7d'mg was bw7t.
l0. The signs would �hance tfie bwlding and help show the people of St. Paul the
wondcrfiil diversrty, and vibraucy of our communiry.
11. I have been told that I c�n pot neon � the wmdows. I don't believe tLis space is
appropriate for neon, inside or oui.
12. I was also told I could put up butcher paper signs m tfie wiudaw. At a mce d'mmg
establishment! TACKY! TACKY! TACKY!
t3. The Glockenspiel is at a severe disadvantage. It is at the confluence of West Seventh
Street, Micirigan Street, and Westem Avenue. We are also set back from West
Seventh Sveet &ontage. We are atso visaslly blocked from one side by Coopers
Super Value (who support our sign) aud V�71a Roma on the other side.
IN STJNA4ATION:
1 have created 50 new jobs- with good pay - a 401 K Plan- aad other beaefits. We will he
providing opportunities for both youth and adults for a better firture- from jobs to
mcreased property values. Just as Grand Avenue has done.
We also alwsys use local contractors and suppfiers in order to hetp St. Paul's business
environmeat healthy. In fact, the sign contractor is a St. Paul fum
This business wHl be a destination place for St. Paul and West Sevemh Street. The only
complaint we have had &om customers is fiad'mg the place. It is hard to succeed 'm a
business ifpeople can't find you.
If West Seveath Street is ever to achig�ve its potential as a wonderful busmess and
entertamment corridor, we need to let people know where we are.
Respectfiilly Yours,
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HPC Case Summary:
605 W. Seventh St., SignArt Co., Instali two signs, File #3912
1.24.2000
Rubenstein showed slides of the site (the C.S.P.S. Hall), summarized the case, and mentianed that the
restaucant owner plans to hang a wrought iron sign and lantem fixhue at the comer post at the restaurant
entry.
Steve Seymour, SignArt Co., was present but had nothing to add. The restaurant owner, David Wildmo,
was not present
The public hearing was closed.
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Mr. Murphy moved approval of the sign permit and Mr. Scott seconded.
Ms. Benton: Concemed about the number of signs the restaurant will eventually have.
Mr. Hazgens: Distressed about the proposal. The band where the signage is proposed to be located is not
large enough and is not where signs usually go. Would prefer two signs at the cornet The proposed
signage is not a good solution.
Mr. Lazson: The building's significance is historic and not architectural. Three Glockenspiel signs would
oveiwhelm the CSPS identity; it wouid seem like the Glockenspiel building. Intemal illumination of the
proposed signs may be okay given that the building's significance is his[oric.
Mr. Murphy: Given that we don't know the design of the third sign, we lack adequate information with
which to make a decision and I withdraw the motion to approve.
Errigo and Aazgens said they want to see all the signs at one time and they moved and seconded a �
layover, which passed unanimously. �
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� HPC Case Snmmary: Signage for Glockenspiel bar and restaurant, 605 W. Seventh St., File #3912
� 2.24.2000 Heritage Preservarion Commission Meeting
summary by Aazon Rubenstein
Rubenstein reviewed the case and showed slides of the site.
David Wildmo, the Glockenspiel owner, described the signage he wants and showed a photograph and a
drawing of the iron sign that has been fabricated.
Younkin: Intemally lit signage is contrary to the guidelines. What is the rationale for using it here?
Wildmo: IYs a traditional, classic German sign, as authentic as possible, with no damage to the building.
Buetow: Have you considered putting signs on the cornice? T'hat is the traditional location for signage.
W ildmo: The proposed signs will result in less damage to the building.
The public hearing was closed.
Bellus: Let's divide the issues and start with the iron sign.
Buetow: IYs a great sign—traditional, in keeping with the chazacter ofthe building.
Younkin and Errigo moved and seconded approval of the iron sign; passed 7- 0.
Buetow: The placement and the projection of the proposed intemally illuminated signs is a problem. I
don't have a problem with neon, given the existing CSPS sign.
Benton: Previous establishments in the building had signs painted on the storefront windows.
Younkin and Benton moved and seconded denial of a permit for the proposed internally
illuminated signs.
Younkin: The rationale or fmdings for denial aze inappropriate location, intemal illumination is contrary
� to federal guidelines, and lettering appears modem.
Benton: Agree with Lazson's comments that the lit signage as proposed would appear overwhelming.
Errigo: Will support the motion; a very appropriate sign was just approved.
Wildmo: The signs aze already made and paid for. Can I put up the signs for a one-week probationary
period?
The motion to deny approval of the intemally illuminated signs passed 6-1 {Scott).
Bellus: 1 encourage Mr. Wildmo to work with Mr. Rubenstein on other sign options.
Wildmo: The signs aze already paid for and I will appeal.
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OFFlCE OF LICENSE, INSPECTIONS AND
ENVfAONMENIAL PROTEC170N
Roben Kessler, Drretto�
CITY OF SAINT PAUL
Norm Colemml, Mayor
IAi�RYPROF£SSIONAL BUlLDING
Sarte 300
350 St Perer Sbeet
SninrPau� MinnesvmS5701d510
Telephone: 651-266-9090
Fauimrle: 657 -2669099
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MEMORANDUM
TO: Heritage Preservation Commission
FROM: Aazon Rubenstein /��,
RE: 605 W. 7'� St / File #3912
DATE: 24 January 2000
SignArt Co. has applied for a sign permit to install two signs for the new Glockenspiel restaurant in
the C.S.P.S. Hali buiiding at 605 W. 7'" St (aka 381 Michigan St.). The building is an individually
designated heritage preservation site (local) and is also listed on the National Register of Historic
Places. The C.S.P.S. Hall was built in 1887. In 1917 tfie building was remodeled ea�tensively and a
third story was added to the front part of ttte building. Tfie building's significance is tustoric rather
than azchitectural (see attached history and significance statement).
The applicant, and restaurant owner David Wildmo, propose installing two signs near the corner of
the building, facing south and east. The signs would have individual, internally illuminated letters.
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The signs are 1' lugh by 9.5' long by 10" to 13" deep. They would be located beriveen the
first story comice and the second siory window sills.
L,ettering would be supported by an aluminum raceway, or continuous bo�c, painted the color
of the painted brick. The signs would be mounted to the building using anchors in the mortar
joints between bricks.
Letters would have aluminum cabinets and acrylic or polycarbonate faces. The letters would
be entirely wlute and the neon lighting within the letters would be white.
The restaurant owner also plans to install a wrought iron sign and decorative light fixture mounted to
the first story comer post at the restaurant entrance. He may also, in the future, replace the existing
awning with a new one with the Glockenspiel name on the valence (the small band that hangs down at
the bottom of an awning).
The preservation program for the C.S.P.S. Hall dces not specificaliy mention new signage. It dces
say that "The appearance of the exterior, particulazly the upper two stories, should be maintained in a
manner compatible with the 1917 appearance." The HPC uses the federal Secretary of the Interior's
rehabilitation standards and guidelines for individually designated sites since the preservation
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C,S,P,S. HALL
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Although G.S.P.S. Hall is architecturally "undistinguished," the character
of its 1887/1917 appearance is a visual symool of its historic i.mportance.
The appearance of the exterior, particularly the upper two stories, should
be maintained in a manner compatible with the 1917 appearance. The emblem
below the garaget on the Michigan Street facade and the corner sign should
both be preserved. The Commission offers preliminary consultation with
its Advisory Design Conmmittee £or any exterior remodeling or new signage
on the first story. Redevelopment of the first floor should, if possible,
support the buildings image as a symbol of Czech community history. The
Commission strongly encourages continued use of the building by the .
Czech community, so that a vital "living" link with local cultural history
can be maintained.
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C.S.P.S. HALL
, 381-383 Michigan Street
HIS70RY AND SIGNIFICANCE
The C.S.P.S. Hall, an unpretentious three story brick building on the corner of
Michigan and Western, was built in 1887 for the Czech Lodge of the C.S.P.S.
(Czecho Slovak Protective Society). The building was extensively remodeled in
1917. (The third StOry ddditi0n was built on the front third of the building, the
hall entrance was moved from the west side to the center of the hiichigan Street
side, and the emblem "1887-C.S.P.S. - 1917" was placed below the parapet on the
Michigan Street facade.) Yet its character remains virtually unchanged from
the time it was built. It has been owned continuously by the Czech Lodge since
1887, and the uses of the building remain the same as they were origin.ally.
The upstairs halT serves as a cuiturai center, used for meetings, social and
cultural events, and gymnastics. The first floor is devoted to cortrtnercial
use and has housed a variety of small businesses over the years.
The C.S.P.S. Hall is an undistinguished exampie of a 19th century commercial
building and does not have any particular architectural merit. Placed on the
Nationa] Register of Historic Places in 7977, it is, however, a recognized .
historic site. Its significance is due to its association with late 19th
Century Czech irtenigration and the Czech ethnic and cultural contribution to
the development of thecommunity. Some additional historic significance is
derived from Antonin Dvorak's visit to the hall in 1893, o-rhen an informal
reception was held there in his honor.
A few years ago the future of the C.S.P.S. Hati seemed to be in doubt. Now,
however, the efforts of inembers of the Czech Lodge, the St. Paul Sokol Gymnastic
Society, and others to preserve this symbol of the community's cultural heri-
tage are beginning to show positive results. In the near future, the first
floor will be remodeled to accomodate a new Czech restaurant. A plan for
repairing and preserving the building has been worked out and funding is now
being sought.
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.St� ' PERfOD (IOEt�T(FY)
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[ ONE OF A fEY G00� EXlJiPLES OF TXIS STYLE IN THE C[TY?
t.i IT A Gp00 EXAMPLE OF A CC�T10N STYLE ST(Ll PAEVALEH( IH THE CfTY?
.INPORTANT MORK OF A PROMINENI ARCHITECT OR WISTER BI:IL�ER?
.ltiP�RTAtiT AS PART OF CLUSTER OF RFIATED BUILDINGS IM1 BLOCK FROHTAGE OR STREETSCAPE?
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The C.S.P.S. Hall is not sianificant architecturallv--at least in exterior
design. The inside of the hall is not at alt elegant but does preserve to
a considerable degree the aura of the early twentieth centurv, and could,
without much difficulty, be preserved.
.ASSOCIATED WITH A SINGLE EVEtIT OR SERIES Of EYEGTS OF N0.T10tiAL OR LOCAL 1MPORTANCE (1DENTIFY)
FSSOC[AiED !N A MAJOR WAY YITM THE l[FE OR ACTIVITY OF A SIGNIFICANT PEA'SONALIiY Oi 1lATf0uA� 00. LOCAL IMPORTA;�CE (IDENTIFY)
0.SSOCIATEO WITH A SIGNtFICANT LOCAL GROUP OR DRGANIZATION, INCLUOING SOCIAL OR ETHHIC GROUPS lMPORTANT !N THE SETTLENENT Of
THE C�TY OR ITS PARTS (l0ENT1FY)
century ethnicity in St. Paul. Not all Czechs belonged to C.S.P.S because it
_was antagonistic to religion. But the old Czech ch urch, St. Stanislaus burned
a nd has been replaced--on an adjacent lot--with a new building. This cultural
center--used for meetings, dramatic and mucial presentations, and gymn
displays--has been in continuous use by the same group since 1887. Present
membership is active and most interested to continue using and improving the site.
ThP famnnc hcrh �nm�ncar pnt0^�n �1VOTtak Y � 18 41 - 1904) ln 1893 staygd tn this
neighborhood for a few davs durino his visit to St Paul and attended an informa
reception in his honor in the C.S.P.S. Hall.
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Si li GE��ERALLT YISIBLE TO THE PUBLIC?
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RESOLUTION
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Committee: Date
1 WHEREAS, the SigiArt Co., Inc. on behalf of Dauid Wildmo, made appfication to the
2 Heritage Preservation Commission [hereinafter, Commission] pursuant to the provisions of
3 Saint Paul Legisiative Code Chapter 73 for a sign permit for the installation of two signs
4 composed of five inch deep white aluminum channel letters with white acrylic faces mounted to
5 10"- deep aluminum raceways. The white acrylic letters would be internally illuminated by
6 white neon light. The signs would advertise the new Glockenspiel bar and restaurant located in
7 the C.S.P.S. Hall building at 605 West Seventh Street and legally described as set forth in the
8 application on file in Commission File No. 3912. The C.S.P.S. Hall is listed on the National
9 Register ofHistoric Places; and
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WHEREAS, the Commission duly conducted a public hearing on January 24, 200Q after
having provided notice to the affected parties. However, Mr. Wildomo was not present and the
Commission elected to lay the matter over so Mr. Wildmo could appear and answer questions
before the Commissior, rendered a decision; and
F�'HEREAS, on February 24, 2000, a public heariti,g which Mr.Wildmo was able to
attend was convened and, at the conclusion of the public hearing, the Commission moved to
approve the applicanYs rzquest to install the aluminium signage but denied the applicanYs
request to internally illuminaze the signage as reflected in the Commission's Resolution No.
3912, approved March 9. 2000, which is incorporated herein by reference and which contained
the following findings of fact se*!ing forth the Com�nission's reasons far denying the application
to intemally illuminate the sign letters:
The proposed signs are incompatible with the building's historic character for the
following reasons:
A. The signs would be internally illuminated.
B. The proposed location of the two signs-between the first story cornice and the
second story sill course-is cramped and not the historically appropriate location
for storefront signage.
C. The signs would project 15-inches from the building surface to which they would
be attached.
Secondary reasons are 1) the lettering style contributes to the excessively modern
appearance of the signs and 2) the location of four signs near one spot at the corner of this
building would cause a jumbled appearance of signage (the four signs would be the two
proposed signs, the recentiy installed metal Glockenspiel sign, and the neon CSPS Hall
sign).
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3 guidelines for rehabilitation: they are incompatible with azchitectural features to protect
4 historic integrity; they aze not as sunple as possible; they do not fit flush with the existing
5 features of the facade, and they are intemally ilhuiiinated.
7 3. The owner of the establishment has recently installed, with HPC approval, a wrought iron
8 sign projecting from the corner pier and may, in the fixture, install signage on an awning
9 valence. This signage is compatible with the building's historic character.
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Externally illuminated signs on, or attached to, the first story comice; such signs
could be painted or composed of individual, non-plastic, lettering.
Signs painted on the storefront windows.
Extemally illuminated signage attached to the eastern wall of the building.
In addition, neon signs located on the inside of storefront windows do not require a sign
permit or HPC approval and would have a less adverse impact on the building's historic
chazacter than the proposed internally illuminated signs.
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23 5. The building's preservation program states that the neon "C. S. P. S. Hall" sign located at
24 the comer of the building should be preserved. The existence of this neon sign, which
25 probably dates from the 1940s, does not justify adding contemporary intemally
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28 �'HEREAS, pursuant to the provisions of Saint Paul Legislative Code § 73.06, David
29 Wil�no, on March 14, 2000, duly filed an appeal of the Commissions determination and
30 requested that a hearing be held before the Saint Paul City Council for the purposes of
31 considering the actions taken by the said Commission; and
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34 hearing was duly conducted by the Saint Paul City Council on April 5, 200Q where all interested
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RESOLVE, to reverse the decision ofthe Heritage Preservation Commission in this
matter based on the following findings of the Council:
Intemally illuminated signage, as opposed to externally illuxninated signage, will not
fundamentally alter the historic character of the C.S.P.S. building.
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2 AND, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that the appeal of David Wildmo be and is
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6 this resolution to David Wildmo, the Zoning Administrator and the Heritage Preservation
7 Commission.
ORIGINAL
Requested by Department of:
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Form Appr d by City Attorney
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Approved by Mayor for Submission to Council
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Resolution memorializing City Council action taken April 5, 2000, granting the appeal of David Wildmo
" (Glockenspiel Restauraut) to a decision of the Heritage Preservation Commission concerning placement of
intemally ilhuiiinated signage on the C.S.P.S. building at 605 West Seventh Sireet.
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OFFICE OF THE CITY ATTORNEY b�
Clayton M. Rabinson, Jr., Ciry Attorney
CITY OF SAINT PAUL
Norm Coleman, Mayor
June i, 2000
Nancy Anderson
Council Secretary
310 City Halt
15 West Keilogg Blvd.
St. Paul, MN 55102
Re: Appeal by David Wildmo (Glockenspiel Restaurant)
City Council Action bate: Apri15, 2000
Deaz Nancy:
Civi[Division
400 Ciry' Ha[(
I S West Ketlogg Blvd.
Sainr Paul, Minnesotn 55101
Telephone: 657 2668770
Facsimi[e: 65! 298-i619
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Enclosed for submittal to the Council on its Council Consent Agenda please find a signed,
original Resolution memorializing the CounciPs decision to grant Mr. Wildmo his appeal from a
decision of the Heritage Preservation Commission concerning the placement of internally
illuminated signage on the C.S.P.S. building located at 605 West Seventh Street.
If you haue any questions, please don't hesitate to contact me.
Very truly yours,
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Peter W. Warner
Assistant City Attorney
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Enclosure
OFFICE OF LICENSE, INSPECTIONS AND
ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION
RobertKessler, Director
CITY OF SAINT PAUL
Norm Coleman, Mayor
LOWRYPROFESSIONAL BUILO7NG
Suite 300
350 St. Peter Street
SairstPaul, Minnesom Si102-I�IO
15 Mazch 2000
Ms. Nancy Anderson
Assistant Secretary to the City Council
310 CiTy Hall
Saint Paul, Minnesota 55102
Dear Ms. Anderson:
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Telephone: 612-266-9090
Facsimile: 672d 66-9099
I would like to request that a public hearing before the City Council be scheduled for Wednesday,
Apri15, 2000 for the following appeal of a Heritage Preservation Commission decision:
Appeilant: David Wildmo
HPC File: #3912
Purpose: Appeal a Heritage Preservation Commission decision to deny approvai of a
sign permit to install rivo internally illuminated signs for the Glockenspiel bar
and restaurant at 605 W. Seventh St.
The Heritage Preservation Commission held a public hearing on this matter, and voted 6- 1 to deny
approval of the requested permit, on February 24, 2000.
This City Council public hearing does not require pubiished notice. Please call me at 266-9078 if you
have any questions.
Sincerely,
,d� ��-'� °
Aaron Rubenstein
Preservation Planner
cc: Kessler & Riddering, LIEP
James Bellus, HPC Chair
Peter Wamer, CAO
David Wildmo
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CITY OF SAINT PAUL
Norm Colemm�, Mayor
24 Mazch 2000
Ms. Nancy Anderson
Assistant Secretary to the City Council
310 City Hall
Saint Paul, Minnesota 55102
OFFICE OF LICENSE, [NSPEC170NS AND
ENVIRONMENIAL PROTECIION
Robe�t Keuler, Director
IAWRYPROFFSSIONAL BUILDING
Sssite 300
350 St Peter Stseet
Sain1 Pau7, Mimlesota SSIO2-I SIO
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Telephone: 611-2669090
Fauimile: 671-1669099
RE: Appeal by David Wildmo of HPC File #3912 City Council Hearing: 5 April 2000
PURPOSE: To consider an appeal of the Heritage Preservation Commission's denial of a sign permit
application to install two intemally illuminated signs at 605 W. Seventh St.
HERITAGE PRESERVATION COMMISSION ACTION: Denial.
SUPPORT None.
OPPOSITION None.
Dear Ms. Anderson:
Mr. David Wildmo, the owner of the Glockenspiel baz and restaurant at 605 W. Seventh St., has
appealed the decision of the Heritage Preservation Commission to deny approval of a sign permit for
rivo internally illuminated signs. The Glockenspiel recently opened in the C.S.P.S. Hall building
which is an individually designated heritage preservation site.
The HPC conducted two public hearings concerning the proposed signs. Mr. Wildmo forgot to attend
the first hearing on January 24, 2000 and the matter was laid over due to unanswered questions. The
second public heazing was heid on February 24, 2000. There was no public testimony at the heazings
aside from Mr. Wildmo and a sign company representative. At the close of the February heazing, the
commission voted 7- 0 to approve an iron sign and 6- i to deny approval of the two proposed
intemally illuminated signs. A resolution formalizing the denial was approved on a 7- 0 vote at the
Mazch 9, 2000 HPC Committee of the Whole meeting. The commission's finding for denial are
stated in the resolution, which is attached. Mr. Wildmo states his grounds for appeal in his
Mazch 14, 20001etter which is also attached.
This appeal is scheduled to be heazd by the City Council on April 5, 2000. I have attached all
pertinent information. Slides of the site will be available at the Council meeting if Councilmembers
wish to view them.
Sincerely, �
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Aazon Rubenstein
Heritage Preservation Planner
Attachments cc: Ciry Councilmembers; Kessler & Riddering, LIEP; Peter Wazner, CAO; D. Wildmo
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GLOCKENSPIEL SIGN APPEAL
TABLE OF CONTENTS
1 Coverletter
3-5 HPC resolution
6-7 Wildrno's letter ofappeal
8-9 Summaries of 1.24.2000 and 2.24.2000 HPC heazings
10-24 Information packet sent to APC members:
10 Cover memo
11 Photograph of CSPS Hall
12 Sign permit applicarion i
13-14 Photo images of building with proposed sign •
15 Sign cross section
16 Photographs of building
17-19 CSPS Hall preservation program, history and significance
20-24 Federal Secretary of the Interiors standazds, and guidelines
for storefront rehabilitation
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CITY OF SAINT PAUL
HERITAGE PRESERVATION COMNIISSION RESOLUTION
F'ILE NUMBER 3912
DATE 9 Mazch 2000
WHEREAS, the Saint Paul Heritage Preservation Commission is authorized by Chapter 73 of the Saint
Paul Legislative Code to review permit applications for exterior alterations, new construction or
demolition on or within designated Heritage Preservation Sites or Heritage Preservation Districts; and
WHEREAS, SignArt Co., Inc. has applied for a sign permit to install two intemally illuminated sig�s for
the Glockenspiel bar and restaurant at 605 W. Seventh St. (signs consist of 5"-deep white aluminum
channel letters with white acrylic faces and white neon inside mounted to 10"-deep aluminum raceways
painted the color of the brick); and
WHEREAS, the Glockenspiel is located in the C. S. P. S. Hall, a three-story, brick structure constructed
in 1887 with extensive remodeling in 1917; the building is historically significant for its use as a Czech
cultural center since its construction; it is listed on the National Register of Historic Places and is an
individually designated heritage preservation site by the City of Saint Paul; and
WHEREAS, the Preservation Program for the C. S. P. S. Hall states, in part, that "the appeazance of the
exterior, particulazly the upper rivo stories, should be maintained in a manner compatible with the 1917
appearance";and
WI�REAS, the Heritage Preservation Commission is obligated by the City's Certified Local
Government contract with the Minnesota Historical Society to "conduct its design review of designated
properties according to the Secretary of the Interior's Standards for Rehabilitation"; and
WHEREAS, the Secretary of the Interior's Standazds for Rehabilitation state that "the historic character
of a property shall be retained and preserved" and that "new additions, exterior alterations, or related new
construction ... shall be compatible with the massing, size, scale, and architectural features to protect the
historic integrity of the property and its environmenP'; and
WI�REAS, the federal Secretary of the Interior's Guidelines for Rehabilitating Historic Buildings,
which elaborate on the federal Secretary's standazds, recommend that "the treatment of secondary
[storefront] design elements, such as awnings or signs, [bej kept as simple as possible. For example,
new signs should fit flush with the existing features of the facade, such as the fascia boazd or comice"
and recommend against "using new illuminated signs; inappropriately scaled signs and logos; signs that
project over the sidewalk mmless they were a characteristic feamre of the historic building; or other types
of signs that obscure, damage, or destroy remaining chazacter-defining features of the historic building";
and
WHEREAS, the Saint Paul Heritage Preservation Commission, based upon the evidence presented at its
February 24, 2000 public heazing on said permit application, made the following findings of fact:
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Her�tage Preservation Commission Resolution
Re: File #3912 / 605 W. 7'" St. Signs
9 Mazch 2000
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The proposed signs aze incompatible with the building's historic character for the following
reasons:
A. The signs would be internally illutninated.
B. The proposed location of the two signs-beriveen the first story comice and the second
story sill course-is cramped and not the historically appropriate location for storefront
signage.
C. The signs would project 15-inches from the building surface to which they would be
attached.
Secondary reasons aze 1) the lettering style contributes to the excessively modem appearance of
the signs and 2) the location of four signs near one spot at the corner of this building would cause
a jumbled appearance of signage (the four signs would be the two proposed signs, the recently
installed metal Glockenspiel sign, and the neon CSPS Aall sign).
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2. The proposed signs aze contrary to the federal Secretary of the Interior's standazds and
guidelines for rehabilitation: they aze incompatible with azchitectural feamres to protect historic
integrity; they aze not as simple as possible; they do not fit flush with the existing features of the
facade, and they aze [intemally] illuminated. �
3. The owner of the establishment has recently installed, with HPC approval, a wrought iron sign
projecting from the corner pier and may, in the future, install signage on an awning valence.
This signage is compatible with the building's historic character.
4. Some other signage options that wouId be compatible with the building's historic character
include:
A. Externally illuminated signs on, or attached to, the first story cornice; such signs could
be painted or composed of individual, non-plastic, lettering.
B. Signs painted on the storefront windows.
C. Eatemally illuminated signage attached to the eastem wall of the building.
In addition, neon signs located on the inside of storefront windows do not require a sign permit
or HPC approval and would have a less adverse impact on the building's historic character than
the proposed intemally illuminated signs.
5. The building's preservation program states that the neon "C. S. P. S. Hall" sign located at the
comer of the building should be preserved. The existence of this neon sign, which probably
dates from the 1940s, does not justify adding contemporary intemally illuminated signs to the
building.
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Re: File #3912 / 605 W. 7t St. Signs
9 Mazch 2000
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NOW, T'HEREFORE, BE TT RESOLVED, that based on the above findings, the Heritage Preservation
Commission denies approval of a permit for rivo intemally illuminated signs proposed for the
Glockenspiel baz and restaurant at 605 West Seventh Street.
MOVED BY
SECONDED BY
IN FAVOR
AGAINST
ABSTAIN
Younkin
Murphy
Decisions of the Heritage Preservation Commission are final, subject to appeal to the City Council within 14
days by anyone affected by the decision. This resolution does not obviate the need for meeting applicable
building and zoning code requirements, and does not constitute approval for tax credits.
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Crty of St. Paul
O�ce oFLicease and tnspections
Sirite 300
350 St Peter Street
St• Peiil, MN 55102
14 March 2000
Attention:. Mr. Aaron Rnbeascem
Heritage Preservetion pianner
Dear Mr. ltubenstem,
I wouid like to have you forward ary request for an appeai ofthe denisl for 2 signs at 605
West Sevenxh for the GIockenspiel Restatuant.
MY a�ts for appeal are as foUows:
1. We have worlced ctoseIy with the CSPS/Sokal prganizatlon on the style and location
oftfle signs. They I� ogered tfieir tota( support of our proposat.
2. We have worked with District Council9 (Betty Moran) and have their approval and
support.
3 ' We b�'e talked t° 8ll s�uro��€ ��nesses and residences and there aze no
objections, they are m yupport ofow endeavor.
4. The "A" rason for disapproval ofmY si�age was that it was mternally ]it, The CSPS
sign in mternally 1u. lntemaIIy lit ��o back before the year our bnild'mg u�s built.
Our wfiole mtersection has mternaIly lit sigus. .
5. The "B" reason for disapproval ofmy signaga is speciaus, I need a sign by my door so
as not to coafirse automers as to what is my p1a� �d � is the CSPS HaIL
6. The "C' reason for disaFProval ofmy signa8e was tLst the sign woaid project 15
incfies from the bu�dmg, ActuaIly rt �youtd be I2 mches. TLe CSPS sign projects 24
inches &om the comer of the buiid'mg, overhanging the side wellc.
7. T1ee si�n can be put up and taken down with no damage to the buld'mg.
8. The sign w�71 not 9ash, blmk or ia any othcr way be a distraction or amioyance.
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9. The letters are stendud block letters, nar modem , not old world But m hmc with the
era the bu�7d'mg was bw7t.
l0. The signs would �hance tfie bwlding and help show the people of St. Paul the
wondcrfiil diversrty, and vibraucy of our communiry.
11. I have been told that I c�n pot neon � the wmdows. I don't believe tLis space is
appropriate for neon, inside or oui.
12. I was also told I could put up butcher paper signs m tfie wiudaw. At a mce d'mmg
establishment! TACKY! TACKY! TACKY!
t3. The Glockenspiel is at a severe disadvantage. It is at the confluence of West Seventh
Street, Micirigan Street, and Westem Avenue. We are also set back from West
Seventh Sveet &ontage. We are atso visaslly blocked from one side by Coopers
Super Value (who support our sign) aud V�71a Roma on the other side.
IN STJNA4ATION:
1 have created 50 new jobs- with good pay - a 401 K Plan- aad other beaefits. We will he
providing opportunities for both youth and adults for a better firture- from jobs to
mcreased property values. Just as Grand Avenue has done.
We also alwsys use local contractors and suppfiers in order to hetp St. Paul's business
environmeat healthy. In fact, the sign contractor is a St. Paul fum
This business wHl be a destination place for St. Paul and West Sevemh Street. The only
complaint we have had &om customers is fiad'mg the place. It is hard to succeed 'm a
business ifpeople can't find you.
If West Seveath Street is ever to achig�ve its potential as a wonderful busmess and
entertamment corridor, we need to let people know where we are.
Respectfiilly Yours,
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HPC Case Summary:
605 W. Seventh St., SignArt Co., Instali two signs, File #3912
1.24.2000
Rubenstein showed slides of the site (the C.S.P.S. Hall), summarized the case, and mentianed that the
restaucant owner plans to hang a wrought iron sign and lantem fixhue at the comer post at the restaurant
entry.
Steve Seymour, SignArt Co., was present but had nothing to add. The restaurant owner, David Wildmo,
was not present
The public hearing was closed.
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Mr. Murphy moved approval of the sign permit and Mr. Scott seconded.
Ms. Benton: Concemed about the number of signs the restaurant will eventually have.
Mr. Hazgens: Distressed about the proposal. The band where the signage is proposed to be located is not
large enough and is not where signs usually go. Would prefer two signs at the cornet The proposed
signage is not a good solution.
Mr. Lazson: The building's significance is historic and not architectural. Three Glockenspiel signs would
oveiwhelm the CSPS identity; it wouid seem like the Glockenspiel building. Intemal illumination of the
proposed signs may be okay given that the building's significance is his[oric.
Mr. Murphy: Given that we don't know the design of the third sign, we lack adequate information with
which to make a decision and I withdraw the motion to approve.
Errigo and Aazgens said they want to see all the signs at one time and they moved and seconded a �
layover, which passed unanimously. �
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� 2.24.2000 Heritage Preservarion Commission Meeting
summary by Aazon Rubenstein
Rubenstein reviewed the case and showed slides of the site.
David Wildmo, the Glockenspiel owner, described the signage he wants and showed a photograph and a
drawing of the iron sign that has been fabricated.
Younkin: Intemally lit signage is contrary to the guidelines. What is the rationale for using it here?
Wildmo: IYs a traditional, classic German sign, as authentic as possible, with no damage to the building.
Buetow: Have you considered putting signs on the cornice? T'hat is the traditional location for signage.
W ildmo: The proposed signs will result in less damage to the building.
The public hearing was closed.
Bellus: Let's divide the issues and start with the iron sign.
Buetow: IYs a great sign—traditional, in keeping with the chazacter ofthe building.
Younkin and Errigo moved and seconded approval of the iron sign; passed 7- 0.
Buetow: The placement and the projection of the proposed intemally illuminated signs is a problem. I
don't have a problem with neon, given the existing CSPS sign.
Benton: Previous establishments in the building had signs painted on the storefront windows.
Younkin and Benton moved and seconded denial of a permit for the proposed internally
illuminated signs.
Younkin: The rationale or fmdings for denial aze inappropriate location, intemal illumination is contrary
� to federal guidelines, and lettering appears modem.
Benton: Agree with Lazson's comments that the lit signage as proposed would appear overwhelming.
Errigo: Will support the motion; a very appropriate sign was just approved.
Wildmo: The signs aze already made and paid for. Can I put up the signs for a one-week probationary
period?
The motion to deny approval of the intemally illuminated signs passed 6-1 {Scott).
Bellus: 1 encourage Mr. Wildmo to work with Mr. Rubenstein on other sign options.
Wildmo: The signs aze already paid for and I will appeal.
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OFFlCE OF LICENSE, INSPECTIONS AND
ENVfAONMENIAL PROTEC170N
Roben Kessler, Drretto�
CITY OF SAINT PAUL
Norm Colemml, Mayor
IAi�RYPROF£SSIONAL BUlLDING
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350 St Perer Sbeet
SninrPau� MinnesvmS5701d510
Telephone: 651-266-9090
Fauimrle: 657 -2669099
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TO: Heritage Preservation Commission
FROM: Aazon Rubenstein /��,
RE: 605 W. 7'� St / File #3912
DATE: 24 January 2000
SignArt Co. has applied for a sign permit to install two signs for the new Glockenspiel restaurant in
the C.S.P.S. Hali buiiding at 605 W. 7'" St (aka 381 Michigan St.). The building is an individually
designated heritage preservation site (local) and is also listed on the National Register of Historic
Places. The C.S.P.S. Hall was built in 1887. In 1917 tfie building was remodeled ea�tensively and a
third story was added to the front part of ttte building. Tfie building's significance is tustoric rather
than azchitectural (see attached history and significance statement).
The applicant, and restaurant owner David Wildmo, propose installing two signs near the corner of
the building, facing south and east. The signs would have individual, internally illuminated letters.
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first story comice and the second siory window sills.
L,ettering would be supported by an aluminum raceway, or continuous bo�c, painted the color
of the painted brick. The signs would be mounted to the building using anchors in the mortar
joints between bricks.
Letters would have aluminum cabinets and acrylic or polycarbonate faces. The letters would
be entirely wlute and the neon lighting within the letters would be white.
The restaurant owner also plans to install a wrought iron sign and decorative light fixture mounted to
the first story comer post at the restaurant entrance. He may also, in the future, replace the existing
awning with a new one with the Glockenspiel name on the valence (the small band that hangs down at
the bottom of an awning).
The preservation program for the C.S.P.S. Hall dces not specificaliy mention new signage. It dces
say that "The appearance of the exterior, particulazly the upper two stories, should be maintained in a
manner compatible with the 1917 appearance." The HPC uses the federal Secretary of the Interior's
rehabilitation standards and guidelines for individually designated sites since the preservation
programs for the individual sites do not contain detailed guidelines. Relevant portions of the federal
standazds and guidelines are attached. The federal guidelines recommend not using new illuminated
signs.
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Although G.S.P.S. Hall is architecturally "undistinguished," the character
of its 1887/1917 appearance is a visual symool of its historic i.mportance.
The appearance of the exterior, particularly the upper two stories, should
be maintained in a manner compatible with the 1917 appearance. The emblem
below the garaget on the Michigan Street facade and the corner sign should
both be preserved. The Commission offers preliminary consultation with
its Advisory Design Conmmittee £or any exterior remodeling or new signage
on the first story. Redevelopment of the first floor should, if possible,
support the buildings image as a symbol of Czech community history. The
Commission strongly encourages continued use of the building by the .
Czech community, so that a vital "living" link with local cultural history
can be maintained.
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C.S.P.S. HALL
, 381-383 Michigan Street
HIS70RY AND SIGNIFICANCE
The C.S.P.S. Hall, an unpretentious three story brick building on the corner of
Michigan and Western, was built in 1887 for the Czech Lodge of the C.S.P.S.
(Czecho Slovak Protective Society). The building was extensively remodeled in
1917. (The third StOry ddditi0n was built on the front third of the building, the
hall entrance was moved from the west side to the center of the hiichigan Street
side, and the emblem "1887-C.S.P.S. - 1917" was placed below the parapet on the
Michigan Street facade.) Yet its character remains virtually unchanged from
the time it was built. It has been owned continuously by the Czech Lodge since
1887, and the uses of the building remain the same as they were origin.ally.
The upstairs halT serves as a cuiturai center, used for meetings, social and
cultural events, and gymnastics. The first floor is devoted to cortrtnercial
use and has housed a variety of small businesses over the years.
The C.S.P.S. Hall is an undistinguished exampie of a 19th century commercial
building and does not have any particular architectural merit. Placed on the
Nationa] Register of Historic Places in 7977, it is, however, a recognized .
historic site. Its significance is due to its association with late 19th
Century Czech irtenigration and the Czech ethnic and cultural contribution to
the development of thecommunity. Some additional historic significance is
derived from Antonin Dvorak's visit to the hall in 1893, o-rhen an informal
reception was held there in his honor.
A few years ago the future of the C.S.P.S. Hati seemed to be in doubt. Now,
however, the efforts of inembers of the Czech Lodge, the St. Paul Sokol Gymnastic
Society, and others to preserve this symbol of the community's cultural heri-
tage are beginning to show positive results. In the near future, the first
floor will be remodeled to accomodate a new Czech restaurant. A plan for
repairing and preserving the building has been worked out and funding is now
being sought.
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[ ONE OF A fEY G00� EXlJiPLES OF TXIS STYLE IN THE C[TY?
t.i IT A Gp00 EXAMPLE OF A CC�T10N STYLE ST(Ll PAEVALEH( IH THE CfTY?
.INPORTANT MORK OF A PROMINENI ARCHITECT OR WISTER BI:IL�ER?
.ltiP�RTAtiT AS PART OF CLUSTER OF RFIATED BUILDINGS IM1 BLOCK FROHTAGE OR STREETSCAPE?
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The C.S.P.S. Hall is not sianificant architecturallv--at least in exterior
design. The inside of the hall is not at alt elegant but does preserve to
a considerable degree the aura of the early twentieth centurv, and could,
without much difficulty, be preserved.
.ASSOCIATED WITH A SINGLE EVEtIT OR SERIES Of EYEGTS OF N0.T10tiAL OR LOCAL 1MPORTANCE (1DENTIFY)
FSSOC[AiED !N A MAJOR WAY YITM THE l[FE OR ACTIVITY OF A SIGNIFICANT PEA'SONALIiY Oi 1lATf0uA� 00. LOCAL IMPORTA;�CE (IDENTIFY)
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THE C�TY OR ITS PARTS (l0ENT1FY)
century ethnicity in St. Paul. Not all Czechs belonged to C.S.P.S because it
_was antagonistic to religion. But the old Czech ch urch, St. Stanislaus burned
a nd has been replaced--on an adjacent lot--with a new building. This cultural
center--used for meetings, dramatic and mucial presentations, and gymn
displays--has been in continuous use by the same group since 1887. Present
membership is active and most interested to continue using and improving the site.
ThP famnnc hcrh �nm�ncar pnt0^�n �1VOTtak Y � 18 41 - 1904) ln 1893 staygd tn this
neighborhood for a few davs durino his visit to St Paul and attended an informa
reception in his honor in the C.S.P.S. Hall.
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Committee: Date
1 WHEREAS, the SigiArt Co., Inc. on behalf of Dauid Wildmo, made appfication to the
2 Heritage Preservation Commission [hereinafter, Commission] pursuant to the provisions of
3 Saint Paul Legisiative Code Chapter 73 for a sign permit for the installation of two signs
4 composed of five inch deep white aluminum channel letters with white acrylic faces mounted to
5 10"- deep aluminum raceways. The white acrylic letters would be internally illuminated by
6 white neon light. The signs would advertise the new Glockenspiel bar and restaurant located in
7 the C.S.P.S. Hall building at 605 West Seventh Street and legally described as set forth in the
8 application on file in Commission File No. 3912. The C.S.P.S. Hall is listed on the National
9 Register ofHistoric Places; and
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WHEREAS, the Commission duly conducted a public hearing on January 24, 200Q after
having provided notice to the affected parties. However, Mr. Wildomo was not present and the
Commission elected to lay the matter over so Mr. Wildmo could appear and answer questions
before the Commissior, rendered a decision; and
F�'HEREAS, on February 24, 2000, a public heariti,g which Mr.Wildmo was able to
attend was convened and, at the conclusion of the public hearing, the Commission moved to
approve the applicanYs rzquest to install the aluminium signage but denied the applicanYs
request to internally illuminaze the signage as reflected in the Commission's Resolution No.
3912, approved March 9. 2000, which is incorporated herein by reference and which contained
the following findings of fact se*!ing forth the Com�nission's reasons far denying the application
to intemally illuminate the sign letters:
The proposed signs are incompatible with the building's historic character for the
following reasons:
A. The signs would be internally illuminated.
B. The proposed location of the two signs-between the first story cornice and the
second story sill course-is cramped and not the historically appropriate location
for storefront signage.
C. The signs would project 15-inches from the building surface to which they would
be attached.
Secondary reasons are 1) the lettering style contributes to the excessively modern
appearance of the signs and 2) the location of four signs near one spot at the corner of this
building would cause a jumbled appearance of signage (the four signs would be the two
proposed signs, the recentiy installed metal Glockenspiel sign, and the neon CSPS Hall
sign).
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3 guidelines for rehabilitation: they are incompatible with azchitectural features to protect
4 historic integrity; they aze not as sunple as possible; they do not fit flush with the existing
5 features of the facade, and they are intemally ilhuiiinated.
7 3. The owner of the establishment has recently installed, with HPC approval, a wrought iron
8 sign projecting from the corner pier and may, in the fixture, install signage on an awning
9 valence. This signage is compatible with the building's historic character.
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could be painted or composed of individual, non-plastic, lettering.
Signs painted on the storefront windows.
Extemally illuminated signage attached to the eastern wall of the building.
In addition, neon signs located on the inside of storefront windows do not require a sign
permit or HPC approval and would have a less adverse impact on the building's historic
chazacter than the proposed internally illuminated signs.
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23 5. The building's preservation program states that the neon "C. S. P. S. Hall" sign located at
24 the comer of the building should be preserved. The existence of this neon sign, which
25 probably dates from the 1940s, does not justify adding contemporary intemally
26 illuminated signs to the building.
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29 Wil�no, on March 14, 2000, duly filed an appeal of the Commissions determination and
30 requested that a hearing be held before the Saint Paul City Council for the purposes of
31 considering the actions taken by the said Commission; and
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34 hearing was duly conducted by the Saint Paul City Council on April 5, 200Q where all interested
35 parties were given an opportunity to be heard; and
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38 application, the report of staff, the record, minutes and resolution of the Commission DOFS
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RESOLVE, to reverse the decision ofthe Heritage Preservation Commission in this
matter based on the following findings of the Council:
Intemally illuminated signage, as opposed to externally illuxninated signage, will not
fundamentally alter the historic character of the C.S.P.S. building.
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2 AND, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that the appeal of David Wildmo be and is
3 hereby granted; and
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6 this resolution to David Wildmo, the Zoning Administrator and the Heritage Preservation
7 Commission.
ORIGINAL
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Resolution memorializing City Council action taken April 5, 2000, granting the appeal of David Wildmo
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intemally ilhuiiinated signage on the C.S.P.S. building at 605 West Seventh Sireet.
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OFFICE OF THE CITY ATTORNEY b�
Clayton M. Rabinson, Jr., Ciry Attorney
CITY OF SAINT PAUL
Norm Coleman, Mayor
June i, 2000
Nancy Anderson
Council Secretary
310 City Halt
15 West Keilogg Blvd.
St. Paul, MN 55102
Re: Appeal by David Wildmo (Glockenspiel Restaurant)
City Council Action bate: Apri15, 2000
Deaz Nancy:
Civi[Division
400 Ciry' Ha[(
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Sainr Paul, Minnesotn 55101
Telephone: 657 2668770
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Enclosed for submittal to the Council on its Council Consent Agenda please find a signed,
original Resolution memorializing the CounciPs decision to grant Mr. Wildmo his appeal from a
decision of the Heritage Preservation Commission concerning the placement of internally
illuminated signage on the C.S.P.S. building located at 605 West Seventh Street.
If you haue any questions, please don't hesitate to contact me.
Very truly yours,
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Peter W. Warner
Assistant City Attorney
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Enclosure
OFFICE OF LICENSE, INSPECTIONS AND
ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION
RobertKessler, Director
CITY OF SAINT PAUL
Norm Coleman, Mayor
LOWRYPROFESSIONAL BUILO7NG
Suite 300
350 St. Peter Street
SairstPaul, Minnesom Si102-I�IO
15 Mazch 2000
Ms. Nancy Anderson
Assistant Secretary to the City Council
310 CiTy Hall
Saint Paul, Minnesota 55102
Dear Ms. Anderson:
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Telephone: 612-266-9090
Facsimile: 672d 66-9099
I would like to request that a public hearing before the City Council be scheduled for Wednesday,
Apri15, 2000 for the following appeal of a Heritage Preservation Commission decision:
Appeilant: David Wildmo
HPC File: #3912
Purpose: Appeal a Heritage Preservation Commission decision to deny approvai of a
sign permit to install rivo internally illuminated signs for the Glockenspiel bar
and restaurant at 605 W. Seventh St.
The Heritage Preservation Commission held a public hearing on this matter, and voted 6- 1 to deny
approval of the requested permit, on February 24, 2000.
This City Council public hearing does not require pubiished notice. Please call me at 266-9078 if you
have any questions.
Sincerely,
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Aaron Rubenstein
Preservation Planner
cc: Kessler & Riddering, LIEP
James Bellus, HPC Chair
Peter Wamer, CAO
David Wildmo
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CITY OF SAINT PAUL
Norm Colemm�, Mayor
24 Mazch 2000
Ms. Nancy Anderson
Assistant Secretary to the City Council
310 City Hall
Saint Paul, Minnesota 55102
OFFICE OF LICENSE, [NSPEC170NS AND
ENVIRONMENIAL PROTECIION
Robe�t Keuler, Director
IAWRYPROFFSSIONAL BUILDING
Sssite 300
350 St Peter Stseet
Sain1 Pau7, Mimlesota SSIO2-I SIO
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Telephone: 611-2669090
Fauimile: 671-1669099
RE: Appeal by David Wildmo of HPC File #3912 City Council Hearing: 5 April 2000
PURPOSE: To consider an appeal of the Heritage Preservation Commission's denial of a sign permit
application to install two intemally illuminated signs at 605 W. Seventh St.
HERITAGE PRESERVATION COMMISSION ACTION: Denial.
SUPPORT None.
OPPOSITION None.
Dear Ms. Anderson:
Mr. David Wildmo, the owner of the Glockenspiel baz and restaurant at 605 W. Seventh St., has
appealed the decision of the Heritage Preservation Commission to deny approval of a sign permit for
rivo internally illuminated signs. The Glockenspiel recently opened in the C.S.P.S. Hall building
which is an individually designated heritage preservation site.
The HPC conducted two public hearings concerning the proposed signs. Mr. Wildmo forgot to attend
the first hearing on January 24, 2000 and the matter was laid over due to unanswered questions. The
second public heazing was heid on February 24, 2000. There was no public testimony at the heazings
aside from Mr. Wildmo and a sign company representative. At the close of the February heazing, the
commission voted 7- 0 to approve an iron sign and 6- i to deny approval of the two proposed
intemally illuminated signs. A resolution formalizing the denial was approved on a 7- 0 vote at the
Mazch 9, 2000 HPC Committee of the Whole meeting. The commission's finding for denial are
stated in the resolution, which is attached. Mr. Wildmo states his grounds for appeal in his
Mazch 14, 20001etter which is also attached.
This appeal is scheduled to be heazd by the City Council on April 5, 2000. I have attached all
pertinent information. Slides of the site will be available at the Council meeting if Councilmembers
wish to view them.
Sincerely, �
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Aazon Rubenstein
Heritage Preservation Planner
Attachments cc: Ciry Councilmembers; Kessler & Riddering, LIEP; Peter Wazner, CAO; D. Wildmo
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GLOCKENSPIEL SIGN APPEAL
TABLE OF CONTENTS
1 Coverletter
3-5 HPC resolution
6-7 Wildrno's letter ofappeal
8-9 Summaries of 1.24.2000 and 2.24.2000 HPC heazings
10-24 Information packet sent to APC members:
10 Cover memo
11 Photograph of CSPS Hall
12 Sign permit applicarion i
13-14 Photo images of building with proposed sign •
15 Sign cross section
16 Photographs of building
17-19 CSPS Hall preservation program, history and significance
20-24 Federal Secretary of the Interiors standazds, and guidelines
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CITY OF SAINT PAUL
HERITAGE PRESERVATION COMNIISSION RESOLUTION
F'ILE NUMBER 3912
DATE 9 Mazch 2000
WHEREAS, the Saint Paul Heritage Preservation Commission is authorized by Chapter 73 of the Saint
Paul Legislative Code to review permit applications for exterior alterations, new construction or
demolition on or within designated Heritage Preservation Sites or Heritage Preservation Districts; and
WHEREAS, SignArt Co., Inc. has applied for a sign permit to install two intemally illuminated sig�s for
the Glockenspiel bar and restaurant at 605 W. Seventh St. (signs consist of 5"-deep white aluminum
channel letters with white acrylic faces and white neon inside mounted to 10"-deep aluminum raceways
painted the color of the brick); and
WHEREAS, the Glockenspiel is located in the C. S. P. S. Hall, a three-story, brick structure constructed
in 1887 with extensive remodeling in 1917; the building is historically significant for its use as a Czech
cultural center since its construction; it is listed on the National Register of Historic Places and is an
individually designated heritage preservation site by the City of Saint Paul; and
WHEREAS, the Preservation Program for the C. S. P. S. Hall states, in part, that "the appeazance of the
exterior, particulazly the upper rivo stories, should be maintained in a manner compatible with the 1917
appearance";and
WI�REAS, the Heritage Preservation Commission is obligated by the City's Certified Local
Government contract with the Minnesota Historical Society to "conduct its design review of designated
properties according to the Secretary of the Interior's Standards for Rehabilitation"; and
WHEREAS, the Secretary of the Interior's Standazds for Rehabilitation state that "the historic character
of a property shall be retained and preserved" and that "new additions, exterior alterations, or related new
construction ... shall be compatible with the massing, size, scale, and architectural features to protect the
historic integrity of the property and its environmenP'; and
WI�REAS, the federal Secretary of the Interior's Guidelines for Rehabilitating Historic Buildings,
which elaborate on the federal Secretary's standazds, recommend that "the treatment of secondary
[storefront] design elements, such as awnings or signs, [bej kept as simple as possible. For example,
new signs should fit flush with the existing features of the facade, such as the fascia boazd or comice"
and recommend against "using new illuminated signs; inappropriately scaled signs and logos; signs that
project over the sidewalk mmless they were a characteristic feamre of the historic building; or other types
of signs that obscure, damage, or destroy remaining chazacter-defining features of the historic building";
and
WHEREAS, the Saint Paul Heritage Preservation Commission, based upon the evidence presented at its
February 24, 2000 public heazing on said permit application, made the following findings of fact:
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Her�tage Preservation Commission Resolution
Re: File #3912 / 605 W. 7'" St. Signs
9 Mazch 2000
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The proposed signs aze incompatible with the building's historic character for the following
reasons:
A. The signs would be internally illutninated.
B. The proposed location of the two signs-beriveen the first story comice and the second
story sill course-is cramped and not the historically appropriate location for storefront
signage.
C. The signs would project 15-inches from the building surface to which they would be
attached.
Secondary reasons aze 1) the lettering style contributes to the excessively modem appearance of
the signs and 2) the location of four signs near one spot at the corner of this building would cause
a jumbled appearance of signage (the four signs would be the two proposed signs, the recently
installed metal Glockenspiel sign, and the neon CSPS Aall sign).
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2. The proposed signs aze contrary to the federal Secretary of the Interior's standazds and
guidelines for rehabilitation: they aze incompatible with azchitectural feamres to protect historic
integrity; they aze not as simple as possible; they do not fit flush with the existing features of the
facade, and they aze [intemally] illuminated. �
3. The owner of the establishment has recently installed, with HPC approval, a wrought iron sign
projecting from the corner pier and may, in the future, install signage on an awning valence.
This signage is compatible with the building's historic character.
4. Some other signage options that wouId be compatible with the building's historic character
include:
A. Externally illuminated signs on, or attached to, the first story cornice; such signs could
be painted or composed of individual, non-plastic, lettering.
B. Signs painted on the storefront windows.
C. Eatemally illuminated signage attached to the eastem wall of the building.
In addition, neon signs located on the inside of storefront windows do not require a sign permit
or HPC approval and would have a less adverse impact on the building's historic character than
the proposed intemally illuminated signs.
5. The building's preservation program states that the neon "C. S. P. S. Hall" sign located at the
comer of the building should be preserved. The existence of this neon sign, which probably
dates from the 1940s, does not justify adding contemporary intemally illuminated signs to the
building.
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Re: File #3912 / 605 W. 7t St. Signs
9 Mazch 2000
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NOW, T'HEREFORE, BE TT RESOLVED, that based on the above findings, the Heritage Preservation
Commission denies approval of a permit for rivo intemally illuminated signs proposed for the
Glockenspiel baz and restaurant at 605 West Seventh Street.
MOVED BY
SECONDED BY
IN FAVOR
AGAINST
ABSTAIN
Younkin
Murphy
Decisions of the Heritage Preservation Commission are final, subject to appeal to the City Council within 14
days by anyone affected by the decision. This resolution does not obviate the need for meeting applicable
building and zoning code requirements, and does not constitute approval for tax credits.
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Crty of St. Paul
O�ce oFLicease and tnspections
Sirite 300
350 St Peter Street
St• Peiil, MN 55102
14 March 2000
Attention:. Mr. Aaron Rnbeascem
Heritage Preservetion pianner
Dear Mr. ltubenstem,
I wouid like to have you forward ary request for an appeai ofthe denisl for 2 signs at 605
West Sevenxh for the GIockenspiel Restatuant.
MY a�ts for appeal are as foUows:
1. We have worlced ctoseIy with the CSPS/Sokal prganizatlon on the style and location
oftfle signs. They I� ogered tfieir tota( support of our proposat.
2. We have worked with District Council9 (Betty Moran) and have their approval and
support.
3 ' We b�'e talked t° 8ll s�uro��€ ��nesses and residences and there aze no
objections, they are m yupport ofow endeavor.
4. The "A" rason for disapproval ofmY si�age was that it was mternally ]it, The CSPS
sign in mternally 1u. lntemaIIy lit ��o back before the year our bnild'mg u�s built.
Our wfiole mtersection has mternaIly lit sigus. .
5. The "B" reason for disapproval ofmy signaga is speciaus, I need a sign by my door so
as not to coafirse automers as to what is my p1a� �d � is the CSPS HaIL
6. The "C' reason for disaFProval ofmy signa8e was tLst the sign woaid project 15
incfies from the bu�dmg, ActuaIly rt �youtd be I2 mches. TLe CSPS sign projects 24
inches &om the comer of the buiid'mg, overhanging the side wellc.
7. T1ee si�n can be put up and taken down with no damage to the buld'mg.
8. The sign w�71 not 9ash, blmk or ia any othcr way be a distraction or amioyance.
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9. The letters are stendud block letters, nar modem , not old world But m hmc with the
era the bu�7d'mg was bw7t.
l0. The signs would �hance tfie bwlding and help show the people of St. Paul the
wondcrfiil diversrty, and vibraucy of our communiry.
11. I have been told that I c�n pot neon � the wmdows. I don't believe tLis space is
appropriate for neon, inside or oui.
12. I was also told I could put up butcher paper signs m tfie wiudaw. At a mce d'mmg
establishment! TACKY! TACKY! TACKY!
t3. The Glockenspiel is at a severe disadvantage. It is at the confluence of West Seventh
Street, Micirigan Street, and Westem Avenue. We are also set back from West
Seventh Sveet &ontage. We are atso visaslly blocked from one side by Coopers
Super Value (who support our sign) aud V�71a Roma on the other side.
IN STJNA4ATION:
1 have created 50 new jobs- with good pay - a 401 K Plan- aad other beaefits. We will he
providing opportunities for both youth and adults for a better firture- from jobs to
mcreased property values. Just as Grand Avenue has done.
We also alwsys use local contractors and suppfiers in order to hetp St. Paul's business
environmeat healthy. In fact, the sign contractor is a St. Paul fum
This business wHl be a destination place for St. Paul and West Sevemh Street. The only
complaint we have had &om customers is fiad'mg the place. It is hard to succeed 'm a
business ifpeople can't find you.
If West Seveath Street is ever to achig�ve its potential as a wonderful busmess and
entertamment corridor, we need to let people know where we are.
Respectfiilly Yours,
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HPC Case Summary:
605 W. Seventh St., SignArt Co., Instali two signs, File #3912
1.24.2000
Rubenstein showed slides of the site (the C.S.P.S. Hall), summarized the case, and mentianed that the
restaucant owner plans to hang a wrought iron sign and lantem fixhue at the comer post at the restaurant
entry.
Steve Seymour, SignArt Co., was present but had nothing to add. The restaurant owner, David Wildmo,
was not present
The public hearing was closed.
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Mr. Murphy moved approval of the sign permit and Mr. Scott seconded.
Ms. Benton: Concemed about the number of signs the restaurant will eventually have.
Mr. Hazgens: Distressed about the proposal. The band where the signage is proposed to be located is not
large enough and is not where signs usually go. Would prefer two signs at the cornet The proposed
signage is not a good solution.
Mr. Lazson: The building's significance is historic and not architectural. Three Glockenspiel signs would
oveiwhelm the CSPS identity; it wouid seem like the Glockenspiel building. Intemal illumination of the
proposed signs may be okay given that the building's significance is his[oric.
Mr. Murphy: Given that we don't know the design of the third sign, we lack adequate information with
which to make a decision and I withdraw the motion to approve.
Errigo and Aazgens said they want to see all the signs at one time and they moved and seconded a �
layover, which passed unanimously. �
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� 2.24.2000 Heritage Preservarion Commission Meeting
summary by Aazon Rubenstein
Rubenstein reviewed the case and showed slides of the site.
David Wildmo, the Glockenspiel owner, described the signage he wants and showed a photograph and a
drawing of the iron sign that has been fabricated.
Younkin: Intemally lit signage is contrary to the guidelines. What is the rationale for using it here?
Wildmo: IYs a traditional, classic German sign, as authentic as possible, with no damage to the building.
Buetow: Have you considered putting signs on the cornice? T'hat is the traditional location for signage.
W ildmo: The proposed signs will result in less damage to the building.
The public hearing was closed.
Bellus: Let's divide the issues and start with the iron sign.
Buetow: IYs a great sign—traditional, in keeping with the chazacter ofthe building.
Younkin and Errigo moved and seconded approval of the iron sign; passed 7- 0.
Buetow: The placement and the projection of the proposed intemally illuminated signs is a problem. I
don't have a problem with neon, given the existing CSPS sign.
Benton: Previous establishments in the building had signs painted on the storefront windows.
Younkin and Benton moved and seconded denial of a permit for the proposed internally
illuminated signs.
Younkin: The rationale or fmdings for denial aze inappropriate location, intemal illumination is contrary
� to federal guidelines, and lettering appears modem.
Benton: Agree with Lazson's comments that the lit signage as proposed would appear overwhelming.
Errigo: Will support the motion; a very appropriate sign was just approved.
Wildmo: The signs aze already made and paid for. Can I put up the signs for a one-week probationary
period?
The motion to deny approval of the intemally illuminated signs passed 6-1 {Scott).
Bellus: 1 encourage Mr. Wildmo to work with Mr. Rubenstein on other sign options.
Wildmo: The signs aze already paid for and I will appeal.
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OFFlCE OF LICENSE, INSPECTIONS AND
ENVfAONMENIAL PROTEC170N
Roben Kessler, Drretto�
CITY OF SAINT PAUL
Norm Colemml, Mayor
IAi�RYPROF£SSIONAL BUlLDING
Sarte 300
350 St Perer Sbeet
SninrPau� MinnesvmS5701d510
Telephone: 651-266-9090
Fauimrle: 657 -2669099
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TO: Heritage Preservation Commission
FROM: Aazon Rubenstein /��,
RE: 605 W. 7'� St / File #3912
DATE: 24 January 2000
SignArt Co. has applied for a sign permit to install two signs for the new Glockenspiel restaurant in
the C.S.P.S. Hali buiiding at 605 W. 7'" St (aka 381 Michigan St.). The building is an individually
designated heritage preservation site (local) and is also listed on the National Register of Historic
Places. The C.S.P.S. Hall was built in 1887. In 1917 tfie building was remodeled ea�tensively and a
third story was added to the front part of ttte building. Tfie building's significance is tustoric rather
than azchitectural (see attached history and significance statement).
The applicant, and restaurant owner David Wildmo, propose installing two signs near the corner of
the building, facing south and east. The signs would have individual, internally illuminated letters.
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The signs are 1' lugh by 9.5' long by 10" to 13" deep. They would be located beriveen the
first story comice and the second siory window sills.
L,ettering would be supported by an aluminum raceway, or continuous bo�c, painted the color
of the painted brick. The signs would be mounted to the building using anchors in the mortar
joints between bricks.
Letters would have aluminum cabinets and acrylic or polycarbonate faces. The letters would
be entirely wlute and the neon lighting within the letters would be white.
The restaurant owner also plans to install a wrought iron sign and decorative light fixture mounted to
the first story comer post at the restaurant entrance. He may also, in the future, replace the existing
awning with a new one with the Glockenspiel name on the valence (the small band that hangs down at
the bottom of an awning).
The preservation program for the C.S.P.S. Hall dces not specificaliy mention new signage. It dces
say that "The appearance of the exterior, particulazly the upper two stories, should be maintained in a
manner compatible with the 1917 appearance." The HPC uses the federal Secretary of the Interior's
rehabilitation standards and guidelines for individually designated sites since the preservation
programs for the individual sites do not contain detailed guidelines. Relevant portions of the federal
standazds and guidelines are attached. The federal guidelines recommend not using new illuminated
signs.
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C,S,P,S. HALL
Preservation ProQram
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Although G.S.P.S. Hall is architecturally "undistinguished," the character
of its 1887/1917 appearance is a visual symool of its historic i.mportance.
The appearance of the exterior, particularly the upper two stories, should
be maintained in a manner compatible with the 1917 appearance. The emblem
below the garaget on the Michigan Street facade and the corner sign should
both be preserved. The Commission offers preliminary consultation with
its Advisory Design Conmmittee £or any exterior remodeling or new signage
on the first story. Redevelopment of the first floor should, if possible,
support the buildings image as a symbol of Czech community history. The
Commission strongly encourages continued use of the building by the .
Czech community, so that a vital "living" link with local cultural history
can be maintained.
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C.S.P.S. HALL
, 381-383 Michigan Street
HIS70RY AND SIGNIFICANCE
The C.S.P.S. Hall, an unpretentious three story brick building on the corner of
Michigan and Western, was built in 1887 for the Czech Lodge of the C.S.P.S.
(Czecho Slovak Protective Society). The building was extensively remodeled in
1917. (The third StOry ddditi0n was built on the front third of the building, the
hall entrance was moved from the west side to the center of the hiichigan Street
side, and the emblem "1887-C.S.P.S. - 1917" was placed below the parapet on the
Michigan Street facade.) Yet its character remains virtually unchanged from
the time it was built. It has been owned continuously by the Czech Lodge since
1887, and the uses of the building remain the same as they were origin.ally.
The upstairs halT serves as a cuiturai center, used for meetings, social and
cultural events, and gymnastics. The first floor is devoted to cortrtnercial
use and has housed a variety of small businesses over the years.
The C.S.P.S. Hall is an undistinguished exampie of a 19th century commercial
building and does not have any particular architectural merit. Placed on the
Nationa] Register of Historic Places in 7977, it is, however, a recognized .
historic site. Its significance is due to its association with late 19th
Century Czech irtenigration and the Czech ethnic and cultural contribution to
the development of thecommunity. Some additional historic significance is
derived from Antonin Dvorak's visit to the hall in 1893, o-rhen an informal
reception was held there in his honor.
A few years ago the future of the C.S.P.S. Hati seemed to be in doubt. Now,
however, the efforts of inembers of the Czech Lodge, the St. Paul Sokol Gymnastic
Society, and others to preserve this symbol of the community's cultural heri-
tage are beginning to show positive results. In the near future, the first
floor will be remodeled to accomodate a new Czech restaurant. A plan for
repairing and preserving the building has been worked out and funding is now
being sought.
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.il�OaTqNT BECAUSE OF RGE (ONE OF OLDEST IM1 CITY)
.St� ' PERfOD (IOEt�T(FY)
a� A llHiptY£ E%AtiPIE OF THIS STYLE ln THE C17Y?
[ ONE OF A fEY G00� EXlJiPLES OF TXIS STYLE IN THE C[TY?
t.i IT A Gp00 EXAMPLE OF A CC�T10N STYLE ST(Ll PAEVALEH( IH THE CfTY?
.INPORTANT MORK OF A PROMINENI ARCHITECT OR WISTER BI:IL�ER?
.ltiP�RTAtiT AS PART OF CLUSTER OF RFIATED BUILDINGS IM1 BLOCK FROHTAGE OR STREETSCAPE?
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The C.S.P.S. Hall is not sianificant architecturallv--at least in exterior
design. The inside of the hall is not at alt elegant but does preserve to
a considerable degree the aura of the early twentieth centurv, and could,
without much difficulty, be preserved.
.ASSOCIATED WITH A SINGLE EVEtIT OR SERIES Of EYEGTS OF N0.T10tiAL OR LOCAL 1MPORTANCE (1DENTIFY)
FSSOC[AiED !N A MAJOR WAY YITM THE l[FE OR ACTIVITY OF A SIGNIFICANT PEA'SONALIiY Oi 1lATf0uA� 00. LOCAL IMPORTA;�CE (IDENTIFY)
0.SSOCIATEO WITH A SIGNtFICANT LOCAL GROUP OR DRGANIZATION, INCLUOING SOCIAL OR ETHHIC GROUPS lMPORTANT !N THE SETTLENENT Of
THE C�TY OR ITS PARTS (l0ENT1FY)
century ethnicity in St. Paul. Not all Czechs belonged to C.S.P.S because it
_was antagonistic to religion. But the old Czech ch urch, St. Stanislaus burned
a nd has been replaced--on an adjacent lot--with a new building. This cultural
center--used for meetings, dramatic and mucial presentations, and gymn
displays--has been in continuous use by the same group since 1887. Present
membership is active and most interested to continue using and improving the site.
ThP famnnc hcrh �nm�ncar pnt0^�n �1VOTtak Y � 18 41 - 1904) ln 1893 staygd tn this
neighborhood for a few davs durino his visit to St Paul and attended an informa
reception in his honor in the C.S.P.S. Hall.
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CCr,)UtlCTIOn NITN SIHILAR STRUCTURES IN THE VICINITY)
Si li GE��ERALLT YISIBLE TO THE PUBLIC?
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