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A RESOLUTION ADOPTING GUIDELINES FOR THE 1984/1985
RESIDENTIAL STREET PAVING PROGRAM (RSPP)
WHEREAS, the Streets & Utilities Task Force of the Saint Paul Long-Range
Capital Improvement Budget Committee has recommended quidelines for the 1984/1985
Residential Street Paving Program; and
WHEREAS, on September 7, 1983, the Public Works Committee of the Council of
the City of Saint Paul reviewed and heard public comment on the proposed guidelines;
and
WHEREAS, in September of 1983 this Council will adopt the 1984 Capital Improvement
Budget including an appropriation for the 1984 RSPP and tentative approval of an
appropriation for the 1985 RSPP; now, therefore, be it
RESOLVED by this Council that said guidelines, hereto attached, are adopted for
use in determining RSPP project priorities for 1984 and 1985.
COUIVCILMEN Requested by Department of:
Yeas p�etcher Nays �
Galles [n Favor
Masanz
Nicosia
Scheibei A gai n s t BY •
Thdsaee'9'�f�S�t� '�
W ilson
Adopted by Council: Date SEP � �+ �953 Form Approv Att ney
Certified.P . d ncil et BY
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/�pproved b avor: Date SEP � 3 1983 App v y for bm' sion to Council
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PUBLISHED OCT 11983
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1984/1985 RESIDENTIAL STREET PAVING PROGRAM (RSPPj
Adopted by City Council September , 1983
Council File
These guidelines were developed for use in
allocating City Council 's 1984 and 1985
Capital Improvement Budget appropriations
to the RSPP
For further information contact:
Budqet Section of the Mayor 's Office
367 City Hall , 298-4323
Daniel Dunford
Street Design Engineer
Department of Public Works
8th Floor City Hall Annex, 292-5750
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1984/1985 RESIDENTIAL STREET PAVING PROGRAM (RSPP) `
GUIDELINES
GOAL
The goal of the Residential Street Paving Program is to improve the
quality of Saint Paul neighborhoods by replacing presently unpaved and
deteriorated residential streets with permanent roadways, properly
graded, surfaced and curbed, and by installing sidewalks and street
lights as appropriate to each area.
PROGRAM DEVELOPMENT
1. ELIGIBLE IMPROVEMENTS AND AREAS
a. Oil-surfaced streets may be included in this program. These
street surfaces have been built up over the years by a yearly
oil and sand treatment (lately, every third year) . Some of
these streets have had curbing installed on them.
b. Paved streets in deteriorated condition may be included in
this program.
c. Unimproved residential streets which are not assessable under
current policy may be included in this program. These streets
are generally short blocks abutting the long sides of corner
lots, which, under city policy, are not assessed for the first
125 feet of the long side frontage.
d. Only streets in which utilities are complete and adequate or
streets in which utilities will be installed as part of the
improvement will be included in the proqram. The cost of
utilities other than street lighting, except spot
reconstruction of drainage facilities, will not be part of the
program funding.
e. Areas shall be established to obtain maximum effect and
efficient construction. Cost should be $150,000 up to an
absolute maximum of $500,000.
f. Any group or individual may submit proposals through the
appropriate District Council for consideration. However , only
the top two proposal of each District Council will be reviewed
by the Streets and Utilities Task Force of the CIB Committee.
� Additionally, the Streets and Utilities Task Force will review
up to four proposals from the Department of Public Works.
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1984/1985 RSPP Guidelines _2_
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2. SELECTION CRITERTA
a. The recommendations of the appropriate distri�ct council and
consistency with a district plan will be qiven consideration.
b. Concentration of improvements may significantly strengthen the
total impact. Specific consideration will be given to areas
where public improvements, including adjacent RSPP improve-
ments, have been budgeted more recently than 1979 by the city.
c. Specific consideration will be given to areas where new
opportunities for housing for low/moderate income persons are
being developed or where residents are already involved in
strengthening housing mafntenance efforts and other
neighborhood improvement projects.
d. Specific consideration will be given to the general condition,
appearance, serviceability and extraordinary maintenance needs
of the existing streets.
e. Specific consideration will be given to proposals which do not
entail excessive project costs due to unusual construction
requirements.
f. Specific consideration will be given to paving proposals for
residential streets which are public transportation (MTC)
routes and/or marked bicycle routes and lanes.
g. Specific consideration will be given to the Public Works
Department' s overall recommendations on a particular proposal .
The ranqe of 0-10 points to be assigned will be based on the
Department's general appraisal of the proposal.
3. PROJECT STANDARDS
Standard street construction consists of the following:
a. A 32 '-wide street with asphalt pavement and concrete curb and
gutter .
b. Sidewalk reconstruction based on a condition inspection by the
Department of Public Works.
--All old tile sidewalk will be replaced with new sidewalk.
--All scaled, cracked or tree-heaved sidewalk will be replaced
if, in the opinion of the Department of Public Works, it
constitutes a tripping hazard.
--Reconstructed sidewalks will be 5' -wide except spot panel
replacement of 6'-wide walk.
--Pedestrian ramps will be constructed at all intersections
where sidewalk is being reconstructed.
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1984/1985 RSPP Guidelines , -3-
c. New catch basins.
d. Ornamental lighting with underground wiring installed with
energy-efficient sodium vapor lighting. In most instances,
existing ornamental light standards will be refurbished and
converted to sodium vapor fixtures. Justification must be
given by the District Council if lighting is requested to be
eliminated from the project.
e. Driveways constructed/reconstructed between the sidewalk and
curb with new concrete aprons.
f. Outwalks constructed/reconstructed between the sidewalk and
curb with new 2'-wide concrete outwalks.
g. Boulevards regraded and sodded where necessary. (Usually this
is the entire boulevard) .
h. Water services will be replaced on a project basis from the
main to the stop box with copper pipe, at the request of the
proposer , where the size of the service is 5/8 inch in
diameter or less and where the average static water pressure
in the main is equal to or less than 40 pounds per square
inch. (IT SHOULD BE MADE CLEAR that for a resident to realize
an improvement at the water faucets, the remainder of the
water service from the stop box, which is in the boulevard, to
the house, as well as the water pipes in the house, may have
to be replaced. This would be at the homeowner 's expense) .
IT SHOULD BE EMPHASIZED that a request for special design items
(i .e. , stone curb, historic light fixtures, textured concrete
surface, etc. ) which are other than the above listed standard
construction will be considered by the CIB Committee and subject
to City Council approval . City Council consideration will include
the additional cost for non-standard work and the impact of that
additional cost on the other priority projects in the recommended
RSPP budget.
4. ESTIMATED COST
The estimatecl cost of these projects during 1984/1985 is $130
per lineal foot of street (that's $686,000 per mile) , and
includes items 3a through 3g above.
a. If the blocks are standard "long blocks" (660' ) and "short
blocks" (330' ) , estimate the length by multiplying the number
of long blocks times 660, and the short blocks times 330 and
multiplying this times $130 for totaZ project cost.
b. Call Ed Tio (292-6276) or Jack Davis (292-628I} if assistance
is needed in determining the project estimate.
1984/1985 RSPP Guidelines l -4-
5. SUBMISSION OF PROJECT REQUESTS
Citizen groups wishing �o submit paving proposals, must coordinate
their submissions with others from the district councilm
Requests for residential street paving from the district councils
are due in the City Budget Director 's Office, Room 367 City Hall ,
55102, no later than 4: 30 p.m. on Friday� October 7, 1983. Forms
received after 4: 30 on October 7, 1983, will be penalized for late
submission. Forms for requesting fundinq consideration ("Proposal
for 1984/1985 Residential Street Paving" � are included in this
mailing and can also be obtained b� calling Public Works, 298-5311
or the Budqet Section, 298-4323.
Before a proposal is submitted to the city, the proposer should
call:
a. Dan Dunford (292-6750) of the Streets Division for a
preliminary review of the proposal to determine any strong
conflicts with the criteria listed in these guidelines.
b. Roger Puchreiter (292-6004) of the Sewer Division for review
of the proposal to determine future sewer construction
conflicts. (IT IS ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT THAT THE PROPOSER
AVOID CONFLICT WITH FUTURE SEWER CONSTRUCTION) . See attached
map which shows the areas where sewer conflicts are
unlikely.
6. EXCEPTIONS TO GUIDELINES
Paving proposals not consistent with these guidelines should be
submitted as part of the Unified Capital Improvement Program and
Budget Process (UCIPBP) in Spring 1985. .
7. SCHEDULE
The calendar of events for the 1983 RSPP process is enclosed, as
is an updated map of CDBG eligible areas in Saint Paul. Proposals
for the 1984 RSPP and the 1985 RSPP will be done in one process
during the Fall of 1983.
8. PRIORITIES
Projects will be recommended based on the adopted level of funds
for 1984 and the proposed level for 1985. Should additional funds
. become available, the next priority eligible will be selected. If
funding should decrease for 1985, the lowest priority projects
will be deleted.
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1984/1985 RESIDENTIAL STREET PAVING PROGRAM (RSPP)
Adopted by City Council September , 1983
Council File
These guidelines were developed for use in
allocating City Council 's 1984 and 1985
Capital Improvement Budget appropriations
to the RSPP
For further information contact:
Budqet Section of the Mayor 's Office
367 City Hall , 298-4323
Danisl Dunford
Street Design Engineer
Department of Public Works
8th Floor City Hall Annex, 292-6750
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1984/1985 RESIDENTIAL STREET PAVING PROGRAM (RSPP)
GUIDELINES
GOAL
The goal of the Residential Street Paving Program is to improve the
quality of Saint Paul neighborhoods by replacing presentiy unpaved and
deteriorated residential streets with permanent roadways, properly
graded, surfaced and curbed, and by installing sidewalks and street
lights as appropriate to each area.
PROGRAM DEVELOPMENT
1. ELIGIBLE IMPROVEMENTS AND AREAS
a. Oil—surfaced streets may be included in this program. These
street surfaces have been built up over the years by a yearly
oil and sand treatment (lately, every third year) . Some of
these streets have had curbing installed on them.
b. Paved streets in deteriorated condition may be incZuded in
this program. .
c. Unimproved residential streets which are not assessable under
current policy may be included in this program. These streets
are generally short blocks abutting the long sides of corner
lots, which, under city policy, are not assessed for the first
125 feet of the long side frontage.
d. Only streets in which utilities are complete and adequate or
streets in which utilities will be installed as part of the
improvement will be included in the program. The cost of
utilities other than street lighting, except spot
reconstruction of drainage facilities, will not be part �f the
program funding.
e. Areas shall be established to obtain maximum effect and
efficient construction. Cost should be $150,000 up to an
absolute maximum of $500,000.
f. Any group or individual may submit proposals through the
appropriate District Council for consideration. However , only
the top two proposal of each District Council will be reviewed
by the Streets and Utilities Task Force of the CIB Committee.
Additionally, the Streets and Utilities Task Force will review
up to four proposals from the Department of Public Works.
Z984/1985 RSPP Guidelines -2-
2. SELECTION CRITERIA
a. The xecommen�ations of the appropriate district council and
consistency with a district plan will be given consideration.
bo Concentration of improvements may significantly strengthen the
total impact. Specific consideration will be given to areas
where public improvements, including adjacent RSPP improve-
ments, have been budgeted more recently than 1979 by the city.
c. Specific consideration will be given to areas where new
opportunities for housfng for low/moderate income persons are
being developed or where residents are already involved in
strengthening housing maintenance efforts and other
neighborhood improvement projects.
d. Specific consideration will be qiven to the general condition,
appearance, serviceability and extraordinary maintenance needs
of the existing streets.
e. Specific consideration will be given to proposals which do not
entail excessive project costs due to unusual construction
requirements.
f. Specific consideration will be given to paving proposals for
residential streets which are public transportation (MTC)
routes and/or marked bicycle routes and Zanes.
g. Specific consideration will be qiven to the Public Works
Department's overall recommendations on a particular proposal ..
The range of 0-10 points to be assigned will be based on the
Department's general appraisal of the proposal.
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3. PROJECT STANDARDS
Standard street construction consists of the following:
a. A 32 '-wide street with asphalt pavement and concrete curb and
gutter .
b. Sidewalk reconstruction based on a condition inspection by the
Department of Public Works.
--All old tile sidewalk will be replaced with new sidewalk.
--All scaled, cracked or tree-heaved sidewalk will be replaced
if, in the opinion of the Department=of Public Works, it
constitutes a tripping hazard.
--Reconstructed sidewalks wi21 be 5'-wide except spot panel
replacement of 6 '-wide walk.
--Pedestrian ramps will be constructed at all intersections
where sidewalk is being reconstructed.
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1984/1985 RSPP Guidelines -3-
c. New catch basins.
d. Ornamental lighting with underground wiring installed with
energy-efficient sodium vapor lighting. In most instances,
existing ornamental light standards will be refurbished and
converted to sodium vapor fixtures. Justification must be
given by the District Council if lighting is requested to be
eliminated from the project.
e. Driveways constructed/reconstructed between the sidewalk and
curb with new concrete aprons.
f. Outwalks constructed/reconstructed between the sidewalk and
curb with new 2'-wide concrete outwalks.
g. Boulevards regraded and sodded where necessary. (Usually this
is the entire boulevard) .
h. Water services will be replaced on a project basis from the
main to the stop box with copper pipe, at the request of the
proposer , where the size of the service is 5/8 inch in
diameter or less and where the average static water pressure
in the main is equal to or less than 40 pounds per square
inch. (IT SHOULD BE MADE CLEAR that for a resident to xealize
an improvement at the water faucets, the remainder of the
water service from the stop box, which is in the boulevard, to
the house, as well as the water pipes in the house, may have
to be replaced. This would be at the homeowner 's expense) .
IT SHOULD BE EMPHASIZED that a request for special design items
(i .e. , stone curb, historic light fixtures, textured concrete
surface, etc. ) which are other than the above listed standard
construction will be considered by the CIB Commit£ee and subject
to City Council approval . City Council consideration will include
the additional cost for non-standard work and the impact of that
additional cost on the other priority projects in the recommended
RSPP budget.
4. ESTIMATED COST
The estimated cost of these projects during 1984/1985 is $130
per lineal foot of street (that' s $686,000 per mile) , and
includes items 3a through 3g above.
a. If the blocks are standard "long blocks" (650' ) and "short
blocks" (330' ) , estimate thz length by�'multiplying the number
of long blocks times 660, and the short blocks times 330 and
multiplying this times $130 for total project cost.
b. Call Ed Tio (292-6276) or Jack Davis (292-6281) if assistance
is needed in determininq the project estimate.
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1984/1985 RSPP Guidelines -4-
5. SUBMISSION OF PROJECT REQUESTS
Citizen groups wishing to submit paving proposals, must coordinate
their submissions with others from the district council.
Requests for residential street paving from the district councils
are due in the City Budget Director 's Office, Room 367 City Hall ,
551�2, no later than 4: 30 p.m. on Friday, October 7, 1983. Forms
received after 4: 30 on October 7, 1983, will be penalized for late
submission. Forms for requesting fundinq consideration ("Proposal
for 1984/1985 Residential Street Paving" ) are included in this
mailinq and can also be obtained by callinq Public Works, 298-5311
ar the Budget Section, 298-4323.
Before a proposal is submitted to the city, the proposer should
call:
a. Dan Dunford (292-6750) of the Streets Division for a
prela.minary review of the proposal to determine any strong
conflicts with the criteria listed in these guidelines.
b. Roger Puchreiter (292-6004) of the Sewer Division for review
of the proposal to determine future sewer construction
conflicts. (IT IS' ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT THAT THE PROPOSER
AVOID CONFLICT WITH FUTURE SEWER CONSTRUCTION) . See attached
map which shows the areas where sewer conflicts are
unlikely.
6. EXCEPTIONS TO GUIDELINES
Paving proposals not consistent with these guidelines should be
submitted as part of the Unified Capital Improvement Program and
Budget Process (UCIPBP) in Sprinq 1985. °
7. SCHEDULE
The calendar of events for the 1983 RSPP process is enclosed, as
is an updated map of CDBG eligible areas in Saint Paul . Proposals
for the 1984 RSPP and the 1985 RSPP will be done in one process
during the Fall of 1983.
8. PRIORITIES
Projects will be recommended based on the adopted level of funds
for 1984 and the proposed level for 1985. Should additional funds
become available , the next priority eligib�e will be selected . If
funding should decrease for 1985, the lowest priority projects
will be deleted.
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9/].3/8�3 : ' �VACAT�ION: .(Laa.d over from August .24th)� Petition of Daniel. '
.Wage�rs for, the vacation o� a11ey in B1ock 13 , WoodJ.and .
� Park .Addi.tion. � . �
Recommended approval , with stipulations.
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Di�cussion of Lawsuit fa.led by Bernice A. Peterson/ . �
Sharon(Sc.arre7.J.a) Anderson regard�ing Non-,Profit .
Corporation �D�str�.ct Heata.ng Deve7.opment Co :
Recommended matter be referred back to City Council with
� recommendation that it be referred to a more appxopriate
committee ; i . e. , Energy, Utilities , Environment Committee.
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. C. F. 280729 , amending Chapter 128 of the Le.gis7.ative
Code entitled "News Stands" and permit�ing an increase �
in ,the height lima.tation. ' ' ,
Matter laid over for two weeks for further discussion.
RESOLUTI.ON concerna.ng vacation of Luther' Pl.ace .
Recommended approval.
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DISCUSSION of Resolution Adopting Gua.deli.nes for the ,
1984/1985 Residential Street Paving Progxam.
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. � ension I also have an item that our Cit�
Nicosia: While we re under susp ,
Clerk can read to us here in a minute , however, it was passed
out of my Committee yesterday and it' s a resolution adopting the
guidelines for the 1984/85 Residential Street Paving Program.
Tammy Aichinger is here today and if we have any questions,,�, we
can talk to her about it. Toni Baker would also like to have a' - -
minute or two to speak on the subject. The purpose of getting
it in today under suspension is that we are another situation
where we ' re in a time constraint. They want to get these guide-
lines out to the community councils so that they can develop
some proposals for the city and get them back to us by, I believe,
Tammy - the 27th of this month, or October 7th, which only allows
about 4 weeks at the maximum. So with that I ' d like to introduce
that resolution. Mike can read it to us .
Mike Sirian, read resolution.
Tedesco : Ed, in certain districts people can get by by just paying 20% on
the projects if they fall within certain income guideoureheadI -
think some of the districts - Toni - you' re shaking y
do you want to come up here? Maybe you can explain it better,
but what I want to say is that not ever.ybody in .Battle Creek is
wealthy and I ' d like to see some of the people that would fall
within a certain area get the certain break that ouYmiehtlwant to
would get regardless of where they live. Toni , y g
explain a little better than I can.
Toni Baker: Toni Baker , Community Organizer of DsSthemselveSFirltbeganlmye
to make a comment about the guidelin
citizen participation efforts back about 8 years ago on the Streets
and Utilities Force and one of the things that came in - �ha�ink
the first or second year that I was on was the strategy
said we would spend 600 of our dollars , our CIB dollars to improve
areas that were in need of improvements , and we would spend the
remaining 40% to conserve those areas that are still in good shape ,
and let' s not let them get to a pointthatrstrategyeedIl�hinkeitnt .
I really bought into that philosphy,
was oocl and I think it' s been a realistic way for the City of St .
Paulgto deal with the fact that it ' s a built up city with areas
that need a lot of work and areas that don' t need a lot of work.
I think it proved me personally, back as I sat as a valunteer on
the Task Force , I think it provided me an incentive to come down
here and volunteer and sit on that committee because I knew at
least occasionally, although we weren' t an area of the greatest
need, at least occasionally I would take home some goodies to my
community that I could say to my community when they say - why
do you do that work down there? That I could say, at least
occasionally, I can bxing home an improvement to my neighborhood.
My problem is that therovementaguidelinebeas haventhey beenhtaken
residential street imp
out of the Capital Allocation Policy and I have some concerns
about the way �hey were taken out . Community organizers JuSOin
received a copy of the ordinance or the droutdonat thinkrwegneed
to approve today. We did not , now maybe Y of the slashed out -
to be spoonfed - we did not roueall the changes that are proposed,
you know the one that shows y
so unless you are very outtook� iteuponhyourself�toutake theanewer
with lots of time and y
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Toni Baker:
(cont) one, dig out the one from two years ago and compared them word
. for word, you didn' t know that change had been made and I think
it ' s an irnportant fact . It put the. city in a good position,
that strategy was good. I am very disappointed and opposed to
the fact that it ' s been taken out. Staff tells me that they
looked back through the years and saw that those percentages of
allocations have been going to roughly, or even better in some
cases , to CIB so that the percentages have been working and they
say so therefore they aren' t needed to be written into the
document. Have they worked because they were written in a
document, or have they worked as a natural function of a task
force , and I think they worked because for 8 years they have been
in our documents and people knew that when they chose the projects
they had to come up with that balance - that ratio . What I ask
of .you because frankly I caught it too late , � I should have been
at the public hearing yesterday. I think it s too late - these
guidelines need to go out to community organizations , so I am not
asking that you hold them up. I wish I could. I wish I could
feel good about asking you to hold them up , but I 'm not going to
ask you to do that , but I certainly ask those of you who have
CIB area5 in your wards that you watch it very carefully,and when
we stand here two years from now that we decide whether those
percentages should be put back in.
I ' d like to go on to something else. It' s about the assessments ,
and I realize that you' re going to be dealing with assessments
and assessment policies separately, but I have a comment� that I
r e a l l y t h i n k I ' d like to make now just to warn you of a big
problem that I think is right around the corner for you. In t h e
past, residential street paving projects were done completely
without assessments , both in my neighborhood and CDBG areas .
Everybody got those projects totally without assessments . The
new assessment policy would say that in CIB areas that those
people wil7. be assessed 20% of the project. My Council hasn' t _
taken a position for or against whether th��S.�Oo is appropriate
there was a casual discussion of it at our eeting and I believe
that had it come to a vote there would have even been approval
of the 20% as a way of augmenting the limited dollars the city
has in making them go farther so that we can get more miles done
because some of our residential streets , even in my area� roblem
abominal shape. We need to do more miles, but where. the p
comes in that I felt very strongly from the majority, if not all
of our people , was what Councilman Tedesco referred to -- we
have poor in our CIB areas that are on just as limited incomes
as the people who live in CDBG areas. There aren' t a great number
of them, that' s why they don' t qualify for CDBG,.
but none the
less , be they disabled, be they elderly, be they single parents ,
for some reason they have been able to hang onto that house in
the CIB area, but that doesn' t mean that they are going to be able
to pay the 200 . And what we':re setting up here , T think, is a
friction for neighborhoods and I don' t think we as a city should
be doing that . What are we going to do if I try to organize a
project in a neighborhood with an abominable street but we' ve got
3 or 4 people who genuinely can t afford it, and then thoinreto
' going to have to say that too��i���h�eigebgos • g toeberembarrassed
have to come down and tell y y wl�� y ou can
' and maybe they' ll even have angry n��oubTesjust causing us our
� afford it• if you rea11y wanted it - y
whole project. I see horrendous things coming about. If possible
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Toni B�kEr:
(cont) one, dig out the one from two years ago and compared them word
. for word, you didn' t know that change had been made and I think
it ' s an important fact . It put the. city in a good position,
that strategy was good. I am very disappointed and opposed to
the fact that it ' s been taken out. Staff tells me that they
looked back through the years and saw that those percentages of
allocations have been going to roughly, or even better in some
cases , to CIB so that the percentages have been working and they
say so therefore they aren' t needed to be writ�en into t�ie
document. Have they worked because they were written in a
document, or have they worked as a natural function of a task
force , and I think they worked because for 8 years they have been
in our documents and people knew that when they chose the projects
they had to come up with that balance - that ratio . What I ask
of .you because frankly I caught it too late, I should have been
at the public hearing yesterday. I think it ' s too late - these
guidelines need to go out to community organizations , so I am not
asking that you hold them up. I wish I could. I �wish I could
feel good about asking you to hold them up , but I m not going to
ask you to do that , but I certainly ask those of you who have
CIB areas in your wards that you watch it very carefully,and when
we stand here two years from now that we decide whether those
percentages should be put back in.
I ' d like to go on to something else. It' s about the assessments ,
and I realize that you' re going to be dealing with assessments
and assessment policies separately, but I have a comment� that I
r e a l l y t h i n k I ' d like to make now just to warn you of a big
problem that I think is right around the corner for y o u. I n t h e
past, residential street paving projects were done completely
without assessments , both in my neighborhood and CDBG areas .
Everybody got those projects totally without assessments . The
new assessment policy would say that in CIB areas that those
people will. be assessed ZOo of the project. My �ouncil hasn' t _
taken a position for or a ainst whether th Oo is appropriate
there was a casual discus�ion of it at our���e�ting and I bovalve
that had it come to a vo te t he r e w o u l d h a v e e v e n b e e n a p p
of the 20% as a way of augmenting the limited dollars the city
has in making them go farther so that we can get more miles done
because some of our residential streets , even in my area� roblem
abominal shape. We need to do more miles , but where tif not all
comes in that I felt very strongly from the majority,
�, of our people, was what Councilman Tedesco referred to - - we
have poor in our CIB areas that are on just as limited incomes
as the people who live in CDBG areas. There aren' t a great number
of them, that' s why they don' t qualify for CDBG, but nonearents ,
less , be they disabled, be they elderly, be they single p
for some reason they have been able to hang onto thoinh�toebenable
' the CIB area , but that doesnft mean that they areTgthink is a
to pay the 20% . And what we �:re setting up here , �
' friction for neighborhoods and I don' t think we as a city should
, be doing that . What are we going to do if I try to organize a
project in a neighborhood with an abominable street but we' ve got
'; 3 or 4 people who genuinely can' t afford it, and then the�inreto
going to have to say that to ��i��r neighbors . toeberembarrassed
' have to come down and tell you - �hey' re g��$g ou can
and maybe they' ll even have angry ne���hbors ust causing us our
afford it• �f you really wanted it - you re j ossible
whole project. I see horrendous things coming about. If P
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To,ni Baker:
(cont) if it' s legal for you to take some of the CIB dollars that are
a part of the total package for residential street paving and
use those for the people who meet the income guidelines that
whatever the income limi:t is that qualifies a CDBG area to be
a CDBG area if a person has that same income , use some of the
CIB dollars to pay that person' s assessment without embarrass-
ment so that we can get a project in a CIB area? It will mean
that fewer miles are done , but I think it ' s a necessity that
our poor across the city of St. Paul be treated eaually.
One other think I ' d like to say about the 20% , although I have
said my Council will probably be supportive of it, I think we
have an additional problem in that I really believe that it will
be impossible to organize a CIB proposal with the 20% assessment.
I have tried to sell sidewalks where sidewalks are desperately
needed. People won' t pay for improvements . I wish they would -
we can say from a fiscal attitude that they should and maybe
they can, but they don' t want to , so I fear that this residential
street paving program, that there will not be any CIB applications .
I hope I 'm wrong , but I fear that there won' t be any and that pot
will be sitting there to do other things with because of the fear
of the assessment. Don' t know if any of you read our newspaper,
but we carried an article that told how they could call and we
would o�ganize a block group and get this proposal off the
ground. I haven' t had one call and the paper has been out since
Saturday. Today' s Thursday. Thank you.
Nicosia: Toni, don' t go .away. I love ya. I don' t know where you were
yesterday for my Public Works Committee meeting, but you should
have been there. You have just expressed my sentiments right
to the T and I believe Tammy Aichinger can probably attest to
that. I discussed this with her and Dan Dunford and those were
similar things that were a very concern to me. I even went one
step deeper and pointed out a couple of people in my area who
have recently been hit with an area-wide char.ge for storm drainage
and I know in the Battle Creek area some people have suffered
under the same thing . That has become a gretty good project. It
brings to mind Gabriel Road, but we won' t get into Gabriel Road
right now. Some of them have just had sidewalks laid onto their
tax assessment and now we want , if they need these streets , curbs ,
gutters and lights , stuff like that, we' re going to throw a 200
assessment which amounts to a very tidy sum when you have more
than a 50o ft. and there are people with those. And it just so
happens the one that' s in my mind is an elderly lady with about
a 150 ft. frontage. Now we' re going to put her right out on the
street. It' s just as simple as that and it does bother me and
I do see that these programs constantly overlap and overlap and
overlap and overlap the same areas of town and we do have to have
some good distribution of those dollars and exactly what you just
said now is my concern too. I scolded Tammy a little bit yester-
day for bringing this in at such a late hour for us because it
puts us in that same o1d box where you now feel very guilty trying
to stop it but you know in your mind tliat the right thing to do is
to really get a little bit of word changing into the program and
we feel that way too. And while I know later on we' re going to
be chastized in our Ward for not getting CIB monies into our area,
but this is the kind of handcuffing that we have to deal with in
order to work on a problem like this , so I agree 1000 . Maybe
Tammy can add a little bit of light to that.
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Tammy Aichinger:
First of all , I ' d like to apologize to Toni. Some of her points
were auite accurate. I would like to suggest an alternative
which may help address her issue , and this is back to her first
point - 60-400 . That was removed because the Capital Allocation
Policy which originally specified the 60-40 has been deleted from
the Capital Allocation Pollcy and it was just a direct reiteration.
However, if you as council members would like to explore insert-
ing that back into the guidelines , that policy does not actually '
come in play until the time that a recommended budget is put
together which would be late October or early November , so that
the guidelines as they stand c�onldtoelookptodthatasoWthatSwhen
kind of a vision that we' re g S
it comes time for the Streets and UtilitiesrT�aects�and wedwant
Committee to say OK, here s our rating of p j
to meet some kind of percentage distribution - that percentage
distribution would exist at that time . I don' t believe it' s
something that the districts ikedtotsuggest�thatlas�anealternative.
together a proposal , so I d 1
In terms of the assessments , again the guidelines can go ahead.
If it looks like proposals for use of capital improvement bonds
which are about half or over half of the fundI will�bedsending
85 for and 85 for residential stIewillabensending out the
� as soon as the guidelines pass ,
proposal forms today. I can include a provision that people
should submit CIB proposassessmengsnwouldtexisteor notd-tthey
we did not know whethe
should go ahead with the assumption that they would. We could
soften that up to some extent so that if it lo°aheadkwithout some
some very critical proposals that could not g
� kind of subsidy to the low and moderate income people., those
will be encourage to come in.
Wilson: Mr. Chairman,
members of the committee , this has been a problem
that we have a11 been one way or the other sgfuWeleould,tantia
have been working with city Sitffinallyecoming to a head, could
cipating this problem seeing
work out a program of strategy to resolve this kind of inevitable
conflict. Conflict being
the inability to pay, but the need for
capital improvement projects or activities. What I am recommend-
ing to the staff and I hopoaall btogethersyetf�we are stilllmeet-
forma11y - it' s just not Y
ing and conferring onTetisbthat whatnwe1dod�sSal1owethat�CDBGns
that have surfaced he if ou
monies can be used in essence to subsidize or pick up � ro ' ects
will , the cost of - initial cost of regardlessPwhereethey live
for low and moderate income people , ro ect has
in the cit.y. What that doen doesn' t havewtheeability to PaY�
to go throu h where a perso
' the low andgmoderate income , you don' t have the ability to paY,
we would step in with the CDBG money and make the payment . We
then set for�h a schedule ofa�ephemerobbemtwetaremdealing with
' that gets us away from is th a ment the have these interest
now which is when we defer the p y y
' Well , the interest on the payment and the interest
rates to pay- rinci al , so what we can do here again is
oftentimes ExceEd the p P
' to step in, make the payment for low and moderate onforwardmandner
set up a sched�ile of repayment. The project can g which are
be completed. The people who have the ability to pay
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(cont) people above the moderate income level would pay, the people below
that wi11 not pay initially, but we will set up a schedule of
repayment. I think that wi11 solve the problem that is being
identified here and I have asked - i know Jim Hart is looking at
this from the legal standpoint and �he Budget Dept. staff is
looking at it. When we get that completed, I ' d like to bring
that in as a project for consideration. The alternative - what
we eliminate with this is a lot of the CDBG"eligible projects" ,
but they aren' t CDBG eligible projects basically a11ow that both
low and moderate income people and people above low and moderate
income don' t have to pay. With this schedule the people who can
afford to pay, pay, and those who are low and moderate income
homeowners who have difficulty in paying that big shot at once -
$4 or $ 5 , 000 - whatarerremoved from thablli�hey°donytthavebto do
shot at once , they
that but we can then therefore set a schedule of payment. That' s
essential.ly the proposal I 've been working on and I think it
addresses the problems that have been identified by this .
Tedesco : Toni, do you want to answer that?
Toni Baker:That does a really good job of addressing the first problem I
brought up, but as long as I don' t know as an organizer whether
there will be an assessment, the fact that you don' t have that
assessment policy down means - I think it ' s virtually impossible
to organize a project because you cari' t go out to a gxoup - you
can' t go doorknocking to people and say I want you to buy into
this project but I don' t know whether you' re going to be charged
for it or not. It just �won' t work. Tammy can soften the words ,
but as an organizer , it s an impossible task. I either have to
know one way or the oth1r . bu�fIiilltryhe If�itIisn' trthe Zpdon' t
think I 11 be successfu ,
then I ' 11 go out and I ' ll make it. But we are in a quandry here
and I don' t know the way out.
Wilson: I am also looking at the option of eliminating any assessments
per se for the projects . that ,
Toni B. But unless that' s done seo�.and knowayouecanttechangeeit , but' I
start to organize a pro�
want you to know why there probably won' t be any CIB proposals
because we can' t begin to organize until we know that.
' Scheibel : I know Mr. Wilson' s badedw�nkthe �ightadirectionr aIlknowtamlot �
and I -�hink that s he thin s late - usually I m
of times that we complain about gettood reason. I think what we
' the one to defend saying there ' s a g 1 in for
have before us though is really a policy - it ' s not app y g
a grant - .it' s not somebody purchasing something , but really our
role is to set policy and guidelines . And I think a 1ot of
key an or anizer it' s
the points Toni made are very accuraro� ecBsluntil you know what
real hard to go out and talk about p j
', people are going to pay and as everybody has said 20o Somehow
c{uite a bit. I 'm inclined today not to pass this on,
inform the district councils that this is being reviewEd, that�.:�te
have a little more discussion and pass something that we ' re
' � more comfortable with, and work on the au�eISthinktthis� isAthel
realize that' s going to be a hardship , b
kind of communication Wwithlthisncostland wearengA�ng� t°�havesay
what is the city doing
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Scheib�el :
(cont) a lot of people saying I thought we were going to do away with
assessments - what' s going to happen. I think this is a major
policy. We ' re going to live with it a couple of years . I think
its good - the CIB and Tammy has done a good - basically a good
job. I think its really our job to pick out those areas that we
hear from communities and say how are we going to make this work,
and I 'm real inclined not to pass it, to get that communication
out and t�y and work with CIB and the Budget Office to communicate
what we are doing , but I think its better to be clear than pass
something and say we ' ll cover it later on.
Nicosia: Before you take a roll call , let' s consider that a little bit.
Certainly thats the way I think. Perhaps there are others here
too that wouhat1Tonitbroughtlupttodayrandemaybehinnan the�fweek
very areas t
or two weeks then might be appropriate.
Tedesco : Why don' t you move two weeks layolease donhtnleaverybIdhad ascall
accordance with that, and Toni , p
this morning concerning our district.
Nicosia: Ok, I would move a two week layover unless John has something to
interj ect f irst.
Galles : I ' d just li.ke to ask Tammy, I don' t think we ever got the answer
yesterday or we asked a auestion maybe - what' s the reason for the
rush again. Wou1d you run that by us again?
Tammy: I ' d pull back on the wfodlowed annuallyaforSmanyuyearsuandeIymades
is a schedule that we
the mistake of not realizing or not remembering that I 'm noast.
dealing wi�h the same group of people that we have in the p
The proposal forms - Streets and Utilities Task Force is scheduled
to begin reviewing proposals the second week of October. The
proposals are due on the 7th and they are supposed to have their
next meeting the next Tuesday. Now that can be delayroblem comes
think there is any great difficulty with that . Theroblem comes
in, and I' ll just send out another schedule. The P ro ects . If
in with Public Works. They need to begin to design p j
they are in fact going to be constructed next summer, we can' toin
wait until January or February say to know what projects are g g
to be done because we can' t get them done next summer. If we
delay the Streets and Utilities Task Force meellthinktthathwould
of October and go into November and December ,
, be very workable , a little staff tightness , but.
Nicosia: Very good. That will work right into our layover.
Fletcher: Mr. Chairman, I 'm not Quite sure how directly the guidelines relate
to the financing, but it would seem to make sense to me that beforE
you adopt the guidelines , u uld send out information on how yoi
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were going to finance themifmthelteople didn;�tsknoweexactlyfhowe
problems that would occur P we could
they were going to be financed, and as Tammy mentioned,
' send out a softer language saying that we may not assess people
for street paving , but I am just inclined to think first of all
there is no way that I am going to support any assessments for
residential street paving . Th�.t concept just reallyav��owemu�h
much to �ink that whether or not your street gets p
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Fletcher, :
(cont) you' re going to pay depends upon your front footage has no
relationship whatsoever with your ability to pay, and I am in-
clined to think that this Council - everyone around here has
the same inner feeling on that issue , and so prior to sending
out the guidelines it only seems to make sense to me to address
the issue how wesre going to finance them and I would sure hope
that we could adopt guidelines based upon financing that would
say that no one is going to pay even if it means less gets done ,
at least no ones going to have to pay for the street paving
program. What concerns me more is that the financing assessment
program has been sitting around here since January or February
of 1982 and no one has really taken action on it , in fact in
March of ' 82 the previous council to this one passed a motion
that there would be public hearings held in each of the wards
on the issue and nothing has happened. And nothing happened
in the last term of the old council and nothing has happened in
this council. I just would hate to see us get our backs up
against the wa11 going into November and December and have to
decide on a financing program all of a sudden and I can see that
we are sort of running into that wall.
Tedesco : Two weeks layover? Yes - Anymore comments?
Scheibel: Mr. Chairman - Mr. Nygaard' s going to be before us this afternoon
discussing Public Works budget, so I think there will be
Fletcher: Tammy, when is the discussion going to take place on the assessment
policy itself because it seems to me we should l.ay this matter over
until we can discuss them both jointly.
Tammy A. That, gentlemen, I believe is up to you. Assessment policy has been
sent by the Mayor to Council and referred to committee and I believe
that was last month, so it is presently in the council ' s hands as
to whether or not you move ahead with it. The Mayor' s proposed
budget includes 20% assessment for the CIB portion of the residentia]
street paving program, so in adopting that it may be assumed
implicitly that if it is adopted as proposed it may be an implicit
assumption that you are going to have assessments , or if it dropped
or otherwise .
Fletcher: That' s a good warning point.
Scheibel: My head may be a little foggy this morning but I thought a couple
of weeks ago we did pass the assessment policy as amended and we
changed a lot of the language, took out could be used for the
street lighting or special street lighting - that language
Fletcher That was what we could assess for - an
ordinance, but there' s another assessment for CIB street paving
guidelines that say we can assess 20o for streets and 50o for
sidewalks inaudible -- - -
Scheibel_: Ok the first thing we did then - isn' t the other one then - is �that
in Public Works or Finance? T thought it was in Public Works.
Tammy A. I 've just become totally confused. The policy that I am thinking
about is ea11Ed the proposed public improvement assessment policy.
It covers - it says that a11 first time construction wi11
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(cont) 100o assessed, it says that lights and streets reconstructed be
assessed at 200 , residential , commercial will be variable rates ,
etc. I don' t know that its been passed but I was on vacation
and I believ�e FinancetandPthencwasrdropped1back� toIthe1Mayorland
first went t
then to Public �Vorks Committee.
Tedesco : What committee do we want to do with this? and I would suggest
that its a Committee of the Whole.
Scheibel : If I recall I think we were waiting - we passed /tgeneral polic�es
accor.ding to the leWwhaa committeeinkl�emaghtsevenit- ittpaobably
make any differenc
should be a committee of the whole anyway.
Tedesco : Let' s make it thefFiuSn�Jim�mortshould�wemsetea datehrightlnow?
And you will not y ,
Scheibel: We' ll check schedules .
Tedesco : So moved. Roll Call
Roll Call 7-0•
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Assi n Nurt�er for Routin Order Cli All Locations for oral Si nature :
Department Director
City Attorney
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Finance and Management Services Dire ^ : �
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What Will be Achieved by Taking Action on the Attached Materials? (Purpose/Rationale):
Guidelines for establishing project priorities for 1984 and 1985 Residential Street
Paving Program will be established.
Financial , Budgetary and Personnel Impacts Anticipated:
None. Funding for RSPP is proposed for 1984 and 1985. No action will be taken
unless funding is approved.
Funding Source and Fund Activity Number Charged or Credited:
1984 and 1985 Capital Improvement Bonds; Assessments; Year X and Year XI
Community Development Block Grant �funds; Jobs Program Funds
Attachments (List and Number all Attachments� :
Council Resolution
RSPP Guidelines
DEPARTMENT REVIEW CITY ATTORNEY REVIEW
� Yes No Council Resolution Required? Resolution Required? �, Yes No
Yes �( No Insurance Required? Insurance Sufficient? Yes -----No
Yes No Insurance Attached?
Revision of October, 1982
(See Reverse Side for 'Instructions)