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00-293Council File # 00'�.43 OR�GINAL Presented Referred To RESOLUTION OF S,�(INT PAUL, MINNESOTA Green 5heet # 100409 �� Committee Date 1 BE IT RESOLVED, that the Council of the City of Saint Paul hereby certifies and approves the March 21, 2 2000, decision of the Legislative Hearing Officer on Properry Code Enforcement Appeals for the following 3 addresses: 4 Pro ero rtv Appealed 5 790 Laurel Avenue 6 (Withdrawn.) Aro elp lant Lawrence Walker 7 1264 Davem Street: 1445. 1457. 1461, 1471. 1477, 1485. 1491, Robert O. Mast for Davern Park Realty 8 1501, 1507. 1511, 1517. 1527, 1533, 1539, 1545 St. Paul Avenue: 9 Robert O. Mast for Dauern Park Realtv Company, 10 Decision: Appeal denied. 11 11 Kelloeg Boulevazd East 12 Decision: Appeal denied. 13 1186 and 1188 Seventh Street East 14 Decision: Appeal denied. Jerry McCoy for Radisson Hotel Saint Paul Wilfred Menard 1 Crreen Sheet 100409, Page 2 po -iq� 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 Yeas Nays Absent Blakey �/ Coleman i/ Harris ,/ Benanav ✓ Reiter ✓ Bostrom � Lantry � 6 6 Adopted by Council: Date Q�_'� S �p�+c7 �� � Adoption C ified by Council Secretary B y� � � � Approved by Mayor: i C L �(/ By. �� Requested by Deparknent o£ � Form Approved by City Attorney � Approved by Mayor for Submission to Council � 2 �o -a-°� a000 GREEN SHEET 266-8575 xwmat sort Rourvrc TOTAL # OF SICaNATURE PAGES m.enar�rc. ..,�, (�[� NO � Ls'v - : - 'J 7, ❑ atr�nouar ❑ a�reisuc ❑ wuxo��aExvraoa ❑ rrwew�a ❑rr,va�pRNes�wm ❑ (CUP ALL LOCATiONS FOR SIGNATURE) Approving the Mazch 21, 2000, decisions of the Legislative Hearing Officer on Property Code Enforcement Appeals for the following addresses: 790 Laurel Avenue; 1264 Davern Street; 1445, 1457, 1461, 1471, 1477, 1485, 1491, 1501, 1507, 1511, 1517, 1527, 1533, 1539, 1545 St. Paul Avenue; 11 Kellogg Boulevazd East; and 1186, 1188 Seventh Street East. a PLANNING COMMISSION CIB CAMMRTEE CML SERVICE COMMISSION Fiac tlus P�� e�er v.orked urxler a cmtract forthis tlepartmenl? VFS NO Hes th"s oe�saNhm ever been e dlY emvbvee? YES MO Dcec Mis PmspJfxm D�s a slo7 rwt namelHP� M�Y ��� �Y �PbYee7 YE3 I� k mis pnswJfiim a tarpefea venAa? YES NO ffilach to arcen ahee[ ti r� ;�4 � f;� � OF SOURCE COET/ItEVENUE BUD6ETED (GRCLE ONE) it#7 � ACTNITY NUYBER [ �L.:".Slid QO _�l7 NOTES OF TI� PROPERTY CODE ENFORCEMENT MEETING Tuesday, Mazch 21, 2000 Room 330 Courthouse Gerry Strathman, Legislafive Hearing Officer STAFF PRESENT: Pat Fish, Fire Prevention; Phillip Owens, Fire Prevention The meeting was called to order at 10:00 a.m. 790 Laurel Avenue Gerry Strathman stated this issue has been resolved. (Withdrawn) 1264 Davern Street: 1445.1457, I461,1471.1477,1485,1491,1501.1507,1511,1517,1527, 1533,1539.1545 S� Paul Avenue; Robert O. Mast for Davern Park Realtv Com an� Michael Vos, agent for Davern Realty, appeared and stated they aze appealing the order for replacing the fire rated doors to the boiler rooms on all 16 of these buildings. Pat Fish reported the doors open into the hallway. One option is to put a sprinkler head over the boiler, which would eliminate the need for a one hour separation. Another option is to install hard wired smoke detectors. Mr. Strathman asked did he speak to Carl Camparoni, the inspector, about options. Mr. Vos responded they did and he advised replacing the doors or steel cladding the doors. The cost of doing 16 buildings is expensive. The e�sting doars aze original to the building and were built according to code. They had been approved in previous inspections. The buildings haue 12 units. It would be easy for anyone to exit quickly. The buildings are about a block away from a fire station. There haue been no problems with the doors since they have had the building. When the doors have needed replacing, they have been replaced with upgraded doors. What is the fire resistant rating of the current doors, asked Mr. Strathman. Mr. Vos responded he did not know, but they aze standazd wooden doors. Ms. Fish responded normally there is not a rating on these types of doors. Mr. Strathman asked how big of a threat or a danger is this issue. Ms. Fish responded it is a containment issue. The state fire code requires a one hour separation between the boiler room and the hallway to protect the exiting of the tenants. If there was a fire in the boiler room and in the hallway, would the tenants still have egress, asked Mr. Strathman. Mr. Vos responded the boiler is situated in the middle of the hallway. There is a doorway leading up one half flight of stairs on both sides. There aze four units on each floor. The doors to each of those units aze within three steps to the exit door. ao -a93 PROPERTY CODE ENFORCEMENT NOTES OF 3-21-2000 Page 2 If the boiler room and the hallway were involved in a fire, asked Mr. Strathman, no one would be denied safe egress. Mr. Vos responded in the affirmative. Gerry Strathman's decision is as follows: Upon verification that there is safe egress, a variance is granted on the nonconforming doors in a1116 buildings with the following conditions: 1) when the nonconfonniug doors need to be replaced, they will be replaced with confornung fire rated doors, 2) the building must otherwise be in compliance. (Note: Fire Department Inspector Mike Urmann informed Gerry Strathman on March 28 that a reinspection was conducted, and it was found that there is not safe egress for all tenants in case of a boiler room fire. Therefore, Mr. Strathman changed his decision to denial of the appeal.) 11 Kellogg Boulevard East Jerry McCoy, Director of Security/Loss Prevention for Radisson Hotel Saint Paul, appeazed and stated they are appealing two issues. 1) They are under major renovation on numerous floors, which includes the main lobby and the lobby baz. The bar and the front desk have been temporarily moved into the Kellogg Suite, in the east end of the building. Kellogg Suite 1, which is more towards Kellogg Boulevazd, is now the temporary lobby for the front desk. Kellogg Suites 2 and 3 are being used as a temporary bar. The back hallway is fairly long. There aze two desks for the office manager and the assistant manager plus some front office supplies. Mr. McCoy is asking for a variance for a short period of time for that area. He can keep a 36 or 48 inch pathway clear. Renovations for the lobby bar and front desk are slated to be finished Apri15; however, there is always a delay in construction so April 15 may be more realistic. 2) The pathway going to the command center is being used for storage of chairs, tables, etc. against the wall. He can keep a 36 inch path clear, stated Mr. McCoy, but he cannot do more than that until after conshuction is done. That area is slated to be finished mid June. There are no spots currently to place those items. The hallway is fire sprinkled. This is a$9 Million renovation to bring the hotel up to date, stated Mr. McCoy. Ms. Fish reported she visited the hotel for reinspection. It is a bad situation on the lower level. A meeting room has changed to a lobby azea. Two doors are blocked there. The masimum number of people in the room is probably about ten. It has a lighted exit sign, but the exit is not auailable. They should cover that exit sign. In the bar area, stated Ms. Fish, there was storage in the exit way behind the bar and there was fiirniture in front of the door with the exit sign right above it. Therefore, the exit is blocked pius there is combusrible starage in the exit way. The lower level hallway leading to the fire command center has storage on both sides of the hallway. A 36 inch pathway is not much. It is also the e�t out of the meeting rooms on that level. So in an emergency, people would be exiting the meeting rooms while firefighters and security personnel would be going the opposite direction. Also, there is combustible storage an-�� PROPERTY CODE ENFORCEMENT NOTES OF 3-21-2000 Page 3 present, and the sprinkler system is not designed for storage occupancy, but for furniture and people. Ms. Fish suggested using some spare rooms or storing some items off site. Mr. McCoy stated in some respects Ms. Fish is correct. That is why he is asking for a variance of a short period. Mr. Strathman stated there is no dispute that the current situation is not what it is suppose to be. This goes before the City Council on Apri15; therefore, this matter is almost moot. By then, the renovation will be virtually fuushed with respect to the baz and registration area. Mr. Strathman is more concerned about the hallway to the fire deparisnent command center, which will be that way unfil mid June. When the bar and registration desk renovation are completed, Mr. Strathman asked, is there a possibility of moving some storage from the command center hall to that area. Mr. McCoy responded groups are booked well in advance, and he doesn't know if that room is rented. He will look into it. Gerry Strathman denied the appeal. The Fire Department's orders aze correct and reasonable. It appears the appeals process will take care of the problem of time with respect to the registration area and bar. As for the hallway to the fire command center, that is a hazardous situation. 1186 and 1188 Seventh Street East Wilfred Menard, owner, appeazed and stated he would like more time, maybe another two months. (Mr. Owens showed Mr. Strathman some photographs of the property.) Mr. Owens stated this is a long term situation. A team inspection was conducted, which produced 54 orders. In this case, the City would only be protracting the inevitable by granting additional time. This has become a neighborhood issue. What assurances are there that the problem would be remedied if given additional time, asked Mr. Strathman. Mr. Menard responded he could have it done in a couple of months. Mr. Strathman asked when the orders were issued. Mr. Owens responded a month ago. Mr. Strathman asked why it took so long to repair broken windows. Mr. Menazd responded the windows aze not the big issues. The electrical, plumbing, and furniture are the biggest issues. He is trying to get a grant and the fellow in charge of grants told him not to do anything until it is approved because previous repairs will not be paid for. Mr. Owens asked has anything been done. Mr. Menazd responded the ground clamp has been replaced, some of the boards have been replaced, and the little room has been taken down. Mr. Strathman asked would Fire oppose any additional time to make repairs. Mr. Owens oa-�q3 PROPERTY CODE ENFORCEMENT NOTES OF 3-21-2000 Page 4 responded if they actvally thought the work wou2d get done, they would not oppose it. The history of this property would lead them to believe it would not get done. If an extension of time will be granted, Mr. Owens would like to conduct an inspection as scheduled on March 25 to check the progress, and then possibly give the owner a 30 day ea-tension. Mr. Strathman stated the Fire Departrnent can grant additional time whenever they feel it is appropriate, and Mr. Owen's proposal is reasonable. Gerry Strathman denied the appeal because of the number of issues unresolved and the questionable status of this properiy. Mr. Menard can continue to work with the Fire Department, and they may be agreeable to granting additionai time. The Fire DepartmenYs behavior in this matter is reasonable; therefore, there is no reason to grant the appeal. The meeting was adjourned at 2:03 p.m. � Council File # 00'�.43 OR�GINAL Presented Referred To RESOLUTION OF S,�(INT PAUL, MINNESOTA Green 5heet # 100409 �� Committee Date 1 BE IT RESOLVED, that the Council of the City of Saint Paul hereby certifies and approves the March 21, 2 2000, decision of the Legislative Hearing Officer on Properry Code Enforcement Appeals for the following 3 addresses: 4 Pro ero rtv Appealed 5 790 Laurel Avenue 6 (Withdrawn.) Aro elp lant Lawrence Walker 7 1264 Davem Street: 1445. 1457. 1461, 1471. 1477, 1485. 1491, Robert O. Mast for Davern Park Realty 8 1501, 1507. 1511, 1517. 1527, 1533, 1539, 1545 St. Paul Avenue: 9 Robert O. Mast for Dauern Park Realtv Company, 10 Decision: Appeal denied. 11 11 Kelloeg Boulevazd East 12 Decision: Appeal denied. 13 1186 and 1188 Seventh Street East 14 Decision: Appeal denied. Jerry McCoy for Radisson Hotel Saint Paul Wilfred Menard 1 Crreen Sheet 100409, Page 2 po -iq� 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 Yeas Nays Absent Blakey �/ Coleman i/ Harris ,/ Benanav ✓ Reiter ✓ Bostrom � Lantry � 6 6 Adopted by Council: Date Q�_'� S �p�+c7 �� � Adoption C ified by Council Secretary B y� � � � Approved by Mayor: i C L �(/ By. �� Requested by Deparknent o£ � Form Approved by City Attorney � Approved by Mayor for Submission to Council � 2 �o -a-°� a000 GREEN SHEET 266-8575 xwmat sort Rourvrc TOTAL # OF SICaNATURE PAGES m.enar�rc. ..,�, (�[� NO � Ls'v - : - 'J 7, ❑ atr�nouar ❑ a�reisuc ❑ wuxo��aExvraoa ❑ rrwew�a ❑rr,va�pRNes�wm ❑ (CUP ALL LOCATiONS FOR SIGNATURE) Approving the Mazch 21, 2000, decisions of the Legislative Hearing Officer on Property Code Enforcement Appeals for the following addresses: 790 Laurel Avenue; 1264 Davern Street; 1445, 1457, 1461, 1471, 1477, 1485, 1491, 1501, 1507, 1511, 1517, 1527, 1533, 1539, 1545 St. Paul Avenue; 11 Kellogg Boulevazd East; and 1186, 1188 Seventh Street East. a PLANNING COMMISSION CIB CAMMRTEE CML SERVICE COMMISSION Fiac tlus P�� e�er v.orked urxler a cmtract forthis tlepartmenl? VFS NO Hes th"s oe�saNhm ever been e dlY emvbvee? YES MO Dcec Mis PmspJfxm D�s a slo7 rwt namelHP� M�Y ��� �Y �PbYee7 YE3 I� k mis pnswJfiim a tarpefea venAa? YES NO ffilach to arcen ahee[ ti r� ;�4 � f;� � OF SOURCE COET/ItEVENUE BUD6ETED (GRCLE ONE) it#7 � ACTNITY NUYBER [ �L.:".Slid QO _�l7 NOTES OF TI� PROPERTY CODE ENFORCEMENT MEETING Tuesday, Mazch 21, 2000 Room 330 Courthouse Gerry Strathman, Legislafive Hearing Officer STAFF PRESENT: Pat Fish, Fire Prevention; Phillip Owens, Fire Prevention The meeting was called to order at 10:00 a.m. 790 Laurel Avenue Gerry Strathman stated this issue has been resolved. (Withdrawn) 1264 Davern Street: 1445.1457, I461,1471.1477,1485,1491,1501.1507,1511,1517,1527, 1533,1539.1545 S� Paul Avenue; Robert O. Mast for Davern Park Realtv Com an� Michael Vos, agent for Davern Realty, appeared and stated they aze appealing the order for replacing the fire rated doors to the boiler rooms on all 16 of these buildings. Pat Fish reported the doors open into the hallway. One option is to put a sprinkler head over the boiler, which would eliminate the need for a one hour separation. Another option is to install hard wired smoke detectors. Mr. Strathman asked did he speak to Carl Camparoni, the inspector, about options. Mr. Vos responded they did and he advised replacing the doors or steel cladding the doors. The cost of doing 16 buildings is expensive. The e�sting doars aze original to the building and were built according to code. They had been approved in previous inspections. The buildings haue 12 units. It would be easy for anyone to exit quickly. The buildings are about a block away from a fire station. There haue been no problems with the doors since they have had the building. When the doors have needed replacing, they have been replaced with upgraded doors. What is the fire resistant rating of the current doors, asked Mr. Strathman. Mr. Vos responded he did not know, but they aze standazd wooden doors. Ms. Fish responded normally there is not a rating on these types of doors. Mr. Strathman asked how big of a threat or a danger is this issue. Ms. Fish responded it is a containment issue. The state fire code requires a one hour separation between the boiler room and the hallway to protect the exiting of the tenants. If there was a fire in the boiler room and in the hallway, would the tenants still have egress, asked Mr. Strathman. Mr. Vos responded the boiler is situated in the middle of the hallway. There is a doorway leading up one half flight of stairs on both sides. There aze four units on each floor. The doors to each of those units aze within three steps to the exit door. ao -a93 PROPERTY CODE ENFORCEMENT NOTES OF 3-21-2000 Page 2 If the boiler room and the hallway were involved in a fire, asked Mr. Strathman, no one would be denied safe egress. Mr. Vos responded in the affirmative. Gerry Strathman's decision is as follows: Upon verification that there is safe egress, a variance is granted on the nonconforming doors in a1116 buildings with the following conditions: 1) when the nonconfonniug doors need to be replaced, they will be replaced with confornung fire rated doors, 2) the building must otherwise be in compliance. (Note: Fire Department Inspector Mike Urmann informed Gerry Strathman on March 28 that a reinspection was conducted, and it was found that there is not safe egress for all tenants in case of a boiler room fire. Therefore, Mr. Strathman changed his decision to denial of the appeal.) 11 Kellogg Boulevard East Jerry McCoy, Director of Security/Loss Prevention for Radisson Hotel Saint Paul, appeazed and stated they are appealing two issues. 1) They are under major renovation on numerous floors, which includes the main lobby and the lobby baz. The bar and the front desk have been temporarily moved into the Kellogg Suite, in the east end of the building. Kellogg Suite 1, which is more towards Kellogg Boulevazd, is now the temporary lobby for the front desk. Kellogg Suites 2 and 3 are being used as a temporary bar. The back hallway is fairly long. There aze two desks for the office manager and the assistant manager plus some front office supplies. Mr. McCoy is asking for a variance for a short period of time for that area. He can keep a 36 or 48 inch pathway clear. Renovations for the lobby bar and front desk are slated to be finished Apri15; however, there is always a delay in construction so April 15 may be more realistic. 2) The pathway going to the command center is being used for storage of chairs, tables, etc. against the wall. He can keep a 36 inch path clear, stated Mr. McCoy, but he cannot do more than that until after conshuction is done. That area is slated to be finished mid June. There are no spots currently to place those items. The hallway is fire sprinkled. This is a$9 Million renovation to bring the hotel up to date, stated Mr. McCoy. Ms. Fish reported she visited the hotel for reinspection. It is a bad situation on the lower level. A meeting room has changed to a lobby azea. Two doors are blocked there. The masimum number of people in the room is probably about ten. It has a lighted exit sign, but the exit is not auailable. They should cover that exit sign. In the bar area, stated Ms. Fish, there was storage in the exit way behind the bar and there was fiirniture in front of the door with the exit sign right above it. Therefore, the exit is blocked pius there is combusrible starage in the exit way. The lower level hallway leading to the fire command center has storage on both sides of the hallway. A 36 inch pathway is not much. It is also the e�t out of the meeting rooms on that level. So in an emergency, people would be exiting the meeting rooms while firefighters and security personnel would be going the opposite direction. Also, there is combustible storage an-�� PROPERTY CODE ENFORCEMENT NOTES OF 3-21-2000 Page 3 present, and the sprinkler system is not designed for storage occupancy, but for furniture and people. Ms. Fish suggested using some spare rooms or storing some items off site. Mr. McCoy stated in some respects Ms. Fish is correct. That is why he is asking for a variance of a short period. Mr. Strathman stated there is no dispute that the current situation is not what it is suppose to be. This goes before the City Council on Apri15; therefore, this matter is almost moot. By then, the renovation will be virtually fuushed with respect to the baz and registration area. Mr. Strathman is more concerned about the hallway to the fire deparisnent command center, which will be that way unfil mid June. When the bar and registration desk renovation are completed, Mr. Strathman asked, is there a possibility of moving some storage from the command center hall to that area. Mr. McCoy responded groups are booked well in advance, and he doesn't know if that room is rented. He will look into it. Gerry Strathman denied the appeal. The Fire Department's orders aze correct and reasonable. It appears the appeals process will take care of the problem of time with respect to the registration area and bar. As for the hallway to the fire command center, that is a hazardous situation. 1186 and 1188 Seventh Street East Wilfred Menard, owner, appeazed and stated he would like more time, maybe another two months. (Mr. Owens showed Mr. Strathman some photographs of the property.) Mr. Owens stated this is a long term situation. A team inspection was conducted, which produced 54 orders. In this case, the City would only be protracting the inevitable by granting additional time. This has become a neighborhood issue. What assurances are there that the problem would be remedied if given additional time, asked Mr. Strathman. Mr. Menard responded he could have it done in a couple of months. Mr. Strathman asked when the orders were issued. Mr. Owens responded a month ago. Mr. Strathman asked why it took so long to repair broken windows. Mr. Menazd responded the windows aze not the big issues. The electrical, plumbing, and furniture are the biggest issues. He is trying to get a grant and the fellow in charge of grants told him not to do anything until it is approved because previous repairs will not be paid for. Mr. Owens asked has anything been done. Mr. Menazd responded the ground clamp has been replaced, some of the boards have been replaced, and the little room has been taken down. Mr. Strathman asked would Fire oppose any additional time to make repairs. Mr. Owens oa-�q3 PROPERTY CODE ENFORCEMENT NOTES OF 3-21-2000 Page 4 responded if they actvally thought the work wou2d get done, they would not oppose it. The history of this property would lead them to believe it would not get done. If an extension of time will be granted, Mr. Owens would like to conduct an inspection as scheduled on March 25 to check the progress, and then possibly give the owner a 30 day ea-tension. Mr. Strathman stated the Fire Departrnent can grant additional time whenever they feel it is appropriate, and Mr. Owen's proposal is reasonable. Gerry Strathman denied the appeal because of the number of issues unresolved and the questionable status of this properiy. Mr. Menard can continue to work with the Fire Department, and they may be agreeable to granting additionai time. The Fire DepartmenYs behavior in this matter is reasonable; therefore, there is no reason to grant the appeal. The meeting was adjourned at 2:03 p.m. � Council File # 00'�.43 OR�GINAL Presented Referred To RESOLUTION OF S,�(INT PAUL, MINNESOTA Green 5heet # 100409 �� Committee Date 1 BE IT RESOLVED, that the Council of the City of Saint Paul hereby certifies and approves the March 21, 2 2000, decision of the Legislative Hearing Officer on Properry Code Enforcement Appeals for the following 3 addresses: 4 Pro ero rtv Appealed 5 790 Laurel Avenue 6 (Withdrawn.) Aro elp lant Lawrence Walker 7 1264 Davem Street: 1445. 1457. 1461, 1471. 1477, 1485. 1491, Robert O. Mast for Davern Park Realty 8 1501, 1507. 1511, 1517. 1527, 1533, 1539, 1545 St. Paul Avenue: 9 Robert O. Mast for Dauern Park Realtv Company, 10 Decision: Appeal denied. 11 11 Kelloeg Boulevazd East 12 Decision: Appeal denied. 13 1186 and 1188 Seventh Street East 14 Decision: Appeal denied. Jerry McCoy for Radisson Hotel Saint Paul Wilfred Menard 1 Crreen Sheet 100409, Page 2 po -iq� 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 Yeas Nays Absent Blakey �/ Coleman i/ Harris ,/ Benanav ✓ Reiter ✓ Bostrom � Lantry � 6 6 Adopted by Council: Date Q�_'� S �p�+c7 �� � Adoption C ified by Council Secretary B y� � � � Approved by Mayor: i C L �(/ By. �� Requested by Deparknent o£ � Form Approved by City Attorney � Approved by Mayor for Submission to Council � 2 �o -a-°� a000 GREEN SHEET 266-8575 xwmat sort Rourvrc TOTAL # OF SICaNATURE PAGES m.enar�rc. ..,�, (�[� NO � Ls'v - : - 'J 7, ❑ atr�nouar ❑ a�reisuc ❑ wuxo��aExvraoa ❑ rrwew�a ❑rr,va�pRNes�wm ❑ (CUP ALL LOCATiONS FOR SIGNATURE) Approving the Mazch 21, 2000, decisions of the Legislative Hearing Officer on Property Code Enforcement Appeals for the following addresses: 790 Laurel Avenue; 1264 Davern Street; 1445, 1457, 1461, 1471, 1477, 1485, 1491, 1501, 1507, 1511, 1517, 1527, 1533, 1539, 1545 St. Paul Avenue; 11 Kellogg Boulevazd East; and 1186, 1188 Seventh Street East. a PLANNING COMMISSION CIB CAMMRTEE CML SERVICE COMMISSION Fiac tlus P�� e�er v.orked urxler a cmtract forthis tlepartmenl? VFS NO Hes th"s oe�saNhm ever been e dlY emvbvee? YES MO Dcec Mis PmspJfxm D�s a slo7 rwt namelHP� M�Y ��� �Y �PbYee7 YE3 I� k mis pnswJfiim a tarpefea venAa? YES NO ffilach to arcen ahee[ ti r� ;�4 � f;� � OF SOURCE COET/ItEVENUE BUD6ETED (GRCLE ONE) it#7 � ACTNITY NUYBER [ �L.:".Slid QO _�l7 NOTES OF TI� PROPERTY CODE ENFORCEMENT MEETING Tuesday, Mazch 21, 2000 Room 330 Courthouse Gerry Strathman, Legislafive Hearing Officer STAFF PRESENT: Pat Fish, Fire Prevention; Phillip Owens, Fire Prevention The meeting was called to order at 10:00 a.m. 790 Laurel Avenue Gerry Strathman stated this issue has been resolved. (Withdrawn) 1264 Davern Street: 1445.1457, I461,1471.1477,1485,1491,1501.1507,1511,1517,1527, 1533,1539.1545 S� Paul Avenue; Robert O. Mast for Davern Park Realtv Com an� Michael Vos, agent for Davern Realty, appeared and stated they aze appealing the order for replacing the fire rated doors to the boiler rooms on all 16 of these buildings. Pat Fish reported the doors open into the hallway. One option is to put a sprinkler head over the boiler, which would eliminate the need for a one hour separation. Another option is to install hard wired smoke detectors. Mr. Strathman asked did he speak to Carl Camparoni, the inspector, about options. Mr. Vos responded they did and he advised replacing the doors or steel cladding the doors. The cost of doing 16 buildings is expensive. The e�sting doars aze original to the building and were built according to code. They had been approved in previous inspections. The buildings haue 12 units. It would be easy for anyone to exit quickly. The buildings are about a block away from a fire station. There haue been no problems with the doors since they have had the building. When the doors have needed replacing, they have been replaced with upgraded doors. What is the fire resistant rating of the current doors, asked Mr. Strathman. Mr. Vos responded he did not know, but they aze standazd wooden doors. Ms. Fish responded normally there is not a rating on these types of doors. Mr. Strathman asked how big of a threat or a danger is this issue. Ms. Fish responded it is a containment issue. The state fire code requires a one hour separation between the boiler room and the hallway to protect the exiting of the tenants. If there was a fire in the boiler room and in the hallway, would the tenants still have egress, asked Mr. Strathman. Mr. Vos responded the boiler is situated in the middle of the hallway. There is a doorway leading up one half flight of stairs on both sides. There aze four units on each floor. The doors to each of those units aze within three steps to the exit door. ao -a93 PROPERTY CODE ENFORCEMENT NOTES OF 3-21-2000 Page 2 If the boiler room and the hallway were involved in a fire, asked Mr. Strathman, no one would be denied safe egress. Mr. Vos responded in the affirmative. Gerry Strathman's decision is as follows: Upon verification that there is safe egress, a variance is granted on the nonconforming doors in a1116 buildings with the following conditions: 1) when the nonconfonniug doors need to be replaced, they will be replaced with confornung fire rated doors, 2) the building must otherwise be in compliance. (Note: Fire Department Inspector Mike Urmann informed Gerry Strathman on March 28 that a reinspection was conducted, and it was found that there is not safe egress for all tenants in case of a boiler room fire. Therefore, Mr. Strathman changed his decision to denial of the appeal.) 11 Kellogg Boulevard East Jerry McCoy, Director of Security/Loss Prevention for Radisson Hotel Saint Paul, appeazed and stated they are appealing two issues. 1) They are under major renovation on numerous floors, which includes the main lobby and the lobby baz. The bar and the front desk have been temporarily moved into the Kellogg Suite, in the east end of the building. Kellogg Suite 1, which is more towards Kellogg Boulevazd, is now the temporary lobby for the front desk. Kellogg Suites 2 and 3 are being used as a temporary bar. The back hallway is fairly long. There aze two desks for the office manager and the assistant manager plus some front office supplies. Mr. McCoy is asking for a variance for a short period of time for that area. He can keep a 36 or 48 inch pathway clear. Renovations for the lobby bar and front desk are slated to be finished Apri15; however, there is always a delay in construction so April 15 may be more realistic. 2) The pathway going to the command center is being used for storage of chairs, tables, etc. against the wall. He can keep a 36 inch path clear, stated Mr. McCoy, but he cannot do more than that until after conshuction is done. That area is slated to be finished mid June. There are no spots currently to place those items. The hallway is fire sprinkled. This is a$9 Million renovation to bring the hotel up to date, stated Mr. McCoy. Ms. Fish reported she visited the hotel for reinspection. It is a bad situation on the lower level. A meeting room has changed to a lobby azea. Two doors are blocked there. The masimum number of people in the room is probably about ten. It has a lighted exit sign, but the exit is not auailable. They should cover that exit sign. In the bar area, stated Ms. Fish, there was storage in the exit way behind the bar and there was fiirniture in front of the door with the exit sign right above it. Therefore, the exit is blocked pius there is combusrible starage in the exit way. The lower level hallway leading to the fire command center has storage on both sides of the hallway. A 36 inch pathway is not much. It is also the e�t out of the meeting rooms on that level. So in an emergency, people would be exiting the meeting rooms while firefighters and security personnel would be going the opposite direction. Also, there is combustible storage an-�� PROPERTY CODE ENFORCEMENT NOTES OF 3-21-2000 Page 3 present, and the sprinkler system is not designed for storage occupancy, but for furniture and people. Ms. Fish suggested using some spare rooms or storing some items off site. Mr. McCoy stated in some respects Ms. Fish is correct. That is why he is asking for a variance of a short period. Mr. Strathman stated there is no dispute that the current situation is not what it is suppose to be. This goes before the City Council on Apri15; therefore, this matter is almost moot. By then, the renovation will be virtually fuushed with respect to the baz and registration area. Mr. Strathman is more concerned about the hallway to the fire deparisnent command center, which will be that way unfil mid June. When the bar and registration desk renovation are completed, Mr. Strathman asked, is there a possibility of moving some storage from the command center hall to that area. Mr. McCoy responded groups are booked well in advance, and he doesn't know if that room is rented. He will look into it. Gerry Strathman denied the appeal. The Fire Department's orders aze correct and reasonable. It appears the appeals process will take care of the problem of time with respect to the registration area and bar. As for the hallway to the fire command center, that is a hazardous situation. 1186 and 1188 Seventh Street East Wilfred Menard, owner, appeazed and stated he would like more time, maybe another two months. (Mr. Owens showed Mr. Strathman some photographs of the property.) Mr. Owens stated this is a long term situation. A team inspection was conducted, which produced 54 orders. In this case, the City would only be protracting the inevitable by granting additional time. This has become a neighborhood issue. What assurances are there that the problem would be remedied if given additional time, asked Mr. Strathman. Mr. Menard responded he could have it done in a couple of months. Mr. Strathman asked when the orders were issued. Mr. Owens responded a month ago. Mr. Strathman asked why it took so long to repair broken windows. Mr. Menazd responded the windows aze not the big issues. The electrical, plumbing, and furniture are the biggest issues. He is trying to get a grant and the fellow in charge of grants told him not to do anything until it is approved because previous repairs will not be paid for. Mr. Owens asked has anything been done. Mr. Menazd responded the ground clamp has been replaced, some of the boards have been replaced, and the little room has been taken down. Mr. Strathman asked would Fire oppose any additional time to make repairs. Mr. Owens oa-�q3 PROPERTY CODE ENFORCEMENT NOTES OF 3-21-2000 Page 4 responded if they actvally thought the work wou2d get done, they would not oppose it. The history of this property would lead them to believe it would not get done. If an extension of time will be granted, Mr. Owens would like to conduct an inspection as scheduled on March 25 to check the progress, and then possibly give the owner a 30 day ea-tension. Mr. Strathman stated the Fire Departrnent can grant additional time whenever they feel it is appropriate, and Mr. Owen's proposal is reasonable. Gerry Strathman denied the appeal because of the number of issues unresolved and the questionable status of this properiy. Mr. Menard can continue to work with the Fire Department, and they may be agreeable to granting additionai time. The Fire DepartmenYs behavior in this matter is reasonable; therefore, there is no reason to grant the appeal. The meeting was adjourned at 2:03 p.m. �