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86-554 WHITE - CITY CLERK PINN� - FlNANCE G I TY O F SA I NT PA iT L Co ncil � - CANqRY - DEPARTMENT FIl NO• �� BLUE - MAVOR • un i lut n . �- �J '} Presented By __ . Referred To Committee: Da Out of Committee By Da WHEREAS , Nordquist Sign Co. applied for a ign variance under the provisions of Section 64.409 of the Sain Paul Legis- lative Code to the Planning Commission of the C ty of Saint Paul for the purpose of allowing five signs to each project three feet on property located at 376 Jackson treet, Saint Paul , Minnesota, and legally described as Lots , 7 , 8 and 9, Block 13 , Whitney and Smith' s Addition and Lo s 1 through 12, Block 9, of said Addition; and WHEREAS , following a public hearing with notic to affected property owners the Planning Commission by its R solution No. 86-13 adopted February 28, 1986 denied the said application for variance of the provisions of the sign ordinance ut permitted the applicant to retain a directional sign over he entrance to the public parking ramp on Fifth Street under t e parameters of the City' s proposed Pathfinder Signage Program is determined and the program implemented based upon the follow'ng findings of fact: (1) Variances of sign regulations may be approved by the Planning Commission if there are unusual conditio s pertaining to the building or lot and in this case the applican has failed to provide evidence of unusual conditions which w uld justify hardship and variance. (2) Section 66.201 (1 ) states that no sign shal be erected where it may mislead or confuse traffic. Two of he proposed signs on Sixth Street are 30 feet apart, their co tent is not of a public information nature. Signs which are clo ely spaced, contain information of interest to a small populati n yet appear visually identical in color, logo, size , to the pro osed public parking sign may act to confuse or mislead traffic a d therefore be a detriment to the public safety. COUNCILMEN Requested by Department of Yeas p�� Nays � Masanz [n Favor Nicosia Scheibel � Sonnen A g81 n s t BY Tedesco Wilson Form Approved City Atto ey Adopted by Council: Date Certified Yassed by Council Secretary BY By �� Approved by Mavor: Date Approved by Mayor for Submi sion to Council BY BY WHITE - CITV CLERK PINK - FINANCE GITY OF SAINT YAUL Co ncil r CANARV - D�EPARTMENT FI1 NO• �� `� � BLUE - MAVOR � S � U T I O N � i�� Or inance N 0. �'1"�.��•�� Presented By Referred To Committee: Da e Out of Committee By Da e (3) Galtier Plaza is located in the Lower own Heritage Preservation District. Structures there are distinguished by their boxy profiles . The signage on buildings in this area is generally facade or window type which does ot interfere with the boxy element of the buildings. A ho izontal sign reinforces the mass and the scale of the historic st uctures . (4) There are alternative ways to attach th signs which will be consistent with the code and which will pr ide adequate access to the sign information. (5) Only one sign, located on Fifth Street, is a public parking sign and all other signs are for a limited a ience. (6) The signs are inconsistently attached to the building and at a height which would be blocked by street tree foliage. WHEREAS, pursuant to the provisions of Se tion 64. 205 Norquist Sign Co. duly filed with the City Cler its appeal from the determination made by the Planning Commissi n requesting that a hearing be held before the City Council for the purpose of determining whether the actions of the said Planni g Commission were proper and correct; and WHEREAS , acting pursuant to Sections 64.205 t rough 64.208 and upon notice to appellant and other affected pr erty owners a public hearing was duly conducted by the Cit Council on April 17, 1986 where all interested parties were gi n an oppor- tunity to be heard; and WHEREAS , the Council , having heard the stat ments made, and having considered the variance application, the report of staff, the minutes and findings of the zoni g committee COUNC[LMEN Requested by Department of. Yeas Nays Drew Nicosia ln Favor — Rettman Scheibel Against BY Sonnen Tedesco Wilson Adopted by Council: Date Form Approved by City Attor ey Certified Passed by Council Secretary BY By Approved by Mayor: Date Approved by Mayor for Submi sion to Council By By WHIYE - CITV CIERK � PIN�( - FINANCE GITY OF SAINT PAUL �Cou cii /l's � CANAffV�- DEPARTMENT �� FII NO. a v �� BLUE - MAVOR o �cil Resolution Presented B ��'^"`+�' � Y Referred To Committee: Dat Out of Committee By Dat and of the Planning Commission, does hereby • RESOLVE, that the Council of the City of Sai t Paul does hereby affirm the decision of the Planning Com ission made in this matter and does hereby concur in the find' gs and con- clusions made and determined by said Planning Com ission; and, be it FURTHER RESOLVED, that the appeal of Nordqu st Sign Co. be and is hereby denied; and, be it FURTHER RESOLVED, that the City Clerk shall mail a copy of this resolution to Nordquist Sign Co. , the Zoning dministrator and the Planning Commission. -3- COUNCILMEN Requested by Department o : Yeas p�� Nays � � ��'`�'a'� In Favor 1�licvsia-+ Scheibel svR�sr.., � A gai n s t BY Tedesco YMilsrnr� Adopted by Council: Date MAY 1 - �S6 Form Approv y City Att ney Certified Pas b C cil ecr BY By A►ppr by Ylavor: Date MAY - Approved Mayor for Sub ssion to Council BY " BY PlIBLISHED MAY 3 1986 �p '�� ' , ,�,, �l1`—�� R��C1TY �°; C TY OF SAINT PAUL � � a DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING AND ECO OMIC DEVELOPMENT � IIIIII IIIII ro `v� t°� �� ' DIVISION OF PLANNING ,s,• 25 West Fourth treet,Saint Paul,Minnesota,55102 612-292-1577 GEORGE LATIMER MAYOR April 7, 1986 Albert Olson, City Clerk Room 386, City Hall St. Paul, MN 55102 RE: Zoning File #9888 - Nordquist Sign/Mears Park Development Co. City Council Hearing: April 17, 1986 PURPOSE: To appeal a decision of the Planning Commission which deni d a sign variance to allow five directional signs to extend beyond a maximum permitted pr jection of one foot. PLANNING COMMISSION DECISION: Unanimous Denial ZONING COMMITTEE DECISION: Unanimous Denial STAFF RECOMMENDATION: Deny SUPPORT: None OPPOSITION: None Dear Sir: On February 20, 1986 the Zoning Committee of the Planning Commissio held a public hear- ing on this variance. The petitioner testified. At the close of the public earing, the Com- mittee voted 4 to 0 to deny the variance application. On February 28, 1986 the Planning Commission upheld the Zoning Com ittee's recommenda- tion on a unanimous voice vote. This appeal is scheduled to be heard by the City Council on April 17, 19 6. Please notify me by April 15, 1986 if any member of the City Council wishes to have slid of the site presented at the public hearing. Sincerely, z' P:;; �.:; � (�nnr�v�� = �-� .::� � ;,.; � Donna Datsko �� Planner II �a � .�� . 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STAFF INVESTIGATION AND REPORT: DATE: 4-3-86 BY: Do na Datsko �ma��cc�=c�====c�=c��=�c====��___�________�_____��_��cma ��==��cc�=a�xs� x=xs�sac�==-----�------ ��-��--- --�____---�-----�c�xa�xms s3==�n�c==�a�=o= ��____��_��xx�_______--�____ �__��___ A. PURPOSE: To seek a variance from the maximum projection of 12 inche permitted by the sign regulations in a B-4 zone to a proposed projection of 3 feet for each f five directional signs. B. PARCEL SIZE: Approximately 300' on Sibley X 423' to equal 126,000 sq are feet or 2.92 acres. C. EXISTING LAND USE: The block is developed as Galtier Plaza, a mixe commercial- residential development. D. SURROUNDING LAND USE: North: Commercial East: Park South: Commercial West: Commercial E. ZONING CODE CITATION: Section 66.207(3) states: "Signs shall be per itted to project a maximum of 12 inches over public sidewalks and rights-of-way from the building line." Section 66.409 states: "The Planning Commission shall have the authority o grant variances from the strict applications of this chapter for unique signs or unusual c nditions pertaining to sign needs for specific building or lot, provided such signs would not e contrary to the general intent of this chapter, would not create a hazard, would not viol te Minnesota State Statutes for rules and regulations developed pursuant thereto, would not e objectionable to adjacent property owners, would not adversely affect residential propert through excessive glare and lighting and provided that the signs would be in keeping with he general character of the surrounding area. The Commission may not grant a variance that ould permit the sign within a zoning district which is not otherwise permitted in that zo ing district under the provisions of this chapter." F. FINDINGS: 1. Applicant proposes positioning five directional signs, 4'3" X 3' each, djacent to the Gal- tier Plaza vehicular entrances on Fifth and Sixth Streets. Each sign ould include the Galtier logo, a directional arrow and other information (see attachm nt). 2. Variances of sign regulations may be approved by the Planning Com ission if there are unusual conditions pertaining to the build:na or !3t ._:hich cr�;�tes z ardship to comply with the strict provision of the zoning code. In this case, the applic nt has provided no . evidence of unusual conditions which would indicate hardship. 3. Fifth and Sixth Streets carry significant levels of east-west traffic t rough the city. The addition of a directional sign which would promote new public par 'ng facilities could improve traffic circulation and safety. 4. Section 66.201(l) states that no sign shall be erected where it may m lead or confuse traffic. Two of the proposed signs (9B and ]OB) on sixth street are 0 feet apart and their content is not of a public information nature (see attachment). Sign which are closely spaced, contain information of interest to a small population, yet ap ear visually identical--in color, logo, size--to the proposed public parking sign m y act to confuse or misiead traffic and therefore be a detriment to public safcty. . . � � �s� ` File �r9844 Page Two 5. The signs on Fifth Street are attached to the building at inconsistent h ights. Moreover, the street tree foliage will block the signage from vehicles moving east 6. There are a variety of alternatives to the proposed sign placement whi h would not require a variance and which would be more effective than the propos d placement (see attachment). 7. Galtier Plaza is located in the Lowertown Heritage Preservation Distri t. The structures there are distinguished by their boxy profiles. The signage on buildin s in this area is generally facade or window type which does not interfere with the bo y element of the buildings. The Heritage Preservation Commission has approved the si ns because (1) plans were approved for the building prior to designation; and (2) the igns are on new construction. � 8. The signs do not violate Minnesota Statutes or rules and regulations. G. STAFF RECOMMENDATION: Signs, at best, should increase the ability the viewer to shut off undesired messages or to get more information which can be tailored t his/her needs. Signage directly affects efficiency and safety of traffic flow and is critic 1 to the viewer's orientation. Signs help to enable the receiver to understand the basic stru ture and function of the city. Thus, public and private signs can be seen to form an environ ental information system which necessitates a public effort to establish priorities and param ters. Prior to the adoption of the sign regulations and their subsequent amend nts, St. Paul ex- perienced a plethora of projecting signs that were detrimental to the imag of the city. While some offensive signs may yet remain, and the types of downtown business s have changed (necessitating different sign requirements), it cannot be argued that the vi ual impact of downtown signage has greatly improved during that time. Therefore, any variance of the sign regulations must be critically analyzed in the context of the individual ca e to the environ- mental information system established by city policy.- In this case, Galtier Plaza signs were designed by a sign consultant, reflec the logo and color scheme of the project and do not initially appear out of scale with the ma sive quality of the . building. However, appearance alone of the proposed signs should not obs ure the intent, and subsequent results, of the zoniag code nor the requirements for variances hich demand a sig- nificant indication of hardship. At the same time, the Planning Commissi n must examine the need to reduce motorist's confusion and the perception that downtown is difficuit space to negotiate. The staff has developed a draft comprehensive downtown signage progra called the Path- finder Signage Program. The section which relates to public parking is at ached. This program is designed to reduce motorist confusion and heighten awareness f public parking facilities by establishing a uniform parking sign design which would be 1 cated on or at all public use parking ramps, lots and garages. If the sign regulations are to e varied for park- ing ramp signs, then the signs should conform to a specified and uniform esign. The Plan- '. ning Commission has endorsed the Pathfinder Signage Program; other int ested groups are reviewing it and working with Planning staff to determine its implement tion. H. STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS: Based on findings 2, 4, 5, 6, and the staf analysis, staff recommends denial of this sign variance request. However, to facilitate p blic perception of available parking at Galtier Plaza, it is further recommended that the ap licant be permitted to retain the directional sign over the entrance to the public parking ram (designated lOC on the site plan) until the parameters of the city's proposed Pathfinder Signa e Program is determined and the program is implemented. , �, P c. �,... `� . . � : � , � ` / '" \\�i�� -�� • Q.� • �,�� P ,� � ► ' Q � � i i '�� . �,. ,'L � , 69 '�� / 'y � , � \ . � � ,�� . \ � � ,�� ► �� .�C� 1 O�j / � .� � � ► � v �%��\ \\ �� ► � �.9 J � � � � /� q� : �\Q � ,� , ` �tS� � � , � :: I • , O '► . � ` � ' ` 'L ` . . • � -� �y�• - .� � � � � y�Q►.. .: , .L�9 y0 .'�� t�� k �,:` ;�,. J , �Q y � �°� 02 .A `c � '�P� ., �� . � J . Q v_� ,, �+.. .� --•r-� � �� Q �� ,.'" �� r . � � c' , /C' '� f;:, .Q 5 r � � • J � � P J , / � �.—� _ • I � �� • ,• � � � � J s Q � ; ��`', '� • � )` � ��`` `� ,` � ' \ i � � � \ �i \ J � '� •. ` . . . 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' . , �,= � -�-sy � ,, , APPLICATION FOR APPEAL ZONING OFFICE SE ON Y CITY OF SAINT PAUL �' ) ri File # � C� � -: Application Fe � !�`'� �-3 � d �� Tentative Hear'ng Date `- l/ 7 Application is hereby made for an Appeal to the City of St. Pau /zoning office under the provisions of Chapter 64, Section 66 .4 Paragraph of the oning ode to appeal a deci ' ' g Appeals nd 66. 207 � Planning Commission on 2-28 , 1�$�. _ Zoning Administrator (d te of decision) , _ Planning Administrator _ Other . A. APPELLANT r�. � Name Nordquist Sign Co./Meai� Park Dev. Co. Ddyti e phone 623-9739 es a e Qn�� ain S .E. Address ripls . , NIN 55408 Mpls . , MSI 55�14 Zip de 6. DECISION BEING APPEALED � !�;C� �' _ "� Zoning fi le name Sign Var�i�ance (present Zonin� B-4) Zoni Fi le # 9844 Property Address/Location 376 Jackson , St . Paul, ?KN Legal description Lots 6, 7 ,8 , 9, Block 13 , Whitney and Sm th' s Addn, and Lots - , oc C. GROUNOS FOR APPEAL (Use additional sheets if necessary.) (Explain why you feel there has been an error in any requirement, permit, decision or refusal made by an administrative official, or an error in fa t, procedure or finding made by the Board of Zoning Appeals or the Plannin Comnission.) Our rounds for a eal are as follows : T'(also see att ched additional sheet) g PP 1) The projecting signage as proposed is relat ve to the scale and design of the project . 2) The proposed projection of 3 ' for the 5 si s allows reater visability and therefore would improve,t ic� regulation and ` '"� ' " ,� safety. If you have any questions, please contact: .;.�.�wc,� • licant's gn ur � � St. Paul Zoning Office jj� � � 1100 City Hall Annex 25 West Fourth Street � � Saint Paul , Minnesota 55102 � ate City agent (298-4154) g�82 � "''; , 't � r { e^"n no,.. ;S p� ��3 Q/� i i.a, �+�' �•d a��iY�� b �f�o�e l�iw L5v�� , �� -.�y ` ADDITIONAL PAG� TO APPLICATION FOR APPEAL - Nordquis SiSn Co. ,, , ZONING FILE # 98�4 C. 3) The proposed signage design has previously be n approved by the Heritage Preservation Commiss on. 4) The signs as specified to not violate the Mi nesota Statntes or rules and regulations . i ��'��'�� a �C 4' SS , , , . , . � . - _ . . ..i .�. . ' .. � . , .� � � . . � , . '. . , . ��- ,�Jrr � city of saint paul planning commission resolution file number date WHEREAS, the Saint Paul Planning Corrmission has adopted the Dow town Framework for Develo�ment: 1985-1990 which recommends improved signage o routes t at connec�major es ina ions with each other and with parking fac lities; and WHEREAS, the Saint Paul Planning Commission has developed and r eommended adoption of the Downtown Parkin Plan which recomnends the adop ion and implementation o a at in er ignage Program to direct visito s to appropriate parking f acilities; and WHEREAS, the City, with the cooperation of the Saint Paul Downt wn Council , has developed a Pathfinder Signage Program for downtown; and WHEREAS, clear freeway signage is needed for improved access to downtown; and WHEREAS, the State Capitol is an important destination for visi ors, requiring strong linkage to downtown; NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that the Saint Paul Planning Co ission endorses implementation of the Pathfinder Signage Program in wntown Saint Paul; and FURTHER, that the Saint Paul Planning Comnission recommends to the planning , staff, the development of the State Capitol component of the P thfinder System with the Capitol Area Architecture and Planning Board, d development of the freeway component of the Pathfinder Program with the Mi nesota Department of Transportation. moved by � � seconded by in fav�or._._— against—. , . - , . , ' �d"�� 5� •, , IDENTIFIED AREAS AND FACILITIES � There are three identified areas of downtown in the Pathfin er System: 1. 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The signs must lead the motorist through a hierarchy of ecisions, from a downtown entrance, to an identified area, to a specific acility, and then to a parking ramp available for public use. 2. The signs should distinguish areas from one another and einforce identification of facilities with their respective area ocations. 3. The signs must be easily recognizable and understandable from a distance adeyuate for decision-makiny. General Recommendations , 1. Four types of signs shall make up the hierarchy: a. area signs b. facility signs c. parkiny direction signs d. parkiny facility signs ; 2. The area and facility signs shall be color-coded to area. No logos are recor�nended. Proposed colors are: a. Rice Park Area - olive yreen b. Central District - dark blue c. Lowertown - buryundy d. State Capitol - dark brown (existing Capitol area si naye color) 3. In addition to color, shape and graphic elements of the iyns shall be distinct from traffic signs. Serif lower case letteriny is recommended for its distinctive and readable style. Field tests will assure readability. Specific Design Recommendations 1. Area Signs The general design of the proposed area direction signs 's shown in Figure 2. These siyns will direct the motorist to the desired rea of downtown. In addition to the direction signs, a few area arrival s'yns will be placed where doing so assists in orienting the motorists. The area signs will be white lettering on colored backgr und. 3 f , , , , � . ' C�° " �✓`-t �, Fi gure 2. . Area Si gns ' � � � � � I • ,� I I i � � / � � 2. Facility Siyns A sample of a proposed facility sign is shown in Figure 3. These signs direct the motorist to specified public facilities. Fi gure 3. , Fac i l i ty Si gn �CENTRAL DISTRI T . Q . . . � • � � � • . I 4 � � � �s�� • � , In the facility signs, the area name is repeated as a h ader, highlighted ' ' by colored lettering on a white background. The facili y names are listed in white letters on colored background. The destination facilities themselves are adequately si ned and there appears to be no need for additional arrival signage to be included in the Pathfinder system. 3. Parking Direction Sign The parking direction sign, shown in Figure 4, will dir ct the motorist to parking ramps available for public use. These would be posted separately from the Pathfinder signs. 4. Parking Facility Sign The parkiny facility sign itself (Figure 5) repeats the design of the � parkiny direction sign, but will be mounted on the exte ior of the ramp near its entrance and be internally illuminated. Both parking signs are designed with a standard "P" in hite within a blue circle, on a contrasting brown background. Figure 4. , Parking Direction Sign Figure 5. , Par ing Facility Sign : / i � / ,y SPs `�^, � . . . � �^Cq." i kc�� % .�. $rc�:^a Ne"� � k�`E.:. .' ��` k'� 3 � � .z� �. �� .�: � � :r � .<..V-,,,.,, •�-�.. ss� �x. . .«r. .:;6.��y_g�; ��. .R�+�O.O '�.� � / ,�;r. �� :� x j� +'�• ; ��)�c ;.�, �:7h a�;. . •.r`:.�fr� � . •?rx :{i'.j:Sii}�S. .a,..'p,y'"�t saL�'w"f�,` .y::.±AV�• S� � �, k.;, r..S..i�" � Y]' ' < . '�'^�E �� E Y w.,3.. .i.. �..�� .%:''P..C+�� .�'3� `��.:. 'aZ.:. I � / 5 , � . � �/=��SS� , SIGN LOCATION ' The signs, generally designed as recomnended above, are to located within downtown� according to these guidelines: 1. The system shall mark paths from all likely downtown en rances to all areas, rather than being limited to the preferred �entra es proposed in the freeway component of the Program. The more complet system will serve multi-purpose trips, provide back-up for false turns, a reinforce the spatial relationship among Lhe three areas. 2. Along the paths, signs will be located at decision point . The system initially directs the motorist to one of the downtown a as, and then, once in the area, to specific facilities. The one exception to this convention is the Civic Cente� which is a major . traffic generator and needs broader exposure. Facility igns for the Civic Center will be located along with the Rice Park Ar a signage. 3. Specific location for area, facility and parking directio siyns shall be chosen based upon field surveys of sight distance, compet ng signs and signals, and availability of poles for mounting. 4. Parkiny facility signs shall be located at all ent�ances f all parking ramps available for public use. Location Recommendations 1. The recommended pathways upon which the sign locations ar based are shown in Figures 6, 1 and 8. 2. The decision points at which siyns are indicated are inde ed in Figure 9. Appendix A lists the siynage content proposed at each loc tion. IMPLEMENTATION RECOMMENDATIUN 1. PEO Oesign and Public Works staff will field test to finalize design and survey intersections to refine locations. 2. The City will produce, install and maintain the area, fac lity and parking direction signs. 3. The Downtown Community and parking ramp owners will produ , install and maintain the illuminated parking ramp signs. The posting f the facility sign should be made a regulation of licensing. 6 ,, , ' i � . , . . . .. a .. , , . . . . 'T• -)` , -. . .. . . . -. , . ° ��"5 s� �, �,,�`,t` °• �, CI Y OF SAINT PAUL o � a DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING AND ECON MIC DEVELOPMENT � iiit i�i ii o +� ^ DIVISION Of PLANNING ,..• 25 West Fourth S reet,Saint Paul,Minnesota,55102 b12-2l2-1S77 GEORGE UTIMER MAYOR March 4, 1986 Mr. Steve Hertz Nordquist Sign Co. 312 W. Lake St. Mpls., MN 55408 Dear Mr. Hertz: On February 28, 1986, the Planning Commission, by a unanimous voice vo e denied your request to permit the sign regulations to be varied to allow five signs to ea h project three feet over the public right-of-way at your property located at 376 Jackson treet in St. Paul. However, the Planning Commission has determined that the directional si over the public parking ramp on Fifth Street may be retained until the City's proposed pa hfinder Signage Program is implemented. You may appeal the decision of the Planning Commission to the City Cou cil by filing an appeat application by March 18, 1986. The application is available fro this office and would require a fee of 180.00. Please call me at 292-1577, extension 295, if I can be of further assistance. Sincerely, � Ov�h o... 1_J a'f'S (�— Donna Datsko Planner II Zoning Section DD:Im Enclosure cc: ��,,�� on�ng Administrator License Inspector District 17 Community Council ; ,;� E . -�: .� '�. �' � ' , `,�': � • , ;: .., � � ; � . . � �� c�ty of saint paul planning commission resolution file number 86-13 �te Februarv 28. 1986 1VHEREAS, Nordquist Sign Co., file #9844 has applied for a Sign Variance nder the provisions of Scction 64.409 of the Saint Paul Legislative Codc, for the purpose of allowi g S signs to each projcct threc fcet on property located at 376 Jackson, lcgally described as L ts 6, 7, 8, and 9, Blk 13, Whitncy and Smith's Addn. and Lots 1-12, Blk 9; and WHEREAS, thc Zoning Committcc of the Planning Commission on Fcbruar 20, 1986 hcld a public hcaring at which all persons prescnt werc given an opportunity to be heard ursuant to said ap- plic�tion in accordancc with thc rcquircmcnts of Scction 64.300 oC thc Sain Paul Lcgislativc Codc; and �ti'HEREAS, Saint Paul Planning Commission, bascd on the evidence present d to its Zoning Com- mittcc at thc public hcaring as suUscqucntly rcflcctcd in thc minutes, madc hc following findings of fact: 1. Varianccs of sign regulations may Uc approvcd by the Planning Commi ion if there are unusual conditions pertaining to the Uuilding or lot. In this casc, the a licant has provided no cvidencc of unusual conditions which would indicate hardship. 2. Section 66.201(1) statcs that no sign shall bc erectcd where it may misle d or confusc traffic. Two of the proposcd signs (9B and lOB) on S;xth Street arc 30 fect apar ; thcir content is not of a public information nature. Signs which are closely spaced, contain information of inter- est to a small population, yet appear visually identical--in color, logo, si e--to the proposed puUlic parking sign may act to confuse or mislcad traffic and thcrcfore be a dctrimcnt to public safcty. 3. Galticr Plaza is locatcd in thc Lowcrtown Hcritage Preservation Distric . The structures there arc distinguished Uy thcir Uoxy profilcs. The signagc on Uuildings in th s arca is gcncrally facadc or window typc which docs not intcrfcrc with the Uoxy elcmcnt f thc Uuildings. ln fact, a horizontal sign rcinCorccs thc mass and thc scalc of the historic s ructures. 4. Therc are altcrnative ways to attach the signs wliich would be consisten with the code and which would provide adequatc access to xhe sign information. 5. Only onc sign, located on Fifth Street, is a public parking sign, all other signs are for a limited audiencc. 6. The signs are inconsistcntly attachcd to the Uuilding and at a height wh ch would be blocked by strcct trce foliagc. (continued) moved by Pangal . 5econded by Levy in fav�or Unan=o;�e �ote against_____ ; . � � . � � ��-.��-� city of saint paul planning commission resolution file number date NOW, 'THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, by the Saint Paul Planning Comm ssion, that under the authority of the City's Legislative Code, the application to vary the sign or inance for 376 Jack- son to permit five signs to each project three fect ovcr a public right-of-wa be denied. BE 1T' FUR"THER RESOLVED, that thc applicant bc permittcd to rctain th directional sign over . thc cntrancc to thc puUlic parking ramp on Fifth Strcct until thc paramctcr of thc City's proposcd Pathfindcr Signagc Program is dctcrmined and thc program implc cntcd. � moved by � seconded by in fav�or against- . . ,, �. . . � ��..s3� MINUTES OF THE ZONING COMMITTEE CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS, ST. PAUL, MINNESOTA ON FEBRU RY 20, 1986 PRESENT: Mmes. Morton and Summers, Messrs. Lanegran and Pangal of t e Zoning Committee; Mr. Segal, Assistant City Attorney; Ms. Lane of the Division of Housing and Build- ing Code Division; Ms. Murphy, Ms. Datsko and Mr. McGuire o the Planning Divi- sion staff. B ENT: Mmes. Tracy and Zieman; Messr. Galles and Levy 'The meeting was chaired by Joseph Pangal, Chairman. NQRDOUIST SiGN CO. (#98441: Sign variance for property located at 376 ackson to allow 5 signs to each project 3 feet. The applicant was present. There was no opposition present at the hearing. istrict 17'sent a let- ter which stated that a motion to grant the variance failed at the Council. Ms. Datsko showed slides of the site. She said that this case was laid over on the request of the applicant. She reviewed the presentation that Mr. West, Design and Enginee ing Division gave at the meeting held on January 16. She showed the committee illustrations sho ing the locations of the signs. She stated that the signs wcre not consistently placed on the build ng, that thcre were alternate ways to attach the signs to the building which would not require a ariance, and that the signs were difficult to read and would be blocked by the street trees' foliage Mr. Lanegran asked if the applicant has seen the alternate locations that the igns may be placed. Ms. Datsko stated no, that they were distributed at the January 16 meeting, ut the applicant was not present. Mike Conlan, project manager for Galtier Plaza, representing the applicant, tated that these signs were critical for showing the location of the service entrance, contract parki g, public parking and the drop-off entrance. He said that approximately 25-30 vans a day use he service entrance. He said he feels the sign consultants were too conservative in requesting tha the signs only project 3 feet, that they should probably project further. He said it would b a mistakc to mount � the signs on columns, that they would be lost. He said it is very important t at people be able to find where they want to go. He said that he would like the sign variance ap roved to avoid dif- ficulty with heavy traffic. He said that placement is the main concern, and o would be willing to review Mr. West's suggestions, but that the signs are very important for co venience and safety. . Hearing no further testimony, Mr. Pangal closed the public hearing portion f.the meting. � Ms. Summers moved denial of the sign variance based on findings 3, S, and and the staff analysis and further recommended that the applicant be permitted to rctain he directional sign over the entrance to the public parking ramp until the parameters of the cit 's proposed Path- finder Signage Program is determined and the program is implemented. Ms. orton seconded the � motion. Mr. Pangal asked if the Traffic Division of the Police Department ad any comment. Mr. McGuire stated they did not. The motion passed on a roll call vote of 4 to 0. Submitted by: Approved by: ON►r1 Gv�a Ml . 7'� .�.Q� .D �� ,� Donna Datsko oseph Pangal � . . l�/�—�d�" � T MINUTES OF THE ZONING COMt�ITTEE IN CITY COUNCIL CHA146ERS, ST. PAUL, MINNESOTA UN JNNUAR 16, 1986 PRESENT: Mmes. Morton, Summers, Tracy and Zieman; Messrs. Le y and Pangal of the Zoning Committee; Mr. Segal , Assistant City Att rney; Ms. Lane of the Division of Housing and Building Code Enforc ment; Ms. Synstegaard, Ms. Datsko, Mr. McGuire of the Plannin Division Staff, and Mr. West of the Design & Engineering Staff of P D. ABSENT: Messrs. Galles and Lanegran. The meetiny was chaired by Joseph Pangal , Chairman. NORDQUIST SIGN C0. (#9844) : To seek a variance from the maxi um projection of 12 inches permitted by the sign regulations in a B-4 zone to proposed projection of 3 feet for each of five directional siyns. The applicant was not present. There was opposition present t the hearing. Donna Datsko showed slides of the site and stated that wf�ethe or not the siyns are attractive is not the issue. One of the objectives to consider is the hardship. Mary Krueger, 245 E. 6th St., Downtown Community Development ouncil (OCDC) , stated that DCDC discussed Nordquist Sign Co, at their Decemb r meeting. They are concerned that if the variance is approved, they are yoin to have similar requests in the future. They do not find any evidence of har ship or indication that the signs need to be nonconforming. Mr. Pangal questioned Ms. Krueger that at the DCDC meeting a otion of approval was recomnended but voted ayainst. A denial was not brouyht up for vote again. Ms. Krueger answered that this was true. P�r. West showed pictures of the Nordyuist signs that he had t ken. He stated that the signs are invisible because of their placement, espe ially in relationship to the trees and they are difficult to read from a moving vehicle. He stated that the signs are not consistently attac ed to the buildiny and there is no need to project the sign out. If he had been contacted about the signs he would have recommended something different. He _ stated that he is involved with the City's Pathfinder Signage System. He explained that the system will help direct people, especially to parking. He showed a model of the circled P (parking sign) to the Cornnitt e. He stated that the circled P would be identification on the public park ng buildings and that the signs would be universal throughout the City. The circled P sign would be up to 3' in diameter depending on the building size. Mr. McGuire asked Mr. West how far the circled P sign would p oject in the right-of-way. Mr. West answered between 18 to 23" and that t ey would be mounted above head level . Mr. Pangal stated that Nordquist Sign Co. has asked for a lay ver. Hearing no further testimony, Mr. Pangal closed the public he ring portion of the meeting. , i , � . � �� NORDQUIST SIGN C0. (#9844) PAGE TWO Ms. Summers moved a layover until February 20, 1986 meeting t allow applicant to converse with DCDC, Lowertown and the zoning staff. Ms. T acy seconded the motion which Nassed o� a roll call vote of 6 to U. Submitted by: Approved by: ��'v1 N h.�� 5 (M/ N � / Donna Datsko ose Pangal , Cha' an . � . � (�---�-s� MINUTES OF THE ZONING COh1MITTEE IN CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS, ST. PAUL, MINNESOTA UN DECEMB R 19, 1985 PRESENT: Mmes. Tracy and Zieman; Messrs. Galles, Levy and Pa gal of the Zoning Corrnnittee; Mr. Segal , Assistant City Attorne ; Ms. Lar�e of tne Division of Housing and Building Code Enforceme t; Ms. Synstegaard, Ms. Datsko and Mr. McGuire of the Plan iny Division Staff. ABSENT: Mmes. Summers and Morton; Mr. Laneyran. The meetiny was chaired by Joseph Pangal , Chairman. NORDQUIST SIGN C0. (#9844) : To seek a variance from the maxi um projection of 12 inches permitted by the sign regulations in a B-4 zone to proposed projection of 3 feet for each of five directional signs. The applicant' s representative was present. There was no opp sition present at the hearing. Donna Datsko showed slides of the site and reviewed the staff report with a recommendation for denial . Mr. Steve Hertz, 312 W. Lake St. , stated that Nordquist ackno ledges they were wrong in putting up the overhanging signs. The intent of the signs is to make the public parking easily visible. Galtier Plaza covers one hole block and the signs would aide the public in finding them. Ms. Tracy asked if the signs say anythiny else besides parkin . Mr. Hertz answered that they do. One example is 'drop-off entrance' . Ms. Tracy asked if the signs could be flush with the building Mr. Hertz answered no because a person driving in an automobile would n t be able to see the signs if they were flush with the building above the open'ny. Ms. Tracy asked if Mr. Hertz was concerned with people drivin into the wrong openiny. Mr. Hertz answered yes. Mr. Levy stated he thinks the kind of signage used in front o Dayton' s would be a good approach. Mr. Hertz stated that the designer tried to work on somethiny that was pleasiny to the building. . Ms. Tracy stated that St. Paul is trying to be consistent wit their skyway and signage systems. She believes the parking signs should b consistent. Mr. Pangal asked Mr. Hertz if the company would be willing to remove the overhanging signs. Mr. Hertz stated that he could not answer for Galtier Plaza. Mr. Galles stated that he feels the signs are already up and els they look great. He believes the city's parking signs look bad after al the work they did on them. � t � ' , � . , : ;.' . r ,. ;' ; . , . . . �,' • :>>; 's� ' t:' • � , `. � . � �� -s�� NORDQUIST SIGN C0. (#9844) AGE TWU Mr. Pangal stated that the letter from the district was very v gue. He agreed with Mr. Galles that the signs look great. He is always heari g of the lack of parking downtown. He would rather see signs that are pleas ng to the eye than the signs the City has, although he would like to see uni orm signs in downtown. Mr. Levy stated that he is concerned about DCDC and agrees wit their comment in their letter that if this was approved it would make it har for them to enforce the ordinance in the future. Ms. Tracy stated that the signs do not relate to the architect re in the . Lowertown area. Ms. Zieman stated that she likes the city parking signs that a e on the sidewalks and does not feel they clutter the sidewalk. Ms. Tracy stated that they have to be there and eventually peo le will get use to seeiny the city parking signs. Ms. Tracy commented on finding no. 1 and asked if the signs we e already up. Ms. Datsko answered yes. Mr. Seyal stated that it is not the size of the sign but the f ct that it overhanging on the sidewalk. Ms. Tracy stated that she feels the signs should be consistent regarding parking downtown. P4r. McGuire stated that the signs say the same thing on each s'de but it is only a one-way street. Ms. Zieman questioned the reason for a sign variance. Mr. Mc ire stated that there is competition between businesses. The overhanging sign add visual clutter to downtown. There use to be alot of them but with t new zoning codes most of them were removed. The building was built right up to the right-of-way. The City has vacated some of their right-of-wa . Ms. Tracy stated that there needs to be more discussion with wertown and other interested groups pertaining to signage. Mr. Galles moved to layover the case until the City's Pathfin r Signaye project is complete. Ms. Segal asked if the City's Pathfinder Signage project invol es signs on the buildings. Mr. McGuire stated that no, it involves free stan ing signs. Mr. Segal stated that the Committee should not concern themselves ith the aesthetics. What is related is the uniqueness of the buildin . He questioned if the sign is in violation of the existing zoning code varia ce. Mr. McGuire answered that yes it is. Mr. Segal stated that legally the sign should be removed. � , � , . ' �� =s� NORDQUIST SIGN C0. (#9844) PAGE THREE Mr. Pangal asked Mr. Hertz what a layover would do to the com ny's timeline. Mr. Hertz questioned on what basis the case was being heldove . Mr. Pangal stated that the siyn ordinance does not permit overhanginy si ns, DCDC's denial letter, more interested groups should be contacted and he zoning staff should converse more about the matter. Mr. Hertz answered th would not be a problem if the overhanging siyns could remain intact. , Hea�ing no further testimony, Mr. Pangal closed the pub1ic po ion of the meeting. The Committee unanimously approved layover until January 16, 1 86 meeting to . converse with Lowertown, DCDC and the zoning staff. Submitted by: A proved by: ��m�a�a��r ,t� �.e� Donna Datsko h Pangal , Ch ' an i . , , . _ �,. , :,. , , . , r+�-�;�,• � , ,.. , . : - f ;, z^ .r Y.° t�r �t �-•` , , a?�. ^ . • . ,s�: . ; -�X:. ': • � ` ; i, . ; � !� ; � , . , • � � �a�' �� Attachment 6th Street Signs: 9B Loyo, directional arrow Service Entrance lUB Logo, directional arrow Contract Parkiny , 13 I.oyo, directi.onal arrow Drop-off Entrance, 164 and 65 E. 6th St. . ;. ,„ . 5th Street Siyns: lOC Logo, directional arrow Public Parking 23A Logo, directional arrow Drop-off Entrance, 195 E. 5 h St. • . � . � ��-s� �• �. N�QDQl�ST StGNS �'��g�I�� PROPOSEp ..��. ,.;::.w:��' � :::::::� :::»::� TRAFFIC FL+�W �' ALTERIVATIVES WHICH WOUL� NOT REQUIRE VARIANCE :v::. .:,;`;:. •`�''• •��ti;:r��`titi�j�,A,.;�`�-� E- �F ��'�'��k •.4•...••;}::}•:. f.ti:Il:Ati��y::.::t• 4i:'yi{' • •• ' •::�::x:�::+' :.{;:�eti,?S .•';';.<:t;�- ��i:%i}ti i{•::$y:;T:r ' rZ'��+�>.;, i;r •�,v�,•��:{•• .}y;n,�:ti;:;:ti::?;:•:ti}r :�.,.'ti:• I '.) I � SIGIy ATTACNED TO 1NTERIOR SIGI� PROJE TING 12; ATTACHED OF COLUMt� TO COLUMt� MTERIOR .. ..... .... ..::: ... .. ............ .. ::::...:::,:: :::: :::::: . .. ........ ..:� :::: � Y y . • � h11(�� '�. k1 .L '. , .."'y'�� V ' .� •h11 I �;i#��i� �� I � ADDED IIyTER10R LIGHTIIyG NEW SIGW T EO►TMENT ATTRACTS ATTENTION � � ., � � �� -5�� Downtown �Sai nt Pau I �� P��thfinder Si�nage ['rogram Do:vntown Sain: Paul has long suffered from an image problem which h s discouraged visitors and remains a constant source of confusion. The tales of confu ed motorists are too often true and changes must be made to improve the motorists u derstanding of downtown. Impending changes in roadway access downtown plus the recent revival f downtown entertainment make this an opportune time to change our image. The d velopment of Town Square, the Ordway Music Theatre and Union Depot Place (amo g many others) have enticed people into downtown that have been away for som time. . In addition, construction of I-35E and reconstruction of 1-94 will greatly mprove access into downiown. The combination of these two elements comes a! ng once in a lifetime. . In response, the City proposes the Pathfinder Signage Program. The Pco ram consists of five basic elements: • Division of downtown into four identifiable sectors (see Map, Pag 2); • SignaRe from the Interstate Highway System to downtown; • Signage on major arterials; s Signage to major public facilities; and �� Public Parking Si�na�e on appcopriate parking ramps; This system allows the motorist to key on one sector of downtown, get o f the freeway at ihe appropriate exit and then follow signs to the most convenient par ing. A. FOUR DOWNTOWN SECTORS The four sectors (Central Business Area, Civic Center Area, Lowe town Area and Capitol Area) already have some identity. Directing someone o the Science Museum would be as easy as "...from Minneapolis, take the exit marked 'Central Business Area', follow signs to the museum and park in th ramp with the public parking 'P' " . The cornerstone of ihis concept is to get reeway and arterial signage which clearly and consistently identi�ies these sec ors. B. FREEWAY SIGNAGE As part of freeway construction/reconstruction, signs should be co structed which identifies these fouc sectors (see Interstate Signage sketche ). C. ARTERIAL SIGNAGE ,, These signs should be olaced near the end of ihe freeway off-ramp and at cth�: pai�ts a:ong :�;. �ay identi:yir,g th� routes tc the four secto (s�e ' Arterial Signage sketch). __..-._�.. ___.__ _ . .._ _�--.--_:_- -., . _�_._.___-__ _ _ - _ _ �,.. ._:. .._ _ _. _ . , ; � � � �`�-.�� . D. SIGNAGE TO MAJOR PUBLIC FACILITIES These signs should be placed at various points in each sector. Th y should identify public facilities (museums, government buildings, princi 1 downtown parks) and public parking ramps (see Public Facility Si ns sketch). PUBLIC PARKING SICdVAGE On parking ramps available for public use, clear and uniform sign ge should be installed. If the ramp serves a major facility (e.g. Town Squa ) the signage should identify the ramp as such. 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ST. PAUL, MINNES �(�'��1PAUL . (612) 221-0488 18 De�cember 1985 � C, 1� .8 �; Mr . Joseph Pangal ' Chairman, Zoning Committee Planning Commission rt � 1 9 �g� 1100 City Hall Annex St. Paul , �innesota 55102 Dear Mr. Pangal : � The Board of Directors of the Downtown Community Dev lopment � Council met this morning and considered the request y Nordquist Sign Company for a sign variance at 376 Jackson Stre t. Brief presentations were made by Steven Hirtz of Nor quist Sign Company and Charles McGuire of the city ' s Zoning Sec ion. The issue generated much discussion both for and against the granting of the variance . It was moved to recommend granting he sign variance to the sign company. However, the motion fa led to gain approval with 9 voting in favor and 13 against the r commendation. Two membexs abstained from voting. The general conse sus was that to "open the door" to such a variance would weaken t e ability to enforce the code in the future and significant "hard hip" was not evident in this case. Sincerely, _ _-- - , �c=:'t Gl 1-, ,�'� �C�� . _ _� � �- Brian A. Nelson Chairman mk cc: A1 LoVejoy " Charles NcGuire DISTRICT 17 PLANNING COUNCIL , _..__ ___ .....__ __ .._._. _---__ ��,��1 // M y � _ 3 /,J—�_�7� Y " • { n�l v N f � / � \ � � I II � In v . � ) I . � i ' I� X . M , � i. � '� • �-� � -------_.. _..T.._----- � _ �. ..—____._..__ . , �i .� . � .__� _..._ - _ _. . .. _ � .. ,.. -4 i ,i\1 "_'r- r..i ._-..,. -. .in J��v J' + I , . ... -.�— ' I � ` ,�t • / -------- i i ��i:� � - ., _ — - - ,1 I / / � ' _ . . , �� ,� � � � ' ; � ;,� � ��i � �� j � �,� '� ,,, ��,, � � ��, � � _ � � � 1:� � �_�� '' ; / , i'\t . 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PAUL CITY COUN IL PUBI.IC HEARING NO ICE ZONING To: Property owners within 350 feet; Representatives of Planning District 17 F�L N Q. 9888 PA E P U R P 0 S E To appeal a decision made by the Plannin Commission to deny a variance of the sign ordinance which w uld permit five signs to project three feet over a public righ -of-way. Present zoning: B-4 L 0 C A T 1 0 N 376 Jackson (Southwest side between 5th nd 6th Street) P E T I T 10 N E R NORDQUIST SIGN C0./MEARS PARK DEVEL. C0. -----� HEARING ��..!�� ,, io:o�• :�: � Citv Counc ers, 3rd Floor City Hal - Court House Q U E S TIO N S Zoning 298-4154 (Donna Datsko) Contact the Zoning Section of the Plannin and Economic Development Department, Room 1101, City H 11 Annex, 25 W. 4th Street, St. Paul, Minnesoia 55 02 Legal Description: On file Notice sent 4-4-86 . � � � � . . ��-�� _. , ST. PAUL CITY COUN IL PU BLIC HEAR ING N 0 I CE ZONING To: Property owners within 350 feet; Representatives of Planning District 17 FIL N 0. 9888 PA E P U R P 0 S E To appeal a decision made by the Planning Commission to deny a variance of the sign ordinance which wo ld permit five signs to project three feet over a public right of-way. Present zoning: B-4 I �.�C A T I O N 376 Jackson (Southwest side between 5th a d 6th Street) PETITIONER NORDQUIST SIGN C0./MEARS PARK DEVEL. C0. HEARING Thursday, April », 1986 �0:00 A M. Citv Council Chambers, 3rd Floor City Hall - Court House Q U E S TIO N S Zoning 298-4154 (Donna Datsko) Contact the Zoning Section of the Planning and Economic Development Department, Room 1101, City Ha 1 Annex, 25 W. 4th Street, St. Paul, MinnesoLa 551 2 Legal Description: On file _, -„ �_- r= � - v Notice sent 4-4-86 �;:; _,� � _ r ' - . - � , . . �.._. _.. ,. r,"` . c , �