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87-1660�� N'KE - FINA4�("E RK ANA4QV�'aLAAQTMENT GITY OF SA NT PAUL Council �//y�+J /' BLUE --A�AVOR File NO. u • _���+' � � Coun ' R solution . , . Presented Hy . Referred To Committee: Date Out of Committee By Date An Rdministrative Reso ution approving the appeal of Paster Enter rises (Sibley Plaza) . WHEREAS , on August 6, 198 the Zoning Committee of the Planning Commission held a p lic hearing upon application for a sign variance by appellant . Two variances were requested at that �ime , one for a messa e center sign which would act as a business sign and tY?e second for an increase in the permitted height; and WHEREAS , the Zoning Commi tee approve� the request for -che message center sign but d nied the request for variance for height; and WHEREAS , a;�pellants have appealed to the City Council from thai determination; now, the efore , be it RESOLVED, that the Council f the Cit}'r of Saint Paul grants the appeal o�' appellants and rants a variance for a message center sign which would act a a business sign and grants a variance for permii,ted heigh�, said variance being 40 feet in height subject 'co the followin conditions : (1 ) That the lower signs shown in the sign drawing as "Richard' s Foods/Walareens" be el 'minated; (2) That the sign shall e end no more than two feet over �he property line on�o ^ity property; (3) The applicant conform to standards in the proposed ordinance regarding rnodes and d' splay and numbers of charac�ers for electronic message borne sig ; (4) That the electronic essages on the sign shall not � COUIVCILMEN Requested by Department of: �. l�eas N ays ' [n Favor _ Against BY Adopted by Council: Date Form Approv d by City Attorne Certified Passed by Council Secretary BY By Approved by iVlavor: Date Approv d Mayor for Submission to Conncil By BY WHITE - CITY GLERK . PINK - FINANCE COUI�Cll �//� CA�JpYRV�EpARTMENT GITY OF SAINT PAUL ,r{ L'J BI.UE AVOR File - NO. v 7�/�� 1 uncil solution Presented By L , Referred To --Committee: Date Out of Committee By Date be times for flashing messages shorter than three seconds . (Full panel fade in and fade out) . Animated messages or images that are not full panel , full f de in and fade out or longer in duration than three seconds are allowed; (5) There will be no sign or advertising of any type on the top five feet of the sign; (6) That the appellants sh 11 file a written agreement with the City Clerk within 30 ays of the adoption of this resolution stating that they wi 1 comply with all the terms and conditions of this resoluti n, and shall indemnify, hold harmless and defend the City of Saint Paul for any claims or actions that might be brought ar ' sing as a result of the con- struction of the sign permitted he ein. 2. COUNC[LMEN Yeas ��e�3 Nays Requested by Department of: Nicosia � �n Favor '� Rettman Scheibel � �n Against BY tae�da v�ilson :NOV 1 7 19ST Form Appro by City Attorney Adopted by Council: Date Certified Pa_ oun '1 BY g�. Appr Mavor: Da l��Y 1 9 1987 Approve by Mayor for Submission to Council By P(�{�l�D n1 C V 2 81987 ' � " AGREE ENT ��'^ � � � � .. June 2 , 1988 St . Paul , Minnesota WHEREAS , on November 19 , 987 , the City Council of Saint Paul , Minnesota , adopted Resol tion approving the appeal of Paster Enterprises for two varia ces , one for a message center sign and a second for the increas in the permitted height , which has been designated as Council Fi e Number 87-1660; and WHEREAS, subparagraph 6 ther of required a written Agreement to be filed with the City Cle k within thirty days of the adoption of this Resolution; and WHEREAS, a copy of the Res letion and the requirement for filing an Agreement was never urmished to Applicant or its attorney, Gerald E. Frisch, of Ni'- v.a arr`d �Frisch, P. A. , and WHEREAS, on Jun� 1 , �1988, said attorney for Applicant was furnished with � copy of said xesol�t�io� 'and Applicant now desires to comply with the� te�u�'s nd' conditions of subparagraph 6 thereof . ; P10W THEREFORE, it is her�by greed by Sibley Plaza , Inc . and Paster Enterprises , that they wi l comply with all of the terms and conditions of Council FiTe Re olution Num'�ber 87-1660 and will indemnify , hold harmless and de end the City of Saint Paul for any claim or actions that mig t be brought arising out of construction of the message cente sign . Sibley Plaza , Inc . Paster Enterprises B y : `�-1�-1►�J �.u�/1 B Y � dward J. a er Its : Its : Chief Executive Officer T 1 �. , . ,. r '� h R � - � '� � ia� �-� � t .. .� � ✓ .E _ r •'f ��"b�1���i � � ��' � :"l '1 S �JY � .� ` F:�. .` � � �� `�\ � ? ' -. � 1p f � r . . . � �.. • Y .' C�.:. �� f. �� .{ � . . � ��: � , �� ...i..� . �.- .�,., �_;:` �-� s. 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PHOFESSIONAL AS30C7ATION ESTAHLISHED 1936 ALLEN I. NILVA 19ll-1987 2350 WEST EVENT73 ST�EET• S9INT PA.UL� MINNESOTA Sb116 c3ERaLD E. r'AISCa 618•690�1$91 TH02ttAS J. LAU6HLIN EICH B. LAHSON T. CFIEISTOPHER THAO � �y��� ��LI V���� SUSAN F.CLSMAS /V June 2 , 1988 RECEIVED Mr . Albert Olson City Clerk, City of Saint Paul ��N o 2 �9ea Room 386, Courthouse 15 West Kellogg Blvd. CiTY CLERK St . Paul , Minnesota 55102 Re : Council File No . 87-1660 Dear Mr . Olson : On June 1 , 1988, I was attemptin to locate a copy of the Resolution adopted by the City Counc ' 1 on November 7 , 1987 , in connection with the above-captioned m tter . This matter involves a Resolution approving the appeal f Paster Enterprises for installation of a message center sig at Sibley Plaza Shopping Center . My records indicated that I neve received a copy of the Resolution . I then obtained a copy t ereof from your office , Subparagraph 6 of the Resolution required the applicant to file a written Agreement within thirty da s of the adoption of the Resolution , which would have been on r before December 17 , 1987 . My client is extremely disappointed that we were not notified that Subparagraph 6 of the Resolution required the written Agreement to be filed as aforesaid . Enclosed herewith please find written Agreement by Sibley Plaza , Inc . , owners of Sibley Plaza Shopping Center , that they will comply with all of the terms and conditions of this Resolution . I trust that you will discuss this matter with Jerry Sigal , Assistant County Attorney , to determine if this will comply with ♦ . Mr . Albert Olson Saint Paul City Clerk Page Two the provisions of the Resolution, or if there is any other procedure which he will require to omply with the resolution . My opinion is that since we were no furnished with a copy of the Resolution prior to June 1 , 1988, and did not have specific knowledge of Subparagraph 6 therero , we were not able to comply with Subparagraph 6 until the curre t time . Very�truly yours , NZL� AND RI H P. A . �..�'YGc-v"�� �����'�,Y/` �___—._. �Gerald E. Frisch GEF/mvr Enclosure `� � v- " t J '�`���.` � � t "ti ,�,� � c'�•^' y,,r i �;z� �� ry ' � z •z �� ;' ,,� €,� �.�, � � " � ' r'^� y ,, �` _, t # ` f��y, > w� ��; � � 5 < 1� '� �1K 1: � �� '' '� > � ���Y; ' � €� .� ?� i , i ,'- � � k � ��! � ��� � a ��� � e . ��9' � � � :,�`� �y �. �.`� � a ( .{F ���� !M � � i t:. �..�� �� ' a P�' Y � .�.+. � � � � i �; � � ��� � . r 4 � � C` j �� E � � � f r � F. 7 ° , ' �� � � " � � �k f � ,�,: r 'i : � f� � F r � � -� � ,� /{. ,;, y� ,� i �i 1. '��l t * _ �y�� � \ � ,F t �.CE�Z b.�'1M.. � � _ n � f� �� �: .l . i. . . . i . - _ � . !� , . t , . . - , , . . . - �''S'dy'f�.. _ , : � ��, r �' +� '_� _ � ��" a�` ' `. 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PLANNING COhIl�IISSION DECISION; Approved mes age center sign variance and denied height variance. ZONING COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATION: Approve m ssage center sign variance and deny height variance. STAFF RECOMMENDATION: Approve message cent r sign variance and deny height variance. SUPPORT: District 15 recommended approval f inessage center sign variance. OPPOSITION: None. Dear Sir: On August 6, 1987, the Zoning Committee of the Planning Commission held a public hearing on an application for a sig variance. Two variances were requested, one for the message center sign which would act as a business sign and the second for an increase in the perm'tted height, 30' is allowed and 35' was requested. The applicant testified. t the close of the public hearing, the Committee voted 3 to 1 to approve the essage board variance but to deny the height variance. Four conditions were added to the approved sign. On August 14, 1987, the Planning Commissio upheld the Zoning Committee's recommendation on a vote of 13 to 3. This appeal is scheduled to be heard by th City Council on October 15, 1987. I will have photos of the site to present t the public hearing. Sincerely, ��'�-��-� � Donna Datsko Planner II . . ���7-�(�O6 Re : Zoning file No . 10167 ; Plannin Commissi.on File No . 87-89 Appellant : Paster Enterprises Planning Commission ' s findings a e inco-•rect in stacing the nvi cti nn ci nn nrninctc 4 foor nvar t}1G nitt]� l (' r9_oht—pf—�.rav _ Tha . � C�,,� �7-i���d APPLICATION FOR APPEAL R E�Er VE ZONING OFFICE USE ONLY D CITY OF SAINT PAUL AUG 31 1987 File # ���2. �°'�,r4 C� ZpN�NG Application Fee $ 1� _ Tentative Hearing Date —Z� `lS7 Application is hereby made for an Appeal to the City Council under the provisions of Chapter 64, Section 66.2 1 , Paragraph of the Zoning Code to appeal a decision made by the Board of o ing Appeals X Planning Co ission on AuQ. 14 � 19 87 _ Zoning Admi istrator (date of decision) _ Planning Ad inistrator _ Other A. APPELLANT Name Paster Enter rises Ddytime phone 690-1591 Address 2350 West Seventh Street Atto ney Zip Code 55116 B. DECISION BEING APPEALED Zoning file name Paster Enterprises Zoning File # 101 67 Property Address/Locdtion Sibley Plaza , est Seventh Street Legal description See at�ched C. GROUNDS FOR APPEAL (Use additional sheets if necessary. ) (Explain why you feel there has been an erro in any requirement, permit, decision or refusal made by an administrative officia , or an error in fact, procedure or finding made by the Board of Zoning Appeals or the P anning Commission.) See attached. If you have any questions, please contact: �. �;���— pplicant's 'gnature St. Paul Zoning Office Gerald E. Frisch 1100 City Hall Annex 25 West Fourth Street 8/28/87 Saint Paul, Minnesota 55102 Date City agent (298-4154) 9/82 ; i � . � ' c � _ � , . . . C���/�� -_ , �ity of saint paul planning commission resoluti �ile number 8�-8 9 � date AUQUSt �4 . �98� WHEREAS, Paster Enterprises, file #10167, ha applied for a Sign Variance under the provisions of Section 66.201(11) ; 66.202(4) ( ) , and 66.409 of the Saint Paul Legislative Code, for the purpose of allowin the establishment of (1) an electronic message center sign which is (2) 35' high on property located at Sibley Plaza, West Seventh Street, legally described as (see at achment) ; and WHEREAS, the Zoning Committee of the Plannin Commission on August 6, 1987, held a public hearing at which all persons present ere given an opportunity to be heard pursuant to said application in accordance w th the requirements of Section 64.300 of the Saint Paul Legislative Code; and '�' WHEREAS, Saint Paul Planning Commission, bas d on the evidence presented to its Zoning Committee at the public hearing as su stantially reflected in the minutes, made the following findings of fact: 1. Th� applicant is proposing to remove the existing Sibley Plaza identification sign and replace it with a new sign that includes an electronic message board. Electronic message boards are currently rohibited outside the downtown area except if they display public informatio such as time, temperature and the . like. The applicant is also requesting height variance to permit placing the sign 5 feet higher that the 30 feet perm tted. 2. The existing Sibley Plaza sign is about 8 feet wide and 16 feet high for approximately 608 square feet of display area and is 18 feet from the ground. The total height of the existing sign is approximately 33.5 feet above grade. The proposed sign is 36 feet wide and 21 feet high for a gross surface display area of 756 square feet and would be 35' high. , (contin ed) , moved by MORTON seconded by �I1f21 STf•;NSnN in favor 1- against 3 . ; � r � E �' _ � ' � � , , _ . i , � � � � � � . � ; . � . � ��7-/��0 � File #10167 Page Two 3. Total sign area for businesses which have frontage on more than one street in the B-2 zone is two times the total of t lot frontage on the short side plus one-half the lot frontage on the long si e. In this case, Sibley Plaza has 318.7 feet of frontage on Davern and 1138.76 front feet on Fort Road for a total sign area of 1776.16 sq. feet permitted. According to the applicant, existing store signs (10 existing and three pr_opo ed) now total 716 square feet, with five vacant bays. The total proposed si n area for the shopping center will be 1472 square feet. Approximately 304 squ re feet of sign area would remain for the vacant bays, about 60 square feet pe bay. 4. The existing sign projects approximately four feet over the public right of way. The applicant has not shown exactly wher the new sign will be located, except to say that it will be in the same place as the existing sign. If so, the new sign will project eight feet over the pu lic right of way. The sign regulations permit a projection of no more than four feet. The sign would have to be located at least nine feet from the prop rty line to conform to this regulation. A setback of the sign post of 13 feet wo ld keep the sign from pro�ecting over the public right of way entirely. 5. The Planning Commission may approve vari nces of the sign regulations if they make findings in the following areas: a. Unique signs or unusual conditions p rtaining to the sign needs for a specific building or Iot. . . There appear to be no unusual condit'ons pertaining to the sign needs of the ' building or lot. The lot is level a this point, and the sign is of sufficient size to be seen from the oadway. There are actually three sections of signage proposed in this one sign: the shopping center name sign, the message board, and identif'cation signs for two businesses in the center. If one of these elements we e removed (possibly the business signs) , a height variance would not e necessary. There are also crossbars in the sign poles that could be used for additional signage. (contin ed) ; � . t .. : ; _ i � � I i ; , i � ! _ i i e ;I i I , i ! _ . � , - � , I I : Y: � � ; ! , : � ; � � ; � ; � � � � •` � . ��� � i �'� �� . ' � � � C��7-/(o�D , File #10167 Page Three b. Signs would not be contrary to the ge eral intent of this chapter, create a hazard, or violate Minnesota State St tutes. . . One of the intents of the chapter is oncern for the visual environment. The multiple messages portrayed in th's sign would be contrary to this intent by not providing simple, clear identification signage. If located where the applicant has indicated, th proposed sign would pro�ect eight feet over the public right of way, wh ch is contrary to the regulations of the ordinance and which could create hazardous condition. c. Wou1d not be objectionable to adjacen property owners. . . The sign would not appear to be objec ionable to property owners to the northeast or southwest. d. Wou1d not adversely affect residentia property through excessive glare and lighting. . . The sign does not appear to adversely affect residential property located across Ford Road. e. The signs would be in keeping with th general character of the surrounding area. Except for the electronic message boa d, the signs are similar to others in the general commercial area. - f. The Commission may not grant a varian e that would permit signs within a zoning district which is not otherwis permitted. . . (contin ed) � i . j ' __ , . - � , ; , ; � ; . � ; � , � � , �� , ; � � :} � � f � �� � � �,, 3 � � � � ; � � . � �. � � � ,, , ' . ���-l��v ? File #10167 Page Four The Planning Commission has recently proved two variances permitting electronic message signs, and the city is considering amendments to its sign regulations that would permit electro ic message signs in certain circumstances. The proposed regulatio s and the applicant's ability to meet them are as follows: i. Business signs in the B-2, B-3, B- , I-1, I-2, and I-3 districts. Applicant is proposing a business sign in a B-2 district. ii. Should be 660 feet from another e ectronic message sign on the same side of the street. � There are no other message signs n the area. iii.Should be 75 lineal feet from a re identisl district and 50 radial feet from a residential district. An RM-2 district is located acros the street, 40 feet away. (The district boundary goes down the c nter of the street. ) iv. Should have a minimum of 10 chara ters. Applicant has stated that they wi 1 comply with this provision. v. Approved modes of display are: f de-in, fade-out; travel mode across the sign; and travel mode vertica 1y. Applicant has stated that they wi 1 comply with this provision. (continue ) , � � ': � � � �� � � , _ � i i i i � �I i � . _.. , �! . �. . i I . 1 ` , . �7-/fa�� , File #10167 Page Five NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, by the Saint ul Planning Commission, that under the authority of the City's Legislative Code, the application for a Sign Variance to allow the installation of a 35' high sign at Sibly Plaza, West Seventh Street, is hereby denied; and the application for an electronic message board is hereby approved subject to the following conditions: 1. The lower row of signs as shown on the sig drawing as "Richard's Foods/Walgreens" be eliminated; 2. The sign be set back 13 feet from the prop rty line; 3. The applicant conform to standards in the roposed ordinance regarding modes of display and numbers of characters for the lectronic message board sign; and 4. The messages on the electronic message sig be timed slowly so as not to give the appearance of a flashing sign. ; � � r� � Prc'`'_ �� „���-�" x. .��"�� g,� , . , - � � . t �.`�.! � ! f � , , � . . �. �, � i i • , r ' ` * t � �`� I _ ' f • 1 , � . : �� i . � � � �- �7'��0�� File #10167 Le�al Description The following desc:ibed premises, situate in the City of Saint Paul, County of Ramsey, State of Minnesota, to-wit: That part of Lots Sixteen (16) , Seventeen (1 ) , and Twenty-Two (22) in Snelling Outlots lying South of a line ten (10) feet outh of and parallel to the North line of Caufield Avenue (now Wilmont Avenue) prod ced East across Lots Sixteen (16) , Seventeen (17) , and Twenty-Two (22) all in S elling Outlots, excepting from the above described tract those parts thereof ta en for West Seventh Street in the City of Saint Paul, Minnesota, also except the So th part of West two hundred thirty- seven (W. 237) feet of Lot Twenty-Two (22) , asuring sixty-five and eighty-two hundredths (65.82) feet on the West along Dav rn Avenue and sixty-four and forty-two hundredths (64.42) feet along the East side o said West two hundred thirty-seven (W. 237) feet thereof, according to the plat hereof on file and of record in the Office ,of the Register of Deeds of Ramsey Cou ty, Minnesota. Also, Lots Eighteen (18) and Nineteen (19) in Sneli ng Outlots; excepting from the above described tract those parts thereof taken for West Seventh Street in the City of Saint Paul, Minnesota, all according to the p at thereof on file and of record in the Office of the Register of Deeds of Ramsey County, Minnesota. Also, Lot Twenty (20) in Snelling Outlots, accordin to the plat thereof on file and of record in the Office of the County Recorder o Ramsey County, Minnesota. Also, The North fifty (50) feet of the South Two hun red twenty-one and eight hundredths (221.08) feet of the West One hundred fifty (1 0) feet of Lot Twenty-one (21) in Snelling Outlots and Lot Twenty-One (21) in Sn lling Outlots except the West Two hundred thirty-seven (237) feet lying North of the South One hundred seventy-one and eight hundredths (171.08) feet thereof all acc rding to the plat thereof on file and of record in the office of the County Recorder of Ramsey County, Minnesota. . ' j °: �i �-, ;; � i . i • , � :,' =-� � � � . : � ( ' :, . � , ' . i ; � - � i . ; � I � ( _:. � i `' .: �_ � A • . � . ���7���d . � ' � � , MINUTES OF THE ZON NG COIrII�IITTEE . CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS, SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA ON AUGUST 6, 1987 . � � • Mmes. Morton, Tracy and Zieman; Messrs. Christenson� Levy and Repke of the Zoning Committee; Mr. S al, Assistant City Attorney; Ms. Lane of the Building Inspectio and Design Division; Ms. Datsko� � Ms. James� Ms. Murray, Mr. McG ire and Mr. Soderholm of the Planning.Division staff. �: Messrs. Ferd�rer and Neid. � The meeting was chaired by Gladys Morton� Chairman. ��TER ENTERPRISES (#10167) A Sign Varia ce for property located at Sibley Plaza, West Seventh Street, to allow the stablishment of an electronic message center sign which is 35' high (30 height permitted) . The applicant was present. There was no pposition present at the meeting. � Ms. Datsko showed slides of the site and eviewed the staff report with a recommendation for approval of the varian e to allow the electronic message center sign but denial of the height vari nce. Gerald Frisch, 2350 West Seventh Street� ttorney represen�ing Paster Enterprises, stated that the Highland Are Community Council approves the proppsal. He distributed copies of a let er from Rick Bowie� owner of Sibley Manor Apartments, approving the electroni message sign. He stated that his client is attempting to have a uniform si program in a single sign; and that they prefer the four foot setback to the 3' setback because the latter would adversely affect the flow of traffic. Mr. Christenson asked if the Highland Are Community Council considered the electronic aspect of the proposed sign. Edward Paster, 2227 University Avenue, st ted that a complete presentation was made to the community council and they re ommended approval. Hearing no further testimony, Ms. Morton losed the public portion of the � ,` meeting. . . ` �� ;' `1 1 1 � " �, _ i � �:i � � � ' ' . � � , . � � � . �--��7 i��� ` Fi�e #10167 � Page Two Ms. Zieman made a-motion to recommend deni 1 of the height variance and � approval of the electronic message board s bject to the following conditions: (1) that the lower row of signs as shown o the sign drawing be eliminated; (2) that the sign be set back 13 feet from the property line; (3) that the applicant conform to standards in the prop sed ordinance xegarding modes of display and numbers of charact�rs for the lectronic message board sign; and . (4) that t'�e messages on the electronic me sage sign be ti�med slowly so as not to give the appearance of a flashing sign. Ms. Tracy seconded the motion. ' • � ' Mr. Christenson stated that he will not su port a motion which includes � approval of electronic message board signs until the �pde change is made; he st,ated•,that he would support the height �a iance. ; The motion passed �on a rall c�ll vote of 3-1 (Christenson) . . Submitted by: Approved by: ������� � �� Donna Datsko Gladys:Mort n� .Ghairman ! I � :; , � � i .� ;; _ i �,;. i. � . j I � . � _ _ � i _ _ � • . � . � °�c�� /�O�d ' ZONING COMMI'7'TEE TAFF REPORT FILE #10167 `` 1. APPLICANT: Paster Enterprises DATE OF HEARING: 8/6/87 2. CLASSIFICATION: Sign Variance 3. LOCATION: Sibley Plaza, West Seventh Str et 4, PLANNING DISTRICT: 15 5. LEGAL DESCRIPTION: On file 6. PRESENT ZONING: B-2 ZONING CODE REFERE CE: 66.201(11) ; 66.202(4) (1) , 66.409 7. STAFF INVESTIGATION AND REPORT: DATE:7/ 3/87 BY: Patricia James A. PURPOSE: To permit the installatibn of a electronic message center sign which would be (1) used to promote the shopping enter (message signs wh'ich give public information are permitted) and, (2) would be 35' high (signs in the B-2 zoning district have a maximum height limi of 30' unless set back from th� property line) . _ B. PARCEL SIZE: Irregular parcel, 1138, 76 ft of frontage on Fort Road (West Seventh) x 318.7 ft. on Davern Ave. = appr ximately 326,909 sq. ft. C. EXISTING LAND USE: The property is develo ed as Sibley Plaza, a commercial, neighborhood retail center. D. SURROUNDING LAND USE: North: railroad right-of-way and multipl family residential East: commercial South: multiple family residential West: single family residential and com ercial E. ZONING CODE CITATION: 66.201(11) IZlumination of signs sha11 not be of a flashing, moving, or inter�nittent type; ho ver, signs giving public information such as time, temperature, stock averages a d the Zike are permitted. Except for di.stricts B-4 and B-5, artificial Zight sha11 be maintained stationary and constant in intensity and color at a11 tin�e when in use. 66.202 Subd.4(1) A11 types of signs sha11 onforrri to the clearance and projection requirements of this section and to tfze building height restrictions described in the zoning c.ode. . . 61. 103 B-2 Cominunity Business. Pl:i�iwtuu li�,i�; it c�t' structures �U' (iuiless seCb�ick fro�u tl�c� prop<�rty liizes .��� eyu;:i/ di.s[.ar�ce t tl�e liaight of t.tie structure wliic.l� exceecl:: (h��� uiuxiw�uu l�eig�it :.illoi���c!) . F. FINDINGS: l. The applicant is proposing to remove the ex'sting Sibley Plaza identification sign and replace it with a new sign that in ludes an electronic message board. Electronic message boards are currently pro ibited outside the downtown area. The applicant is also requesting a height v riance to permit placing the sign 5 feet higher that the 30 feet permitted. 2. The existing Sibley Plaza sign is about 38 f et wide and 16 feet high for approximately 608 square feet of display are and is 18 feet from the ground. The total height of the existing sign is app oximately 33.5 feet above grade. The proposed sign is 36 feet wide and 21 fee high for a gross surface display area of 756 square feet. . , ' . ��--�7-/��0 File #10167 � Page Two . 3. Total sign area for businesses on corners in the B-2 zone is two times the total of the lot frontage on the short side plu one-half the lot frontage on the long side. In this case, Sibley Plaza has 318.7 feet of frontage on Davern and 1138.76 front feet on Fort Road for a tot 1 sign area of 1776.16 sq. feet �� permitted. According to the applicant, e isting store signs (ten existing and three proposed) now total 716 square feet with five vacant bays. The total proposed sign area for the shopping cente will be 1472 square feet.. Approximatel.y 304 square feet of sign are would remain for the vacant bays; about 60 square feet per bay. 4, The existing sign projects approximately feet over the public right of way. The applican,t has not shown exactly where the new sign will be located, except �to say that it will be in the same place s the existing sign. If so, the new sign will project 8 feet over the public ight of way. The sign regulations permit a projection of no more than 4 fee : The si,gn would have to be located at least 9 feet from the property line to conform to this regulation. A setback of 13 feet would keep the sign from proje ting over the public right of way entirely. ' S. The Planning Commission may approve varia ces of the sign regulations if they make findings in the followirig areas: a. unique signs or unusua-1 conditions per aining to the sign needs for a specific building or Iot. . . There appear to be no unusual conditio s pertaining to the sign needs of the building or lot. TY�e lot is level at his point,, and� the sign is of sufficient size to be seen from the ro dway. There are actually thre� , sections of signage pYoposed in this o e sign: the 5hopping center name sign, the message board, and identific tion signs for- two businesses in the center. If one of these elements were removed (possibly the business signs) , a height variance would not be necessary. (There are also crossbars in the sign poles that could be used f r additio.nal signage. ) b. signs would not be contrary to the gen ral intent of this chapter, create a hazard, or violate Minnesota State Sta utes. . . One of the intents of the chapter is c ncern for the visual environment. The multiple messages portrayed in thi sign would be contrary to this intent by not providing simple, clear 'dentification signage. If located where the applicant has indicated, �the proposed sign would project 8 feet over the public right of way, which is contrary to the regulations of the ordinance and which could create a haz rdous condition. c. would not be objectionable to adjacent roperty owners. . . The sign would not appear to be objecti nable to property owners to the northeast or southwest. ��. Wi�ll��� Ilc�f eii�l'e;1':;e'.�Y til L ac'! !'e�::l i�e�i�t i e�l �t�uE�r.t'L y l�)t�Olib�l UXCd:;J 1Vd b IG!'d Ull[� 11�11C.171�, . . There is a multiple family residential evelopment across Fort Road that could be adversely affected by the glar of the illuminated bottom row of signs and the lights from the electroni message board; although the residences are some distance away from he street. e. the signs would be in keeping with the eneral character of the surrounding area. Except for the electi-onic message board the signs are similar to others in the general commercial area. f. The Corranission may not grant a variance that woul.d_.permit signs within a zoning district which is not otherwise ermitted. . . The Planning Commission and City Counci have recently approved three variances permitting electronic message signs, and the city is considering amendments to its sign regulations that would permit electronic message signs in certain circumstances . The pr posed regulations and the applicant's ability to meet them are�as follows: . . ����-i��� File #10167 � Page Three i. Business signs in the B-2, B-3, B-4, I-.1, I-2, and I-3 districts. Applicant� is proposing a busin ss sign in a B-2 district. ii. Should be 660 feet fYom anothe electronic message sign on the same side of the street. There are no other message sig s in the area. iii.Should be 75 Zineal feet from residential district and 50 radial feet from a residential distri t. " An RM-2 district is located ac oss the street, 40 feet away. (The district boundary goes down th center of the street. ) iv. Should have a minimum of 10 ch racters. Applicant has stated that the ill comply with this provision. v. Approved modes of display are: fade in, fade out; travel mode across the sign; and travel mode verti a11y. Applicant has stated that they ill comply with this provision i� G. STAFF ANALYSIS: The applicant could reduce the size and he'ght of their proposed sign without hardship. This would leave additional sig area for their business tenants as the center 'is leased up. Removal of the b ttom row of signs would accomplish this. Location of the sign 13 feet from t e public right of way would keep the sign from projecting into the public right of way and competing with traffic signs in the area. The proposed electroni message sign does not comply with the proposed ordinance amendments in that t is within 50 feet of a residential district. If the sign were moved back fro the property line 13 feet, it would be further than 50 feet from the residenti 1 district. H. STAFF RECOMMENDATION: Based on findings 1 through 5 and the anal sis, staff recommends denial of the height variance and approval of the electr nic message board subject to the following conditions: 1. The lower row of signs as shown on the ign drawing be eliminated; 2. The sign be set back 13 feet from the p operty line; 3. The applicant conform to standards in t e proposed ordinance regarding modes of cils��l�iy t+ncl tiuinhers c�f cli�+r�+etc�i'�� fo tl�e, ��li�ett-ottic: message hoci�-d si�rl; r�i��l 4 . 'fl�ic� iness�at�c+s c�n rl��c� c�lectror�i_c wess<�ge _ i,�;il l�c�� timed slowly so as not to give the appearance of a flasliing sign. . ... ���•� �� _ �� '�:: ���• _ '• � ��1, . • : « � 'A� � � �� . S '\. �- r.�J � ���`� �\ - ,: � � ��'' y � �� , w ;. 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APPlicant: NAME: �{ TE�Q Ele�iE' S E - i j1� } h���, r t .'..� «� ADDRE$$ E �/ N • �7• Au�L /LI�F'� '� 'r z' w-_ :'' �"'�� t,rs;"''+�r 4.' ,`�`+ '� { �'°�"1 OAYTIME ELEPHONE NO. �7 l'J��9�I 21P CO�E�S// , -_ ` ' � ''.,:,� '•; 1. Property interest of pplicant: ,(owner,contract purchater,etc.�j���ow ��STt�> � f D t� c �.si j . . y . •!i. � r�:.r. � .-.' r •� �., _ `� 2. �Name of owner (if ifferent) �/Q��/ �(/�� 7,f �✓A • F1T C ' _ � ' B. Property Deuription: .A DRESS AS� SEE /�77AWE�O ��L � _ � .. :' ' �S c.e�f3'/cN 1. Legal descriptioni• 07 BLOCK ADD. _ ; I 2. Lot size: _... ... �/ ��/ �� - . �� 3. Present Use�'1�l Ni'� �Present Zoning Dist. � w . �� C. Ressons for Request: �` � ... . .,.. . . ` � � _ - . . .. _': ; 1. ProPosed use IC E^�TiCE/✓/C �''/F 53�l7'� S��Y`i✓ . � . . - j�, AC�o f�FC�u sf �i� �:�GX�nI��y To .�si,�c�%9 y �'ss,.✓G � , _ . .. . _� . ,►' ,STa-f'�/E+y 5 ' �9u Ql.�/ S�y�i�E.� ���f.C� /��u�� • - } 2. What physical charac eristics of the property prevent its being used for any of the permitted uses !� in your zonel (topo raphy,soil conditions,size end thape of lot,etc.) . _ . .' / /i�� �.. ,rc� � ♦ /.. �fti/ �f S,��r 1 — �J � . / _ � 6 �/ � � �'v�'-�d' . _ I iJv J S r � /� / � j�tJ P„S��" • r : - _� . _ ! �3. State the specific vari tt'on requested,giving distancea where appropriate. - ,_ _ . .1 � - . . _ :- � �D �u-8u/ i✓ ���',EO�✓i� /l�fSS�I(� s/�✓ , _ ' : .. ,� L�/ � �, /.� .=�G�Y,vi7ZGQ. Gcr�i .�yC �'- :_��--�. .. 4.+ </ �+(' / vr �9� � '- " ' ~" j 4. Explain how your cac conformt to each of the followinp: �vE' . . ... .,+� ,i:'s t r•_. - '" . .. - __.. ' - ., -� � _ �-.., � - - '� a. That the strict app icetion of the provitio�s of the Zoninp Ordisnce would rosult in peculiar ''" "` � r; or exceptional pra tical difficulties,or exceptional und e herdships, � w �.: a ,a '�- • � �..+: f} , � , `� I � =� ; ; !�E f,.��E ,l�� G'/��r/E,Q �"�l �` V �J�� s �JQ /�'G�%S,,�//< . ^i� ..�..•'A N4..i• "J��:1 r� . 1.��. - v. . �C. ��C.iC/�V�,." �✓cJ . : + �it,,y'f�' 7tiE �l/E�.� -a c�C- /�9�f'i/�i✓CE" o.E piqtir:E ..S ��'iJ �rr��G �.` ���F�7 �`'� ��E� '7 ��'���f CASHIERS USE ONLY b. That the pranting f a variance will , . �� _ I`; �ot be a substantal detriment to ;� ,�_ f I- public pood or a s bstantial impair- i 'i�•'i t;l��;<<<:l.?:4?(yr; �LE�'r; _. ! ment of the inten end purpose of �+;,_'! UH;';iiN;,F.. s;7l,[t�l . ' the Zoninp Ordina ce. • r.��F��-;�;�� +�7i1.Cr::� . . - "- . _.� ��.4��i(,�.:{! y7 Gs �/G�v� f'H��'�: �l� *1'r'll,tl�� /E� ('r�,,t[ i� �,�� Gic,f�.� 7. ��.l,�� i n,a�-,r�: +.cl) _ :i�:vi i,' ;f/.�' C:�-�� �i►•n `,- .r ��'%��ENOTE: THIS L NOT E PROCESSED WITHOUT CO PLETE SITE PLAN�.��/; i��,ii l F i V .. . . ��'/j'c'(�i9�iature �/'� f(�✓�--t� � � .� . - .. , � _ - .. ,.. _ -. • / r / / �' % (�, � - - . ., . . . . . _ ���/t'!l ,_%�,�lr���/f1 (�� `�(�/V/ /� • `. • - - - Date Received ' . , . _ . _ /'_ . _ � � , _ , i . � � � . . �� . � 1 ( � � « . � , � :�• I : ; . E � j j .. � ; , ..`�... { . � . ��7-���0 . HI�GHLA�NDAREACO MUNITYCOUNCIL � 2305 FORD PARKWAY ST.PAU ,MN 55116 (612)690-0866 To: Donna Datsko From: Michelle Lichtig Date: July 27, 1987 Re: Sibley Plaza Sign Aeight Varianc ( 4�10167) On July 20, 1987 the Highland Area C mmunity Council Community Development Committee met to review he sign variance application of Paster Enterprises. The committee r commended approval of the height variance. If you have any questions please cal me. RF � C�c� ��� Fp 2 2� 198� ON�N� � � ����� �rt,.� �.��T � �f �I � ; � ; �, ; .. � � � j � ;: � . � , ; � , :; , , , � � , . � ., _ . , : � , . ; � . CG��7���o . � • ��.d15Xi1'l.rtC{ {'� �1.cM� �l'L�Wi.G��.t, �,��� August 4, 1987 Mr. Rick Bowie PASTER ENTERPRISES 2227 University Avenue - St. Paul, Minnesota 55114 Dear Mr. Bowie: I would like to thank yo for your recent update regarding the proposed ele tronic message sign at Sibley Plaza Shopping Cen er. We are very pleased with the upgrading and exp nsion of the Center and especially welcome t e addition of a new supermarket . Our Tena ts have continually expressed the need for a supermarket at this location. The installation of a ne electronic message sign is the finishing touch to he existing remodelling underway . As the ow er of S3bley Manor ' Aoartments, I would like t point out that we have no objection to the inst llation of an electronic message sign. Furtherinore we do not feel tizat we would be adversely afFe ted in any way by the glare of the illuminate signs or electronic message board. We look forward to the Gr nd Opening and wish you continued success at Sibley Plaza. Please keep in touch. Sincerely, � � �����- �s.� �•�_ - Bob Julen � Sibley Manor Apartments :. _ _ . ; � ' f � r ; : I ' � � � � � . � ; , i :• � . Y I I � , .:�'' �'��. . .. , . .� � '� � � . . . � � -� . � i � � • I ;, j ;'• ; 1 . . 7 , ,. � � � �.��7—/(��� ITIZEN PAR I I A RI S w,�a� � � ! .o� .� � - �� '�y � � 3 �� � � � i 10 ¢ � ,� �" ' � , „-`, ` � M M rar ""�� � Q R ' 6 a � 5 ,,.....� M 12. n '. `, . � a� . .�,.K. .� :o.: � � y f ' � ` ` � rP• !� '� tM[ �� W f� � f ` f w.i �. F � � 'w n a ; ! s' � s r ,y,�. � ! �� w � w�+r� M � �' ■ yN.rr 'TO� . i S NM � • / M A S .� �,. • � � 7� � F 4 . � } �,�.. � � � r = • �•. 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Cit Council Chambers, 3r Floor City Hall - Court House Q U E S TIO N S Zoning 298-4154 (Donn Datsko) Contact the Zoning Sectin of the Planning and Economic Development Department, R om 1101, City Hall Annex, 25 W. 4th Street, St. Pau , MinnesoLa 551.02 Legal Description: On fil . N � S ��I OT� � �It15 ITL�'�I � � H�DU ��D � Notice •ent 10-2-87 -------------------------------- AGENDA ITEMS =__ ________-------------------- /���.1_�C�Dd -------------------------------- -------------------- ��__ ID#: [390 ] DATE REC: [10/22/87] AGENDA DA E: [00/00/00] ITEM #: [ 7 SUBJECT: [APPROVAL OF APPEL OF PASTER ENTERPRISES (SIBLEY PLAZA) ] STAFF ASS I GNED: [ � Z' �o�z� ] S I G:[ ��� OUT-[ ] TO CLERK �A8�9A�OQ� l�/6 ORIGINATOR:[CITY ATTORNEY ] CONTA T:[SEGAL ] ACTION:[ ] L ] C.F.# [ ] ORD.# [ ] FILE COMPLETE="X" [ ] � � � s � � � � � � � � FILE INFO: [RESOLUTION (2PGS)/ZONING FILE #10202/ UBLIC HEARING NOTICE/PHOTOS] C ] [ � ------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------- ------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------