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RESOLUTION � ��
CITY F SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA , f
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Presented By
Referred To Committee: Date
RESOLVE�, that upon the petition of Ace Auto Parts & a vage,
Inc. per Fimnance Department File No. 12-1990, those parts of
Acker Street , Park Street , and the alley in Block 1 , Greene ' s
Addition, hereinafter described are hereby vacated and
discontinue!d as public property.
The va�cated area is described as follows:
Acker Street from Rice Street to the west line of Park Street
Park Street as originally platted and opened lying
sou�h of Acker Street and north of a line 21P! feet
sou�h of and parallel to the south line of Acker
Str�et.
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All � of the alley in Block 1 , Greene ' s Addition to St. Paul
lyirpg south of the north line, extended westerly of Lot
11 , ', Block 2, Jilson ' s Subdivision of Lots 3, 4, 5, 6, 7,
8, 9, and 10, Guerin' s Out Lots, St. Paul, Minnesota
Al1 of the ponding easement over that portion of Lot 17 of
Gue�Cin ' s Out Lots to the City of Saint Paul according to
the recorded plat thereof on file in the office of the
Register of Deeds in and for said Ramsey County,
Minnesota , excepting therefrom, the East 5 feet of said
Lot 17, recorded as document no. 2286879 on October 23,
1985 .
The vacation shall be subject to the following conditions:
1. That this vacation shall be subject to all the terms
and conditions of Chapter 130, codified March 1, 1981
of the St. Paul Legislative Code, as amended.
2 . That the petitioner , its successors , and assigns shall
pay $22, 880. 00 as compensation for this vacation which
represents the same base rate that the City paid to
the petitioner in 1990 for sewer easement and is due
j and payable within 60 days of the publication date of
� this resolution.
3 . That the petitioner , its successors, and assigns shall
accept a Quit Claim Deed from the City of Saint Paul
, which conveys all of the City' s interest in a ponding
easement originally acquired from the petitioner over
Lot 17 , Guerin ' s Out Lots and no longer needed by the
City. Said ponding easement is described as follows:
All that portion of Lot 17 of Guerin ' s Out Lots to
City of St . Paul according to the recorded plat
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thereof on file in the office of the Register of
Deeds in and for said Ramsey County, Minnesota,
ex�epting therefrom, the East 5 feet of said
Lot 17
4. That; the petitioner , its successors, and assigns shall
pay jcompensation in the amount of $1,32�J. 0fd
for ;the encroachment of its building over the City' s
sew�r easement in the east 18 feet of Block 1 of
Gre ne' s Addition to Saint Paul . This compensation
sha�l be deposited in Public Works Fund #C9�J-2T623--
078�7-29116 . The petitioner , its successors , and
ass"igns shall be responsible for any and all costs for
rempval of the encroaching building within the City' s
sai�3 easement area if the City needs to remove,
rep�air , or replace any of its sewer facilities within
said easement. This encroachment shall be permitted to
remain only for the life of the present structure and
shall cease to exist upon the demolition, removal ,
re�onstruction, or otherwise non--existence of the
en�roaching building.
5. That the petitioner , its successors , and assigns
shall Quit Claim its interest in the vacated portion
of the alley in Block 1 , Greene' s Addition to
St. Paul , to the Housing Redevelopment Authority of
the City of Saint Paul , Minnesota in a form and manner
ta be approved by the City Attorney.
6. TMat a permanent sewer easement be retained on behalf
of the City of Saint Paul, Department of Public Works
within the vacated areas described as follows :
All that part of Acker Street lying easterly of
a line 18 feet west of an parallel to the east
line of Lot 12, extended southerly of Block l ,
Greene' s Addition to St. Paul and westerly of the
east line of vacatec3 Park Street; Park Street
from the south line of Acker Street to a line 35 feet
south of and parallel to said Acker Street. This
easement shall be subject to the following
conditions:
a. No buildings, structures , or trees are permitted
; within the easement area nor any temporary
� structure, material storage, fixture, or other
; objects that will prohibit normal access to sewer
; facilities for maintenance purposes, except for the
i construction of a fence as described in condition
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1�. No change from the existing grade is permitted
, without written permission from the Director of the
Department of Public Works .
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c. Np change in surfacing within the easement area is
plermitted without written permission from the
D'irector of the Department of Public Works .
d. �hat the petitioner, its successors, and assigns
�hall indemnify, defend, and save harmless the
ity of Saint Paul, its officers, agents ,
mployees , and servants from all suits , actions,
r claims which shall arise from any injuries, or
amages received or sustained by any break in any
�ervice pipe, water main, or connection in said
reserved easement , arising out of or resulting
from any action or negligence of the petitioner,
its employees , agents, or business invitees.
7. That the petitioner, shall be permitted to construct a
fence, for security purposes , within the vacated areas
of Acker Street and Park Street described as follows:
Beginning at a point on the northerly extension
of the west line of Lot 18, Guerin' s Out Lots to
St. Paul , 8 feet north of the northwest corner
of said Lot 18; thence east along a line 8 feet
north of and parallel to the south line of
vacated Acker Street a distance of 256 feet;
thence southeasterly along a diagonal line
to a point which is 10 feet south of the south
line of vacatec3 Acker Street and 10 feet east
of the west line of vacated Park Street as
widened by the Common Council April 7 , 1886;
thence south along a line 1�J feet east of and
parallel to the west line of vacated Park
Street as widened, to the easterly extension
of the south line of Lot 17 of said Guerin' s
Out Lots; thence west along said easterly
extension a distance of ten feet more--or-�less
and there terminating.
The petitioner , its successors, and assigns shall be
responsible for any and all costs which may be caused
to the fence including but not limited to , costs for
removal , repair, or replacement as a result of any
repair , replacement or removal of sewer facilities
Within the vacated area of vacated Acker and Park
5treets .
8. �'hat a permanent water utility easement be retained ,
pn behalf of the City of Saint Paul, Board of Water
�ommissioners , within the easterly 40 feet of the
iaesterly 50 feet of vacated Park Street lying south of
+vacated Acker Street. This easement shall be subject
to the following conditions:
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a. No buildings, structures , or trees are permitted
� within the easement area nor any temporary
� structure, material storage (including automobile
Iparts) , fixture, or other objects that will
Iprohibit normal access to water facilities for
maintenance purposes.
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b. �No change from the existing grade is permitted
Iwithout written permission from the Water Utility.
c. No change in surfacing within the easement area is
permitted without written permission from the
Water Utility. ,
d. That the petitioner , its successors , and assigns
shall fully indemnify, defend, and save harmless
the Board of Water Commissioners, its officers,
agents, employees, and servants from all suits,
actions, or claims which shall arise from any
injuries or damages received or sustained by any
break in any service pipe, water main, or
connection in said reserved easement, arising out
of or resulting from any action or negligence of
the petitioner, its employees, agents , or business
invitees.
9. TL�at a fire emergency easement shall be retained on
behalf of the City of Saint Paul, Department of Fire &
Safety Services, 20 feet in width along the center
line of vacated Acker Street from Rice Street to the
e�ast line of the alley in Block 1 , extended southerly
in Greene' s Addition to St. Paul. Said easement shall
be subject to the following conditions:
a�. That the petitioner, its successors, and assigns
shall be solely responsible for maintaining this
easement at all times, including removing snow and
debris therefrom.
b. That the petitioner , its successors, and assigns
shall pay all costs and expenses for mounted signs
and the placement thereof, designating this
easement as a fire emergency area to include
prohibited parking , subject to the approval of the
Department of Fire & Safety Services.
c . That the petitioner , its successors , and assigns
shall pay all costs and expenses for materials and
construction of this easement to meet the
requirements of an all--weather road.
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10. Tha� a permanent easement be retained within the
vacated areas to protect the interests of U. W. West.
11 . That a permanent easement be retained within the
vacated areas to protect the interests of Northern
States Power Company.
12 . Tha�t the petitioner , its successors, and assigns by
acCeptance of the terms and conditions of this
vacation, agree to indemnify, defend, and save
harmless the City of Saint Paul , its officers, and
employees from all suits, actions, or claims of any
character brought as a result of injuries or damages
reCeived or sustained by any person, persons, or
property on account of this vacation, or petitioner ' s
us� of this property, including but not limited to a
claim brought because of any act of omission, neglect,
or misconduct of said petitioner or because of any
claims or liability arising from any violation of
any law or regulation made in accordance with the
law whether by the petitioner or any of its agents
or employees.
13. TYnat the petitioner , its successors, and assigns,
st�all within 60 days of the publication date of this
. r�solution, file within 60 days of the publication
d8te of this resolution, file with the city clerk, an
acceptance in writing of the conditions of this
r�esolution and shall within the period (s) specified in
the terms and conditions of this resolution, comply in
all respects with these terms and conditions.
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NOV 2 7 1990 Form AppXOVed by City A�torney
Adopted by Council: ; Date ,•�;
Adoption Certified by Council Secretary g _ /.�-r�-Z:Z��r ;`-=�,_.1 .
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By' Approved by Mayor for Submission to
Approved by Mayor: Date �/ � l/�oNOV 2 7 �cil
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DEPARTMENVOFFlG UNCiL INITIATED G R E E N S H E ET N° _11?2 3
rinance/Real Estate 10/17/90
�/p�'� INITIAl1DATE i
CONTAGT PE a�+ONE �OBPART��ENT DiRECfOR �I�TY CCU►� �
Dick McCann 298-5317 �N �crrr�rro��r �cm,a�c
MUST E ON UNCLL AGENOA BY(0A ) ���� �BU�C�ET aRECTOp QFIN.i MGT.SERV�CES DiR.
OROER Q MAYOR(OR ASSt8TAN'n ❑
TOTAL#E OF SiGNATURE PAGES �.y (CWP ALL LOCATIONS FOR SIGNATURE)
ACTION REGUESTED: ,
Approve resolution td vacate part of Acker Street,Park Street and�an adjoining
alley bounded b� Rice, Sycamore, Sylvan, and the Burlington Northern Railroad.
RECOMMENW►T10NS:ADW��(A1 a R�Nct(R) pHRSONA�SERVICE CONTRACTS YUST ANSWER TNH FOU.OWING GUESTIONS:
_�PLANNINO C0IAMISSION �;.CIVIL SEftVICE COM�M�SSION 1. H8S 1lIiS plfsOfUfiffll!V!f YYOfked Yfldlf 8 CalhaCt tOf itlif dlp�tbflaM?
CIB COMIArt7EE YB$ NO
—"”' 2. Has tlrs psnoNRm►evsr bssn a dty empbyes?
A sT� --r YES No
_DISTRICT CAlnii 3. Does tlrt P��rtn possess a skill not nortnalh P�bY�Y�+�ah'smpbyee7
SUPPORTS WFIICN COUNCtI OBJECTIV�7 YES NO
Explaln aB yes answsn on sepa�ste sh�et and attaeh to groen shest
Located in Council District 5
INITIATING PROBLEI�t,iSSUE,OPPORTUNITY( ,N/Mt,WMn,WMHn,Wny):
Petitioner has reque�E����s vacation to gain a�dit 1 rage area \�
for auto salvage.
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Ma'YOR'S OFFICE.
AOVANT/U3E$IF APPAOVEO:
Increases penit3�a�er's pro r and ovi s additional tax re for City.
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DISAOVANTAGES IF APPRONED: �
None. � �
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DISADVANTAOES IF NOT APPROVEO:
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Loss of additional tax revenue and restricts petitioner's land area to present site.
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TOTAL AMOUNT OF TRANSACTION� ��� ��� COST/REVENUE BUOGETED(CIRCIE ON� YES NO
.�a�., �rs-o- �u� � p r -o r 3u� - a P33 6
FUNDING SOURCE� �3 �� iL �M v C q D ^�T 6 a3 ACaTI�i�r�U�E� -
FI NANCIAI INFORAMTION:(EXPLAIN)
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14. ; FINAL ORDER: Acquiring permanent utility LAID QVER
, e�asements for the Larpenteur/Jackson Area FOR 2 WEEKS
Sltorm Sewer Project (Laid over in Committee
10/17/90) .
15. FINAL ORDER: For constructing the Larpenteur/ LAID OVER
Jackson Area Storm Sewer Project. Bounded by FOR 2 WEEKS
Larpenteur, Soo Line RR, Burlington Northern
RR and DNR right-of-way and I-35E. Also
jnstallation of sanitary, storm and water
service connections if requested by property
! �wners (Laid over in Committee 10/17/90) .
16. ' WACATION: Petition of Housing and Redevelopment APPROVED, 4-0
Authority for the vacation of part of Park
, 5treet, Acker Street and the alleys in Jillson's
, Addition bounded by Rice, Sycamore, Sylvan and
�the Burlington Northern Railroad. Purpose is to
develop Phase I of URAP North End Development
Project (Laid over in Committee 10/31/90 .
17. ACATION: Petition of Ace Auto for the vacation APPROVED, 4-0
of part of Acker Street and Park Street. Bounded
� ' by Rice, Sycamore, Sylvan and the Burlington
Northern Railroad. Purpose is to increase storage
�-- iarea for cars (Laid over in Committee 10/31/90) .
18. RESOLUTION 90-1966 - Authorizing payment of APPROVED, 3-0
�10,000 to Ron Ylitalo for purchase of Lot 5 of
'Charles Weide's Subdivision of Block 46 of
Arlington Hills Addition for access to Public
'Works' property (Referred to Gommittee 11/13/90) .
19. Continental Cablevision of St. Paul Year 5 FORWARDED TO
Evaluation and Franchise Fee Reduction Request. FULL COUNCIL,
(Laid over in Committee 10/31/90) 3-0
20. RESOLUTION 90-1938 - Endorsing concept of NO COMMITTEE
' district cooling and supporting development ACTION NEEDED
of system to serve downtown St. Paul and (ACTION TAKEN
requesting Ramsey County to participate in PREVIOUSLY)
public-private partnership with the City and
District Energy Services to finance Phase I
; of the proposed cooling system (Referred to
Committee 10/30/90) .
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RETURN GOPY T� ROOM 218 n Q I G� lel� � � r
REAL ESTATE DIVISION �J �� �,Council File # Q' �S�
(12-1990,1 RM �
! Green Sheet �` a�J
RESOLUTION
CITY OF SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA
Presented By '' � —
Referred To Committee: Date
RESOLUED, that upon the petition o Ace Auto Parts & Salvage,
Inc. per Finance Department File No. 1 1990, those parts of
Acker Street , Park Street , and the alle�� in Block 1 , Greene' s
Addition, hereinafter described are hereb�i vacated and
discontinued as public property. ,.`
The vacated area is described as follo�s:
Acker Street from Rice Street to a lin`� drawn from the
southwest corner of Lot 11, Block 2 , Ji�lson' s
Subdivision of Lots 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9�, and 10 ,
Guerin' s Out Lots, St. Paul, Minnesota, '�.o the
northwest corner of Lot 18 , GuP~ ' � ' s Out �Lots to St.
Paul.
All oE the a� ' �' s Addit'�on to St.
Paul ]���� extendec3", westerly
of Lc ; � �^� ' sion of �ots 3,
4, 5, � � ut Lots, �t.
Paul , I �/�� �',
Park S � opened ly��ng
south c ine 210 fe�et
south o � f�� � of Acker �`�
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All of tY. 1 � ��,�� rtion of L�t 17 of
Gueri;�' s �,!_�i" �ul accordi��ng to
the recorc � f � f�'fi � office of the
Reg i ster o /� ; ��� �� � _ �ounty, �
Minne�sota, �C��� ��-�� _ �ast 5 feet of s id
Lot 1�7, rec �`" 4��� �� ..�. 2286879 on October 3,
1985 . `�
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The vadation si,all be subject to the following conditior�s:
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�. hat this vacation shall be subject to all the teri�s
�nd conditions of Chapter 130, codified March 1 , 1981
�f the St. Paul Legislative Code, as amended.
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2. That the petitioner , its successors, and assigns shall
pay $21 , 5P15. 00 as compensation for this vacation which
represents the same base rate that the City paid to
the petitioner in 1990 for sewer easement and is due
' and payable within 60 days of the publication date of
this resolution.
3 . ; That the petitioner , its successors, and assigns shall
pay the City $16, 250. 00 for the ponding easement over
Lot 17 , Guerin ' s Out Lots to St . Paul originally
purchased by the City from the petitioner for this same
amount for which the City shall convey a Quit Claim
Deed to the petitioner , its successors and assigns .
Said ponding easement is no longer necessary for City
use and is described as follows:
All that portion of Lot 17 of Guerin ' s Out Lots to
City of St . Paul according to the recorded plat
thereof on file in the office of the Register of
Deeds in and for said Ramsey County, Minnesota ,
excepting therefrom, the East 5 feet of said
tot 17
4 . That permanent sewer easements be retained on behalf
ofithe City of Saint Paul, Department of Public Works
wiithin the vacated areas described as follows: Al1 of
t e alley in Block 1, Greene' s Addition to St. Paul
l�ing south of the north line, extended westerly, of
Lat 11, Block 2, Jilson' s Subdivision of Lots 3, 4, 5,
6, 7, 8 , 9, and 10 Guerin ' s Out Lots St. Paul ,
Minnesota; all that part of Acker Street lying
easterly of a line 18 feet west of and parallel to the
east line of Lot 12, extended southerly of Block 1 ,
Greene' s Addition to St . Paul and westerly of the
west line of Park Street. These easements shall
be subject to the following conditions:
a. No buildings, structures, or trees are permitted
within the easement area nor any temporary
structure, material storage, fixture, or other
; objects that will prohibit normal access to sewer
facilities for maintenance purposes.
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b�. No change from the existing grade is permitted
i without written permission from the Director of
the Department of Public Works .
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c. ' No change in surfacing within the easement area is
; permitted without written permission from the
i Director of the Department of Public Works .
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d. ,'' That the petitioner, its successors, and assigns
shall indemnify, defend, and save harmless the
City of Saint Paul, its officers, agents,
employees , and servants from all suits , actions ,
' or clairns which shall arise from any injuries, or
damages received or sustained by any break in any
' service pipe, water main, or connection in said
reserved easement, arising out of or resulting
from any action or negligence of the petitioner ,
its employees , agents , or business invitees .
5. That a permanent water utility easement be retained,
on behalf of the City of Saint Paul , Board of Water
Commissioners, within the easterly 40 feet of the
westerly 50 feet of vacated Park Street lying south of
va�ated Acker Street. This easement shall be subject
to the following conditions:
a. No buildings, structures, or trees are permitted
, within the easement area nor any temporary
; structure, material storage (including automobile
' parts ) , fixture , or other objects that will
prohibit normal access to water facilities for
maintenance purposes.
b. No change from the existing grade is permitted
without written permission from the Water Utility.
c. No change in surfacing within the easement area is
permitted without written permission from the
Water Utility.
d: That the petitioner , its successors , and assigns
shall fully indemnify, defend, and save harmless
i the Board of Water Commissioners , its officers,
agents, employees, and servants from all suits,
iactions , or claims which shall arise from any
injuries or damages received or sustained by any
break in any service pipe, water main, or
connection in said reserved easement, arising out
of or resulting from any action or negligence of
the petitioner, its employees , agents, or business
; invitees .
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6. That a fire emergency easement shall be retained on
behalf of the City of Saint Paul, Department of Fire &
Safety Services , 20 feet in width along the center
line of vacated Acker Street from Rice Street to the
east line of the alley in Block 1 , extended southerly
in Greene' s Addition to St. Paul. Said easement shall
be subject to the following conditions:
a. That the petitioner, its successors, and assigns
shall be solely responsible for maintaining this
easement at all times, including removing snow and
debris therefrom.
b. That the petitioner , its successors , and assigns
shall pay all costs and expenses for mounted signs
and the placement thereof, designating this
easement as a fire emergency area to include
prohibited parking , subject to the approval of the
Department of Fire & Safety Services.
c. That the petitioner , its successors , and assigns
shall pay all costs and expenses for materials and
construction of this easement to meet the
requirements of an all�weather road.
7 . That a permanent easement be retained within the
vacated areas to protect the interests of U. W. West.
8. That a permanent easement be retained within the
vacated areas to protect the interests of Northern
States Power Company.
9. That the petitioner , its successors, and assigns by
acceptance of the terms and conditions of this
�acation, agree to indemnify, defend, and save
�armless the City of Saint Paul , its officers , and
mployees from all suits, actions, or claims of any
�haracter brought as a result of injuries or damages
received or sustained by any person, persons, or
�roperty on account of this vacation, or petitioner ' s
�use of this property, including but not limited to a
!claim brought because of any act of omission, neglect ,
�or misconduct of said petitioner or because of any
claims or liability arising from any violation of
� any law or regulation made in accordance with the
jlaw whether by the petitioner or any of its agents
' or employees.
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Green Sheet #
' ` ' RESOLUTION
CITY OF SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA
Presented By
Referred To Committes: Date
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1�.; That the petitioner , its successors, and assigns ,
shall within 60 days of the publication date of this
' re�olution, file within 60 days of the publication
; dake of this resolution, file with the city clerk, an
ac�eptance in writing of the conditions of this
resolution and shall within the period (s) specified in
th�e terms and conditions of this resolution, comply in
all respects with these terms and conditions.
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Adopted by Council: Date Form Approved by City Attorney
Adoption Certified by Council Secretary g �
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BY� App�d by Mayor fo Submission to
Council
Approved by Mayor: Date �
By: �c��2�
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DEPARTMENT/OFFICE/COUNCIL DATEINITIATED GREEN SH�L.�� 9 1990*T O
Finance/Real Estate 10/17/90 l�. _11723
CONTACT PERSON&PHONE INITIAL/DATE INITIAUDATE
Dick McCann 98-5 17 �DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR � NCIL
ASSIGN �CITYATTORNEY �_f•^,'�T C�LERK
NUMBER FOR
MUST BE ON COUNCIL AOENDA BY(DATE) ROUTING �BUDGET DIRECTOR �FIN.&MGT.SERVICES DIR.
ORDER �MAYOR(OR ASSISTANT) Q
TOTAL#OF SIGNATURE PAGES (CLIP ALL LOCATIONS FOR SIGNATURE)
ACTION REQUESTED:
Approve resolution to va ate part of Acker Street,Park Street and an adjoining
alley bounded by R ce, camore, Sylvan, and the Burlington Northern Ra.ilroad.
RECOMMENDATIONS:Approve(A)or ReJect(R) PERSONAL SERVICE CONTRACTS MUST ANSWER THE FOLLOWING�UESTIONS:
_PLANNINO COMMISSION _ CIVI SERVICE COMMISSION �• Has this person/firm ever worked under a contract for this department?
_CIB COMMITfEE _ YES NO
2. Has this person/firm ever been a city employee?
A STAFF — YES NO
_DISTRICT COURT _ 3. Does this person/firm possess a skill not normally possessed by any current city employee?
SUPPORTS WHICH COUNCIL OBJECTIVE? YES NO
Explain all yes anawers on separate sheet and attach to green sheet
Located in Council D stri t 5
INITIATINQ PROBLEM,ISSUE,OPPORTUNI (Who,W at,When,Where,Why):
Petitioner has re uest d this vacatiorR'��`,�additional storage area
for auto salvage.
OC� 1 g 1990
OFFICE 0�T����RECTOR
DEPARTM�N� 0� �f�ANCE
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ADVANTACiES IF APPROVED: �
Increases pehi 3cp►ne 's property and provides additional tax revenue for City.
DISADVANTAGES IF APPROVED:
None.
OISADVANTAGES IF NOT APPROVED:
Loss of additi nal ax revenue and restricts petitioner's land area to present site.
RECEIVED ,
CO�nCl1 1":�t.'�,c��i� �`:.ili�i
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CITY CLERK � " � -�� �
TOTAL AMOUNT OF TRANSA TION S 3�,755.OO COST/REVENUE BUDGETEp(CIRCLE ONE) YES NO
FUNDING SOURCE ACTIVITY NUMBER 001-01300-2833
FINANCIAL INFORMATION:(EXPLA N) p ��
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NOTE: COMPLETE.DIRECTIONS ARE INCLUDED IN THE GREEN SHEET INSTRUCTIONAL
MANUAL AVAILABLE IN THE PURCHASING OFFICE(PHONE NO.296-4225).
ROUTING ORDER:
Below are correct routings for the five most frequent types of documeMs:
CONTRACTS(assumes authorized budget exists) COUNCIL RESOLUTION(Amend Budgets/Accept. Grants)
1. Outside Agency 1. Department Director
2. Department Director 2. City Attorney
3. City Attorney 3. Budget Director
4. Mayor(for contracts over$15,000) 4. Mayor/Assistant
5. Human Rights(for contracts over$50,000) 5. City Councii
6. Finance and Management Services Director 6. Chief Accountant, Finance and Management Services
7. Finance Accounting
ADMINISTRATIVE ORDERS(Budget Revision) COUNCIL RESOLUTION (all others,and Ordinances)
1. Activity Manager 1. Department Director
2. Department Accountant 2. City Attorney
3. Department Director 3. Mayor Assistant
4. Budget Director 4. City Council
5. City Clerk
6. Chief Accountant, Finance and Management Services
ADMINISTRATIVE ORDERS(all others)
1. Department Director
2. City Attorney i,;n-.,._,
3. Finance and Management Services Director '-�- f=-� ..:.�
4. City Clerk
TOTAL NUMBER OF SIGNATURE PAGES � - f �'
Indicate the#�of pages on which signatures are required and paperclip or flag" �
�sch of thees pages. .
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ACTtON REQUESTED
Describe what the projecUrequest seeks to accomplish in either chronologi- `
cai order or order of importance,whichever is most appropriate for the
issue. Do not write complete sentences.Begin each item in your list with
a verb.
RECOMMENDATIONS
Complete if the issue in question has been presented before any body,public
or private.
SUPPORTS WHICH COUNCIL OBJECTIVE?
Indicate which Councll objective(s)your projecVrequest supports by listing
the key word(s)(HOUSING, RECREATION, NEIGHBORHOODS, ECONOMtC DEVELOPMENT,
BUDGET,SEWER SEPARATION). (SEE COMPLETE LIST IN INSTRUCTIONAL MANUAL.)
PERSONAL SERVICE CONTRACTS:
This informatfon will be used to determine the citys liability for workers compensation claims,taxes and proper civil service hiring rules.
INITIATING PROBLEM, ISSUE,OPPORTUNITY
Explain the situation or conditions that created a need for your project
or request.
ADVANTAGES IF APPROVED
Indicate whether this is simply an annual budget procedure required by law/
charter or whether there are specific ways in which the City of Saint Paul
and its citizens will benefit from this project/action.
DISADVANTAGES IF APPROVED
What negative effects or major changes to existing or past processes might
this projecUrequest produce if it is passed(e.g.,traffic delays, noise,
tax increases or assessments)?To Whom?When?For how long?
DISADVANTAGES IF NOT APPROVED
What will be the negative consequences if the promised action;is nof
approved?Inabiliry to deliver service?Continued high tra�c, noise,'
accident rate?Loss of revenue?
FINANCIAL IMPACT
Although you must tailor the information you provide here to the issue you
are addressing, in general you must answer two questions: How much is it
going to cost?Who is going to pay?
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218 City Hall ,
(RM) (15-1990) ' Green Sheet #
RESOLUTION
ITY A PAUL MINNESOTA 9 �
Presented By
Referred To Committee: Date
RESOLV D, thait upon the petition of the Housing Redevelopment
Author ' ty of the City of Saint Paul , Minnesota , et al , per
Finance Depar�ment File No. 15--1990, those parts of Acker Street,
Park Street, �he alleys in Block 1 and 2, Jilson ' s Subdivision and
the alley adj ining lots 14 and 15 Guerin' s Outlots bounded by
Rice, Sycamor�, and Sylvan Streets , hereinafter described , are
hereby vacated and discontinued as public property.
That the vacated area is described as follows:
Acker Street lying easterly of a line drawn from the
southwest corner of Lot 11 , Block 2 , Jilson ' s Subdivision
Of Lots 3, 4 , 5, 6, 7, 8 , 9, and 10, Guerin' S Out Lots,
St . Paul , Minnesota to the northwest corner of Lot 18 ,
Guerin' s Out Lots to St. Paul and lying westerly of
Sylvan '�Street .
Park Stjreet from Sycamore Street to the south line of
Acker Sjtreet.
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All of the alleys in Block 1, Jilson ' s Subdivision of Lots
3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 , 9 and 10, Guerin' s Out Lots, St. Paul ,
Minnesoita
All of the alley adjoining Lot 4, Cardigan ' s Subdivision
St. Pau1, Minn.
All of the alley in Block l, Greene ' s Addition to St.
Paul .
All of the alley adjoining Lot 11 , Guerin ' s Out Lots to
St. Paul
All of the alleys adjoining lots 1 through 15 inclusive,
Block 2, Jilson' s Subdivision of Lots 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 , 9,
and 10, Guerin ' s Out Lots, St. Paul , Minnesota
All oflIthe alley adjoining Lots 14 and 15 , Guerin ' s
Out Lots to St. Paul
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The vacat%on shall be subject to the following conditions :
1 . Thati this vacation shall be subject to all the terms
and conditions of Chapter 130, codified March 1 , 1981
of �he St. Paul Legislative Code, as amended .
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2. Tha�t the petitioner , its successors , and assigns shall
pay a $500 .d0 administrative fee, for this vacation
wh� ch is due and payable within 60 days of the
pu lication date of this resolution.
3 . Thajt permanent sewer easements be retained on behalf
of the City of Saint Paul , Department of Public Works,
wi hin the vacated areas described as follows :
Va ated Acker Street lying between a line drawn from
th� southwest corner of Lot 11 , Block 2 , Jilson ' s
Su division of Lots 3 , 4 , 5 , 6 , 7 , 8 , 9 , and 10 ,
Gu rin ' s Out Lots , St . Paul , Minnesota to the
no thwest corner of Lot 18 , Guerin ' s Out Lots to St.
Pa 1 and a line 25 feet east of and parallel to the
ea t line of vacated Park Street; all of the alley
in Block 1 , Greene' s Addition; all that part of the
so�th 241 feet of the north 32 . 5 feet of vacated Acker
St�eet lying between a line 25 feet east of and parallel
tolthe east line of vacated Park Street and a line 70
fe�t east of and parallel to the west line of Lot
11 ,� extended southerly, of Guerin ' s Out Lots to St. Paul;
al]; that part of the easterly 20 feet of vacated Acker
Street , and also vacated Park Street from Acker Street
to ' Sycamore Street. These easements shall be subject
to the following conditions:
a. No buildings, structures , or trees are permitted
within the easement area nor any temporary
structure , material storage, fixture , or other
objects that will prohibit normal access to sewer
facilities for maintenance purposes.
b. No change from the existing grade is permitted
without written permission from the Director of
' the Department of Public Works.
c. ', No change in surfacing within the easement area is
� permitted without written permission from the
, Director of the Department of Public Works.
d. ' That the petitioner , its successors, and assigns
shall indemnify, defend , and save harmless the
' City of Saint Paul , its officers , agents ,
j employees , and servants from all suits , actions ,
' or claims which shall arise from any injuries, or
' damages received or sustained by any break in any
service pipe , water main, or connection in said
reserved easement , arising out of or resulting
from any action or negligence of the petitioner ,
its employees, agents, or business invitees.
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4. '�he petitioner , its successors, and assigns shall pay
' all costs and expenses for the reconstruction of all
street intersections affected by this vacation
� including but not limited to, new curbs, sidewalks ,
boulevards, drainage and private driveway, all to the
approval of the Department of Public Works.
5,. That permanent water utility easements be retained , on
behalf of the City of Saint Paul , Board of Water
' Commissioners, within the vacated areas described as
follows: The west half of vacated Park Street between
, S�camore Street and Acker Street; the west 50 feet of
v�cated Park Street lying between the north and south
line of Acker Street . These easements shall be
' subject to the following conditions:
, a. No buildings, structures , or trees are permitted
within the easement area nor any temporary
structure , material storage , fixture , or other
objects that will prohibit normal access to water
facilities for maintenance purposes.
b. No change from the existing grade is permitted
without written permission from the Water Utility.
c. P10 change in surfacing within the easement area is
permitted without written permission from the
Water Utility.
d. That the petitioner , its successors , and assigns
shall fully indemnify, defend, and save harmless
the Board of Water Commissioners, its officers,
agents , employees , and srvants from all suits ,
actions , or claims which shall arise from any
' injuries or damages received or sustained by any
break in any service pipe , water main , or
connection in said reserved easement , arising out
of or resulting from any action or negligence of
the petitioner, its employees, agents, or business
invitees .
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6: That the petitioner , its successors, and assigns, by
acceptance of the terms and conditions of this
vacation agree to indemnify, defend, and save
harmless the City of Saint Paul , its officers , and
employees from all suits , actions, or claims of any
character brought as a result of injuries or damages
received or sustained by any person, persons, or
property on account of this vacation or petitioner ' s
use of this property, including but not limited to a
claim brought because of ar�y act of omission, neglect,
or misconduct of said petitioner because of any claim
or liability arising from any violation of any law or
regulation made in accordance with the law whether by
th� petitioner or any or its agents or employees .
7. That the petitioner, its successors, and assigns,
shall within 6H days of the publication date of this
re�olution, file with the City Clerk an acceptance in
wr�ting of the condition of this resolution and shall
wilthin the period (s) specified in the terms and
cor�ditions of this resolution, comply in all respects
witkh these terms and conditions.
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Adopted by Council: Dat� NOV 2 7 1990 Form Ap�S'�oved by City Attorney
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Adoption ertified by Coiancil Secretary � � �
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By' Approved by Mayor for Submission to
Approved by Mayor: Date //�x j�jnNOV 2 "� ��uncil
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OEPAATMENT/OPFICFJCOUNCIL � DATE INITIATED G R E E N S H E ET � N� ������
Finanace/Real Estate Div sion 10/17/90 �Ni�,�� - u�R�auonr�
CONTACT PERSON 8 PHONE �DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR �ClTY(�(lt�
Dick McCann 238-53I7 —
NU 6ER f011 ❑CfTYATTORNEY ��y7y(�p�(
MUST BE ON COUNCiL AGENDA 8Y(DAT ROUTING �HUOC3ET DIRECTDp �FlN.8 M(i2 SERVICES OIFi.
ORCHR �MAY'OR(OR ASSISTANn �
TOTAL#OF SIGNATURE PAGES 1 (CUP ALI.IOCATIONS FOR SIGNATURE�
ACTION REQUESTEO:
Approve resolution v�cating parts of Acker Street, Park Street, and adjoining
alleys bounded by Ri�e Street, Sylvan Street, Sycamore and the Burliagton
Northern Railroad. �
RECOMMENDATIONS:Approw(A)w RsjKt(R) pERSONAI SERViCE CONTRACTS MUST AN8WER THE FOLLOWING GUESTIONS:
_PLANNINQ COMMISSION �CIVIL SE1aNICE COMMISSION �• H��P����eve►worked u�der a corqnet tor this d�nent?
_CIB COMMITTEE YE5 NO �
� 2. Has tlWS personl8rm ever been a city employe�?
A srAFF rson
— ' YES NO •
_ 013TRICT COURT _ 3. DOea this ero0nflirm
P possess a skill not rarmeNy poaaesad py a�ry artsnt city�mployee?
SUPPORTS WMICH COUNCiL OBJECTIVEI YE5 NO
Explaln aN yes answ�n on separate sheet aed attach to yra�n ahest
Located in Counail D�strict 5
INITIATINO PROBIEM,ISSUE.OPPOqTUNITY(Who,W�e4�sn.WMro,Wny):
Petitioner has reque�ted this vacation which is req�ired for the North End
URAP Industrial Park No. 90-1, Dfstrict 6.
ADVANTAGES�F APPHOVED:
Provides overall reha;bilitation of the area andnew businasses which will
provide more employmeint opportunities.
DISADVANTAf3E$IF APPROVED:
None. '
OISADVANTA(iES IF NOTAPPNOVED:
Disapproval will delay the project.
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TOTAL AMOUNT OF TRANSACTION S SOO,OO COST/REVENUE BUD�ETED(ClRCLE CNE) YES NO
FUNOINCa SOURCE � ACTIVITY NUMBER OO1-01300-2833
FINANCIAI INFORMATION:(EXPLAIN)
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14. FINAL ORDER: Acquiring perman nt ' ity LAID OVER
easements for the Larpenteur/Ja on Area FOR 2 WEEKS
' $torm Sewer Project (Laid over in Committee
�0/17/90) .
15. ' FINAL ORDER: For constructing the Larpenteur/ LAID OVER
' �ackson Area Storm Sewer Project. Bounded by FOR 2 WEEKS
I�arpenteur, Soo Line RR, Burlington Northern
�R and DNR right-of-way and I-35E. Also
jnstallation of sanitary, storm and water
ervice connections if requested by property
wners (Laid over in Committee 10/11/90) .
16. ACATION: Petition of Housing and Redevelopment APPROVED, 4-0
, - uthority for the vacation of part of Park
' treet, Acker Street and the alleys in Jillson's
' ddition bounded by Rice, Sycamore, Sylvan and
he Burlington Northern Railroad. Purpose is to
evelop Phase I of URAP North End Development
roject (Laid over in Committee 10/31/90).
17. V!ACATION: Petition of Ace Auto for the vacation APPROVED, 4-0
af part of Acker Street and Park Street. Bounded
,� " by Rice, Sycamore, Sylvan and the Burlington
� Nprthern Railroad. Purpose is to increase storage
! � a�rea for cars (Laid over in Committee 10/31/90) .
18. RESOLUTION 90-1966 - Authorizing payment of APPROVED, 3-0
�'10,000 to Ron Ylitalo for purchase of Lot 5 of
Charles Weide's Subdivision of Block 46 of
A►^lington Hills Addition for access to Public
Wbrks' property (Referred to Committee 11/13/90) .
19. Cpntinental Cablevision of St. Paul Year 5 FORWARDED TO
Evaluation and Franchise Fee Reduction Request. FULL COUNCIL,
(Laid over in Committee 10/31/90) 3-0
20. R�SOLUTION 90-1938 - Endorsing concept of NO COMMITTEE
district cooling and supporting development ACTION NEEDED
of system to serve downtown St. Paul and (ACTION TAKEN
requesting Ramsey County to participate in PREVIOUSLY)
p�blic-private partnership with the City and
District Energy Services to finance Phase I
of the proposed cooling system (Referred to
Committee 10/30/90) .
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Please -return copy to: �R I G I NA L
Real Estate Division �1 `
218 City Hall �1 /� !
(RM) (15-1990) Council File # -
Green Sheet � �� '�o� oL-
RESOLUTION
' CITY SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA
Presented B � . _,
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Referred To Committee: Date
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RESOLVED, ! that upon the., petition of the Housing Redevelopment
Authorit� of the City of Saint Paul , Minnesota , et al , per
Finance D�pari�ment File No: 15-1990, those parts of Acker Street,
Park Stre�t , the alleys in B].ock 1 and 2, Jilson ' s Subdivision and
the alley adjqininq lots 14 an�i 15 Guerin' s Outlots bounded by
Rice, Syc�mor�, and Sylvan Strests , hereinafter described, are
hereby va�atec� and discontinued 'a,s public property.
That the vacated area is described as follows:
Acker 3treet lying easterly of a line drawn from the
so�uthwest - - r � -` " "' �^y ' T� '.son' s Subdivision
of ' Lots 3, �rin' s Out Lots,
St. Paul , ` :ner of Lot 18,
Guerin' s c �� ��~� \ westerly of
Sylvan St� �
Park S�reE j l — \\ south line of
Acicer 51tr� � � �
All of �th� 3ubdivision of Lots
3, 4, 5i, ��` L Yy� � � ��,i � Lats, St. Paul ,
Minnesata a
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� All of th� � r ,�.�- �;�--���J f� ��`� �an ' s Subdivision
t�..#;�--� .�. w
St. Paul, , ,
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All of , tr � , 18, 19, 241, and
21, Blolck �ul .
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All of I!the alley adjoining Lot 11 , Guerin ' s Out Lots to
St. Pau1
All of the alleys adjoining lots 1 through 15 incl�sive,
Block 2, Jilson' s Subdivision of Lots 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 , '�, 9,
and 1�l, Guerin ' s Out Lots , St. Paul , Minnesota
All of '� the alley adjoining Lots 14 and 15 , Guerin ' s
. Out Lot to St. Paul
The vacat ' on shall be subject to the following conditions:
1 . That this vacation shall be subject to all the terms
and conditions of Chapter 13�1, codified March 1 , 1981'
of the St. Paul Legislative Code, as amended.
ORI�GI �fAt � � �-� � � � �o���-�
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2. That the petitioner , its successors, and assigns shall
pay a $501�J. 0� administrative fee, for this vacation
which is due and payable within 60 days of the
' publication date of this resolution.
3 , That permanent sewer easements be retained on behalf
of the City of Saint Paul, Department of Public Works,
within the vacated areas described as follows :
Vacated Acker Street lying between a line drawn from
the southwest corner of Lot 11 , Block 2 , Jilson ' s
Subdivision of Lots 3 , 4 , 5 , 6 , 7 , 8 , 9 , and l�l ,
Guerin ' s Out Lots , St . Paul , Minnesota to the
northwest corner of Lot 18, Guerin ' s Out Lots to St.
Paul and a line 25 feet east of and parallel to the
east line of vacated Park Street; all of the alley
adjoining lots 12 through 16 inclusive , Block 1 ,
Gr�ene ' s Addition; all that part of the north 20 feet
of the south 32 . 5 feet of vacated Acker Street lying
between a line 25 feet east of and parallel to the
east line of vacated Park Street and a line 70 feet
ea5t of and parallel to the west line of Lot 11 ,
extended southerly, of Guerin ' s Out Lots to St. Paul;
all that part of the easterly 20 feet of vacated Acker
St�eet, and also vacated Park Street from Acker Street
to Sycamore Street. These easements shall be subject
to the following conditions:
a. No buildings, structures , or trees are permitted
within the easement area nor any temporary
structure , material storage, fixture , or other
objects that will prohibit normal access to sewer
facilities for maintenance purposes.
b. No change from the existing grade is perrnitted
� without written permission from the Director of
, the Department of Public Works.
c. No change in surfacing within the easement area is
permitted without written permission from the
Director of the Department of Public Works.
d. That the petitioner , its successors, and assigns
' shall indemnify, defend , and save harmless the
'City of Saint Paul , its officers , agents ,
employees , and servants from all suits, actions ,
or claims which shall arise from any injuries , or
'damages received or sustained by any break in any
'service pipe, water main, or connection in said
�reserved easement , arising out of or resulting
from any action or negligence of the petitioner ,
its employees, agents, or business invitees.
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4. , The petitioner , its successors, and assigns shall pay
all costs and expenses for the reconstruction of all
street intersections affected by this vacation
including but not limited to , new curbs, sidewalks,
boulevards, drainage and private driveway, all to the
approval of the Department of Public Works .
5. That permanent water utility easements be retained , on
behalf of the City of Saint Paul , Board of Water
Cornmissioners, within the vacated areas described as
follows: The west half of vacated Park Street between
Sycamore Street and Acker Street; the west 50 feet of
vacated Park Street iying between the north and south
line of Acker Street . These easements shall be
subject to the following conditions:
a. No buildings, structures, or trees are permitted
within the easement area nor any temporary
' structure , material storage , fixture , or other
', objects that will prohibit normal access to water
facilities for maintenance purposes.
b. No change from the existing grade is permitted
without written permission from the Water Utility.
c. No change in surfacing within the easement area is
permitted without written permission from the
Water Utility.
d. That the petitioner , its successors, and assigns
shall fully indemnify, defend , and save harmless
the Board of Water Commissioners, its officers,
agents , employees , and srvants from all suits ,
�actions , or claims which shall arise from any
,injuries or damages received or sustained by any
�break in any service pipe , water main , or
'connection in said reserved easement, arising out
of or resulting from any action or negligence of
the petitioner, its employees , agents, or business
invitees .
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6. ' That the petitioner , its successors, and assigns , by
� acceptance of the terms and conditions of this
, va�ation agree to indemnify, defend, and save
, ha�mless the City of Saint Paul , its officers, and
' employees from all suits, actions, or claims of any
' character brought as a result of injuries or damages
received or sustained by any person, persons, or
property on account of this vacation or petitioner ' s
use of this property, including but not limited to a
claim brought because of any act of omission, neglect,
or misconduct of said petitioner because of any claim
or liability arising from any violation of any law or
reg,ulation made in accordance with the law whether by
the petitioner or any or its agents or employees .
7. Thatt the petitioner, its successors, and assigns,
sha,ll within 60 days of the publication date of this
res�olution, file. with the City Clerk an acceptance in
writing of the condition of this resolution and shall
wit�in the period (s) specified in the terms and
conditions of this resolution, comply in all respects
� with these terms and conditions.
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Adopted by Council: ' Date
Form Approved by City Attorney
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Approved by Mayor for Submission to
Council
Approved by Mayor: Date � �
By:
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DEPARTMENT/OFFICElCOUNCIL DATEINITIATED GREEN S1���9 1990 N�. _11722
Finanace/Real Est te D vision 10/17/90 INITIAUDATE INITIAUDATE
CONTACT PERSON&PHONE �DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR C��I+TY�COUNCIL
Dick McCann 298-5317 pgSIGN �CITYATfORNEY �WLCIERK
NUNBER FOR
MUST BE ON COUNCIL AQENDA BY( TE) pOUTING BUDGET DIRECTOR �FIN.&MGT.SERVICES DIR.
ORDER OR(OR ASSISTAN� �
TOTA�#OF SIGNATURE P ES (CLIP ALL LOCATIONS FOR SIGNATURE)
ACTION REQUESTED:
Approve resolu ion acating parts of Acker Street, Park Street, and adjoining
alleys bounded by R ce Street, Sylvan Street, Sycamore and the Burlington
Northern Railr ad.
RECOMMENDATIONS:Approve(A)or Re (R) PERSONAL SERVICE CONTRACTS MUST ANSWER THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS:
_ PLANNINO COMMISSION CIVIL S VICE COMMI3SION �• Has this person/firm ever worked under a co�tract for this department?
_CIB COMMITTEE YES NO
2. Has this person/firm ever been a city employee?
A STAFF
— YES NO
_DISTRICT COURT 3. Does this person/firm possess a skill not normaily possessed by any current city employee7
SUPPORTS WHICH COUNCIL OBJECTIV 7 YES NO
Explaln all yea answsrs on ssperats sheet and attach to groen sheet
Located in Cou cil D'strict 5
INITIATINO PROBLEM,13SUE,OPPORT NITY(Wh ,Whflt,When,Where,Why):
Petitioner has eque ted this vacation which is req�ired for the North End
URAP Industrial Park No. 90-1, District 6. RE��'vED
OCT 181990
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ADVANTAGES IF APPROVED:
D��ARTMEN� OF FI�NA�NCE
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Provides overal reha ilitation of the a�ea an�new businasses which will
provide more em loyme t opportunities.
D13ADVANTAGES IF APPROVED:
None.
DI3ADVANTAQE3 IF NOT APPROVED:
Disapproval will d lay he project. �'
RECEiv�
NOVO�i ���n�s; �v���,-�>> ��5,tu�
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TOTAL AMOUNT OF TRANSACTION s SOO.OO COST/REVENUE BUDGETED(CIRCLE ONE) YES NO
FUNDINf3 SOURCE ACTIVITY NUMBER 001-01300-2833
FINANCIAL INFORMATION:(EXPLAIN) rJ I� 1
C.��M
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NOTE: .COMPLETE DIRECTIONS ARE INCLUDED IN THE GREEN SHEET INSTRUCTIONAL
MANUAL AVAILABLE IN THE PURCHASING OFFICE(PHONE N0.298-4225).
ROUTING ORDER:
Below are correct routings for the five most frequent rypes of documents: r
CONTRACTS(assumes authorized budget exists) COUNCIL RESOLUTION (Amend Budgets/Accept.Grants)
1. Outside Agency 1. Department Director
2. Department Director 2. City Attorney
3. City Attorney 3. Budget Director
4. Mayor(for contracts over a15,000) 4. Mayor/Assistant
5. Human Rights(for contracts over$50>000) 5. City Council
6. Finance and Management Services Director 6. Chief Accountant, Finance and Management Services
7. Financc�Accounting
ADMINISTRATIVE ORDERS(Budget Revision) COUNCIL RESOLUTION (all others,and OMinances)
1. Activity Manager 1. Department Director
2. Department Accountant 2. City Attorney
3. Department Director 3. Mayor Assistant
4. Budget Director 4. City Council
5. City Clerk
6. Chief Accountant, Finance and Management Services
ADMINISTRATIVE ORDERS(all others)
1. Department Director
2. City Attorney
3. Finance and Management Services Director
4. Ciry Clerk
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TOTAL NUMBER OF SIGNATURE PAGES '�'�
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�aCh of thess p�ges.
.. � � �t � :�i a .
ACTION REQUESTED
Describe what the project/request seeks tc�acxpmpliSh in either chronologi-
cal order or order of importance,which9veY is mosi�oprii�$�e'#Or tAe
issue. Do not write camplete sentences.Be�in each itera in y,our list vwth
a verb.
RECOMMENDATIONS
Complete if the issue in question has been presented before any body,public
or private.
SUPPORTS WHICH COUNCIL OBJECTIVE?
Indicate which Council objective(s)your project/request supports by listing
the key wo�d(s) (HOUSING, RECREATION, NEIGHBORHOODS, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT,
BUDGET,SEWER SEPARATION). (SEE COMPLETE LIST IN INSTRUCTIONAL MANUAL.)
PERSONAL SERVICE CONTRACTS:
This information will be used to determine the citys liability for workers compensation claims,taxes and proper civil service hiring rules.
INITIATING PROBLEM, ISSUE,OPPORTUNITY
Explain the situation or conditions that created a need for your project
or request.
ADVANTAOES IF APPROVED
Indicate whether this is simply an annual budget procedure required by law/
charter or whether there are specific ways in which the City of Saint Paul
and its citizens will benefit from this projecUaction.
DISADVANTAGES IF APPROVED
What negaUve effects or major changes to existing or past processes might
this projecUrequest produce if it is passed (e.g.,traffic delays, noise,
tax increases or assessments)?To Whom?When?For how long�•
DISADVANTAGES IF NOT APPROVED �
What will be the negative consequences if the promised actbn is qot:
approved?Inability to deliver service?Continued high trAffic, noise,
accident rate?Loss of revenue? -
FINANCIAL IMPACT
Although you must tailor the information you provide here to the issue you
are addressing, in general you must answer two questions:How much is it
going to cost?Who is going to pay?
PUBLIC HEARING November 8, 1990 I
8
CITY OF ST. PAUL COU E NO. �
AMENDED FINAL ORDER
� By
ile . 94
Voting In the Matter of
Wsrd I
2 & 3 �
Improve the followi�ng streets with a new bitu�inous roadway , concrete curb
and guttera , drive�sy aprons will be reconstructed with concrete and new
concrete outwalks . Boulevards will be regraded and sodded and a lantern
style street lighting system will be installed :
�
Niles ' from Hamline to Edgcumbe
Syndicate from Bayard to Juno
Griggs from Highland Parkway to Randolph
Edgcumbe f rom Highland Parkway to Randolph ( Paving only)
Montcalm from Highland Parkway to Juno
Scheffer from Edgcumbe to Montcalm and
from Lexington Parkway to Pleasant
Highland Pkwy from Edgcumbe to Kontcalm
Eleanor from Edgcumbe to Montcalm and
from Pleasant to 35E
Watson from Edgcumbe to Montcalm
Pleasant, from Lexington Parkway to Scheffer
Otto ', from Lexington Parkway to Alaska
May , from Alaska to Middleton
Middleton from Vista to May
Vista ' from Middleton to Race
Rac� j from Albion to Vista
Ala�ka ' from Race to W. 7th Street
Albion � from Lexington Parkway to Adrian
BenSon I from Glen Terrace to Elway
Ivan Way� from Benson to Elway
Dealton from W. 7th Street to Benson
Adr�an from Albion to East 130 feet
Montcal Hill from Montcalm to East 270 feet
Mon�tcal Court (south of Highland Parkway)
All to be kn�own as the Edgcumbe/Bayard Area Street Paving and Lighting
Project .
I
COUNCIL PERSOI'�T Adopted by the CouncIl: Date
NOV 8 1990
Yeas Dimond Na�}s
Goswitz � Certified P d y Council Secretary
Long
Maccabee � In Favor By
Rettman j �
Thune ' � Against /'/h+-G,�/
Wilson ' Mayor
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NOV 9 1990
Pl1BliSHED N 0 V 1�7 1990.
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' ' RE102490 /(� " ✓�� • �� �J •
l l l.�Q l-� �
DEPARTMENTlOFFICE/COUNCIL DATE INITIATED N� _10 8 9 2
Finance Department/Re 1 Es ate 10/23/90 GREEN SHEET
INITIAUDATE INITIAUDATE
NTACT PERSON&PHONE �DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR �CITY COUNCIL
eter �llt2 5 17 A8810N �CITYATTORNEY �CITYCLERK
MUST BE ON COUNCIL AOENDA BY(DATE) 11� 9O RO��FOR ❑BUDGET DIRECTOR � �FIN.&MGT.SERVICES Dlq.
M11St be lII City Cler �S O� 11q ORDER �MAYOR(ORASSISTAN'n � Council Research
1/.9
TOTAL#OF SIGNATURE PAGE 1 (CLIP ALL LOCATIONS FOR 31GNATURE)
ACTION REOUESTED:
Amend Final Order t appr ve construction of the Edgcumbe/Bayard Area Street Paving and
Lighting Project. See riginal Green Sheet 10882 File ��18594
RECOMMENDATIONS:Approve(A)or Rej�ct( ) PERSONAL SERVICE CONTRACTS MUST ANSWER THE FOLLOWINd QUESTIONS:
_ PLANNINO COMMISSION _CI IL SERVI E COMMISSION �� Haa this personlfirm ever worked under a coMract for this department?
_CIB COMMITTEE _ YES NO
2. Has this person/firm ever been a aty employee?
�sTA� — YES NO
_DISTRICT COURT — 3. Does this person/firm possess e skill not normally possessed by any current city empioyee?
SUPPORT3 WHICH COUNCIL OBJECTIVE? Ward 2 & 3 YES NO
Safer and better nei hbor OOdB Explaln all yea answers on separste sheet and attach to ynen shset
Sewer Separation
INITIATINO PROBLEM,ISSUE,OPPORTUNI (Who, het,When,Where,Why):
ADVANTAOEB IF APPROVED:
DISADVANTAGES IF APPROVED:
DI3ADVANTAQE3 IF NOT APPROVED:
R�CEtVED
. �30��� � Cflunr,,'t E�:��ar•ca� C�;���r
t�V I� �� 1�9U
CITY ��ERK . . . � .__ . �
TOTAL AMOUNT OF TRANSACTION : COST/REVENUE BUD(iETED(CIRCLE ONE) YES NO
^ FUNDIN(i SOURCE
ACTIVITY NUMBER
FINANCIAL INFORMATION:(EXPLAIN) �W
NOTE: COMRLETE DIRECTIONS ARE INCLUDED IN THE GREEN SHEET INSTRUCTIONAL
MANUAL AVAILABLE IN THE PURCHASING OFFICE(PHONE NO.298-4225).
ROUTING ORDER:
Below are correct routings for the five most frequent rypes of documents:
CONTRACTS(assumes suthorized budget exists) COUNCIL RESOLUTION (Amend Budgets/Accept. Grants)
1. Outside Agency 1. Department Director
2. Department Director 2. City Attorney
3. City Attorney 3. Budget Director
4. Mayor(for contracts over$15,000) 4. Mayor/Assistant
5. Human Rights(for contracts over$50,000) 5. Ciry Council
6. Finance and Management Services Director 6. Chief Accountant, Finance and Management Services
7. Finance Accounting
ADMINISTRATIVE ORDERS(Budget Revision) COUNCIL RESOLUTION(all others,and Ordinances)
1. Activity Manager 1. Department Director
2. Department Accountant 2. City Attorney
3. Department Director 3. Mayor Assistant
4. Budget Director 4. Ciry Council
5. City Clerk
6. Chief Accountant, Finance and Management Services
ADMINISTRATIVE ORDERS(all others)
1. Department Director
2. Ciry Attorney
3. Finance and Management Services Director
4. City Clerk
TOTAL NUMBER OF SIGNATURE PAGES
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each of these pages.
ACTION REQUESTED
Describe what the projecVrequest seeks to accomplish in either chronologi-
cal order or order of importance,whichever is most appropriate for the
issue. Do not write complete sentences. Begin each item in your list with
a verb.
RECOMMENDATIONS
Complete if the issue in question has been presented before any body,public
or private.
SUPPORTS WHICH COUNCIL OBJECTIVE?
Indicate which Council objective(s)your projecUrequest supports by listing
the key word(s) (HOUSING, RECREATION, NEIGHBORHOODS, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT,
BUDGET, SEWER SEPARATION). (SEE COMPLETE LIST IN INSTRUCTIONAL MANUAL.)
PERSONAL SERVICE CONTRACTS:
This information will be used to determine the city's liability for workers compensation claims,taxes and proper civil service hiring rules.
INITIATING PROBLEM, ISSUE, OPPORTUNITY
Explain the situation or conditions that created a need for your project
or request.
ADVANTAGES IF APPROVED
Indicate whether this is simply an annual budget procedure required by law/
charter or whether there are specific ways in which the Ciry of Saint Paul
and its citizens will benefit from this projecVaction.
DISADVANTAGES IF APPROVED
What negative effects or major changes to existing or past processes might
this project/request produce if it is passed(e.g.,traffic delays, noise,
tax increases or assessments)?To Whom?When? For how long?
DISADVANTAGES IF NOT APPROVED
What will be the negative consequences if the promised action is not
approved?Inability to deliver service?Continued high traffic, noise, ,
accident rate? Loss of revenue?
FINANCIAL IMPACT •
Although you must tailor the information you provide here to the issue you
are addressing, in general you must answer two questions: How much is it
going to cost?Who is going to pay?
4 I � /�{��Y ����� JI
� y ._ RE 9/6/90 ��� � -�✓ _� �
DEPARTMENTlOFFICclCOUNC�L OATE INITIATED ' '
Finance Department/Rea Estate . 9/5/90 GREEN SHEET N� -1�882
CONTACT PERSON 8 PHONE �OEPARTMENT OIRECTORNRUWOATE a C'TM�C� INITIAUOATE
� � Peter White 298- 318 A��N �cmnrroANer �cmc��uc
4 • NUMBERFOR
' \:: :.�AUS BE ON COUNCiI AGENDA B (OA7� ROUTiNf3 �BUOGET DIiiECT'OH �FIN.8 MGT.3ERVICE3 DIR.
Must be in City C1 rk' Off OROER �MAYON(ORASSISTANn Q�('nu��{� R
later than oon W
TOTAL#OF SIGNATURE PAGES ' 1 (CLIP ALL LOCATIONS FOR SICNATURE)
ACTION REQUESTEO:
Setting hearing date ,
Approve construc�tion f the Edgcumbe/Bayard Area Street Paving and Lighting Project
File �� 18594 I ,
RECOMMENOATIONS:Approvs(A) Rejeet(R pERSONAL SERVICE CONTRACTS MUST ANSWER TNE FOILOWIHG�UESTIONS:
_PLANNING COMMISSION '`_ CIV,L SERVICE COMMISSION �• Has this person/firm ever worked under a conVact fot this departm�t?
CIB COMMITTEE YES NO
2. Has this perso�rm ever been a aty employee?
A STAFF — YES NO
_DISTRICT COURr _ 3. Does this personRirm possess a skill not normally possessed by any current ciiy empioyee?
� SUPPOfiTS WHICH COUNCIL OBJECTIVE? YES NO
� Ward 2 & 3
_ Sewer Separation Explain alt yes answers on separate sheet and attach to green sheet
Safer and Better Neig�borhoods
INITIATING PROBIEM,ISSUE.OPPORTUNITY'(Who,MfhaC When,Where,Why�:
Streets will be torn y�p to do Edgcumbe/Bayard Storm Sewer Project
C . '�utt�ngAPinEpaving, c�rb and gutters & better lighting will reduce maintenance costs and
make the neighborhood'' safer and nicer looking.
DISADVANTAGES IFAPPqOVEO:
Streets will be town �p during construction season.
.. Property owners will l�ave 20 year assessments attached to their properties
I
013AOVANTAOES If NOTAPPpOVHD:
Streets would continu to be costly to maiatain
�
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I
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TOTAL AMOUNT OF TRANSACTION �2�381�600.OO • COST/REVENUE BUDGETED(CIRCLE ONE) �YES� NO
ASSess ents ,
FUNDiNG SOURC�991 Ca 'ta Im V8 e 5,�(a��Qy NUMBER
FINANCIAL INFORMATION:(EXPL�N) CS P Funds - $243�3OO.OO I
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� CITY OF SAINT PAUL N►embers:
4 ptTT p,
,�a ; OFFICE OF THE CiTY COUNCIL Roger J. Goswitz,chair
. � a i David Thune,vice chair
o a
a "i'�;;p�� ; . Tom Dimond
�� „� R�CEIVED Bob Long
,... Date: OcEober 31.1990
Committee Report ��331i990
CITY CLERK
To: Saint Paul City Council
From: F�ubli Works, Utilities, and Transportation Committee
�toge J. Goswitz, Chair
Hearing Date ' Action
Aipproval of Minutes of October 17, 1990. APPROVED 3-0
1. FINAL IIORDER: For improving Stewart Avenue from APPROUED 3-0
Alton iStreet to Springfield Street by grading
pavin� and constructing concrete curb and gutter
where ';necessary. (Laid over in Committee 9/19/90
and la/3/90)
2. 11/8/90 VACATI�'ON: Petition of Housing and Redevelopment LAID OVER TO
Authonity for the vacation of part of Park Street, 11/21/90
Acker Street and the alleys in Jillson's-Addition
bound�d by Rice, Sycamore, Sylvan and the
Burlir�gton Northern Railroad. Purpose is to
develop Phase I of URAP North End Development
Project.
3. 11/8/90 VACAT�ON: Petition of Ace Auto for the vacation LAID OVER TO
of par�t of Acker Street and Park Street. Bounded 11/21/90
by Ri�e, Sycamore, Sylvan and the Burlington
North�rn Railroad. Purpose is to increase storage
area �or cars. .
4. 11/8/90 �1MEND D FINAL ORDER: Improve the following streets APPRO
with bituminous roadway, concrete curb and gutters, 3-0
concr te driveway aprons and outwalks, boulevard
resto ation and a lantern style street lighting
syste for parts of Niles, Syndicate, Griggs,
Edgcu be, Montcalm, Scheffer, Highland Parkway,
�lean r, Watson, Pleasant, Otto, May, Middleton,
ista Race, Alaska, Albion, Benson, Ivan Way and
Qealt n. All to be knowr� as the Edgcumbe/Bayard
brea treet Paving and Lighting Pr '
5. 11/8/90 FINAL ORDER: Constructing the Edgcumbe/Bayard APPROVED
Area torm Sewer Project. Area bounded by Hamline, 3-0
Rando ph, 35E and Shepard Road. Also construction
of sa itary, storm and water service connections,
if re�uested by property owners.
i
�
�� 6. 11/1/90 FINAL ORDER: Improving the following streets � APPROVED
with a bituminous roadway, concrete urb and 3-0
gutters, concrete driveway aprons and outwalks,
boulevard restoration and a lantern style street
lighting system for parts of Bayard, Eleanor,
Finn, Kenneth, Niles, Sumner and Watson. All to
be known as the Highland Mt. Curve Area Street
Paving and Lighting Project.
7. 11/1/90 FINAL ORDER: For constructing the Highland/ APPROVED
Mt. Curve Area Storm Sewer Project. Bounded by 3-0
Randolph, Fairview, Highland Parkway, and the
Mississippi River Blvd. Also, installation of
sanitary, storm and water service connections,
if requested by the property owners.
8. FIRST READING - 90-1792 - An ordinance repealing APPROVED AS
Chapters 408 and 420 of the Legislative Code and AMENDED 3-0
enacting a new Chapter 408 regulating the
businesses of recycling collection centers and
recycling processing centers. (Referred to
Committee 10/11/90)
9. RESOLUTION - 90-1849 - Declaring a moratorium on LAID OVER
the installation of fiber optic telecommunications INDEFINITELY
lines within the public right-of-way for the next
ninety (90) days. (Referred to Committee 10/18/90)
10. Continental Cablevision of St. Paul Year 5 LAID OVER TO
Evaluation and Franchise Fee Reduction Request. 11/21/90
ii
CITY OF ST� PAUL COi3A�E-��`�LE N .
� F I N A L O� R D R J ��-� '�f .-..____�., �'
Bq \__ F
' � ��
; File
Votiny In the Matter of�
Ward j
�i"'� �� .
Improve the followin� streets with a new bituminous roadwaq , concrete curb
and gutters , drivewa;y aprons will be reconstructed with concrete and new
concrete outwalks . Bpulevards will be regraded and sodded and a green
lantern stqle streetilighting system will be installed :
�
Niles from Hamline to Edgcumbe
Syndicate from Bayard to Juno
Griggs from Highland Parkway to RandQlph
Edgcumbe from Highland Parkway to Randolph (Aid Street )
Montcalm from Highland Parkway to Juno
Scheffer from Edgcumbe to Montcalm and
from Lexington Parkway to Pleasant
Aighland Pkw�y from Edgcumbe t'o Montcalm
Eleanor from Edgcumbe to Montcalm and
from Pleasant to 35E
Watson from Edgcumbe to Montcalm
Pleasant from Lexington Parkway to Scheffer
Otto from Lexington Parkway to Alaska
"'� from Alaska to Middleton
from Vista to May
- Lexington to Race
��J��-� ~� Vista
� .
�� ��� �~*'2et
''; - �.an
�I
�
�
� �I Paving and Lighting
p��� � ����r ti.
, 3�0�g N I � �i , e with Chapter 14 of the City C:harter.
b' 3 � � I 7
8 n d
COUNi;iL a�_ �ouncil: Date
Yeas � Nays� -` - �4
GoBMits '��y Council Secretary
Loag ;'
MaCCabes In Favor By
�+ettstn
� Against
Wij�yn Mayor
�I
I
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' . - ' - RE 9/b/90 ���� °��� .J.
FinanceroDepartment/ eal state �A9/5/90 GREEN SHEET l�� ,1�882
CONTACT PERSON 8 PHONE INITIAVDATE INITIAL/DATE
�DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR �CITY COUNCIL
Peter White 2 8-53 8 ASSIGN �CITYATfORNEY �CITYCLERK
NUNBER FOR ❑BUDGET DIRECTOR �FIN.8 MGI:SERVICE3 DIR.
MUST BE ON COUNCIL ACiENDA Y(DA ) ROUflNO
Ml1St be in C�ty CI k' ff� ORDER �MAYOR(OR ASSISTANT) ���unri 1 jt
later than noon We�d s
TOTAL#OF SIGNATURE PA ES 1 (CLIP ALL LOCATIONS FOR SIGNATURE)
ACTION RE�UESTED:
Setting hearing da e
Approve constructi n of the Edgcumbe/Bayard Area Street Paving and Lighting Pro�ect
File 4� 18594
RECOMMENDATIONS:Approve(A)w R)ect(R) PERSONAL SERVICE CONTRACTS MUST ANSWER THE FOLLOWIN(i QUESTIONB:
_PLANNING COMMISSION CIVIL S RVICE COMMISSION �• Has this person/firm ever worked under a contract for this department?
CIB COMMITTEE YES NO
2. Has this person/firm ever been a aty employee?
A STAFF YES NO
_ DI37RICT COURT 3. Does this person/firm possess a skill not normally possessed by any curreM city employeel
SUPPORTS WHICH COUNCIL OBJECTI E? rd 2 & 3 YES NO
Sewer Separation Explaln all yes answers on seperats shest and attach to yrsan sheet
Safer and Better eighb rhoods
INITIATINO PROBLEM,ISSUE,OPPO TUNITY( ho,Whet.When,Where,Why):
Streets will be t rn u to do Edgcumbe/Bayard Storm Sewer Project
A ANTAO 3 IF APPgOVED:
�utt�ng in pavin , cu b and gutters & better lighting will reduce maintenance costs and
make the neighbor ood afer and nicer looking.
013ADVANTA(iE3 IF APPROVED:
Streets will be t wn u during construction season.
Property owners 11 h ve 20 year assessments attached to thefr properties
DI3ADVANTApES IF NOT APPROVE :
Streets would co tinue to be costly to ma.intain
RECEIVED
SEP131�0 Counci� Research Center,
s€P o s ����
�lTl� �LERK .��.
TOTAL AMOUNT OF TRANS TioN s 2'381�600.OO COST/REVENUE BUDGETEp(CIRCLE ONE) �YES� NO
sess ents , .
FUNDING SOURC�99 C ta Im ve e 5�OQ���NUMBER
FINANCIAL INFORMATION:(EXPLA N) (',SS Funds $243�30�.�� ��
NOTE: COAARLETE DIRECTIONS ARE INCLUDED IN THE GREEN SHEET INSTRUCTIONAL
MANUAL AVAILABLE IN THE PURCHASING OFFICE (PHONE NO.298-4225).
ROUTING ORDER:
Below are correct routings for the five most frequent types of dxuments:
CONTRACTS(assumes authorized budget exists) COUNCIL RESOLUTION (Amend Budgets/Accept. Grants)
1. Outside Agency 1. Department Director
2. Department Director 2. City Attorney
3. City Attorney 3. Budget Director
4. Mayor(for contracts over$15,000) 4. Mayor/Assistant
5. Human Rights(for contracts over$50,000) 5. City Council
6. Finance and Management Services Director 6. Chief Accountant, Finance and Management Services
7. Finance Accounting
ADMINISTRATIVE ORDERS(Budget Revision) COUNCIL RESOLUTION (all others, and Ordinances)
1. Activity Manager 1. Department Director
2. Department Accountant 2. Ciry Attorney
3. Department Director . 3. Mayor Assistant
4. Budget Director 4. City Council
5. City Clerk
6. Chief Accountant, Finance and Management Services
ADMINISTRATIVE ORDERS(all others)
1. Department Director
2. Ciry Attorney
3. Finance and Management Services Director
4. City Clerk
TOTAL NUMBER OF SIGNATURE PAGES
Indicate the#of pages on which signatures are required and paperclip or flag
each of these pages.
ACTION REQUESTED
Describe what the projecUrequest seeks to accomplish in either chronologi-
cal order or order of importance,whichever is most appropriate for the
issue. Do not write complete sentences. Begin each item in your list with
a verb.
RECOMMENDATIONS
Complete if the issue in question has been presented before any body, public
or private.
SUPPORTS WHICH COUNCIL OBJECTIVE?
Indicate which Council objective(s)your projecVrequest supports by listing
the key word(s)(HOUSING, RECREATION, NEIGHBORHOODS, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT,
BUDGET, SEWER SEPARATION). (SEE COMPLETE LIST IN INSTRUCTIONAL MANUAL.)
PERSONAL SERVICE CONTRACTS:
This information will be used to determine the city's liabiliry for workers compensation claims,taxes and proper civil service hiring rules.
INITIATING PROBLEM, ISSUE, OPPORTUNITY
Explain the situation or conditions that created a need for your project
or request
ADVANTAGES IF APPROVED
Indicate whether this is simply an annual budget procedure required by law/
charter or whether there are specific ways in which the Ciry of Saint Paul
and its citizens will benefit from this project/action.
DISADVANTAGES IF APPROVED
What negative effects or major changes to existing or past processes might
this projecUrequest produce if it is passed(e.g.,traffic delays, noise,
tax increases or assessments)?To Whom?When? For how long?
DISADVANTAGES IF NOT APPROVED ,
What will be the negative consequences if the promised action is not
approved? Inabiliry to deliver service?Continued high traffic, noise,
accident rate?Loss of revenue?
FINANCIAL IMPACT
Although you must tailor the information you provide here to the issue you
are addressing, in general you must answer two questions: How much is it
going to cost?Who is going to pay?
, � ' - SLTIYIMARY OF ENGINE�R.ING RECONIMENDATIONS ��O'I���
EDGCUMBFJSAY�D STORM SEWII�&PAVING PROJECT
' CITY PR.OJECT 9I-S-8072 �
(INCLUDES 91-P-8055&91 V-805�
NEIGHBORHOOD INFORMATIONAL MEETING
PUBLIC WORKS CONIlVIITTEE MEF.F:T'ING
PUBLIC HEARING
PR.OJECT:
Construct a stdrm sewer system, water and sewer service connections and
reconnections, st eet improvements and upgrade a.n e�.sting li ghtin ystem in the
Crosby Watersh d. This area is bounded by Fiamline, Randolph, 35�and Shepard
Road. �
EXISTIl�TG CONDI ONS:
The project area 's presently served by a combined sewer system. During periods of
rainfall, storm ater and sanitary sewage are combined. Light rainfall, combined
with sanit�ry s wage, will be d.irected to the sewage treatment plant where the
stormwatex will be unnecessarily treated. Moderate to heavy rainfall, combined
with sanit�ry s wage, will overflow diversion structures and untreated sanitary
sewage wi�l ou let to the Mississippi River. Reports of sewer backups into
basements and s rface flooding have also been noted in this area.
The following st�eets within the project area are paved with concrete base, overlaid
with asphalt an have concrete curb:
HAMLINE - Highland to R,andolph
EDGC�[7MBE - Highland to Randolph
LEXIr7GTON - Montreal to Randolph
R.AND�OLPH - Hamline to Lexington
HIGHILAND - Hamline to Ed cvmbe
MON�'REAL - Lexington to E�way
W. S�vENTH - Leland to Alaska
ELW Y - Montreal to Shepard Road
SHEP�A,RD ROAD at Elway
I
The following are oiled streets with intermittent sections of concrete curb:
NILE� - Hamline to Edgcumbe
��-•WAT�ON - Edgcumbe to Montcalm -
SCHnFFER - Edgcumbe to Montcalm
ELEANOR - Edgcumbe to Montcalm.
HIGI�LAND - Edgcumbe to Montcalm
SYNDICATE - Bayard to Juno
GR.�G+GS - Highland to Randolph
MoN'�CALM - Highland to Juno
SCHFFFER - Le�ngton to Pleasant
PLEAiSANT - Le�ngton to Scheffer
ELEAGNOR - Pleasant to 35E ...
OTTO - Lexington to Alask�.��Y' , .�z�.�.�..�:W ,�,:�:....��� ,.�=.'.�.°"..�,......"`.'--
,_ _, .
MAY'- Alaska to Middleton;;; _ _ - � ;a ;�,� --� - -
MID�LETON - Vista to May- �'
vIST1� - Lexington to Race •� � -
R.ACE - Albion to Vista _, ; , _ '_
ALASKA- Race ta W. 7th .a .�-, �.. �.�� _... _ .:: u: ,� � ,<�.` a ., �
ALBIpN - Lexington to Adrian ' � �� �y`i`} . ,.
BEN$ON - Glen Terrace to II..�a�;�:.x.-�,:»�.;.�;��.•��: .:.�::::.�.:�--�a`�`:':�:'��.`�:'::,''`""'.:�� �.�-,
• � � DEAi,TON�- W. 7th to Benson � G�Q " �"V��
NA�'v �vAY - Benson to Elway
' �vIONPCALM COURT at Highland Parkway . �
The following are unimproved right-of-ways:
�VVATSbN - Montcalm to Lexington (easement required)
ELEANOR - Montcalm Hill to Lexington
HIGFiLAND - Montcalm to Lexington
ADRI�N - Elway to Albion (easement required)
ELWAiY - W. 7th to Montreal
CROSBY FA.R.M PARK (easement required)
The project area is primarily served by a lighting system on wood poles and a
lantern lightin� system on Edgcumbe Road.
PR,OPOSID IlVIPR�OVEMENTS:
Street improve�ents and storm sewer construction are proposed for the follo�wing
streets: '
NILE - Hamline to Edgcumbe
SYN ICATE - Bayard to Juno ,
� GRIG S - Highland to Juno +: � -�-'`'
%;'�€.DG UMBE - Highland�o-d-�r�o . ^ � . , -��» �=``�,
� ZVION CALM - Highland to Juno � - -'
��eHE�FFER - Edgcumbe to Montcalm �' � �
�`�_., -�iIGF�LAND - Edgcumbe to Montcalm
- PLEA�,SANT - Lexington to Scheffer
F OTTC� - Lexington to Alaska
� �MAY'- Alaska to Middleton
�+IIDI�LETON - Vista to May ,
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��tAC�- Albion to Vista
�, .�LA.S�KA - Race to W. 7th
° ALBIpN - Lexington to Adrian
BEN�ON - Glen Terrace to Elway
DEAIf.TON - W. 7th to Benson
. IVAN� WAY - Benson to Elway
Storm sewer construction and trench restoration only is proposed for the following
streets:
-+'`-HAM�.INE - Eleanor to Juno - '
LEXIINGTON - Montreal to Randolph
MONTREAL - Legington to Elway
W. 7TH - Leland to Dealton
ELW;AY - Montreal to Shepard Road
MONTCALM COURT to Highland
Storm sewer construction and restoration in kind for the following unimproved
right-of-ways:
WATSON - Montcalm to Lexington , ��_.�.��
ELE OR - Montcalm I���'��a`�;e�g�rt�`�-'-;'�.�r�:��`��'�:.�,`"." _ �
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HIG iLAND - Montcalm to Lexington... , - � - �
ADR�AN - Elway to Albion . -
ELW�AY - W. 7th to Montreal
CROSBY FARM PARK- S�E: o�Elway and Sheg�rd:Road .:;
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S�reet izriprovem�ents, but no sewer construction is proposed for the following
streets:- '
' � _�C RIGG� - Juno to Randolph
�'�IDGCU�BE - Juno to Randolph
- �ATSC�N - Edgcumbe to Montcalm.
� ��ELEAN�OR - Edgcumbe to Montcalm
Q�� '�SCHEFFER- Lexington to Pleasant
ELEANpR- Pleasant to 35E
v'ISTA - Le�ngton to Alaska
New streets jwill be constructed to a width of 32', except as follows:
rtORTHBOUND EDGCtrniBE R�. - Highland to Randolph - 20' Wide
SIOIJTHIBOtTND EDGCLTMBE RD. - Highland to Randolph - 20' Wide
11�AN WAY- Benson to Elway - 24' Wide
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No street �iden�ng will be performed if interference with boulevard trees is
encounteredl. New curb will be hand formed, if necessary, to avoid damaging trees
and/or tree Droots.� Tree removal will be required in the unimproved right-of-ways,
but only as neces ary for sewer construction. Tree trimming may also be necessary
at other locations�to facilitate sewer construction.
The new storm �ewer construction is part of a long-range storm sewer project
which will resul� in separate storm and sanitary sewer systems throughout the
city. �,
The street im�rovements proposed would compliment the storm sewer
construction. N w bituminous roadways with concrete curb and gutter are being
proposed. All d�veways will be reconstructed with concrete, and new concrete
outwalks will bd constructed for each home. Boulevards will be regraded and
sodded. A lanterh lighting system will be used throughout the project area.
ALTER.NATES:
To do nothing wo d be inconsistent with the city's commitment to improve existing
oiled streets, im rove water quality and reduce pollution. Improving the roadways
in conjunction 'th sewer construction will save time, money and inconvenience
later. ;
POSITNE Et�!:]VEF'IfiIS;
With t�'�comple�ion of the city's sewer pro�ect and the disconnection of rainleaders, - '
sewer backups i�to basements will be eli.minated, surface flooding reduced, and the
diversion of sanittary sewage to the Mississippi River, as well as the diversion of
storm water to the sewage treatment plant, will be eliminated.
General improv�ment of the ublic right-of-ways in conjunction with sewer
construction will enhance and a�d quality to the neighborhood. Street oiling would
be eliminated.
ADVERSE EFFECZPS:
Normal problem� assoeiated with construction, such as noise, dust, reduced access
to property and �general disruption will be resent. Howgve� �,nrG*�, ,� �;�,�
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im rovements ati this time fu�`�'�" ad�'s`"�°�"�'v�'ou�`c�''be°e�imina�;e�.
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� S-8072 � EDGCUMBEBAYARD STORM SEWER
Con�truction $4,477,000.00
Eng�ineering & Inspection 828.000.00
Total $5,305,000.00
P-8055 ED(�CUMBEBAYARD GRADING & PAVING
Con�truction $1,526,500.00
Engjineering & Inspection 312,900.00
-�Viis�ellaneous �.52.600.00
Total $1,992,000.00
V-8055 EDC�CUMBEBAYARD LIGHTING
Co struction $250,500.00
En 'neering & Inspection 46,300.00
Fin nce 2 800.00 5���'�o-�
V-8055 EDc�CUMBE ROAD - Highland to Randolph ���' b6
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Cor�struction 76,000.00
Eng�neering & Inspection 14.000.00
Tot�l $3$9,600.00
PR(�JECT TOTAL $7�686�600.00
ESTIMATED FIN�IVCING
5-8072 ED�CUMBEBAYAR.D STORM SEWER
�Assessment $ 204,000.00
MnDOT 160,000.00
Sta4te & Federal Grants & Loans 3,511,000.00
�'`Se�,1ver Revenue Bonds 1 430.000.00
Tobal $5,305,000.00
P-8055 EDGCUMBE/BAYARD GRADING & PAVING
- ""`- �Assessment $ 551,400.00 "
°CI�i (1991) 1,275,000.00
�Se�ver Revenue Bonds 165.600.00
Tot�al $1,992,000.00
V-8055 EDGCUMBEBAYARD LIGHTING
�CIB(1991) $ 90,000.00
CSZSP 243,300.00
`Assessments 56.300.00
Total $389,600.00
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� For additipnal �nformation, contact Joe Mueller at 292-6149.
RECOMII�NDA�'ION:
The Departmeizt of Public Works opinion is that this is a necessary and worthwhile
� project axid the Engineering Recommendation is for approval and financing of the
pro�ect. i
Respectfully s bmitted,
Thomas J. Eg
Director of Pu lic Works
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CounMl F�1e�No.,90,-1690 .-By Dave Thune,Bob Long .
In thf Matter of improving thc following streets wlth a new bituminous roadway: �
concrete qurb'and gutters,drivewayaprons wlll be reconstructed with concrete and new-:_-
concrete�uEwalks.Boulevards wlll be regraded'aad sodded and a green lantem style
street 11gHting§ystem,will be in§falled in Voting Wards 2&3 � � % �• .
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Niles,from Hamline to Edgcumbe
' Syndlicate from Bayazd to Juno E ,, , :-,1
; Grig�s from Highlaazid Pkwy..to Randolph • ". �` u `
-�Edgdumbe from Highland Pkwy.to Randolph(Aid Street) �
Mon�calm from Highland Pkwy.to Juno `:' � ' s _ :: , ; •:
Schc�ffer from Edgcumbe to Montcalm and from Leadngton Pkwy.to Pleasant
High'land Pkwy:from Edgcumbe to Montcalm: '
Eleanor from Edgcumbe to Montcalm and from Pleasant to 35E .
Watson from Edgcumbe to Montcalm � �' '
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'. Pleasant from Le�dngton Pkwy.to SchefT'er "
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Otta;from Lexington Pkvry.to Alaska � �
May from Alaska to Middleton<` �-� � '=` ° •��� � °
Mid�leton from Vista to May _ �:..-... .�___: �-," ;
- Vista from Lexington to Race' ,,;., _ , .
Racf from Albion to Vista s. , � Y ;: -
AlaBka from Race to W._7th S�, ., .� ::<.� ,. _ - .
Alblon from Lexington Pkwy:to Adrian� .ai? ,, -:; .- -- - ; • `.
' Benpson from Glen Terrace to Elway - - w``"` ` �
- Iv Wa from Benson to Elwa M `' '�' � f, j : ` �
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`De ton frorri W 7th SL to Benson'�" -.--< ;: , ,_r.:
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All to b known as the Edgcumbel�yazd�Area Street Paving and LighUng Pro�ect:
� Th Councll of the C1ty of Saint Paul having receiyed the report of the Mayor upon.,�,..
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the a e improvemen�and having considered said report,hereby resolves .�;- ;.,_,
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� 1.'L1hat the safd report and the same is hereby approved with no altematives,and -�
that the estlmated cos'thereoi ls 82.381.600.00.financed by Assessments 5607.700.00:..:�?;
1991 C�p1ta1_Improvement Bonds 81,865.000.00;Sewer Revenue Bonds S 165 600.00; � _.
:� �Combf�ed Sewer.Separatlon Project Funds$243,300 00 :;;� r�, ;: ti %�: ,,. �a:.�, �il
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� 2. at a public hearing be had on aafd improvV�nent on the 8th da oC November.,�"
i1990.a 9:00 o'clock'a.iri:,�in the_Council Chambers of the City Ha and Court House ,�
ui d1n tn the y`ofBaTE'n P`a`u'�""� , _
, .3.�at notice..o,f eai,d public,l�ea3�ing b�.,given,to the persons and.fn the marinei�.``'
provided,by the Charter, sfatlng the'time.and place__of hearing, the nature of the '�
improve�ient and the total cost thereof as esttmated.
Irlle No.�8594 ;. .. ... "_' ; , ' -
--Ado ted by Couhcil September 20 1990 - °
Appiroved by Mayor September 21, 1990 e� ''' � ♦
l _ . .;`�.(September 29-Ottober��6."1990) ,. -�- . - _ _._
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CITY OF Sl}. PAUL CIL FI E �
FINAL � RD R �` - •
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F� 8593
Voting In the Matter of tallation of Lhs �vabe/Bsyata �sNt Stos� Satttz Separation
Ward �ro� t. Arsa is bomadsd tiy Na�lins, �lph. 35�, aad Shspard
2 i 3 I�d.
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under Preliminary Order � approved ���i��
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The Council ;of the City of Saint Paul has conducted a public hearing upon the above improvement, due notice
thereof having been given as prescribed by the City Charter; and
WHEREAS, '�he Cou cil has heard all persons, objections and recommendations pertaining to said proposed improve-
ment and has fully consid red the same; now, therefore, be it
RESOLVED, That t e Council of the City of Saint Paul does hereby order that the above-described improvement
be made, and the proper ity officers are hereby directed and authorized to proceed with the improvement; and be it
FURTHER RESOL ED, That upon the completion of said improvement, the proper City officers shall calculate
all expenses incurred therei�►and shall report the same to the City Council in accordance with Chapter 14 of the City Charter.
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COUNCIL PE SON � Adopted by the Council: Date N�V g 19��
Yeas H�� Nays
��t Certified P _ sed by Council Secretary
LOAg
B�tt � In Favor By
KSCCi�@ Q ;
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�n'1a°n NOV g lggp Mayor
I PUBUSN�D N�V 17 1990
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DEPARTMENT/OFFICElCOUNCIL • � DATE INITIATED N� .,J,O V V 1
Finance Department/R 1 Est te 9/5/90 GREEN SHEET
INITIAUDATE INITIAUDATE
CONTACT PERSON&PHONE �DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR �CITY COUNCIL
Peter White 298� 317 ASSIGN �CITYATTORNEY �CITYCLERK
NUYBER FOR ❑BUDGET DIRECTOR �FIN.&MCiT.SERVICES DIR.
MUST BE ON COUNCIL AGEN BY(DATE) ROUTIN(i
M118t be in City Clerk S Of 1C2 IIO ORDER �MAVOR(OR ASSISTANn Q Council Re
TOTAL#OF SIGNATURE PAGES (CLIP ALL LOCATIONS FOR SIGNATURE)
ACTION REQUESTED:
Setting hearing date
Approve the separatio of anitary and storm sewer water in the Edgcumbe/Bayard Area
File 18593
RECOMMENDATIONS:Approve(A)or Reject R) PERSONAL SERVICE CONTRACTS MUST ANSWER THE FOLLOWINO QUESTIONS:
_PLANNING COMMISSION _ IVIL SERV CE COMMISSION 1. Has this person/firm ever worked under a contract for this departmeM?
_CIB COMMITTEE _ YES NO
2. Has this person/firm ever been a city employee?
�3TAFF — YES NO
_DISTRICT COURT _ 3. Does this personffirm possess a skill not normally possessed by any current city employee?
SUPPORT�4 WHICH COUNCIL OBJECTIVE7 Ward 2 & 3 Yes No
SeW2Y' SePSrStlOri Explaln all yes answers on aeparate sheet and attach to green sh�at
Safer and better ne ghbor oods
INITIATINO PROBLEM,ISSUE,OPPORTU ITY(Who What,When,Where,Why):
Federal Government as dated the separation of storm and sanitary sewer water
ADVANTACaE3 IF APPROVED:
City will fulfill t's ligation to separate the storm and sanitary water. Treatment
costs will be less sinc only sanitary sewer water will be treated
DISADVANTAGES IF APPROVED:
Property owners w 11 h e 20 year assessments against their properties
DISADVANTAOES IF NOT APPROVE :
City would be un ble t fulfill the Federal Government mandate
RECEIVED
��13��� Council Research Center,
S�P 0 6 ��y0
�:►TY CLERK --- -
TOTAL AMOUNT OF TRANS CTION S�3OS�OOO.OO COST/REVENUE BUDGETEp(CIRCLE ONE) YES NO
Ass ssments $204,000.00
FUNDIN(3 SOURCE M�D t �i 6O�OOO.OO ACTIVITY NUMBER
FINANCIAL INFORMATION:(EXP IN)St te & Federal Grants and Loans �3,511���0.0� _!�
Se er Revenue Bonds $1,430,000.00 a
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NOTE: COMPLETE DIRECTIONS ARE INCLUDED IN THE GREEN SHEET INSTRUCTIONAL
MANUAL AVAILABLE IN THE PURCHASING OFFICE(PHONE NO. 298-4225).
ROUTING ORDER:
Below are correct routings for the five most frequent rypes of documents:
CONTRACTS(assumes authorized budget exists) COUNCIt RESOLUTION (Amend Budgets/Accept. Grants)
1. Outside Agency 1. Department Director
2. Department Director 2. City Attorney
3. City Attorney 3. Budget Director
4. Mayor(for contracts over$15,000) 4. Mayor/Assistant
5. Human Rights(for contracts over$50,000) 5. Ciry Council
6. Finance and Management Services Director 6. Chief Accountant, Finance and Management Services
7. Finance Accounting
ADMINISTRATIVE ORDERS(Budget Revision) COUNCIL RESOLUTION (all others,and Ordinances)
1. Activiry Manager 1. Department Director
2. Department Accountant 2. City Attorney
3. Department Director 3. Mayor Assistant
4. Budget Director 4. City Council
5. City Clerk .
6. Chief Accountant, Finance and Management Services
ADMINISTRATIVE ORDERS(all others)
1. Department Director
2. City Attorney
3. Finance and Management Services Director
4. City Clerk
TOTAL NUMBER OF SIGNATURE PAGES
Indicate the#of pages on which signatures are required and paperclip or flag
each of these pages.
ACTION REQUESTED
Describe what the projecUrequest seeks to accomplish in either chronologi-
cal order or order of importance,whichever is most appropriate for the
issue. Do not write complete sentences. Begin each item in your list with
a verb.
RECOMMENDATIONS
Complete if the issue in question has been presented before any body, public
or private.
SUPPORTS WHICH COUNCIL OBJECTIVE?
Indicate which Council objective(s)your projecUrequest supports by listing
the key word(s) (HOUSING, RECREATION, NEIGHBORHOODS, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT,
BUDGET, SEWER SEPARATION). (SEE COMPLETE LIST IN INSTRUCTIONAL MANUAL.)
PERSONAL SERVICE CONTRACTS:
This information will be used to determine the city's liabiliry for workers compensation claims,taxes and proper civil service hiring rules.
INITIATING PROBLEM, ISSUE, OPPORTUNITY
Explain the situation or conditions that created a need for your project
or request.
ADVANTAGES IF APPROVED
Indicate whether this is simply an annual budget procedure required by law/
charter or whether there are specific ways in which the City of Saint Paul
and its citizens will benefit from this projecVaction.
DISADVANTAGES IF APPROVED
What negative effects or major changes to existing or past processes might
this project/request produce if it is passed(e.g.,traffic delays,noise,
tax increases or assessments)?To Whom?When? For how long?
DISADVANTAGES IF NOT APPROVED
What will be the negative consequences if the promised action is not
approved?Inability to deliver service?Continued high traffic, noise,
accident rate?Loss of revenue?
FINANCIAL IMPACT
Although you must tailor the information you provide here to the issue you
are addressing, in general you must answer two questions: How much is it
going to cost?Who is going to pay?
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`�,Tr,� ' CITY OF SAINT PAUL Members:
,�a ; �� OFFICE OF THE CPTY COUNCIL Roger J.Goswitz,chair
o � � �, David Thune,vice chair
e ����i�nm � �i t� Tom Dimond
,,P �o �CE�Y E� Bob Long
,... Date: October 31,1990
', Committee Report �i�31��0
' CITY CLERK
To: Sai�t P ul City Council
From: Put�lic orks, Utilities, and Transportation Committee
Roger J Goswitz, Chair
Hearing Date � Action
Approval pf Minutes of October 17, 1990. APPROVED 3-0
1 . FINAL ORDI�R: For improving Stewart Avenue from APPROVED 3-0
Alton Strleet to Springfield Street by grading
paving an� constructing concrete curb and gutter
wher�e necjessary. (Laid over in Committee 9/19/90
and 10/3/�0)
2. 11/8/90 VACATION:'� Petition of Housing and Redevelopment LAID OVER TO
Authority for the vacation of part of Park Street, 11/21/90
Acker Strleet and the alleys in Jillson's-Addition
bounded b�r Rice, Sycamore, Sylvan and the
Burlingtoj� Northern Railroad. Purpose is to
develop P�ase I of URAP North End Development '
Pro j�ect. i
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3. 11/8/90 VACATION: Petition of Ace Auto for the vacation LAID OVER TO
of part o Acker Street and Park Street. Bounded 11/21/90
by Rice, ycamore, Sylvan and the Burlington
Northern ailroad. Purpose is to increase storage
area for ars.
4. 11/8/90 AMEI�DED FINAL ORDER: Improve the following streets APPROVED
with a bi uminous roadway, concrete curb and gutters, 3-0
concrete riveway aprons and outwalks, boulevard
restorati n and a lantern style street lighting
system folr parts of Niles, Syndicate, Griggs,
Edgcumbe,jMontcalm, Scheffer, Highland Parkway,
Eleanor, �latson, Pleasant, Otto, May, Middleton,
Vista, Ra�ce, Alaska, Albion, Benson, Ivan Way and
Dealton. IAII to be known as the Edgcumbe/Bayard
- Area Stre t Paving and Lighting Project.
�. 11/8/90 FINA�L OR �ER: Constructing the Edgcumbe/Bayard APPROUE
Are Sto Sewer Project. Area bounded by Hamline, 3-0
Ran�olph, 35E and Shepard Road. Also construction
of s,anita y, storm and water service connections,
if r�eques ed by property owners.
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� 6. 11/1/90 FINAL ORDER: Improving the following streets � APPROVED
with a bituminous roadway, concrete urb and 3-0
gutters, concrete driveway aprons and outwalks,
boulevard restoration and a lantern style street
lighting system for parts of Bayard, Eleanor,
Finn, Kenneth, Niles, Sumner and Watson. All to
be known as the Highland Mt. Curve Area Street
Paving and Lighting Project.
7. 11/1/90 FINAL ORDER: For constructing the Highland/ APPROVED
Mt. Curve Area Storm Sewer Project. Bounded by 3-0
Randolph, Fairview, Highland Parkway, and the
Mississippi River Blvd. Also, installation of
sanitary, storm and water service connections,
if requested by the property owners.
8. FIRST READING - 90-1792 - An ordinance repealing APPROVED AS
Chapters 408 and 420 of the Legislative Code and AMENDED 3-0
enacting a new Chapter 408 regulating the
businesses of recycling collection centers and
recycling processing centers. (Referred to
Committee 10/11/90)
9. RESOLUTION - 90-1849 - Declaring a moratorium on LAID OVER
the installation of fiber optic telecommunications INDEFINITELY
lines within the public right-of-way for the next
ninety (90) days. (Referred to Committee 10/18/90)
10. Continental Cablevision of St. Paul Year 5 LAID OVER TO
Evaluation and Franchise Fee Reduction Request. 11/21/90
• ��TMMARY OF ENGIlVEI'.R.ING RECONIlI'IENDATIONS �!�'�/`��
EDG�CUMBF./RAYARD STORM SEWIIZ&PAVING PROJECT
' � CITY PR.OJECT 91S-SO72
(INCLUDES 91-P-8055&91 V-805�
� ! NEIGHBORHOOD INFORMATIONAL MEEETING
PUBLIC WORKS CONIIVIITTEE MEETING
I PUBLIC HF.AR.ING
PR.OJECT:
Construct a stor sewer system, water and sewer service connections and
reconnections, str et improvements and upgrade an existing lightin ystem in the
Crosby Watershed This area is bounded by Hamline, Randolph, 35�and Shepard
Road. �
EXLSTING CONDI'I'I NS:
The project area i presently served by a combined sewer system. During periods of
rainfall, stor�m w er and sanitary sewage are combined. Light rainfall, combined
with sanitar� se age, will be directed to the sewage treatment plant where the
stormwater ?�vill e unnecessarily treated. Moderate to heavy rainfall, combined
with sanita�'y se age, will overflow diversion structures and untreated sanitary
sewage will outl t to the Mississippi River. Reports of sewer backups into
basements and su face flooding have also been noted in this area.
The following str�ts within the project area are paved with concrete base, overlaid
with asphalt and ave concrete curb:
HAMLINE - Highland to Randolph
EDGCi7�1vtBE - Highland to Randolph
LEXIN TON - Montreal to Randolph
RAND LPH - Hamline to Lexington
HIGH D - Hamline to Edgcumbe
MONT EAL - Lexington to Elway
W. S NTH - Leland to Alaska
ELWA - Montreal to Shepard Road
SHEPAIRD ROAD at Elway
The following ar� oiled streets with intermittent sections of concrete curb:
NILES I- Hamline to Edgcumbe
��--WATS N - Edgcumbe to Montcalm -
SCHE�FER - Edgcumbe to Montcalm
ELEAI�OR - Edgcumbe to Montcalm
HIGH�.AND - Edgcumbe to Montcalm
SYND�CATE - Bayard to Juno
GRIG(�S - Highland to Randolph
MoIV�1CALM - Hi�ghland to Juno
SCHE�'FER - Leffington ta Pleasant
PLE ANT - Le�ngton to Scheffer
EL OR- Pleasant to 35E �-;-.�-,..::-��.�--�-..
OTTO - Lexington to Alask��� =�.�i�-�u�w�~..L� -�_� -_ .. -
MAY � Alaska to Middleton'� - �� _ --, -
MIDD�ETON - Vista to May �� .
VIST Lexington to Race ��
R.ACEi- Albion to Vista - . _
ALAS$�A - Race to W. 7th ;:` ;3 �., N _ f . .. .: �. ... .� .`w � :', '
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ALBI�N - Lexington to Adrign ` ' y`" .
BENSION •- '�:::°� -
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Glen Terrace to ��= " �'""� � `-'�"""""" "
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� �EALTON - W. 7th to Benson V' �� ��y'��
$VAN �VAY - Benson to Elway '
' �vIONT�CALM COURT at Highland Parkway .
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The followi�ig ar�e unimproved right-of-ways:
WATS N - Montcalm to Lexington (easement required)
ELE OR - Montcalm Hill to Lexington
�iIGH AND - Montcalm to Lexington
�DR - Elway to Albion (easement reqnired)
ELw - W. 7th to Montreal
CROS Y FARM PARK (easement required)
The project are is primarily served by a lighting system on wood poles and a
lantern lighting; system on Edgcumbe Road.
PR.OPOSID IlVIPR�VEMENTS:
Street improvements and storm sewer construction are proposed for the following
streets:
NILE� - Hamline to Edgcumbe
SYND�CATE - Bayard to duno : . �
:� GRIG S - Highland to Jurio '. � -`''
�3�''�.DGCUMBE - Highland ta-d�o �• r . , --+- �-^�,
` �A �1vION�'CALM - Highland to Juno - �
�fiCHE�'FER - Edgcumbe to Montcalm � �
� '�.,, —�IIGH�,AND - Edgcumbe to Montcalm
- pLEASANT - Lexington to Scheffer
��;�° OTTO - Lexington to Alaska
-'MAY • Alaska to Middleton
—'1�IIDDtETON - Vista to Ma.y � ,
�ST� -�as�a-�trhace '� . - � - � �" _
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�-�t.ACE'- Albion to Vista � '
�, ^-ALASKA - Race to W. 7th
° ALBIC�N - Lexington to Adrian
BENSpN - Glen Terrace to Elway
DEAL�'ON - W. 7th to Benson
IVAN!WAY - Benson to Elway
Storm sewer cor�struction and trench restoration only is proposed for the following
streets:
�`�HAML,INE - Eleanor to Juno - -
LEXIIrTGTON - Montreal to Randolph
MON'�'ftEAL - Lexington to Elway
W. 7TH - Leland to Dealton
ELWA�Y - Montreal to Shepard Road
MONTCALM COURT to Highla.nd
Storm sewer copnstruction and restoration in ki.nd for the following unimproved
right-of-ways:
WAT$ON - Montcalm to Lexington
ELE�OR - Montcalm ����'��►e�ii�'�"'�-"'�'��� �-" � �1��z��
HIG LAND - Montcalm to L.exington... � ;-, - - :�
ADRi�N - Elway to Albion � . - '
ELW�IY - W. 7th to Montreal�
CROS�Y FARM PAR.K- S.E: of�Eiway and Shegard Road �,
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' Street impr�ovemr.nts, but no sewer construction is proposed for the following
streets:- '
` - C�RIGG$ - Juno to Randolph �
��GC BE - Juno to Randolph
\�_� ATS N - Edgcumbe to Montcalm
� �'ELEAN R - Edgcumbe to Montcalm
Q� '�CHEF ER - Lexington to Pleasant
ELEAN R- Pleasant to 35E
VTSTA Le�ngton to Alaska
New streets will b constructed to a width of 32', except as follows:
NORTH OUND EDGCtTMBE RD. - Highland to Randolph - 20' Wide
SOUTH OUND EDGCLTMBE RD. - Highland to Randolph - 20' Wide
IVAN AY - Benson to Elway - 24' Wide
No street wide 'ng will be performed if interference with boulevard trees is
encountered. Ne curb will be hand formed, if necessary, to avoid damaging trees
and/or tree roots. Tree removal will be required in the unimproved right-of-ways,
but only as neces ary for sewer construction. Tree trimming may also be necessary
at other locations o facilitate sewer construction.
The new storm �ewer construction is part of a long-range storm sewer project
which will result in separate storm and sanitary sewer systems throughout the
city.
The street imp�rovements proposed would compliment the storm sewer
construction, Neyv bituminous roadways with concrete curb and gutter are being
proposed. A11 dr�veways will be reconstructed with concrete, and new concrete
outwalks will be 'constructed for each home. Boulevards will be regraded and
sodded. A lanterrl lighting system will be used throughout the project area.
ALT'ER.NATES: ! -
To do nothing wo I d be inconsistent with the city's commitment to improve existing
oiled streets, imp ove water quality and reduce pollution. Improving the roadways
in conjunction wi h sewer �snstruction will save time, money and inconvenience
later.
POSITIVE .
With t�`completipn of the city's sewer ro�ect and the disconnection of rainleaders, - '
sewer backups intp basements will be e�ated, surface floodi.ng reduced, and the
diversion of sanit�ary sewage to the Mississippi River, as well as the diversion of
storm water to th� sewage treatment plant, will be eliminated.
General improve�n.ent of the public right-of-ways in conjunction with sewer
cvnstruction will �nhance and add quality to the neighborhood. Street oiling would
be eliminated.
ADVERSE EF'1�'ECl�:
Normal problems associated with construction, such as noise, dust, reduced access
to property and g neral disruption will be resent. How,.v�e�,�„�!?nc_+.��_r_tinrL_�^,
improvements at his time, fu�u e �T� ' e�����va`ot�i�'�be��et�iminate��_----•�
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COST ESTIl��TES: � V��O���✓ �
� 5-8072 EI�GCtT�IBEBAYARD STORM SEWER
Const I ction $4,477,000.00
Total e ring & Inspection 828.000.00
$5,305,000.00
P-8055 EDGC BEBAYAR.D GRADING & PAVING
Const ction $1,526,500.00
Engine ring & Inspection 312,900.00
�Vliscell neous 152.600.00
Total i $1,992,000.00
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V-8055 EDGCU�vIBEBAYARD LIGHTING
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Constr ction $250,500.00
Engine�ring & Inspection 46,300.00
Finance 2,800.00 ���'(a..�
V-8055 EDGCUI�IBE ROAD - Highland to Randolph a b��S
Constr�iction 76,000.00
Enginejering & Inspection 14
Total ' $389,600.00
P�?,OJE T TOTAL $7�686,600.00
ESTIMATED FINANC�iVG
S$072 EDGCU�iBEBAYAftD STORM SEWER
�Assess ent $ 204,000.00
MnD4 160,000.00
State Federal Grants & Loans 3,511,000.00
�/`Sewer evenue Bonds 1.430.000.00
Total $5,305,000.00
P-8055 EDGC BEBAYAR.D GR.ADING & PAVING
- `���- �Assess�ient -
°CIB (1991) � 1,275,000.00
�.Sewer Revenue Bonds 165.600.00
Total $1,992,000.00 �
V-8055 EDGCU'�iBEBAYARD LIGHTING
�CIB (15191) $ 90,000.00
CSSP 243,300.00
`Assess�ments 56.300.04
Total '� $389,600.00
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PKOJE�T TOTAL ._�... . . _$7,686,�00:00
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_ ' SOUftCE OF A�DDIT�ONAL INFORMATION: , ��
For addition�l infdrmation, contact Joe Mueller at 292-6149.
REC011'IlV�NTDATION:
The Department f Public Works opinion is that this is a necessary a.nd worthwhile
� project and the ngineering Recommendation is for approval and financing 'of the
pro�ect.
Respectfully sub 'tted,
Thomas J. Eg
Director of Public Works
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UMMARY OF ENGINEERING RECONIlI�NDATIONS RECEIVED
E GCUMBEBAYARD STORM SEV�ER.&PAVING PROJECT
CI'i'Y PRO�TECr 91-5-8072 M
' (IlVCLUDES 91-P-8055&91-V 8055) �23i7�7Q
�G ORHOOD INFORMATIONAL MEETING-October 29, 199��TY Cl.ERK
i LIC WOR�S CONIlVIrT'i�E N1E�'TING- October 31, 1990
� P'UB�.IC�ARnvG-November 8,1990
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PROJECT: i
Construct � st rm sewer system, water and sewer service connections and
reconnectio�is, st eet improvements and upgrade an existing lighting system in the
Crosby Wat�ersh d. This area is bounded by Hamline, Randolph, 35W and Shepard
Road. �
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EXISTING CONDI IONS:
The project area 's presently served by a combined sewer system. During periods �f
rainfall, storm ater and sanitary sewage are combined. Light rainfall, combined
with sanitary s wage, will be directed to the sewage treatment plant wl�ere the
stormwater will be unnecessarily treated. Moderate to heavy rainfall, combined
with sanitary s wage, will overflow diversion structures and untreated sanii;ar��
sewage will ou let to the Mississippi River. Reports of sewer backups in.to
basements and rface flooding have also been noted in this area.
The followi..�n,g st I eets within the project area are paved with concrete base, �verlaid
with asphalt an have concrete curb:
HAMI�INE - Highland to Randolph
EDG MBE - Highland to Randolph
LEXII�TGTON - Montreal to Randolph
R.AN OLPH - Hamline to Lexington
HIGH AND - Hamline to Edgcumbe
MON REAL - Lexington to Elway
W. S VENTH - Leland to Alask.a
ELW Y - Montreal to Shepar.� Road
SHE D ROAD at Elway
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The following a�e oiled streets with intermittent sections of concrete curb:
NILE$ - Hamline to Edgcumbe
WAT�ON - Edgcumbe to Montcalm
SCH FFER - Edgcumbe to Montcalm
ELEAjNOR - Edgcumbe to Montcalm
MON ALM HILL - Montcalm to 270� East
HIG LAND - Edgcumbe to Montcalm
MON CALM COURT - So�ath of Highland Parkway
SYN ICATE - Bayard to Juno
GRI GS - Highland to Randolph
MO CALM - Highland to Juno
SCH FFER - Lexington to Pleasant
PLE SANT - Lexington to Scheffer
ELE OR - Pleasant to 35E
OTT� - Lexington to Alaska
MAY - Alaska to Middleton
MID�LETON - Vista to May
VIS�?A = Alaska to Race
. RAC� - Albion to Vista
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AL,AS - Race to W. 7th
ALBI N - Lexington to Adrian
ADR - Albion to 130' East
BENS N - Glen Terrace to Elway
DEAL ON - W. 7th to Benson
IVAN AY - Benson to Elway
The following ar unimproved right-of-ways:
WATS N - Montcalm to Lexington (easement may be required)
HIGH D - Montcalm to Lexington
ADRI - Elway �o Albion (easement may be required)
ELW - W. 7th to Montreal
CROS Y FARM PARK
The project are is primarily served by a lighting system on wood poles and a
lantern lightin system on Edgcumbe Road.
PR.OPOSED IlVIPR VEMENTS:
Street improve ents and storm sewer construction are proposed for the following
streets:
NILE - Hamline to Edgcumbe
SYND CATE - Bayard to Juno
GRIG S - Highland to Juno
EDG UMBE - Highland to Randolph
MON CALM - Highland to Juno
SCHE FER - Edgcumbe to Montcalm
MON CALM HILL - Montcalm to 270� East
HIGH AND - Edgcumbe to Montcalm
MON CALM COURT - South of Highland Pkwy.
PLE ANT - Lexington to Scheffer
OTT - Lexington to Alaska
MAY Alaska to Middleton
MID LETON - Vista to May
VIST - Alaska to R,ace
R.AC - Albion to Vista
ALAS - Race to W. 7th
ALBI N - Lexington to Adrian
BEN ON - Glen Terrace to Elway
IVAN WAY - Selma to Elway
Storm sewer co�struction and trench restoration only is proposed for the following
streets:
HAM INE - Eleanor to Juno
LEXI GTON - Montreal to Randolph
OLPH - Lexington to 500' West
MON REAL - Lexington to Elway
ELW Y - Montreal to Shepard Road
W. B vD., W: 'rTH - Montreal to 250' S. of Dealton
Storm sewer c nstruction and restoration in kind for the following unimproved
right-of-ways:
WAT ON - Montcalm to Lexington
HIG LAND - Montcalm to Lexington
ADR - Elway to Albion
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�LWA - W. 7th to Montreal
CROS Y FARM PAR,K - S. E. of Elway and Shepard Road (Project outlet
constructed under Shepard R,oad project)
Street impirove ents, but no sewer construction is proposed for the following
streets:
GRIG S - Juno to Randolph
WAT ON - Edgcumbe to Montcalm
ELE OR - Edgcumbe to Montcalm
SCHE FER - Lexington to Pleasant
'ELE OR - Pleasant to 35E
ADR -Albion to 130' East
�DE ON- W. 7th to Benson
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IVAN IWAY- Benson to Selma
New streets will be constructed to a width of 32', except as follows:
NOR HBOUND EDGCUMBE RD. - Highland to Randolph - 20� Wide
SO HBOUND EDGCUMBE RD. - Highland to Randolph - 20' Wide
IVAN wAY - Benson to Elway - 24' Wide
SCH FFER - Edgcumbe to Montcalm - 28' Wide
MON CALM HILL - Montcalm to 270' East - 24' Wide
No street wid ning will be performed if interference with boulevard trees is
encountered. ew curb will be hand formed, if necessary, to avoid damaging trees
and/or tree roo s. Tree removal will be required in the unimproved right-of-ways,
but only as nec ssary for sewer construction. Tree trimming may also be necessary
at other locatio s to facilitate sewer construction.
The new stor� sewer construction is part of a long-range storm sewer project
which will res lt in separate storm and sanitary sewer systems throughout the
city. i
The street i � provements proposed would compliment the storm sewer
construction. ew bituminous roadways with concrete curb and gutter are being
proposed. All driveways will be reconstructed with concrete, and new concrete
outwalks will e constructed for each home. Boulevards will be regraded and
sodded. A lant rn lighting system will be used throughout the project area.
ALTERNATES: I
To do nothing ould be inconsistent with the city's commitment to improve existing
oiled streets, i prove water quality and reduce pollution. Improving the roadways
in conjunction j with sewer construction will save time, money and inconvenience
later. �
POSITIVE BE FITS:
With the icomp etion of the city's sewer project and the disconnection of rainleaders,
sewer ba�kups into basements will be eliminated, surface flooding reduced, and the
diversion of s nitary sewage to the Mississippi River, as well as the diversion of
storm water to the sewage treatment plant, will be eliminated.
General impr vement of the public right-of-ways in conjunction with sewer
constructaon 'll enhance and add quality to the neighborhood. Street oiling would
be eliminated�
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ADVERSE EF�EEC :
Normal problems associated with construction, such as noise, dust, reduced access
to property and eneral disruption will be present. However, by construction all
improvements at this time, future adverse effects would be eliminated.
COST ESTIMATES
5-8072 EDG UMBE/BAYAR,D STORM SEWER
Con truction $4,477,000.00
En neering & Inspection $28,000.00
To 1 $5,305,000.00
P-8055 ED CUMBEBAYARD GRADING & PAVING
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Co struction $1,526,500.00
En 'neering & Inspection 312,900.00
Mis ellaneous 152,600.00
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Co struction $250,500.00
En 'neering & Inspection 46,300.00
Fi ance 2,800.00
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En 'neering & Inspection 14 0. 00.00
To 1 $389,600.00
PR�JECT TOTAL $7,686,600.00
ESTIMATED FIl�ANCING
S-8072 EDIGCUMBEBAYARD STORM SEWER
As essment $ 204,000.00
DOT 160,000.00
. S te & Federal Grants & Loans 3,511,000.00
S er Revenue Bonds 1.430.000.00
T tal $5,305,000.00
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C (1991) 1,275,000.00
S wer Revenue Bonds 165.600.00
T�tal $1,992,000.00
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PRO ECT TOTAL $7,686,600.00
SOURCE OF ADDI ONAL INFORMATION:
For additional in ormation, contact Joe Mueller at 292-6149.
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Director of Publ'c Works
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UMMARY OF ENGINEERING RECOD�IlV�NDATIONS RECEIVED
ED CITMBE/SAYAR.D STORM SEWER&PAVING PROJECT �A���O
CITY PR.OJECT 91-5-8072 �+
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NEIG ORHOOD INFORMATIONAL MEEZ�1G-October 29 199�9
LIC WORSS COiv►mTTTEE M�'I�1G-October 31, 1990
PUBLIC HEARINNG-November 8,1990
PROJECT: �
Construct a sto �m sewer system, water and sewer service connections and
reconnections, st et improvements and upgrade an existing lighting system in the
Crosby Watershe . This area is bounded by Hamline, Randolph, 35W and Shepard
Road.
EXISTING CONDIZfIONS:
The project area Is presently served by a combined sewer system. During periods of
rainfall, storm w�ter and sanitary sewage are combined. Li ht rainfall, combined
with sanitary se age, will be directed to the sewage treatment plant where the
stormwater will e unnecessarily treated. Moderate to heavy rainfall, combined
with sanitary se age, will overflow diversion structures and untreated sanitary
sewage will ou et to the Mississippi River. Reports of sewer backups into
basements and s rface flooding have also been noted in this area.
The following st leets within the project area are paved with concrete base, overlaid
with asphalt anc� have concrete curb:
HAMi�INE - Highland to Randolph
EDGC1U1viBE - Highland to Randolph
LEXI1�fGTON - Montreal to Randolph
RANDIOLPH - Hamline to Lexington
HIGH�.AND - Hamline to Edgcumbe
MON REAL - Lexington to Elway
W. S�VENTH - Leland to Alaska
ELW Y - Montreal to Shepard Road
SHEP�ARD ROAD at Elway
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The following a�je oiled streets with interniittent sections of concrete curb:
NILES - Hamline to Edgcumbe
WAT$ON - Edgcumbe to Montcalm
SCH�FFER - Edgcumbe to Montcalm
ELE?�.NOR - Edgcumbe to Montcalm
MON ALM HILL - Montcalm to 270' East
HIG LAND - Edgcumbe to Montcalm
MON CALM COURT - So�ath of Highland Parkway
SYN ICATE - Bayard to Juno
GRI GS - Highland to Randolph
MO TCALM - Highland to Juno
SCH FFER - Lexington to Pleasant
PLE SANT - Lexington to Scheffer
ELE OR - Pleasant to 35E
OTT Lexington to Alaska
MA� Alaska to Middleton
MID$�LETON - Vista to May
VIS7�A - Alaska to Race
. RAC�E - Albion to Vista
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AI�ASKA�- Race to W. 7th
A�,BIO - Lexington to Adrian
AbRI - Albion to 130' East
B�NSO - Glen Terrace to Elway
DEALT N - W. 7th to Benson
I�?AN Y - Benson to Elway
The followin�; are unimproved right-of-ways:
WATS N - Montcalm to Lexington (easement may be required)
HIGH D - Montcalm to Lexington
ADRI - Elway to Albion (easement may be required)
ELWA - W. 7th to Montreal
CROSB FARM PA.RK
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The project� area� is primarily served by a lighting system on wood poles and a
lantern lig}�ting �system on Edgcumbe Road.
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PROPOSED�1VIPR(�VEMENTS:
Street improvements and storm sewer construction are proposed for the following
streets:
�TILE - Hamline to Edgcumbe
SYND CATE - Bayard to Juno
GRIG S - Highland to Juno
EDGC 1v�BE - Highland to Randolph
MON CALM - Highland to Juno
SCHE FER - Edgcumbe to Montcalm
MON CALM HILL - Montcalm to 270' East
HIGH AND - Edgcumbe to Montcalm
MON CALM COURT - South of Highland Pkwy.
PLEA�SANT - Lexington to Scheffer
OTT - Le�rington to Alaska
MAY Alaska to Middleton
MID LETON - Vista to May
vIST - Alaska to Race
RAC - Albion to Vista
AL KA- Race to W. 7th
ALBI N - Lexington to Adrian
BEN ON - Glen Terrace to Elway
IV WAY - Selma to Elway
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Storm sewer cq'nstruction and trench restoration only is proposed for the following
streets:
LINE - Eleanor to Juno
� LEx NGTON - Montreal to Randolph
DOLPH - Lexington to 500' West
MO TREAL - Lexington to Elway
EL AY - Montreal to Shepard Road
W. LVD., W: 7TH - Montreal to 250' S. of Dealton
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Storm se�vver �onstruction and restoration in kind for the following unimproved
right-of-ways: ;
WA SON - Montcalm to Lexington
HI HLAND - Montcalm to Lexington
AD IAN - Elway to Albion
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CROSB FARM PARK - S. E. of Elway and Shepard Road (Project outlet
constructed under Shepard R,oad project)
Street improvem nts, but no sewer construction is proposed for the following
streets:
GRIGG - Juno to Randolph
WATS N - Edgcumbe to Montcalm
ELE R - Edgcumbe to Montcalm
SCHEF ER, - Lexington to Pleasant
ELEAN R- Pleasant to 35E
ADRI - Albion to 130' East
DEAL N- W. 7th to Benson
IVAN AY- Benson to Selma
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New streets will l�e constructed to a width of 32', except as follows:
NORT BOUND EDGCIJMBE RD. - Highland to Randolph - 20' Wide
SOUT BOUND EDGCITMBE RD. - Highland to Randolph - 20' Wide
IvAN AY - Benson to Elway - 24' Wide
SCHE FER - Edgcumbe to Montcalm - 28' Wide
MON ALM HILL - Montcalm to 270' East - 24' Wide
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No street wide ing will be performed if interference with boulevard trees is
encountered. N�w curb will be hand formed, if necessary, to avoid damaging trees
andlor tree root�. Tree removal will be required in the unimproved right-of-ways,
but only as nece�sary for sewer construction. Tree trimming may also be necessary
at other location� to facilitate sewer construction.
The new storm� sewer construction is part of a long-range storm sewer project
which will resu�t in separate storm and sanitary sewer systems throughout the
city. �
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The street in�provements proposed would compliment the storm sewer
construction. New bituminous roadways with concrete curb and gutter are being
proposed. All �lriveways will be reconstructed with concrete, and new concrete
outwalks will kpe constructed for each home. Boulevards will be regraded and
sodded. A lant�rn lighting system will be used throughout the project area.
ALTERNATES: �
To do nothing vl,�ould be inconsistent with the city's commitment to improve existing
oiled streets, i�`nprove water quality and reduce pollution. Improving the roadways
in conjunction ;with sewer construction will save time, money and inconvenience
later. ;
POSITIVE BENE�FITS:
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With the comp�etion of the city's sewer project and the disconnection of rainleaders,
sewer backups�into basements will be elinunated, surface flooding reduced, and the
diversion of sa�nitary sewage to the Mississippi River, as well as the diversion of
storm water tol the sewage treatment plant, vv�ll be eliminated.
General impr� vement of the public right-of-ways in conjunction with sewer
construction vv�ll enhance and add quality to the neighborhood. Street oiling would
be eliminated.i
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ADV.ERSE EFFEC :
Normal problems associated with construction, such as noise, dust, reduced access
to property and eneral disruption will be present. However, by construction all
improvements at his time, future adverse effects would be eliminated.
COST ESTIMATES:�
5-8072 ED UMBE/BAYAR,D STORM SEWER
Con truction . $4,477,000.00
En ' eering & Inspection 828,000.00
Tota $5,305,000.00
P-8055 EDG�CUMBEBAYARD GR.ADING & PAVING
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Con truction $1,526,500.00
En neering & Inspection 312,900.00
Mis ellaneous 152.600.00
Tot $1,992,000.00
V-8055 EDG UMBE/BAYA.RD LIGHTING
Con truction $250,500.00
En neering & Inspection 46,300.00
Fin nce 2,800.00
V-8055 ED UMBE ROAD - Highland to Randolph
Co struction 76,000.00
En 'neering & Inspection 14 00 0
To 1 $389,600.00
PROJECT TOTAL �7,686,600.00
ESTIMATED FINt�NCING
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Ass ssment $ 204,000.00
Mn OT � 160,000.00
S e & Federal Grants & Loans 3,511,000.00
Se er Revenue Bonds 1,430.000.00
To 1 $5,305,000.00
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As essment $ 551,400.00
C (1991) 1,275,000.00
Se er Revenue Bonds �.65.600.00
To al $1,992,000.00
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CIB(199 ) $ 90,000.00
CSSP 243,300.00
Assess ents �6.300.00
Tof,al $389,600.00
PROJEC TOTAL $7,686,600.00
SOUR,CE OF ADDITIO AL INFORMATION:
For additional inforn�ation, contact Joe Mueller at 292-6149.
RECOMMENDATION:;
The Department of Public Works opinion is that this is a necessary and worthwhile
project and the En 'neering Recommendation is for approval and financing of the
project.
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Thomas J. Eggum '
Director of Public V�orks
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; PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE
PUBLI� I PROVEN�ENT C�NSTRUCTION
, City Planning Ward ��2 & 3
Dear P#opert�y Owner• District Planning Council 469
File No. 18593X
File No. 18594X
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', 'To decide whether to proceed with the construction of a storm sewer
P U R P O S E to be known as the EDGCUMBE/BAYARD SEWER bounded by Hamline,
; 'Randolph, 35E, and Shepard Road. Also, to decide whether to proceed
AA'D , with the paving and lighting project including bituminaus roadway,
�v concrete curb and gutter, concrete driveways, and outwalks and
lantern-style lightin� for the streets listed on the reverse side
LOCATION °f this notice. ���E��ED
p��i221994
CITY CLERK
Thursday, November 8, 1990, at 9:00 a.m.
H EA R�N G 'City Council Chambers, Third Floor City Hall/Court House
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Please note that the Public Works Committee of the City Council will
�Idiscuss this item arid develop a recommendation to the full City
,Council. Please bring any unresolved concerns to the meeting on
iWednesday, October 31, 1990 in the City Council Chambers, Third
'Floor, City Hall/Court House at 9:00 a.m.
If the City Council approves this project, a portion of the costs
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Improve the following streets with a new bituminous roadway, concrete curb and
gutters, driveway aprons will be reconstructed with concrete and new concrete
outwalks. Boulevards will be regraded and sodded and a lantern-style street
lighting system will be installed:
Niles from Hamline to Edgcumbe
Syndicate from Bayard to Juno
Griggs from Highland Parkway to Randolph
Montcalm from Highland Parkway to Juno
Scheffer from Edgcumbe to Montcalm and
from Lexington Parkway to Pleasant
Highland Parkway from Edgcumbe to Montcalm
Eleanor from Edgcumbe to Montcalm and
from Pleasant to 35E
Watson fxom Edgcumbe to Montcalm
Pleasant from Lexington Parkway to Scheffer
Otto from Lexington Parkway to Alaska
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Middleton from Vista to May
Vista from Alaska to Race
Race from Albion to Vista
Alaska from Race to West Seventh Street
Albion from Lexington Parkway to Adrian
Benson from Glen Terrace to Eastern Terminus
Ivan Way from Benson to Eastern Terminus
Dealton from West Seventh Street to Benson
Adrian from Albion to East 130 feet more-or-less
Montcalm Hill from Montcalm to East 270 feet
Montcalm Court (south of Highland Parkway
Edgcumbe Road from Highland Parkway to Randolph
Edgcumbe Road -`pave onIy
All to be known as the Edgcumbe/Bayard Area Street Paving and Lighting Project.
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- Council File No�90-1691—By Dave Thune,Bob Long ��:. ' ; _
' In the Matt�r of installation of the Edgcumbe 7Bayazd Area Storm Sewer Separation •
Project.;Area isl bounded by Hatnllne, Randolph, 35E, and Shepard Road in VoEing .
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- > The Counc�l of the City of Saint Paul having received the report of the Mayor upon
. the abave impr�vement,and having considered said report,hereby resolves:
- `i.'fhat th said report and the,same is�ereby approved with no altemauves,and
`_:that tht estimated cast_thereof is 35.305,000.00,flnanced by Assessments S204,000.00;
a MirineSota Department Of T'ransportation$160.000.00;State and Federal Grants and
;-Loans�$3,511,b00.00;,andSeweT Revenue Bonds$1,430,000 00. =.}� _ , : � :.,. .
'` 2�That a�ublic hearing be had on said'lmprov`ement on 4he 8th day ofNovember. .
`'= . _1990,at_9.�: �:clock a:m:;in the Council Chambera of the City Hall an ou ouse
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" ''• 3:That n tice of said public hearing be`given to the persons and in the`manner °� _
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`� '.provided`by e Charter, staUng the time.and plaee of hearing,=,the nature of thc �," � ' ,•;
imprdvement d the total cost thereof as esrimated = ��:� .. �
F1le No. 1859 '-:•. -. •r •,,_ _,���;� � � -�... -
:Adopted�y'Council Sepfember 20 199U:
• - '`Approve�i by Mayor September 21 1990. �
;.- � (September 29 October 6 _1990) ' " '
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CITY OF ST. AUL CO ILE N .
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Voting In the Matter of tallatioa of saaita�ry, stors aad sater us�rice coimections,
Ward i� z �terd b� th� proparta araer, in coaasction �►ith tbe
2 b 3 � /Eagard �raa Ste� Sewas aod S1YssL Psving and I.iabtiag
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�nder Preliminary Order J � approved �`f���
The Council af the ity of Saint Paul has conducted a public hearing upon the above improvement, due notice
thereof having been given prescribed by the City Charter; and
WHEREAS, The Cou il has heard all persons, objections and recommendations pertaining to said proposed improve-
ment and has fully �onside ed the same; now, therefore, be it
RESOLVED, '�hat th Council of the City of Saint Paul does hereby order that the above-described improvement
be made, and the prbper Ci y officers are hereby directed and authorized to proceed with the improvement; and be it
FURTHER R�SOLV D, That upon the completion of said improvement, the proper City officers shall calculate
ali expenses incurredl therein and shall report the same to the City Council in accordance with Chapter 14 of the City Charter.
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COUNCIL PER$ON Adopted by the Council: Date NOV 8 19�
Yeas��� Nays
Goswitz ; Certified P s by Council Secretary
MazCSbe�t � In Favor By
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Thuas � Against CG�ze✓
w��on NOV 9 �9� Mayor
�UBUSNED N 0 V 17 1990
. . Y . RE 9/6/90 o-��y���.��
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DEPARTME lOFFICE/COUNCIL DATE INITIATED N� �',O�V O
Finance/Real Estate 9�5�90 GREEN SHEET
CONTACT PERSON 8 PHONE INITIALIDATE INITIAUOATE
�DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR �CITY COUNCIL
Peter White 29H— 317 AS$IGN �CITYATTORNEY �CITYCLERK
NUMBER FOR ❑BUDGET DIRECTOR �FIN.&MCiT.SERVICES DIR.
MU3T BE ON COUNCIL AGENDA BY(DATE) ROUTING
MllSt be in City Clerk' � Ce 110 ORDER �p�qyOR(ORASSISTANT) Q ('.nu,nri 1
TOTAL#OF SIGNATURE PAGiE3 (CLIP ALL LOCATIONS FOR SIGNATURE)
ACTION RE�UESTED:
Hold public hearing to appr ve installation of storm, sanitary and water service connections
if requested by the p pert owner for the Edgcumbe/Bayard Area Storm Sewer and Street
Paving and Lighting p ject. File 18609-3 '
RECOMMENDA710NS:Approve(A)or HeJect( PERSONAL SERVICE CONTRACTS MUST ANSWER THE FOLLOWINO QUESTIONS:
_PLANNING COMMISSION _CI L 3ERVIC COMMISSION �� Hes this person/firm ever worked under e COMract for this department?
_CIB COMMITTEE _ YES NO
2. Has this person/firm ever been a city employee7
�_S7AFF — YES NO
_DISTRICT COURT — 3. Does this person/firm possess a skill not norma►ly possessed by any current cNy employee7
SUPPORT8 WHICH COUNCIL OBJECTIVE? Ward 2 & 3 YES NO
Sewer Separation Explaln all yss answers on separata aNeat and attach to gresn shest
Safer and Better Neig borh ods
INITIATINQ PROBLEM,ISSUE,OP�RTUNI (Who,W at,When,Where,Why):
Storm Sewer and stree con truction will necessitate the streets to be dug up. Its only
logical that connecti ns s ould be installed at this time
ADVANTAOES IF APPROVEO:
Streets will not have to b redone
DISADVANTAOE3 IF APPROVED:
Property owners will ave n assessment against his property
OISADVANTAOES IF NOT APPROVED:
Higher costs and hig er a sessments to the property owner
RECEIVED Councii Research Center
SEP131990 ��P o s �y�u
C�?'Y C�.ERK
TOTAL AMOUNT OF TRANSACTIO S *u ��� COST/REVENUE BUDGETEp(CIRCLE ONE) YES NO
FUNDING SOURCE ASS2S ment ACTIVITY NUMBER �W
FINANCIALINFORMATION:(EXPLAIN) * torm sanitary and water service connections will be assessed at the
rate in effect at th tim of installation.
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NOTE: COMPLETE DIRECTIONS ARE INCLUDED IN THE GREEN SHEET INSTRUCTIONAL
MANUAL AVAILABLE IN THE PURCHASING OFFICE(PHONE NO. 298-4225). �
ROUTING ORDER:
Below are correct routings for the five most frequent types of documents:
CONTRACTS(assumes suthorized budget exists) COUNCIL RESOLUTION (Amend Budgets/Accept. Grants)
1. Outside Agency 1. Department Director
2. Department Director 2. City Attorney
3. City Attomey 3. Budget Director
4. Mayor(for contracts over$15,000) 4. Mayor/Assistant
5. Human Rights(for contracts over$50,000) 5. City Council
6. Finance and Management Services Director 6. Chief Accountant, Finance and Management Services
7. Finance Accounting
ADMINISTRATIVE ORDERS(Budget Revision) COUNCIL RESOLUTION (all others,and Ordinances)
1. Activity Manager 1. Department Director
2. Department Accountant 2. City Attorney
3. Department Director 3. Mayor Assistant
4. Budget Director 4. City Council
5. City Clerk
6. Chief Accountant, Finance and Management Services
ADMtNISTRATIVE ORDERS(all others)
1. Department Director
2. City Attorney
3. Finance and Management Services Director
4. City Clerk
TOTAL NUMBER OF SIGNATURE PAGES
Indicate the#of pages on which signatures are required and paperclip or flag
each of these pages.
ACTION REQUESTED
Describe what the projecUrequest seeks to accomplish in either chronologi-
cal order or order of importance,whichever is most appropriate for the
issue. Do not write complete sentences. Begin each item in your list with
a verb.
RECOMMENDATIONS
Complete if the issue in question has been presented before any body, public
or private.
SUPPORTS WHICH COUNCIL OBJECTIVE?
Indicate which Council objective(s)your projecVrequest supports by listing
the key word(s)(HOUSING, RECREATION, NEIGHBORHOODS, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT,
BUDGET,SEWER SEPARATION). (SEE COMPLETE LIST IN INSTRUCTIONAL MANUAL.)
PERSONAL SERVICE CONTRACTS:
This information will be used to determine the city's liability for workers compensation claims,taxes and proper civil service hiring rules.
INITIATING PROBLEM, ISSUE, OPPORTUNITY
Explain the situation or conditions that created a need for your project
or request.
ADVANTAGES IF APPROVED
Indicate whether this is simply an annual budget procedure required by law/
charter or whether there are specific ways in which the City of Saint Paul
and its citizens will benefit from this projecUaction.
DISADVANTAGES IF APPROVED
What negative effects or major changes to existing or past processes might
this project/request produce if it is passed (e.g.,traffic delays, noise,
tax increases or assessments)?To Whom?When?For how long?
DISADVANTAGES IF NOT APPROVED
What will be the negative consequences if the promised action is nof .:
approved?Inabiliry to deliver service?Continued high traffic, noise,
accident rate?Loss of revenue?
FINANCIAL IMPACT
Although you must tailor the information you provide here to the issue you
are addressing, in general you must answer two questions: How much is it
going to cost?Who is going to pay? �
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I CITY OF SAINT PAUL ►v�embers:
,�a ; I OFFiCE OF THE CTTY COUNCIL Roger J.Goswitz,chair
. � : David Thune,vice chair
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, �i�����i� � tt Tom Dimond
p �o }��Ci��y�� Bob Long
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i Committee Report .
CITY CLERK
To: Saint Paul City Councii
From: Publi Works, Utilities, and Transportation Committee
Roge J. Goswitz, Chair �
Hearing Date I Action
Approv;al of Minutes of October 17, 1990. APPROVED 3-0
l. FINAL ORDER: For improving Stewart Avenue from APPROVED 3-0
Alton Street to Springfield Street by grading
pavin and constructing concrete curb and gutter
where necessary. (Laid over in Committee 9/19/90
and 1 /3/90)
2. 11/8/90 VACAT ON: Petition of Housing and Redevelopment LAID OVER TO
Autho ity for the vacation of part of Park Street, 11/21/90
Acker Street and the alleys in Jillson's-Addition
bound�d by Rice, Sycamore, Sylvan and the
Burli gton Northern Railroad. Purpose is to
devel p Phase I of URAP North End Development '
Proje t.
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3. 11/8/90 VACATIION: Petition of Ace Auto for the vacation LAID OVER TO
of pa�rt of Acker Street and Park Street. Bounded 11/21/90
by Rijce, Sycamore, Sylvan and the Burlington
Northlern Railroad. Purpose is to increase storage
area �for cars. - .
4. 11/8/90 AMEN�ED FINAL ORDER: Improve the following streets APPROVED
with �a bituminous roadway, concrete curb and gutters, 3-0
conc�ete driveway aprons and outwalks, boulevard
rest�ration and a lantern style street lighting
syst m for parts of Niles, Syndicate, Griggs,
Edgc mbe, Montcalm, Scheffer, Highland Parkway,
Elea or, Watson, Pleasant, Otto, May, Middleton,
Vist , Race, Alaska, Albion, Benson, Ivan Way and
Deal�on. All to be known as the Edgcumbe/Bayard
� - Area Street Paving and Lighting Project.
�. 11/8/90 , FIN L ORDER: Constructing the Edgcumbe/Bayard APPROVE -
Are Storm Sewer Project. Area bounded by Hamline, 3-0 -
Ran olph,-35E and Shepard Road. Also construction
i of anitary, storm and water service connections,
if r�equested by property owners.
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' Council F11e N 90-1692 'By Dave Thune,Bob Long— J :
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' Tn the Ma er of installaUon of sanitary,storm and water service connections,if;
="::requested by t e property ownei,ln connecrion wlth the Edgcumbe/Ba}iard Atea Storm`
: �Sewer And Str et Paving and Ligh#ing Project in VoEing Wards 2&3
�_The Coun�il of the City of Sa1nt Pau1 having received the repor"t of the Mayor upon�_
` the ab@ve imp ovement,and having considered said repori,hereby resolves: �� •.
-;, 1 �.�:1.�That fh said report arid the saine is hereby approved with no altemauves,•and
' that the esUm ted cost thereof fa per coniiection;iinanced by'assessments.Sanitary,
storm'�and wa er service connections are asses§ed at the rate in effect at the tlme of
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. �2':That a ublic_heazing be 1�ad on said improvement on the 8th da of Novem_ber,
. 1990.at 9_00 'clock a.m.,in tl:e Council Chambers of.the Gity Hall an � ourt�Iouse
Buildi}�g 1n th Clty ol.$afnt.Paul `?� ''
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<,8;.That n tice of said publi.c hearing be given�to the persons and in the manner
� 'prov_ic�ed by e•Charter, statlng the tlme,and.place of heazing,�the nature of,the��
improvement d the total cost thereof as esriuiated.� � ' ,;>;��';;� ' �
Ffle No. 1860 3 r` , - '" <. ;� ° ~L r. M
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Aipprove by Mayor September.21; 1990. ' " �' _. _ �
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RESOLUTION
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RESOLV�D, lthat the Saint Paul City Council consents to
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and approve's of ; the appointment, made by the Mayor, of LYNN LOBR to
the CIVIC CENTE�t AUTHORITY; filling the vacancy created by the
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resignation of �tichard Swanberg. Ms. Lohr will fill the remainder of
this four-year �'term. Her term shall expire July 1, 1993.
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Adopted by Council:' Date NOV 2 0 1990 Form A ed by Ci y Attorney
Adoptio rtified by Council Secretary g _� j6 ,_
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aY� Approved by Mayor for Submission to
Approved b Mayor: � NOV 2 1 1990 Council /�
Date
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p�}B��SNED ��-�; 11990
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DEPARTM[NTlOFFICE/OOUNpL DATE INITIATED
r�.yor Scheibel's of ice 10-25-90 GREEN SHEET No. 9324
CONTACT PERSON 8 PHONE INITIAU DATE INITIAUDATE
�DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR �CI7Y COUNCIL
Molly 0'Rourke/298- 736 �� ��y ATTORNEY �cirv c��c
MU8T 8E ON COUNdL AOENDA BY(DA IIOUTMIO BUDf�ET DIRECTOR �FIN.8 MOT.SERVICES DIR.
�MAYOR(OR A8818TANn ❑
TOTAL N OF SIQNATUHE PA 1 (CLIP A�L LOCATIONS F�i SKiNATUR�
ACTION REGUESTED:
Approval of appoin ent f LYNN LOHR to the Civic Center Authority. She fills the vacancy
created by Richard Swanb rg's resignation and will fill the remainder of his 4-year term.
This term shall ex ire J ly 1, 1993.
RECOAAMENDATION8:Approw(N a IRl COUNCIL EE/RR�EAFICFI REPORT OPTIONAL
P'� g...
ANALYBT NE .��°°�"i . �e ,�-
_PLANNINQ COMMISSION CINIL C�COMMISSION . i.� �^°,�y�:.� a�i��
_CIB OOMMITTEE
COMMENTB:
_STAFF
_p��R����,� OCT 2 9 1990
SUPPORTS WFHCH COUNpI OBJECTI 7
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INRIATiNO PR09LEM,ISSUE. ,WMt.Whsn.Whsro.Why):
ADVANTAOES IF APPROVED:
DI8ADVANTAOES IF APPROVED:
DI8ADVANTAQEB IF NOT
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RECEtYED
�����Q Counc�� �;����rc� C�n�t�r
. CITY CI.ERK f:��! 1���0
TOTAL AMOUNT OF ION COM/REVEt1U8 SIlD�TED(f�f�LE ONE) YP.B NO
FIq�INp gpup�E ACTIVITY NUMOER
FlNANCIAL INFORMATION: N)
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NOTE: COMPLETE QIRECTIONS ARE INCLUDED IN THE OREEN-3HEET IN3TRUCTIONAL
MANUAL AVAILABLE IN THE PURCHA31NZ3 OFFlCE.(PHONE NO.2�-422b).
ROUTINO ORDER:
BeloMr,_are proMrred routings for the flve m�t t►equsM trpss ot docurheMa:
. CONTFiACTS (assumes authorized OOUNqI RE30LUTION (Amend, Bdgts./
; '. budget exista) Accept. CireuHs)
1.. ;C)utside Apency 1. Dsp�rtm�nt Director
' 2. '•Ihitfeting Dspprtmsnt 2. Budp�t Dinctor
3. Gty Attomey 3. Gty At�Onlsy
4. Mayor 4. May�odAahtant
5. Fnar�ce 3 Mgmt S1res. Director 5. Gty Go�mdl
6. Financs AccauMing 6. Chisf AocouMant,Fln d�Mgmt Svcs.
ADMINISTRATIVE ORDER (Buclpst COUNCII RESOLUTION (all othe►s) .
Revision) and ORDINAN(�
1. . Activity Meneiper 1. InRiWng Depertm�M Director
D�p�rtrrNM lla:ountant
3. D�pannreM Dlroctor 3. Mayor/�Aaistant �
4. Btxlpet Diroctor 4. qty CoUnCil
5. Cily Clerk
8. Chief Accountant, Fin d�AA�mt Svca..
ADMINISTRATIVE ORDERS (ail others)
1. Initiatin�DspeRmsM
2. Clty Attomey
3. Mayor/Asefatant
4. Cfty Clerk
TOTAL NUMBER OF 31(iNATURE PAQES
Indicate the#�of peqes on which sipnaturos ere reqWred and e1�rC i�
e�ch of theae a�es.
ACTION REGIUE3TED
D�ribo what the Proj�ct/hQusst seeks to accomplish in either chronolopi-
cal order or order of importerwe.whichsver is rrwst appropriate for ths
issue. Do not write�mplete ssntences. Begin sach itsm in your Iist with
a verb.
RECOMMENDATIONS
Complete if tha issua fn question has been preserned bsfore anY�Y�P��
or private.
SUPPORT8 WHlqi COUNqL OBJECTIVE?
Indfcate which Council obj�ve(s)f�P�fe4�wi►P�bY���
the key Mrord(s)(HOU3INO, RECREATION, NEIOHBORFIOOD8, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT,
BUDGET,SEWER 3EPARATION).(SEE�MPL.ETE LIST IN INSTRUCTIONAL MANUAL.)
�UNCIL COMMITTEEIRESEARCH REPORT-OPTIONAL A3 REQUE8TED BY COUNCIL
iNITIATIN(i PROBLEM, 183UE,OPPORTUNIIY
Explafn the situetion or oonditlona that crsated a need for you�project
or request.
ADVANTA(3ES IF APPROVED
ladicate whether thia is simpiy an annual budget proceduro required by law/
charter or whether there aro speclHc wa In whfch ths City of Saint Ppul
snd its citizens will benefR from this pro�/action. . . .
DISADVANTAOES IF APPROVED
What negative effecta or major changes to exiatinp or past procssees might
thls projsct/requ�t producs H k is p�teed(e.g.,traffic d�laya, noise,
. taz increasea or a�nrents)?To Whom?When? For hohv'bn�?
DISADVANTA(iES IF NOT APPROVED
UVhat xrill be the nepativs conaequer�s if the p►omised action is not
approved? Inability to delive��v�e�Continued high traffio, noise,
accident rete?Loes of rwenus?
FlNANGAL IMPACT
Although you mwt tafbr ths information you provide here to the tssue you
ere addrsssing, in�nsral you muat anawer two questions: How much is it
going to coat?Who is�oiiny to pay?
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;' Interdepartmer�tal Memorandum
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TO: �Cou cil President William Wilson
jMe ers of the Saint Paul City Council
FROM: 'Mo l y O'Rourke��}�
Pol 'cy Analyst ��
DATE: Oct ber 30, 1990
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Attached 'is t�e resolution appointing Ms. Lynn Lohr to the
Civic Center uthority. She will fill the remainder of
Richard Swanb�rg's four-year term. This term will expire
July 1, 1993 .� A copy of Lynn Lohr's application is also attached.
If you have any questions, feel free to call me at 298-4736.
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BE IT ESOL;VED, Tha�t the Council of the City of Saint Paul
hereby cert�� fie� and approves the action of the Property Code
Enforcement Boar�d of Appeals pertaining to the following i'isted
property and as ; shown by the Excerpted Minutes of said Property
Code Enforcement Board, and dated September 11 , 1990 and marked
EXHIBIT A, snd $ttached hereto and made a part hereof by
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MINUTES �ASE NO: PROPERTY APPEALED APPELLANT
9/11/90 �69-90-F 1010 Lafond Ave. Herbert T. Lentsch
BOARD ACTION: i�Granted a variance allowing 5/8 inch deadboit
bn apartment doors, until they need repairs or
!replacing, at that time must conform to 1 " throw.
PROPERTY DESCRIIPTION: D. W. Moore' s addition
Ex E lOft Lot 3 Ex W 20ft
Lot 5 and all of Lot 4
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9/ 11/90 !22-90-R 1488 Goadrich Ave. William M. Dech
BOARD ACTION: jGranted a variance on the two (2)rainleaders on
' the sidewalk side of the house (N.W. & S.W. ) The
� rainleader on the N.E . to stay disconnected, with
'� the condition, that if, in the future it causes a
� ; water problem in the basement, Rainleader Division
is to re-inspect, at that time, a variance would
' be granted for the N. E . corner.
PROPERTY DESCRIIPT�ION: Summit View
Lot 6 Blk 8
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BOARD ACT110N: � Granted a variancz on the rainteader disconnection
for five (5 ) years , or at. the time the roo� is
replacecl, whichever comes first, included in the
boat`d action, the Appellant must pay the fair
cr�arc�es , wh i ch i�he C i ty charges .
PROPERTY DESC IF'TION : Elmer & Morrison' s �
Rearrangemen�t of Part of
Macalester Park
Lots 7 and
Lot F3 B 1 k 3
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City Cle�rk is hereby authorized and directed to transmit a copy
� of this res lution for recording �to the Ramsey County Office of
Register of Deeds .
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Approved by Ma�or: Date `j�� /'i�OV � 3 199�
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I(.5AIN7 PAUL BOARD UF APPEAL� & REVIEWi
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MINlJTE5, MEETINV 0� SEPTEMBER 11 , 1990
MEMBERS �RES NT: Ron Glassman, Chair-rnan
Ron Anken,y
James Laughlin
Joan Pearsan �
William Tilton
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UTHER PRESEN : Pat FisY��, St . Paul Fire Preventi�ri
Don Juenernanri, U i v. of �ub i i c Hea 1 th
I Maynard V i nc�e, D i v . of Pub I i c Nea 1 �tl-i
i Dick Lippert, Div. of Public H�alth7
5teve Roy, Vacant Buildings
� ; 5teve Herber�t , ka i n 1 eadei, D i v i s i on
Minnie Scf-�meus Ec�win �Timmer�s , Jr .
HeT-��rt Lentsct-i La�-ry O'Conne 1 i
i Wayne V. Swanson Mark G. Andersori
' 4J i 1 1 i am D�ch �3ar�t 1 e�tt B�ker
! Len Jackson Jear� l�aker
STAFF : ; Josepr� ine P. Bongiovanni
1 . Appraval of the mi nutes of t.he Augus�. 14, i�9t1 mctti n�� as
submitte�! in writ� ing.
Mat i on! made by Jaan Nearson dp�rov i ng t.f��e m i nute5 of tl�r
August114, 19yU meeting as submit�.ed in writ. ing. �econded
by Jarr�es Laughlin. MUTION CARRIEU UNANIMUUSLY .
Z. CASE NEAIRINGS:
CASE NU: , PRU('ER i�Y APNEALED APPELLAN�r
62-yU-H `567 Lex i ngton F'kwy. I�i nn i e Scr�maus .
( 1 uni�t)
AP1='EARANCE : M i nn i e �cr�maus
SUBJECI- : A�pellant is z-equesting an extEnsion of t. ime t.a
cornp i ete w�rk r�er�ta i n i ng to; re�a i r i ng soffi i�t and fac i d az-ound
t�ouse, scr�pe an�i r�e��d i r�t. c:h i �ped and f��ee I i n� pa i nt. rep I ac�e o I d
worn roaf �shingles , and repair garage . Lett.er da�.ed Au�ust 7 .
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one year.'
Maynard V i ng , fram t.flP D i v i s i on of Pub l i c Hea 1 tf��, stated that
certain �art should be repl �ced, for example, fascia boards ,
soff i t�s. Mr . V i nge stat.ed tha�L i f the Board chose �to grant. an
extensio� of �time for one year , he would r7ave no problem witn
that . � ,
Mr. V i nct I suc�gested that ther� az-e pr-agrams �r a pa i r�t.-a-thon
he 1 d onc a �ear . i f Ms . Si:hmaus qua 1 i f i es tr�ey may ass i st-. her
witf� pai tin�.
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trying to ge a gr-ant or a re-hab loan.
BUARD ACT I UN: Mot i or� made by kor� Ankeny to gr-ant. an exter�s i ori
of time, for one ,year until September 11 , 15�1 to do the repairs
pertaininq tb; repairing soffit ancl facia, scrape and re�aint
ch i pped and jpee 1 i ng pa i i��t 4 rep I ace worn roof� sh i ng 1 es and
re�air gar��e. Secanded by James L�ughlin. MUTIUN CARRIED
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APPEARANCE : i Ed 7immers
SUBJECI�: Ap�e 1 1 ani. i s dpped i i ng the "ORU�RS �(U VACA-I E" . Vacat.e
date was Au�ust 2 U , 1 yyt� .
PROCEEDINGS;: Aft�er a lenghty discussion Cha + rman Glassman
reviewed thie deficiency list with Mr . Timmers ( letter dated
August 8, 1�990} �:o see, i f tl�e 24 i terns 1 i stEd, had been
corrected. � Of th� 24 i�ems listed, Mr . Timmers �greed that seven
of the iterr�s had not been cornpleted. The items not correc-ted were;
item �9 - Living room laCks openable window, item ##10 - illegaliy
repa i red w�'st.e stack , i tem #1 2 - waste 1 i ne t.a I aun�lr-y tray i.s
i 1 1 e�a 1 1 y iinsta 1 1 ed, i �tem #�-18 - k i i:cPien f l oor c_over i rig i s r�ot.
i mperv i ous !to water , i teni #2 1 - bathroorn f 1 oor cover i ng i �: no�i.
i mperv i ous ito wa�er , i tern #22 - r�ear- ext.ei� i or steps and st:r i nc�ers
are deter i c�ra�l.i ng, and i tem , #23 ti-�e ��ck , at. thP E>ntrance to ti�e
Ic�wer unit � lacks a properly installed uuardrail .
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lift the pla ard on the "URDER to VACATE" , until Mr . Jueneman the
I nspectoi , r�- i nspects i.he p��operty t� vert i fy that the I i fe
safety i�emslhave been corrected, at that time, Mr . Juenemann ,
tne lnspector� will life the Placard; in addition to the life
safety i�:ems ; t.he foilowing seven items will have to be brought
up to code; item #9-livin� room lacks openat� le win�ow, item ##lU-
illegally re�aired waste stack, item #12-wasteline to laundry
tray is ille�aily installed, item #18-kitchen floor covering is
not imperviows t.o water , item �$21- bathroom flooi� �avering is not
imperviaus t� watzr , item #22-rear exterior steps and stringers
are deter� ior ting , and i�tem #23-deck by the back entrance to the
lower unit 1 cks a properly ir�stalled guardrail . Seconded by Ron
Ankeny.
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60-90-F i IOIU Lafond Ave. Herbert T. Lentsch
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5UBJECT: Ap�ellant is requesting a variance from St . Paul
Legisla'�iveiCode 34. 09; per�.aining to replacement of deadk�olt
locks , also ' adjustment oF hallway door closure to iaundry room.
Letter date¢i August 8, 199C) .
PRUCEEDINGS. Mr . Lentsch stated that the deadbolts are 5/8 inch.
The buildiri� is a security building.
BOARU ACTIU : Motion macie by Ron Glassrnan �to grant a variance
allowing 5/!3" dead bolt locks on apartment doors until thPy need
repairs or r�e�lacing, at that time, must. conform to 1 " throw.
Secondpd by� Ron. Ankeny. M(�TIc�N CARRIEU UNANIMOUSLY .
FUR-THER ACTI ON : Mo�l i on made by Roi�� Anker�Y t� deny t.t�e request for
a var i�nce— i�n the door c 1 osures t.o �I aundry roorn. �econded by
Joan Pearsdn. MUTION C:ARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
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APPEARA CE : arry O' Cannell
SUB_ ,JEC7! Appellant is request�ing a varience fi-om St. Paul
Legisla��.ive �Cade 34. 13 , pertdininq to; HAVING TO PROVIUE AUEQUATE
NUMBER C�F BEIUROt�MS TO ALLOW FUR 5U SQUARE FEET PE� PERSON.
Let�l.er �late 'July 2U, 1990 .
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PROCEEU NG: ,Pat F� i st� , from F i re Prevent.i on st.ated that there are
are 2 ui�i ts Ithat are overcrowded. The bu i 1 d i ng I�as four - one
�edroom uni�s, with 2U occupants . A �arnily of 7 is using the
livinc� oom �and dining room for sleeping quar°ters in a onF
bedrooml un i t� .
Mr . O'Cpnnell stated that. he s�oke with Ms . Fish to ciiscuss the
possibility� of conver� ing the k�uilding into a duplex. �'resently
the buildin� is "For Sale" .
Mr. U'Canne ih 1 i s request.i na an extens i on of -t.i me foz� one year .
BOARD ACTIUI : Motion made by Ron Ar�keny ta arant. an extension
of t i m� unt.i 1 January 1 , 1 99 1 to e i t.her- remov� or reduce t:he
nurnber of o •cupants , i nc 1 uded i n ti-ie i�oard acc i on i s tt�e
requirement. ta bring the upper unit irrto code compliance also.
Seconded b Don we� a�. MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY .
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APPEARANCE} Wayne V. Swans.on
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SUE3JECT: A�pellant is requesting an Extension of i�ime, allowin�
cooking fa�ilit. ies in sleepin� roam5 , as the Appellant is in the
process of! remodelirig all units t.o add kitchens and b�ths .
Letter dat�d July 2U , 1990 .
PRUCEED I NG : Cha i rman G 1 assmar� i nf=ormed tr�e Appe I I ant. of � 1 etter
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that he re�eived from Buil � ing Inspection 8 Uesign Division. �From
a Jahn Coni�ay Bu i 1 d i nc7 I nspector . I t s-tated that -there are r-io
currGnt buli 1 d i ng of p 1 umb i ny perm i�ts foi� t'r-�i s bu i I d i ng.
Pa�. F i 51"t , �from F i �-e Prevent i ori st.ated 1:hai. t.he bu i 1 d i nq �,erm i t
posted on !t.he building was taken out in 1982 .
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Mr. Swanson s -ated that at the t i rne the perrn i t was i.akeri out
1y82 , he info med the Building & Inspection Department. that this
project woulci take a long time to complete. Mr . Swanson will
make an appoi tment to meet. with John Conway, so as to get the
necessary per its that dre needed t.o complete the remadeling.
Ms. F i sh fro F i re Prcvent. i on st.ated that tr�er-e ar-e 5 s I eep i ng
i�ooms 1 efit t be remadel ed. The oti��ers h�ve been made i nto
apartments . 1"he pi�oblem is that. �these units have gas stove and
refrigerator in ver�y small congested �reas .
BUARD AC �I ON: Ma-t i on made bY B i 1 1 -f i 1 ton to grant a two yeai,
extension to complete the remadeling work in the remaining 5
sleeping ro�rr�s ( 1635 Sherburne) under proper per�mits . In order
to comply, c��king fiacilities must be removed or bathrooms added
in each unit �by the two-year deadline. Seconcied by Ron Glassman .
MUTION CARRI �D UNANIMOUSLY .
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SUBJECT: Ap ellant is requesting a variarice from the requirement
of having to�install a handsink in the bathroom of Apartment #4,
because of i �adequate space.
PROCEEDINGS:jIMs . Fish , from F �ii�e PrevEntion stated that the
bathroom is �extremely sm� ll , and in order ta confrom with code
there would �have to be extensive remodeling.
Ms . PearSOn,� a Boarci Member quest i oned the status of tf�e
Certificate of Occupancy? 5he understood 1:.hat it was ��evoked
about a mon h ago, Ts that correct?
The Apr�e 1 �I ar�t i nform Ms . Pearson -tP�at i t had not been revaked.
Mr. Swanson �stated that he is considering converting it back i�o
a duplex.
Ms . F i sF�, fr�om F i re Prevent.i on stat.ed �that the Cert i f i cate was
revoked, wh ii ch means tt�at a l l necessar-y work must. be comp l �te
within a sp�cific amount of time, or the building must. be
vacated, this does includr� the i-tem on the handsink .
The Appellant. stated �that he has been working �aith the
Ins�ectors , � but each t9me ari inspectian takes place, a different
Inspector c�mes to ti�ie properi�y and new order5 are issued.
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BOARD ACTIUN: Mo�tion made by Bill Till:on tc� deny the request for
varianca on he handsink, instead granted an extension of tirne
unt i 1 Januar 1 , 1 991 to i ns�:a 1 1 a hands i nk i n tr�e batr�room of
Apt. #�4 . 5econded by Joan Pearsor�. M07ION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY .
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L2-9U-R � 1488 Goodrich Ave. Williarn M. Uech
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APPEARANCE : Bill Dech �
SUBJECT: A ��ellant was before the Board at tl�e March 13 , 1990
m�eting req esting a variance from the r��uir�men�t of having to
disconnect i�he rainleaders , at that time, �.he Board denied the
variance. ppellant would like the Board to review the
rainleader ssue aaain.
PRUCEEDINGS: The Appellant stated that he disconnected the
ra i n 1 eaders as t�as r�equested of t�i m at the Mar-�ch meet i ng. At th i s
point , �:he Appellant would like to re-connect the rainleaders .
Since they ere disconnected there has been � considerable amount
of water da age i n t.he basemen�L.
After much discussion the board members felt tr�at the three (3;
ra i n 1 edder�I N. W. ,S. W and N. E . of the house shou�l d be re-coririected.
BOARU ACTI N : Motion was made by Ron Ankeny �rari�. ina a variance
on the two ' (2) rainleaders nn the sidewalk side of t.he r�ouse (N. W
and 5.W) . l�h� rainleader on the N.E . wili stay disconnecteu, wit.i�
the cond i t ij on, that i f, i n the fiu�ture i t. causes � water �rob 1 em i n
the basemernt,. tr�e �'ainleader Division is �:a re-inspect , at that.
time, a varFiance would be g_ranted for the N. E , corner
rainleader� James Laughlin. MOTION CARRIED UNANIMUUSLY .
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48-90-R 1775 Grand Ave. (3ar�: lett Baker
( 18 uni-ts)
APPEAF�ANCE�c_ Bart. 1 ett Baker
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SUBJECI-: A��pellant is request�ing a cont.ir�uance of the previousiy
granted variancz, until such time, that. tt-�e roof is replaced and
scuppers ad�ied.
PROCEED 1 NC�5: l�l-ie Appe 1 1 arit stated that tf�ie bu i I d i r�q i s a 18 un i t
k�u i 1 d i nq W i tl-� a f 1 at roof. Re i r� 1 eader D i v i s i on had granted d
cond i t. i ona I var i ar�ce on the bu i 1 d i ng. The r�c.�f �r-a i ns are
i ntegra I �i th tl�e bat�s . Roof p i tch dra i ns to tr�e m i dd 1 e of th��e
buiiding. ; Mr . Bartlett would like a cont.inuance of t.he variance
thdt was �i�anted i n 1 987 , unt i 1 such t i me that tt��e r-�af i s
replaced. '
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Steve Herber�t�, from the Ra i n 1 eader D i v i s i or� stat.ed that the cost
to connect �tq i�he s-torm sewer , about 320 feet away, could cost
abou�. $ 10 , 00� . 00 . lf the appellant does not connect. to the storm
sewer , there ! could be a fee charged t<� the proper�ty in the amount.
of a�proximai�ely 3UU . U0 per year .
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F30ARD ACTION� Motion made by Bili Tilton to c�rdn�t a variance on
the i�ainlead�r disconnection for 5 years , or at thz time the roof
i s rep 1 aced, � wh i ch ever cornes f i rst. I nc 1 uded i n ti-7e board
action, the �Appeilant. must �ay i�he fair charges which the City
charges . Sec,�nded by Ron Ankeny. MUTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
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74-y0-H ' S73 l_aurel Ave. Len Jacksan
i (vacant building)
APPEARANCE : Len Jackson
SUBJECI-: Ap ellant is request.ing a waiver of the re�is�ratiori fee
for a vacan buildirig in the amount of $380 . U0; also re�uesting a
refund ofi t. e f i 1 i ng fee of $25. 00.
PROCEEDINGS: t�ir . Jackson s�ated that the �lower unit. was vacant
and wir�dows were brc�ken. They were replaced and then broKen
again, at hat time Mr . Jackson boar��ied the windows on the lower
unit .
5teve Roy, !from �i v i s i on of Pub 1 i c Hea i t�� - Vacanl� Bu i I d i ngs ,
stated tha$ the City, because of a complaint, becarne awar�e of tne
building ir� October 1989. The complaint stated that thE upper
unit wes o�cupied and the lower unit was vdcar�t and in poor
condition. � The Inspector found the building oper� t.o trespass .
The first �loor unit was partially boarded. The definition of a
vacant buillding is "A building or portion of � buiiding, which is
unoccupiedland is either unsecured or boarded or a dangerous
structure. " I n th i s case, i t. met. the def i n i t.i on of a vacant.
building.� Consequently, the registi-a� ion is required of any
building hat' s pai�t.ial )y vacant �r unoccupied. The owner has
been adv i �ed of th i s. Just r-ecent 1 y, the owr�er had removed i�he
boards on ithe f i rst f 1 oors . From the prospect.i ve of fu�ture
�Fees , the. wi 1 1 not cont i nue t.o accure, the �ees ti-�a�. are due
and peridi �g are �l.he i ssue here.
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Mr. Jacks�in' s reaso.n for a waiver of the vacant buiiding fees and
the filin� fees is hardshi �.
BOARD ACTION : Mot. ion made by Bill Tilt.an to deny the request. for
a waiver f the vacant building fee of $38U . UU and a refund of
�tY�e �i 1 in�g fee of $25 . 001. Seconded by Joan Pear�son. MOT.IUN
CARR I,EU UiNAN I MOU5LY. �
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Meeting �d�iourned at 3 :30 �.m.
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DEPARTM[NT/OFFICE/OpUNqI DATE INITIATED �4 19��
°ro unio�ieSEn�l s�. _1 _ G'REEN .�'!HE NO. ����s �
OONTACT PER�ON 8 PNONE Q DEPARTMENT pRECTOR L
' NINMHI FM �CITY ATTORNEY GTY(�ERK
MU8T BE COUNpI IIOENDA BY T� ROU7p�0 BUDf�ET DIRECfOR FIN.8 MOT.�WVICES'DIR.
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TOTAL#�OF SK�NATURE PA (CLIP ALL LOCATIONS FOR SItiNATUR�
ACTION RE�UE8TED:
Resolution ppro ing the actions of the Property Code Enforcement Board
of Appeals.
RECO�ENOATiON8:APP►�W a► lRl COUNCN.COMMITY REPORT OPTIONA�
_�x�o co�xss�or� aw�� c�MisswH "w►�vsr ;���„��►�„���
_qB COMIMMTTEE _
_STAFF _ COMMENT8:
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iNiru►nrro Pr�M.�, Mn,o, ,wn.n.w�wr..wrM:
Approving th act' on of the Property Code Enforcement Board of Appeals
for the meet 'ng o September 11 , 1990._
ADVMITAOEB IF APP�YED:
Variances to he roperty will be ratified.
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None.
OISAOVMITAGE8IF NOT APPROVED:
The action tak n by the Property Code Enforcement Board of Appeals
will be return d to the Board, by the City Council for further review.
RECEIVED e�uncil t��,�`arc� C�nter
N��I�� C'�'`J 11�90
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CITY C
TOTAL AMOUNT OF TRAN�ACTION COST/REVENU!BUDOETED(CMCLE ONE) YES NO X
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RuNaNO sounc� �crvm Nu�n--�3 2 6 3
FlNANCIAL INFORMATION:(E%PWI�
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NOTE: (�AAPLETE DIRECTIONS ARE INCLUD[D lN THE OREEM SHEET INSTRUCTIONAL
MANUAL AVAILABLE IN TFIE PURCH/►3{NCi OFRCE�f'HONIE NO.288�422�.
ROUTING OADER: .
Bebw are prsferred routings for ths Nve moN frequent typss of documenta:
OONTRACTS , (qeum�authaiz�d COUNqL RE30LUTION (Am�nd. Bdgts./
budget exists) Accspt. QraMS)
1. Outside Ayancy 1. DeputmeM Director
2. Inititting Dspanmsnt 2. &�dp�t Dirootor
3. City Attorrwy 3. CItY�►ttaneY
4. Meyor 4. MByodAss�tent
5. Flnant�d AA�rnt 3vcs. Diroctor 5. �ty Gbundl
6. Fnance AccouMing 8. Chisf/1�couMnM.Fln&Mgmt Sw:s.
ADMINISTRATIVE ORDER (�' (�l1NqL RE30LUTION (��a��
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1. AcKivily M�r� 1. IniHatirq DepsRmsM Diroctor
2. Dsp�M�nt AcOOUMaM a• �Y�Y
3. D�ptutrn�nt Director 3. MayaMrMst�M
4. BtKlgst DireCtor 4. City Coul'ICiI
5. dty Clerit
6. GMsf AccouMaM.Fin 8 Mp�M S1rca.
ADMlNISTRATIVE ORDER3 (all othsrs)
1. IMtiating D�p�RmeM
2. Clty Attomey
3. Mayor/AeeistaM
4. Gty Clerk
TOTAL NUMBER OF SI(iNATURE PAOES
Indk�te the#�of pepss on which sipnatures are required and pepsrclfP
erch of thsse�es. --
ACT10N RE(�UE3TED
De�ibe whet the proj�cNnqw�t ss�ks b tocompliah in eith�chronobgi-
cal order a'order of importance�vrF�iCltsvsr is moet l�ppropri�e for the
iseus. Do not write oomplste ssnt�rK:eo.Be�fn each item in your Nst wfth
a verb.
RECOMMENDATIONS
• Complete if the i�e in quosUon h�s baan Dressnt�e!b�fa'e anY body� PubNc
a private.
SUPPORTS WHIG'�I OOUNqL OBJECTIVE4
Indkx�ts which Cou►�cil oblscUve(s)Y'�+►Prol�►�9��+PP�$M��►�9
the key hrord(sI(HOVSINO� RECREATION,NEIQHBORHOODS� ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT,
BUDGET, SEWER 3EPARATION).(SEE(bAAPLETE U8T IN IN3TRUCTIONAL MANUAL.)
COUNCIL COMMITTEEIRESEARCH REPORT-OPTIONAL A3 REQUE3TED BY COUNqL
INITIATINO PROBLEM,188UE,OPPORTUNITY
Explein the situtlbn or oondlHons that cre�ted a need for your projsct
or request.
ADVANTAQES IF APPROVED
Indicate whethsr this is simply an annual budpst procedure requirod by lawl
chaRer or wheth�thsre aro�c wa in which ths City of Safnt Paul
and its citizena wiN benNit irom this pro�t/nctbn.
DI3ADVANTACiES iF APPROVED
What ne�tive e�fecta or mejor changss to existing w p�st processea mipM
this proJect/requsst produrx if k is passed(e.g.�trafHc deleys, noise,
tax incressss or�sart�enb)?To VIR�an?When? For how.bnql
DISADVANTA(3ES IF NOT APPROVED
What will be the nepativs conssqusncea ii the promiaed aCticm is not
approved?InaWliry to deliver ss�vice?Contfnued high treiHc, noise,
accideM rats?Loss of revenue?
FINANCIAL IMPACT
Although you must tailor ths informetbn you provfde here to the isaue you
are addresainy, in�sneral you must anaMrer two queations: How much is it
9��9 to cost?Who is�oin9 m�Y?
Return cop� to: � �'� � � (\� � I ;"``�ouncil File � -
(JO) (StRaulAiie) , �� �� �Q}
Real Estate Division , - �' Green Sheet ,� � J'r
2�8 �ity xal� RESOLUTION
� CITY F SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA
Presented By � 'y`�,-� .
Referred To Committee: Date
WHEREAS , for the purpos of planting flower gardens , the
District 15 C mmunity Council has requested the use of a strip of
vacant land o the southeast corner of Edgcumbe Road and St. Paul
Avenue adjace t to Fire Station #19, consisting of 12,616 square
feet of undev loped street right-of�way; and
WHEREAS , the Department of Public Works has agreed to lease
the property to the District 15 Community Council for $1 .�J0 for
five years, a d
WHEREASI Fire Station #19 has agreed to provide water ,
hoses, and ot�er tools required to maintain the proposed gardens .
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NOW THER FORE BE IT RESOLVED, that the proper City officials
are hereby a thorized and directed to � execute Lease Agreement
PW/44.
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Adopted by Council: �ate
NOV i 3 1990 Form Approved by City Attorney ��
Adoption r ified by Council Secretary By:
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Approved by Mayor: �ate / '1�Up � � ��ncil , l
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RECEIVED /���0"`C�(��
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DEPARTMENTlOFFICFJCOUN IL DATE INITIATED T 2 6 199QVo _10 7 8 5
Finance & Mana ement S rvic s 10/19/1990 GREEN SHE
CONTACT PERSON 8 PHONE �DEPARTMENT DIRECTORNITIAUDATE IL INITIAVDATE
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ASSIGN CITY ATTORNEY � L�A
Dave Nelson 298 5317 NUMBERFOR �
MUST BE ON COUNCIL AQENDA BY(DATE) ROUTINQ �BUDQET DIRECTOR �FIN.&MGT.SERVICfS DIR.
ORDER �MAYOR(OR ASSISTANn �
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ACTION RE�UESTED:
To lease to District 1 Go unity Council 12,616 square feet of unimproved street right-of-
way on the southeast c rner of Edgcumbe Road and Saint Paul Avenue ad3acent to Fire Station
��19 for five years, fr m No ember 1, 1990 through October 31, 1995, for the purpose of
lantin flower arden . R f: 1. Resolution for consideration• 2. Sam le c of 1 a
RECOMMENDATIONS:Approve(A)or Reject(R) PERSONAL SERVICE CONTRACTS MUST ANSWER THE FOLLOWING�UESTIONB:
_PLANNINO COMMISSION _ CIVI SERVICE ION �• Has this person/firm ever worked under a contract for this department?
_CIB COMMITTEE _ C� YES NO
2. Hes this person/firm ever been a city employee?
_STAFF YES NO
_DiSTaiCT COURT �F� 3. Does this personlfirm possess a skill not normally possessed by eny current city employee?
SUPPORTS WHICH COUNCIL GII����j' O�'r, . 9 YES NO
/�,�t �!l�C F Explaln ell yes anawars on separats sheet and attach to grosn sheet
��N GF�j p�RFC
INITIATINCi PROBLEM,ISSUE,OPPORTUNITY(WhO, tW , l►A„ y):
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Linn Ward, on behalf f th District 15 Community Council, expressed to the Real Estate
Division a desire to i prov the appearance of the neighborhood by planting flower gardens
in the afore-mentioned unim roved right-of-way.
ADVANTAC�ES IF APPROVED:
District 15 Community Coun il will improve the appearance of the neighborhood.
DISADVANTAOES IF APPROVED:
N/A
DISADVANTAOES IF NOT APPROVED:
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Flowers will not be p ante . RECEIVEO ���`'��� '' ° '-`�'"��� � 3i��
N4V�0►51990 �� i � � �;���
CiTY CLERK
TOTAL AIiAOUNT OF TRANSACTION S 1.OO COST/REVENUE BUDQETED(CIRCLE ONE) YES NO
FUNDING SOURCE ACTIVITY NUMBER •
FINANCIAL INFORMATION:(EXPLAIN)
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NOTE: COMPLETEDIRECTIONS ARE INCLUDED IN THE GREEN SHEET INSTRUCTIONAL
MANUAL AVAILABLE IN THE PURCHASING OFFICE(PHONE NO.298-4225).
ROUTING ORDER:
Below are correct routings for the five most frequent types of documents:
CONTRACTS(assumes authorized budget exists) COUNCIL RESOLUTION (Amend Budgets/Accept. Grants)
1. Outside Agency 1. Department Director
2. Department Director 2. City Attorney
3. City Attorney 3. Budget Director
4. Mayor(for contracts over$15,000) 4. MayoNAssistant
5. Human Rights(for contracts over$50,000) 5. Ciry Council
6. Finance and Management Services Director 6. Chief Accountant, Finance and Management Services
7. Finsnce Accounting
ADMINISTRATIVE ORDERS(Budget Revision) COUNCIL RESOLUTION (all.others,and Ordinances)
1. Activity Manager 1. Department Director
2. Department Accountant 2. Ciry Attorney
3. Department Director 3. Mayor Assistant �
4. Budget Director 4. City Council �
5. City Clerk _
6. Chief Axountant, Finance and Management Services
ADMINISTRATIVE ORDERS(all others) -
1. Department Director
2. City Attorney
3. Finance and Manageme�t Services Director
4. City Clerk
TOTAL NUMBER OF SIGNATURE PAGES
Indicate the�of pages on which signatures are required and paperclip or flag
each M thsse pages.
ACTION REQUESTED
Describe what the projecUrequest seeks to accomplish in either chronologi-
cal order or order of importance,whichever is most appropriate for the
issue. Do not write complete sentences.Begin each item in your list with
a verb.
RECOMMENDATIONS
Complete if the issue in question has been presented before any body, public
or private.
SUPPORTS WHICH COUNCIL OBJECTIVE?
Indicate which Council objective(s)your projecUrequest supports by listing
the key word(s)(HOUSING, RECREATION, NEIGHBORHOODS, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT,
BUDGET, SEWER SEPARATION). (SEE COMPLETE LIST IN INSTRUCTIONAL MANUAL.)
PERSONAL SERVICE CONTRACTS:
This information will be used to determine the city's liability for workers compensation claims,taxes and proper civil service hiring rules.
INITIATING PROBLEM, ISSUE,OPPORTUNITY
Explain the situation or conditions that created a need for your project
or request.
ADVANTAGES IF APPROVED
Indicate whether this is simply an annual budget procedure required by law/
charter or whether there are spec'rfic ways in which the City of Saint Paul
and its citizens will benefit from this projecUaction.
DISADVANTAGES IF APPROVED
What negative effects or major changes to existing or past processes might
this projecUrequest produce if it is passed (e.g.,traffic delays, noise,
tax increases or assessments)?To Whom?When?For how long?
DISADVANTAGES IF NOT APPROVED
What will be the negative consequences if the promised action ls nat
approved7 Inability to deliver service7Continued higM iraffic, noise;
accident rate?Loss of revenue?
FINANCIAL IMPACT
Although you must tailor the information you provide here to the issue you
are addressing,in general you must answer two questions:How much is it
going to cost?Who is going to pay?
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CITY OF SAINT PAIIL
REAI, PROPERTY AGREEMENT
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(pw44) Revised 7/18/90
Authority (C.F. or A.O. � GTT1' o�,
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DATE: October 19 1990
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LESSOR:'� C Y OF SA PAUL
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DEPARTME? OF IC W RS CITY OF SAINT PAUL
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LES3EE: ISTRI 15 C I OIINC '�
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(1) L ase Premises. The LESSO in co eration of e pa
of the Basic Re t and Additional Rent here' r specifie o be p�'
by the LESSEE, �and the covenants and agre � t herein co �d, does
hereby lease, demise and let� unto LESSEE t pre�tis hereinafter
referred to as he "Leased Prernises, " consistin of 12`� quare feet,
more or less, o vacant land located on teh soutYi` t ' ne�of Edgcumbe
Road and Saint Paul Avenue, which is legally desc as.�
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Subject�, to alley, all that part of vacated Worc�t� Street
accruin Lots 10 and il, Block 6, Granport Additon �� the City
of Sain� Paul.
See Exhibit "A"I, plan or map of leased area which is incorporated herein
by this referer�ce.
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(2) erm �'of Lease. This lease shall be in effect for a term
commencingland ending on the dates indicated below, unless terminated
earlier by the LESSOR as provided herein.
Term (Months/ ears) Commencing Date Ending Date
5 yea�rs T November 1, 1990 October 31, 1995
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(3) Ose�' of remises. The LESSEE shall use and occupy tye Leased
Premises foz th , following purpose:
� Flower Garden
and for no oth r purpose without the prior written consent of LESSOR.
(4) Rent. � Rent shall consist of Basic Rent and such Additional
Rent as may ap ly. LESSEE shall pay all rent in advance, on the
first day of he term of the lease as indicated in the Payment
Schedule below: �
(a) 3asic �2ent
Total Basic Ren�
Durin Lease Term Commencing Date
$1 .BQ September 21, 1990
(b) Additional Rent. ihe LESSE� shall pay all Additional Rent.
Additional Ren means all amounts, other than 3asic Rent provided for
in paragraph ( ) (a) above, which LESSEE shall be obligated to pay
under this par graph or other provisions of this Lease. Additional
Rent includes , � but is not limited to, the following fees, costs and
expenses: (1) ' costs for the
repairs , impro ements or alterations required to be made by the LESSEE
in paragraph 1 of this Lease; (2) all taxes on realty or nersonalty,
general or spe ial ; and (3) all public rates , dues , charges and as-
sessments , gen ral or special , of any kind upon the Leased Premises .
In the event t�hat LESSEE does not make such payments (or any payments
requirzd to bei, paid as Additional Rent) , LESSOR may make the payments
at its option,i and the payments so paid become Additional Rent, and
are due and pa�able by the LESSEE with the payment of Basic Rent next
required afterlwritten notice of same to the LESSEE by LESSOR.
LESSEE shall �ake all oayments of Basic Rent and Additional Rent to
LESSOR at the �ollowing address:
Cit of Sai � t Paul, De t. of Public Works, Div. of Ri hts-of-Wa
6th Floor , Cit Hall Annex, 25 W. 4th St. , St. Paul, Minnesota 55102
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(5) Taxes LESSEE shall be responsible for and pay aIl taxes and
assessments ag inst the Leased Premises, except that LESSEE may at its
own expense co test and challenge the imposition or amount of any;,.�uch
tax or ass�essm nt as prescribed by law; provided, however, that in the
event thi5 Le se is terminated by either party, LESSOR may at its
option requirel the LESSEE to pay such contested taxes oending appeal ,
to place in eslcrow a sum sufficient to pay said taxes, or take other
action which Will remove said contested taxes as an encumbrance to
title or as an� exception to the transferability of marketable title to
the Leased Prefiises .
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(6) Ri ht f Entr . At all times during the term of this lease,
the LESSOR shal have the right, by itself, its agents and employees,
to enter in�o a d upon the Leased Premises during reasonable business
hours to ex�min and inspect the same.
(7) In uran e. LESSEE and L�SSOR shall maintain during the t2rm
of this lease a d upon the Leased Premises certain insurance coverage
which is de5cri ed as follows:
(a) WdRKE S ' COMPENSATION INSURANCE in compliance with the laws
of th State of yinnesota; and EMPLOYERS ' LIABILITY INSUR-
AINCE n an amount not less than $100,000 per accident and
with n a11 states endorsement.
(b) CmriPR HENSIVE GENERAL LIABILITY IVSURANCE including blanket
contr ctual liability coverage, personal injury liability
cpver ge and broad form property damage liability endorse-
ment ith a combined single limit of not less than $6Q0, 0fd
per o�currence shall be purchased by the LESSEE. Such insur--
apce �hall : (1) name the City of Saint Paul as additional
ihsur d; (2) be primary with respect to LESSOR' S insurance;
(3) n�t excl�de explosion, collapse and underground property
d�.mag ; (4) be written on an "Occurrence" Form policy basis;
and ( 5 ) not contain an "aggregate" policy limit unless
speci ically approved in writing by LESSOR.
(c) The L�SSEE shall supply to LESSOR current insurance certifi-
, cateslfor policies requir�d in Paragraph (7) . The said
cjertificates shall certify whether or not the agent has
error� and omissions insurance coverage.
(d} Tlhe 1'imits cited under each insurance requirement above
estab ish minimums; and it is the sole responsibility of the
L�ESSE to purchase and maintain additional insurance that
mlay b necessary in relation to this lease.
(e) vbthi g in this contract shall constitute a waiver by the
LIESSO of any statutory limits or exceptions on liability.
(f) L�ESSE shall place the insurance with responsible insurance
ciompanies authorized and licensed to do business in the
S!,tate of Minnesota and apQroved by LESSOR, and shall det#'ver
clopie of the policies to LESSOR on the date of LESSOR' S
e!xecu ion of this agreement. The policies reguired in para-
g�raph (7) shall be endorsed to indicate that the insurer
canno cancel or change the insurance without first giving
he L SSOR 30 days ' written notice.
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(8) Canc lla ion or Ter�nination. This lease shall be subject to
cancellation and termination by LESSOR at any time during the term
hereof by gi ing the LESSEE notice in writing at ninety (9B) days,
(thirty (3fd) ; day for leases with a term of one (1) year or less or
any month-to-�mont tenancies) pridr to the date when such termination
shall becom� effective. In the event of such termination , LESSOR
shall return any !unearned rental paid by the LESSEE without interest.
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(9) Noi�ice.i All notices herein provided to be given, or which
may be give oytzither party to the other, shall be deemed to have
been fully a�iver� when served personally on LESSOR or LESSEE, or when
made in wri�ing land deposited in the United States Mail, certified and
postage prepaid, and addressed to the LESSEE at the address stated on
page {1) and to � the LESSOR at t'ne Division of Valuations, Real Estate
Section, 21� Ci�y Hall , Saint Paul , Minnesota 55102. The address to
which tne t�oti e shall be mailed may be changed by written notice
given by either party to the other. Notning herein shall preclude the
giving of such ddress change notice by personal service.
(1H) �ssi nment and Sublettin . LESSEE shall not assign or sublet
this Lease' wit out the written consent of the LESSOR, which consent
must be ob�tain d prior to the execution of any agreement to sublease
the Leased Pre�iises.
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(11) �Mai 'tenance and Re aits. The LESSEE shall, at its own cost
and expen$e, e responsible for all repairs, maintenance and upkeep of
trees , sh;rubb�ry and flower gardens which it has planted or caused to
be plante�l an�3 all pathways which it has constructed or caused to be
construct�ed . ! Such repairs, maintenance and upkeep shall include but
sha11 not be Ilimited to emergency repairs of any kind; routine maint-
enance acld r�pair to keep the plantings and pathways in good repair ,
safe and in ompliance with applicable fire, health, building and
other li�e-s�fety codes. The LESSOR shall be responsiDle for mowing
and otherwisie maintaining the grass and for snow removal from, and
other maintec�ance of any sidewalks on or abutting the Leased Premises.
(12) Pa ents in Case of Default. LESSEE shall pay LESSOR all
costs acid ex enses, including reasonable attorney' s fees in any action
brought by T�'ESSOR to recover any rent due and unpaid hereunder, or for
the bre�ch �r default of any of the covenants or agreements contained
in this Lea�e, or to recover possession of said property, whether�s�''uch
action prog�esses to judgment or not.
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(13� S rrender of Pre�nises. The LESSEE, at the expiration of
said term,i or any sooner termination of this lease, shall quit
peace$ull ' and surrender possession of said Qroperty and its
appurt�nan es to LESSOR in as good order and condition as the prooerty
was de�.ive ed to the LESSEE .
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hold harmle s t e • City of Saint Paul and any agents, officers and
employees here�of from all claims , d�mands , actions or causes of
action of w atsaever nature or character, arising out of or by reason
of the Lease of; the herein described premises by the LESSOR to the
LESSEE, or he dse or condition of the premises or as a result of the
operations r b siness activities taking place on the premises. It is
fully under too and agreed that LESSEE is aware of the conditions of
the Leased rem ses and leases the same "as is. "
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(15) Holdov r. Any holdover after the expiration of the t2r:n
of this Lease s all be allowed only after receiving the written consent
of the LESS�OR. � Said tenancy shall be deemed to be a tznancy only from
month-to-mdnth.; All other t�rms and conditions of this Lease shall be
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(16) �ollu ion and Contaminants. LESSEE agrees to comply with
all ordi anc s , laws , rules and regulations enacted by any
governmental ody or agency relating to the control , abatement or
emission o�f air and water contaminants and the disoosal of refuse,
solid wastes r liquid wastes . LESSEL shall bear 311 costs and
expenses a,�isi g from compliance with said ordinances , laws, rules, or
regulations an shall indemnify, defend, save and hold harmless LESSOR
from all 1,'iabi ity, including without limitation, fines, forfeitures ,
and penal�ies �arising from the failure by LESSEE to comply with such
ordinances , l,�ws , rules or regulations . LESSOR has the right to
perform cYean p and charge the GESSEE as Additional Rent for such
costs sho�ld t�e LESSEE fail to comply.
17) Cont � ollin Lease. In the event there is an rior existin
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lease or re tal agr2ement bet��een LESSEE and LESSOR ( or its
predecessor ic� interest) covering the subject property, it is agreed
and understoo that this Lease shall cancel and terminate any prior
leases or ren�al agreements as of the effective date of this iease.
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(18) Des �ruction. In the event of damage to or destruction of
the Leas�d Pr mises or in the event the premises becomes untenantable
or unfit for occupancy due to such damage during the term of this
Lease, L;ESSO�R may at its option:
(a) ' terjminate the lease upon fifteen (15) days ' written n`t ce
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(b) wit�hin fifteen (15 ) days aqree to restore the premises
wi�hin a reasonable time period following the casualty,
ch rging the costs in excess of the insurance proceeds, if
an�i, to the LESSEE as Additional Rent; or
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to sub tantially the condition existing immediately prior to
su h d mage or destruction, and for that purpose, if such
da ageior destruction was caused by perils insured against
th LE�SOR shall make available to LESSEE pro-rata, as work
p ogre�ses , the net proceeds of such insurance. If such
p ocee�ls are insufficient to pay the entire cost thereof,
L SSEEj agrees to pay as Additional Rent, a lump sum payment
( r i� a form agreed upon by the LESSOR) equal to the
r�mair�der of such cost.
The Basic �tent� to be paid during the restoration period shall be
abated in �rop�'rtion to the percentage of loss and impairment of the
use of thei Leased Premises as determined by the LESSOR, times the
number of c�ays lof loss or impairment.
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(19) �.Ivent of Default. Any of the following events occurring
during the; ter of this Lease shall constitute an event of default by
the LESSEEi:
(a) the ; filinq of a petition to have LESSEE adjudicated
;bank�rupt or a petition for reorganization or arrangement
und r any laws of the Jnited States relating to bankruptcy
' fil�d by LESSEE;
(b) in 1�he event a petition to have LESSEE adjudicated bankrupt
isifiled against LESSEE , the failure to dismiss such
pet�ition within ninety (9B) days from the date of such
filling;
(c) ' th� assets of LESSEE or of the business conducted by LESSEE
� onjthe Leased Premises be assumed by any trustee or other
pe#son pursuant to any judicial proceedings;
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(d)! LE�SEE makes any assignment for the benefit of creditors;
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(e)� thle failure by LESSEE to timely pay Basic Rent or Additional
Re�nt as required by this Lease;
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(f� tl�e failure by LESSEE to observe and perform any covenant,
c{�ndition or agreement on its part to be observed,�,,,or
p�rformed as required by this Lease; or `
(c�) t�e failure by LESSEE or its surety to discharge, satisfy or
i rlelease any lien or lien statement filed or recorded against
he Leased Premises within sixty days after the date of such
iling or recording, whichever date is earlier.
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It is an ex res � covenant and agreement of LESSOR and LESSEE that
LESSOR may, t i s election, ter:�inate this Lease in the event of the
occurrence f a y of the events described in this paragraph or in
paragraph ( 2) elating to liens by giving • not less than ten days '
written noti,ce o LESSEE; and when so terminated, LESSOR may reenter
the Leased ffremises. This Lease and its Leased Premises shall not be
treatzd as an sset of LESSEE ' S estate. It is further expressly
understood �nd greed that LESSOR shall be entitled upon such reentry,
notwithstanding � any other orovision of this Lease, to exercise such
rights and rer�edies as are provided in Paragraph (24) of this Lease.
(20) C m llance with Laws. The prooerty described herein may be
used for pnly , the purposes stated herein . It is the sole and
exclusive �espa�nsibility of the LESSEE in the use of the property to
comply witM al ' laws , rules , regulations or ordinances imposed by any
jurisdicti�n a fecting the use to which the property is proposed �o be
put . Inabiilit or failure by the LESSEE to comply with any of said
laws, ruleS , r gulations or ordinances will not relieve the LESSEE of
the obliga!tion to pay the rental provided herein.
(21) Non-- iscrimination. The LESSEE for himself, his personal
representative , successors in interest and assigns , as a nart of the
considerat$ion ,hereof, does hereby covenant and agree, as a covenant
running w�th p�he land, that
(a) no �erson , on the ground of race , sex , color creed ,
rel�gion, age, disability, marital status , status with
res ect to public assistance or national origin or ancestry
shall be excluded from participating in , be denied the
ben�fits of or be otherwise subjected to discrimination in
! the� use of said facilities;
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(�) th�t in connection with the construction of any improvements
on ! said lands and the furnishing of services thereon, no
� di � crimination shall be practiced in the selection of
em loyees and contractors, by contractors in the selection
an retention of first-tier subcontractors, and by first-
ti�r subcontractors in the selection and retention of
se,�ond-tier subcontractors;
(c� thl�at such discrimination shall not be practiced against the
� p�blic in it access in and use of the facilities and ser-
v ' ces provided for as public accommodations (such as eating,
s eeping , rest and recreation) constructed or operat� on
t e Leased Pzemises; and
(d) t$�at the LESSEE shall use the premises in compliance with
a�11 other requirements imposed pnrsuant to the Saint Paul
L�egislative Code Chapter 183.
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(22) Lien . �he LESSEE shall not permit mechanic's liens or
other liens t be filed or established or to remain against the Leased
Premises for abor, materials or services furnished in connection with
any addition , m difications , improvements , r�pairs , renewals or
replacements Imade to the Leased Premises, or for any other reason,
provided that if tne LESSEE shall first notify the LESSOR of its
intention to do so and shall deposit in escrow with the LESSOR a sum
of money or �, bo d or irrevocable letter of credit acceptable to the
LESSOR equal to he amount of the claim of lien, LESSEE may in good
faith contesk an such claims or mechanic ' s or other liens filed or
established �nd 'n such event may �ermit the items contested to remain
undischarged and unsatisfied during the period of such contest. If,
in the ooir�ion of the LESSOR , the nonpayment of any such items
subjects the; Lea ed Premises to any loss or forfeiture, the LESSOR may
require the ;LESS E to use the escrow account to promptly pay alI such
unpaid item� an if LESSEE fails to pay from the escrow account, the
LESSOR may �ay nd charge the LESSEr, as Additional Rent.
(23) Em�inen Domain. In the event the entire Lease3 Premises
are taken ay eminent domain, or such portion thereof is so taken that
in LESSEE ' S easonable judgement it is uneconomic ther2after to
restore t:�q Leased Premises and proceed under the terms and provisions
of this Le�ase, LESSEE may terminate this Lease by giving to LESSOR
thirty day� ' w itten notice of termination, effective as of the date
on which �he �ondemning authority ac�uires legal title or physical
possession of �he Leased Premises. LESSEE hereby waives and releases
any claim to �r share in the Award of Compensation for the taking,
notwithstaindin� any other provision of law, this Lease or any other
agreement . �'ESSEE may to the extent otherwise permitted in the
eminent d4mai , proceeding , remove its own trade fixtures at its own
expense.
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under paragra h (19) of this Lease, LESSOR may exercise any one or
more of t'he fpllowing remedies:
(a) re�nter and take possession of the Premises without
te�mination of this Lease, and use its best efforts to
le se the Premises to or enter into an agreement with
an�ther nerson for the account of LESSEE;
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(b); te�minate this lease, exclude LESSEE from possession of
th� Premises, and use its best efforts to lease the Pres��'ses
toi or enter into an agreement with another in accordance
wi�th applicable law;
(cj e�clude LESSEE from possession of the Pr2mises , with or
w�.thout terminating this Lease and operate the Premises
itself;
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Pr�mises, sell all or any part of the Premises at the best
pr ,�ce obtainable (provided such sale is permitted by
appli able law , ) such sale to be on such terms and
conditions as the LESSOR , in its sole discretion, shall
deter ine and apply the proceeds of such sale less any
expens s thereof for the account of the LESSEE.
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(e) e�erci�se any remedies available to it under the Minnesota
Urnifo�'m Commercial Code; '
• (f) take jwhatever action at law or in equity may appear
n�eces�sary or appropriate to collect the Basic Rent and
Addit�.onal Rent then due and thereafter to become due, or to
�nfor,�e oerformance and observance of any obligation,
�lgree,lment or covenant of the LESSEE under this Lease.
(g) �n e�ercising any of its remedies set forth in this Section,
khe ESSOR may, whether or not the Lease is then in effect,
k�old� the LESSEE liable for the difference bet�aeen the
paym�nts and oth�r costs for which the LESSEE is responsible
;unde�r this Leas2.
No remedy her�in conferred upon or reserved to LESSOR is intended to
be exclus�ve �f any other available remedy or remedies, but each such
remedy shall !be cumulative and shall be in addition to every other
remedy gi;ven �nder this Lease or now or thereafter existing at law or
in equity� by �tatute. No delay or omission to exercise any such right
or power; acc�uing upon any default shall impair any such right or
power or �shal�'1 be construed to be a waiver thereof , but any such right
and poweX ma be exercised from time to time and as often as may be
deemed e�xped ' ent. In order to entitle the LESSOR to exercise any
remedy r�ser ed to it in this Provision, it shall not be necessary to
give an� no#ice, other than such notice as may be 'nerein expressly
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(25) ,' Al � erations. The LESSEE will not mak2 any alterations to the
premise$ wi hout the written consent of the LESSOR, such consent not
to be ulnrea�sonably withheld. If the LESSEE desires to make any such
alterations , an accurate description shall first be submitted to and
approv�d b�i the 'LESSOR and such alterations shall be done ny the
LESSEE at ijts own expense. All such work shall be performed under the
LESSOR"S sylpervision and any improvements made to the Leased Premises
at the� LES EE' S expense shall become the property of the LESSOR at��,the
end of! the� Lease period. LESSEE agrees that all alterations wi`ll be
done �n a workmanlike manner and in conformance with applicable
buildi,'ng c des , that the structural integrity and building systems of
the bv�ilding will not be impaired, and that no liens will attach to
the pttemises by reason thereof.
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notwithstandi g, his Lease may be terminated, and the provisions of
this Lease �yay e, in writing , amended by �utuai consent of the
parties herei,n.
(27) Sltora e Box. The LESSEE shall be permitted to install a
tool storage; box on or near the building known as Fire Station #19,
being adjacept t the Leased Premises . The said tool storage box and
the ar2a in whi h it is located shall be considered a part of the
Leased Premilses and as such shall be subject to all ter�ns and con--
ditions of t'his ease agreement. The specific location of the storage
box shall b� subject to the approval of the Fire Station �19 chief.
(28) � IIse of Water from Fire Station #19. For the purpose of
watering th� fl wer gardens located on the Leased Premises, the LESSEE
shall be pqrmit ed to use water from �'ire Station #19, subject to the
approval o� the person in charge of said Fire Station �19 at the time
the LESSEEireq ests such use. The LESSEE shall provide the necessary
hoses , noz�les and all other tools and implements used in. the trans-
portation pf t e water to, and the distribution of the water upon the
Leased Prehnise . The LESSEE shall assume liability for all claims,
demands, actio s or causes of action of whatsoever nature or char--
acter, ari;sing out of its transportation and/or use of the water.
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IN WITNESS W REO�, the parties hereto have set their hands and seals
the day and year n this Lease first above-written.
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RESOLUTION
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RESO�,UTION AUTHORIZING E<`�FCiJTIOr� A?�1n ?�F.LI�Ir'?�'
OF A�FIRST AMENDMENT TO JOINT POWE?'zS A(�T'r,T'??"�T'"
'R.ELA�'ING TO THE RIVEPFRnNT REDEVELOPMENT Pp��JECT
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_ (A) Th ' City of Saint Paul , Minnesota (tYie "City") and the
Housing �.nd edevelopment Authority of the City of Saint Paul ,
Minnesota (t e "Authority") have entered into t:zat certain Joint
Powers Agree ent dated as of December l , 1987 (the "Original
Agreemenk") elating to the Authority' s Riverfront P.edevelopment
Project.!
(B) Thl Authority and the City have now determined that it
is nece�'sar �and desirable for the Authorit and the Cit to
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enter ix�to a� First Amendment to Joint Powers Agreement to be
dated a$ of ecember 1, 1990 (the "First Amendment") , in
substan�ial y the form of the First Amendment to Joint Powers
Agreenle�t s bmitted to this City Council for approval . '
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N0�,1 TH�REFORE , BE IT RESOLVED by the City Council of the
City of Sai�.t Paul , Minnesota, as follows :
1 . Th� First Ar.lendment to Joint Powers Agreement to be
dated, ais of� December l , 199Q is hereby approved in substantially
the fo�m su�bmitted to this City Council . The ?'Zayor and nirector ,
Denart�entlof Finance and Management Services , of the City are
hereby ;aut orized and directed to execute and deliver the First
Amendm�nt pon atinroval of the form hereof by the office of the
City A�tor ey with onI_y such variations or chan�es from the form
of said do ur_Zent submitted to this meeting as may be necessary
to coml�Iet said document , or to correct any errors therein, or
t.�ith suc?�. ther changes therein as are , in the opinion of the
City A;ttor ey, not materially adverse to the interests of the
City. ; In he event of the absence of disability of either of
said c}fficers , their designee is hereby authorized and directed
to ex�cute� said document with the same force and effect as though
the n�.medlofficers had executed the same .
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2 . To th� extent required by la�v, �the City hereby anoroves ,
consents to, a d ratifies �all actions taken by the Authority in
connection wit the issuance of the 1990 Bonds (as defined in
the First Amen ment to Joint Powers A,reement) .
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�� RESOLUTION
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RES UT�ON OF THE CITY OF SAINT PAUL AUTHOP.IZING THE }.
EXF�'CU N OF FIRST AP�IENDPiENT TO JOINT PC3AE�S AGREEMENT
IN ;CON CTION WITH THE RIVF.RFRONT ?tEDEVELOPMENT PROJECT
A�A A EVELOPT7ENT DISTRICT
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jJH�REA , purs ant to Minnesota Statutes , Section 469 . 00I through
469. 048 and 469 . 124 hroup,h 469. 134, as amended (the "Act") the City
of Saint Pa 1, Minnes ta (the "City") has , acting jointly with The
Housingiand Redevelopm t Authority of the City of Saint Paul ,
Minneso�ta ( he "Authorit ") , undertaken the Riverfront RedeveloP-
ment Pr;ojec and Develonr.i t District (the "Project") and has
adopted; a P, development Pla and Development Program therefor
(the "J�evel nment Pro;ram") ;
. j,TI�ERE S , the purposes of t e Proj ect Redevelopment Plan and
Develo�ment� Program are (a) to de elon or redevelop sites , lands
or are�.s �a�thin the City which are�,already built uv which qualify
as a redev lopment district under t�i�nesota Statutes, Section
469 . 174, S�bdivision I0; and (b) to u�dertake and finance these
actionls as one project utilizing tax i�crement financing;
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WIHERE� S, the City has , acting jointly ��ith the Authority,
pursu�nt t� the Redevelonment Plan and Dev�lopment Program and
the p�ovisions of Minnesota Statutes, Sections 469.174 to 469 . 179 ,
as am$nded�' (the "Tax Increment Act") created a tax increment
finan¢ing �district zaithin the area com�rising �the Project (��ie
"Tax �ncr�ment District") and has adopted a tax increment fi,�an-
cing plan � therefor (the "Tax Increment Plan") ;
��-iER�AS , the Tax Increment Plan authorizes certain exnendi-
tures to inance certain public redevelonment costs tvithin the
Proje,'ct a�ea, including but not limited to, Iand acquisition,
reloqatio , site preparation, demolition, utilities , construction
of �.�'par�-'ng ramp and other public improvements (collectively,
th� '�Pub ic Redevelonment Costs") and the issuance of tax incre-
ment ;bon s to finance the same;
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'j�iEI��AS , on December 22, 1987 , the Authority issued its
$I4, �75 , (�00 Ter_inorary Tax Increment Revenue Bonds, Series 19°0
, and �ts 8 , 300, 000 Ta�able Tax Increment Revenue 3onds , Series
1990i (co Iectively, the "I987 Temnorary Bonds") to finance certain
nubl�ic r development costs within� the Project ;
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WHER�EAS , the City and the Authority have heretofore entered
into hat� cer ain Joint Powers Agreement, dated as of December 1 ,
1990, 'n �conn�ection with the Project;
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WHE AS,� the Authority intends to issue in an amount not to
exceed i�s .$ 4, 775 , 000 Temuorary Tax Increment Revenue Bonds ,
Series 1990`'�,� nd in an amount not to exceed its $8 ,300,000 Taxable
Tem�orar Ta �, Increment Revenue Bonds , Series 1990 (collectively,
the� "Ser�es 390 Temporary Bonds") to refund a portion of the
I987 Tem�pora y Bonds ;
WHEREAS�, the '�eries 1990 Temporary Bonds are being issued
pursuan� to inneso�a Statutes , Section 469 . 178 , sub. 5 in
anticip�tior�of the issuance by the City of its general obligation
tax increme�c�.t revenue `�onds (the "General Obligation Revenue Bonds")
�ursuant toiMinnesota Statutes , Section 469:178 , 5ub. 2 ;
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WH�REA� , it is necess°a�ry to amend the Joint Powers Agreement
to incl�ude binding covenaiZ.t of the City to issue the General
Obligation evenue Bonds to �.y the Series 1990 Temporary Bonds
at their maturity, or such datl� as they are called for earlier
redemp�ion;l
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WI�iERE�S , a form of First Amen ment to Joint Powers Agreement
between tk� Authority and the City ated as of December 1 , 1990
has beien p�epared and reviewed by th City staff and legal counsel ;
NOW T�iEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED by tY� City Council of the
City af Sa�int Paul , Minnesota, as follo
1 . �he First Amendment to the Joint owers Agreement (the
"First Am ndment") , in the form submitted t the City at this
meeti�g i hereby approved. The First Amen�ent is authorized
and d�.rec ed to be executed and delivered in �he name of and
on bei'half of the City by its Mayor, Clerk, Diriector, Department
of Fi,nanc� and Management Services and TreasureX.
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prio� tolexecution and delivery by the parties thereto , provided
th�.t any , such variance shall not be, in the opinion of counsel
to the C�ty, materially adverse to the interests of the City.
The iexec tion and delivery of the First Amendment shall be
concilusi�e evidence of the determination that any such variance
was i'not �naterially adverse to the int�e.rests of the City.
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3 . 7?he p rformance of all covenants and agreements of the
City contained�in the Joint Powers Agreement , as amended by the
First Ame�dme t and this Resolution are authorized by the Act ,
the Tax I�ere ent Act and this Resolution.
4. '�he ssuance of the General Obligation Tax Increment
R.evenue B�nds `(the "Bonds") in an a�iiount not to exceed $23 , 075 ,000
to perman�entl �inance the Public Redevelopment Costs is hereby
approved. Th Bonds would be issued no earlier than December 1 ,
1992 , thei opt'onal redemption date for the Series 1990 Temporary
Bonds , nclr 1 ter than December 1 , 1993, the maturity date of the
Series 1Q90 emporary Bonds . The interest rate, maturity schedule,
optionalired mption provisions , timing of issuance, princiAal
amount, �.nd ther details of the issuance of the Bonds shall be
consiste�it w th the provisions of the First Amendment and as set
forth in a r solution of the City Council to be adopted at the
time of �issu nce of the Bonds .
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5 . AI1' actions of the members , employees and staff of the
City he�etoflore taken in furtherance of the Project and the Tax
Increme�t Di�strict are hereby approved, ratified and confirmed.
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6. ; Th Mayor and City C1erk and other officers of the City
are authori ed and directed to prepare and furnish certified
copies pf a 1 proceedings and records of the Gity relating to
the Firist A endment and such other affidavits and certificates
as may ;be r�equired to show the facts relating to the legality
of the ;Firs�t Amendment as such facts appear from the books and
record� in said officers ' custody and control or as otherwise
known �o t em; and aIl such certified copies , certificates and
affida�its including any heretofore furnished, shall constitute
repres�nta ions of the City as to the truth of all statements
made b�y th City and contained therein.
7 . I�E any provision of this Resolution shall be held or
deemecY to e or shall , in fact, be inoperative or unenforceabie
as applie in any particular case in any jurisdiction or juris-
dict,i�cpns r in all jurisdictions or in aII cases because it
cor�fl�.cts with any nrovisions of any constitution or statute
or ru e o public policy, or for any other reason, such circum-
stanc�s s all not have the effect of rendering the.provision in
quest on noperative or unenforceable in any other case or
circu�nsta ce, or of rendering any other provision or provisions
herei�. co�tained invalid, inoperative or unenforceable to any
extenit wh tsoever.
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8 . n t e event any of the officers of the City authorized
to execut o uments on behalf of the City under this resolution
shall for, any, reason be unable to do so , any member of the City, -
. or any ot�er ,fficer of the City, is hereby directed and authorized
to do so on b half of the City, with the same effect as if executed
by the o£fice authorized to do so in this resolution.
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�PARTMENT/OFFICEIOOUNqL DATEINITUITED EEN S' EET NO. 4�0 1 �
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CONTACT PER80N R PHONE TMENT DIRECiOR �CITV COUNqI
Bob Geurs X3ZZ1 W,�� ATTORNEY �CITYCLERK
MUST BE N COUNCIL AOENDA BY(DA ROUTING BUDOET DIRECTOR �FIN.3 M(iT.SERVICES DIR.
�O � � MAYOR(OR ABSISTMIT)
TOTAL#�OF SIQNATURE PA (CLIP ALL LOCATION8 FOR 81GNATUR�
,4crwN Reau�o: Ci ty au hori es modi fi cati on to Joi nt Powers Agreement wi th HRA to refund Ri ver-
front Bonds by p edgi g City General Obligation takeout in 1993. Resolution will be
recommended for do t on on Novemper 13, 1990, only if referred refunding method with
Fuji Ban does n t wo out.
RECOMMENDATIONS:Approve(A)a R (R) COUNCdL COMMITTEE/RESEARCH REPORT OPTIONAL
ANALY8T PHONE NO.
_PLANNINO COMMISSION GVIL SE VICE COMMISSION
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COMMENTS:
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BUPPORT3 WHidi COUNqL OBJECTI 7
INITIATINO PROBLEM,ISSUE,OPPO NITY ,What,When,Whsre,1Nhy):
Refunding of Ri erfr nt Bonds must be concluded by 12/1/90. The resolution is needed
onl as a conti enc lan.
ADVANTAOES IF APPROVED:
Keep HRA from efaul ing on bonds.
DISADVANTAGES IF APPROVED:
Would obligate city to issue G.O. Bonds in 1993 for Riverfront to cover projected
deficits.
RECEIVED
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DISADVANTAOES IF NOT APPROVE :
If contingenc res lution is needed and not appr.oved, HRA would default on 1990 Bonds.
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TOTAL AMOUNT OF TRA ION .0 2)CG22CI ��75 M WST/REVENUE BUOGETED(CIRCLE ON� YES NO
FUNDINCi SOURCE ACTIVITY NUMBER N�A
FlNANCIAL INFORMATION:(EXP N)
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NOTE: COMPLETE DIRECTIONS ARE INCLUDED IN THE f3REEN SHEET IN3TRUC1'IONAL
MANUAL AVAILABLE IN THE PURCHA31N0 OFFlCE(PHONE NO.298-4225).
ROUTING ORDER:
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Below are preferred routings for the flve moet frequent types of dxuments: ` �
CONTRACTS (aasumes sutFw�ized COUNCIL RESOLUTION (Amend, BdgtsJ
budget exists) Accept.GraMs)
1. Outeide Agency 1. Dspartment Director
2. Initiating Department 2. Bud�st Director
8. Gty Attorney 3. qty Attorney
4. Mayor 4. MayoN/►ssiatant
5. Flnance&Mgmt Svcs. Director 5. aty Council
6. Flnance Accounting 6. Chief Accountant, Fin&Mgmt Svcs.
ADMINISTRATIVE ORDER (Budget COUNGL RESOLUTION (all others)
Revision) and ORDINANCE
1. Activity Menager 1. Initlating Depertment Director
2. Department AxouMant 2. City Attorney
3. DepartmeM Dfrector 3. MayodAssistant
4. Budget Director 4. City Council
5. Gy qerk
6. Chief Accountant, Fin 8�Mgmt Svcs.
ADMINISTRATIVE ORDERS (all others)
1. IniNaNng Department
2. Ciry Attorney
3. Mayor/AssistaM
4. City Clerk
TOTAL NUMBER OF SIGNATURE PAGES
Indicate the#of pages on which signatures are required and paperclip
�h of these pages.
ACTION REGIUESTEO
Describe what the proJect/request seeks to aa:omplfsh in either chronologi-
cal order or order of importance,whichever is most eppropriate for the
issue. Do not write complete sentenc;es. Begin each item in your list with
a verb.
RECOMMENDATIONS
Complete if the issue in question has been preaented before any body, public
or private.
SUPPORTS WHICH COUNCIL 08JECTIVE?
Indicate which Council obJective(s)your project/request supports by listing
the key v�rord(s)(HOUSIN(i, RECREATION, NEIOHBORHOODS, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT,
BUDGET, SEWER SEPARATION).(SEE COMPLETE LIST IN INSTRUCTIONAL MANUAL.)
COUNCIL COMMITTEE/RESEARCH REPORT;-;O�'TJONAL AS REQUESTED BY COUNCIL
INITIATIN(3 PROBLEM, ISSUE,OPPORTUNITY
Explain the situation or conditions thet cr�ted a rieed for your project
or request.
ADVANTA(�ES IF APPROVED
Indicate whether this is simply an annual budget procedure required by law/
charter or whether there are speciflc wa in whlch the City of Saint Paul
and its citizena will beneflt from this pro�icUactbn.
DISADVANTAGES IF APPROVED
Whet negative effects or major changes to existing or past processes might
this projecUrequest produce if it is pessed(e.g.,traffic delays, noise,
tax increases or assesaments)?To Whom?When?For how long?
DISADVANTAGES IF NOT APPROVED
What will be the negative conaequences if the promised action is not
approved? Inebility to deliver service?Continued hlgh traffic, noiae,—
accident rate?Loss of revenue7
FINANCIAL IMPACT
Although you must tailor the information you provide here to the issue you
are addressing, in general you must answer two questions: How much is it
going to cost?Who is going to pay?
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RESOLUTION -
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Referred To Committee: Date
RE�OLV D, that upon execution and delivery of a release in
full to ''the ity of Saint Paul the proper City officers are hereby
authori ed nd directed to pay out of the Tort Liability Fund
09070-0 il- 00 to Scott Lund and Farmers Insurance Company the sum �
of $2,5 0 i full settlement of their claim for damages sustained
Februar� 22 1987, as a result of an automobile accident with a
city-ow ed ehicle at or near Wabasha and Tenth Streets, Saint
Paul, M�nne ota.
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DEPARTM[NT/OFFCEK?OUNqL DATE INITIATED
�it Attorne 10/24 90 GREEN SHEET OCT 2 4�9����A�
CONTACT PERSON Q PHONE �NITIMJ DATE
�DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR �CITY WUNpL
Frank E. Villattme III 298-5475 �� ❑CITY ATfORNEY ��FIC
MUST BE ON QOUNCII AOENOA BY TE) IIOUTIN(i �8UD(9ET DIRECTOR �FIN.a MOT.SERVICE8 DIR.
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TOTAL N OF SIONATURE (CLIP ALL LO�ATIONS FOR SIGNATUWE)
ACTION REGUESTEO:
Settlement of cla' of ott Lund against the City of Saint Pau2 in the amount �f $2,500.
F�COMMENOA71oN8:APP�W a► (R) COUNCN.CO�AITTlE/RElEAIK�1 I�PORT OPTIONAL
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SUPPORTS WNICFI OOl1NqL OBJE ?
IPMTIAl1NO PFi�LEM�ISSUE� NIIY �Wh�1.VIRMn�WMr�.Why):
Plairitiff Scott L d's ar was damaged in the sum of $4,431.03 in an intersection collision
with a St. Paul s d c . 'I�vo inde�ndent witnesses corroborate the plaintiff's story that
the palice officer ente d on a red light. The officer insists that he entered on a
yellow light. Tn� ave romised this claim with a payment of $2,500.
ADVANTAQES IF APPROVED:
D18ADVANTAOEB IF APPROVED:
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D18ADVANTA(�E8 IF NOT APPROVED:
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TOTAL AMOUNT OF TRAN�A 2 SOO.00 _ CpgT/REYENUE SUOQETED(qRCLE YES NO
' FUNDING SOUi�E TOZ't L��ll t ACTIVITI/NUMSER�907n
FlNANCIAL INFORMA710N:(IXPLAII�
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NOT�: COMPLETE DIRECTIONS ARE INq.UDED IN THE OREEN SHE�T IN3TRUCTIONAL
AAANUAL AVAILABLE IN THE PURCHASINii OFFICE(PHONE NO.298-4225).
ROUTINO OROER:
Below aro prefsrred routings for the five►nost frequertt types of dxumeMs:
CONTRACTS (wasumes authorized COUNCIL RESOLUTION (Amsnd, Bd�sJ
budget sxista) Accept.(3►aMs)
1. Outside Agency 1. DspsRrt�nt Diroctor
2. In�fatinp Dsp�RmeM 2. Budgst DirscWr
3. Gty Attom�y 3. City Attornsy
4. AAayor 4. Mayoa'/Aseistant
5. Flnance&Mpmt Svcs. Dfrector 5. Clty Council
8. Flnance Accounting 6. Chisf AccouMaM, Fln�Mgmt Svcs.
•ADMINISTFlATIVE ORDER (Budgst COUNGL RESOlUT10N (all othe►s)
Rsviaion) and ORDINANCE
1. Initiating DepartmeM Director
2. Dep�rt�rnsM A�xountau�t 2• �Y�rta�Y
3. Dop�t Director 3. MayodMeistant
4. Budp�t Dirocta 4. (�ty COUncil
5. (�ty�e�k
6. Chiaf/1c�uMaM, Fin 8 Nl�mt Sv�ca.
ADMINISTRATIVE ORDERS (all others)
1. Inttiating DepertmsM
2. City Attorney
4. qt�Clsrk �t
TOTAL NUMBER OF 31QNATURE PAGiES
IndicaM the#�of pepss on which eipn�turos ere required and e�r N
ea�n a�� _.
ACTION REOUE3'TED
Dacriba wNat ths proj�Ct/requat se�ks to accomplish fn either chronolopi-
cal ordsr or order of importer�cs.whichevsr is most appropriate for the
issw. Do�ot writs oomplste ssMences. Bepin each item fn your list with
a vefi.
RECOMMENDATIONS
Complste N tM isws fn quation has besn prosent�d before any body� public
or prh►ate.
8UPPORT8 WHICH OOUNqL 08JECTIVE?
�ndicate wribh cour�ci�object+w(s)your projsctl►equest supporte br�lsang
ths key word(s)(HOU31N0, RECREATION, NEIQHBORHOODS, ECANOMIC DEVELOPMENT,
BUDt3ET,8EWER 3EPARATION).(SEE C�APLETE U3T IN INSTRUCTIONAL MANUAL.)
COUNGL COMMITTEE/RE8EARCH REPORT-OPTIONAL A3 REQUESTED BY OOUNCIL
INtT1ATIN�PROBIEM, ISBUE,OPPORTUNITY
Exptain ths skuation or oonditiona thet cr�ed a need for You►Prolect
or requsat.
ADVANTA(iES IF APPROVED
. Indicate whether thb is simply an annual budpqt procsduro roquired by law/
chartsr or wh�her thsn ue sp�ciflc ways In whbh the City of Saint Paul
and Its citizer�a will bsne�t from this projeat/acUon.
DISADVANTAGES IF APPROVED
What negaNve efMcta or mejor changes to exisdng or past pcocesaes might
' this projecUrequsa producs H ft is peased(e.g.,traiflc dslays, noiss,
tax incrsasea or asesssnanb)?To Whom4 Whsn?For hoNr bng?
DISADVANTA(3ES IF NOT APPROVED
What will be ths nspativs oonsequencss if the promised action is not
apDroved4 Inabflity M dsliwr service4 Continued high traHic, noise,
accident rats? I.ose ot rownw?
FINANCIAL IMPAGT
Although you must taila the information ycw provide here to the iasue you
. are eddrossing, in general you must answer two questions: How much is it
gdng to cost?Who ia�oinp to pay?
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IRESOLUTION �'
�ITY SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA
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Presented By
Referred T Committee: Date
RESOLVED, t at alll of the licenses issued for BAL, Inc. dba the Wabasha Bar, at 427 South
Wabasha Street, Sai Paul�, are hereby revoked, commencing upon the date of publication of this
resolution; and be it i
FURTHER R SOL�ED, that the Findings of Fact and Conclusions of I.aw contained in the
Report of the AL.J ated eptember 20, 1990, as modified by the new and amended findings of fact
and conclusions of 1 w att ched to this resolution as Exhibit A, are adopted as the written findings
and conclusions of t e Co ncil; and be it
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FURT'HER I�ESO VED, that the council finds and determines that there are substantial and
compelling reasons'for d viating from the presumptive penalties set forth in section 409.26 of the
Legislative Code, based n the findings of fact and conclusions of law adopted in this resolution,
based on the finding tha� the operation of the bar unreasonably annoys, injures and endangers the
safety, health, morals, coanfort and repose of a considerable number of inembers of the public, and
in addition, based on th� fact that the licensee had ample notice that there were problems
associated with the man�gement of the bar in August of 1989 when its license was renewed with
conditions (E�ibit 6), and in December of 1989 when its license was suspended for three days
(Exhibit 7), and failed to take effective corrective measures.
This resolut�on is'based on the record of proceedings before the Administrative Law Judge,
the briefs, documents and exhibits introduced therein, the written exceptions submitted by counsel
for both parties herein; the arguments and statements of counsel for the parties on October 30,
1990, and the delibera�ions of the Council in open session. The Findings of Fact and Conclusions of
La�v contained i� the �eport of the AI.J, as amended by the Council and attached hereto as Exhibit
A, are attached hereta and are expressly incorporated in and made a part of this resolution.
A copy of this r�solution, as adopted, shall be sent by first class mail to the Administrative
Law Judge, and to th� licenseholder and its counsel.
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Adopted by Counci t• � Date NOV � 3 �ggp Form Approved by Ci ty Attorney
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Adoption fertified � by Councit Secretary By. �,�,Q. A, �I�,�G.
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By' �`�.r�' Approved by Mayor for Submission to
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EXHIBIT A
NEW AND AM�NDE FINDINGS OF FACT ADOPTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL ON
OCTOBER 30�, 1 90, AMENDING OR SUPPLEMENTING THE FINDINGS AND
CONCLUSION� OF HE AIJ IN HIS REPORT DATED SEPTEMBER 20, 1990
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AMENDED CI�NCL SIONS OF LAW ADOPTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL ON OCTOBER
30, 1990, , AME DING THE CONCLUSIONS OF LAW CONTAINED IN THE REPORT
OF THE AL�T OF SEPTEMBER 2 0, 19 9 0
Reference� in the ALJ's Conclusions of Law to Code § 409.09 (16) in
paragraphS 4. , 7 and 8, are hereby changed to Code § 409. 08 (16) .
10. There� ar substantial and compelling reasons for the City
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40�9�.26. T ey re as follows:
l. �he icensee's refusal to acknowledge the legal
labeling requirements of the 3.2% non-intoxicating malt
liqupr h is licensed to sell.
2 . TMe li ensee's policy that employee's monitor the door
only l0- 5 minutes before closing despite the condition
of t$�e 1 cense.
3 . Tl�e 1 'censee's policy that employees only ask patrons
to l�eave all beverages inside the premises and not to
insi�t o compliance if the patron states a preference.
11. The City as � proven, by a preponderance of the evidence
that the l�,icen ed premises has been operated in such a fashion that
it create� a uisance as defined in Code § 310. 06 (b) (8) .
12 . With plrope management, the licensed premises could be operated
in a fasl�ion that both complies with the law and conforms to
community , sta dards without significantly affecting the operation
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DEP TMENT/OFFICE/COUN L DATE INITIATED
/�/�U�� �/ ,��v //-/-9� GREEN SHEET N° _ 12159
CONTACT P RS N 8 PH E INITIAUDATE INITIAUDATE
��/�� � �DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR �CITY COUNCIL
ASSIGN �CITY ATTORNEY �CITY CIERK
NUAABER FOR
MUST BE ON COUNCIL AOENDA BY. ATE) .�,,, �BUDGET OIRECTOR Q FIN.8 M(iT.SERVICES DIR.
Q . : >,s ,r,„�� , , .�. ROUTING
ORDER
Consent Agenda �11 13�9 �MAYOR(ORASSISTAN� �
TOTAL#OF SIGNATURE � GES (CLIP ALL LOCATIONS FOR SIGNATURE)
ACTION REQUESTED: L�C2II e Ad erse Action ' '
Resolution repres�nts ction taken by the Council during public hearing on 10/30/90.
MUST be on councip. age da of 11/13/90 `
RECOMMENDATIONS:Approve(A)or eject(R) PERSONAL SERVICE CONTRACTS MUST ANSWER THE FOLLOWING�UESTIONS:
_PLANNINa COMMISSION �CIVIL ERVICE COMMISSION �• Has this person/firm ever worked under a cootract for this department?
_CIB COMMITTEE YES NO ,
_STAFF � 2. Has this person�rm ever been a city employee? .
t YES NO
_DISTRIC7 COURT �. 3. Does this personMrm possess a skill not normally possessed by any current city emptoyee?
SUPPORTS WHICH COUNCIL OBJEC IVE? YES NO
Explaln all yes answers on separate sheet and attach to green sheet .
INITIATING PROBLEM,ISSUE,OPPO TUNITY( ho,What,When,Where,Why):
� License Adverse Action
I Wabasha Bar License Revocation
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ADVANTAGES IFAPPROVED:
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DISADVANTAGES IF APPROVED:
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DISADVANTAGES IF NOT APPROVED: I,
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TOTAL AMOUNT OF TRANSACT�ON S COST/REVENUE BUDGETED(CIRCLE ONE) YES NO
FUNDING SOURCE ACTIVITY NUMBER
FINANCIAL INFORMATION:(EXPLAIN) , �� ���'e�L(J l�S�)U •
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SEP 2 a 1990 .
� STATE OF MINNESOTA �
FFICE OF ADMINISTRATIVE HEARINGS ����' ��'��j���.�Y
FOR THE CITI' OF ST. PAUL �
. , . NUNIBER 62-2101-4903-6
In the mat�r of the �
�License of AL, I�c:, d/b/a FINDINGS OF FACT, CONCLUSIONS
. • 'Ihe WabasY�a Ba�. OF LAW AND RECOMMENDATION
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The above �ntitl d matter came on for hearing before Richard A.
Mosman, A�lmin' trative Law Judge, commencing at 9:00 a.m. on Friday,
September �7, 19 0, in conference room 1503, City Hall annex, St. Paul,
Minnesota. ,The earing was reconvened at 9:00 a.m. on Thursday,
September 3, 1 90, in room 316, Ramsey County Courthouse. The
record clos�d on September 13, 1990.
Phillip B. B�trne, sis�ant City Attorney, Ci�y of St. Paul, 647 City Hall, St. . .
Paul, Minne�sota 5102, appeared on behalf of the City of St. Paul. Joel �
1Vlontpetit, 1V�Iont etit, Freling & Kranz, 21 I Norwest Bank Building, 161 �
N Concord �xch ge, South St. Paul, Minnesota 55075-1139, appeared
on behatf ofl BAL� Inc., (licensee). � �.
This report �s a r cornrnendation, not a final decision. The St. Paul City
Council will'i mak the final decision. After a review of the record, it may
adopt, rejec� a� odify the Findings of Facts, Conclusions of Law and �
Recommend�.tion contained herein. Pursuant to MSA 14.61, the final .
decision of tlhe C uncil shall not be made until this report has been made
ava.ilable to �the p ies to the proceeding for a least ten (10) days. An
opportunity �rnus be afforded to each party adversely affected by this
Report to fil� exc ptions and present arguments to the Council. Parties
should cont�ct A1 ert B. Olson, City Clerk, St. Paul City Council, 386 City
Hall, St. Pa�l, Mi nesota 55102, to ascertain the procedure for filing
exceptions qr pr senting arguments. .
STATEMENT OF ISSUES
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The.issues i� thi� proceeding are whether the licenses held by BAL, Inc.
- should',�e s�ibjec to revocation or other adverse action for violation of law
and t�e con�litior�s of it's license, specifically;
. . 1. Th� oplerati n of the bar over the past twelve (12) months
mainta�ins o �permits conditions which constitute a nuisance to the
neighbprho d under � 310.06 (b) (8) of the St. Paul Legislative
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2. The oper tion of the bar over the last t�Which it's license was �
violated $he t rms and condit�ons unde
granted dn A ust 10, 1989, in C.F. #89-1080. �
3, The rriarilage ent and employees of the licensee allowed patrons to
leave th� bar 'th containers of alcoholic beverage in violation of � .
409.08 (�6) o the St. PauI Legislative Code.
Based upon the pr ceeding herein, the Administrative I-aW Judge makes
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1, BAL, Inc�. d/b/a The Wabasha Bar, is the licensens ldand Off Sale c �
On Sale L�qu r License, Class B Restaurant Lice
� Malt Liquor icense operated out of the premises located at 427
South �]VTaba a, St. Paul, Minnesota. The renewal of these licenses
was gra�nted y City CounciT Resolution dated January 31, 1990.
2. Th�t on Aug st 10, 1989, by City Council Resolutian #89-1080, .
conditions re imposed upon the license;as follows;
1. Lice�see 'll monitor the door at closing to prevent customers .
exiti�ng ' any glass or bottled beverage containers;
2. Prev�ent 1 itering on the premises; . �
3. Ca1L for olice assistance whenever any apparent illegal activity is
obs�rvcd
(City E ibit 6)
� 3. On De�emb r 8, 1989, by City�Council Re Conclus ons of La.w�e
City C�unc' adopted the Findmgs of Fact,
Recombmen ations and Memorandum of an Administrative La.w
Judge �and uspended the On Sale, Sunday and�Off Sale, Malt and
Resta�trant License of this licensee for a period of three days for
selling stro g beer for off premises consumption.
(City �xhib t 7) _
4. On April 1 , 1990, at approximately 7:45 p.m., Officer Thomas J.
(,�u�inl�n, S . Paul Police Department, Vice Unit entered the Wabasha
Bar vv�th h s partner dressed in civilian clo�e baz andffinally a tsix
{t he b�r, o r e r e d t w o (2) b e e r s e a c h a c r o s s
pack �o go " The bartender placed six loose cans of Miller Lite in a
. browr� pap r bag, for which the officers paid and left the premises.. .
5. Minn sota State Liquor Control Board Regulations relative to ;
� labeli g re uire all beer with an alcohol content of 3.2°/a to be _
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labeled a suc . Beer with alcohol content in excess of 3.2%
contains o kings indicating alcohoY content.
. 6. The beer�'the 'censee sold to the police officers on April 18, 1990,
had no arki gs indicating alcohol content. The beer was strong �
beer wi alco ol in excess of 3.2%. . �
7. A sign di play d in the premises read as follows:
"3.2 or li ht b er to go onlv." (sic)
(Respon ent's Exhibit 9)
8. TYie lice sed remises has seating for th�rty-five (35) between bar
stools d ch irs at six tables. There is no kitchen and the only
food se ed is pre-packaged. There is one door with a threshold �
that ste s do onto the sidewalk at the corner of Wabasha and
Isabelle. A b ck door is seldom used. A bar has been operated at
that loc tion ince 1908. �
9. There is no ly one employee on duty during business hours at �
the lice sed remises. � � � � �-
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10. The Tho�npso Building is directly across Wabasha Street from the �
bar and cont 'ns twenty (20) apartments on top of ground level �
corruner�ial s ace. The AAA Building is di�-ectly across Isabelle
Street frpm e Wabasha Bar and has 2 or 3 apartments on the
second �loor bove commercial space. There was no testimony
from an� wi esses who had ever resided in these apartments. �
11. The citylbus ' e runs along South Wabasha and makes stops at the
corner direct y in front of the licensed premises.� People
occasior�ally 't in front of the bar for the bus.
� 12. On July 1, 1 90, between 1:00 a.m. and 1:45 a.m. Officer ponald
. Cavanati�gh, t. Paul Police. Department, did surveillance at the .
Wabash,a B . He observed six (6) people exit the premises, some
� with be�r ca s which they drank from on the sidewalk outside the
: bar.
The offiicer as parked diagonally across the intersection from the
bar anc� couwl�d hear loud and sometimes obscene and/or hostile talk .
_ fror�i�thle pa ons. . The officer made no arrest and made no call for
a unifo�rried quad. �
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13. On Jul� 15, 1990, Officer Robert Kosloske, St. Paul Police .
� Departxpnent, did surveillance from 12:00 a.m. to 1:30 a.m. on the
WabasHa b from a parking lot diagonally across the intersection:
� He obs�rved approximately twenty (2�) people leave during that
time p�riod nd estimated 3 or 4 of the people he observed left
� � with b�er in their hand. He observed two people become involved
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in a fight ou side he b rtan O hnt �ene or make arrests.
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anized and set
14. Certain.citiz ns o the West St. Pauon Fnday an/o Saturday �
up survei l l c e o f t h e W a b a s h J B�' 1990 ,I.he survei l lance t o o k _ .
evenings in ate une - early y . -
place from � thir floor apartment in the Thompson Building
directly acr ss basha from the bar. aned on each occasnon they
took place f�om 0:00 p.m. to 1:00 a.m. .
observed from 1 ,7 people leave the Wabasha with beer cans
and!or glas�s es c ntaining beverages. On three (3) occasions they
observed p�ople rinating on the outside of the bar.
15. With one except on, all of the people doing the surveill�an�erlthan
more than �three (3) blockse�a ons we eal'rni ed to drive-by
the surveil�ance the�r obs
observatio�s of to 5 times per days ari=e de g ap ons st nt le.
Their testi�nonY was that they had P
� instances �f pe ple who appear to be intoxicated, congregating on
the side��allk in the vicinity of the Wabash�. Bar, before and after .
� closing.
lo ee by the door to monitor the
16. When the I licen ee posted an emP�e or no problems with the
patrons l�avin , they had very
patrons t�g beverages off the premises.
The olic of e licensee w�s to have employees ask patrons not to
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remove b�vera es frorn the ba�', buteestwere instruct d pe�f callys
a prefere#��e t do so. The employ nor to closing.
to monitc�r th door only 10 - 15 minutes p �
1g, The St. l�aul olice officers with P��s locat d,lbn�at dCthe calls
the area ,'in w ich the Wabasha baroblems they encountered were
were no ,mor frequent and the p of the other 5 bars
no more Idiffic lt at the Wabasha Bar than anY remises.
located lbetw en 1 block and 2 miles of this licensed p .
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on a of e proceedings herein, the Administrative Law Judge
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1, '�`he St. �Paul City Council and the Admi�nistrative Law Judge has the
jurisdic ion 'n this matter pursua C de§1310.05t and 314�6
: 340A.4 5 d St. Paul I•eg,151ative
. The Ci of t. Paul has fulf�lled all the relevant substitive and
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3, BAL, Inc., d� b/a e Wabasha Bar, is licensed by the City of St. Paul
. to serve int�xica 'ng liquors on the premises as well as non-
intoxicating malt liquors for consumption off the premises, but only
. in compliar�ce � 'th the conditions placed upon these licenses by
City Counci� Res lution effective August 10, 1989. . . .
4. The license� is f rther required to comply with all state and local �
laws which pro de in pertinent part as follows;
a No pers�n sh ll,sell intoxicating liquor for consumption at any
time or place in St. Paul without a license. Code �409.01 .
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b. Off Salei lice ses shall pernzit the licensee of such non-
intoxicating alt liquors to sell same in original packages for
consurr�ption off the premises only. Code ¢ 410.01 (c)
c. Where reas nable basis is found by the Council to impose �
reasona�ble r strictions upon a license held under this chapter,
the Council, upon issuing a new license or renewing a license or
approvi$�g th transfer of a license, may impose reasonable
conditic�ns d res�rictions pertaining the manner and
circum�tanc s in which the business shall be conducted to
prese the public peace and protect and promote good order
and s�urit . These reasonable conditions or restrictions may
perta.rnl to:
(7) Reasona le conditians limiting the operation of the licensed
prerjnises so as to insure that the licensed premises will
comlpQrt 'th the character of the district in which it is
loca�ted d/or to the end that nuisances will be prevented.
Coc�e § 10.06
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� d. Any a�t of ny clerk, bartender, agent, servant or employee in
violati�n he eof shall be deemed the act of the employer and
licensee of uch place, as well as that of said clerk, bartender, �
agent,'serv nt or employee, and every such employer and
licens�e sh 1 be liable for all the penalties herein for the
violatian of same equally with the clerk, bartender, agent,
servar�t or mployee. Code § 410.09 and § 409.14 (a)
e. "�1pn-�ntox' ating malt liquor" is any fermented malt liquor
potab�e as beverage, conta.ining not less than one half of one
'perce�nt (1 2 of 1%) alcohol by volume, nor more than three and
two-t$nths (3.2%) percent alcohol by weight. Code § 410.01 (fl
f. Into 'I afin Iiquor or liquor shall mean and include ethy� �
alcoh 1, d any distilled, fermented, spirituous, v�nous or malt
liqui of a y kind potable as a beverage, which contains an
alcoh lic ontent in excess of three and two - tenths (3.2%)
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percent th reof y weight or four (4) percent by volusne. Code §
409.02 �
g. "Off Sale" hall ean the sale of liquor in original packages in . �
retail stor s for consumption off or away from the premises .
where sol . Co e � 409.02 � � � .
"On Sale" �hall ean the sale of liquor by the glass for
consumpt�on o the premises only. Code � 409.02
h. Every lice�see s hereby made responsible for the conduct of his
place of b�.sine s and required to O$5 n order and sobriety in
such plac� of b siness. Code § 409 ( )
i. Each On $ale 1 censee shall have �=event�neo e f om le g g
reasonable an adequate steps to p P P
the premi�es 'th a bottle, can or glass containing any alcoholic
beverage, iand e failure to do �°cense SCode § 409.09 (16)e to
adverse a�tion aga�nst h�s/her
j. Couneil rr�ay t e adverse action when: �
The licen$ed b siness, or the way in which that business is
operated,�mai tains or permits conditions that unreasonably
annoy, �' ?��l'ure r endanger the Sb r o�fhmembe s of the p blic. °r
r e p o s e o f I an y o n s i d e r a b l e n u m
Code § 3110.0 (b) (8).
5. That on April 18 1990, the licensees did sell strong beer for Off
Sale consunerptio in violation of both it's On Sale and Off Sale liquor
license.
6. That the license knew or should have known that the Miller Lite
beer that h� int ntionally stocked for off premises consumption
under his o�'f sal license wa.s strong beer and labeled as such in
accordance Iwith regulations of the Minnesota Liquor Control Board.
7. The license� wa aware of the propensity of patrons of the
establishm nt t remove intoxicating and non-intoxicating
beverages om he premises and to congregate on the sidewalk
outside. thou h he was aware of the spirit of the conditions upon
his li�ense Irelat ve to this type of activity, the licensee refused to
take�effectijve st ps to prevent the removal of beverages from the
pr�mises e cept for 10 - 15 minutes before closing. Although this
is in techn cal ompliance, it violates the spirit of the condition on
his license and he more general obligation imposed by law� Code �
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licensee has ot complied with law relating to the removal of .
intoxicating everages from the premises. Code � 409.09 (16)
g. The Cit� has proven, by a preponderance of the evidence; that �the . �
licensee I was n violation of both his On Sale and Off Sale liquor
license by se ling intoxicating liquor for Off Sale consumption on �
April 1�, 19 0. In this regard, the licensee refused to
acknowledge this violation. Despite the proper packaging he
insisted� that both cans contained 3.2 beer since there were
identica'1 ing edients listed on both the Miller Lite can marked .
3.2% asi well as the one that had no markings.
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deviate from the presumptive penalties contained in Code �
409.26. The are as follows:
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1. The �icen ee's refusal to ackno�vledge the legal labeling
requ�rem nts of the 3.2% non-intoxicating malt liquor he is
licenised sell.
2. The licen ee's policy that employee's monitor the door only 10 - �
15 r.�inut s before closing despite the condition of the license.
3. The '�icen ee's policy that employees only ask patrons to leave all
beveprage inside the premises and not to insist on compliance if
the patro states a preference.
11. The Cit�'ha not proven, by a preponderance of the evidence that
the licepnsed premises has been operated in such a fashion that it
creates'� a n isance as defined in Code § 310.06 (b) (8).
12. With pxoper management, the licensed premises could be operated
in a fashion that both complies with the law and conforms to
comm�nity tandards without significantly effecting the operation
of the l�usin ss or the comfort and repose of the citizens living in
_ the conj�mu ity, as it has for many years.
Based upon �he f regoing Conclusions of Law, the Administrative Law
Judge makes the ollowing:
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IT IS RESPE TF LY RECOMMENDED that the St. Paul City Council take
the following adve se action aga.inst the licenses held by BAL, Inc. d/b/a
The WabasYi� Bar: � -
1. Revok the ff Sale Liquor License.
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2. Suspen all icenses for a period of six days. :
3. Place a con 'tion upon all remaining licenses requiring an �
employ e to.monitor the front door of the premises at all times .
� betwc�e the our of 10:00 p.m. and closing on Friday and Saturday
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4. A fine f $5 0.00. .
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Dated: S Z� ��f�a . � °�`�`
, Richard A. Mosman
' Administrative Law J�zdge �
NOTICE
Pursuant o M A § 14.62 5ubd. 1, the City Council is required to serve �
its final d cisio by first class mail upon each party and the Office of � � � .
Administ tive Hearings. 310 South 4th Avenue, Fifth Floor, -
. Minneap 's, innesota 554 T 5
Record: 'I�he p oceedings were tape recorded.
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The �L�1 found ;the i sues in this case to be synthesized do�vn to'three (3); � �
1, Whether ��there was an illegal sale of intoxicating liquor on April 18, .
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2. Whether ithe 1 censee violated the law and his license by allo�ving
intoxicating b verages to be removed from the premises, and
3, Whether ihe o erated the bar in such a fash8on that it constituted a
nuisanc� as efined in Code § 310.06 (b) O
'' � April 18, 1990, Off Sale
There is no q�.esti n that the licensee sold to the police officer
intoxicating liquor n the form of strong beer that was properly labeled as
required by thl,e Liq or Board, State of Minnesota. This sa�e �vas made for
off premises consu ptio� and is simultaneously in violation of both the
On Sale and (�ff S e liquor license helct by the licensee.
Although the bman ger heard the tesa kno vled�'eethatithere �vas any�
Liquor Contrql Bo rd, he refused to b
difference in the c ntents of the Miller Lite can that was properly
marked 3.2%I�alco ol content and the Miller Lite can that was sold from -
the bar that �arrie no labeling. His contention remained, that since the
ingredients o� the ans were identical, that the alcohol content was also
identical. This s directly an opposition to the testimony of the
Assistant Dinector Liquor Control Board, who�testified that the difference
in labeling is�exac y as prescribed by state law.
Although the� lice see claims to have terminated all Off Sale transactions,
his persistenut ins stence of the correctness of his position in opposition
to authoritat�ve t stimony indicates a resistance to change or conform his
operation to the r quirements of law. This particular issue relates
directly to h�s op ration of the Off Sale license, for which he received a 3
day suspens�on i December, 1989. It is a large portion of the reason
revocation i� rec mmended.
-The other b�sis �evocation of the Off of beveras es and dnnki g them on
relates to tl�e evi ence of the removal g
the sidewall� on he outside the premises. Several of the witnesses
testified the ob erved people taking beer cans from the premises and
some of the�n dr nk them on�the sidewalk outsia�fe ence bet,ween 3 2 b
been i m p o s i b l e o r t h e s e w i t n e s s e s t o t e l l t h e
and strong eer, it is entirely possible that at least some of these patrons
had made ff S e purchases and simply had elected to consume them in
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glasses or cans ' e iately outside the premises. This would have been � �
a legal sale by th lice see who lost, as a practical matter, a great deal of
control of the pa ons once they left the premises. He can not. be held �
totally responsib�e for the behavior of his patrons once they leave hi�.� � _ � � .
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It is ho ed that I emo of the Off Sale license and the imposition of
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other conditions will liminate the offensive behavior seen by the �
community and fitill llow the licensee to continue to profitably operate a �
business that hafs exi ted at that location for over 80 years.
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There was signi cant testimony and the licensee admitted that it is a
common prapen ity f r his patrons to want to remove beverages from the
bar. Normally o ly o e bartender is.present during business hours and
the manager's p licy s that the door be closely monitored by that
em plo yee onl y a clos'n g after the y have closed the bar service. The fact �
that those bart nder indicate no real problem getting patrons to comply
with their requ st n t to remove beverages from the premises, indicates
that with prope$� enf rcement, nearly �otal compliance by the patrons can
be obtained. If IOff S le were no longer a factor and effective monitoring
of patrons leavi�g th premises were accomplished, it is felt that at least
a portion of the acti ties arourid the bar objected to by the witnesses
would be elimir�ated. For this reason it is recomrr�ended that an �
employee monitjor th door during the busier weekend evening hours.
'� Nuisance
To a large degr�e th witnesses lined up into opposing camps. On orie
side the witnestses li ' g in the westside community claimed rowdy,
raucous and o�ensi e behavior on the sidewalk around the licensed
premises, whic the observed on occasions in which they drove by and
during the peribds o surveillance that were set up in late June - early
July, 1990. �
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� The licensee's �amp claimed eighty years worth of seniority, the practical
business need ,to ac ommodate the needs of it's patrons and protested
unnecessary clbse s rutiny by a small number of citizens who went out of
the way to find� faul and justify criticism of this one bar because of the
manager's statjed o ,position to area development that the citizens
favored. '
There are 5 b s or bar/restaurants as close as 1 block to 2 miles from
The Wabasha ar. There was credible testimony from patrolmen assigned :
� to the area for over 11 years, who monitored all of the bars in the area
and who indic ted his bar had no more frequent or severe problems �
than any of the oth r bars who were equally close to all of the residences
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Although it is po�sible that the incidents complained of may have involved .
patrons of The W�bas a Bar, the AL.J found no direct evidence linking the
management. it's� poli ies or the licensed premises to the allegations . .
contained in 1, 31, 4, , 11, 12 or 15 of the Notiee of Hearing. (Citys�
Exhibit 1). In thpse� i stances activities took glace outside and away fro� .
the licensed prer�hises as much as one block. To a large degree these
activities were b�yon the ability of tYie management to control the :
activities of peop�e, e n if some may ha�e been patrons of the bar. Some �
instances took place ter closing and all took place outside of the
licensed premis�s, o public streets or on the sidewalks without direct
evidence of conriectio to the managerrient or activities of the bar. For � .
those activities �he li ensee cannot be held responsible.
Although the lic�nse may not have necessarily encouraged loud, rowdy
or annoying actilvities by his patrons outside his premises, the way and
manner in which the bar was operated certainly did not discourage it.
The bar's front door s normally open at all times weather permitted,
� and the manag�men 's lax policy on removing beverages from the bar did
little to prevent'patr ns from doing so. � .
Having one bar�ende on the premises obviously gave the patrons liberty
to exit and mal�e th one step from the door to the sidewalk with drink
in hand. The policy of the management was to ask patrons not to remove
beverages but r�ot to insist if they objected. That sort of policy shows a
disregard for tl�b..e le al requirements of the license. It also communicates
to both the em�loye�s and the patrons a willingness to overlook what
management vuewed� as a minor and insignificant, although illegal, activity.
Although the nc`lana ement did ask a police officer to tag patrons outside
with liquor, th ma agement did little to prevent the situation form
being created � th first place.
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Requesting th � ass�stance of the police does not relieve the licensee from
his obligation o op rate his business in accordance with law and to
monitor his p tron�with a firm policy against removing beverages and
with proper e�forc ment to discourage what he is aware is illegal activity..
This manager'�S pol cy was not firm and enforcement was far too lax under
the circumstapnces of his acknowledged clientele.
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The testimonx of s�veral witnesses did contain elements that could have
established a ,�basis for a claim of nuisance, had there been more proof of
direct connec�ion etween the activities complained of and the operation
and managerrp�ent f the bar. Much of the evidence resulted from the
period of su eill ce conducted by some citizens who lived in the
. community, r�iost f whom drove 3 - 8 blocks to make their observations.
It is the opin on o the AI.J that many of the observations of apparently
intoxicated p rso s or offensive activity were not sufficiently directly
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related to the o erat' n of The Wabasha Bar to substantiate it as creating
a nuisance in ccor ance with the definition in the Code.
In it's defense, ;the 'censee offered into evidence a petition purported to . � :
contain 25 pag�s. d 380 names. The getition was stated to have been
circ�.lated at th�e bar between January and �uly, i99Q, and stated support � .
for the manage�nent and the operation of The Wabasha Bar. The ��
objection to thi� evi ence by the City Attorney was sustained by the AL.J
because it was;felt at there was insufficient foundation for the identity
of the parties, �ack f opportunity to cross exarnine and a lack of ability to
evaluate the cnedibi ity of the individual �vitnesses. There were some
addresses that,' wer clearly outside the community �vithin �vhich the bar
is located. �
The Defense c�aims 150 na�nes were irrunediate neighbors who support
the operation mf the bar and do not view it as a nuisance. It was offered as � �
direct evidenc� tha the bar did not adversely annoy a significant number
of inembers of1 the ommunity.
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The fact that I is b r has operated in this community for r�any years is
evidence that t car� continue ta exist and be an asset ta the community, if �
operated prop rly. I It is hoped that the recommendations herein will
satisfy both c�mps, allow the business to remain and satisfy the objections
of the witness�es w o took the time to do the surveillance and to testify at
the hearing. i
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� OFFICE OF ADMINISTRATIVE HEARINGS
� OAH Docket No. 62-2101-4903-6
' IN CITY COUNCIL
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In the Ma�tte of the Licenses of BAL,
Inc. , db� Th Wabasha Bar
WRITTEN EXCEPTIONS
October �0, 990
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Thei evi ence introduced at the hearing established that the
licensehiolde in this case:
1. 'vio ated sections 409.01, 409.07 and 410. 01 of the
Lec�isla ive Code by selling strong beer at off-sale, the
secyond such offense within four (4) months;
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2 . ' vio�.ated the terms and conditions that were placed
up�n hi�s license when it was renewed in August of 1989;
3 . ' vio ated section 409.08 (16) of the Legislative Code
in, fai ing to take reasonable steps to prevent persons
from 1 aving the bar with alcoholic beverages; and
4. ' thr�ugh ineffective and nonresponsible management of
th�e ba , has permitted the operation of the bar to become
a seve e nuisance to the neighborhood.
Thie Report of the ALJ in this matter agreed with the first
three points, but did not agree with the fourth, concluding that
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the op�rat'ons of the bar constituted a nuisance.
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TY�e L cense Division does not agree with the conclusion on
nuisan�e, nd contends that there is proof by a preponderance of
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the eviden e, �upported by substantial evidence in the record as
a whole, �that the operations of the Wabasha Bar constitute a
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nuisance 'n tY�e neighborhood. Consistent with that, the license
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division tron ly recommends that the City Council not follow the
recommenda�tion of the ALJ, and instead revoke all the licenses of
the Wabasha B r.
Give th t the license division agrees with all of the other
findings f f�ct and conclusions of law contained in the AIJ's
Report, i s re�quest �is that the Council adopt all of such findings
and conc usi�ns except for those which are proposed for
modificat�ion n the attached Appendix A. In addition, the Council
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contained;'� in ppendix A.
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A. CDff-S�ale Violation. In regard to the sale of strong beer
at off-s�le, lthe violation is the second in about four months.�
More impmrta ly, the licensee testified to the ALJ that he did not
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know the; dif�erence between Lite beer and 3.2 beer. It would be
sufficie#�t t�o point out in rebuttal that a licenseholder is
responsi�le or knowing the applicable laws and how they apply to
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the prodluctslhe deals in. In this particular case, however, this
- was the � sam� defense he had used in defending against the same
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resolut'on ' posing a three-day suspension; and also see Exhibit
12 in t e r cord, which is the police report concerning the most
recent ffe se.
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charge in ate 1989, as the AL7 Report from that incident makes
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clear.2 Eit�er is credibility is tarnished, or he has been more
lax liquor' lic nsees ought to be in finding out such critical
pieces of �!nfo ation as to what is and what is not strong beer and
3.2 beer.
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B. N�isalce. In several areas, there was reliable and
uncontrove�ted testimony from witnesses that was not used by the
ALJ in making his findings, which strongly goes to showing the
existence �of a nuisance.
(1) The owner of the Thompson Building,
loc ed directly across from the Wabasha Bar,
'tes ified that he had lost 17 tenants over the
�pas two and a half years due to the
' act'vities of the Wabasha Bar and its patrons.
(2) � Neighbors and community activists
tes ified to the attitude of the licensee
tow rd the operation of his bar, stating that
! he old them that he was reluctant to call the
; pol ce in on problems in the bar, that he was
� rel ctant to stop serving patrons who had had
' too much to drink, and that he would not take
, any responsibility for actions outside the bar
unl ss they helped him police the
nei hborhood. The licensee himself also
� tes ified that he had never determined what
' his responsibility was as to people leaving
the bar with drinks. Without being aware of
the ordinance requirements, he enforced a
; policy which did not interfere with a patron
ta ing a drink outside if that patron
in isted. Al1 of the witnesses' testimony
(i cluding that of police officers)
- es ablished that it was a commonplace
si uation at the Wabasha Bar for numbers of
pe sons to go in and out of the bar to the
si ewalk outside with drinks in their hands.
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incident� pa ticularly pages 4 (para. 18) and 6.
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� (3�) N ighbors and observers of the bar
(ilnclu ing police officers3) testified as to
thle r eated and consistent volume of noise,
ldud oices and altercations, fights4, public
u�tina ion, and public sex acts that were
cY�ara teristic of the bar and its patrons.
As to nuisa�nce, the AIJ relied on testimony which should not be
credited as�bei g persuasive because of a conflict of interest and
poor judgme�t o the part of the witnesses. The ALJ relied in part
upon the te�tim ny of Saint Paul Police Officers Kelly and Jenkins,
who were clalle as witnesses by the Wabasha Bar. However, the
credibilit� of their testimony is weakened by the fact that both
officers p�tro ized the Wabasha Bar when they were off-duty, and
were famil�iar and known as patrons to the licensee and his
employees. � As atrons of the bar, their testimony that the bar's
problems were o more and no less than any other bar's problems is
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subject tq a qonflict of interest that is less than professional
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for poli�e fficers, and certainly adversely affects the
credibili�y of their testimony on behalf of the Wabasha Bar. Given
that conf�.ict,� the license division asks that the Council not rely
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on their �est mony or accord their testimony any persuasive force
and that �equ st is reflected in the amended findings of fact.
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case as �$xhibits 9, 10 and 11.
4 S�e E hibit 15, part of the hearing record, which is a
� computeripri tout of fight and disturbance calls to the Bar,
showing wen -one (21) fights over the period from January 1, 1989
through ept mber 5, 1990 at the address of the Wabasha Bar. This
could in lud matters in front of the bar as well.
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The observ tions and police reportss of independent police
officers cl�earl show that this is a problem bar. Each time an
officer waS det iled to make observations of what activities take
place there�, th same pattern emerges: fights, patrons walking out
with drink�, n isy argument and disturbances. It is not a defense
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other bars; Ro ert Kessler, Acting License Inspector, testified at
the hearing th t he would bring adverse actions against any other
bars whos� st le of management and clientele created the same
problems �or t e surrounding neighborhoods.
What � has to be shown to establish a nuisance under the
Legislati�e ode is that the operation of the Wabasha Bar
unreasonalbly nnoys, injures and endangers the safety, health,
morals, comfo�t and repose of a considerable number of inembers of
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The 2nana�ement style of the licenseholder is a major component
in the causa ion of the nuisance. He does not want to get on the
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wrong sic�e of,his patrons, and therefore does not enforce the law
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against takir�g drinks outside the bar, has not complied with the
conditio�s o� the license, does not stop serving people when they
have becpme �.ntoxicated, does not call the police when he observes
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illegal ;acti�ity, and in general permits his bar's patrons to go
� in and oiut, nd gather in crowds out in front of the bar.
It ;is n t necessary to have the testimony of large numbers of
persons ,'who say that the bar is a nuisance. It is only necessary
5 Siee E hibits 9, 10 and 11.
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to have theites imony of one or more witnesses who can satisfy the
City Counc�.l t at a considerable number of people are adversely
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affected b� th nuisance. This evidence is present in the hearing
record thalt i before the City Council. In addition to the
eyewitness tes imony of the neighbors of the bar, and in addition
to the eviden e of fight and disturbance calls to the bar, the
testimonylof he Thompson Building owner by itself is a major
factor inlesta lishing the existence of the nuisance. If 17 tenants
move from �the'r apartments in a 21-unit building over a two and a
half yeaz pe iod, giving as their reason the activities and
operationiof he Wabasha Bar, that clearly leads to the conclusion
that the pper tion of the bar is intolerable and adversely affects
the safe�y, h alth, comfort and repose of considerable numbers of
people wY�o a�e members of the public.
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II. PropQsedlFindings of Fact and Conclusions of Law
The! Cou�cil is urged to adopt the new and amended findings of
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fact and;l con �lusions of law, which are attached as Appendix A. Some
of them are amendments to those of the ALJ, others are new and
reflect �the osition of the license division supporting revocation
of all lic nses of the Wabasha Bar. In each case, the new or
amended; fin�ings are based on evidence that is in the record, and
�� which w�s s Ibmitted to the ALJ at the hearing in this case. The AIJ
findingjs a d conclusions that are not specifically amended or
modifi�d i Appendix A should be adopted, and are consistent with
the ev�.den e introduced.
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The Co�inci is respectfully urged to adopt the foregoing
findings ar�d conclusions, to adopt the ALT's findings and
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conclusions ;tha are not amended above, and not to ratify or adopt
the memoran�um ttached to the AIJ's Report.
The Co�nci is also requested to revoke all the licenses held
by the licehseh lder for the premises known as The Wabasha Bar.
Submit,`ted his 16th day of October, 1990.
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! Assistant City Attorney
� Attorney for the License Inspector
� 647 City Hall
� � Saint Paul, Minnesota 55102
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Atty. Reg. No. 13961
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1. T�e licensee's refusal to acknowledge the legal
label;ing equirements of the 3.2% non-intoxicating malt
liquo� he is licensed to sell.
2. Th� li ensee's policy that employee's monitor the door
on1y ;10-1� minutes before closing despite the condition
of tHe li ense.
3. TY}e li ensee's policy that employees only ask patrons
to l�ave all beverages inside the premises and not to
insi�t o compliance if the patron states a preference.
11. The City as � proven, by a preponderance of the evidence
that the �.ice sed premises has been operated in such a fashion that
it create� a uisance as defined in Code § 310.06 (b) (8) .
12 . With �rop r management, the licensed premises could be operated
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SOUTH ST. PAUL, MINNE30TA 55075-1139
JOEL A.MONTPETIT � TELEPHONE:(612)450-9000
SHARON L.FREILING
WILLIAM J.KRANZ TELECOPIER-FAX:(812)450-9476
DAVIDA.MARLOW• OCtObBP `LB, 1990
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City Hall ar�d Courthouse
Saint �aul, �iViinnesota 55102
IN R�': �.icenses of BAL, Inc. dba Wabasha Bar
Dear Sir:
Enclo�sed f r filing please find original and seven copies of the Licensee's
Writt�en Ex eptions and Responses to the ALJ's Recommendations in the above
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n th � Memorandum attached to his Findings of Fact, Conclusions of Law and
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issues in t is m tter which he identified as follows: "(1) Whether [the licensee madeJ
an illegal ale o intoxicating liquor on April 18, 1990; (2) Whether the licensee violated
the law anid his icense by allowing intoxicating beverages to be removed from the premises;
and (3) W�ethe� [the licensee] operated the bar in such a fashion that it constituted a
nuisance �s de�ined in [Section 310.06(b)(8) of the Saint Paul Legislative Code.]"
� Wit regard to these three issues, the Administrative Law Judge concluded
that the 'City proved by a preponderance of the evidence that the licensee violated both
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on April; 18, �990. �onclusions of Law, U9. Secondly, The Administrative Law Judge
conclud�d tha� the City proved by a preponderance of the evidence that the licensee had
not comjplied I ith the law relating to removal of intoxicating beverages from the premises
and that, tho gh the licensee was in technical compliance with the condition of his permit
which �equir d him to monitor the door prior to closing, the licensee had violated "the
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Law Judge cbnclud d that the evidence offered by the City failed to substantiate that
the licensed �remis s had been operated in such a fashion that it created a nuisance as
defined by Sieetio 310.06(b)(8) of the Saint Paul Legislative Code. The Administrative
Law Judge f�rther concluded that with proper management, the licensed premises "could
be operated �in a fashion that both complies with the law and conforms to community
standards without �ignificantly affecting the operation of the business or the comfort and
repose of ttle citi�Zens living in the community, as it has for many years." Conclusions of
Law, 1(11 arld 1f 1 .
$ased on his Findings of Fact and Conclusions of Law, the Administrative Law
Judge has rjecom ended to the City Council that it revoke the licensee's off-sale liquor
license, th�t all licenses be suspended for a period of six (6) days and that a special
condition l�e pla ed on all remaining licenses requiring an employee of the licensee to
monitor the fro t door of the premises at all times between the hours of 10:00 p.m. and
closing on �rida and Saturday evenings, and finally that the licensee pay a fine of $500.00.
Thes� recommendations by the Administrative Law Judge represent a departure
from the �iresu�ptive penalties set forth by the Saint Paul Legislative Code.
The Ilicensee believes that the Administrative Law Judge's Findings of Fact
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licensee does ot take exception to those Findings of Fact.
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Thel licensee does, however, respectfully take issue with the Administrative
Law Jud�e's C�onclusions of Law that there exists substantial and compelling reasons for
the City Coun�il to deviate from the presumptive penalties. When considered as a whole,
the Ad inistr�tive Law Judge's Findings of Fact do not merit departure.
II. i Eg�eptions to Conciusions of Law.
Th� Administrative Law Judge set forth three reasons for his recommendations
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that the City Coun il depart from the presumptive penalties. Conclusions of Law, 1(10.
Th firs reason the Administrative Law Judge gave for departing from the
presumptive p nalti s was his conclusion that the licensee's general manager, Mr. Al
Hartman, ref sed o acknowledge the legal labeling requirements of the 3.2% non-
intoxicating alt li uor [which the licenseeJ is licensed to sell.
M . Ha tman did not and does not deny that there are speeial labeling
requirements for p oducts containing not more than 3.2% alcohol by weight as set forth
in Section 7�15.11 0 of the Niinnesota Code of Rules.
1V�'r. Har�tman was also aware that Chapter 410 of the Saint Paul City Legislative
Code define�d nonl-intoxicating malt liquor as any fermented malt liquor potable as a
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beverage co taini g not less than 1/2 of 1% alcohol by volume, nor more than 3.2% alcohol
by weight. Mr. artman is acutely aware of the fact that the off sale license in question
permits onl� the ale of non-intoxicating malt liquor, i.e. "3.2 beerT'.
�VIr. H rtman honestly and in good faith believed that the light beer which he
sold to Off�cer uinlan on April 18, 1990 was non-intoxicating malt liquor as defined by
the Saint �aul egislative Code despite the fact it was not so labeled.
�Mr. artman reasoned that the can of light beer sold off sale to Officer
Quinlan di�play d the same list of ingredients and the same calorie content as a can
stamped w�th th� 3.2% designation and therefore must have the same alcohol content. Yir.
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designatiop. �
; Imp rtant to remember also is the fact, that the City's ordinance and the
permit in; ques ion do not provide that the licensee eould only sell non-intoxicating malt
liquor in �COnta ners which were specially marked. The definition of non-intoxicating malt
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Mqst im ortantly, Mr. Hartman was not attempting to conduct clandestine sales
of light beer ,�or of sale consumption. He prominently displayed a sign which stated "3.2
or lite beer to go only."
Tp the extent Mr. Hartman is wrong in his assumption or analysis concerning
the alcohol Qontenit of lite beer, his mistake was not made or done in defiance or disdain
for his perm�t or the applicable law. It was an honest mistake.
The A �ministrative Law Judge lists as his second reason or factor for departing
from the pr�sump ive penalty, "the licensee's policy that employees monitor the door only
ten-fifteen minut s before closing despite the condition of the license." The licensee did,
in fact, mopitor he door at closing in compliance with the license.
�'he t ird factor which the Administrative Law Judge pointed to as a basis for
departure f�om t e Qresumptive sentence was characterized as "The licensee's policy that
employees pnly sk patrons to leave all beverages inside the premises and not to insist
on complia�ce i the patron states preference." Testimony adduced at the hearing was
that emplayees �f the licensee would instruct patrons not to remove alcoholic beverages
from the �remis�s but would not force the issue to the point of a physical confrontation
with a paitron i�tent on removing the beverage. A patron who threatens or indicates a
willingnes� to �se force to remove an alcoholic beverage from the premises is vastly
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Giv�n the harsh economic consequences of the six day suspension which is the
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beyond t�at u�duly punishes the licensee.
III. � R nse to License Division's Written Egce tions.
Th� License Division states in its written exceptions presented to the Council
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not proof by a ,prepo derance of the evidence that the operations of the licensee constituted
a nuisance. T�e te timony which the License Division points to in support of its position
was neither rieliabi nor uncontroverted as it suggests. The Administrative Law Judge
had the oppo�tunit to view the License Division's witnesses first hand during their
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testimony anyl corr�etly found no direct evidence linking the licensee's management, its
policies, or the pre�nises, to the allegations which the City claims gives rise to a nuisance.
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pointedly sta�tes t at "[t)o a large degree the witnesses lined up into opposing camps."
Those witne�ses w om the Administrative Law Judge identified as witnesses living on the
west side w�ho co plained of offensive behavior, witnessed such alleged behavior while
conducting ;"surv illance" and could not articulate in any rational way how the bar
contributed to or was in any way responsible for the alleged offensive behavior. No such
nexus exist�ed. hese are the citizens characterized in the Administrative Law Judge's
Memorandutn as �hose who went out of their way to find fault and justify criticism of
this one b,�r be�ause of the manager's stated opposition to area development that the
citizens fajvored�
In s�pport of the licensee were police officers assigned to the area for over
eleven ye�rs w�o testified concerning the licensee's efforts to operate in a reasonable
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for the t��igh v�lume of complaints levied against the bar.
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testimony� of t�►e two police officers who were called to testify by the licensee. These
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disqualify their; testi ony. Quite to the contrary, these officers were absolutely unbiased
and their testimony was perhaps the most credible, probative evidence adduced at the
hearing. ;
Thei licen ee's establishment was not operated or maintained, nor did it permit
conditions tha� unr asonably annoyed, injured, or endangered the safety, health, mores,
comfort or re�iose f any considerable number of inembers of the public. The licensee
joins the 380 I peop e who signed the petition supporting its operations as well as all
concerned cit'zens on the west side to undertake reasonable efforts in promoting the
safety, healt , mor s and comfort of the citizens of that area.
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impose the p�esum tive penalty in this matter of a six day suspension.
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South Saint Paul, Minnesota 55075-1139
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TO: Mi�neso a Appellate Courts
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FROM: C ty C erk
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Transmi.tt her with is the City of Saint Paul file in the matter
of the W sha r vs. the City of Saint Paul, File C7-90-2460.
cc: Phil'Ip By ne, Asst. City Attorney
Joel Mont tit, Attorney, Wabasha Bar
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BAI�, In . dba Wabasha Bar vs. City of Saint Paul
, EXHIBIT LIST �
1. Copy o� Sa'nt Paul City Council File 90-1964
2. Amendec� fi dings, Exhibit A, attached to C. F. 90-1964
3. Green �heet Routing Slip attached to C. F. 90-1964
4. Finding�s of Fact, Conclusions of Law and Recommendations of
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5. Writtenlexc ptions of Philip Byrne, Assistant City Attorney
� 6. Writteni, exc�ptions of Joel Montpetit, Attorney for Wabasha Bar
7. Notice �f H �aring dated 9-25-90
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recommer�dati ns
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10. List ofl�'�City's Exhibits and 12 attachments
11. City Exhiibit 15 - SPPD Incident Report
12. Resp. EX�ibi 5 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 12, 13, 14, arid 15
13 . Saint Pa�l C vil Service Commission Memorandum dated 9-13-90
14. Pages 32¢-7, North Western Reporter, 2d Series
15. Copy of eariing Subpoena - Officer Jenkins
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17. Notice of�, Hea ing dated 8-1-90
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subpoena
20. Copy of M nut s of Saint Paul City Council Meeting of 10-30-
90 pertai ing to Wabasha Bar
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BAL Inc. dba Wabasha Bar vs. City of Saint Paul
EXHIBIT LIST .
1. Co y o Saint Paul City Council File 90-1964
2. Am nde findings, Exhibit A, attached to C. F. 90-1964
3. Gr en heet Routing Slip attached to C. F. 90-1964
4. Fi din�s of Fact, Conclusions of Law and Recommendations of
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� 6. W itt exceptions of Joel Montpetit, Attorney for Wabasha Bar
7. N tic of Hearing dated 9-25-90
8. A end d Notice of Hearing dated 10-11-90
9. L tte and Original Findings of Fact, Conclusions and
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10. L'st f City's Exhibits and 12 attachments
11. C'ty xhibit 15 - SPPD Incident Report
12. sp. Exhibits 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 12, 13, 14, and 15
13 . aint Paul Civil Service Commission Memorandum dated 9-13-90
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15. opy �of Hearing Subpoena - Officer Jenkins
16. opylof Fax Letter of Joel Montpetit dated 9-11-90 requesting
ubp�ona
17. otic�e of Hearing dated 8-1-90
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�AMES SCNEIBEL
MAYOR
January 25, 1991
TO: Minn�sota Appellate Courts
245 ,MinneSota Judicial Center
25 qonsti ution Avenue
St. j Paul, NIDT 55155
FROM: Cit Cle k
Roo�i 386 City Hall
St.i Paul, l�i 55102
Transmitte� her with is the City of Saint Paul file in the matter
of the Wab�sha ar vs. the City of Saint Paul, File C7-90-2460.
cc: Phili;p By ne, Asst. City Attorney
Ear1 Gray Attorney, Wabasha Bar
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St. Paul;, Mn 55102
RE:; Wa asha Bar v. City of St. Paul et al
Dear Mr.� Olspn:
Enolosel�d please find Petition for Writ of Certiorari and
- Writ of 'Cert�iorari concerning the above captioned case.
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BAL, I c. , d/b/a ) PETITION FOR WRIT OF
The Wa ash Bar, . ) CERTIORARI
427 So th abasha Street, )
) COURT OF APPEALS NO. :
�etitioner, ) ��_�� _ ���0
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v. ) OFFICE OF ADMINISTRATIVE
) HEARINGS NO: 62-2101-4903-6 .
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City of St Paul, a ) ,
Minnes ta orporation, and )
the Ci y C uncil, consisting ) DATE OF MAILING NOTICE OF
of individ al City Council ) DECISION:
Members, T m Dimond, Roger )
Goswitz, R bert Long, Paula ) .
Maccab e, anice Rettman, )
• Dave T une and William Wilson, )
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TO: T E C�URT OF APPEALS OF THE STATE OF MINNESOTA
T e a�ove named Petitioner hereby Petitions the Court of �
Appeal fo$� a Writ of Certiorari to review a resolution of the
City C unc 1 of St. Paul to revoke Petitioner's Class C on-sale
liquor lic nse, Class B restaurant license, and off-sale malt
liquor lic�nse. ,
T is �esolution violates Petitioner's constitutional rights
to due pro�ess and equal protection. The resolution was made in
excess of �he City Council's statutory authority and
jurisd'cti�n. The resolution was not made in conformity with the
provis 'ons of Minn. Stat. §340A.415 (the liquor license
revoca ion statute) nor with the provisions of Minn. Stat. §14.57
to §14. 69 Administrative Procedure Act) . The resolution is
unwarr ntel by the evidence. The reso�ution is arbitrary and
capric 'ous A copy of the resolution, the Findings of Fact,
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Conclus 'ons and Recommendation of the Administrative law judge
and Pet'tio er's Statement of the Case are attached hereto.
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� Earl P. Gray 37072
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386 North Waba ha '
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St. Paul, MN 55102
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BAL, In . , /b/a ) WRIT OF CERTIORARI
The Wab sha Bar, � )
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P titioner, ) �� - �O ' ��Jo
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the Cit Co ncil, consisting ) DATE OF MAILING NOTICE OF .
of indi idu 1 City Council ) DECISION:
Members To Dimond, Roger )
Goswitz� Ro ert Long, Paula ) .
Maccabe�, J nice Rettman, )
• Dave Th�ine nd William Wilson, )
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TO.: Ci y C uncil of St. Paul from the State of Minnesota Office
of Admi ist ative Hearings: .. �
Yo ar hereby ordered to return to the Court of Appeals
within 0 d ys from this date the record, exhibits and proceed-
ings in thelabove-entitled matter so that this court may _review
the decisio� of the St. Paul City Council.
Co ieslof this writ and accompanying petition shall be
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City Co nci� or its attorney at:
Philip Byrn
Assist nt C'ty Attorney
647 Ci y Ha 1
St. Pa 1, 55102
(612) 298- 121
Proof f se vice shall be filed with the Clerk of the Appellate
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ST . PAUL , MN 55155
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Received 'from the Appellate Courts of the State of Minnesota , the
following orilgina files and exhibits in the above entitled matter :
District Court file ( s )
and exhibitsl ( see attached copy of the Trial Court receipt ) .
NOTE : When Iriginal and copy of transcript are forwarded by the Clerk of the
Trial �Cou t , the original goes to the Supreme Court Law Library at the
concl �sio of the case .
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CITY CLERK
TO: Mi lesota Appellate Courts
245 Minnesota Judicial Center
25 onstitution Avenue
St. Paul, MN 55155
FROM: Cit Clerk
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St. Paul, MN 55102
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Transmitted erewith is the City of Saint Paul file in the matter
of the IWabas a Bar vs. the City of Saint Paul, File C7-90-2460.
cc: Pt�ilipiByrne, Asst. City Attorney
Jqel Mc�ntpetit, Attorney, Wabasha Bar
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AL, Inc. dba Wabasha Ba'r vs. City of Saint Paul
EXHIBIT LIST
1. Cop of Saint Paul City Council File 90-1964
2. Ame ded findings, Exhibit A, attached to C. F. 90-1964
3 . Gre n S eet Routing Slip attached to C. F. 90-1964
4. Fin ing of Fact, Conclusions of Law and Recommendations of
ALJ
5. Wri ten exceptions of Philip Byrne, Assistant City Attorney
6. Wri ten exceptions of Joel Montpetit, Attorney for Wabasha Bar
7. Not ce f Hearing dated 9-25-90
8. Ame ded Notice of Hearing dated 10-11-90
9. Let er and Original Findings of Fact, Conclusions and
rec mme dations
10. Lis of City's Exhibits and 12 attachments
11. Cit Ex ibit 15 - SPPD Incident Report
12 . Res . E hibits 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 12, 13, 14, and 15
13 . Sai t P ul Civil Service Commission Memorandum dated 9-13-90
14 . Pag�es 3 6-7, North Western Reporter, 2d Series
15. Copy of Hearing Subpoena - Officer Jenkins
16. Cop of Fax Letter of Joel Montpetit dated 9-i1-90 requesting
su eon
17. No ice f Hearing dated 8-1-90
18. Co y of Hearing Subpeona - Clifford Kelly
19. Co y o letter of Joel Montpetit dated 8-30-90 requesting
su poen
20. Co y of Minutes of Saint Paul City Council Meeting of 10-30-
90 pert ining to Wabasha Bar
21. Or'ginal and one copy of hearing transcripts, Volumes I and
II
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Appellate Court File C7-90-24�
BAL Inc. dba Wabasha Bar vs. City of Saint Paul
EXHIBIT LIST
1. Co y o Saint Paul City Council File 90-1964
2. Am nde findings, Exhibit A, attached to C. F. 90-1964
3. Gr en heet Routing Slip attached to C. F. 90-1964
4. Fi din s of Fact, Conclusions of Law and Recommendations of
A
5. Wr'tte exceptions of Philip Byrne, Assistant City Attorney
6. Wr'tte exceptions of Joel Montpetit, Attorney for Wabasha Bar
7. No ice of Hearing dated 9-25-90
8. Am nde Notice of Hearing dated 10-11-90
9. Le ter and Original Findings of Fact, Conclusions and
re omm ndations
10. List o City's Exhibits and 12 attachments
11. C'ty E hibit 15 - SPPD Incident Report
12. R sp. xhibits 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 12, 13, 14, and 15
13 . S int aul Civil Service Commission Memorandum dated 9-13-90
14. P ges 326-7, North Western Reporter, 2d Series
15. C py f Hearing Subpoena - Officer Jenkins
16. C py f Fax Letter of Joel Montpetit dated 9-11-90 requesting
s bpe na
17. N tic of Hearing dated 8-1-90
18. C py f Hearing Subpeona - Clifford Kelly
19. C py f letter of Joel Montpetit dated 8-30-90 requesting
s bpo na
20. C py f Minutes of Saint Paul City Council Meeting of 10-30-
9 pe taining to Wabasha Bar
21. O igi al and one copy of hearing transcripts, Volumes I and
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i Appellate Court File C7-90-2460
AL, Inc. dba Wabasha Bar vs. City of Saint Paul
! EXHIBIT LIST
1. Cop oflSaint Paul City Council File 90-1964
2 . Ame dedlfindings, Exhibit A, attached to C. F. 90-1964
3. Gre n Sl�eet Routing Slip attached to C. F. 90-1964
4. Fin ing of Fact, Conclusions of Law and Recommendations of
ALJ ,
5. Wri tenlexceptions of Philip Byrne, Assistant City Attorney
6. Wri ten exceptions of Joel Montpetit, Attorney for Wabasha Bar
7. No ice f Hearing dated 9-25-90
8. Am ndedlNotice of Hearing dated 10-i1-90
9. Le ter and Original Findings of Fact, Conclusions and
re omme�ndations
I
10. Li t o� City's Exhibits and 12 attachments
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11. Ci y E hibit 15 - SPPD Incident Report
12. Re�p. Xhlblts 1� 2� 3� 4� 5� 6� 7� 8� 9� 12� 13� 14, and 15
13 . Sa nt aul Civil Service Commission Memorandum dated 9-13-90
14. Pa es 26-7, North Western Reporter, 2d Series
15. Co�y o Hearing Subpoena - Officer Jenkins
16. Co y o� Fax Letter of Joel Montpetit dated 9-11-90 requesting
su peo�a
17. N iceiof Hearing dated 8-1-90
- 18. C py o�f Hearing Subpeona - Clifford Kelly
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19. C py df letter of Joel Montpetit dated 8-30-90 requesting
s bpoe a
20. C py f Minutes of Saint Paul City Council Meeting of 10-30-
9 pe taining to Wabasha Bar
21. O�igir�al and one copy of hearing transcripts, Volumes I and
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Appellate Court File C7-90-2460
AL, Inc. dba Wabasha Bar vs. City of Saint Paul
EXHIBIT LIST
1. Cop of Saint Paul City Council File 90-1964
2. Ame ded findings, Exhibit A, attached to C. F. 90-1964
3. Gre n S eet Routing Slip attached to C. F. 90-1964
4. Fin ing of Fact, Conclusions of Law and Recommendations of
ALJ
5. Wri ten exceptions of Philip Byrne, Assistant City Attorney
6. Wri ten exceptions of Joel Montpetit, Attorney for Wabasha Bar
7. Not'ce f Hearing dated 9-25-90
8. Ame ded Notice of Hearing dated 10-11-90
9. Let er and Original Findings of Fact, Conclusions and
rec mme dations
10. Lis of City's Exhibits and 12 attachments
11. Cit Ex ibit 15 - SPPD Incident Report
12 . ReS . E hibits 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 12, 13, 14, arid 15
13. Sai�nt P ul Civil Service Commission Memorandum dated 9-13-90
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14. Pa es 3 6-7, North Western Reporter, 2d Series
15. Co y of Hearing Subpoena - Officer Jenkins
16. Co y of Fax Letter of Joel Montpetit dated 9-11-90 requesting
su peo a
17. No ice of Hearing dated 8-1-90
- 18. Co y o Hearing Subpeona - Clifford Kelly
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19. Co y o� letter of Joel Montpetit dated 8-30-90 requesting
su poe a
20. Co y o Minutes of Saint Paul City Council Meeting of 10-30-
90 per aining to Wabasha Bar
21. Or gin 1 and one copy of hearing transcripts, Volumes I and
II �
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RESOLUTION
CITY SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA
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Presented By
Referred T Comnittee: Date
RESOLVE , that a11 of the licenses issued for BAL, Inc. dba the Wabasha Bar, at 427 South
Wabasha Street, S 'nt P ul, are hereby revoked, commencing upon the date of publication of this
resolution; and be it
FURTHER ES LVED, that the Findings of Fact and Conclusions of Law contained in the
Report of the date September 20, 1990, as modified by the new and amended findings of fact
and conclusions o law ttached to this resolution as Exhibit A, are adopted as the written findings
and conclusions o the ouncil; and be it
FURTHER RES LVED, that the council finds and determines that there axe substantial and
compelling reaso for eviating from the presumptive penalties set forth in section 409.26 of the
Legislative Code, ased on the findings of fact and conclusions of law adopted in this resolution,
based on the find ng th t the operation of the bar unreasonably annoys, injures and endangers the
safety, health, mo als, c mfort and repose of a considerable number of inembers of the public, and
in addition, base on t e fact that the licensee had ample notice that there were problems
associated with t e ma agement of the bar in August of 1989 when its license was renewed with
conditions (Exhib t 6), nd in December of 1989 when its license was suspended for three days
(Exhibit 7), and f iled o take effective corrective measures.
This resolu ion is based on the record of proceedings before the Administrative Law Judge,
the briefs, docu nts d exhibits introduced therein, the written exceptions submitted by counsel
for both parties erein the arguments and statements of counsel for the parties on October 30,
1990, and the de iberat ons of the Council in open session. The Findings of Fact and Conclusions of
La�v contained i the eport of the AL.J, as amended by the Council and attached hereto as Exhibit
A, are attached ereto and are expressly incorporated in and made a part of this resolution.
A copy of his re olution, as adopted, shall be sent by �rst class mail to the Administrative
Law Judge, and o the licenseholder and its counsel.
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Ye s Na s Absent Requested by Department of:
Dimond �
Goswitz �-
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�OV � �nM Form Approved by City Attorney
Adopted by Counc l: Date � J�11
Adoption �ertifi b Council Secretary By: �,� A, �%I��L
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uncil
Approved by Maycr: Date /!//.; G/i') N0� � 3 `+��
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NEW AND AMF'NDED FINDINGS OF FACT ADOPTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL ON
OCTOBER 30� 1990, AMENDING OR SUPPLEMENTING THE FINDINGS AND
CONCLUSIONS,' OF THE AIJ IN HIS REPORT DATED SEPTEMBER 20, 1990
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bar and c�uld hear loud and sometimes obscene and/or hostile talk
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AMENDED CON�LUSIONS OF LAW ADOPTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL ON OCTOBER
30, 1990, AMENDING THE CONCLUSIONS OF LAW CONTAINED IN THE REPORT
OF THE ALJ C'1F SE�PTEMBER 20, 1990
References in th'e ALJ's Conclusions of Law to Code § 409. 09 (16) in
paragraphs 4 . i, 7 and 8, are hereby changed to Code § 409. 08 (16) .
10. There �re l�ubstantial and compelling reasons for the City
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1. Th�e licensee' s refusal to acknowledge the legal
label�'.ng requirements of the 3 .2% non-intoxicating malt
liquo� he is licensed to sell.
2 . Th� lic�nsee's policy that employee's monitor the door
only �0-15 minutes before closing despite the condition
of th� li�ense.
3 . Th� lic�ensee's policy that employees only ask patrons
to lelave jall beverages inside the premises and not to
insis!t onicompliance if the patron states a preference.
11. The City Y�as � proven, by a preponderance of the evidence
that the l;icen ed premises has been operated in such a fashion that
it creates a �uisance as defined in Code § 310. 06 (b) (8) .
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12 . With proper management, the licensed premises could be operated
in a fasD�ion that both complies with the law and conforms to
communityista�dards without significantly affecting the operation
of the buisiness or the comfort and repose of the citizens living
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DEP �ENT/OFFI�OUN L DATE INITIATED G R E E N S H E ET
� ��:��� ,���0 /!-/_9�j N° _ 1215 9
INITIAUDATE INITIAL/DATE
CONTACT P R N 8 PH E �DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR �CITY COUNCIL
��/� �� ASSIGN �CITY ATTORNEY �CITY CLERK
MUST BE ON COUNGIL AGENOA (DATE) ROUTINGFOp �BUDGET DIRECTOR �FIN.&MCiT.SERVICES DIR.
COl1�II� 1��5""' 1/13 9�0 ORDER �MAYOR(OR ASSISTANT) �
TOTAL#OF SIGNATUR PAGE (CLIP ALL LOCATIONS FOR SIGNATURE)
ACTION REQUESTED: L1C nse dverse Action
Resolution repr sent action taken by the Council during public hearing on 10/30/90.
MUST be on coun il a enda of 11/13/90
RECOMMENDA710NS:Approve(A or Reject ) PERSONAL SERVICE CONTRACTS MUST ANSWER THE FOLLOWING�UESTIONS:
_ PLANNINO COMMISSION _ CI IL SERVICE COMMISSION �• Has this person/firm ever worked under a contract for this department?
_CIB COMMITTEE YES NO
2. Has this personlfirm ever been a city employee?
_STAFF — YES NO
_DISTRICT COURT _ 3. Does this person�rm possess a skill not normally possessed by any current city employee?
SUPPORTS WHICH COUNCII CTIVE? YES NO
Explain all yes answera on separate sheat and attach to green sheet
INRIATINQ PROBLEM,133UE,O PORTUNI (Who,Whet,When,Where,Why):
License Adverse Action
Wabasha Bar License Revocation
ADVANTAOES IF APPROVED:
RECEIVEO
H�V41199�
�ERK
DISADVANTAGES IF APPROVED:
DISADVANTA(iE31FNOTAPPFlOV D:
TOTAL AMOUNT OF TRANS CTION COST/HEVENUE BUDGETED(CIRCLE ONE) YES NO
FUNDING SOURCE ACTIVITY NUMBER
FINANCIAL INFORMATION:(EXP IN)
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NOTE: COMPLETE DIRECTIONS ARE INCLUDED IN THE GREEN SHEET INSTRUCTIONAL
MANUAL AVAILABLE IN THE PURCHASING OFFICE(PHONE NO. 298-4225).
ROUTING ORDER:
Below are correct routings for the five most frequent rypes of documents:
CONTRACTS(assumes authorized budget exists) COUNCIL RESOLUTION (Amend Budgets/Accept. Grants)
1. Outside Agency 1. Department Director
2. Department Director 2. City Attorney
3. City Attorney 3. Budget Director
4. Mayor(for contracts over$15,000) 4. Mayor/Assistant
5. Human Rights(for contracts over$50,000) 5. City Council
6. Finance and Management Services Director 6. Chief Accountant, Finance and Management Services
7. Finance Accounting
ADMINISTRATIVE ORDERS(Budget Revision) COUNCIL RESOLUTION (all others, and Ordinances)
1. Activity Manager 1. Department Director
2. Department Accountant 2. Ciry Attorney
3. Department Director 3. Mayor Assistant
4. Budget Director 4. City Council
5. City Clerk
6. Chief Accountant, Finance and Management Services
ADMINISTRATIVE ORDERS(all others)
1. Department Director
2. City Attorney
3. Finance and Management Services Director
4. City Clerk
TOTAL NUMBER OF SiGNATURE PAGES
Indicate the#of pages on which signatures are required and paperclip or flag
each of these pages.
ACTION REQUESTED
Describe what the project/request seeks to accomplish in either chronologi-
cal arder or order of importance,whichever is most appropriate for the
issue.Do not write complete sentences. Begin each item in your list with
a verb.
RECOMMENDATIONS
Complete if the issue in question has been presented before any body,public
or private.
SUPPORTS WHICH COUNCIL OBJECTIVEI .
Indicate which Council objective(s)your project/request su}iportS by listing
the key word(s) (HOUSING, RECREATION, NEIGHBORHOODS, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT,
BUDGET, SEWER SEPARATION). (SEE COMPL�tE LIST IN INSTRUCTIONAL MANUAL.)
PERSONAL SERVICE CONTRACTS:
This information will be used to determine the city's liability for workers compensation claims,taxes and proper civil service hiring rules.
INITIATING PROBLEM, ISSUE,OPPORTUNITY
Explain the situation or conditions that created a need for your project
or request.
ADVANTAGES IF APPROVED
Indicate whether this is simply an annual budget procedure required by law/ .
charter or whether there are specific ways in which the Ciry of Saint Paul
and its citizens will benefit from this project/action.
DISADVANTAGES IF APPROVED
What negative effects or major changes to existing or past processes might
this projecUrequest produce if it is passed(e.g.,traffic delays, noise,
tax increases or assessments)?To Whom?When?For how long?
DISADVANTAGES IF NOT APPROVED
What will be the negative consequences if the promised action is not
approved?Inabiliry to deliver service?Continued high traffic, noise,
accident rate?Loss of revenue?
FINANCIAL IMPACT
Although you must tailor the information you provide here to the issue you
are addressing, in general you must answer two questions:'How much is it
going to cost?Who is going to pay?
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SEP 2�. 1990
STATE OF MINNESOTA
FFICE OF ADMINISTRATIVE HEARINGS p ��" < �' r;;�;�-.
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FOR THE CITY OF ST. PAUL
I NUNIBER 62-2101-4903-6
In the mat er of the
�License of AL, I c., d/b/a FINDINGS OF FACT, CONCLUSIONS
� 'IYze Wabas a B . OF LAW AND RECOMMENDATION
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1`he above ntitl d matter came on for hearing before Richard A.
Mosman, dmin"strative La.w Judge, commencing at 9:00 a.m. on Friday,
September 7, 1 90, in conference room 1503, City Hall annex, St. Paul,
Minnesota. The hearing was reconvened at 9:00 a.m. on Thursday,
September 13, 990, in room 316, Ramsey County Courthouse. The
record clo ed o September 13, 1990.
Phillip B. yr�e, Assis�ant City Attorney, Ci�y of St. Paul, 647 City Hall, St.
Paul, 1�Iinn so 55102, appeared on behalf of the City of St. Paul. Joel
Montpetit, Mon petit, Freling & Kranz, 21I Norwest Bank Building, 161
N Concord Exc ange, South St. Paul, Minnesota 55075-1139, appeared
on behalf f B , Inc., (licensee).
This repo is a recommendation, not a final decision. The St. Paul City
Council ' 1 ma e the final decision. After a review of the record, it may
adopt, reje t ax modify the Findings of Facts, Conclusions of Law and
Recomme dati n contained herein. Pursuant to MSA 14.61, the final �
decision o the ouncil shall not be ma.de until this report has been made
available t the parties to the proceeding for a least ten (10) days. An
opportuni mu t be afforded to each party adv�rsely affected by this
Report to �le e ceptions and present arguments to the Council. Parties
should co tact bert B. Olson, City Clerk, St. Paul City Council, 386 City
Hall, St. P ul, innesota 55102, to ascertain the procedure for filing
exception or resenting arguments.
� STATEMENT OF ISSUES
The issue in t is proceeding are whether the licenses held by BAL, Inc.
should',�e subj ct to revocation or other adverse action for violation of law
and the c ndit�ons of it's license, specifically;
1. Th� oper tion of the bar over the past twelve (12) months
mai tain or permits conditions which constitute a nuisance to the
nei bor ood under § 310.06 (b) (8) of the St. Paul Legislative
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2, The oper tion ot� the bar over the last twelve (12) months has
violated he t rms and conditio C F # g-pgp it's license was
granted n A gust 10, 1989, in
3, The ma age ent and employees of the licensee allowed patrons to
leave th bar with containers of alcoholic beverage in violation of §
409.08 (16) o the St. PauI Legislative Code.
Based upon e pr ceeding herein, the Administrative Law Judge makes
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1. BAL, In . d/ I a The Wabasha Bar, is the license holder of a Class C
On Sal Liqu�or License, Class B Restaurant License and OfaS�27
Malt Li uor �,icense operated out of the prerrnses located
South aba ha, St. Paul, Minnesota. The renewal of these licenses
was gr ted by City Council Resolution dated January 31, 1990.
2, Th�t o Au ust 10, 1989, by City Council Resolutian #89-1080,
condi ' ns ere imposed upon the license as follows;
1. Lic nsee will monitor �e ot�ed bevera e containers,customers
exi ing 'th any glass or b g
2. Pre ent oitering on the premises;
3. C for olice assistance whenever any apparent illegal activity is
ob erve .
(C' y E ibit 6)
3. On D cem er 8, 1989, by City Council Resolution #89-2222, the
City oun il adopted the Findings o�of an Admin strati e Law
Rec o e d a t i o n s an d M e m o r an d u Malt an d
Judg an suspended the On Sale, Sunday and Off Sale,
Res ur License of this licensee for a period of three days for
selli g str ng beer for off premises consumption.
(City Exh' it 7)
4. On pril 8, 1990, at approximately 7:45 Un t n.ered the Wabasha
(��}i lan, t. Paul Police Department, Vice
Bar 'th is partner dressed in civilian clothes. The officers sat at
'the ar, rdered two (2) beers each across the bar and finally a "six
pac to . The bartender placed six loose cans of Miller Lite in a
bro p per bag, for which the officers paid and left the premises.
5. Min eso Sta.te Liquor Control Bo ohole ontent of 312 oVto be
lab ling equire all beer v�nth an al
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contains o m kings indicating alcohot content.
6. The beer he 1'censee sold to the police officers on April 18, 1990,
had no rki s indicating alcohol content. The beer was strong
beer with alco ol in excess of 3.2%.
?. A sign di play d in the premises read as follows:
"3.2 or li ht b er to go onlv." (sic)
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8. The licen ed remises has seating for thi;rty-five (35) between bar
stools an cha rs at six tables. There is no kitchen and the only
food serv d is pre-packaged. There is one door with a threshold
that step do onto the sidewalk at the corner of Wabasha and
Isabelle. A ba k door is seldom used. A bar has been operated at
that loca ion ince 1908.
9. There is orm ly one employee on duty during business hours at
the licen ed remises. �
10. The Tho pso Building is directly across Vtlabasha Street from the
bar and ont 'ns twenty (20) apartments on top of ground level
commerc'al s ace. The AAA Building is di�ectly across Isabelle
Street fr m th Wabasha Bar and has 2 or 3 apartments on the
second or bove commercial space. There was no testimony
from an wi sses who had ever resided in these apartments.
11. The city u� ' e runs along South Wabasha and makes stops at the
corner d rectl in front of the licensed premises. People
occasion lly 't in front of the bar for the bus.
12. On July 1, 19 0, between 1:00 a.m. and 1:45 a.m. Officer ponald
Cavanaugh, . Paul Police Department, did surveillance at the .
Wabash�Bar He observed six (6) people exit the prerruses, some
with bee ca s which they drank from on the sidewalk outside the
bar. ; .
The offi er s arked dia onall across the intersection from the
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bar and coul hear loud and sometimes obscene and/or hostile talk
fror��th pa ns. The officer made no arrest and made no call for
a unifo ed quad.
13. On July 15, 990, Officer Robert Kosloske, St. Paul Police �
Depar ent, 'd surveillance from 12:00 a.m. to 1:30 a.m. on the
Wabash bar�from a parking lot diagonally across the intersection.
He obs ed pproximately twenty (20) people leave during that
time pe 'od nd estimated 3 or 4 of the people he observed left
with be r in heir hand. He observed two people become involved
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arrive. He mad� no efforts to intervene o
14. Certain.cit' ens bf the West St. Pa�on Fflday and�o Satu dayd set
up surveill ce �f the Wabasha Ba
evenings i late iJune - early Jul nt i990 e Thompson Building� �
place from a th rd floor apartme
directly ac oss abasha from the O a�aned on each occasion they
took place from 10:00 p.m. to 1.0
observed f om -.7 people leave the Wabasha with beer cans
and/or gl sses ,containing bevera outs de of the ba occasions they
observed eopl� urinating on the
le doin the su ne��iil h�e lthan
15. With one xce tion, lo�ks from the Wabasha bar ,
more th thre (3) b
the surve llanc , their observations were linvted to drive-by
observati ns o 2 to 5 times per adys en repeae d c ons st nt le.
Their tes 'mon was that they h
instances of p ople who appear to be intoxicated, congregating on
the side� k ' the vicinity of the Wabash� Bar, before and after
closing.
16. When th lice see posted an employee by the door to monttor the
they had very little or no problems with the
patrons 1 avin , remises.
patrons akin beverages off the P
17, The poli y of e licensee wa.s to have emplloyS t��e Patron tates I
remove ever ges from the bar, b�ute Stwere instructed specifically
a prefer n�e o do so. The emp Y nor to closing.
to monit r th door only 10 - 15 minutes p '
1 g, The St. aul olice officers �t bar was locat d,ibndicat dethe calls :
the area in w ich the Wabasha roblems they encountered were
were no! mor frequent and the p of the other 5 bars
no mor diffi ult at the Wabasha Bar than any
located etw¢en 1 block and 2 miles of this licensed premises. .
u on ll of he proceedings herein, the Administrative Law Judge
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� CONCLUSIONS OF LAW
,�` ouncil and the Administrative Law Judge has the
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jurisdi tion n this matter pursi e Cod§1310.05t and 314•06.
340A.415 d St. Paul I.eg151at
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proced ral �equirements of law and rule.
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3. BAL, Inc., d/ %a �e Wabasha Bar, is licensed by the City of St. Paul
to serve into 'cati g liquors on the premises as well as non-
intoxicating alt 1 quors for consumption off the premises, but only
in complianc �vit the conditions placed upon these licenses by
City Counci� eso ution effective August 10, 1989.
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4. The licensee is fu er required to comply with all state and local
laws which rovic�elin pertinent part as follows;
a No perso sha�ll,sell into�cating liqli�ense. Code �09 O1 t any
time or lace �n St. Paul �nthout a
b. 4ff Sale 'cen es shall permit the licensee of such non-
intoxica 'ng alt liquors to sell same in original packages for
consum tion off the premises only. Code � 410.01 (c)
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reason le r strictions upon a license held under this chapter,
the Co ncil, upon issuing a new license or renewing a license or
a p pro ' g e transfer of a license, may impose reasonable
conditi ns d res�rictions pertaining the manner and
circum tan es in which the business shall be conducted to
prese e th public peace and protect and promote good order
and s urit . These reasonable conditions or restrictions may
pertat ta:
(7) Re son ble conditions limiting the operation of the licensed
pr mise so as to insure that the licensed premises will
co pQ with the character of the district in which it is
lo ated d/or to the end that nuisances will be prevented.
C de � 410.06
� d. Any �ct o any clerk, bartender, agent, servant or employee in
viola�ion ereof shall be deemed the act of the employer and
licen ee o such place, as well as that of said clerk, bartender,
agen�t, se ant or employee, and every such employer and
lice see all be liable for all the penalties herein for the
viol tion f same equally with the clerk, bartender, agent,
se t r employee. Code § 410.09 and � 409.14 (a)
e. "l,Vp I -int xicating malt liquor" is any fermented malt liquor
pdt ble s a beverage, containing not less than one half of one
'per ent 1 /2 of 1%) alcohol by volume, nor more than three and
tw -ten s (3.2%) percent alcohol by weight. Code § 410.�1 (fl
f. Int xica 'ng iiquor or iiquor shall mean and include ethy� �
al ohol, and any distilled, fermented, spirituous, v�nous or malt
li id o any kind potable as a beverage, which contains an
al ohol c content in excess of three and two - tenths (3.2%)
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g. "Off Sale" hall mean the sale of liquor in original packages in
retail stor s fo� consumption off or away from the premises
where sol . Co�le � 409.02 �
"On Sale" hall Imean the sale of liquor by the glass for
consump 'on o the premises only. Code � 409.02
h. Every lice see �is hereby made responsible for the conduct of his
place of sin�ss and required to maintain order and sobriety in
such pla e of l�usiness. Code § 409.08 (5)
i. Each On ale �icensee shall have the responsibility of taking
reasonab e an adequate steps to prevent people from leaving
the prem ses 'th a bottle, can or glass containing any alcoholic
beverage, and the failure to do i° ense.SCode � 409.09 (16)e to
adverse ctio against his/he
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j. Council ay t�ke adverse action when:
The lice sed usiness, or the way in which that business is
operated mai tains or permits conditions that unreasonably
annoy, ' jure or endanger the safety, health, morals, comfort or
repose o any considerable number of inembers of the public.
Code � 10.06 (b) (8)
5. That on Ap il 1�, 1990, the licensees did sell strong beer for Off
Sale consu tio �n violation of both it's On Sale and Off Sale liquor
license.
6. That the li ense knew or should have known that the Miller Lite
beer that e int ntionally stocked for off premises consumption
under his ff s e license was strong beer and labeled as such in
a c c o rdanc wi re gulations of the Minnesota Liquor Control Board.
7. The licens e w aware of the propen and non ntoxicating
establish ent remove intoxicatuzg
beverages rom the premises and to congregate on the sidewalk :
outside. tho gh he was aware of the spirit of the conditions upon
his li�ens rela ive to this type of activity, the licensee refused to
take�effec ive s eps to prevent the removal of beverages from the
pr�mises xcep for 10 - 15 minutes before closing. Although this
is in tech ical ompliance, it violates the spirit of the condition on
his licens an the more general obligation imposed by law� Code �
409.09 ( 6)
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licensee ha not complied with law relating to the removal of
intoxicatin bev rages from the premises. Code � 409.09 (16)
g. The City h s pr en, by a preponderance of the evidence, that the
licensee wa� in olation of both his On Sale and Off Sale liquor
license by �ellin intoxicating liquor for Off Sale consumption on
April 18, 1 90. In this regard, the licensee refused to
acknowled e thi� violation. Despite the proper packaging he
insisted th t bo h cans contained 3.2 beer since there were
identical i gredi nts listed on both the Miller Lite can marked
3.2% as w 1 as he one that had no markings.
10. There are ubs tial and compelling reasons for the City Council to
deviate fro�n th presumptive penalties contained in Code §
409.26. ey e as follows:
1. The lic see'� refusal to ackno�vledge the legal labeling
require ent� of the 3.2% non-into�eating malt liquor he is
license to sleli.
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15 min tes �efore closing despite the condition of the license.
3. The lic nsee s policy that employees only ask patrons to leave all
bevera es in�ide the premises and not to insist on compliance if
the pat on s�tates a preference.
11. The Cit3r" as n�t proven, by a preponderance of the evidence that
the licens d pr mises has been operated in such a fashion that it
creates a uis nce as defined in Code � 310.06 (b) (8).
12. With pro�er m agement, the licensed premises could be operated
in a fashi n th t both complies with the law and conforms to
communi y s dards without significantly effecting the operation
of the bu ines or the comfort and repose of the citizens living in
the co ni , as it has for many years.
Based upon th fore I oing Conclusions of Law, the Administrative Law
Judge makes t e fol�owing:
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IT IS RFSPEC ULL RECOMMENDED that the St. Paul City Council take
the following a vers action against the licenses held by BAL, Inc. d/b/a
The Wabaslia B :
1. Revoke t e Of� Sale Liquor License.
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2. Suspend al� licer�ses for a period of� six days.
3. Place a co ditio upon all remaining licenses requiring an
employee t� mo itor the front door of the premises at all times
between th� �o r of l0:OC1 p.m. and closing on Friday and Saturday
evenings. ,
4. A fine of $ 00. .
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NOTICE
Pursuant to SA 14.62 �ubd. 1, the City Council is required to serve
its final deci ion first class mail upon each party and the Office of
Administrati e He rings. 310 South 4th Avenue, Fifth Floor,
Minneapolis, Min esota 55415
Record: The I proc edings were tape recorded.
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The A�I,J found the i�ssues in this case to be synthesized down to three (3);
1, Whether ther� was an illegal sale of intoxicatin� liquor on April 18,
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2. Whether the �icensee violated the law and his license by allo�ving
intoxica�ing k�everages to be removed from the premises, and
3. Whethe he of perated the bar in such a fashion that it constituted a
nuisanc as �.efined in Code � 310.06 (b) (8).
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There is no uesti n that the licensee sold to the police officer
intoxicating 1 quor in the form of strong beer that was properly labeled as
required by t e Li uor Board, State of Minnesota. '£his sa�e was made for
off premises ons mptior� and is simultaneously in violation of both the
On Sale and iOff S e liquor license held by the licensee.
Although th m ager heard the testimony of the Assistant Director,
Liquor Con 1 B rd, he refused to ackno�vledge that there �vas any
difference in the ontents of the Miller Lite can that was properly
marked 3.2° alc hol content and the Miller Lite can that was sold from
the bar that carr' d no labeling. His contention remained, that since the
ingredients f th cans were identical, that the alcohol content was also
identical. is s directly an opposition to the testimony of the
Assistant D ect , Liquor Control Board, who testified that the difference
in labeling i exa tly as prescribed by state law.
Although e lic nsee claims to have terminated all Off Sale transactions,
his persist t in istence of the correctness of his position in opposition
to authori tive estimony indicates a resistance to change or conform his
operation t the requirements of law. This particular issue relates
directly to is o eration of the Off Sale license, for which he received a 3
day suspe sion 'n December, 1989. It is a large portion of the reason
revocation is re�COmmended.
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The other asis�revocation of the Off Sale license is recommended,
relates to e e 'dence of the removal of beverages and drinking them on
the sidew k o the outside the premises. Several of the witnesses
testified t ey o served people taking beer cans from the premises and
some of em ank them on the sidewalk outside. Since it would have
been imp ssibl� for these witnesses to tell the difference between 3.2°,6
and stron bee , it is entirely possible that at least some of these patrons
had made Off ale purchases and simply had elected to consume them in
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glasses or cans ' ed tely outside the premises. This would have been
a legal sale by the lice see who lost, as a practical matter, a great deal of
control of the pa ons nce they left the premises. He can not be held
totally responsibl for e behavior of his patrons once they leave hi.�
premises.
It is hoped that r mov of the Off Sale license and the imposition of
other conditions ' 1 e iminate the offensive behavior seen by the
community and s ill al ow the licensee to continue to profitably operate a
business that ha exis ed at that location for over 80 years.
Removal of Beverages;
There was signifi ant estimony and the licensee admitted that it is a
common prapens ty fo his patrons to want to remove beverages from the
bar. Normally on y on bartender is.present during business hours and
the manager's po icy i that the door be closely monitored by that
employee only at closi g after they have closed the bar service. The fact
that those barte ders indicate no real problem getting patrons to comply
with their reque t not to remove beverages from the premises, indicates
that with proper enfo ement, nearly �otal compliance by the patrons can
be obtained. If ff Sa e were no longer a factor and effective monitoring
of patrons leavin the premises were accomplished, it is felt that at least
a portion of the ctivi ies around the bar objected to b� the witnesses
would be elimin ed. For this reason it is recommended that an
employee monito the door during the busier weekend evening hours.
Nuisance
To a large degre the 'tnesses lined up into opposing camps. On one
side the witness s li g in the westside community claimed rowdy,
raucous and off sive behavior on the sidewalk around the licensed
premises, which they observed on occasions in which they drove by and
during the perio s of urveillance that were set up in late June - early
July, 1990.
The licensee's c p laimed eighty years worth of seniority, the practical
business need t acc mmodate the needs of it's patrons and protested
unnecessary clo e sc tiny by a small number of citizens who went out of
the way to find ult d justify criticism of this one bar because of the
manager's state opp sition to area development that the citizens
favored.
There are 5 bar or b /restaurants as close as 1 block to 2 miles from
The Wabasha B . ere wa.s credible testimony from patrolmen assigned
to the area for er 1 years, who monitored all of the bars in the area
and who indica ed t is bar had no more frequent or severe problems
than any of the othe bars who were equally close to all of the residences
of the witnesse .
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Aithough it is po sibl that the incidents complained of may have involved
patrons of The abas a Bar, the AL.J found no direct evidence linking the
management. it' poli ies or the licensed premises ta the allegations �
contained in I, , 4, , 11, 12 or 15 of the Notiee of Hearing. (City's
Exhibit 1). In th se i stances aetivities took glace outside and away fro�n
the licensed pre "ses as much as one block. To a large degree these
activities were b yon the ability of the management to control the
activities of peop e, e n if some may have been patrons of the bar. Some
instances took p ace ter closing and all took place outside of the
licensed premis s, o public streets or on the sidewalks Evithout direct
evidence of con ectio to the management or activities of the bar. For .
those activities e li ensee cannot be held responsible.
Although the lic nse may not have necessarily encouraged loud, rowdy
or annoying acti 'ties by his patrons outside his premises, the way and
manner in whic the bar was operated certainly did not discourage it.
The bar's front oor s normally open at all times weather permitted,
and the manag men 's lax policy on removing beverages from the bar did
little to prevent patr ns from c�aing so.
Having one b ende on the premises obviously gave the patrons liberty
to exit and ma e th one step from the door to the sidewalk with drink
in hand. The p licy f the management was to ask patrons not to remove
beverages but ot to insist if they objected. That sort of policy shows a
disregard for e leg 1 requirements of the lieense. It aiso communicates
to both the em loye s and the patrons a willingness to overlook what
management vi wed as a minor and insignificant, although illegal, activity.
Although the anag ment did ask a police officer to tag patrons outside
with liquor, th ma agement did little to prevent the situation form
being created ' the first place.
Requesting the assi tance of the police does not relieve the licensee from
his obligation t op ate his business in accordance with law and to
monitor his pa ons with a firm policy against removing beverages and
with proper en orce ent to discourage what he is aware is illegal activity.
This manager poli y was not firm and enforcement was fax too lax under
the circumst ces f his acknowledged clientele.
The testimony of se eral witnesses did conta.in elements that could have
established a asis or a claim of nuisance, had there been more proof of
direct connec on b tween the activities complained of and the operation
and managem nt o the bar. Much of the evidence resulted from the
period of surv illan e conducted by some citizens who lived in the
community, ost o whom drove 3 - 8 blocks to make their observations.
It is the opini n of e AI.J that many of the observations of apparently
intoxicated pe son or offensive activity were not sufficiently directly
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related to th�ope tion of The Wabasha Bar to substantiate it as creating
a nuisance i acc rdance with the definition in the Code.
In it's defen e, th licensee offered into evidence a petition purported to
contain 25 p ges, and 380 names. The petition was stated to have been
circ�lated at the b between January a�d �Tuly, I990, and stated support .
for the mana eme t and the operation of The Wabasha Bar. The
objection to his e 'dence by the City Attorney was sustained by the ALJ
because it � s fel that there was insufficient foundation for the identity
of the partie , lac of opportunity to cross examine and a lack of ability to
evaluate the credi ility of the individual �vitnesses. There were some
addresses th t w re clearly outside the community within �vhich the bar
is located.
The Defense cla' s 150 names were immediate neighbors who support
the operatio of e bar and do not view it as a nuisance. It was offered as
direct eviden e th t the bar did not adversely annoy a significant number
of inembers f th community.
The fact tha this bar has operated in this comrriunity for rnany years is
evidence tha it c n continue to exist and be an asset ta the community, if
operated pr perl It is hoped that the recommendations herein will
satisfy both amp , allow the business to rema.in and satisfy the objections
of the witne ses ho took the time to do the surveillance and to testify at
the hearing.
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iOFFICE OF ADMINISTRATIVE HEARINGS
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Inc. , dba he �nTabasha Bar
WRITTEN EXCEPTIONS
October 3 , 19�0
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Summar of icense Division Position
The vid nce introduced at the hearing established that the
licenseho der in this case:
1. v ola ed sections 409.01, 409.07 and 410. 01 of the
Legi lat've Code by selling strong beer at off-sale, the
seco d s ch offense within four (4) months;
2 . v' ola ed the terms and conditions that were placed
upon his license when it was renewed in August of 1989;
3 . v ola ed section 409. 08 (16) of the Legislative Code
in f ili g to take reasonable steps to prevent persons
from lea ing the bar with alcoholic beverages; and
4. t rou h ineffective and nonresponsible management of
the ar, as permitted the operation of the bar to become
a se�iere nuisance to the neighborhood.
The �2epo t of the ALJ in this matter agreed with the first
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three poi ts, but did not agree with the fourth, concluding that
there had not been proof by a preponderance of the evidence that
the opera ion of the bar constituted a nuisance.
The Lice se Division does not agree with the conclusion on
nuisance, and contends that there is proof by a preponderance of
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a whole, th t t e operations of the Wabasha Bar constitute a
nuisance in the neighborhood. Consistent with that, the license
division str ngl recommends that the City Council not follow the
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recommendati ns f the ALJ, and instead revoke all the licenses of
the Wabasha ar. �
Given t�at �he license division agrees with all of the other
findings oflfact� and conclusions of law contained in the ALJ's
Report, its �equ st is that the Council adopt all of such findings
and conclu�ions except for those which are proposed for
modificatio in he attached Appendix A. In addition, the Council
is requeste to adopt certain new findings and conclusions, also
contained i App ndix A.
S ecific Points to be Made
A. Off Sal Violation. In regard to the sale of strong beer
at off-sale th violation is the second in about four months.�
More import ntly, the licensee testified to the AIJ that he did not
know the di fer �nce between Lite beer and 3 .2 beer. It would be
sufficient o oint out in rebuttal that a licenseholder is
responsible for knowing the applicable laws and how they apply to
the product he deals in. In this particular case, however, this
was the sam de ense he had used in defending against the same
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resolution mpo ing a three-day suspension; and also see Exhibit
12 in the r cor , which is the police report concerning the most
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charge in lat 19 9, as the ALJ Report from that incident makes
clear.Z Eithe hi credibility is tarnished, or he has been more
lax liquor 1 cen ees ought to be in finding out such critical
pieces of inf rma ion as to what is and what is not strong beer and
3.2 beer. '
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B. Nuis nce ' In several areas, there was reliable and
uncontroverte� te timony from witnesses that was not used by the
ALJ in makin hi findings, which strongly goes to showing the
existence of nu sance.
(1) i Th owner of the Thompson Building,
loc ted directly across from the Wabasha Bar,
tes ifi d that he had lost 17 tenants over the
pas t o and a half years due to the
act'vit es of the Wabasha Bar and its patrons.
(2) N ighbors and community activists
tes{tifi d to the attitude of the licensee
tow rd he operation of his bar, stating that
he old them that he was reluctant to call the
police 'n on problems in the bar, that he was
rel cta�t to stop serving patrons who had had
too muc to drink, and that he would not take
an res onsibility for actions outside the bar
unl ss they helped him police the
nei hbo hood. The licensee himself also
tes ifi d that he had never determined what
hi re ponsibility was as to people leaving
th ba with drinks. Without being aware of
th or inance requirements, he enforced a
policy hich did not interfere with a patron
ta ing a drink outside if that patron
in iste . All of the witnesses' testimony
(i clud'ng that of police officers)
es abli hed that it was a commonplace
si uati n at the Wabasha Bar for numbers of
pe sons to go in and out of the bar to the
si ewal outside with drinks in their hands.
Z See E hib't 8, the Report of the ALJ from the previous
incident, pa ticu arly pages 4 (para. 18) and 6.
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(3)� Neighbors and observers of the bar
(i cluding police officers3) testified as to
th repeated and consistent volume of noise,
lo d voices and altercations, fights4, public
ur�nation, and public sex acts that were
ch racteristic of the bar and its patrons.
As to nu' sanc�e, the ALJ relied on testimony which should not be
credited as b ing persuasive because of a conflict of interest and
poor jud ent on the part of the witnesses. The ALJ relied in part
upon the est�imony of Saint Paul Police Officers Kelly and Jenkins,
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who were cal ed as witnesses by the Wabasha Bar. However, the
credibil 'ty f their testimony is weakened by the fact that both
officers pat onized the Wabasha Bar when they were off-duty, and
were fam' lia and known as patrons to the licensee and his
employee . As patrons of the bar, their testimony that the bar's
problems ere no more and no less than any other bar's problems is
subject o a conflict of interest that is less than professional
for pol ce officers, and certainly adversely affects the
credibil 'ty o their testimony on behalf of the Wabasha Bar. Given
that conflict the license division asks that the Council not rely
on their test'mony or accord their testimony any persuasive force
and that requ st is reflected in the amended findings of fact.
- 3 Se th police reports which are part of the record in this
case as E hib'ts 9, 10 and 11.
4 Se Ex ibit 15, part of the hearing record, which is a
computer pri tout of fight and disturbance calls to the Bar,
showing t ent -one (21) fights over the period from January 1, 1989
through S pte er 5, 1990 at the address of the Wabasha Bar. This
could inc ude matters in front of the bar as well.
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Th observations and police reports5 of independent police
officer cl arly show that this is a problem bar. Each time an
officer was detailed to make observations of what activities take
place t ere� the same pattern emerges: fights, patrons walking out
with dr'nks � noisy argument and disturbances. It is not a defense
for the ope ation of the Wabasha Bar to point to the activities of
other b�rs. Robert Kessler, Acting License Inspector, testified at
the hea�ing that he would bring adverse actions against any other
bars w ose style of management and clientele created the same
problem fo the surrounding neighborhoods.
Wh�t h s to be shown to establish a nuisance under the
Legislai�ive Code is that the operation of the Wabasha Bar
unreaso�abl annoys, injures and endangers the safety, health,
morals, com ort and repose of a considerable number of inembers of
the pub�ic.
Th man gement style of the licenseholder is a major component
in the aus tion of the nuisance. He does not want to get on the
wrong s 'de of his patrons, and therefore does not enforce the law
against taki g drinks outside the bar, has not complied with the
conditic�ns o the license, does not stop serving people when they
have become ntoxicated, does not call the police when he observes
illegal acti{vity, and in general permits his bar's patrons to go
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in and t, �nd gather in crowds out in front of the bar.
It 's n�t necessary to have the testimony of large numbers of
persons ho �Say that the bar is a nuisance. It is only necessary
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to have the esti�mony of one or more witnesses who can satisfy the
City Council tha a considerable number of people are adversely
affected by he uisance. This evidence is present in the hearing
record that is before the City Council. In addition to the
eyewitness t sti ony of the neighbors of the bar, and in addition
to the evid nce of fight and disturbance calls to the bar, the
testimony of the Thompson Building owner by itself is a major
factor in est�abli hing the existence of the nuisance. If 17 tenants
move from th ir �1Partments in a 21-unit building over a two and a
half year p�rio , giving as their reason the activities and
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operation of the �labasha Bar, that clearly leads to the conclusion
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that the ope ation of the bar is intolerable and adversely affects
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the safety, ealt�h, comfort and repose of considerable numbers of
people who a e me�mbers of the public.
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II. Pro osed Fin in s of Fact and Conclusions of Law
The Cou cil is urged to adopt the new and amended findings of
fact and conclusilns of law, which are attached as Appendix A. Some
of them are amen ments to those of the AIJ, others are new and
reflect the osit'on of the license division supporting revocation
of all lice ses of the Wabasha Bar. In each case, the new or
amended find'ngs re based on evidence that is in the record, and
which was sub itt d to the AIJ at the hearing in this case. The ALJ
findings and con lusions that are not specifically amended or
modified in ppen ix A should be adopted, and are consistent with
the evidence intr duced.
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The oun il is respectfully urged to adopt the foregoing
findings nd conclusions, to adopt the ALJ's findings and
conclusion th t are not amended above, and not to ratify or adopt
the memora dum attached to the AIJ's Report.
The C unc 1 is also requested to revoke all the licenses held
by the lic nse older for the premises known as The Wabasha Bar.
Submi ted this 16th day of October, 1990.
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Philip . Byr
Assistant City Attorney
Attorney for the License Inspector
647 City Hall
Saint Paul, Minnesota 55102
6112-298-5121
Atty. Reg. No. 13961
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1. Th li ensee's refusal to acknowledge the legal
labeli g r quirements of the 3 .2� non-intoxicating malt
liquor he s licensed to sell.
2 . The lice see's policy that employee's monitor the door
only 1 -15 minutes before closing despite the condition
of the lic nse.
3 . The lice see's policy that employees only ask patrons
to lea e a 1 beverages inside the premises and not to
insist on ompliance if the patron states a preference.
11. The Cit ha � proven, by a preponderance of the evidence
that the lic nse premises has been operated in such a fashion that
it creates nui ance as defined in Code § 310. 06 (b) (8) .
12. With pro er anagement, the licensed premises could be operated
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181 NORTH CONCORD EXCHANGE
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JOEL A.MONTPETIT , TELEPHONE: (612)450-9000
SHARON L.FREILING
WILLIAM J.KRANZ TELECOPIER-FAX:(812)450-9476
DAVIDA.MARLOW* ' �CtOb2P 26, 1990
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Office �f Cit Clerk
City of Saint Paul
City Ha 1 and Courthouse
Saint P ul, iVi'nnesota 55102
IN RE: Li enses of BAL, Inc. dba Wabasha Bar
Dear Si :
Enclose for filing please find original and seven copies of the Licensee's
V11ritten Exce tions and Responses to the ALJ's Recommendations in the above
caption d ma ter.
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OFFICE aF ADIVIINISTRATIVE HEAftINGS
OAH Docket No. 62-2101-4903-6
IN CITY COUNCIL
In the M atter �of th Licenses of
BAL, Inc., db The Wabasha Bar LICENSEE'S WRITTEN EXCEPTIONS
AND RESPONSES TO THE ALJ'S
October 30, 1 90 RECOMMENDATIONS
I. In oduc ion.
In the emorandum attached to his Findings of Fact, Conclusions of Law and
Recommendat on, t e Administrative Law Judge concluded that there were three dispositive
issues in this matt r which he identified as follows: "(1) Whether [the licensee made]
an illegal sal of i toxicating liquor on April 18, 1990; (2) Whether the licensee violated
the law and h s lice se by allowing intoxicating beverages to be removed from the premises;
and (3) Whet er [t e licensee] operated the bar in such a fashion that it constituted a
nuisance as efine in [Section 310.06(b)(8) of the Saint Paul Legislative Code.]"
W th re ard to these three issues, the Administrative Law Judge concluded
that the Cit pro ed by a preponderance of the evidence that the licensee violated both
the on-sale a d off sale liquor license by selling intoxicating liquor for off-sale consumption
on April 18,I 1990 �onclusions of Law, 119. Secondly, The Administrative Law Judge
concluded th t the City proved by a preponderance of the evidence that the licensee had
not complied with the law relating to removal of intoxicating beverages from the premises
and that, th ugh t�e licensee was in technical compliance with the condition of his permit
which requi ed hi�n to monitor the door prior to closing, the licensee had violated "the
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spirit" of that condi ion. Conclusions of Law, �7 and �8. Thirdly, the Administrative
Law Judge con lude that the evidence offered by the City failed to substantiate that
the licensed pr mise had been operated in such a fashion that it created a nuisanee as
defined by Se tion �10.06(b)(8) of the Saint Paul Legislative C�de. The Administrative
Law Judge fur her c�ncluded that with proper management, the licensed premises "could
be operated in a fa�hion that both complies with the law and conforms to community
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standards witha�ut sig�nificantly affecting the operation of the business or the comfort and
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repose of the itize�s living in the community, as it has for many years." Conclusions of
Law, �11 and 12.
Bas d on his Findings of Fact and Conclusions of Law, the Administrative Law
Judge has reco men ed to the City Council that it revoke the licensee's off-sale liquor
license, that 1 lic nses be suspended for a period of six (6) days and that a special
condition be p aced on all remaining licenses requiring an employee of the licensee to
monitor the fr nt d or of the premises at all times between the hours of 10:00 p.m. and
closing on Frid y an Saturday evenings, and finally that the licensee pay a fine of $500.00.
The e re ommendations by the Administrative Law Judge represent a departure
from the pres mptiv penalties set forth by the Saint Paul Legislative Code.
Th licer�see believes that the Administrative Law Judge's Findings of Fact
are rationally basec� on the evidence presented at the hearing, and consequently, the
licensee does ot t ke exception to those Findings of Fact.
Th� lice see does, however, respectfully take issue with the Administrative
Law Judge's oncl ions of Law that there exists substantial and compelling reasons for
the City Coun il to deviate from the presumptive penalties. When considered as a whole,
the Administr tive aw Judge's Findings of Fact do not merit departure.
II. Bg e tio to Conclusions of Law.
Th Adm'nistrative Law Judge set forth three reasons for his recommendations
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that the City Cbunci depart from the presumptive penalties. Conclusions of Law, 1f 10.
The irst �eason the Administrative Law Judge gave for departing from the
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presumptive per�alties was his conclusion that the licensee's general manager, Mr. Al
Hartman, refus d to acknowledge the legal labeling requirements of the 3.2% non-
intoxicating malt liqu r [which the licensee] is licensed to sell.
Mr. Hart an did not and does not deny that there are special labeling
requirements fo#� pro ucts containing not more than 3.2% alcohol by weight as set forth
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Mr. artm n was also aware that Chapter 410 of the Saint Paul City Legislative
Code defined r�on-in oxicating malt liquor as any fermented malt liquor potable as a
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beverage contai�ing t less than 1/2 of 1% alcohol by volume, nor more than 3.2% alcohol
by weight. Mr Hart an is acutely aware of the fact that the off sale license in question
permits only th sal of non-intoxicating malt liquor, i.e. "3.2 beer".
Mr. Hart an honestly and in good faith believed that the light beer which he
sold to Officer Quinl n on April 18, 1990 was non-intoxicating malt liquor as defined by
the Saint Paul Legis ative Code despite the fact it was not so labeled.
Mr. Hart an reasoned that the can of light beer sold off sale to Officer
Quinlan display�ed tl�e same list of ingredients and the same calorie content as a can
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stamped with t�e 3.2�6 designation and therefore must have the same alcohol content. 1Vlr.
Hartman assum d th t the brewer/bottler chose not to stamp its light beer with the 3.2%
designation. I
Imp rtant to remember also is the fact, that the City's ordinance and the
permit in ques ion not provide that the licensee could only sell non-intoxicating malt
liquor in conta ners hich were specially marked. The definition of non-intoxicating malt
liquor, for pur oses of the permit in question, is dependent solely on alcohol content of
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of light beer fo� off �ale consumption. He prominently displayed a sign which stated "3.2
or lite beer to Igo or�ly."
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To t�e ex ent Mr. Hartman is wrong in his assumption or analysis concerning
the alcohol content f lite beer, his mistake was not made or done in defiance or disdain
for his permit �r th� applicable law. It was an honest mistake.
The�Admi�istrative Law Judge lists as his second reason or factor for departing
from the presur�ptive� penalty, "the licensee's policy that employees monitor the door only
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ten-fifteen mir�utes I�efore closing despite the condition of the license." The licensee did,
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The thirdl factor which the Administrative Law Judge pointed to as a basis for
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employees onl� ask patrons to leave all beverages inside the premises and not to insist
on compliancej if th� patron states preference." Testimony adduced at the hearing was
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that employee� of t�he licensee would instruct patrons not to remove alcoholic beverages
from the pre lises k�ut would not force the issue to the point of a physical confrontation
with a patro inter�t on removing the beverage. A patron who threatens or indicates a
willingness to use Iforce to remove an alcoholic beverage from the premises is vastly
different fro a p�tron that may state a preference to remove the beverage but agrees
not to when o rec�uested.
Gi en t}�e harsh economic consequences of the six day suspension which is the
presumptive enalt� in this case, that penalty appears more than appropriate. To go
beyond that ndul punishes the licensee.
III. 8 to License Division's Written Egce tions.
T e Lic�ense Division states in its written exceptions presented to the Council
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that it does not a ree ith the Administrative L�w Judge's conclusion that there was
not proof by a pre onder nce of the evidence that the operations of the licensee constituted
a nuisance. The estim ny which the License Division points to in support of its position
was neither relia�le nc�r uncontroverted as it suggests. The Administrative Law Judge
had the opportur�ity t view the License Division's witnesses first hand during their
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testimony and eqrrectlly found no direct evidence linking the licensee's management, its
policies, or the p�emis�s, to the allegations which the City claims gives rise to a nuisance.
In ex�lainir�g his reasoning on the nuisance issue, the Administrative Law Judge
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Those witnesses who the Administrative Law Judge identified as witnesses living on the
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west side who comp ained of offensive behavior, witnessed such alleged behavior while
conducting "su veill nce" and could not articulate in any rational way how the bar
contributed to or w in any way responsible for the alleged offensive behavior. No such
nexus existed. Th se are the citizens characterized in the Administrative Law Judge's
Memorandum s th se who went out of their way to find fault and justify criticism of
this one bar �beca�se of the manager's stated opposition to area development that the
citizens favo ed.
I supp rt of the licensee were police officers assigned to the area for over
eleven year who testified concerning the licensee's efforts to operate in a reasonable
and prudent mann r and who testified concerning those few citizens who are responsible
for the hig volu e of complaints levied against the bar.
ncre 'bly, the License Division requests that the City Council not rely on the
testimony f the two police officers who were called to testify by the licensee. These
officers t tifie that they had patronized the Wabasha Bar in an effort to get to know
and intera t mo e effectively with the persons living in the area. The License Division,
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however, su gest that these officers somehow have a conflict of interest which should
disqualify t eir t stimony. Quite to the contrary, these officers were absolutely unbiased
and their t stim ny was perhaps the most credible, probative evidence adduced at the
hearing.
he li ensee's establishment was not operated or maintained, nor did it permit
conditions hat t�nreasonably annoyed, injured, or endangered the safety, health, mores,
comfort or repo e of any considerable number of inembers of the public. The licensee
joins the 80 p ople who signed the petition supporting its operations as well as all
concerned citiz ns on the west side to undertake reasonable efforts in promoting the
safety, he lth, orals and comfort of the citizens of that area.
IV. Con usions.
For he above reasons, the licensee respectfully requests that the Council
impose th pres mptive penalty in this matter of a six day suspension.
Respectfully submitted,
MONTPETIT, FREILING & KRANZ
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Attorneys for gAL,Inc.
211 Norwest Bank Building
161 North Concord Exchange
South Saint Paul, Minnesota 55075-1139
Telephone: (612) 450-90U0
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JAMES SCHEIBEL C„�.�_��a7o FAX 612-298-5619
MAYOR ���L
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September 25, 990
Mr. Joel ontp tit
Montpetit, Fre ing & Kranz NOTICE OF COUNCIL HEARING
211 Norwest Ba k Building
161 North Conc rd Exchange '
South St. Paul MN 55075-1139
RE: Lice ses eld by BAL, Inc. , d/b/a The Wabasha Bar
Dear Mr. ntp tit:
Please t ke otice that a hearing on the report of the
Administra ive Law Judge concerning the above-mentioned
establishm nt as been scheduled for 9: 00 o'clock a.m. , October 25,
1990 in t e C'ty Council Chambers, Third Floor, Saint Paul City
Hall and R mse County Courthouse.
You have t e o portunity to file exceptions to the report with the
City Clerk at ny time during normal business hours. You may also
present o al r written argument to the Council at the Hearing.
No new e iden e will be received or testimony taken at this
hearing. he ouncil will base its decision on the record of the
proceeding b fore the Administrative Law Judge and on the
arguments mad and exceptions filed, but may depart from the
recommenda ion of such Judge as permitted by law in the exercise
of its jud en and discretion.
Very Truly You s,
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Assistant ity Attorney
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Lic nse Inspector
Lt. N ncy DiPerna
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Mr. Joel ont etit
Montpetit, Fr ling & Kranz AMENDED NOTICE OF COUNCIL HEARING
211 Norwe t B nk Building
161 North Con ord Exchange �
South St. Pau , MN 55075-1139
RE: Lice ses held by BAL, Inc. , d/b/a The Wabasha Bar
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Dear Mr. ont�etit:
At your r quelt the Council Hearing in the above referenced matter
has been esc eduled for 9:00 o'clock a.m. , October 30, 1990 in the
City Coun il hambers, Third Floor, Saint Paul City Hall and Ramsey
County Co rth�use.
Very Trul Yo rs,
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Assistant Cit Attorney
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Li ens Inspector
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Re: n th Matter of the License of BA1 , Inc dba The Wabasha Bar; OAH
ocke No. 62-2101-4903-6
Dear Mr. OIl son:
Enclolsed h rein and personnally served upon you please find the original
Findings f Fac , Conclusions and Recommendation of the Administrative Law
Judge in �he ab ve-entitled matter. I also enclose the official record
(transcripts anid tapes> and I am closing our file in this matter.
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STATE OF MINNESOTA
FFICE OF ADMINISTRATIVE HEARINGS
FOR THE CITY OF ST. PAUL
NtTMBER 62-2101-4903-6
In the ma.tt r of he
License of , I c., d/b/a FINDINGS OF FACT, CONCLUSIONS
'Ihe Wabas OF LAW AND RECOMMENDATION
The above ntitl d ma.tter came on for hearing before Richard A.
Mosman, A n strative Law Judge, commencing at 9:00 a.m. on Friday,
September , 1 , in conference room 1503, City Hall annex, St. Paul,
Minnesota. The hearing was reconvened at 9:00 a.m. on lhursday,
September 13, 1 90, in room 316, Ramsey County Courthouse. The
record clos d o September 13, 1990.
Phillip B. B e, Assistant City Attorney, City of St. Paul, 647 City Hall, St.
Paul, Minn sota 55102, appeared on behalf of the City of St. Paul. Joel
Montpetit, ont etit, Freling & Kranz, 211 Norwest Bank Building, 161
N Concord Exc ge, South St. Paul, Minnesota. 55075-1139, appeared
on behalf B , Inc., (licensee).
This repo is a ecornrnendation, not a final decision. The St. Paul City
Council 1 e the final decision. After a review of the record, it may
adopt, re�e t or odify the Findings of Facts, Conclusions of Law and
Recommen atio contained herein. Pursuant to MSA 14.61, the final
decision of the ouncil shall not be made until this report has been made
available t the arties to the proceeding for a least ten (10) days. An
opportuni mu t be afforded to each party adversely affected by this
Report to e e ceptions and present arguments to the Council. Parties
should co tact bert B. Olson, City Clerk, St. Paul City Council, 386 City
Hall, St. P ul, innesota. 55102, to ascertain the procedure for filing
exceptions or p esenting arguments.
STATEMENT OF ISSUES
'IY�e issue in is proceeding are whether the licenses held by BAL, Inc.
should be subj ct to revocation or other adverse action for violation of law
and the c nditi ns of it's license, specifically;
1. 1'he oper tion of the bar over the past twelve (12) months
' tain or permits conditions which constitute a nuisance to the
neig bor ood under � 310.06 (b) (8) of the St. Paul Legisla.tive
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2. The o erati n of the bar over the last twelve (12) months has
violate the terms and conditions under which it's license was
gra.nte on ugust 10, 1989, in C.F. #89-1080.
3. The ag ment and employees of the licensee allowed patrons to
leave e b with containers of alcoholic beverage in violation of �
409.0 (16) of the St. Paul Legislative Code.
Based upon the roceeding herein, the Administrative La.w Judge makes
the followin :
FINDINGS OF FACT
1. BAL, I c. d b/a 191e Wabasha Bar, is the license holder of a Class C
On S e Li or License, Class B Restaurant License and Off Sale
Malt iquo License operated out of the premises located at 427
South Wab sha, St. Paul, Minnesota.. Ti1e renewal of these licenses
was te by City Council Resolution da,ted January 31, 1990.
2. lhat n A ust 10, 1989, by City Council Resolution #89-1080,
condi ons ere imposed upon the license as follows;
1. Lic nse will monitor the door at closing to prevent customers
exi ' g 'th any gla.ss or bottied beverage containers;
2. Pr vent loitering on the premises;
3. for police assistance whenever any apparent illegal activity is
ob erve .
(C' E ibit 6)
3. On D em er 8, 1989, by City Council Resolution #89-2222, the
City oun il adopted the Findings of Fact, Conclusions of Law,
Reco e dations and Memorandum of an Administrative Law
Judg and suspended the On Sale, Sunda.y and Off Sale, Malt and
Res uran License of this licensee for a period of three days for
sellin str ng beer for off premises consumption.
(City Exhi it 7)
4. On ril 1 , 1990, at approximately 7:45 p.m., Officer Thomas J.
Quin an, t. Paul Police Department, Vice Unit entered the Wabasha
Bar 'th is partner dressed in civilian clothes. 1he officers sat at
the , o dered two (2) beers each across the bar and finally a "six
pack to g ." The bartender placed six loose cans of Miller Lite in a
bro pa er bag, for which the officers paid and left the premises.
5. Min so State Liquor Control Board Regulations relative to
labe g r quire all beer with an alcohol content of 3.2°�6 to be
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la.bele as uch. Beer with alcohol content in excess of 3.2°�
con ns n markings indicating alcohol content.
6. The b er e licensee sold to the police officers on April 18, 1990,
had n kings indicating alcohol content. The beer wa,s strong
beer 'th cohol in excess of 3.2°�.
7. A sig dis ayed in the premises read as follows:
"3.2 0 lig t beer to go onlv." (sic)
(Resp nde t's E�rhibit 9)
8. The li ens d premises has seating for thirty-five (35) between bar
stools and hairs at six tables. There is no kitchen and the only
food s rve is pre-packaged. There is one door with a threshold
that s eps own onto the sidewa.lk at the corner of Wabasha and
Isabel e. A back door is seldom used. A bar has been operated at
that 1 atio since 1908.
9. There 's no ly one employee on duty during business hours at
the li ense premises.
10. �e omp on Building is directly across Wabasha Street from the
bar d co tains twenty (20) apartments on top of ground level
comm rcial space. 'Ihe AAA Building is directly across Isabelle
Street rom the Wabasha Bar and has 2 or 3 apartments on the
secon floo above commercial space. There was no testimony
from y tnesses who had ever resided in these apartxnents.
11. The ci bu line runs along South Wabasha and makes stops at the
corner dire tly in front of the licensed premises. People
occasi nall wait in front of the ba.r for the bus.
12. On Ju 1, 990, between 1:00 a.m. and 1:45 a.m. Officer ponald
Cavan ugh, St. Paul Police Department, did surveillance at the
Wabas a B . He observed six (6) people exit the premises, some
with b er c ns which they drank from on the sidewalk outside the
bar.
The o 'cer s parked diagonally across the intersection from the
bar an cou d hear loud a}�d sometimes obscene and/or hostile talk
from e pa ons. The officer made no arrest and made no call for
a unifo ed squad.
13. On Jul 15, 1990, Offic�r Robert Koslo�ke, St. Pa.u� Police
Dep ent did surveillance from 12:00 a.m. to 1:�0 a.m. on the
Wabas a from a parking lot diagonally across the intersection.
He obs rve approximately twenty (20) people leave during that
time p riod d estimated 3 or 4 of the people he observed left
with b er in their hand. He observed two people become involved
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in a fi t o tside the bar and he called for a squad which did not
arrive He de no efforts to intervene or make arrests.
14. Certai cit' ns of the West St. Paul community organized and set
up su ill ce of the Wabasha Bar on Friday and/or Sa.turday
even' gs in late June - early July, 1990. The surveillance took
place rom a third floor apartment in the Thompson Building
direc y acr ss Wabasha from the bar. The surveillance generally
took lace rom 10:00 p.m, to 1:00 a.m. and on each occasion they
obse ed fr m 1 - 7 people leave the Wabasha with beer cans
and/ gla ses containing beverages. On three (3) occasions they
obse d p ople urinating on the outside of the bar.
15. With ne e ception, all of the people doing the surveillance lived
more an hree (3) blocks from the Wabasha bar and, other than
the s rveil ance, their observations were limited to drive-by
obse tio s of 2 to 5 times per day, depending upon schedule.
Their esti ony was that they had seen repeated consistent
ins ces f people who appear to be intoxicated, congregating on
the si e in the vicinity of the Wabasha Bar, before and after
closin .
16. When the 'censee posted an employee by the door to monitor the
patro s le 'ng, they had very little or no problems with the
patro s ing beverages off the premises.
17. The p licy f the licensee was to have employees ask patrons not to
remo e be erages from the bar, but not to insist if the patron sta.tes
a pre ren e to do so. Tlie employees were instructed specifically
to mo itor the door only 10 - 15 minutes prior to closfng.
18. The . Pa 1 police officers with patrol responsibilities including
the a in which the Wabasha bar was located, indicated the calls
were o m re frequent and the problems they encountered were
no m re ' icult at the Wabasha Bar than any of the other 5 bars
locat be een 1 block and 2 miles of this licensed premises.
Based upo all the proceedings herein, the Administrative Law Judge
makes the ollo 'ng;
CONCLUSIONS OF LAW
1. 1lZe S . Pa 1 City Council and the Administrative Law Judge has the
juris 'ctio in this ma.tter pursuant to Minn Sta.t � 14.50 and
340A. 15 d St. Paul �,e�,i�lative Code � 310.05 and 310.06.
2. The 'ty o St. Paul has fulf�lled all the relevant substitive and
proce ural requirements o�law and ruie.
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3. BAL, I c., /b/a Tl1e Wabasha Bar, is licensed by the City of St. Paul
to se e in xicating liquors on the premises as well as non-
intoxi atin malt liquors for consumption off the premises, but only
in co pli ce with the conditions placed upon these licenses by
City ounc Resolution effective August 10, 1989.
4. 171e li ens e is further required to comply with all state and local
la.ws hic provide in pertinent part as follows;
a No pers n shall sell intoxicating liquor for consumption at any
' e or lace in St. Paul without a license. Code §409.01
b. Of Sal licenses shall pemut the licensee of such non-
in xic 'ng malt liquors to sell same in original packages for
co s tion off the premises only. Code a 410.01 (c)
c. ere reasonable basis is found by the Council to impose
re son ble restrictions upon a license held under this chapter,
th Co ncil, upon issuing a new license or renewing a license or
a ro ' g the transfer of a license, ma.y impose reasonable
co diti ns and restrictions pertaining the manner and
ci u tances in which the business shall be conducted to
pr serv the public peace and protect and promote good order
d se urity. lhese reasonable conditions or restrictions may
p rtain to:
(7 Rea onable conditions limiting the operation of the licensed
pre ises so as to insure that the licensed premises will
com ort with the character of the district in which it is
loca ed and/or to the end that nuisa.nces will be prevented.
Cod � 410.06
d. y ac of any clerk, bartender, agent, servant or employee in
vi lati n hereof shall be deemed the act of the employer and
li ense of such place, as well as that of said clerk, bartender,
a ent, ervant or employee, and every such employer and
li ense shall be liable for all the penalties herein for the
' lati n of same equally with the clerk, bartender, agent,
s rvan or employee. Code � 410.09 and � 409.14 (a)
e. " on-i to�cating m�.lt liquor" is any fermented malt liquor
tabl as a beverage, conta.ining not less than one half of one
p rce (1/2 of 1°�) alcohol by volume, nor more than three and
t -te ths (3.2%) percent alcohol by weight. Code § 410.Q1 (�
f. I ' ti.ng �iquor or liqu.or shall mean and i�clu�e ethy�
coh , and any distilled, fermented, spirituou's,'v�ous or malt
' uid f any kind pota.ble as a beverage, which contains an
coh 'c content in excess of three and two - tenths (3.2%)
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perc nt t ereof by weight or four (4) percent by volume. Code �
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g. "Off le" shall mean the sale of liquor in original packa.ges in
reta' sto s for consumption off or away from the premises
whe e sol . Code § 409.02
"On " hall mean the sa.le of liquor by the glass for
cons p 'on on the premises only. Code � 409.02
h Eve lice see is hereby made responsible for the conduct of his
plac of b siness and required to ma.intain order and sobriety in
suc plac of business. Code � 409.08 (5)
i. Eac On ale licensee shall have the responsibility of taking
reas nabl and adequate steps to prevent people from leaving
the remi es with a bottle, can or glass containing any alcoholic
beve ge, and the failure to do so may subject such licensee to
adve e a tion aga.inst his/her license. Code § 409.09 (16)
j. Cou cil y take adverse action when:
The 'cen ed business, or the way in which that business is
ope ted, ma.intains or pernuts conditions that unreasonably
ann y, in ure or endanger the safety, health, morals, comfort or
repo e of any considerable number of inembers of the public.
Cod � 3 0.06 (b) (8)
5. That o Ap 18, 1990, the licensees did sell strong beer for Off
Sale co su tion in violation of both it's On Sale and Off Sale liquor
license
6. That e lic nsee knew or should have known that the Miller Lite
beer th t he intentionally stocked for off premises consumption
under is o sale license wa.s strong beer and labeled as such in
accord ce 'th regula.tions of the Minnesota Liquor Control Board.
7. The lic nsee was aware of the propensity of patrons of the
establi hme .t to remove intoxicating and non-intoxicating
bevera es fr m the premises and to congxegate on the sidewa.lk
outside A1 ough he was awa.re of the spirit of the conditions upon
his lice se lative to this type of activity, the licensee refused to
take e ectiv steps to prevent the removal of bevera.ges from the
premis s ex ept for 10 - 15 minutes before closing. Although this
is in te hni al compliance, it violates the spirit of the condition on
his lice se d the more general obligation imposed by law. Code §
409.09 (16)
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8. �e ity as, by a preponderance of the evidence, proven that the
lice ee as not complied with la.w relating to the removal of
into 'cati g beverages from the premises. Code § 409.09 (16)
9. 111e ity as proven, by a preponderance of the evidence, that the
lice ee s in violation of both his On Sale and Off Sale liquor
lice e b selling intoxicating liquor for Off Sale consumption on
Apri 18, 1990. In this regard, the licensee refused to
ac owle ge this violation. Despite the proper packaging he
insi ed at both cans contained 3.2 beer since there were
iden icai ngredients listed on both the Miller Lite can marked
3.2°/ as ell as the one that had no markings.
10. 'Ilze are substantial and compelling reasons for the City Council to
devi te fr m the presumptive penalties contained in Code §
409. 6. ey are as follows:
1. e li ensee's refusal to acknowledge the legal labeling
r quir ments of the 3.2°� non-intoxicating malt liquor he is
li ens d to sell.
2. e li ensee's policy that employee's monitor the door only 10 -
1 utes before closing despite the condition of the license.
3. e li nsee's policy that employees only ask patrons to leave all
b vera. es inside the premises and not to insist on compliance if
e pa on states a preference.
11. The ity as not proven, by a preponderance of the evidence that
the 'cens d premises has been operated in such a fashion that it
crea es a nuisance as defined in Code § 310.06 (b) (8).
12. Wit pro er management, the licensed premises could be operated
in a fashi n that both complies with the la.w and conforms to
co uni y standards without significantly effecting the opera.tion
of e bu iness or the comfort and repose of the citizens living in
the o unity, as it has for many years.
Based up th foregoing Conclusions of La.w, the Administrative Law
Judge ma es t e following:
RECOMMENDATION
IT IS RFS EC ULLY RECOMMENDED that the St. Paul City Council take
the follo ' g a erse action against the licenses held by BAL, Inc. d/b/a
The Wa .
1. Rev ke e Off Sale Liquor License.
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2. Susp nd 1 licenses for a period of six days.
3. Place a co dition upon all remaining licenses requiring an
empl yee monitar the front door of the premises at all times
betwe n th hour of 10:00 p.m. and closing on Friday and Saturda.y
even' gs.
4. A fin of $ 00.00.
Dated• S �� a �
Richard A. Mosma.n
Administrative Law Judge
NOTICE
Pursuan to SA § 14.62 Subd. 1, the City Council is required to serve
its final ecis on by first class mail upon each party and the Office of
Adminis tiv Hearings. 310 South 4th Avenue, Fifth Floor,
Minnea olis, Minnesota 55415
Record: e roceedings were tape recorded.
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�e AL.J fou d th issues in this case to be synthesized down to three (3);
1. Wheth r the e was an illegal sale of intoxicating liquor on April 18,
1990,
2. Wheth r the licensee violated the law and his license by allowing
intoxic ting beverages to be removed from the premises, and
3. Wheth r he perated the bar in such a fashion that it constituted a
nuisan e as defined in Code § 310.06 (b) (8).
April 18, 1990, Off Sale
There is no uest on that the licensee sold to the police officer
intoxicating 'quo in the form of strong beer that was properly labeled as
required by e Li uor Board, State of Minnesota. This sale was made for
off premises ons ption and is simultaneously in violation of both the
On Sale and Off ale liquor license held by the licensee.
Although th ma ager heard the testimony of the Assistant Director,
Liquor Con 1 Bo rd, he refused to acknowledge that there was any
difference in the ontents of the Miller Lite can that was properly
marked 3.2° alc hol content and the Miller Lite can that was sold from
the bar that carri d no labeling. His contention remained, that since the
ingredients f the cans were identical, that the alcohol content was also
identical. is s directly an opposition to the testimony of the
Assistant D' ecto , Liquor Control Board, who testified that the difference
in labeling i exa y as prescribed by state law.
Although th lice see claims to have terminated all Off Sale transactions,
his persiste t in 'stence of the correctness of his position in opposition
to authorita ive t stimony indicates a resistance to change or conform his
opera.tion to the equirements of law. This particular issue relates
directly to h s op ration of the Off Sale license, for which he received a 3
day suspen 'on i December, 1989. It is a large portion of the reason
revocation i rec mmended.
The other b is vocation of the Off Sale license is recomrnended,
relates to th evi ence of the removal of beverages and drinking them on
the sidewal on e outside the premises. Several of the witnesses
testified the obs rved people tal�ing beer cans from the premises and
some of the k them on the sidewalk outside. Since it would have
been impos ible or these witnesses to tell the difference between 3.2%
and strong eer, t is entirely possible that at least some of these patrons
had ma.de S purchases and simply had elected to consume them in
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glasses or can ' dia.tely outside the premises. 191is would have been
a legal sale by e li ensee who lost, as a practical ma.tter, a grea.t deal of
control of the tro s once they left the premises. He can not be held
totally respons le f r the behavior of his patrons once they leave his
premises.
It is hoped tha rem val of the Off Sale license and the imposition of
other conditio s wil eliminate the offensive behavior seen by the
community an still allow the licensee to continue to profitably operate a
business that as e 'sted at that location for over 80 years.
Removal of Beverages
There was sign i t testimony and the licensee admitted that it is a
common prope sity for his patrons to want to remove beverages from the
bar. Normally nly ne bartender is present during business hours and
the manager's olic is that the door be closely monitored by that
employee only t cl sing after they have closed the bar service. 11�e fact
that those bar nde s indicate no real problem getting patrons to comply
with their req est t to remove beverages from the premises, indicates
that with prop r e orcement, nearly total compliance by the patrons can
be obtained. Off ale were no longer a factor and effective monitoring
of patrons lea g e premises were accomplished, it is felt that at least
a portion of th acti 'ties around the bar objected to by the witnesses
would be elimi ated For this reason it is recommended that an
employee moni or e door during the busier weekend evening hours.
Nuisance
To a large deg e th witnesses lined up into opposing camps. On one
side the witne es 1 ving in the westside community claimed rowdy,
ra.ucous and o ensi e behavior on the sidewalk around the licensed
premises, whic the observed on occasions in which they drove by and
during the peri ds surveillance that were set up in la.te June - early
July, 1990.
The licensee's amp claimed eighty years worth of seniority, the practical
business need o ac ommodate the needs of it's patrons and protested
unnecessary cl se s rutiny by a small number of citizens who went out of
the way to find fault and justify criticism of this one bar because of the
manager's stat d o osition to area development that the citizens
favored.
There are 5 b s or ar/resta.urants as close as 1 block to 2 miles from
The Wabasha ar. ere was credible testimony from patrolmen assigned
to the area for ver 1 years, who monitored all of the bars in the area
and who indic ted t is bar had no more frequent or severe problems
than any of th oth r bars who were equally close to all of the residences
of the witness .
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Although it i pos ible that the incidents complained of may have involved
patrons of e W asha Bar, the AI.J found no direct evidence linking the
management it's olicies or the licensed premises to the allegations
contained in 1, 3, 4, 6, 11, 12 or 15 of the Notice of Hearing, (City's
Exhibit 1). I tho e instances activities took place outside and away from
the licensed re ses as much as one block. To a large degree these
activities we e be ond the ability of the management to control the
activities of eopl , even if some may have been patrons of the bar. Some
instances to k pl ce after closing and all took place outside of the
licensed pre 'ses on public streets or on the sidewalks without direct
evidence of onne tion to the management or activities of the bar. For
those activi es th licensee cannot be held responsible.
Although th lice see may not have necessarily encouraged loud, rowdy
or annoying ctivi 'es by his patrons outside his premises, the way and
ma.nner in ich e bar was operated certainly did not discourage it.
The bar's fr nt d or was normally open at all times weather permitted,
and the age ent's lax policy on removing beverages from the bar did
little to prev nt p trons from doing so.
Having one arte der on the premises obviously gave the patrons liberty
to exit and ke the one step from the door to the sidewa.lk with drink
in hand. e po cy of the ma.nagement was to ask patrons not to remove
bevera.ges b t no to insist if they objected. T11at sort of policy shows a
disregard fo the legal requirements of the license. It also communicates
to both the mpl yees and the patrons a willingness to overlook what
managemen vie ed as a minor and insignificant, although illegal, activity.
Altllough th m agement did ask a police officer to ta.g patrons outside
with liquor, the nagement did little to prevent the situation form
being creat in e first place.
Requesting he a sistance of the police does not relieve the licensee from
his obligati to perate his business in accordance with law and to
monitor his pa ns with a fum policy against removing beverages and
with proper enfo ement to discourage what he is aware is illegal activity.
This manag r's licy was not firm and enforcement was far too lax under
the circu tanc s of his acknowledged clientele.
'Tl1e testimo y of several witnesses did contain elements that could have
established ba is for a claim of nuisance, had there been more proof of
direct conn ctio between the activities complained of and the operation
and ma.nag en of the bar. Much of the evidence resulted from the
period of s rveil ce conducted by some citizens who lived in the
community, mos of whom drove 3 - 8 blocks to make their observations.
It is the op' ion f the ALJ that many of the observations of apparently
intoxicated pers ns or offensive activity were not sufficiently directly
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related to e op ration of The Wabasha Bar to substantiate it as creating
a nuisance n ac ordance with the definition in the Code.
In it's defe e, e licensee offered into evidence a petition purported to
contain 25 ges and 380 names. �e petition wa,s stated to have been
circulated a the ar between January and July, 1990, and sta.ted support
for the ma.n gem nt and the operation of The Wabasha Bar. The
objection to is vidence by the City Attorney was sustained by the AI.�J
because it s fe t that there was insufficient foundation for the identity
of the partie , lac of opportunity to cross examine and a lack of ability to
evaluate the cre bility of the individual witnesses. There were some
addresses at w re clearly outside the community within which the bar
is located.
The Defense cla' s 150 names were immediate neighbors who support
the operatio of e bar and do not view it as a nuisance. It was offered as
direct eviden e th t the bar did not adversely annoy a significant number
of inembers f th community.
The fact that this ar has operated in this community for many years is
evidence tha it c continue to exist and be an asset to the community, if
operated pro erly It is hoped that the recommendations herein will
satisfy both amp , allow the business to remain and sa.ti.sfy the objections
of the witnes es ho took the time to do the surveillance and to testify at
the hearing.
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Ronda K. Bogl , of the City of Minneapolis, County of Hennepin, in the
State of inn sota., being duly sworn, says that on September 20.
1990, sh se ed the attached Findings of Fact, Conclusions of Law &
Recomm nda on by mailing a copy thereof, enclosed in an envelope,
posta.ge rep d, and by depositing same in the post office at
Minneap lis, innesota., directed to the following at the last known
address f sai parties:
Phillip B Byr e
Assistan City Attorney
C ity of S . Pau
647 City all
St. Paul, MN 5102
Joel Mo peti
Montpet't, Fr ling & Kranz
211 No est ank Building
161 Nor h Co cord Exchange
South St Paul MN 55075-1139
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Elizabeth ISuszy ski , being first duly sworn, hereby deposes and says that on
the 12th day of October, 1990, at the City of St. Paul , county and state
aforementioned she served the attached Findings of Fact, Conclusions and
Recommend tion f the Administrative Law Judge upon Albert B. Olson, City
Clerk, St�' P u City Coun 1 , 386 City Hall , St. Paul , MN 55102 by personally
handing t� �� said report.
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JAMFS SCHEIBEL FAX 612-298-5619
MAYOR
CITY OF ST. PAUL VS. B A L, INC. , dba NABASHA BAR
ADMINISTRAT VE W HEARING
LICENSE AD RSE CTION
CITY�S EXHI IT
1. Notice of H aring with Affidavit of Service, dated August 1,
1990 ( pp• ) •
2. Saint aul egislative Code, Chapter 310.Uniform License
Proced res (7 pp. ) .
3 . Saint aul egislative Code, Chapter 409 .Intoxicating Liquor
�20 PP• ) •
4 . Saint P ul egislative Code, Chapter 410.Nonintoxicating Malt
Liquor (5 p . ) .
5. Certifi d c py of the license records of the City Of St. Paul,
Licens Division showing licenses held (3 pp. ) .
6. Certif'ed c py of CF 89-1080 placing conditions on licenses
held b B A L, Inc. (2 pp. ) .
7. Certif'ed c py of CF 89-222Zimposing a 3-day suspension of
licens s held by B A L, Inc. (2 pp. ) .
8. Certif'ed c py of Administrative Law Judge "Report" on file
with t e Ci y Clerk and incorporated into CF 89-2222.
9. Police Repo t written by Sgt. D. Cavanaugh (CN #90-093-703) ,
dated uly 2, 1990 (1 pg. ) .
10. Police Repo t written by Officer M. Finnegan (CN #90-083
-591) , dat June 16, 1990 (1 pg. ) .
11. Police Report written by Officer R. Kosloske, (CN #90-1-
2-495) , dated July 15, 1990 (1 pg. ) .
12. Police Rep rt written by Sgt. Quinlan (CN #90-061-269) ,
with a tac ed property record, dated April 18, 1990 (2 pp. ) .
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of the Lice�ise & Permit Division of the City of Saint Paul for BAL, Inc.
DBA WabashajBar t 427 South Wabasha Street.
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ity of Saint Paul, Minnesota, do hereby certify that I have
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'I s adopted by the City Council.. . . . . . . . . .August,l0, , , , , , , 19.8�. . .
land approved by the Mayor. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Au�ust,l0i , , , , , . 19.8�. . .
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of said original and the whole thereof.
WITNESS my hand and the seal of the City of Saint Paul,
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Presented By
Referred To Committee: Date
Out of Committ e �y Date
RESOLVED: Tha� application (ID #16328) for the On Sale Liquor License
� and corresponding Class III Licenses currently issued to
BAL Inc. DBA Wabasha Bar at 427 So. Wabasha, be and the same
is ereby renewed with the following conditions:
1) Licensee will monitor the door at closing to prevent
customers exiting with any glass or bottled beverage
containers;
2) Prevent loitering on the premises;
3) Call for police assistance whenever any apparent
illegal activity is observed.
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Yeas N s
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AUG 1 0 �989 Form Approved by City Attorney
Adopted by Council: � Dat
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RE OLV D, that the On Sale Liquor, Sunday On Sale Liquor,
Off Sal Ma t, Restaurant and all other licenses held by Bal Inc. ,
d/b/a W bas a Bar, for the premises located at 427 South Wabasha
in Sain Pat�,l are hereby suspended for a period of three (3)
consecu iveldays , commencing on the Second Sunday following
publica ion of this resolution.
Th' s Re olution is based on the record of the proceedings
before he A ministrative Law Judge, including the hearing on
October 24, 989, the documents and exhibits introducec3 therein.
The Rep rt o the Administrative Law Judge dated November 2, 1989,
with its Fin ings of Fact, Conclusions of Law, Recommendations and
Memoran m i hereby adopted and made part of this resolution.
This res lut on is also based upon the remarks offered by and on
behalf t e 1 censeholder during the hearing on December 6, 1989
and upon the deliberation of the Council in open session.
A c py f this resolution, as adopted, shall be sent by first-
class ma 1 t the ALJ and to Counsel for the licenseholder.
COUNCILMEN I Requested by Department of:
Yeas Dimond Nays
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Rettman �
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A ministrative Hearings for the City of Saint Paul
IF'ndings of Fact, Conclusions and Recommendation In the
M tter of the Licenses of Bal, Inc. , d/b/a The Wabasha
B r, Administrative Law Judge, with the original thereof
o file in my office.
Ilfurther certify that said copy is a true and correct
cc�py of said original and the whole thereof.
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WI NESS my hand and the seal of the City of Saint Paul,
Mi nesota this 28th day of August A.D. 1990.
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In the Ma ter o the FINDINGS OF FACT,
Licenses BAL, Inc. , CONCLUSIONS AND
d/b/a The abas a Bar RECOMMENDATION
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The bove- ntitled matter came on for hearing before Steve M. Mihatchick,
Adm9nlstra 1ve Law Judge on October 24, 1989 at 2:00 p.m. 1n Conference Room
1504B, Cit Hal Annex, St. Paul , Minnesota. Thomas J. Weyandt, Assistant C9ty
Attorney, 47 ity Hall , St. Paul , Minnesota 55102, appeared on behalf of the
City of St. Paul (City) . William J. Kranz, Esq. , Montpetit, Freiling & Kranz,
211 Norwe t B nk Building, 161 North Concord Exchange, South St. Paul ,
Minnesota 5075 1139, appeared on behalf of BAL, Inc. (Licensee) . Testifying
on behalf f th City was Police Sergeant Andrew Gohl . Allen Hartman testified
on behalf f Li ensee. The record closed upon ad�ournment of the hearing.
This epor is a recommendation, not a final decision. The City Council
will make he f nal decision after a review of the record and after providing
an opportu ity o the Licensee to present oral or written arguments to it. The
Council m y ccept, reject or modify the Findings, Conclusions and '
Recormnenda ions contained herein.
Based upon the record herein, the Administrative Law Judge makes the
following:
FINDINGS OF FACT
1 . T e no 9 ce of heari ng i n thi s matter was duly served upon Loretta F.
Soland, Pr sident and owner of Licensee by letter dated September 28, 1989.
The notice stat d the place, date and time of the hearing and stated the
grounds upo whi h adverse action was being sought as follows:
0 Aug st 23, 1989, you or your employees permitted the
s le o strong beer for off-sale in violation of your Off
S le M lt (3.2) license. Such sales are in violation of
o dina ce (Section 410.01(c) of the St. Paul Legislative
C de) , and furnish a basis for adverse action against all
1 cens s hetd pursuant to Section 310.06<6) of said
C de.
2. License holds four licenses from the City, (1 ) on-sale lntoxicating
liquor, (2> Sund y, on-sale intoxicat9ng liquor, (3) off-sale nonintoxicating
� malt liquor and (4> restaurant. In connection with the latest renewal , on
August 10, 989, the City Council imposed three conditions upon the licenses.
It required the icensee to (1) monitor the door of its premises at closing to
prevent cus omer from leaving with glasses or bottles of beverages, (2)
prevent loi ering on the premises and (3) call for police assistance whenever
any apparent ille al activity was observed.
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3. M nn. �tat. § 340A.415 provides, \in pertinent part:
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T e au hority issuing or approving any retail license or
p rmit under this chapter shall either suspend for up to
6 day or revoke the license or permit or impose a civil
f ne n t to exceed $2,000 for each violation on a finding
t at t e license or permit holder has failed to comply
w th a applicable statute, rule, or ordinance relating
t al oholic beverages. No suspension or revocation
t kes ffect until the license or permit holder has been
a ford d an opportun9ty for a hearing under sections
1 .57 ' 14.69 of the administrative procedure act.
4. Minn. S at. § 340A.501 , provides:
Ev ey icensee is responsible for the conduct in the
li ense establishment and any sale of alcoholic beverage
by any mployee author9zed to sell alcoholic beverages in
th es ablishment is the act of the licensee for the
pu pose of all provisions of this chapter except
se tion 340A.701 , 340A.702, and 340A.703.
5. St Paul Legislative Code (Code) § 409.02 provides in relevant part:
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In xi in i r or li�uor shall mean and include
et yl a cohol , and any distilled, fermented, spiritous,
vi ous r malt liquid of any kind potable as a beverage,
wh ch c ntains a alcoholic content in excess of three and -
tw -ten hs <3.2) percent thereof by weight or four (4>
pe cent �by volume.
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(f) "N nintoxicating malt liquor" is any fermented malt
liq or, potable as a beverage, containing not less than
one half of one percent (1/2 of 1�> alcohol by volume nor
mor th n three and two-tenths (3.2) percent alcohol by
wei ht. �
7. So- all �strong beer is an intoxicating liquor; 3.2 beer
is a nonintox cati g malt liquor.
8. Cod § 4�9.01 provides:
No ersol� shall sell intoxicating liquor for consumption
at ny time or place in Saint Paul without a license.
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9. C de § 410.01 , provides, in pertinent part:
( ) n person shall sell nonintoxicating malt liquors at
r tail in Saint Paul without a 1lcense.
( ) 0 f-sale licenses shall permit the licensee of such
n nint xicating malt liquors to sell same in original
p ckag s for consumption off the premises only.
10. C de § 09.07(a) provides, in relevant part:
N sal of intoxicating liquor shall be made after 1 :00
a. . on Sunday nor until 8:00 a.m. on Monday. No on-sale
sh 11 e made between the hours of 1 :00 a.m. and 8:00
a. . o any weekday. No off-sale shall be made before
8: 0 a. . or after 8:00 p.m. of any day except off-sale
sh 11 b permitted on Friday and Saturday until 10:00 p.m.
11 . Co e § 10.04(c) provides:
No such nonintoxicating malt liquors shall be sold either
on sale or off-sale between the hours of 1 :00 a.m. and
8: 0 a m. on any weekday, Monday through Saturday
in lusi e, nor between the hours of 1 :00 a.m. and 12:00
n n on Sundays. No on-sale licensee shall permit any
su h no intoxicating malt liquors to be consumed on 1ts
pr mise during the hours when the sale thereof is by
th s ch pter prohibited.
12. Co e § 09.14(b) provides:
An sal of intoxicating liquor by a clerk, barkeeper,
ag nt, servant or employee made in or from any place duly
li ensed to sell nonintoxicating malt liquor but not duly
licensed to sell intoxicating liquor shall be deemed the
act of he employer and licensee, as well as that of the
person ctually making the sale, and every such employer
and lic nsee of such place shall be liable to all the
pen ltie provided in this chapter for such sale, equally
wit the person actually making the sale.
13. Lic nsee does not hold an off-sale intoxicating liquor license.
14. On edne day, August 23, 1989, at approximately 10:10 p.m. , Sergeant
Gohl and thr e ot er police officers entered the Wabasha Bar to do a routine
"premises che k". One of the officers looked young, possibly less than 21 .
The officers rder d beers and cokes. The young-appearing officer was carded
before being erve a drink.
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15. hile at the bar, Sergeant Gohl noticed people buying beer over the
bar from t e ba tender 9 n s9 x packs and twel ve packs and taki ng the beer wi th
them as the lef the premises.
16. A th police officers left the premises, Sergeant Gohl asked the
bartender if he could buy a six pack of beer. He was sold six cans of Miller
High Life in a 2-pack carton from which the other six cans had been removed.
The beer w s st ong beer, not 3.2 beer. Sergeant Goht paid cash for the beer
and left th pre ises at approxiroately 10:30 p.m.
17. M . Ha tman has been the manager of the Wabasha bar for 14 years. He
is an empl yee f BAL, Inc. , which is owned by Loretta Soland. She is not
involved in the daily operation of the bar. The bar is a small neighborhood
bar, genera ly staffed by one bartender. Besides Mr. Hartman, there are two
other barte ders employed by Licensee.
18. M . H rtman testified that his understanding of the off-sale
nonintoxica ing alt liquor license was that they could not sell off-sale after
10:00 p.m. and hat they could only sell 3.2 beer off-sale. He knew that
selling str ng b er like that sold to Sergeant Gohl was prohibited under the
license. T Mr. Hartman's understanding, light beer qualifies as 3.2 beer and
is the only typ of 3.2 beer the Wabasha Bar routinely stocks. He believes
that most p ople do not understand what "non-intoxicating malt liquor" means;
they think 1t mea s "beer". �
19. Th bar ender working the night of August 23, 1989, was Mary Heath.
She was a n w b rtender who had only been employed at the Wabasha bar for a
"couple" we ks a d only worked a "couple" nlghts a week; she is no longer
employed t ere. Mr. Hartman recalled instructing Ms. Heath to card
young-lookin cus omers and that beer could be sold off-sale until 10:00 p.m.
He didn't t ink he told her that the Wabasha Bar could only sell 3.2 beer
off-sale. �
20. Mr Har man claims it was a mistake by the bartender that night to
sel 1 the str ng b er off-sal e. He i s now goi ng to impl ement a pol i cy whereby
3.2 beer wil be ut in a separate cooler from which the off-sale sales will be
made. �
21 . Li ensee has had no prior appearances before the City Council
involving an allelged license violat9ons.
Based u on t e foregoing Findings of Fact, the Administrative Law Judge
makes the followin�:
CONCLUSIONS
� 1 . The St. Paul City Council and the Administrative Law Judge have
�urisdiction n th s matter pursuant to Minn. Stat. §§ 14.50 and 340A.415.
2. Lic nsee� received timely and proper notice of the hearing. The City
has complied ith �11 substantive and procedural requirements of law and rule.
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3. On ever 1 occasions after 8:00 p.m. on August 23, 1989, Licensee's
employees sold in oxicating liquor at off-sale without a license to do so.
Such sales w re in violation of its license issued under Code § 410.01 (c>
permitting it to s 11 only non-intoxicating malt liquors at off-sale and in
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violation f Co e § 409.01 prohibiting the sale of intoxicating liquor without
a license. Suc sales were also in violation of Code § 409.07(a> , prohibiting
the off-sa e i toxicating liquor sales after 8:00 p.m. on a weekday and of
Licensee's lic nses issued under Code ch. 409 permitting it to sell
intoxicati g 11 uors at on-sale only.
4. uch ales were not a mistake; they were either the normal routine at
the Wabash ba or, at best, the result of inadequate instruction of the
bartender Lic nsee.
5. he p esumptive penalty for the foregoing violation of a three day
suspension is r asonable 9n this case. No substantial or compelling reason
exists to d part from the presumptive penalty.
Based upon the foregoing Conclusions, the Administrative Law Judge makes
the followi g:
RECOMMENDATION
IT IS HER BY RESPECTFULLY RECOMMENDED that the St. Paul C1ty Council
suspend al the licenses of BAL, Inc. simultaneously for a period of three
days.
Dated this � day of November, 1989.
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Administrative Law Judge
NOTICE
Pursua t to Minn. Stat. § 14.62, subd. 1 , the St. Paul City Council is
required to serv its final decision upon each party and the Administrative Law
Judge by fi st class ma11 .
Reported: aped, not transcribed, tape no. 8019.
MEMORANDUM
- It is lear from the evidence, and admitted by Licensee, that strong beer
was sold at off-sale by Licensee' s employee and that such sales were made after
hours. Licensee rgues that because its employee carded the youthful appearing
police offi er a d because the illegal sales were made by a new bartender, it
is entitled to s me degree of leniency from the Council . It also argues that
the Council should bear in mind the severe economic impact that even a short
suspension w uld have upon it. The City argues that a 3-day suspension should
be imposed u on a 1 of the Licensee's licenses or, in the alternative, that its
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off-sale onint xicating malt liquor license be revoked. In addition to the
basic vio atio , the City points to Licensee's failure to give appropriate
instructio s to its new bartender, to the sales of strong beer after hours and
to the fa t th t these violations occurred so soon after the conditions had
been impos d on the Licensee by the City Council as reasons for not departing
from the p esum tive penalty.
Underi Code § 409.26, the Council has established a matrix by which to
determine the length of license suspensions and the propriety of revocations
for viola ions of liquor license laws. A deviation from the presumptive
penalties s al owed where substantial and compelling reasons to do so exist.
Deter inin what the presumptive penalty should be under Code § 409.26(b)
in this ca e is not absolutely straight forward. For reasons that are unknown
to the A inis rative Law Judge, the City did not allege or argue that
Licensee' s cond ct in selling strong beer violated Code § 409.01 , prohibiting
the sale o int xicating liquor without a license. It only alleged and argued
that Lice see's conduct constituted a violation of Code § 410.01(c) which
states tha off sale nonlntoxicating malt liquor licenses shall permit the sale
of the sam for consumption off premises only. Nor did the Notice of Hearing
allege a iola 1on of § 409.07, regarding after hours sales of lntoxicating
liquor, bu the City argues that that violation is a factor to be considered by
the Council i determining the penalty. Nonetheless, it is clear that
Licensee's cond ct on August 23, 1989, constitutes a violation of all three '
Code secti ns a d it is so concluded. The conduct also constitutes violations
of the te ms f Licensees on-sale intoxicating liquor licenses. However,
because th vio ations all relate to one course of conduct, illegally selling
strong bee ins ead of 3.2 beer, and because only one violation was alleged in
the Notice of H�aring, it is most appropriate to assess a penalty for only one
violation. �
Althou h C de § 409.26(b> does not prov9de a presumptive penalty for the
violatlon s a leged in the Notice of Hearing, it does provide for a
presumptive pen lty of three days suspension for "Sale of intoxicating liquor
where only lice se is for nonintoxicating liquor". Since that is exactly what
happened is thi case, L9censee' s only off-sale license is for nonintoxicating
liquor, the appr priate presumptive penalty is three days suspension.
The Ad inis rative Law Judge finds no substantial or compelling reason to
depart fro the presumptive penalty. Regarding the bartender's "mistake", it
is doubtful that there was any mistake at all . Given the number of people that
were buyin reg lar beer (as opposed to light beer>, and g9ven the fact that
the bar di not stock regular 3.2 beer, but only light beer, this most likely
was the no mal ractice, not a one night anomaly. Moreover, under the statute
and under he ode, Licensee is responsible for the acts of its employees.
Violations f th Code cannot be excused by a failure of an employee to act in
accordance with the Code, especially where, as here, Licensee failed to
instruct its em loyees properly as to the licenses it holds and what can and
cannot be one nder them. Even Mr. Hartman's understanding of the licenses
was weak. For example, there is no restriction on selling 3.2 beer after
10:00 p.m. Int xicating liquor can't be sold off-sale after 8:00 p.m. on
weekdays, ut t t doesn't apply to 3.2 beer. 3.2 beer can be sold until
1 :00 a.m. hile three days suspension seems harsh to Licensee, it does take
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size in o ac ount because it is in terms of time, not dollars. Moreover, it
seems hat ome significant penalty is necessary to cause the Licensee to
assume the responsibility for understanding the licenses under which it
operate . I has not done that in the past.
Th Adm nistrative Law Judge has considered the City Attorney's suggestion
that, in th alternative, Licensee's off-sale nonintoxicating malt liquor
19cense shou d be revoked. That alternative is rejected for the following
reasons Fi st, it would be a departure from the presumptive penalty when no
substan ial r compelling reason for doing so exists. Second, Licensee's
conduct is ot just a violation of its off-sale nonintoxicating malt liquor
license I s conduct also constituted violations of its on-sale liquor
license bec use it consisted of sales of a type not authorized under those
license eit er. Adverse action against all the licenses is appropriate and
there i no reason to depart from the presumptive penalty established by the
Code.
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JAMES SCHEIBEL I FAX 612-29g-5619
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Loretta F. Hart�nan, President
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427 WabashalStr�et South
Saint Pau1,IMin�esota 55107
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677 E. Hyac'nthlStreet
Saint Paul, Minr�esota 55106
NOTICE OF HEARING
RE: In re t e L'censes of the Wabasha Bar
Dear Mrs. H rtma and Mr. Hartman:
This is to n tifl you that the hearing will be held concerning all
the license hel�d at the premises stated above at the following
time, date a d p�ace:
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In this art cular case, the License Inspector will recommend that
` all of t e 1 censes you hold at the premises of the Wabasha Bar be
revoked. Evi ence will be presented to the judge which may lead to
revocati n a d/or other adverse action against all the licenses you
hold at jthe bove premises as follows:
1. On April 14, 1990, in the late evening, two
int xic ted persons in close proximity to the licensed
pre ise , engaged in a loud and vociferous attack on
ano her person, requiring the police to be called to
res ore peace.
� 2 . On April 18, 1990, two undercover police officers
pur has d strong beer off sale from a bartender in the
bar Th bar only has an off sale malt license. The bar
rec ive a three-day suspension on December 19, 1989, for
the sa e offense. This constitutes a violation of
sec ion 409.01, 409. 07, and 410.01 of the Saint Paul
Leg sla ive Code.
� 3 . On April 26, 1990, in the early evening hours,
two in oxicated persons in close proximity to the
lic nse premises, engaged in public oral sex which was
obs rve by small children.
I 4 . On June 10, 1990, there was a fight in front of
the Ilbar.
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5. On June 16, 1990, at about 12:45 a.m. in the
mor ing, two people walked out of the bar with a beer in
the'r ha ds. The licensee did not take reasonable steps
to reve t them from doing so.
I 6. n June 22, 1990, most of those persons exiting
the � bar were seen to be obviously and extremely
int�xica ed, and this is a pattern common to all of the
inc dent specifically mentioned in this letter, and
obse�rved by neighbors repeatedly.
I 7. n June 22 and 23, 1990, after about 10: 00 p.m.
on ach vening, patrons of the licensee were standing
arou d i the front of the bar drinking from cans of beer
purc ase in the bar and taken outside by them. The
lice see did not take reasonable steps to prevent that
from hap ening.
8. �On June 29, 1990, patrons of the licensed
> esta lis�ment brought their drinks out of the bar onto
the ide alk in front of the bar, and the licensee did
not ake easonable steps to prevent that from happening.
On t at ate, two intoxicated patrons urinated in public
shor ly after leaving the establishment; and other
patr ns ere seen to leave in an extremely intoxicated
cond tio .
� 9. O�n July 1, 1990, six people were standing outside
the Ibar �on the sidewalk and the street from about 1: 00
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to �� 1:45� a.m. drinking beer, carrying on a loud
` � conv�ersa�tion, and one person urinated in public. The
disc}arde�d containers were thrown on the sidewalk and
stre�et. The licensee did not take reasonable steps to
prev�ent �hem from leaving the bar with the containers of
bee�f. '
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II 10.�' On July l, 1990, patrons came out of the bar �`
witY� bee� cans. Others came out, urinated outside the bar �.- �
andlwent back in.
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of om ere bar patrons, congregated in a small park near
the ar.
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12 . �1On July 6, 1990, on two separate times between
11:Ob p�m. and 1: 00 a.m. , loud disturbances with
scre�amin and shouting were created by obviously
into ica ed persons in the near vicinity of the licensed
prem' ses and who had exited from the licensed premises.
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113 . On July 6, 1990, persons were seen at several
time to carry drinks or containers out of the bar and
drin� fr m them in front of the bar.
14 . On July 11, 1990, in the early morning, the
enti e a ea in front of the bar, on the sidewalk and in
the tre t, was littered with beer cans and trash from
patr ns f the bar congregating the night before. This
part cul y date is but one example of the usual daily
appe ran e of the bar.
� 15. On July 14, 1990, obviously intoxicated persons
were seer� to leave the bar in the evening hours, some of
whom cr�ated disturbances to the peace of the
neigY�borl�ood.
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� 16. �On July 15, 1990, persons were going in and out
of tY�e li ensed establishment with drinks in their hands.
At c osi g time, people left the licensed premises with
drin s i their hands, a situation which was known to
the icen ee and/or his employees, and took them to their
vehi les. Several fights broke out outside the bar during
the vening hours.
17. �'urther testimony from witnesses will establish
that the '�foregoing specific incidents are not isolated,
� but re ypical of many other such incidents that they
have obse�rved.
18. I�The operation of the bar over the past twelve
mont s ma�.ntains or permits conditions which constitute
a nui anc ' to the neighborhood under section 310. 06(b) (8)
of th Sa nt Paul Legislative Code, in that its operation
and atro s unreasonably annoy, injure and endanger the
safet , ealth, morals, comfort and repose of a
consi era�le number of inembers of the public.
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mon hs as violated the terms and conditions under which
its lic nse was granted on August 10, 1989, in C.F. No.
89- 080, which requires that the licenseholder monitor
the �doo at closing to prevent customers from exiting the
bar ' wit any glass or bottled beverage containers,
re ire the licensee to prevent loitering on the
pre ise , and requires the licensee to call the police
whe eve any apparent illegal activity is observed.
' 20. Leaving the bar with containers of alcoholic
bev�rag s also violates section 409. 08 (16) of the Saint
Pau Le islative Code.
You have the right to be represented by an attorney before and
during t e he ring if you so choose, or you can represent yourself.
You may lso have a person of your choice represent you, to the
extent n�t p ohibited as unauthorized practice of law.
The hear � ng ill be conducted accordance with the requirements of ,
sections 14 . 7 to 14 .62 of the Minnesota Statutes, and such parts
of the pro edures under section 310.05 of the Saint Paul
Legislat ve ode as may be applicable.
At the h�ari g, the Administrative Law Judge will have all parties
identify 'the selves for the record. Then the City will present its
witnesse an evidence, each of whom the license or attorney may
cross-ex min . The licensee may then offer in rebuttal any
witnesse or vidence it may wish to present, each of whom the City
attorney may cross-examine. The Administrative Law Judge may in
addition hea relevant and material testimony from persons not
presente as itnesses who have substantial interest in the outcome
of the p ocee ing; for example, the owners or occupants of property
located in �lose proximity to the licensed premises may have
substant al ''nterest in the outcome of the proceeding. Concluding
argument ma be made by the parties. Following the hearing, the
Judge wi l p epare Findings of Fact, Conclusions of Law, and a
specificlrec mmendation for action to be taken.
You sho ld ring to the hearing all documents, records and
witnesse yo will or may need to support your position. Subpoenas
may be vailable to compel the attendance of witnesses or the
producti n o documents in conformity with Minnesota Rules, part
1400.700 .
If you t ink that this matter can be resolved or settled without
a formal hea ing, please contact or have your attorney contact the
undersig ed. ; If a stipulation or agreement can be reached as to
the fact , th t stipulation will be presented to the Administrative
Law Judg fo incorporation into his or her recommendation for
Council cti n.
If you f il o appear at the hearing, the allegations against you
which ha e b en stated earlier in this notice may be taken as true
and your abil�ity to challenge them forfeited. If non-public data
is recei ed �nto evidence at the hearing, it may become public
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Room 203, City Hall
Saint Paul,Minnesota 55102
JAMES SCHEIBEI
MAYOR Alarm Permits 612-298-5143
Building Contractor Licenses 612-29&5144
Business Licenses 612-29&5056
NOTES OF MEETING WITH WABASHA BAR OWNER & MANAGER
Al Hartman & Loretta Hartman (Solen)
8:30 A.M. - July 16, 1990
I explained that I have' received more complaints about the Wabasha Bar
than any other bar.
RESPONSE:
A1 feels that the complaints are unfounded. He's been there 14 years
and the complaints have started during the last two years because he
feels the neighborhood in general and Brian Miller ia particular wants
him out. He wants to see the names of the complainants because he
thinks there aren't any. He says Greg Licht is lying.
He said that most of the drinking going on in front of the bar is by
patrons bringing beer to the bar and leaving it outside because he
doesn't allow people to come in with drinks. He says he has a sign
which states that drinks cannot be taken from the establishment.
He's tl�e only one working. He has no bouncer or waitress. The average
number of customers is 10 to 15. I explained that a bar owner can't be
held responsible for the behavior of patroas once they leave the bar
unless it can be proven that the management of the bar contributes to
rowdy behavior such as allowing patrons to take drinks from the bar and
stand outside drinking. A1 Hartman said he didn't see this as a problem.
I infarmed them that an adverse hearing process has begun and that that
process will provide both sides an opportunity to tell their story. �
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CITY OF SAINT PAUL
In re the Licenses of the
Wabasha B�ar
MEMORANDUM CONCERNING
RULES OF EVIDENCE IN
September 13, 1990 ADMINISTRATIVE HEARING
The City's position is that the evidence offered concerning
the intoxication, or degree of being under the influence of
alcohol, of the patrons of the Wabasha Bar based on the
observations of neighbors should be received and considered in
arriving at a decision. The rules of evidence, including those
relating to the foundation for opinion as to intoxication, are not
applicable in an administrative proceeding. Minn. Stat. §14 . 60,
subd. l, is controlling.
The statute provides that in contested cases the decision-
maker "m�y admit and give probative effect to evidence which
possesses probative value commonly accepted by reasonable prudent
persons in the conduct of their affairs. "
Evidence that the neighbors thought that certain patrons of
the bar were intoxicated should be admissible and considered in
this cas�. Such observations were based on a number of facts and
physical '' information, including staggering and reeling walk,
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lurching,' loud voices, exaggerated movements, fighting, carrying
out cans of beer, the location immediately outside a bar, those
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persons were walking out of the bar, some being supported by
others, and the fact that such observations were not isolated
instances. The evidence of that kind would normally be given
probative weight by a reasonable person in the conduct of their
affairs. Most people have a very solid and clear understanding of
what intoxicated persons look like and act like, and do based their
responses to �uch situations on that understanding.
The case law supports the proposition that the rules of
evidence do not apply in an administrative hearing. In Padilla v.
Minnesota State Board, 382 N.W.2d 876 (Minn. App. 1986) , the Court
of Appeals, in upholding the order of the Board revoking a doctor's
license, held that the use by the Board of Minn. Stat. §14.60
rather than the Rules of Evidence did not deprive the doctor of due
process, and cites 3 Davis, Administrative Law, §16. 1, for the
proposition that the use of the broader standard in administrative
hearings has worked well for more than three decades. The Supreme
Court earlier, in Hacten v. Civil Service Board, 164 N.W. 2d 629
(Minn. 1969) , held that an administrative body which acts is a
quasi-judicial matter is not bound by the technical rules of
evidence, citing to the applicable statute for those hearings.
Additional cases are gathered at 1 Dunnell Digest (4th Ed. ) ,
Administrative Law, §1. 04 (h) and Appendix, attached hereto as
Exhibit 'A. ,
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; ; Assistant City Attorney
� Attorney for the City of Saint Paul
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procedural rules that circumscribe the action of a court.81 There is no right .
to a jury trial in administrative proceedings.82
Tl�e word appeal in a statute governing administrative proceedings has
been deemed to require a trial de novo before an administrative board.8�
That an administrative tribunal, in discharging an employee, acts in
triple capacity of complainant, prosecutor, and judge does not subject its
decision to attack for lack of due process of law�+ The combination of .
investigative and adjudicative functions does not, without more, consti-
tute a due process violation.85 It is not a denial of due process for an agency •
staff to act as an advocate at a hearing where the ultimate decision is made �
by the agency head.86 However, the federal Administrative Procedure Act
requires a separation of functions.87
, h. Evidence
� The rules of evidence applicable to jury trials are not required to be
� applied in administrative proceedings.g$ Strict compliance wit;i the rules
of evidence is not required where a formal hearing is not required.A court '
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�� Minn. 296, 164 N.W.2d 629 (1969); (1975); Barlau v City of Northfiel�i,
. ::: Mocey v School Bd, 271 Minn. 445, 568 F. Supp. 181 (D. Minn. 1983)
t ��. 136 N.W.2d 105 (1965). See Juster (police officers' civil rights action was �
•? Bros v. Christgau, 214 Minn. 108, 7 dismissed with prejudice on motion for
N.W.2d 501 (1943) (although statutes summary judgment; police civil ser-
may confer on administrative boards vice commission was entitled to inves-
I exemption from rules of evidence or tigate charges against police officers
proCedure, statutes cannot authorize who elected not to confront commis-
exemption from due process; agency sion with questions regarding ex parte
may not act arbitrarily nor substitute communications and who did not show
presumption for fact). . any risk of actual bias).
82. National Labor Relations Bd v 86. Urban Council on Mobility v
Jones& Laughlin Steel Corp, 301 U.S. State Dep't of Natural Resources, 289
' 1 (1937). N.1�!2d 729(Minn. 1980).
� '' 83. State e.Y rel. Spurck v. Civil Serv 87. 5 U.S.C. § 5�4(d) (employee or
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Bd, 226 Minn. 240, 32 N.W.2d 574 agent engaged in investigation or pros-
(1948) (employee appealed to state ecution of any case may not participate
civil service board from classification or advise in decision). See generally
of employee by civil service director; Withrow v.Larkin,421 U.S. 35(1975).
i. appealing employee was entitled to trial 88. See Padilla v. Minnesota State
=,i de hovo before board with all incide�its Bd of Medical Examiners,382 N.W.2d
;: of t'rial). , 876 (Minn. Ct. App. 1986); 7a DuN-
?;; 84. Campbell v.St Mary's Hosp,312 NELL M�tvtv.. D�cesT 2d Evide�ice
�:' , Minn. 379, 252 N.W.2d 581 (1977); § 1.01(b)(3d ed. 1986). For additional
; State e.r rel.Ging v.Board of Educ,213 cases, see Appendix at the end of this �
Minn. 550,7 N.W.2d 544(1942). topic. ,
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discretion in relying on inherently unreliable evidence.89 An administra- � �' j:.
tive agency has no power to make findings for which there is no eviden- ''
tiary support.90 In the absence of a special statute, an administrative
aget�cy cannot rest its findings of fact solely on hearsay ev-idence that is
inadmissible in a jiidicial proceeding.91 However, incompetent evidence
. will not cause the decision of an administrative board to be set aside where
there is sufficient competent evidence to sustain it.92 While administrative
bodies are not held to the same strict'rules as judicial tribunals and while
� � incompetent evidence will not in itself be grounds for reversal,there must
be some substantial evidence introduced to sustain their findings.9� In
contested cases, agencies may admit and give probative effect to evidence
that possesses probative value commonly accepted by reasonable, prudent
persons in the conduct of their affairs.9�Agencies must gir•e effect to the
rules of privilege recognized by la�v Agencies may exclude incompetent,
irr�levant, immaterial, and repetitious evidence.95 Every party or agency
� haS ihe right of cross-e�camination of witnesses who testify and has the
rig�t to submit rebuttal evidence.96 `;j�
, The right to present evidence,to have witnesses sworn,and to have them I ��
subjected to direct and cross-examination in accordance with recognized I�
juGiicial procedure is the right of any interested person present at the hear- i
ing. Unless that right is asserted, however,it must be considered waived.97 �
iAn agency that wishes to utilize the general,technical,or scientific facts �
wikhin its members' specialized knowledge, is required to take official
nqtice of ihat information, notify the parties in writing,and provide them �
! aq opportunity to respond to the information in question.98 Where an ��
� a9ency is examining evidence already contained in the record, it may use �
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89. State ex re1. Independent School were improperly framed; however,
D�st No 276 v. Department of Educ, there�a+as no reversible error since they
256 N.W.2d 619(Minn. 1977). caused no damage and there were no
' 90. State e.r rel. Spurck v Civil Serv objections at that time).
� Bd, 226 Minn. 253, 32 N.W.2d 583 93. Sabes v City of Minneapolis,
� (1948);State ex rel.Dybdal v.State Sec 265 Minn. 166, 120 N.W.2d 871
Comm'n, 145 Minn. 221, 176 N.W. (1963). �
, 759(1920). 94. MiNtv.STAr.§ 14.60,subd. 1.
, 91. State e.r rel. Independent School 95. Id. ; �
Dist No 276 v. �epartment of Educ, 96. M1NN.STAT.§ 14.60,subd. 3.
256 N.W.2d 619(Minn. 1977). 97. Martin v Wolfson, 218 Minn.
, 92. Hagen v. Civil Serv Bd, 282 557, 16 N.W.2d 884 (1944). See State
� ; Iytinn. 296, 164 N.W.2d 629 (1969) ex rel. Ludwig v City of Bemidji, 298
(Ceception of incompetent evidence not Minn. 27, 212 N.W.2d 876 (1973);
fatal to determination of administra- Haaland v Pomush, 263 Minn. 506,
' tyve body); Hughes v Department of 117 N.W.2d 194 (1962) (party may
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, k�ub Safety, 200 Minn. 16, 273 N.W. waive right to cross-examination).
d l 8 (1937). See Roberts v. DeKalb 98. Mirtrt. Sr�T. § 14.60, subd. 4. �
! .Agricultural Ass'n, 229 Minn. 188, 38 See Kollmorgen v.State Bd of Medical �
� � N.W.2d 189 (1949) (in compensation Examiners,416 N.W.2d 485(Minn.Ct.
� I �roceedings, hypothetical questions App. 1987).
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� members to evaluate the evidence in the record before it.�
� � i. Burden of proof �
The garty proposing that a certain action be taken must prove the facts
- ,! at issue by a preponderance of the evidence unless the substantive law pro- ,
��, vides a different burden or standard.�
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t';! j. Requirement of adequate record .
!' Every decision and order rendered by an agency in a contested case must
�;° �` be in writing, based on the record, and must include the agency's findings '
�� � of fact and conclusions on all material issues. A copy of the decision and
� i order niust be served on each party or the party's representative and the
. : ii administratiWe law judge by first class mail.z
�i While adherence to evidentiary rules is less strict in an administrative
�z. �� hearing than in a judicial proceeding, it is incumbent on the parties to pre-
.�: �� serve an adequate record for judicial review.3 Due process of law requires
' that evidence on which an agency,board, or commission bases its findings
,. �;
y !: be ascertainable so that the court charged with the duty to review may have
� i; the necessary data on which to determine the correctness thereof.a
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.' ;' 99. MtHtv. Sr,�T. § 14.60, subd. 4. Bd, 254 N.W.2d 371 (Minn. 1977)
� See Kollmorgen v. State Bd of Medical (board made detailed and extensive
i� . Examiners,416 N.W.2d 485(Iviinn.Ct. tindings); Bryan v. Community State
App. 1987) (use of board member's Bank,285 Minn.226, 172 N.W.2d 771 '
expertise in evaluating evidence �vas (1969)(mere conclusion that there was ,
,�� proper). reasonable public demand for bank was ,
I. I�t re State Pub Utils Comm'n, not sufficient to comply with statute);
�� 365 N.W.2d 341 (Minn.Ct.App. 1985) Plunkett v.First Nat'1 Bank,262 Minn.
�� 36� N.W.2d 341 (where citizens'group 231, 11� N.W.2d 235 (statute applied
; }�; intervened in telephone rate increase to decisions and orders of department
hearing and requested that telephone of commerce and commissioner of
company be required to provide low- banks).See also Jackson v.Vallev Nat'1
� �: cost or f'ree communications devices to Bank, 277 Minn. 293, 152 N.W.2d 472
� �� deaf person, denial of requested relief (1967) (commission merely s�ecified '
was justified where group failed to in its conclusion that there was no rea- �
��' prov� reasonableness of proposal). See sonable pubiic demand for bank with-
l�r re Northern States Power Co, 402 out either indicating its reasons for its
N.W,2d 135 (Minrr. Ct. App. 1987), conclusion or making any findings of
� rer'd in parl, 416 N.W.2d 719 (Minn. specific facts to support it).
� 1987) (erroneous, but uncontested use : 3. State ex reL Lucas v Board of
� of fair preponderance of evidence Educ, 27? N.W.2d 524 (Minn. 1979). ,
standard of proof was not crucial in See Hardy v. Independent School Dist
outcome of rate case);M►rvtv. Ru�ES pt. No 694, 301 Minn. 373, 223 N.W.2d
� 140Q.7300,subpt. 5. 124(1974).
, ' �. Mtvtv.Sr�T.§ 14.62.See Subur- 4. Hunter v. Zenith Dredge Co,
ban INat'1 B�nk v.Department of Com- 220 Minn. 318, 19 N.W.2d 795(1945)
mer�e, 260 N.W.2d 291 (Minn. 1977) (supreme court �vas unable to deter-
(commission's findings of fact provided mine whether agency's findings had
adequate reasons for its conclusion); sufficient foundation). See Rosen v
Mavkwardt v. State Water Resources State Civil Serv Bd, 295 Minn. 255, • •
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520, 78 N.W.2d 351 (1956) (power to revoke certificates or to suspend ;�
right to practice optometry); Hassler v. Engberg, 233 Minn. 437, 48 �!
N.�V.2d 343 (1951); State v. Tri-State Tel&Tel Co, 204 Minn. 516, 284 j:
N.W. 294 (1939) (railroad and warehouse commission fixing telephone 'i.
ratas): In re Farmers' State Bank, 174 Minn. 583, 2l9 N.W. 916 (1928) ��
(authorizing board of deposit to determine advisability of state i ; !��
proreeding against assets of insolvent state bank depositary or against � � ;'
surtties on its bond); State v. Le Febvre; 174 I�4inn. 248, 219 N.W. 167 i�
(19?3) (regulation of motor vehicles on highways as common carriers); � � �' `
Schmidt v. Gould, 172 Minn. 179, 215 N.W. 215 (1927) (statute i ��
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authorizing state game and fish commissioner to reserve waters of state � !'
for propagation of fish sustained); G O Miller Tel Co v. Minimum Wage ' I ''•� �
Comm'n, 145 Minn.262, 177 N.W.341 (1920)(pow•ersofminimumwage � � � s
commissions defined); State e,r ,•e!. Dybdal v. State Sec Comm'n, 145 ( i �`' �
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Mi�n. 221, 176 N.W. 759 (1920) (statute authorizing securities i I ���� ,
commission to issue certificates for organization of banks); State ex re1. � I ,
Hilton v. Four Lakes Tel Co, 141 Minn. 124, 169 N.�V. 4S0 (1918) � ! ��
(ra�ilroad and warehouse commission; regulatir_g telephone companies); ! ; �: ;
� Williams v. Evans, ]39 Minn. 32, I65 N.W. 495 (1917) (statute � I��; �
authorizing commission to establish minimum wages for women and �,
, minors sustained); State ex rel. City of Ely v. State Tax Comm'n, 137 � � �'
Minn. 20, 162 N.W. 675 (1917)(state tax commission);St Paul Ass'n of �'•
Commerce v. Chicago B & Q Ry, 134 Minn. 217, 158 N.W. 982 (1916) ` �: �
� (railroad and waretiouse commission;fixing railroad rates);Hunstiger v. � !;
' Kilian, 130 Minn.474, 153 N.W. 869(1915)(licensing offensive trades); }�
� Wri g h t v. M a y, 1 2 7 Mi n n. I 5 0, 1 4 9 N.V V. 9 (1 9 1 4) (]i censin g o f h
� a�ctioneers by county board or county auditor);State v Minnesota&Ont � '
Power Co, !21 Minn.421, 141 N.W.839(1913)(administrative powers of 3 I
st�te tax commission sustained); State e,r rel. Kelly v.Wolfer, 119 Minn. , I �
3 8 8, 1 3 8 N.W.3 1 5(1 9 1 2)(s ta tu te au t horizing boar d o f con tro l to trans fer ± j'
prisoners from reformatory to state prison and vice versa was sustained); � ti -
; State v.Great N Ry, 100 Minn.445, 111 N.W.289(1907)(legislature may � k
, enact statute providing generally for what purposes and on what terms : ; �
increase of capital stock may be made and may confer duty on : '� �
' cqmmission to supervise any proposed increase;however,any statute that � ;,�
� attempts to authorize commission in its judgment to allow increase of ?
°' � capital stock for such purposes and on such terms as it may deem
:'; advisable would be unconstitutional as attempt to delegate legislative ; + �
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power); State ex rel. Beck v. Wagener, 77 Mmn.483, 80 N.W.633(1899) � y ,
(regulation of commission merchants by railroad and warehouse i � '
commission); Fleckton v Lamberton, 69 Minn. 187, 72 N.W. 65(1897) '•
(l l e g i s l a t u r e m a y c r e a t e b o a r d o f p u b l i c o ffi c e r s t o p u r c h a s e s i t e f o r s t a t e � M �'
capitol);State e!c rel.Railroad&Warehouse Comm'n v.Chicago M&St P ! � �
. � F1.y,38 Minn.281,27 N.W.782(1888)(commission may fix freight rates), i ��
, rpv d on other grounds 134 U.S.418(1890). � ;E
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,�."' ! h. Evidence � :
:�,� 88. Bullock v. Chicago B & Q Ry, 19 F Supp. 862 (D. Minn. 1937); � �
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5tate ex rel. Cochrane v. Peterson, 208 Minn.361,294 N.W.203(1940);
;�'2; I ughes v.Department of Pub Safety,200 M;nn. 16,273 N.W.618(1937);
�`-�;' ; tate e,r rel. Hardstone Brick Co v.Department of Commerce, 174 Minn.
"�"``t ' 00, 219 N.W. 81 (1928); Merchants & Mfrs State Bank v Dyste, 173 '
'-�'�;! Minn. 436, 217 N.W. 483 (1928). See In re People's Indep Tel Co, 156
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� r Minn. 87, 194 N.W. 317 (1923); State ex reL City of Ely v Siate Tax
� : Comm'n, 137 Minn. 20, 162 N.W. 675 (1917). See genera!ly Note,
Admirtistrative La►v—E►•idence Before Tribunals in Alinnesota, 23 Mitvtv.
+ ' L. ReW. 68 (1939); Note,Hem•ing a�id Be/ieving: What Shal! i�Y'e Tel!t/:e
� Ad�rzi»istrati►•eAgencies,45 MiNtv.L.REV. 525(1961).
' ' 2.00 Generally; burden of proof �
Before the creation of the court of appeals in 1983,which added an addi- �
tional appellate court, only the district court and the supreme court had f
jurisdiction to review decisions of administrative agencies.
MiNN. ST�r. §§ 14.63. See M�tvN. Sr�T. §§ 15.0424 (amended 1983,
renumbered 1984), 15.0426(amended 1983,renumbered 1984). ',
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2.04 Powers of res�ieti��ing court �
b. Legislati��e matters; polic�•matters �
61.See State v. Duluth M & I R Ry, 246 Minn. 383, 75 N.�V.2d 398 �
(1956); State ��. Great N Ry, 130 Minn. 57, 153 N.N. 247 (191�);
Steenerson v.Great N Ry,69 Minn. 353, 72 N.W.713(1897).
2.Q6 Scope of revieti�� �
a. Generally
77. See also Adelsman v. Northwest Airlines Inc, 267 Minn. 116, 125
N.W.2d 44-� (1963); Se�•cik v. Commissioner of Taxation, 257 Minn. 92,
100�I.W.2d 678 (1960); Miller v. Commissioner ofTaxation, 240 Minn.
18, 39 N.W.2d 92�(19�3);Jurich v.Cleveland-Cliffs Iron Co,233 Minn.
108, 46 N.�V.2d 237 (19�i); Village of Aurora v. Commissioner of
Taxation,217 Minn.64, 14 N.W.2d 292(1944);State v Tri-State Tel&T'el •
Co,204 Minn. �l6,284 N.W. 294(1939). �
78.State ex rel. Lucas v.Board of Educ,277 N.W.2d 524(Minn. 1979);
Pearson v. Independent School Dist No 716,290 Minn.400, 133 N.�V.2d
776 (1971); Department of Employment Sec v. Ntinnesota Drug Prods,
� 2�8'Minn. 133. 104 N.W.2d 640(1960); State e.�reL McGinnis v. Police
I; Civii Serv Comm'n, 253 Minn. 62, 91 N.W.2d 154 (19�8); Twin City •
Motor Bus Co v.Rechtzigel,229 Minn. 196,38 N.W.2d 825(1949);State ,
,! ex rnL Ging v. Board of Educ,213 Minn. 550,7 N.�V.2d S44(1942).
b. Statutory pro��ision �
8'6. Crookston Cattle Co v State Dep't of Natural Resources, 300
N.1N.2d 769 (Minn. 1980); Brunner v. State Dep't of Pub Welfare, 285
N.W.2d 74 (Minn. 1979); Minnesota Pub Interest Research Group v.
Ntinnesota Envtl Quality Council, 306 Minn. 370, 237 N.W.2d 375
(19'75); Amundsen v. City of Minneapolis, 300 Minn. 520, 218 N.W.2d �
69q(1974); Foesch v. lndependent School Dist No 646, 300 Minn. 478, �
, 223 N.W?d 371 (1974);Village of Lakeville v.Village of Farmington,297
! Mi�nn. 524, 211 N.W.2d 897 (1973); Lindgren v. City of Cr��stal, 295 i
; Milnn. 557, 204 N.W.2d 444 (1973); Lerner v. City of Minneapolis, 284
' Mi�nn. 46, 169 N.W.2d 380(1969); Webster v. Marshall,270 Minn. 292,
•' � 133 N.W.2d 533 (196�): Otter Tail Power Co v. MacKichan, 270 Minn. �
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OFFICE OF ADMINISTRATIVE HEARINGS
FOR THE COUNCIL OF THE
CITY OF SAINT PAUL
In re the Licenses of
the Wabasha Bar
Memorandum on Burden
September 7, 1990 of Proof and Evidence
1. Burden of Proof.
(a) Preponderance of the Evidence.
In a civil hearing concerning adverse action on municipal
licenses, the City as the licensing authority must prove its case
by a prepo�nderance of the evidence. The City's evidence must lead
the trieriof f�ct to believe that it is more likely that its case
is true than not true. See Civil Jury Instruction Guides, JIG II
70 G. If there is the slightest tipping of the scales in the
direction of the City by credible evidence, then it has proved its
case.
It is not necessary in a civil case, as this is, to prove the
case beyond a reasonable doubt. The criminal standard is not
applicable here. The Minnesota Court of Appeals, in In re Kaldahl,
418 N.W.2d 532, 535 (Minn. App. 1988) , said the following:
"The burden of proof in Kaldahl 's criminal misdemeanor
trial was different from the burden of proof in the
administrative proceeding which resulted in the
(adm�inis�rative) order. . . . Unless otherwise provided by
subs�ant�ve law, the facts at issue in administrative
hear�ngs and contested cases must be proven by "a
preppnde�ance of the evidence. " See Minn.R. 1400.7300,
subpj. 5 (j1985) ; In re Schultz, 375 N.W.2d 509, 514 (Minn.
App. i� 198�) . " (Emphasis added. )
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Also see Zn r� Wang, 441 N.W.2d 488, 492 (Minn. 1989) , which
reaffirmed the preponderance standard for administrative
disciplinary hearings.
The fact that no criminal complaints or charges were brought
against the licensee does not bar this proceeding, nor is it
relevant. In re Kaldahl, supra. Kaldahl makes it clear that the
civil administrative proceeding may still go ahead even if the
criminal charges have resulted in an acquittal for the defendant.
(b) Substantial Evidence.
In re Wana, 441 N.W.2d 488, 492 (Minn. 1989) , also makes clear
that the decisions of the administrative agency must be supported
by "substantial evidence on the record as a whole. " The findings
of the ALJ in 'this case, and later those of the City Council, as
in other license proceedings, must be supported by "evidence that
a reasonable mind might accept as adequate, " in the context of the
entire record. 441 N.W.2d at 492.
2. Hearsay Evidence.
(a) Police Reports.
Police reports which recite the personal observation and
experiences of the police officers who wrote them are admissible
in administrative hearings, and may support findings made by the
administrative or quasi-judicial body which is holding the hearing.
Sabes v. City ' of Minneapolis, 265 Minn. 166, 120 N.W.2d 871, 877-
78 (Minn. 1963) . This is an exception to the hearsay rule, based
on the admissibility of the official records and reports of public
officials.
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(b) Ge}�erally.
In Hagen v. State Civil Service Board, 282 Minn. 296, 164
N.W.2d 629, 632 (1969) , the Minnesota Supreme Court stated in a
case dealing with a challenge to evidence that a civil service
board had admitted:
"It is true that an administrative body acting quasi-
judicially is not bound by strict procedural rules which
circumscribe the action of a court, and that incompetent
evidence is not fatal to its determination. "
The Minnesota Supreme Court, while recognizing that hearsay
evidence is admissible in administrative disciplinary hearings and
that hearsay evidence alone miaht be sufficient to sustain a
decision, holds that in most cases hearsay evidence alone will not
be enough. , In �e Wang, 441 N.W.2d at 495.
Minn. Stat. sec. 14.60, in providing for the evidence that may
be receive�d and heard by administrative agencies subject to the
state APA, states in part:
"In contested cases agencies may admit and give probative
effect to evidence which possesses probative value
commanly accepted by reasonable prudent persons in the
condtict of their affairs. " Sec. 14.60, subd. 1.
3. Responsibility for Employees� Actions.
Section 409. 14 of the Saint Paul Legislative Code provides in
part that " (a)ny act by any . . . employee of any licensee hereunder,
in violation of this chapter, shall be deemed the act of the
employer and licensee of such place . . . . " In addition, section
�
310. 17 of; the� Legislative Code provides in pertinent part that
" (a)ny act or � conduct by any . . . employee . . . of a licensee, . . .
which actlof qonduct takes place on the licensed premises . . . (and
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which act violates federal, state or local law) . . . , shall be
considered to be and treated as the act or conduct of the licensee
for the purpose of adverse action against all or any of the
licenses held by such licensee. . . . " The licensee thus is liable
for the active or inactive permission of his employees in allowing
the unlawful activities to take place in the bar.
4. Municipal Power.
Municipalities in Minnesota have inherent, sweeping powers to
regulate the sale of intoxicating liquor, and to issue and revoke
such licenses pursuant to that authority and local ordinances.
However, the authority vested in them is not limited by the
ordinances; the� may choose to adopt, but springs from basic police
powers. Country Liquors. Inc. v. City Council of the City of
Minneapolis, 264 N.W.2d 821, 824 (Minn. 1978) ; Moskovitz v. Citv
of Saint Paul, 218 Minn. 543, 16 N.W.2d 745 (1944) .
The Court held in Moskovitz that the ordinances adopted by the
city were not the sole source of the power to revoke, which power
could arise under the police power or under (in Moskovitz) an
applicable charter provision. Similar language as to the broad
powers to regulate and deal with licensees can be found in Miller
v. City of Saint Paul, 363 N.W.2d 806, 812 (Minn. App. 1985) ;
Hvmanson y. C�ty of Saint Paul, 329 N.W.2d 324 (Minn. 1983) ; and
Sabes v. �ity ; of Minneapolis, 265 Minn. 166, 120 N.W.2d 871, 875
(1963) .
Country �iquors, Inc. , supra, makes it clear that the scope
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of the discretion in licensing decisions given to municipalities
is so broad that such decisions will not be overturned unless
patently arbitrary and capricious. 264 N.W.2d at 826.
Respectfully submitted this /`w day o , 19��.
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Phili B. B ne
Assistant City Attorney
647 City Hall
612-298-5121
Atty. Reg. No. 13961
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' PETERSON, Justice, dancers performing at Pudge's) for�which � an agen�
By a resolutfion dated August 19, 1982, �vocation or suspension of licene� might . decide cc
the St. Paul City Council unanimously re- �ur. The notice a18o mentioned that com- recomme
� voked various liquor and entertainment li- plaints by seighborhood residents near , ing exan
' censes held by Luck� Lanes, Inc. (The F�B'�'s would be heard. The hearing held , agency.
; business run by Lucky Lanes, Inc. is more on August 10, 1982, was orderly. Council u The hi;
commonly known as "�udge's.") Plaintiffs Member Victor Tedesco presided, aided on hearing�
Lucky Lanes, Inc. and Kit Hymanson (the legal questions by a city attorney. After lative in�
sole shareholdler and president of Lucky listening to testimony presented, both ad- 135 (198�
Lanes, Inc.) soiught a permanent injunction verse and favorable to Pudge's, the city visions o:
against revoca;tion of the licenses in district council unanimously voted to revoke plain- � dural fr.
court. The permanemt injunction was de- tiffs' licenses.z We uphold the decision, as � authoriti
nied. We aff�rm. falling within the grant of broad discretion , licenses.
Issues raised on appeal include: (1) S7ven to municipal authorities to determine � explicitl�
whether the �notice and hearing require- the issuance, regulation, and revocation of � APA pe�
ments of the contes�ed case provisions of liquor licenses. Sabes v. City of Minneapa "� their fi
Minn.Stat. §�, 14.57 �0 14.70 (1982), Minne- ��s, 265 Minn. 166, 120 N.W.2d 871 (1963); §§ 14.48
� cf. Wajda v. City of Minneapolis,310 Minn. General
sota s Administrative Procedure Act(APA),
were followeli; and,(2) whether the APA 339, 246 N.W.2d 455 (1976). vised thE
requires the lappointment of a hearing ex- hearing
[6] A closer question is whether a hear- duct hea
aminer to conduct initial liquor license reva ing examiner should have been appointed to '
cation proceedings. Our discussion is brief �nduct initial liquor license revocation pra pension
because division in bhe court centered only ceedings. We emphasize the word initial to � , Op.Atty�
upon the hearing ex�miner issue. relate an important point about the role of f ' nicipaliti
[1-5] BeEore a liquor license may be re- hearing examiners: their functions are sub- �; guidancE
voked in Mi�lnesota,,a licensee is entitled to ordinate to a reviewing agency's (in this � � �rney I
a hearing pursuant to the sections of the case, the city oouncil's) power. A hearing we are �
the tru
APA mentiolned abave.i Minn.Stat. § 340.- examiner presides at meetings and makes Minn.St�
135(1982). 'We are satisfied that notice and recommendations for decision. But the city cou
hearing requirements were amply met in agency is not bound by the findings and referenc
this case. 'A notice of a public hearing recommendations of the hearing examiner. ;� sumed
before the cfty council was sent to plaintiffs K. Davis, Administrative Law Text, § 10.07 that the
on July 8, 1982. �'he notice des�ribed the (3rd ed. 1972). In this sense, the relation- ' its opini
ordinance v�olation�(an afterittoura diaplay ship differs from that of an appellate court �, cil's acti
of akohol, Itnd inc�Oent exposure by male reviewing a lower court's findings of fact:
3. Minn
1. The noti�e and h�aring requirements outlined § 310:06, subd. 2(� (1�1). Plaintiffs alleged .i.h
by the APIA rise above those constitutionally that notice was inadequate to inform them of u��
mandated. Under Minnesota law, there is no this possible ground for revocation. While the liqua
property r}ght in a liquor license. Country Lr- written notice was not as speciflc as it could ceed
quors,Inc: v. City Coancil of Minneapoiis,264 ���,vnt are convinekd that ptaintiffs had upon
N.W.2d 8�1,826(Pviinn.1978), quoting Arens v. actual n�ice--�both by prevlous mcetings wtth hold�
Viilage of Rogers, 240 Minn. 386, 401, 61 n���rhood residents, the license inspector, ble :
N.W.2d 508, 519, appeal dismissed, 347 U.S. �ty casncil members,`and the mayor—that to irr
949, 74 S.Ct. 680,98 L.Ed. 1096(1954): "[N]o pudge'c l�usinecs was creating aerious prob-
person ha�a vested property right to engage in lems in the sv�rounding neighborhood. The �G
or continme to engage in the liquor business." ���ny,�t tha lioenees would be revoked , ���
2. Atter �ctensivef evfdence was introduced, for this reason was diacussed at the putilic to 1�
ptaintlifa pu4�te�d to the two aforemetttioned ��nB• Under these circumstances, we have (Empb
ordinan violati0ns. '12�e city eonneil-also no difficulty upholding the city council's deci-
found t the a�Nvitits of the Hcensee also sion against arguments that the decision was 4. As tl
created serioua Idanger fio public health,safe- based on inadequate notice and was arbitrary sions c
ty,and elfare. '�'his tAnstitutes an addItional and capricious. See,Sabes v. City of Minneap- to the.
ground r adver�e action against a licensce in oGs, 265 Minn. 166, 120 N.W.2d 871 (1963). demon
S� Poul St Phul, Minn. Legtslatiee Code ences
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for which an agency could make new findings and aminer. The statute, by incorporating the ` ('
ses might decide contrary to the hearing examiner's contested case procedures, brought notice '�I'�j
that com- � recomi+nendation. Id. at § 10.04. A hear- and hearing requirements to an area noted !i.;j
;nts near 4' ing examiner takes no power away from an for its irregularity of process. Many juris- Ijl'�
aring held ` agenc�. dictions had no notice or hearing require- �! ,
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. Council '.�' The historical background and function of inents, nor were these constitutionally re- ;,
aided on �` hearinlg examiners aids in analysis of legis- quired. See, Annot., 35 A.L.R.2d 1067 { ; ;
�y. After ;� lative intent involved in Minn.Stat. § 340: (1954). Nor did Minnesota municipalities j
both ad- 135 (1J82).3 Since 1975,contested case pra have procedures for liquor license revcea- � ',`!
the city >; visions of the APA have provided the proce- tions matching the finely detailed notice ` ; :
�ke plain- �! dural framework within which governing and hearing requirements of the APA. ; � ;
:cision, as � autharities may revoke or suspend liquor See, e.g., St. Paul, Minn. Legislative Code r i:;
discretion l licenses. Section 340.135, however, never § 308.14(1976); Duluth, Minn. Legislative � '�!
3etermine -
expli¢itly incorporated the sections of the Code § 8-68 (1959) (automatic revocation j ';
�cation of ApA;pertaining to hearing examiners, and upon conviction of the licensee of a gross ; ;��
Kinneapo- their functions and duties, Minn.Stat. misdemeanor or felony). Imposition of con- � 'Iji
71 (1963); 1 §§ 1�.48 to 14.56 (1982)9 The Attorney tested case procedures on widely varying i 'li�
310 Minn. Gengral found this omission teliing, and ad- procedures usually applicable for liquor I �I�
� vised the Minneapolis City Attorney that no license revceations did bring uniformity— '�j�
a hearing examiner need be appointed to con- and this,we believe,was its intended result. : i`
�r a hear- >���
w. duct'hearings concerning revocation or sus-
winted to { [7] To go one step further—to say hear- I�
a pension of an intoxicating liquor license.
3tion pro- � ing examiners are necessary before a liquor ;�
Op.Atty.Gen., 218g-14, Nov. 5, 1976. Mu-
initial to ' license can be revoked in Minnesota cities �
fi nicipalities in Minnesota have followed this
ie role of �t statewide--comports neither with past in-
guidance ever since. And although the At-
s are su� �� torney General opinion is not controlling, �r`Pretation of section 340.135, nor with •'
� m this #. what we believe this section sou ht to at-
� we are rsuaded that this o inion reflects g `!�
� hearing � � p ta.in, nor with the historical functions of
id makes � the true legislative intent embodied in hearin examiners. Our inte retation of
? Minn.Stat. § 340.135 S Similarly, when the g �
But the � city council incorporated section 340.135 by legislative intent leads to the following
ings and holding: Minn.Sta.t. § 340.135 dces not re-
reference in its ordinance, it may be pre-
+xaminer. � sumed that it intended the construction 9uire the appointment of a hearing examin-
t,§ 10.07 � that the Attorney General had advised in er to conduct initial liquor license revoca- ',�
relation- tion proceedings 6 '".;;
;. its opinion. This is manifested by the coun-
ate court j cil's action in not appointing a hearing ex- Affirmed. ''
� of fact: � ;,u
' 3. Minn.Stat. § 340.135(1982),provides: S. Corroborative of this analysis is the fact that ;��{
fs alleged � The authority issuing or approving any t1'ie legislature has never amended Minn.Stat ,;h
n them of 340.135 to s cificall mandate use of hear ��!
While the license or permit pursuant to the intoxicating § � Y •
s it could liquor act may either suspend for not to ex- ing examiners—despite a suggestion in a dis- ;�
intiffs had ; ceed 60 days or revoke such license or permit sent in Flame Bar, Inc. v. City of Minneapolis, '.;�
upon a finding that the licensee or permit 295 N.W.2d 586 (Minn1980) (Justices Yetka ;�,
tings with ; and Scott, dissenting) that hearing examiners !;c
inspector, holder has failed to comply with any applica-
ble statute, regulation or ordinance relating be appointed. The majority opinion rested ',
yor—that ' to intoxicating liquor. No suspension or rev- upon a jurisdictional ground, and never !i
�us prob- 'i ' ocation shall take effect unti!the licensee or reached the hearing examiner issue. The legis-
wd. T'he � � lative inaction—in the face of some confu- !i
� revoked i ; permit holder has been afforded an opportu-
nit for a hearin pursuant to secGons 14.57 sion—is indicative, we believe, of a position ,i
he public Y g favoring the nonappointment of hearing exam- �
, we have I to 14.70. ��
(Emphasis suppliedJ iners.
cil's deci- I�
ision was i 4� As the dissent correctly notes, certain provi- 6. Even if we were inclined to read such a re-
azbitrary sions of the contested case procedure do refer quirement into Minn.Stat. § 340.135, the facts
Minneap- ' to these sections, but our further discussion of the case suggest a waiver of the right to
'I (1963). I i demonstrates why we do not think these refer- have initial prceeedings before a hearing exam-
, ences are dispositive of the issue. iner. Plaintiffs, assisted by counsel, had more
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615 University Avenue, St. Paul, Minnesota
GxBETINGS: �
YOU 1►RE HEREBY COI�II�I►NDED to lay aside all your bu�iness and ezcuses and to
appear before Richard A. Mosman, Administrative Law Judge
of the Office of J►dmfnistrative Hearinqs of the State of Minnesota at
Room 316, R�msey County Courthouse
in the City of S�. Paul , Ramsey _ County,
Minnesota, on t;he 13th day of September , ig90
at 9: 00 o'clock in the fore noon, to appear as a witness in
the matter of the Y�icense of the Wabasha Bar
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YOU ARE FU�THER COI�SANDED to brinq and have with you, to be used as
evidence in the hearinq, if required, the followiag:
Pursuant to the authority qranted in Minn. Stat. § 14.51, Witness, the
8onorable Willi;am G. Bro�+n, Chief Administrative Law Judge, at
Minneapolis, Mi�nnesota, this llth day of September _, 19 90 ,
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Chief Administrative Law Judqe
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Suite 1040
First Rank Plaee 44est
Mirtneapolis, iVlinnesot� 55402
IN RE: Lieenses of �tiabasha B�r
He&ring Date: September 13, 1990
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As you are &warQ, I have been retained to represent the li��ns� hoider irt the
above refereneed matter. Tho hearing in tt�is �ase is sehedul�d to resume on
'fhurscP�ty of this week.
Pt�rsuant to Ftule 1400.?t1U4 of ttte .Vllritl�Sbt& Code oP Rul�s, t r�m cequesting
. the issuan�e of � subpoen& to seeure the �ttendanee of [�ffieer Joz Jcnkiizs ��t
the hea�•ing on 'f'h�.irr�]ay.
Offirer .Tenkins is � memher �F the Saint .Pai�i Poliee Pepartment who, until
Jantiar� 1 0l� this ye�r, h�,d been e�ssigned to pt�trdl the are�s 4n a��d around
the lieense holder's establishment. C7fficer Jenkins' testimony is neCt'ss�ry to
rebut th� City's all�gationg in tFii� m�tter, t�ffic�er .7enkitt�' h�,�ir�e�s adc�r?:s
is the �a.int paul 4�o1i�4 Uepazrtm�nt, Northwest '1'�Am, 615 C'��iversity Avenue,
St. Paul, :Vlittinesota. ��iven the time constraints, I would apF�:ec:'�te it if the
Offiee Qf Adrninistro,tive Hearings would contt�ct nie wher� f�.e ��;b���ena i� ready
so that I tnay make arrangements ta piek it up and i�r�ve it s,�.vt�d on the offi�Fr,
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MAYOR E�L"�a'„(tG
August 1, 1990
Loretta F. H,artman, President
B A L, Inc. , dba Wabasha Bar
427 Wabasha Street South
Saint Pau1, Minnesota 55107
Al1en C. Hartman, Manager
677 E. Hyacinth Street
Saint Paul, Minnesota 55106
NOTICE OF HEARING
RE: In re t1�e L�censes of the Wabasha Bar
Dear Mrs. Hartm�n and Mr. Hartman:
This is to �oti�y you that the hearing will be held concerning all
the licenses h�ld at the premises stated above at the following
time, date and �lace:
Dater S�eptember 7, 1990
Time: 9:00 a.m.
Place: City Hall Annex
Room 1503
25 West Fourth Street
St. Paul, MN 55102
The judge will be an Administrative Law Judge from the State of
Minnesota Office of Administrative Hearings:
Name: Richard A. Mosman
Suite 1040
First Bank Place West
Minneapolis, MN 55402
Telephon�: 339-1515
The Counc�il of the City of Saint Paul has the authority to provide
for hearii�gs concerning licensed premises, and for adverse action
against sU�ch licenses, under Chapter 310, including sections 310.05
and 310. OI6, of the Saint Paul Legislative Code. In the case of
licenses for intoxicating and non-intoxicating liquor, authority
is also conveyed by section 340A.415 of the Minnesota Statutes.
Adverse alction may include revocation, suspension, fines and other
penalties or conditions.
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In this particular case, the License Inspector will recommend that
all of the liicens�s you hold at the premises of the Wabasha Bar be
revoked. Evidence will be presented to the judge which may lead to
revocation and/or other adverse action against all the licenses you
hold at the above premises as follows:
1. on April 14, 1990, in the late evening, two
intoxicated persons in close proximity to the licensed
premises, engaged in a loud and vociferous attack on
another person, requiring the police to be called to
restore peace.
2. On April 18, 1990, two undercover police officers
purchased strong beer off sale from a bartender in the
bar. The bar only has an off sale malt license. The bar
received a three-day suspension on December 19, 1989, for
the same offense. This constitutes a violation of
sections 409. 01, 409.07, and 410. 01 of the Saint Paul
Legislative Code.
3 . On April 26, 1990, in the early evening hours,
two intoxicated persons in close proximity to the
licensed p�emises, engaged in public oral sex which was
observed b�Y small children.
4 . On �June 10, 1990, there was a fight in front of
the bar.
5. Onl June 16, 1990, at about 12 :45 a.m. in the
mornin�g, t�0,�o people walked out of the bar with a beer in
their hands. The licensee did not take reasonable steps
to prevent them from doing so.
6. On June 22, 1990, most of those persons exiting
the bar were seen to be obviously and extremely
intoxicated, and this is a pattern common to all of the
incidents specifically mentioned in this letter, and
observed by neighbors repeatedly.
7. On June 22 and 23, 1990, after about 10:00 p.m.
on each evening, patrons of the licensee were standing
around in the front of the bar drinking from cans of beer
purchased in the bar and taken outside by them. The
licensee did not take reasonable steps to prevent that
from happening.
8 . On June 29, 1990, patrons of the licensed
: establishment brought their drinks out of the bar onto
the sidewalk in front of the bar, and the licensee did
not take reasonable steps to prevent that from happening.
On that date, two intoxicated patrons urinated in public
shor�ly after leaving the establishment; and other
patrbns were seen to leave in an extremely intoxicated
condition.
9. On July 1, 1990, six people were standing outside
the bar on the sidewalk and the street from about 1:00
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to 1:45 a.m. drinking beer, carrying on a loud
conversation, and one person urinated in public. The
discarded containers were thrown on the sidewalk and
street. The licensee did not take reasonable steps to
prevent them from leaving the bar with the containers of
beer.
10. On July 1, 1990, patrons came out of the bar
with beer cans. Others came out, urinated outside the bar
and went back in.
11. On July l, 1990, a group of disorderly persons, many
of whom were bar patrons, congregated in a small park near
the bar.
12 . Or� July 6, 1990, on two separate times between
11: 00 p.m. and 1: 00 a.m. , loud disturbances with
screaming and shouting were created by obviously
intoxicated persons in the near vicinity of the licensed
premises, and who had exited from the licensed premises.
13 . Oi� July 6, 1990, persons were seen at several
times to carry drinks or containers out of the bar and
drink from; them in front of the bar.
1;4 . Qn July 11, 1990, in the early morning, the
entir� area in front of the bar, on the sidewalk and in
the si�reet, was littered with beer cans and trash from
patror�s o� the bar congregating the night before. This
parti�ulan date is but one example of the usual daily
appearance of the bar.
15. On July 14, 1990, obviously intoxicated persons
were �een to leave the bar in the evening hours, some of
whom created disturbances to the peace of the
neighborhood.
16. On July 15, 1990, persons were going in and out
of thie licensed establishment with drinks in their hands.
At closing time, people left the licensed premises with
drinks in their hands, a situation which was known to
the licensee and/or his employees, and took them to their
vehicles. Several fights broke out outside the bar during
the �vening hours. �
17. Further testimony from witnesses will establish
that the foregoing specific incidents are not isolated,
: but are typical of many other such incidents that they
have�� obs�:rved.
' 18. IThe operation of the bar over the past twelve
months maintains or permits conditions which constitute
a nuxs o the neighborhood under section 310.06(b) (8)
of the S�int Paul Legislative Code, in that its operation
and patrons unreasonably annoy, injure and endanger the
safety, health, morals, comfort and repose of a
considerable number of inembers of the public.
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19. The operation of the bar over the past twelve
months has violated the terms and conditions under which
its license was granted on August 10, 1989, in C.F. No.
89-1080, which requires that the licenseholder monitor
the door at closing to prevent customers from exiting the
bar with any glass or bottled beverage containers,
requires the licensee to prevent loitering on the
premis�s, and requires the licensee to call the police
whenever any apparent illegal activity is observed.
20. Leaving the bar with containers of alcoholic
beverages also violates section 409.08 (16) of the Saint
Paul Legislative Code.
You have the ri,ght to be represented by an attorney before and
during the hearing if you so choose, or you can represent yourself.
You may also have a person of your choice represent you, to the
extent not prohibited as unauthorized practice of law.
The hearing wil� be conducted accordance with the requirements of
sections 14 . 57 to 14 . 62 of the Minnesota Statutes, and such parts
of the procedures under section 310.05 of the Saint Paul
Legislative Cod�e as may be applicable.
At the hearing,! the Administrative Law Judge will have all parties
identify themse;lves for the record. Then the City will present its
witnesses and evidence, each of whom the license or attorney may
cross-examine. ' The licensee may then offer in rebuttal any
witnesses or evidence it may wish to present, each of whom the City
attorney may cross-examine. The Administrative Law Judge may in
addition hear relevant and material testimony from persons not
presented as witnesses who have substantial interest in the outcome
of the proceeding; for example, the owners or occupants of property
located in close proximity to the licensed premises may have
substantial interest in the outcome of the proceeding. Concluding
arguments may be made by the parties. Following the hearing, the
Judge will pr�pare Findings of Fact, Conclusions of Law, and a
specific recommendation for action to be taken.
You shoul.d bring to the hearing all documents, records and
witnesses you will or may need ta support your position. Subpoenas
may be available to compel the attendance of witnesses or the
production of documents in conformity with Minnesota Rules, part
1400.7000.
If you think that this matter can be resolved or settled without
a formal �earing, please contact or have your attorney contact the
undersignied. If a stipulation or agreement can be reached as to
the facts�, that stipulation will be presented to the Administrative
Law Judg� for incorporation into his or her recommendation for
Council alction.
If you fail �o appear at the hearing, the allegations against you
which have been stated earlier in this notice may be taken as true
and your ability to challenge them forfeited. If non-public data
is received into evidence at the hearing, it may become public
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unless objection is made and relief requested under Minnesota
Statutes, seation 14. 60, subdivision 2.
Very Truly Yours,
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PHILIP . BYRNE
Assistant City Attorney
cc: Robert Kessler
Actin,g License Inspector
Albert B. Olson
City Clerk
Paige F#urcej�l
Office of' Administrative Hearings
Lt. Nancy DiPerna
Vice Unit
Community Organizer
Ms . Darlene Schiller
West Side Citizens Organization
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TO C1if�ord � Kelly, St. Paul Police Department
GREETINGSs •�
YOU 1►RE HBRgBY C01�9�SANDED to lay aside all your busiaeas and e:cuse� and to
appear before � Richard Mosman, Administrative Law Juc�qe
of the Office af 7►dminiatrative Bearings of the State of Minnesota at
City Hall Ann�x, Room 1503, 25 �aest 4th Street _
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in the C�tY of St. P�ul , Itamsey _ Countv,
Minnesota, oa tche �th day of September , lg 90
at 9� �� o'clock in the fore noon, to appear as a witness in
the matter of t-hP License of the Wabasha Bar
YOU l►RE FURTHER COIr4rSANDED to brinq and have with you, to be used as
evidence in the hearing, if required, the followinq:
Pursuant to the authority qranted in Minn. Stat. � 14.51, witness, t2xe
Eonorable William G. Bror+n, Chief J►dministrative Laa Judqe, at
Minneapolis, Minnesota, this 31st day of August , 19�Q_.
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Chief J18ministrative Lai+ Judqe
612/3�1-7600
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MONTPETIT, FREILING & KRANZ
ATTORNEYS AT LAW
211 NORWEST BANK BUILDING
161 NOFTH CONCORD EXCHANGE
SOUTH ST. PAUL, MINNESOTA 55075-1139
JOEL A.MONTPETIT TELEPHONE: (612)450-9000
SHARON L.FREILING
WILLIAM J.KRANZ TELECOPIER-FAX:(612)450-9478
DAVID A.MARLOW•
�ADMITTEDINWtSCONSIN AUgUSt s3O, 1990
Honorable Richar.d A. Mosman
Suite 1040 HAND DELIVERED
First Bank Place W est
Minneapolis, Minnesota 55402
IN RE: Licenses of Wabasha Bar
Hearing Date: September 7, 1990
Dear Judge Mosman:
I have been retained to represent the license holder in the above referenced
matter. This case is scheduled for hearing before you on September 7, 1990
at 9:00 a.m. in Room 1503 of the City Hall Annex, 25 West Fourth Street in
St. Paul.
Pursuant to Rule 1400.7000 of the Minnesota Code of Rules, I am requesting
the issuance of a subpoena to secure the attendance of Officer Clifford Kelly
at the hearing in this matter.
Officer Kelly is a member of the Saint Paul Police Department who has been
assigned to patrol the areas in and around the license holder's establishment.
Officer Kelly has been involved with police calls to the license holder's
establishment and the surrounding neighborhood. His testimony is necessary to
rebut the City's allegations in this matter.
Officer Kelly's business address is the Saint Paul Police Department, 1441 Rice
Street (Rice & Arlington), Saint Paul, 1Viinnesota. The subpoena should direct
that he appear at the hearing place and time.
If anything further is needed, please advise. Given the time restraints, I would
appreciate it if you could have your office contact me when the subpoena is
ready �o I may make arrangements to pick it up and have it served.
Thank ;you.�for your attention to this matter.
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Very truly yours,
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October 30, 1990
29. Resafution - 90-1914 - approving the application for renewal of On-Sale-Liquor,
On-Sale-Sunday Liquor, Entertainment-3, Restaurant-B and Gambling Location-
B Lieense by LARO Inc. dba Patrick's Lounge at 1318 W. Larpenteur Avenue. .
Cour�cilmember Rettman said that staff of the License Division made her aware
of a letter that they received in regard to some of the stipulations that were
add�d and not addressing some of the neighborhood concerns and moved that
this item be laid over two weeks to tighten the stipulations.
Roll call on the motion to lay over two weeks.
Adopted. Yeas - 7 Nays - 0
Laid over to November 13th. �
30. Re$olution - 90-1893 - approving application for On-Sale-Sunday Liquor and
Restaurant License in conjunction with On-Sale Liquor Club License for
Anderson-Nelson VFW Post #1635 at 648 E. Lawson Avenue.
Councilmember Goswitz moved for a two week lay over.
Adopted. Yeas - 7 Nays - 0
Laid over to November 13th.
31. R�solution - 90-1915 - approving/denying application for State Class-B Gambling
Li�ense by Give, Inc. at Ryan's, 201-4th Street E.
No one appeared in opposition.
Councilmember Thune moved approval of the resolution.
adopted. Yeas - 7 Nays - 0
32. Resolution - 90-1916 - approving/denying application for Class-B Gambling
Location License for T R Enterprises Inc. dba Ryan's at 201-4th Street East.
No one appeared in opposition.
Councilmember Thune moved approval of the resolution.
Adopted. Yeas - 7 Nays - 0
33. Resolution - 90-1917 - approving/denying application for Gambling Manager's
License by Michael Michitsch dba Give, Inc., at Ryan's, 201-4th Street E.
No one appeared in opposition.
Councilmember Thune moved approval of the resolution.
Adopted. Yeas - 7 Nays - 0
�� Report of the Administrative Law Judge including Findings of Fact, Conclusion
of Law and Recommendations in the matter of adverse hearing involved in
licenses held by BAL,Inc. dba The Wabasha Bar at 427 So. Wabasha Street.
Phil Byrne, Assistant City Attorney reviewed the case and explained his Written
Exceptions to the Findings of Fact. He said there is more than enough evidence
to revoke the licenses and evidence to sustain an appeal. He said by the sale
of �trong beer, and beer taken out of the bar by patrons, the licensee did not
take reasonable steps to prevent problems. He further enumerated details of
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the reports he filed and said the time has run out for the licensee and urged
Council to revoke the licenses and adopt the conditions of the Appendix. He
said the recommendation of the License Division is to revoke the licenses.
At questions about the matrix system, Jane McPeak, City Attorney said the ALJ
report is simply a recommendation and the matrix can be adjusted up or down.
There was �ome discussion about what constitutes a public nuisance.
Joel Nlontp�tit, attorney and representative of the licensee gave a history of the
Wabasha Bar. He spoke of the Off-Sale purchase and a sign showing 3.2 and
lite b�er and he said his client thought they were the same kind of beer. He
spok� of the ALJ's findings and the testimony received and said the officers
have no v�sted interest in the business and recommended the Findings of the
ALJ be adopted with exception of Finding #4 and he said he thinks a
suspension is sufficient.
Councilm�mber Thune pointed out this is a residential area.
Councilmember Dimond referred to people walking to the bar with a drink in their
hands.
Councilmember Long compared this to Pudge's Bar and asked about the
differenc�.
Mr. Montpetit said the findings do not show there is evidence the problems are
attributed to the Wabasha Bar.
Councilmember Maccabee said the only question is whether or not this is a
nuisance.
Ms. McPeak said all you need do is to find evidence to this particular bar.
N�r. Byrne said this bar is a nuisance and he said Mr. Kessler said at the ALJ
hearing that if there are other bars that constitute a public nuisance they will
t�ke similar action. He said the neighbors testified they are convinced the
problems were caused by patrons of this bar He said this a Council decision
and the Council is not bound by the ALJ report. He further answered questions
of Cowncil pertaining to lite beer.
Coun�il President Wilson referred to an October '89 report and it was noted that
it was part of the record.
Councilmember Thune moved to close the public hearing.
Roll �all on the motion to close the hearing.
Adopted. Yeas - 7 Nays - 0
After further discussion about the sale of beer, testimony of citizens, number of
complaints to the police, Councilmember Thune proposed and moved revocation
and read the amended Findings of fact and said it is the owner's responsibility
to take care of the premises. He urged adopting the Findings of Fact and
revoking all licenses.
Councilmember Dimond spoke in support of the motion and said the surrounding
bars have not had as many complaints filed.
(Discussion continued on following page)
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(Discussior� continued from previous page)
Councilmember Long supported the motion and said the bar was ripping apart
the neighborhood and said he did not see the need for more proof of nuisance.
Councilmember Maccabee said she can support the motion if they will append
exhibits #9, 10, 11, 12 & 15 to the record.
Councilmember Goswitz said he would support the motion for revocation of all
licemses.
Councilmember Rettman said the facts are clear and compelling and it is real
regrettable to put someone out of business.
Rol) call on the motion to revoke all licenses
Adopted. Yeas - 7 Nays -_0_
Cauncilmember Long moved suspension of the rules to consider a resolution
pertaining to district cooling.
Roll call on the motion to suspend the rules.
Adopted. Yeas - 7 Nays - 0
Resolution - 90-1938 - endorsing the concept of district cooling and supporting
development of system to serve downtown Saint Paul and requesting Ramsey
Gounty to participate in public-private partnership with the City and District
Energy Services to finance Phase 1 of the proposed cooling system.
Councilmember Long moved to lay it over one week to November 6th to allow
�onsideration by the Public Works Committee tomorrow.
Roll c�ll on the motion.
Adopted. Yeas - 7 Nays - 0
The meeting was thereupon adjourned.
ADJOU NED AT 10:5 .M.
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310 FOURTH AVENUE SOUTH
MINNEAPOLIS,MINNESOTA 55415
(612)341-7600
November 27, 1990
Albert B. Olson •
City Clerk
St. Paul City Council
386 City Hall
St. Paul , Minnesota 55102
Re: In the Matter of the Lieense of BAL, Inc. , d/b/a The Wabasha Bar; OAH
Docket No. 62-2101-4903-6.
Dear Mr. Olson:
The above-referenced matter is on appeal to the Court of Appeals.
Enclosed are the original and one copy of the transcript of Volume I
(September 7, 1990> and one copy of Volume II (September 13, 1990> . The
original transcript of Volume II was prepared previously and returned to you
with the record. The orlginal and one copy of each volume should be included
as a part of the record when you submit the record to the Court of Appeals.
I� you have any questions, please contact me at the number below.
Sincerely,
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SANDRA A. HAVEN
OfficP Services Supervisor
Telephone: 612/341-7642
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BAL, Inc . d/b/a
The Wabasha Bar,
427 South �Jabasha Street,
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Minn�sota Judicial Center
25 Constitution Avenue
St . Paul, MN 55155
An original and one copy of the proceedings in the above-entitled
action as requested by counsel for the Petitioner on November_ 13 , 1990,
was filed with the Clerk of the trial court on November 28, 1990 and a
copy transmitted promptly to the attorney for each part� to the appeal
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In the Matter of the License
of BAL, Inc. , d/b/a n �
The Wabasha Bar �„f
62-2101�4903-6 (City )
Administrative Law Judge: Richard A. Mosman
Date: aeptember 7 , 1990
Location: Conference Room 1503
�' �� Ci ty Hal 1 Annex
� St. Paul , Minnesota
TRANSCRIPT OF THE TESTIMONY
(VOLUME I )
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INDEX (Volume I )
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WITNESSES PAGES
For the City :
Sergeant Thomas Quinlan
Direct by Mr . Byrne 15 - 19
Cross by Mr . Montpetit 19 - 23
Re-direct by Mr. Byrne 23
Re-cross by Mr. Montpetit 24 - 25
Officer Molly Finnegan
Direct by Mr. Byrne 26 - 31
Cross by Mr. Montpetit 31 - 35
Re-direct by Mr. Byrne 35 - 36
Sergeant Mark Kempe
Direct by Mr . Byrne 37 - 39
Cross by Mr . Montpetit 39 - 42
Sergeant Donald Cavanaugh
Direct by Mr. Byrne 43 - 59
Cross by Mr. Montpetit 59 - 64
Re-direct by Mr. Byrne 64 - 68
� Officer Robert Kosloske
Direct by Mr. Byrne 69 - 78
Cross by Mr. Montpetit 78 - 8�
Re-direct by Mr . Byrne 83 - 85
Examination by the Judge 85 - 86
Paula Sanchez
Direct by Mr . Byrne 86 - 109
Cross by Mr. Montpetit 110 - 124
Re-direct by Mr. Byrne 124 - 125
Joe Hoover
' Direct by Mr . Byrne 125 - 156
Cross by Mr . Montpetit 156 - 169
Re-direct by Mr. Byrne 169 - 171
Re-cross by Mr. Montpetit 171 - 172
Liz Alfveby
Direct by Mr. Byrne 172 - 183
, Cross by Mr. Montpetit 183 - 186
Timothy Keenan
Direct by Mr. Byrne 187 - 188
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INDEX ( Volume I cont. )
� WITNESSES PAGES
For the City :
Lance Boelter
Direct by Mr . Byrne 190 - 192
Cross by Mr. Montpetit 192 - 193
Re-direct by Mr . Byrne 193
Re-cross by Mr. Montpetit 194
Ja�es Bukowski
Direct by Mr. Byrne 194 - 205
227 - 228
Gregory Lichtin
Direct by Mr. Byrne 205 - 219
Cross by Mr . Montpetit 220 - 226
Re-direct by Mr. Byrne 226 - 227
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EXHIBITS
� City ' s �xhibits
1 - Notice of Hearing
2 - Chapter 310 of St. Paul legislative code
3 - Chapter 409 of St. Paul legislative code
4 - Chapter 410 of St. Paul legislative code
5 - Certified copy of license records of Wabasha Bar
6 - City Council Resolution 89-1080
7 - City Council Resolution 89-2222
8 - Report of ALJ regarding Resolution 89-2222
9 - Police report
10 - Police report
11 - Police report
� 12 - Police report
13 - NOT RECEIVED
14 - Six pack of Miller Lite
15 - Printout of police calls to Wabasha Bar
16 - Information and complaint office form
17 - Information and complaint office form
Respondent' s Exhibits
1 �hru 5 - Photographs of the area of the Wabasha Bar
6 - Map of area of the Wabasha Bar
7 � Map of area of the Wabasha Bar
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Mr. Philip B. Byrne
Assistant City Attorney
City of St. Paul
647 City Hall
St. Pau1 , MN 55102
On beha 1 f of the C i ty of St. Pau 1 ,
Mr. Joen Montpetit
Attorney at Law
211 Norwest Bank Building
161 N. Concord Exchange
South S�t. Paul , MN 55075
On behal f of the L i censee.
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1 THE JUDGE: Good morning. My name is Richard
2 Mosman and I 'm the Administrative Law Judge assigned to hear
3 thQ case this morning with regard to the license of the
4 Wabasha Bar.
5 Gentleman, for the purposes of the record and also to
6 allow me to test my microphones, would you please identify
7 yourself and state your client.
8 MR. BYRNE: Thank you, Your Honor. My name
9 Philip Byrne, B-Y-R-N-E, Assistant City Attorney. In this
10 matter I represent the license division of the City of St.
! 11 Paul .
12 THE JUDGE: Mr. Montpetit?
13 MR. MONTPETIT: Represent the licensee, BAL,
14 Inc. , Your Honor, my name is Joel Montpetit, 211 Norwest
15 Bar�k, 3outh St. Paul . Also present this morning, Your
16 Honor, is Mr. Allen C. Hartman, who is the manger of the
17 facility.
18 THE JUDGE: Okay. Thank you, gentleman. Do
19 we have -- are we ready to proceed then?
20 , MR. BYRNE: Yes, we are, Your Honor.
21 � THE JUDGE: Opening statements, Mr. Byrne?
22 I MR. BYRNE: Thank you, Your Honor. Your
23 Hoinor, this is a hearing which through the orderly process
� 24 of' an Administrative Law Judge hearing seeks to bring
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1 ultimately to the attention of the City Council of the City
2 of St. Paul facts which will establish that this license
3 holder has first violated the terms and conditions that were
4 placed on his license when it was renewed in August of last
5 year. Secondly, through his ineffective and inefficient
6 marragement of the licensed premises, has allowed the bar to
7 become a severe nuisance in the neighborhood.
8 It's not a matter in which he is a helpless pawn or
9 unable to control matters, but one that is fostered by the
10 way in which he chooses to operate his business.
� 11 This business additionally was subject to a three-day
12 suspension in December of 1989 for selling strong beer off-
13 sal�e, and despite that, among the charges here today is a
14 second offence of that kind.
15 Because of that and because of the serious impact that
16 this bar has had on the neighborhood, the license inspector
17 is recommending revocation of this license. He is going to
18 ask you and does ask you, the Administrative Law Judge in
19 this matter, to make that recommendation to the City
20 Council . And when this matter is considered by the City
21 Council will in addition ask them to follow his or consider
22 his recommendation in that regard.
23 After Mr. Montpetit has had an opportunity to make an
� 24 opening remark, if he wishes, I have a number of exhibits
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1 that I would offer before calling the first witness.
2 THE JUDGE: Fine. Thank you, Mr. Byrne. Mr.
3 Montpetit, please.
4 MR. MONTPETIT: Thank you, Your Honor. Your
5 Honor, the City has alleged that my client has violated
6 certain terms and conditions of its license. More
7 specifically, it's taking the position that these violations
8 consisted of not monitoring the door at closing to prevent
9 customers from exiting the bar with drinks. Secondly, not
10 taking steps to prevent loitering on the premises. Thirdly,
, 11 requiring the bar to call the police when any illegal
12 activity is observed. And lastly, from selling, you know,
13 intoxic�ting -- not selling intoxicating malt liquor.
14 In addition to those violations, which again are terms
15 and conditions of the license, the City has alleged that in
16 sixteen separate incidents there have been other direct
17 violations which go to the St. Paul City Code Section
18 310.068, constituting a nuisance.
19 I ' d like to, just for purposes of clarification, cite
20 tha�t particular section. It indicates that shall not
21 purportQdly unreasonably annoy, injure or endanger the
22 safety, health, morals, comfort or repose of any, and I
23 emphasize the following, considerable numbers of the public
� 24 in contravention to that section.
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1 Sixteen separate incidents, evidence will show -- our
2 evidence will show that in a typical night in that bar
3 there's only ten or fifteen people there the entire evening.
4 We don 't feel that the City is going to be in a position to
5 shaw that this is -- violates a considerable number of
6 members of the public.
7 Also we expect our evidence to show, Your Honor, that
8 my client has operated within the terms and conditions of
9 his permit, that he's taken reasonable steps to prohibit the
10 kinds of activity that the City was concerned about. That
� 11 he in fact implemented practices and procedures and that his
12 employees have followed those practices and procedures to
13 prevent patrons from loitering and taking drinks from the
14 bar.
15 On� of the allegations is that in one particular
16 instance, and as I recall , one of the officers is going to
17 tes�tify to this, that a patron somehow or another got a
18 drink outside the bar and that witnesses have seen people
19 "sneaking" drinks out of the bar and there have been
20 instances of loitering on the premises.
21 We expect our evidence to show that despite the fact
22 that we've taken steps and procedures� to prevent this
23 conduct, that it cannot be reasonably expected that the bar
� 24 can con�rol each and every instance, such as sneaking a
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1 drink out of the bar. That we've taken all the steps
2 necessary. If something -- we can't catch them all , is what
3 I 'r� trying to say, and I expect that the procedures and
4 practices that my client has implemented will be reasonable
5 and I e;xpect that the Court will agree.
6 With respect to working with the neighborhood people in
7 responding to citizen complaints, I 'm afraid that
8 reasonableness does not always prevail in the minds of the
9 neighbors as relates to a license holder, and i feel that
10 they have a single-minded goal , and that's to drive this
. 11 establishment out of business, which has been there for
12 abaut -- how many years?
13 MR. HARTMAN: About eighty years.
14 MR. MONTPETIT: That bar has been there for
15 eighty years. We also expect to introduce exhibits showing
16 the� nature of this neighborhood. This isn't exactly a
17 Hansel and Grettel neighborhood. We've got my client's
18 establishment at 427 South Wabasha, and we've got some
19 phatographs we'd like to introduce and show that this is not
20 a residential neighborhood. There are one or two apartment
21 residences near and around the facility, but that's about
22 it.
23 ' And again, we just would like to emphasize we expect
• 24 our evidence to show that the license holder has done
25 nothing that has unreasonably annoyed, injured or endangered
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1 the safety, health, morals, comfort or repose of any
2 considerable number of inembers of the public.
3 And for our witnesses we' re going to call two
4 bartenders, a police officer, Officer Clifford Kelly, who
5 pa�rols that area, a Patricia Garon, a neighboring business
6 person , Richard Thomas, a neighboring business person, Lee
7 Neihart, who made the purported illegal sale the night of
8 the -- non-intoxicating malt liquor, and Mr. Hartman
9 probably will testify and possibly the principal in BAL,
10 Inc. , Loretta Solon. That's all I have at this time, Your
. 1 1 Hon�or.
12 THE JUDGE: All right. Mr. Byrne, would you
13 like to proceed?
14 MR. BYRNE: Thank you, Your Honor. Your
15 Honor, I 'm handing to you a set of the pre-marked exhibits
16 that we have furnished to Mr. Montpetit this morning, and he
17 has had the police reports which are part of those exhibits
18 prior to this time. Let me just -- my intent is to offer
19 the entire group of exhibits at this point, and I ' ll just
20 run through them for the purpose of acquainting the Court
21 and�, Mr. Montpetit with those.
22 I First is the Notice of Hearing with the Affidavit of
23 Seryice. Second is the -- a copy of Chapter 310 of the St.
� 24 Pau� Legislative Code, which contains the hearing procedures
25 and the definition of nuisance that has been referred to,
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1 which is in Section 310 .06 B8. The third exhibit is the St.
2 Paul Le�islative Code Chapter 409, which contains the
3 intoxicating liquor provisions together with the penalty
4 matrix that sets out the presumptive penalties that will
5 apply in a case of certain violations. The fourth exhibit
6 is Chapter 410 , which is the non-intoxicating malt liquor
7 provisions of the Code, and that's included because of the
8 vialation involving the sale of strong beer when he was only
9 permitted to sell 3. 2 beer off-sale by the terms of his
10 license. The fifth exhibit is a certified copy of the
• 11 lic�nse records of the City of St. Paul showing which
12 licenses he has for this location. And basically, for the
13 purpose of this hearing of relevance is that he has Sunday
14 liquor on-sale and the off-sale malt license, which is the
15 3. 2 lic�nse. The sixth exhibit is a certified copy of a
16 City Council resolution, Resolution 89-1080 , which is the
17 resolution granting his license in August of 1989. And it
18 shows that the license is renewed at that time with certain
19 specific conditions which were required to be followed by
20 the lic�nse holder and which were -- we' ll be presenting
21 evi�ence to show that those conditions have been violated.
22 Exhibit 7 is a certified copy of City Council
23 Resdlution 89-2222 , which imposed a three-day suspension on
� 24 thi� license holder in December of 1989 . A part of this
25 resOlution, and expressly incorporated in the resolution was
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1 th� report of the Administrative Law Judge from that
2 he�ring, and that report is attached as Exhibit 8. So 7 and
3 8 actually go together, 8 is the ALJ report which should
4 have been part of the resolution.
5 Exhibit 9 -- Exhibit 9, 10, 11 and 12 are police
6 reports written by the four police officer witnesses who
7 will testify this morning. Each of them will be hear and
8 subject to cross examination. And it's my practice to seek
9 to introduce at all of these hearings the copy of the police
10 reports so that when the Council comes to review the record
� 11 of the hearing that they have available to them the reports,
12 as well as the opportunity to go back and review the
13 transcript or the tapes of the hearing.
14 Th�re is -- I have submitted to Mr. Montpetit and I
15 submit to the Court, there is a case, the Minneapolis case
16 of Sabis -- the Minnesota case of Sabis vs. City of
17 Minneaqolis, which indicates that police reports are
18 admissible at administrative hearings if they report the
19 pe�sona,l observations of the officers and that the inability
20 to ��cross examine is not as serious because they' re official
21 re�ords. In this case even that problem is removed because
22 weido h�ve the officers here and available.
23 ��, So I would offer all of the exhibits at this time.
� 24 THE JUDGE: Mr. Montpetit?
25 MR. MONTPETIT: Your Honor, I have no
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1 ob�ection to Exhibits 1 through 8 inclusive. With respect
2 to Exhibits 9 and 10, consisting of the police reports, I
3 would o!bject to the admission on the basis that if the
4 ofi�icers are going to be here and testify, that this is
5 cumulative evidence. They can use it to refresh their
6 memory, of course, but I can't imagine that they can get up
7 and testify, read from the reports and then attach the
S re{�orts at the same time.
9 I think the case that opposing counsel refers to deals
10 with situations wherein the officers are not present. I
� 11 don't recall if that exception went to a situation wherein
12 the off�cers were present and testified. I think when
13 they' re there and testifying that this evidence is
14 cumulative and I would object to its admission.
15 THE JUDGE: Well , we do have -- I 've not had
16 an opportunity review Mr. Byrne's brief, I presume you have.
17 MR. MONTPETIT: No, I haven't.
18 THE JUDGE: Have you had an opportunity to
19 revtiew these police reports?
20 MR. MONTPETIT: Yes, I have. Excuse me, Your
21 Honpr, the brief that you refer to, is that the one dated
22 tod�ys date?
23 MR. BYRNE: It's dated todays date. It's
� 24 exa�tly the same as the one that you had in a previous
25 matter as to the police report issue. It is -- I believe
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1 it's carrect, as Mr. Montpetit indicates, that in the Sabis
2 case th�e police officer witnesses were not present but the
3 reports were received. In this particular case the purpose
4 of having the reports is when the City Council sits down to
5 re�iew the record it will have your report together with
6 your findings and conclusions, it will have all the
7 documents and exhibits, it will have the tape recordings of
8 this hearing, and if they wish to actual pursue the
9 particular evidence of a particular witness, it seems to me
10 a convenience to the ultimate decision maker to have the
• 11 police reports available to them rather than to have to go
12 back through the testimony. And that's the purpose of doing
13 it.
14 THE JUDGE: Of course the concern is whether
15 it gets -- because of the laborious task of going through
16 tapes, that there is a risk that the documents without the
17 cross examination would get undue attention and thereby get
18 undue w�ight when the City Council considers it.
19 Wi�hout having had an opportunity to review the brief,
20 I think what I will do -- and because of the relaxed rules
21 of evid�nce that we enjoy in administrative hearings, I will
22 admit the police reports conditionally at this time, but I
23 wi11 rule on them at the end of the hearing based upon --
� 24 onc� I 've had an opportunity to review the brief and perhaps
25 tak� a look at the case and give it a little bit -- give
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1 my$elf a little longer opportunity to consider the matter
2 th�n I 've had at this time.
3 And, gentlemen, I will make a note to myself, and if
4 yo� will also please attempt to remind me not to omit that
5 ru� ing at the end of the hearing I would appreciate it.
6 MR. BYRNE: That's fine, Your Honor. Or if
7 you do omit to make that ruling I have no problem with you
8 making it as part of your findings and conclusions of law at
9 a later point. You don't have any problem with that, do you
10 Jo�l?
� 11 MR. MONTPETIT: No. The only thing is that
12 there may be some additional objections as relates to the
13 content� of the police reports. You' re talking about
14 obs�ervations that were made by the officers, no other
15 con�clusions or hearsay or something like that. Even though
16 assuming for a moment that opposing counsel 's position were
17 correct, there still may be some further objections as
18 relates to what is contained in the reports themselves.
19 THE JUDGE: And that will actually give me a
20 better opportunity to consider whether or not the documents
21 showld be received or perhaps excluded and leave the Council
22 to �he findings and the documents that are actually
23 intr�oduced here.
� 24 Okay. With that we will admit Exhibits 1 through 8,
25 and we will conditionally admit 9 and -- 9, 10, 11 and 12,
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1 th� police reports that are addressed in Mr. Byrne's
2 memorandum dated September 7th.
3 Okay. With that are we ready to proceed with
4 wi�nesses?
5 MR. BYRNE: Yes, Your Honor. I 'd call
6 Se�geant Tom Quinlan.
7 SERGEANT THOMAS QUINLAN
8 af�er being first duly sworn, testified as follows:
9 THE JUDGE: Your name, please?
10 THE WITNESS: Thomas Jerome Quinlan, !-U-I-
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12 THE JUDGE: Mr. Byrne.
13 DIRECT EXAMINATION
14 BY MR. SYRNE:
15 Q Sergeant Quinlan, you' re employed by the City of St.
16 Paul as a police sergeant, is that correct?
17 A That's correct.
18 Q And how long have you been a police sergeant?
19 A Three years.
20 Q Okay. You' re currently assigned to the vice unit.
21 A Th�t's right.
22 Q How long have you been with the vice unit?
23 A j For three years.
� 24 Q Ok�y. In the course of your duties with the vice unit
25 did you on Wednesday, April 18 of this year at about quarter
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1 to 8:00 in the evening have occasion to be in the Wabasha
2 Ba w�?
3 A Yes, I did.
4 Q What was the purpose of your going to that bar at that
5 time?
6 A I was with my partner and we were doing a check at the
7 Wabasha Bar to see if there was any liquor violations or any
8 other violations that we might observe there.
9 Q Ok�ay. Were you i n uni form?
10 A No.
. 11 Q Plain clothes?
12 A Plain clothes; blue jeans and probably a T-shirt.
13 Q Did you have anything to drink when you went in there?
14 A Yes.
15 Q What -- maybe you can just tell the Administrative Law
16 Judge what transpired when you went in the bar.
17 A We went in at about quarter to 8:00 in the evening.
18 And there was about seven people in the bar. We walked up,
19 sat at the bar as if we were just normal customers, and we
20 eac� ordered a Miller Lite beer. We noticed that the
21 cus�tomers in the bar called the bartender Lee, and Lee
22 ser!ved ws the beers. We sat and drank the beer and we
23 talked � little bit to the bartender, we talked a little bit
. 24 to a cowple of the customers that were in there. And we
25 each bowght a couple of beers as I recall .
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1 And then at about 9:00 o'clock I asked the bartender,
2 Lee, if I could buy a six-pack of Miller Lite beer to go.
3 And he hesitated for just a moment and then he said
4 something like, yeah, I can sell it to you.
5 Sa, he went back to the same cooler he had been serving
6 Miller Lite from over the bar, he took six cans of Miller
7 Lite out of that cooler, put it in a brown paper bag and
8 sold it to us. I paid him for the beer and we left.
9 Q Was the manager or owner, Mr. A1 Hartman, there at that
10 time?
� 11 A No, he wasn't.
12 Q Did you retain the six-pack that you purchased?
13 A Yes.
14 Q And did you bring that with you today?
15 A I did.
16 MR. BYRNE: Maybe we could have that marked
17 as City's Exhibit 14.
18 BY MR. BYRNE:
19 Q Sergeant Quinlan, I 've marked the property tag on the
20 sack th�re for identification as City's Exhibit 14. Is that
21 the; sack and in it are those the beers that you bought at
22 the' Wabasha Bar?
23 A ' Yes.
� 24 Q Would you take out one of those cans, please? Does
25 that display on it whether or not it's 3. 2 beer or strong
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2 A Na, it does not.
3 Q Haw do you make that identification of whether -- what
4 kind it is?
5 MR. MONTPETIT: Excuse me. I 'm going to
6 object to that as no foundation. The can speaks for itself.
7 I don't know that this witness is qualified to testify as to
8 what's strong beer and what isn't strong beer.
9 THE JUDGE: Well , for purposes of foundation
10 he can testify as to what he reads or does not read on the
. 11 can . Why don 't you just tell us, is there any indication on
12 there wMat the alcohol content is of the can, of the beer
13 inside the can?
14 THE WITNESS: No.
15 BY MR. �YRNE:
16 Q Sergeant Quinlan, in your work as a vice officer are
17 you fam� liar with and are you required to be familiar with
18 how cans are labeled to know whether it's strong beer or
19 3.2?
20 A Yes.
21 Q And what have you learned in the course of your work as
22 to which is what?
23 A In the State of Minnesota if beer is 3.2 beer, then
� 24 it's marked on the can as being 3.2 beer. If it's not
25 marked, it's strong beer.
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1 Q W�s that the situation on April 18th of this year?
2 A Y�s.
3 Q And those cans that you purchased are not marked, is
4 that correct?
5 A TMat's correct.
6 Q Sq that means from your experience and your knowledge
7 as a vice officer that what is in those is strong beer?
8 A That's correct.
9 MR. BYRNE: Your Honor, I 'd offer City's
10 Exhibi� 14.
� 11 THE JUDGE: Mr. Montpetit?
12 MR. MONTPETIT: No objection.
13 THE JUDGE: Received.
14 MR. BYRNE: I have no further questions.
15 Th�nk you, Sergeant.
16 THE JUDGE: Mr. Montpetit?
17 MR. MONTPETIT: Your Honor, in as much as you
18 have canditionally received the police reports in this
19 ma�ter, I 'd like to withdraw my objection to Sergeant
20 Quiinlan's report and have it received in evidence.
;
21 I MR. BYRNE: That would be City's Exhibit 12,
,
22 YoUr Honor.
23 I THE JUDGE: Exhibit 12 . Okay.
� 24 MR. BYRNE: And that consists of two pages.
25 It's both the police report and the property record.
SERGEANT THOMAS QUINLAN - CROSS 20
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1 THE JUDGE: All right. Exhibit 12 will be
2 received then at this time without objection.
3 CROSS EXAMINATION
4 BY MR. MONTPETIT:
5 Q Sergeant Quinlan, will you please take a look at that
6 can that I 've just handed you? What does that say on the
7 top of it?
8 A I� says, does not contain more than 3 . 2� alcohol by
9 weight.
10 Q So is that when you were referring to when you
i11 indicated that it's either 3.2 or strong?
12 A Yes. That marking like this would indicate that it's
13 3. 2 beer.
14 Q Okay. Taking a look at the side of the can where it
15 shows t�he contents, the analysis of the contents.
16 A Yes.
17 Q Do you see that?
18 A Yes.
19 Q I ' 11 ask you, sir, to take a look at that and also take
20 a look at what's been marked as an exhibit for the City and
21 tell me whether there's any difference in the analysis of
22 the con�ents of those two cans?
23 A No, it reads the same.
� 24 Q They' re identical , aren't they?
25 A Yes.
SERGEANT THOMAS QUINLAN - CROSS 21
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1 Q And with reference to the calories, which indicates
2 al�oholic content, they' re identical , aren't they?
3 A I don't know that calories indicate alcoholic content,
4 but there's ninety-six calories on each can, yes.
5 Q Now, showing you what's been marked as Exhibit -- City
6 Exhibi� #9 -- Your Honor, may I have that, please?
7 MR. BYRNE: You have a stack of those, Joel .
8 MR. MONTPETIT: Do I? Okay. Well , here --
9 MR. BYRNE: I just gave those to you this
10 morning.
� 11 MR. MONTPETIT: Okay. I 'm sorry . Mine are
12 marked up, that's why I didn't want to show him that. I 've
13 got it. Thanks, Judge. I 'm sorry, it's 12 , Exhibit 12 .
14 BY MR. MONTPETIT:
15 Q T�at is your police report. You' re the reporting
16 officer.
17 A Yes.
18 Q Wo�uld you read the third paragraph out loud?
19 A There is nothing on any of the cans to indicate the
20 be�r is 3. 2, it is therefore presumed to be strong beer and
21 as �lsuch was sold illegally .
22 Q And that's your authorship, it's presumed to be?
23 A � Yes.
� 24 Q �I Now, when you went into the Wabasha Bar, Sergeant
25 Quii,nlan, did you happen to notice the two large signs which
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SERGEANT THOMAS QUINLAN - CROSS 22
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1 indica�ed that off-sale beer was available?
2 A Yss. I remember seeing one at least.
3 Q Okay. And then you must remember that the sign said
4 3. 2 or light. Do you remember that?
5 A I do.
6 Q Did that indicate to you that 3.2 or light beer, that
7 whi'ch you purchased, was available legally?
8 A Legally or illegally?
9 Q Let me withdraw the question. Did that indicate to you
10 that either was available for off-sale?
� 11 A Yes.
12 Q And what you ordered was what was reflected on that
13 sign, correct, light beer?
14 A Yes.
15 Q Yow of your own knowledge, training and background
16 don't h�ve any idea what the alcohol content is in this 3. 2
17 can or this can that's unmarked either strong or 3. 2 , do
18 you?
19 A Well , I 've learned through my training and experience
20 that if it's not marked, then it's over 3 . 2 , strong beer.
21 Q ', But you' re not convinced that tells you what's actually
22 in �he can, are you, sir?
23 A I 'm reasonably convinced that --
� 24 Q If you read something on the label , that's got to be it
25 in �he can? I ' ll withdraw the question.
SERGEANT THOMAS QUINLAN - CROSS 23
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1 MR. MONTPETIT: I have no further questions.
2 THE JUDGE: Okay.
3 RE-DIRECT EXAMINATION
4 BY MR. BYRNE:
5 Q Sergeant Quinlan, when you make those observations on a
6 can you act on that as a police officer, isn't that correct?
7 A That's right.
8 Q And you make arrests and issue citations and conduct
9 police investigations based on your knowledge and what
10 you've learned to be true about the contents of beer cans,
� 11 isn't that correct?
12 A Th�t's correct.
13 Q Wh�n you say in your report that it's therefore
14 presumed to be strong beer, did you use the word presumed
15 because you had some doubt about the contents?
16 A I used the word presumed because as I was writing the
17 report I called the State Liquor Control and talked to an
18 agent and I asked him the question, I said I 'm just making
19 sure of this now that I 've got this right. I said in my
20 exp�rience I told him the way it was, and I said, isn't it
21 tru� that it's presumed to be strong beer if it's not
22 marked. And I was told, yeah, that's right. So that's why
23 I u�ed the word.
� 24 MR. BYRNE: Thank you, Sergeant Quinlan.
25 That's all I have.
SERGEANT THOMAS QUINLAN - RE-CROSS 24
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1 MR. MONTPETIT: Just a couple more.
2 RE-CROSS EXAMINATION
3 BY MR. MONTPETIT:
4 Q You say the Liquor Control Commission told you that
5 th�t was the presumption also?
6 A Yes.
7 Q What was your reaction when you saw a sign in the bar
8 that said 3. 2 or light, to the light portion, that which you
9 ordered and presumed to be strong beer?
10 A I didn't really have a reaction. I just ordered the
� 11 beer.
12 Q Did it occur to you that according to you that that was
13 an illegal sale and they' re advertising that sort of thing?
14 A It did occur to me.
15 MR. MONTPETIT: Yeah. Thank you.
16 THE JUDGE: Anything else?
17 MR. BYRNE: That's all . Thank you, Sergeant
18 Quinlan.
19 THE JUDGE: Just a second. Before you went
20 into th� Wabasha Bar did you know what kind of license the
21 Wab�sha Bar had issued or that the City Council had issued
22 to �he Wabasha Bar?
23 THE WITNESS: Yes.
� 24 THE JUDGE; What was your understanding of
25 the typ� of license the Wabasha Bar had on the day that you
SERGEANT THOMAS QUINLAN 25
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1 were in there?
2 THE WITNESS: My understanding was that they
3 had a license to sell alcohol and strong beer over the bar
4 and they had a license to sell 3. 2 beer off-sale, packaged.
5 THE JUDGE: Okay. So they had -- they could
6 sell off-sale of just 3. 2.
7 THE WITNESS: Yes.
8 MR. MONTPETIT: I just have one more
9 qu�stian.
10 THE JUDGE: Okay.
� 11 RE-CROSS EXAMINATION
12 BY MR. MONTPETIT:
13 Q You didn't ask the bartender for a six-pack of strong
14 beer, did you?
15 A No.
16 MR. MONTPETIT: Thank you.
17 THE JUDGE: Anything else, gentleman?
18 MR. BYRNE: That's all , Your Honor.
19 THE JUDGE: Okay. You' re excused, sir.
20 Thank ypu.
21 MR. BYRNE: Your Honor, I don't know that we
22 need to keep that exhibit here. Do you want to have that
23 retained or what should we do with it?
� 24 THE JUDGE: I don't think I want to take
25 responsibility for carrying it around. Perhaps he can --
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OFFICER MOLLY FINNEGAN - DIRECT 26
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1 MR. BYRNE: If you have no objection, Mr.
2 Montpetit, I ' ll just have that be in the custody of the vice
3 unit.
4 MR. MONTPETIT: I have a cooler underneath
5 th� table here, counsel . No, whatever you want.
6 MR. BYRNE: Your Honor, and for Mr.
7 Montpetit's benefit, Sergeant Kempe, who was with Sergeant
8 Quinlan on the evening, is here. His testimony would be
9 cumulative and repetitive. I simply indicate for the record
10 th�t he's here. If there needs to be any cross examination,
� 11 he's certainly available. Otherwise I ' ll move on.
12 THE JUDGE: Okay. Mr. Montpetit, do you have
13 any objection?
14 MR. MONTPETIT: That's fine with me.
15 THE JUDGE: Okay. Proceed.
16 MR. BYRNE: I 'd call Officer Finnegan.
17 OFFICER MOLLY FINNEGAN
18 aftier being first duly sworn, testified as follows:
19 THE JUDGE: Okay. Thank you. Your name,
20 ma'am?
21 THE WITNESS: Molly Finnegan.
22 ' THE JUDGE: Spell your last name, please.
23 THE WITNESS: F-I-N-N-E-G-A-N.
� 24 THE JUDGE: Okay. Mr. Byrne.
25 DIRECT EXAMINATION
OFFICER MOLLY FINNEGAN - DIRECT 27
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1 BY MR. BYRNE:
2 Q Officer Finnegan, you' re employed by the City as a
3 police officer, is that correct?
4 A TMat's correct.
5 Q And how long have you been a police officer?
6 A Four years.
7 Q Okay. Over the past year and a half say, what duties
8 have you been assigned to in what sector of the city?
9 A I work the downtown and the west side area of St. Paul
10 and patrol , drive around in my car.
� 11 Q Is that -- are you in -- paired up with other officer
12 sometimes and operating alone at other times or what's the
13 general rule?
14 A Yeah. Sometimes I 'm with a partner, sometimes by
15 myself. We patrol around in a marked squad. I 'm in uniform
16 and answer calls.
17 Q Okay. Is the Wabasha Bar within your area, assigned
18 area of patrol?
19 A Yes.
20 Q And do you patrol in that area and go by that bar
21 fai,rly regularly when you' re on duty?
22 A YeS.
23 Q Calling your attention to Saturday, June 16th of this
� 24 yea�,r, did you have occasion to stop at the Wabasha Bar at
,
25 about 12 :45 a.m. , an early Saturday, late Friday night?
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1 A YQs.
2 Q Would you relate to the Administrative Law Judge what
3 you saw that caused you to stop and what you did when you
4 got out?
5 A I saw two people walking out of the bar with beers in
6 their hands, and I watched them walk up around the corner
7 and just up to car and I stopped them and asked them what
8 th�y were doing with the beers.
9 Q And what did they respond?
10 A Okay. Let's see. I asked them what are you doing
� 11 car�ryirlg the beers out of the bar. And one -- the guy says,
12 I don' t know. And the girl says, well , we were just going
13 to go home and drink them. And I had them dump the beers
14 out.
15 And while we were standing out there I was talking to
16 th�m getting their identification information, the owner of
17 th� bar walked out and said is there a problem, is anything
18 wrc�ng. And I said, well , I 'm talking to these people about
19 their l�eers. And he picked up their beer cans and went back
20 inside the bar.
21 Wh�en I was done getting the information from these
22 peclple I walked inside the bar and the owner was behind the
23 bar at this time, and I asked him if he saw people leave the
� 24 bar with drinks in their hands. And he said I just got
25 there, but no, you can't catch everybody.
OFFICER MOLLY FINNEGAN - DIRECT 29
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1 And the guy who was the bartender, I suppose before the
2 owner got there, I asked him if he saw -- if he saw -- I
� 3 think I asked him if he saw people leave the bar, and he
4 sa7d no.
5 Q Okay. Had you asked the people leaving the bar about
6 why they had taken the beers out? I think you answered that
7 qu�stion.
8 A Yeah. The buy said I wanted to sneak them out. And
9 th� girl said we were just going to take them home and drink
10 th�m, but they were already opened too.
� 11 Q Okay. When you saw them come out were they making any
12 attempt to hide the beers or to --
13 A No, they were just walking out holding them like right
14 about �ere.
15 Q W�en you' re indicating you' re indicating at about waist
16 level?
17 A Yeah.
18 Q ' In plain view to you driving by?
19 A Right.
20 Q Is that -- is that occurrence, seeing people walk out
21 wi�h beers in their hands, something that you have seen on
22 otHer occasions with respect to the Wabasha Bar?
23 A ' Yes.
� 24 Q �, Okay. Can you give me some idea of the frequency or
,
25 th� size of the problem?
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1 A W�11 , I guess I can't -- I don't want to give you a
2 number of two days a week or something, but we drive by the
3 bar often. Like I say, I work that area almost every day I
4 work, and we' ll see people standing at the door and right
5 outsid�. They've got a little step right outside the bar.
6 And they' ll stand on the sidewalk, on the corner on the step
7 there, and they' ll be holding glasses or beer cans. And
8 we' ll �ell them dump the beer or dump the glass, go back
9 in�ide, you 've got to stay in the bar. I could say -- I 'd
10 say at least once a week we could see it in general .
. 11 Q Wauld this include people leaving and walking away to
12 th�ir cars as well as just standing on that stoop?
13 A It has included, yes.
14 Q And with the same level of frequency as you just
15 indicated?
16 A Yes.
17 Q Is that -- is that bar one that creates a great deal ,
18 in your experience as a police officer patrolling the area,
19 a great deal of police calls and problems associated with
20 it?
21 A Yels. Before -- I 've been on afternoons now for a
22 li�,tle !while. Before that we'd get mostly late -- in
23 mi�nigh�t about, we'd get fight calls there and they'd be
� 24 cor�stant, almost nightly that we'd be getting calls.
25 Q And over what period of time would that be, 1990 this
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OFFICER MOLLY FINNEGAN - DIRECT 31
�
1 year and back into 1989 , say over the last year and a half?
2 A How many calls have we had?
3 Q Or what you' re describing as the number of fight calls
4 th�t's --
5 A How many this year and how many last year?
6 Q Whatever you can.
7 A Okay.
8 MR. MONTPETIT: Well , we don't want you to
9 gu�ss.
10 THE WITNESS: I 'm just trying to think. I
� 11 don' t know. I can't say a number.
12 BY MR. BYRNE:
13 Q It is a fairly frequent --
14 A Yes.
15 Q -- custom of your's as a police officer.
16 A Yes.
17 MR. BYRNE: I have no further questions.
18 THE JUDGE: Mr. Montpetit?
19 CROSS EXAMINATION
20 BY MR. MONTPETIT:
21 Q Officer Finnegan, how long have you been patrolling
22 tha� ar�a?
23 A For three years.
� 24 Q And have your hours varied or have you had the same
25 shift?
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OFFICER MOLLY FINNEGAN - CROSS 32
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1 A IL' s varied in the last six months. I 've had -- for
2 the two years about the same, two and a half.
3 Q Okay. For two and a half years you were about the
4 same. What shift was that?
5 A Midnight to 8:00.
6 Q And the last six months what has it been?
7 A Since the first of this year, I guess the last eight
8 months, it's 3:00 to 1 :00.
9 Q So your shift ends at 1 :00?
10 A Yes.
. 11 Q That's 1 :00 a.m. ?
12 A Yes.
13 q Now, with reference to these two individuals that you
14 observed taking beer out of the Wabasha Bar, there's no
15 dou�bt that they did in fact say "they snuck the beers out"?
16 A The gentleman did.
17 Q Ok�y. And the lady said "we were just going to take
18 the beers and go home"?
19 A Right.
20 Q Wh�n you went into the bar and approached Mr. Hartman
21 were th�re other customers still about the bar?
22 A Ye�.
23 Q j How many?
� 24 A ' I don't remember.
25 Q Do you have any idea? I don't want you to guess.
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1 A I don't remember.
2 Q But there were other customers?
3 A Yes.
4 Q Djd you observe the sign at the front door saying
5 ab�olu�ely no beer, no drinks outside, no exceptions?
6 A I don't remember seeing it.
7 Q Could have been there but you don't remember it.
8 A Correct.
9 Q Di'd you issue a citation to these two people?
10 A Na.
. 11 Q Why not?
12 A I just chose not to. I had them dump their beers out.
13 The man didn' t have -- he gave me a verbal identification.
14 Q Well , you testified that about once per week you saw
15 this conduct and you've been on this shift for three years.
16 Do you think that if you would have given those two people a
17 citation it may have helped retard future conduct like that
18 or reduce future conduct like that?
19 A I don't think so.
20 Q You don ' t think so. There wouldn't have been any
21 deterrent factor at all if you were to issue citations?
22 A I don 't think so. I 've never seen them there at
23 midnigh�, later -- well , let's see. I haven' t seen them two
� 24 th 're b�fore. I 've seen other people there. I didn ' t think
�
25 so, no.
OFFICER MOLLY FINNEGAN - CROSS 34
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1 Q W�11 , this once per week, how far does that go back?
2 Does it go back to January 1st when you went on that 3 :00
3 p.m. to 1 :00 a.m. shift?
4 A YQah.
5 Q It just boggles my mind that you watched this for eight
6 months knowing it' s a problem --
7 MR. BYRNE: I 'm going to object to that as
8 being argumentative, Your Honor.
9 THE JUDGE: Well , it is opinionated.
10 Counsel , perhaps if you could rephrase it.
� 11 BY MR. MONTPETIT:
12 Q Did it ever occur to you that you may have been some
13 help to the Wabasha Bar if you were to start to issue
14 citations in these instances?
15 A I suppose I could have.
16 Q As you sit here this morning would you agree that it
17 would have helped reduce the problem?
18 A It may have, yes.
19 Q In preparation of your testimony this morning have you
20 talked to any people from Westco or any of the other
21 wit�esses involved in this matter?
22 A No.
23 Q Now, with reference to the police calls, you testified ,
� 24 a1tF�ough you didn't have any basis that I 'm aware of, that
25 there were several calls for fights.
OFFICER MOLLY FINNEGAN - CROSS 35
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1 A Uh-huh. (meaning yes)
2 Q Is that from January 1st, 1990 to the present time?
3 A Yes.
4 Q And can you tell me how many calls you think came in
5 for f i ghts?
6 A I wouldn' t guess. I don't work every day, so I don' t
7 knqw.
8 Q Well , I don't remember exactly what you said. What was
9 your testimony as to calls for fights, frequently or
10 sormeth i ng 1 i ke that?
� 11 A Frequently I think.
12 Q Frequently?
13 A Yeah.
14 Q And what does that mean converted to a week, how often?
15 A Well , sometimes during the week we'd get called there
16 three times a day, sometimes we'd get called there once a
17 nig�t, �ometimes it would be on a period of five days three
18 timss, two times a week. Once a week I think is frequent to
19 the same place.
20 MR. MONTPETIT: I don't have any further
21 quest i orls.
22 RE-DIRECT EXAMINATION
23 BY MR. BYRNE:
� 24 Q Officer Finnegan, just one question. Based on your
25 observations of what you see on the outside with people
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OFFICER MOLLY FINNEGAN - RE-DIRECT 36
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1 drinking if the owner has put up signs on the inside saying
2 you' re not to take your drinks out, those signs aren't
3 working, are they?
4 A No.
5 MR. MONTPETIT: I ' ll object to that as
6 calling for a conclusion, Your Honor.
7 THE JUDGE: Yeah, perhaps it is, counsel .
8 I ' ll sustain that objection. Anything further?
9 MR. BYRNE: I have nothing else.
10 MR. MONTPETIT: Nothing further.
� 11 THE JUDGE: What is your understanding of any
12 restriGtions that this bar may have on its selling off-sale
13 liquor in terms of what hours of the day they' re able to do
14 that?
15 THE WITNESS: I 'm not --
16 ( End of Tape 1 , Side 1 )
17 THE JUDGE: During the course of this
18 praceeding the tape in the machine ran out of tape at the
19 time that the ALJ was -- had one question of the witness,
20 Ms. Molly Finnegan. My question was whether she had an
21 understanding of what hours the bar, the license that the
22 bar held to sell off-sale was limited in any way, and she
23 indicated she did not have an understanding, is that
� 24 correct, counsel?
25 MR. MONTPETIT: That's right.
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1 MR. MONTPETIT: That's my recollection.
2 THE JUDGE: All right.
3 MR. BYRNE: The tape also admitted a question
4 of mine that was objected to and sustained .
5 MR. MONTPETIT: What's that?
6 MR. BYRNE: I asked a question of Officer
7 Finnegan with respect to whether the signs were working. It
8 was objected to and sustained.
9 MR. MONTPETIT: But also you asked her if she
10 kn�w wh�ether or not the beer that those two individuals had
� 11 was 3 . 2 or strong. She said no, but it was light beer.
12 THE JUDGE: That's correct. Now, I
13 understand that Sergeant Mark Kempe, K-E-M-P-E. I have
14 sworn the officer and he has indicated that he is a member
15 of the St. Paul Police Department, a member of the vice
16 squad, and that on September 6th he ran a computer print-
17 out of the police calls to the Wabasha Bar during the time
18 period -- Mr. Kempe, what time period?
19 SERGEANT KEMPE: The time period from January
20 1st, 1989 to September 5th, 1990.
21 THE JUDGE: Okay.
22 SERGEANT MARK KEMPE
23 having been sworn, testified as follows:
� 24 DIRECT EXAMINATION
25 BY MR. BYRNE:
SERGEANT MARK KEMPE - DIRECT 38
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1 Q SQrgeant Kempe, I ' ll give you my pen. If you' ll mark
2 that a� City's Exhibit 15 for identification. Does that
3 cornputer printout enable you to determine which of the --
4 maybe I should back up and ask; what does that computer
5 printout show? What does it purport to contain?
6 A The City keeps a computerized printout of calls to a
7 particular location within the city.
8 Q And those are calls -- when you say calls, those are a
9 respons�e by the St. Paul Police Department to some incident
10 that takes place at that location.
� 11 A That's correct.
12 Q However the information gets to you, whether it' s by
13 telephone or other means, the call is that a squad did
14 respond.
15 A Yes, that's correct. There 's a complaint number issued
16 to each response, be it citizen initiated or police officer
17 initiated.
18 Q And does it indicate what type of call or what type of
19 incident in general terms that the squad was responding to
20 when it got there?
21 A Ye�, it does.
22 Q Did you look over the printout for the period you 've
23 ind�cat�d to determine how many fights were involved that
� 24 res�lted in police calls and response by the police?
25 A Yes, I did.
SERGEANT MARK KEMPE - DIRECT 39
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1 Q How many?
2 A I counted twenty-one fight calls on the reporting
3 period that I mentioned earlier.
4 MR. BYRNE: That's all I have, Your Honor. I
5 would move the admission of City's Exhibit 15 at this time.
6 THE JUDGE: Mr. Montpetit.
7 MR. MONTPETIT: I 'd object as being
8 cumulative. There are other notations and items here that
9 are not included in the witness' testimony. He's indicated
10 there's been twenty-one fight calls from January 1st, 1989
� 11 to September 5 , 1990. I don' t -- I think that other matters
12 reflected on that exhibit are immaterial and it's also
13 cum�ulative.
14 THE JUDGE: Well , for purposes of foundation
15 why don't you clarify the notations that you think are
16 misleading or otherwise cumulative?
17 MR. MONTPETIT: Well , Your Honor, there's a
18 theft; there's look out auto, whatever that means; there's
19 som� vartdalism; recovering property; disturbing call , I
20 don' t know if that's a fight call .
21 � THE JUDGE: Well , why don 't you ask him?
22 MR. MONTPETIT: D-O-B-S. I don 't know what
23 tha� means. Okay.
� 24 i CROSS EXAMINATION
25 BY MR. M4NTPETIT:
SERGEANT MARK KEMPE - CROSS 40
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1 Q On the twenty-one, your calculation of twenty-one
2 disturbing calls, was that considered a fight call?
3 A I fight is listed on the sheet as F-I-G-H-T, fight,
4 that's how I counted.
5 MR. MONTPETIT: All right. Your Honor,
6 approximately one-fourth of these calls are fights. And
7 ag�in , I would just indicate and object to the admission of
8 th� exhibit. Everything else is outside the scope of his
9 te�timany and it's immaterial and cumulative.
10 THE JUDGE: I think for purposes of this
� 11 hearing I think that the evidence that's probably contained
12 in here, at least some of it is certainly relevant. And
13 although there may be some extraneous, I think you' ll have
14 to rely upon me. That will go to the weight and not the
15 admissibility of this evidence, and you' ll have to rely upon
16 me to consider what is and what is not relevant.
17 MR. MONTPETIT: Well , Your Honor, that's
18 fine, except that if it' s attached as an exhibit to your
19 finding� and conclusions, the reader of that document
20 certainly isn 't -- at that point it's prejudicial to my
21 cli�nt, it clearly is.
22 THE JUDGE: Perhaps it is. But I think it's
23 something you' re going to have to address at the City
� 24 Council meeting, and I think you should point that out.
25 Perhaps that will be something that you can address. But
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SERGEANT MARK KEMPE - CROSS 41
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1 for pur�poses of this hearing, I 'm going to admit City
2 Exhibit #15 , the computer printout, at this time. It is
3 received.
4 MR. BYRNE: I have no further questions of
5 Sergeant Kempe.
6 THE JUDGE: Mr. Montpetit, do you have
7 anything further?
8 BY MR. 'MONTPETIT:
9 Q Sergeant Kempe, does that exhibit show that the police
10 took any action in terms of issuing citations?
� 11 A Specifically citations, no.
12 Q So it doesn't show if any arrests were made, for
13 example.
14 A No.
15 Q Does it show if the establishment located at 427 South
16 Wabasha made the call or some other citizen made the call?
17 A It doesn 't differentiate.
18 Q Ok�y. So we don't know who made these calls, right?
19 A No, sir.
20 Q Could have been neighbors?
21 A , Could have been .
22 Q �, Do you know whether or not -- withdraw that question.
23 Do �ou hlave any knowledge as to what transpired at this
� 24 pari�icul�ar facility, 427 South Wabasha, prior to January
25 1st� 1989 , before Mr. Hartman started to get at odds with
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1 Westco and his neighbors and so forth?
2 MR. BYRNE: I 'm going to object to the form
3 of the question as presuming facts that aren't before the
4 witness.
5 THE JUDGE: I think that question could
6 perhaps be better phrased, Mr. Montpetit.
7 MR. MONTPETIT: I ' ll rephrase the question.
8 BY MR. MONTPETIT:
9 Q Se�rgeant, do you have any knowledge as to what these
10 records reflected in terms of calls prior to January 1st,
� 11 1989?
12 A No, sir.
13 MR. MONTPETIT: I don 't have any further
14 questions.
15 THE JUDGE: Anything further?
16 MR. BYRNE: No.
17 THE JUDGE: What' s the difference between a
18 notation here made, ag. assault and fight? Is that one or
19 is that two different categories?
20 THE WITNESS: Two different categories, ag.
21 ass�ult being the more severe where bodily injury occurred
22 according to the statute.
23 THE JUDGE: Is this report based upon the
� 24 dispatcher's designation of the call or is this designation
25 mad� after a review of the police report and what the police
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1 found when they got there?
2 THE WITNESS: If it's officer initiated, it's
3 based upon what the police officer saw at the scene. If
4 it's a call that comes through the police system, it's coded
5 by the police operator that receives the call .
6 THE JUDGE: The dispatcher?
7 THE WITNESS: Yes.
8 THE JUDGE: What is the designation here, D-
9 O-B-S?
10 THE WITNESS: Disorderly persons.
� 11 THE JUDGE: Okay. I have no other questions.
12 Gentlemen?
13 MR. BYRNE: That's all . Call Officer
14 Cavanaugh.
15 SERGEANT DONALD CAVANAUGH
16 after being first duly sworn, testified as follows:
17 THE JUDGE: Your name, sir?
18 THE WITNESS: Donald Cavanaugh, C-A-V-A-N-A-
19 U-G-H .
20 THE JUDGE: Mr. Byrne.
21 MR. BYRNE: Thank you, Your Honor.
22 DIRECT EXAMINATION
23 BY �NR. �YRNE:
� 24 Q '�� Sergeant Cavanaugh, when I called you up here I gave
25 you an involuntary demotion, but you area a police sergeant
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1 employed by the City of St. Paul , is that correct?
2 A That's correct.
3 Q And how long have you been a police officer?
4 A Fifteen years.
5 Q And a police sergeant?
6 A S�ven years.
7 Q Okay. You' re currently assigned to the vice unit, is
8 that correct?
9 A That's correct.
10 Q And were you assigned to the vice unit in July of this
� 11 ye�r?
12 A Yes, I was.
13 Q Did you have occasion on July 1st of this year between
14 approximately 1 :00 a.m. and 1 :45 a.m. to do a surveillance
15 outsida the Wabasha Bar?
16 A Yes.
17 Q Could you tell the Administrative Law Judge what the
18 purpose was of your assignment that evening --
19 A Yes.
20 Q -- or early morning?
21 A The unit received a complaint from the information and
22 complaint office for the City. It was a citizen's complaint
23 which described some unacceptable behavior by presumably
� 24 patrons of the Wabasha Bar. Based on that complaint I
25 conducted the surveillance.
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1 Q Where did you go? What did you do and how did you
2 conduct the surveillance?
3 A I merely sat in an unmarked car in plain clothes, I
4 believ� it would be the southeast corner kitty-corner from
5 the bar.
6 Q Okay.
7 A Arnd I just sat there for about forty, forty-five
8 minutes.
9 Q Did you have a clear an unobstructed view of the front
10 door of the bar?
, 11 A Yes.
12 Q Okay. Could you relate to the Judge what you saw
13 during the period of your surveillance?
14 A When I first it arrived it appeared that it was closing
15 time for the bar and patrons were exiting. I observed --
16 initially I observed three males and three females who had
17 exited the bar stand outside the bar and on the sidewalk, in
18 th� street, drinking beer from cans and bottles and being
19 very baisterous, behavior I would associate with
20 in�oxication.
21 Q Was it -- when you say boisterous, were they real loud
22 or just moderately loud or what level of sound was it?
23 A I thought it was fairly loud. I could understand what
. 24 th�y were saying from where I was sitting. I think that if
25 I even moved back further I could still plainly hear what
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1 was being said.
2 Q Okay. You' re familiar with how people look and behalf
3 when they' re intoxicated?
4 A Yes, I am.
5 Q And you've seen people both at close range and at long
6 ra�ge when you can't actually get up and see their eyes and
7 smell their breath, but you know what the signs are and what
8 persuades you that they' re intoxicated, is that correct?
9 A Yes.
10 Q Were the people who came out of the bar intoxicated in
* 11 your judgment?
12 MR. MONTPETIT: Your Honor, I 'm going to
13 object to the question. There's no foundation. May I
14 inquire for purposes of laying a further objection?
15 THE JUDGE: I don't think that will be
16 ne�essary. I 'm going to sustain the objection. Why don't
17 you ask -- rephrase that question, Mr. Byrne?
18 BY MR. BYRNE:
19 Q Officer -- Sergeant Cavanaugh, what are the factual
20 things that you observed about their behavior which led you
21 to ; make a judgment one way or another about whether or not
22 th y were intoxicated?
23 A One of the females was staggering, she was somewhat
� 24 ho$tile towards a couple of the males that she was with.
25 Lo�d, using obscene language. The response that she was
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1 getting from some of the males was also -- they were
2 swearing and some pushing and shoving and staggering.
3 Q Djd it bear on your judgment that they had cans of beer
4 in their hands?
5 A Yes.
6 Q Did it bear on your judgment that they had just exited
7 from a bar?
8 A Yes.
9 Q Did you see them when they came out of the bar?
10 A I saw several of them come out of the bar. Some were
i11 already� outside the bar.
12 Q Did any of the people coming out of the bar come out
13 with cans of beer in their hands?
14 A Yes.
15 Q And all of those factors entered into your estimation
16 of what their condition was with respect to intoxication?
17 A Yes.
18 Q In your judgment were they intoxicated?
19 MR. MONTPETIT: Objection again, no
20 foundation. Your Honor, may I just ask some questions? I
21 mi$sed something.
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22 ! THE JUDGE: Okay. Go ahead.
23 MR. MONTPETIT: How far were you from these
� 24 pec�p 1 e?
25 THE WITNESS: Kitty-corner from the bar.
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1 MR. MONTPETIT: You were across the street,
2 across the intersection?
3 THE WITNESS: Yes.
4 MR. MONTPETIT: Same objection.
5 THE JUDGE: Can you set the stage for me a
6 little bit, please, Sergeant? I 'm not familiar with where
7 this is and what -- is this in the middle of a block, is it
8 on a corner? What kind of an intersection is it and the
9 lanes of traffic? I 'm not familiar with it.
10 THE WITNESS: Okay. Here's the bar. I was
� 11 pa�ked right across from this typewriter business.
12 THE JUDGE: Do you to mark this and introduce
13 it or can I -- would you gentlemen agree to me just looking
14 at it for the time being?
15 MR. MONTPETIT: For illustrative purposes,
16 why don't you just look at it, Your Honor, and then I ' ll
17 of�er it in my case.
18 THE JUDGE: All right. Tell me what -- this
19 street -- and we' re looking at an unmarked exhibit that Mr.
20 Mo�tpetit indicates he will introduce in his case in chief.
21 Th� road that runs cross-wise on this photograph, how many
22 la�es of traffic are on that road?
23 THE WITNESS: Two lanes.
� 24 , THE JUDGE: And the one that runs away from
25 this photograph is just two lanes also?
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1 THE WITNESS: Two lanes.
2 THE JUDGE: And so do you have an estimate of
3 the distance between -- and the door that you' re talking
4 about is one that's on a corner of this intersection, is
5 tMat correct?
6 THE WITNESS: Yes.
7 THE JUDGE: And do you have an estimate of
8 the distance between that door and the location you were
9 parked?
10 THE WITNESS: ( inaudible) , I don't know.
! 11 THE JUDGE: And you were --
12 THE WITNESS: It's a normal intersection.
13 THE JUDGE: And how far back from the edge of
14 this street -- in the photograph there's a curve that runs
15 away f�-om the camera. Do you have an estimate of how far
16 back from that curve you were parked?
17 THE WITNESS: I was right up to the
18 crosswalk.
19 THE JUDGE: Right up to the crosswalk. All
20 right. So you'd be at the closest point to that, across the
21 street and kitty-corner, as close as you can get within a
22 normal parking position, right?
23 THE WITNESS: Yes.
� 24 THE JUDGE: Okay. And where were the people
25 located, these six people you' re talking about?
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1 THE WITNESS: Okay. The people, they moved
2 from directly in front of the bar, the entrance, and then
3 they stood where this car would be parked, and --
4 THE JUDGE: Going away from where your
5 position was.
6 THE WITNESS: Going away. And then they
7 moved directly across the street also, so it would be just
8 parallel to where I was, straight --
9 THE JUDGE: Straight ahead of you.
10 THE WITNESS: And then there was a vehicle
� 11 that came up here, motorist, and stopped here, and a couple
12 of the people went over here and was -- female and one of
13 the males, and I think there was an argument that started
14 between the male patron and the male motorist. And then the
15 girl got -- eventually got in the way and separated the
16 motorist.
17 THE JUDGE: Let me -- do you recall -- I see
18 t�ere' s one street light here. Do you recall if there's
19 street lights on that other side, on the bar side of the
20 ro�ad?
21 , THE WITNESS: Yes. This is a lighted area
22 here.
23 ' THE JUDGE: Are there lights in front of the
� 24 ba�r i t5e 1 f?
25 THE WITNESS: I don't recall . I don't think
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1 so. I believe there's a street light right over here.
2 THE JUDGE: But you didn't have any trouble
3 seeing the people as they moved around in the vicinity?
4 THE WITNESS: No.
5 THE JUDGE: Okay.
6 THE WITNESS: I was right here. A lot of the
7 activity occurred right here. They were moving back and
8 forth, standing in the street.
9 THE JUDGE: All right. You had an objection,
10 Mr. Montpetit?
! 11 MR. MONTPETIT: I did, Your Honor, and I 'd
12 just like to further inquire for purposes of --
13 THE JUDGE: Okay. I 'm sorry. Go ahead. I
14 didn't mean to interrupt.
15 MR. MONTPETIT: What time of the evening was
16 it?
17 THE WITNESS: It was 1 :00 a.m.
18 MR. MONTPETIT: You weren't able to make any
19 observations as to alcoholic orders, were you, from that
20 dtistance, eighty feet or something? You couldn't clearly
21 see their eyes or faces, could you?
22 , THE WITNESS: I couldn't clearly see their
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23 e�es.
� 24 MR. MONTPETIT: You could see their eyes from
25 tl�at distance?
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1 THE WITNESS: I said I couldn't.
2 MR. MONTPETIT: Okay. Your Honor, I 'm going
3 ta obj�ct that there' s no foundation for this witness to
4 testify that these persons were in an intoxicated condition.
5 MR. BYRNE: May I be heard on that, Your
6 Honor?
7 THE JUDGE: Certainly.
8 MR. BYRNE: And maybe one additional
9 foundational question to Sergeant Cavanaugh. Sergeant
10 Cavanaugh, you've seen intoxicated people before both close
� 11 up when you have been able to observe their eyes and smell
12 th�ir breath, is that correct?
13 THE WITNESS: Yes.
14 MR. BYRNE: There is no doubt in your mind,
15 as I understand your testimony, that you have a judgment as
16 to whether or not the people at the Wabasha Bar were
17 intoxic�ted.
18 THE WITNESS: That's correct.
19 MR. BYRNE: Your Honor, my position is, and
20 this wi11 be true of much of our case, that you need not --
21 ord!linary civilian witnesses as well as police witnesses can
22 telh when people are intoxicated, and that judgment is based
,
23 on � nu�ber of facts that make up the picture.
� 24 Ifl�there's just one person standing in a situation and
,
25 you� re some distance away and all you see is staggering and
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1 reeling, you might say, well , you can't make a judgement
2 about whether they' re intoxicated because they might have an
3 epilep�ic condition, some other motor problem, some other
4 difficulties. But when you put all the facts together of
5 caming out of a bar at the time they were coming out, being
6 in a position to see their activities, being absolutely
7 convinced in your own mind because you've seen other drunks
8 before, what the behaviors are, the fact that there are cans
9 of bee�, that there are many of them and not just one,
10 should allow witnesses to give their opinion as to whether
� 11 or not these people are intoxicated.
12 That's my position with witness and will also be true
13 with a number of other civilian witnesses who will have made
14 the sa�e observations from roughly the same distance away.
15 THE JUDGE: I think that, Mr. Byrne, Mr.
16 Momtpe�it's objection goes to the use of the term
17 intoxication . I think that fringes on a term of art, that
18 if used in that framework it tends to put a legalistic
19 opinion on this witness' testimony. For purposes of Mr.
20 Mo�tpetit's objection, I 'm going to sustain the objection as
21 it �,relates to the use of the term intoxication because that
22 ha� a legal definition I believe that is probably beyond the
23 sc�pe of this witness' testimony.
� 24 However, I think that his observations are, on the
25 other hand, pertinent in whether it is his opinion that
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1 these witnesses -- or these individuals had been drinking is
2 one th�ng, but I 'm going to sustain his objection as to his
3 opinion as to whether or not these individuals were
4 intoxicated.
5 BY MR. BYRNE:
6 Q S�rgeant Cavanaugh , would you be able to say whether or
7 not the people you saw on that occasion were under the
8 influence of alcohol in their behavior and conduct?
9 MR. MONTPETIT: Same objection, Your Honor.
10 He's tr�ying to skirt the issue now. Opposing counsel is
� 11 much more familiar with foundation on these matters and I
12 am, and he knows darn well that you 've got to look at the
13 face, you've got to look at the eyes, you've got to hear the
14 speech. From eighty feet there's nobody in the world that
15 can form an opinion as to whether or not a person's
16 intoxicated sitting in a car in the dark. I don't care who
17 it is. Same objection. A duck is a duck is a duck. If he
18 wants to call it under the influence, that's intoxication.
19 Th� legal definition of intoxication is your mental or
20 physical capabilities are impaired to the slightest degree.
21 MR. BYRNE: What we' re doing here and what
22 counsel is ( inaudible) is if we were in a criminal court
23 prc�ving up a charge of driving under the influence or any
� 24 otl�er which required intoxication as an element of the
25 of�'ense, he's absolutely correct, this would not be
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1 sufficient foundation and it wouldn't stand up. But we' re
2 in a civil procedure. The burden is preponderance of the
3 evidence and this goes to not admissibility but the weight.
4 People, when they observe persons who are under the
5 influence or have been drinking too much, whatever the term
6 is going to be, they know what they see. And in the numbers
7 we' re dealing with here, there's a valid judgment that they
8 can offer. If they' re simply saying, describing all the
9 things that were occurred everybody will in the course of
10 narmal , daily, routine activities will say that person is
! 11 drunk and they will rely and act on that. And I think
12 that's the standard under which evidence should be admitted
13 here, would a reasonable prudent person rely on that
14 judgmer�t in the conduct of their own affairs. And I believe
15 that SQrgeant Cavanaugh would, he made a police report on
16 it, civilian witnesses might as well .
17 THE JUDGE: I think what we' ll do in
18 proceeding, and I presume that we' ll come into this area
19 ag�in, is that I 'm going to ask that the specific
20 ob�ervations and the foundation be laid for any opinion
21 ev�dence such as we' re skirting at this point, and that --
22 wi�h the understanding that most of the -- my opinion is
23 going �o be based upon the observations of the witness.
� 24 The witness -- I 'm going to allow the witness to
25 te�tify as to whether they feel that the people they are
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1 going to talk about or observe are -- have been drinking or
2 whether they are under the influence, but we' re not going to
3 have tMem testify as to whether they are intoxicated. And
4 if we Can proceed on that basis I think that will speed this
5 up and perhaps this will be a hurdle over which we -- and
6 establish a foundation upon which we can operate for the
7 rest o� this hearing.
8 MR. BYRNE: Thank you, Your Honor.
9 MR. MONTPETIT: Your Honor, may I just seek
10 so�e clarification? Did you say you ' re going to allow the
� 11 witness to testify as to whether these persons are
12 purpor�edly under the influence?
13 THE JUDGE: Yes, but not intoxicated. I
14 understand that maybe we' re talking some semantics here.
15 Maybe �he semantics aren't so important. I 'm trying to
16 remove the element of the legal opinion of these witnesses
17 from th�eir testimony, that's my intent. And if you have
18 another suggestion -- they' re going to testify about their
19 observations obviously .
20 MR. MONTPETIT: Well , under the influence and
21 in�oxicated are one in the same. The legal definition of
22 in�oxic�tion again is physical or mental capabilities
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23 impairep to the slightest degree. Obviously that would
� 24 inqlude�iunder the influence.
25 Opposing counsel further suggests that his lay
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1 witnesSes ought to be able to testify to the same opinions
2 I 'm as�uming from the same distances. If the Court is going
3 to mak� an exception as relates to under the influence to
4 this p�rticular witness because he's a vice officer and
5 trained in such matters, that's one thing. But I think when
6 we get to the lay witnesses that's a whole different story
7 and I hope the Court hasn 't made up its mind as relates to
8 that tQStimony without even hearing it.
9 THE JUDGE: Well , I 'm not going to be
10 establ �ishing most of my opinion based upon the witnesses of
. 11 other people -- the opinions of other people. I 'm going to
12 listen far more heavily to what they can articulate as to
13 wh�t they observed, observations, specific observations are.
14 Wh�ther they think somebody is or is not is far less
15 important then what they actually saw.
16 So, Mr. Byrne, can we proceed?
17 MR. BYRNE: Yes, Your Honor.
18 BY MR. BYRNE:
19 Q I has asked Sergeant Cavanaugh the question whether or
20 not in his opinion the people that he observed there had
21 been drinking. I hadn't asked you that but I will . Had
22 they been drinking?
23 A That was my opinion.
� 24 Q Ok�y. And were they under the influence of alcohol?
25 A I believe so.
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1 Q Okay. And without going over all the factual
2 observ�tions you made and testified to, your opinion is
3 based on all the matters that you testified to as to what
4 you saw.
5 A Y�s.
6 Q Okay. Did you observe any persons urinating on the
7 outside wall of the bar?
8 A Yes.
9 Q And relate to the Administrative Law Judge what you saw
10 in that respect?
� 11 A I saw a male person exit the bar and walk down along
12 side the bar, stagger, walk in a staggering motion, and
13 before he reached the corner and just as he reached the
14 corner of the bar he urinated on the side of the building.
15 Q At about --
16 A It also could have been in view of the six other people
17 in the crowd on the side of the bar.
18 Q The man who was doing that was in plain view of the
19 other six?
20 A Yes.
21 Q At about 1 : 20 in the morning did you observe something
22 els�e with respect to an elderly white male and a white
23 female?'
� 24 A YeS. There were two females and an elderly white male
25 exited the bar, and they were literally carrying -- the male
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1 an�d th� female were carrying a woman, had her between the -
2 -had one arm around each one of her shoulders and dragging
3 her to the car.
4 Q What happened then? What did you see?
5 A Dwmped her in the car and left.
6 Q Could you tell anything about the condition of the two
7 people carrying her out?
8 A They looked intoxicated.
9 ' THE WITNESS: Objection, no foundation.
10 BY MR. 'BYRNE:
� 11 Q Let me ask, instead of they looked intoxicated, what
12 were they doing? What was their physical behaviors that
13 would lead you to that?
14 A They were staggering, they were having difficulty
15 holding the woman's arm. They had difficulty getting her
16 into th�e car. They just didn't look coordinated.
17 Q Okay. What happened to the beer cans of people who
18 were drinking outside the bar at closing?
19 A Th�ey were discarded on the ground.
20 MR. BYRNE: I have no further questions.
21 THE JUDGE: Mr. Montpetit.
22 CROSS EXAMINATION
23 BY MR. MONTPETIT:
� 24 Q You indicated that a complaint was received from the
25 information and complaint office, is that correct?
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1 A Y�s.
2 Q Dd you know who made that complaint?
3 A (no audible answer)
4 Q Do you know when that complaint came into the informal
5 complai�nt office?
6 A No.
7 Q When did you learn of the complaint?
8 A It was given to me probably the week of this
9 occurre�nce.
10 Q Pardon me?
� 11 A It was probably given to me the week of this
12 ocCurre�nce. This was on a Sunday, given to me the week
13 before that.
14 Q Who determines whether or not your going to put up
15 "surveillance" on a situation like this?
16 A I decide that on my own.
17 Q Did you talk to the complainant?
18 A No.
19 Q Did the complaint come in by letter or by phone call?
20 A There' s a form that the complaint office uses to
21 transmit that information to us.
22 Q Do�s that reflect where the complaint came from?
23 A I don 't recall . It was a citizen's complaint. That's
� 24 all I remember.
25 Q Is there a designated space reflected on the complaint
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1 form t�hat shows the citizen the made the complaint?
2 A I 'd have to look at a form. It's the first one that I
3 had seien since I was signed to the unit and I didn' t pay
4 particular attention to it.
5 Q Anyway, you called this you said a surveillance?
6 A I call it a surveillance.
7 Q When you set up this surveillance what were your
8 concerns?
9 A I was just there to make observations, to identify the
10 problems that were in the complaint. The problems in the
� 11 campla�nt referred to patrons outside the bar during the
12 ev�ening hours at closing time drinking, urinating making
13 disturbing noises.
14 Q On a surveillance do you ever make arrests?
15 A I °ve just been assigned to the unit since May so this
16 is the first time I 've been involved in this type of police
17 work. It's possible, sure.
18 Q In those instances where arrests are made, would you
19 make tlhe arrest or would you call for assistance?
20 A ' Etither or.
21 Q O�n this particular evening did you make any arrests?
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22 A I NO.
23 Q ' Dfid you make any arrests?
� 24 A I� Nb.
25 Q , Dfid you observe anybody breaking the law?
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1 A Y�s.
2 Q Dtid you call for any assistance to make arrests?
3 A No.
4 Q W�tnessing this so-called breaking of the law, why
5 wo�uldnpt you call for assistance or why weren' t any arrests
6 being �ade?
7 A B�cause that particular evening the call load was so
8 great for uniformed patrol officers that I couldn't have
9 gotten assistance there, I 'm almost certain of that.
10 Becaus� prior to that I tried to get some assistance from
* 11 pa�rol in making an arrest and I couldn't, the squads just
12 weren' � available. I wasn't going to make the arrest myself
13 or con�ront the individuals from a safety standpoint. I
14 fe�l that people who are under the influence can sometimes
15 be�ome hostile and I was clearly outnumbered and it would
16 have b�en foolish for me to make any contact with these
17 pe�ple.
18 Q Three males and three females?
19 A Yes.
20 Q Did you call for assistance?
21 A Na.
22 Q �I Yau just assumed that everybody was busy and couldn't
23 get� theiire?
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24 A ,I Well , I had experience as a patrol officer and patrol
25 suqervisor, I was monitoring the air and I know that the
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1 squads were getting calls and were told that there were
2 other 'calls waiting. It wasn 't that type of a situation
3 where I felt it was an emergency.
4 Q I�F you had been able to call for assistance and arrests
5 -- mak� some arrests, do you think that that would have
6 helped the situation in that particular neighborhood?
7 A If I could have -- if there were squads available I
8 would Ihave called for squads and I would have taken some
9 action �
10 Q My� question was; do you think that would have helped
� 1 1 the s i ituat i on i n the f utu re?
12 A P�*obably not in the future, but it would have taken
13 care oi� the situation then .
14 Q So making the arrests wouldn 't further reduce any
15 future conduct, is that your opinion?
i6 A That's my opinion. That opinion is based on other
17 appearances with similar circumstances .
18 Q Any follow-up to this particular report? Did you ever
19 go back and survey the area again?
20 A Na.
21 Q Wh�,ere would that complaint form be?
22 A It, might be on file in our office.
23 Q Where's that?
. 24 A Th,e vice office, 100 East 10th Street, second floor.
25 Q Woiuld that be filed under your name or how would that
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1 be f i 1 ed?
2 A I don ' t do the filing ( inaudible) .
3 Q All right. Just to capsulate your testimony, I believe
4 yau got a complaint for the week before that. You set up a
5 survei1lance. You made these observations. You didn't call
6 for any -- you didn' t make any arrests, you didn 't call for
7 any arrests and that was the end of it.
8 A Y�s.
9 ' MR. MONTPETIT: I don't have any further
10 questipns.
• 11 THE JUDGE: Re-direct, Mr. Byrne?
12 RE-DIRECT EXAMINATION
13 BY MR. BYRNE:
14 Q S�rgeant Cavanaugh , let me show you what I will mark
15 for id�ntification as City's Exhibits 16 and 17 , which
16 purport to be City of St. Paul Citizens Service Program
17 Information and Complaint Office forms, and ask you if you
18 ca�n recognize those as being the reports that you acted on?
19 A As I recall , this is the same information that I had.
20 Q My -- I don 't want to -- I don 't know myself whether
21 those are and I don' t want to put you in a position of -- if
22 they' re the ones you recall acting on, fine, if not --
23 A I don't recall these as being the same ones. It
� 24 contai r�s the same i nformati on.
25 Q Same general type of information?
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1 A Yes.
2 Q And t,here are two separate ones as you recall?
3 A No, there was only one, and this is the one that is
4 similar.
5 Q You' re referring to the one I had marked for
6 identification as City' s Exhibit 16 .
7 A Yes.
8 Q And the information on the 17 is not information that
9 yau recall having seen before.
10 A Correct.
� 11 MR. BYRNE: Your Honor, I would like to offer
12 16 for -- marked 16 for identification as City's Exhibit 16 ,
13 ho�wever, the data privacy act indicates that complainant
14 information of this kind is not to be -- the name of the
15 complainant is not to be made public, and if I could have
16 co�pies of that made and introduced with the complainants
17 name blanked out I would do that. I don't know that I 'm in
18 a position to offer and violate that statute.
19 THE JUDGE: Mr. Montpetit?
20 MR. BYRNE: I furnished Mr. Montpetit with a
21 copy of this with the --
22 THE JUDGE: He already has it?
23 MR. BYRNE: Yes. I gave him this and this in
� 24 respon�e to his earlier discover request. Do you have any
25 objection to --
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1 MR. MONTPETIT: Well , I do on the basis that
2 this witness couldn't identify that as being the report that
3 came in resulting in the surveillance of July 1st and 2nd.
4 That's my understanding.
5 MR. BYRNE: What he testified to, as I
6 recall , Your Honor, that that was the information that he
7 acted on.
8 THE JUDGE: Yeah. This is the same
9 information. This is not -- what we' re talking about is
10 what vice got from the Citizen Complaint -- what' s the name
� 1 1 of the off i ce?
12 MR. BYRNE: Information and complaint office.
13 THE JUDGE: Information and complaint office,
14 that the information's the same but the form's not the same.
15 That's my understanding of what he said.
16 MR. MONTPETIT: Then I 'd like to ask him a
17 question for further objection.
18 THE JUDGE: Okay.
19 MR. MONTPETIT: Is that the information and
20 complaint form that you acted upon, is that the form?
21 THE WITNESS: I don' t recall if that's the
22 ex�ct �'orm.
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23 I� ! MR. MONTPETIT: May I see it? I won't look
� 24 at the name. I just can't seem to find the copy that
25 counsel furnished to me. I object. He doesn 't know if
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1 that's the form or not. The information might be the same,
2 nevertheless, my questions were with reference to the
3 camplaint form, where it was, and this witness doesn 't know
4 if that's it or not. If the information is the same, it' s
5 still cumulative and ( inaudible) .
6 MR. BYRNE: Could I ask one question?
7 THE JUDGE: Sir, certainly.
8 MR. BYRNE: Sergeant Cavanaugh, this is the
9 kind of form it comes on?
10 THE WITNESS: Yes.
� 11 MR. BYRNE: So when you get something from
12 the information and complaint office it comes on this type
13 of form, and the thing that you got was on this sort of form
14 and what you can say is this is the information that you
15 recall acting on.
16 THE WITNESS: This form was an information
17 and complaint office form and the information that was on
18 th� form that I responded to was the information that's on
19 th� report.
20 MR. BYRNE: Okay. I 'd renew my offer of
21 City'slExhibit 16.
22 THE JUDGE: Did you have an opportunity to
23 review your file prior to your testimony here today?
� 24 THE WITNESS: I just reviewed the report, the
25 general report form that I filled out that night. I --
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1 THE JUDGE: The one that you completed.
2 THE WITNESS: Yes.
3 THE JUDGE: You did not review the file that
4 contains the form that we' re talking about that your vice
5 unit got from the complaint office.
6 THE WITNESS: No.
7 THE JUDGE: And so your testimony is, as I
8 understand it, this is not the same form but contains what
9 yor� recall being similar information, like or similar
10 information?
� 11 THE WITNESS: It could be the same form. I
12 ju5t dan' t recall that form. I know it had information and
13 complaint office on it and that's the information that was
14 conveyad.
15 THE JUDGE: I think under those circumstances
16 I 'm going to sustain the objection to the offer of this
17 partict�lar evidence -- offer of the exhibit, and if it is
18 that important, you know, maybe we can dig up the other
19 form. His observation, I think his testimony covers most of
20 that in any event.
21 , MR. BYRNE: I have nothing else for Sergeant
22 Cavlanau�h.
23 i MR. MONTPETIT: Nor do I , Your Honor.
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24 THE JUDGE: Okay. You' re excused, sir.
25 Thank you.
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1 MR. BYRNE: Officer Kosloske.
2 OFFICER ROBERT KOSLOSKE
3 after being first duly sworn, testified as follows:
4 THE JUDGE: Thank you. Your name?
5 THE WITNESS: Robert Kosloske, K-O-S-L-O-S-
6 K-E.
7 DIRECT EXAMINATION
8 BY MR. BYRNE:
9 Q Officer Kosloske, you' re employed by the City of St.
10 Pawl as a police officer, is that correct?
� 11 A That's correct.
12 Q And how long have you been a police officer for the
13 ci�y?
14 A For the city approximately one year.
15 Q Previous to that were you a police officer in another
16 jurisdiction?
17 A Yes, sir.
18 Q Where was that?
19 A Stearns County Sheriff' s Department for ( inaudible) .
20 Q And since you joined the St. Paul Police Department
21 where h�ve you been assigned?
22 A I worked downtown or Rice Street area or occasionally
23 on the west side.
� 24 Q On the night of July 14 and the early morning of July
25 15 of this year where were you assigned, what sector or
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1 division?
2 A I was assigned to the west side, assigned to a detail
3 by my sergeant, Sergeant Joseph Renteria (phonetic) , to
4 monitor certain locations on the west side.
5 , Q W�uld that have been from roughly about midnight of
6 July 14 and July 15 until about 1 : 30 in the morning?
7 A That' s correct.
8 Q What was the purpose of your assignment and what were
9 you to7d to do?
10 A I was informed that they had received numerous citizen
� 11 complaints about certain areas on the west side and I was
12 requested to monitor them using a surveillance type van.
13 Q Okay. Specifically when you say certain areas do you
14 me�n the Wabasha Bar?
15 A Yes, sir.
16 Q Okay. Was that the area you did surveillance on that
17 particular evening?
18 A Yes, sir, and several others.
19 Q An�d several other bars. During what time span did you
20 conduct surveillance of the Wabasha Bar?
21 A Fr�m approximately midnight to 1 : 30.
22 Q Okay. A surveillance van, what type of a vehicle is
23 that?
� 24 A Just basically a window van.
25 ( End of Tape 1 , Side 2)
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1 THE JUDGE: Okay. Proceed.
2 MR. BYRNE: Thank you, Your Honor.
3 BY MR. BYRNE:
4 Q When you were doing your surveillance of the Wabasha
5 Bar, Officer Kosloske, where did you park? Where were you
6 lacated?
7 A I was parked kitty-corner from the Wabasha Bar.
8 There's a small parking lot there adjacent to a building. I
9 was parked there.
10 Q Can you estimate the rough distance from where you were
• 11 to the front door of the Wabasha Bar?
12 A The width of the street and sidewalks. I don't know
13 what tlhat would be, fifty feet, seventy feet.
14 Q Whatever the distance was, you were direct across the
15 street.
16 A Kitty-corner.
17 Q Kitty-corner. Okay. Was your view of the front of the
18 Wabasha Bar unobstructed?
19 A Yes, it was.
20 Q ' What are the lighting conditions around that
21 in�ters�ction in so far as being able to observe people
22 st�nding at the front of the Wabasha Bar?
23 A ', If I recall correctly, there's a street lamp on the
� 24 sa�ne corner as the Wabasha Bar.
25 Q , All right. Your recollection that evening, were you
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1 a�le to see people in front of the bar fairly well?
2 A Yes, I was. There's also a -- I believe they have a
3 light on the outside of the Wabasha bar which illuminates
4 the doorway.
5 Q O�ay. Can you see faces, for example?
6 A Y�s, you can.
7 Q If somebody was talking to somebody else you can see
8 that tMey' re talking to somebody else?
9 A YQS, sir.
10 Q Could you relate then to the Administrative Law Judge
� 11 what you saw and observed when you were conducting that
12 surveillance?
13 A While I was watching the bar I noticed numerous people
14 co�ing in and out, male and female. They had what appeared
15 to be drinks in hand, looked like beer cans. There appeared
16 to be a bouncer at the door. He was always standing at the
17 door, so I assume he was the bouncer.
18 THE JUDGE: Inside or outside?
19 THE WITNESS: He was right at the doorway.
20 He wouldn't stop the people as they were coming in and out
21 wi�h t�eir drinks. He wasn 't stopping them.
22 BY MR. BYRNE:
23 Q What did you see then?
� 24 A Well , that continued until about closing. At about
25 1 :00 o' clock, five minutes to, they started asking people to
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1 leave, kicking them out. As they were leaving he just let
2 them l�ave with drinks in hand again. And they -- most of
3 th�em w�nt to their vehicles and left with the drinks.
4 Q Did people actually have been cans when they left the
5 bar and go to their vehicles and drive away with the beer
6 cans?
7 A Yes.
8 Q Did you see anything else at closing or after closing?
9 A Af�ter they had gotten everybody out a fight erupted out
10 front and I had to call squads for that.
� 11 Q Were you in plain clothes when you were --
12 A Yes, I was.
13 Q -- watching the bar?
14 A Yes.
15 Q Ar�d so you had to call squads to come in on that
16 matter?
17 A Ye�ah, ( inaudible) .
18 Q How many people were involved in the fight?
19 A Only two, but there was I suppose ten people in front
20 of the bar.
21 Q An�f was it noisy?
22 A Yes, it was.
23 Q At what level of noise would you say?
� 24 A You could clearly hear every word that was being
25 spoken. They were swearing at each other and shouting.
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1 Q W�re you able to observe whether or not the people who
2 were coming out of the bar or involved in the activities out
3 in front, whether or not their physical motions, were they
4 staggering? Can you describe -- obviously I 'm going to ask
5 you at some point whether you think they were under the
6 influernce or had been drinking. But, before I do that would
7 you relate to the Administrative Law Judge what you saw
8 about them that relate to their -- your judgment as to their
9 level of influence?
10 A A few people I did see were staggering. I didn' t pay
• 11 that much attention, simply because it is a bar and it was
12 closing time. It's expected behavior. But there were a few
13 people that were staggering, had difficulty walking, had to
14 be assisted out of the bar.
15 Q In terms of the number of people coming out with beer
16 cans or other drinks in their hands, how many had been cans?
17 A I don't recall . Three, possibly four.
18 Q As a percentage of the total number, were there half of
19 them or one-third of them or, you know, even if you don't
20 know the absolute total numbers, a rough comparison between
21 all the people who were leaving?
22 A Not everybody. I would say under half.
23 Q Un�er half.
� 24 A Yeah.
25 Q Of the people that you saw that were staggering, were
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1 those people in your judgment and experience, had they been
2 drinking?
3 A I would say so, yes.
4 Q Ar�d were they to your judgment or opinion under the
5 i n�f 1 uence of a 1 coho 1?
6 MR. MONTPETIT: Objection , Your Honor. We
7 have eUen less here than we had with Sergeant Cavanaugh.
8 This witness has indicated "he didn't pay that much
9 attention" after counsel asked him whether or not they were
10 s�aggering. Again, there's no foundation whatsoever.
. 11 THE JUDGE: I think, counsel , what we should
12 do, since this is a generalized question and we' re talking
13 about a generalized population of people, an undeterminate
14 nwmber of people coming and going, we' re going to have to be
15 more specific somehow as to whom he's going to address his
16 opinion. I will allow him to testify as to what his opinion
17 is, but he' s going to have to be more specific as to whom
18 hs's going to attach that stigma and where they were and
19 what they did rather than just say that as a group people
20 were �11 in the same bag.
21 MR. BYRNE: All right. Thank you. I
22 uinderStand, Your Honor.
23 B�Y MR. BYRNE:
� 24 Q Did you understand the Judge's ruling in that respect?
25 How many of the crowd are you able to say or have an opinion
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1 as to whether or not they had been drinking?
2 A I don' t know, sir. It's hard to determine.
3 THE JUDGE: Are you able to give us an
4 estimate of how many people you observed leaving the bar
5 during the forty-five minute period that you observed it?
6 THE WITNESS: There was probably twenty
7 people left the bar during that time, and that's including
8 c7osing, everybody leaving.
9 THE JUDGE: Mr. Byrne.
10 MR. BYRNE: Thank you, Your Honor.
� 11 BY MR. BYRNE:
12 Q Of those twenty how many did you observe closely enough
13 or pay enough attention to to observe their behaviors with
14 respect to consumption of alcoholic beverages?
15 A I would say six.
i6 Q That's a rough amount, not --
17 A A rough amount.
18 Q Of� those six, did they all come out at closing or did
19 some come out earlier than that?
20 A Most of them came at closing.
21 Q A rough break down on that.
22 A Faur or five came out at closing, probably one or two
23 just prior to that.
� 24 Q And what is it about their behavior that would lead you
25 to have some judgment about their degree of consumption of
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1 alcohol?
2 A Their walk, which was staggering, needed assistance,
3 ( inaudible) , several others were very hostile, swearing
4 lOUdly.
5 Q Qid some of that group come out with beer cans in their
6 hands?
7 A Yes.
8 Q Were those six that you've zeroed in on, were those
9 p�rsor�s that your experience -- well , in your experience as
10 a police officer and before that with Stearns County
* 11 Sheriff's Department have you seen intoxicated people or
12 people under the influence?
13 A Yes, I have.
14 Q You've seen how people behave and act and what their
15 impairments are when they've had too much to drink?
16 A Yes, I have.
17 Q W'ere these people you observed at the Wabasha Bar
18 persons who were under the influence of alcohol?
19 MR. MONTPETIT: Objection, no foundation.
20 THE JUDGE: Overruled, you can testify.
21 THE WITNESS: In my opinion they were.
22 ' THE JUDGE: And you' re talking about six
23 people during the forty five minute period in which you were
� 24 odserving the bar?
25 THE WITNESS: Yes, sir.
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1 �Y MR. BYRNE:
2 Q You've indicated the bouncer made no attempt to stop
3 psopl� leaving the bar with beers or drinks?
4 A Mone whatsoever.
5 MR. BYRNE: I have no further questions.
6 THE JUDGE: Mr. Montpetit.
7 CROSS EXAMINATION
8 BY MR, MONTPETIT:
9 Q Wsing this picture for illustration . You were parked
10 here mn Wabasha facing towards Concorde?
� 11 A � was off the street. There's a parking lot that's off
12 t�e picture here, a small parking lot right on the corner.
13 Q Okay. Over there?
14 A It' s right in here. Right on the corner.
15 Q In that parking lot?
16 A In that parking lot.
17 MR. BYRNE: You' re Honor, I 'd like that to be
18 -- I think we should have marked it before. Mark it so the
19 r�cord will know what the witnesses are referring to.
20 THE JUDGE: Exhibits --
21 , MR. MONTPETIT: There's five pictures.
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22 THE JUDGE: Five. Do you want them in any
23 particular order? Respondent's Exhibits 1 through 5 marked
� 24 far i denti f i cati on .
25 MR. MONTPETIT: Counsel , will you stipulate
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1 to the admission of these exhibits?
2 MR. BYRNE: I have no problem with their
3 admis�ion, Your Honor.
4 THE JUDGE: Okay. They will be received.
5 BY MR. MONTPETIT:
6 Q Referring to Respondent's Exhibit 1 , Officer, directly
7 acros� from -- diagonally across from the Wabasha Bar there
8 is a vacant parking lot.
9 A �es, sir.
10 Q And is that where your surveillance van was parked?
i11 A �es, sir.
12 Q and which direction was your van facing?
13 A The van was facing south.
14 Q Which would have been towards Concorde?
15 A Which would have been towards --
16 Q I 'm sorry. Towards the other direction.
17 A Towards Humboldt and Wabasha.
18 THE JUDGE: Which way does that mean?
19 THE WITNESS: To the left in the picture.
20 THE JUDGE: So the front of your van was
21 f acing --
22 THE WITNESS: Facing the building right here.
23 THE JUDGE: So when you looked out your van
� 24 which window were you looking out to see the Wabasha Bar?
25 THE WITNESS: Side, right side.
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1 THE JUDGE: The right side window. Okay.
2 That's just windows through the door.
3 THE WITNESS: No, the whole side is a window.
4 THE JUDGE: All right.
5 BY MR. MONTPETIT:
6 Q Would you have been in the front seat?
7 A No, sir, I was in the back of the van.
8 Q The back of the van. Did you have the windows open?
9 A Yes, I did.
10 Q Which windows of the van were open?
� 11 A The back, the side, read side window is open.
12 Q Does the window open such that there is no glass in
13 your view at all?
14 A There's a screen. It's a -- just a screen. You open
15 th�e window and just a screen is there.
16 Q Like a sliding window?
17 A Right.
18 Q Bwt you' re looking through a screen?
19 A Correct.
20 Q How close was your vehicle to the exact corner there,
21 to, the opposite corner?
'
22 A To this corner?
23 Q ' Let's say the sidewalk right here on south Wabasha.
� 24 A I was right next to the sidewalk.
25 Q Next to the sidewalk. Was the door open constantly of
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1 the Wabasha Bar that evening?
2 A Yes, i t �,��s.
3 G? Do you have a recollection as to which way the door
4 swing� open?
5 A I don't recall .
6 Q The person that you saw in the doorway you said
7 appear�ed to be the bouncer. What's your basis for that
8 stater�ent?
9 A He was constantly at the doorway talking to people.
10 That v�as just my assumption.
� 11 Q And where was he located?
12 A Basically right at the doorway, just right inside or
13 something. He was outside of the steps.
14 Q Were there instances when you couldn 't see him, he
15 wasn't within your view?
16 A I suppose there were several , yeah, he went inside the
17 bar or something.
18 Q You indicated that about -- I wrote this down -- you
19 don 't recall how many had beer, you said three or four, is
20 that your recollection?
21 A That's my recollection.
22 Q And there were approximately you said twenty people had
23 exited the bar.
� 24 A That was an estimate.
25 Q I understand. Were you able to identify what these
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1 people, these three or four people had in their hands?
2 A They appeared to be beer cans.
3 Q What's your basis for that statement?
4 A The shininess of the can. The Miller can would
5 probably be gold. There' s no pop cans that I 'm aware of
6 that are that color.
7 Q �o from that distance you were able to indicate or to
8 observe that that was a gold can?
9 A From the light shining off of it it appeared to be.
10 Q How many were gold, all of them?
� 11 A I don't recall .
12 Q Now, you indicated that you called for some assistance.
13 The other two, Sergeant Cavanaugh and Finnegan, indicated
14 that they observed some illegal conduct, some unlawful
15 conduct and didn't make any arrests. Were any arrests made
16 this evening?
17 A I don' t believe so.
18 Q ; Db you think that if arrests would have been made that
19 thiat would have further reduced the situation in that
20 neighborhood?
21 A No.
22 Q ' It wouldn't have. So making an arrest would have done
23 na, good at all .
� 24 A That particular night, probably not.
25 Q I 'm talking about in the future.
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1 A If enforcement is stepped up and you concentrate on the
2 area it probably would for a time.
3 Q Well , you' re the third person to testify from the
4 police department that illegal conduct occurred and no
5 arrests were made.
6 A Arrests have been made there.
7 Q I 'm talking about this particular evening.
8 A No, sir, not that particular evening.
9 Q Why not?
10 A �t was a very busy night.
� 11 Q Busy night.
12 A Busy night.
13 Q What day of the week was it?
14 A I believe it was either a Friday or Saturday night.
15 The officers that responded, if they felt an arrest was
16 necessary, I 'm sure they would have.
17 MR. MONTPETIT: I don't have any further
18 qu�stions. Excuse me, I do too.
19 BY MR. MONTPETIT:
20 Q How did you happen to be there that evening?
21 A I was assigned by my sergeant.
22 Q Who was that?
23 A Sergeant Joe Renteria.
� 24 MR. MONTPETIT: Thank you.
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1 9Y MR. BYRNE:
2 Q Officer Kosloske, your assignment there that night was
3 not to make arrests, however, it was just to watch what was
4 g�oing on, is that correct?
5 A That' s correct, just to monitor it and validate the
6 citiz�n complaints.
7 Q In your view were the citizen complaints validated?
8 MR. MONTPETIT: I 'm going to object as
9 cslling for a conclusion.
10 THE JUDGE: Well , it is. I 'm not sure he's
� 11 indicated what citizen complaints he's aware of.
12 BY MR. BYRNE:
13 Q W�at were the citizen complaints again?
14 A Fighting, people outs•ide the bar with drinks, swearing
15 t�at goes on after closing, shouting outside, disturbances
16 basically.
17 Q D�d all those behaviors take place while you were
18 watching?
19 MR. MONTPETIT: Object as being repetitious.
20 he's already testified that they have and he's invading the
21 prpvince of this hearing officer.
22 THE JUDGE: Well , he can answer that
23 qu�stion.
� 24 BY MR. BYRNE:
25 Q We�re all those behaviors exhibited while you watched?
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1 A Yes, they were.
2 4 And were the citizen complaints then valid?
3 A In my opinion, yes.
4 Q In terms of the other cans of beer that were sold, did
5 you also recall seeing any Miller Lite cans?
6 A I don't recall .
7 Q Could there have been?
8 A There could have been.
9 MR. BYRNE: I have no further questions.
10 THE JUDGE: Does this bar also serve liquor?
� 11 THE WITNESS: I 'm not aware, sir.
12 THE JUDGE: You didn't testify about any
13 glasses leaving the bar.
14 THE WITNESS: No, I don' t recall .
15 THE JUDGE: Just beer cans.
16 THE WITNESS: Yes.
17 THE JUDGE: Did you see any beer cans thrown
18 on the sidewalk or outside the bar anywhere?
19 THE WITNESS: Yes, there was.
20 THE JUDGE: Did you see them thrown there?
21 THE WITNESS: I seen several thrown, yes.
22 THE JUDGE: What's your understanding of what
23 hours a bar is allowed to sell off-sale beer?
� 24 THE WITNESS: I 'm not aware of any, if they
25 are or not.
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1 THE JUDGE: Okay. Would you know whether or
2 not t�is bar is able to sell off-sale liquor or beer?
3 THE WITNESS: Off-sale?
4 THE JUDGE: Yeah, off-sale.
5 THE WITNESS: I don't know, sir.
6 THE JUDGE: All right. I have nothing.
7 Gentlemen, anything else?
8 MR. BYRNE: No, Your Honor. .
9 MR. MONTPETIT: Nothing, Your Honor.
10 THE JUDGE: Okay. You' re excused.
� 11 MR. BYRNE: Your Honor, I would call Paula
12 Sanchez.
13 PAULA SANCHEZ
14 after being first duly sworn, testified as follows:
15 THE JUDGE: Thank you. Your name?
16 THE WITNESS: Paula Sanchez , S-A-N-C-H-E-Z.
17 THE JUDGE: Okay. Mr. Byrne.
18 DIRECT EXAMINATION
19 BY MR. BYRNE:
20 Q Mrs. Sanchez, you live in the area of the Wabasha Bar?
21 A Y�s, I do. I live right up the hill from the Wabasha
22 Bar.
23 Q Arod how far a distance is that from the Wabasha Bar?
� 24 A About three-quarters of a block. But there's a walkway
25 th�t goes directly from the bar to the front of our home.
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1 And there are no other buildings or anything ( inaudible) .
2 THE JUDGE: A walkway other than sidewalk?
3 THE WITNESS: Yes. A walkway that goes from
4 the corner or right behind the bar to ( inaudible) a dead end
5 street.
6 THE JUDGE: This is in the back. You' re not
7 talking about an alley.
8 THE WITNESS: (no audible answer)
9 THE JUDGE: A path.
10 THE WITNESS: It's a sidewalk with steps that
� 11 the city maintains.
12 THE JUDGE: Kind of a diagonal line away from
13 -- what's the name of that road?
14 MR. BYRNE: What's the name of this street?
15 THE WITNESS: It's Wabasha, Isabelle,
16 Isabelle hill .
17 THE JUDGE: So you' re talking three-quarters
18 of a block in a diagonal fashion.
19 THE WITNESS: Right from behind the bar. So
20 th�t when we look out our front windows the bar is right on
21 our� right.
22 THE JUDGE: Okay.
23 BY MR. BYRNE:
� 24 Q Mrs. Sanchez, maybe -- presuming on Mr. Montpetit's
25 good graces of using his exhibit. This is an aerial
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1 photoeraph which shows the -- get oriented with the Wabasha
2 Bar at that corner. Here's Wabasha. That's Isabelle. Do
3 you recognize --
4 A Where's the bar?
5 Q Right there.
6 A This would be the walkway.
7 Q Right up here, right there. So you can actually see
8 the b�r from your home.
9 A Y'es.
10 Q You' re married, is that correct?
� 11 A Yes.
12 Q And your husband is Tom Sanchez , works for the City in
13 the Department of Planning and Economic Development.
14 A Yes.
15 Q Do you have children at home?
16 A We have three children; fifteen year old daughter, and
17 eleven year old son and a nine year old daughter.
18 Q And on occasion do you have other young children
19 staying with you?
20 A Yes. They always have friends, and we have relatives
21 ( iMaudible) .
22 Q How long have you lived at that particular location?
23 A My parents owned the home before my husband and I
� 24 bought it, so I 've lived in the home about twenty-three
25 yeairs, other than two years after we got married, and then
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1 my parents were living there.
2 Q Mave you lived at other locations in the west side as
3 well?
4 A Yes.
5 Q In the two year period that you were talking about.
6 A We lived right down a block from there actually.
7 Q And you have roots in the community and you intend to
8 stay there and raise your family, is that correct?
9 A That's been our hope.
10 Q Afe there other houses and residences in the vicinity
� 11 of where you live?
12 A It's a residential area right at the top of the hill
13 when you get up the steps, and there's a home right next to
14 us.
15 Q And you indicate that you can see the bar from your
16 hon�e?
17 A YeS.
18 Q Can you give, maybe estimating distances is difficult
19 to do, but can you give some kind of an estimate of the
20 distanc�, either by feet or yards or half a city block or
21 quarter of a block, some way to describe how close you are
22 to the Judge?
23 A I said it was about three-quarters of a block in
� 24 distance.
25 Q If somebody is standing by the back door of the Wabasha
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1 Bar can you see them from your house?
2 A I can see them from the back of the bar and also on the
3 side �treet near the back entrance of the bar. And then I
4 can s�e the corner of the Triple A building that's across
5 the street, so it' s that kind of an angle, the side and the
6 back of the bar.
7 Q Let's talk about some specific incidents that you have
8 obserued with respect to the Wabasha Bar. First let me take
9 ypu to April 14th of this year, where were you when you saw
10 something relating to the Wabasha Bar?
� 11 A Were in our upstairs bedroom that faces the bar.
12 Q And what time of day was that?
13 A It was around -- it was Saturday before Easter Sunday
14 sa we had been out ( inaudible) so we got back kind of late.
15 Q When you say we were out --
16 A My husband and I .
17 Q The kids were in bed?
18 A Yes .
19 Q What happened or what did you see?
20 A I had fallen asleep, we woke up to yelling and we
21 looked out the window and there was a fight going on right
22 on the Isabelle hill and it looked as though a person was
23 being hit with a pool cue and stick or something like that.
� 24 My husband woke up and called the police and they said that
25 they were on the way. And the police came. We could see
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1 the man laying in the street and the ambulance came after
2 that.
3 Q Was the noise of the fight real loud?
4 A Yes. It woke us up.
5 Q Did you have windows in the house open?
6 A Yes.
7 Q Can you relate those two people to the Wabasha Bar?
8 W�re �hey just two people who happened to be in the
9 naighl�orhood or do you make a connection between the Wabasha
10 Bar ar�d those two people?
� 11 A Well , we woke up to the noise. The activity was coming
12 back and forth from the area of the Wabasha Bar, across the
13 street. And so because of living there for so long and
14 seeing similar activity, I related it to the Wabasha.
15 THE JUDGE: Can you locate for us exactly
16 where it was you saw this fight taking place?
17 THE WITNESS: It was --
18 THE JUDGE: Would this help?
19 THE WITNESS: Yes.
20 THE JUDGE: Maybe we ought to mark this too.
21 As' long as we' re going to continue to use this. Mr.
22 Montpetit?
23 MR. MONTPETIT: That's my ( inaudible) .
� 24 MR. BYRNE: That will be Respondent's Exhibit
25 6. Are you just going to do the top one?
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1 MR. MONTPETIT: No, let's do them both
2 b�ecau5e one expands --
3 THE JUDGE: Expands the other?
4 MR. MONTPETIT: Yeah. Might as well mark
5 them both.
6 THE JUDGE: Okay. What is this?
7 , MR. BYRNE: This is 6 , Your Honor.
8 THE JUDGE: Okay. Referring to Exhibit 7 ,
9 c�n yclu try to locate for us where you saw the fight taking
10 p 1 ace?,
� 11 THE WITNESS: It was right here, just about
12 in this area right across from --
13 THE JUDGE: Is the Wabasha Bar the whole
14 building that I 'm indicating here?
15 THE WITNESS: Yes. This is Triple A and it
16 was right in this area.
17 THE JUDGE: Okay. On which side of the
18 street?
19 THE WITNESS: On the Triple A side. It was
20 occurring right outside the back.
21 THE JUDGE: Now the Triple A side, is this
22 the Triple A --
23 THE WITNESS: This is the Triple A building.
� 24 THE JUDGE: So you' re saying that people were
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25 on that side of the street?
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1 THE WITNESS: Yes. They were right on the
2 street across from the bar, on that side of the street.
3 THE JUDGE: In the street or on the sidewalk?
4 THE WITNESS: They were in the street.
5 THE JUDGE: In the street. This is Isabelle.
6 THE WITNESS: Yes.
7 THE JUDGE: In the street. If it is --
8 although I don' t see that, there's a center line on
9 Isabelle. If there were a center line on Isabelle, where
10 were t�hey in relation to the center line, what would be the
� 11 center line?
12 THE WITNESS: They were right in this area.
13 THE JUDGE: So on the far side of the street
14 across from the bar. There's no -- well , there's a
15 sidewalk. Not on the boulevard, the grass boulevard.
16 THE WITNESS: No.
17 THE JUDGE: In the street.
18 THE WITNESS: Uh-huh. (meaning yes)
19 THE JUDGE: Is there a parking lot on that
20 side of that street?
21 THE WITNESS: Uh-huh. (meaning yes)
22 THE JUDGE: Do you recall if there happened
23 to be cars on that side of the street that evening?
� 24 THE WITNESS: There was a car parked. It was
25 kind of behind the car, in the back area.
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1 THE JUDGE: So in the traffic lane and/or the
2 parking area?
3 THE WITNESS: Uh-huh. (meaning yes)
4 THE JUDGE: Okay. How many people were
5 involved in that fight?
6 THE WITNESS: I saw three people.
7 THE JUDGE: Any observers?
8 THE WITNESS: There was a lot of screaming,
9 so af�er we woke up when we went to call the police there
10 w�re other people that were kind of back and forth and then
� 11 the ambulance came. So then there were more people
12 involved, so --
13 THE JUDGE: Observers that came from the bar
14 you' re saying?
15 THE WITNESS: Yes. It was 12: 00 o'clock at
16 night, so . . .
17 THE JUDGE: Okay. I 'm sorry, Mr. Byrne.
18 MR. BYRNE: That's okay.
19 B� MR. BYRNE:
20 Q The other people were coming from the bar because the
21 ba'r was still open at midnight?
22 A , (no audible answer)
23 Q ' You indicated that -- with respect to that type of
� 24 thiing, that's not the first or the only time that that
25 happened.
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1 A We call the police quite often. And there's a lot of
2 loud noises, especially in the summer, from the spring until
3 the fall . The door of the bar is often open and after
4 ninet�en years with the loud yelling and whatever, you can
5 distinguish between loud boisterous kind of noises and
6 noises when someone needs help. And that's why we called
7 the police.
8 Q Okay.
9 � THE JUDGE: Is there a door other than this
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10 one on the corner that people come out of out of this bar?
i 11 THE WITNESS: There's a door here.
12 THE JUDGE: Toward the back end of the
13 building.
14 THE WITNESS: Uh-huh. (meaning yes)
15 THE JUDGE: That faces Isabelle, that second
16 door faces Isabelle.
17 THE WITNESS: Yes, it does.
18 THE JUDGE: Is that a normal ingress and
19 egress for that bar?
20 THE WITNESS: No. Most of the activity is
21 cor�i ng out of th i s f ront door.
22 THE JUDGE: Okay. But they can use the other
23 dopr as well , is that right?
� 24 THE WITNESS: It's been open on occasion.
25 THE JUDGE: Okay. But the door that you' re
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1 talki�g about that is often open, is that the one on the
2 corner?
3 THE WITNESS: That's the front door, this
4 door.
5 THE JUDGE: Okay. Can you see that --
6 THE WITNESS: In the front on Wabasha.
7 THE JUDGE: Can you see that -- you can't see
8 that one from your house.
9 THE WITNESS: I can 't see that from my house.
10 THE JUDGE: Can you see the other one from
, 11 your house?
12 THE WITNESS: No, I can just see the side of
13 -- the side of the hill .
14 THE JUDGE: Okay.
15 BY MR. BYRNE:
16 Q Mrs. Sanchez, let's go now to another date and another
17 incidemt that relates to the Wabasha Bar, April 26. Again ,
18 let's �stablish where you were, what time of day it was.
19 A I was downstairs. It was Thursday evening. It was
20 be�ween 5: 30 and 6: 30. My husband was gone. I was home
21 with my three children and I had two nieces that I was
22 watching at the time.
23 Q Yau were downstairs of --
� 24 A ( inaudible) .
25 Q Okay. Go ahead.
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1 A h�y eight year old daughter came downstairs. My nieces
2 are s�ven, nine and eleven. She came down stairs and said,
3 mommy, there's some people outside doing some nasty things
4 and they had all but upstairs playing in my son' s bedroom,
5 and his bedroom also faces the front. And so I went
6 upstai� rs, I said what's the matter. She said mommy there's
7 a lady outside and she' s -- a man and a lady and she's
8 licking his privates and he's patting her on the head like a
9 dog. And I went into the bedroom and I yelled out the
10 windov� and screamed at them to leave and they looked up and
� 11 just kind of blurry eyed kept doing what they were doing. I
12 went outside to the front of my yard and I was at a distance
13 from about here to that wall and yelled at them to get out.
14 They looked up at me and again just kind of started to get
15 their things together and continued to walk ( inaudible) .
16 THE JUDGE: Where were these people located?
17 THE WITNESS: Just behind the bar on the
18 sidewalk that I told you about.
19 BY MR. BYRNE:
20 Q , C�n you indicate on the map where that was Mrs.
21 Sa�chez?
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22 A , ( inaudible) This was in April so there weren't leaves
23 on � the trees or . . .
� 24 I THE JUDGE: So this is what? How far between
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25 yo�r hause to the bar?
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1 THE WITNESS: About half-way.
2 THE JUDGE: About half-way. And it's on that
3 -- and you say this sidewalk, is it like a public sidewalk?
4 THE WITNESS: Un-huh. (meaning yes)
5 BY MR. BYRNE:
6 Q �o you relate that activity to the Wabasha Bar?
7 A I do and I did immediately. There had been a lot --
8 MR. MONTPETIT: Excuse me, Your Honor. I 'm
9 going to object as to no foundation.
10 MR. BYRNE: Well , she's answering right now.
* 11 THE JUDGE: Well , you can testify what
12 connection you made between these people and the bar.
13 THE WITNESS: During the spring there was a
14 lot of activity from the bar to a home and DeLoss (phonetic)
15 and also a home on Isabelle. So people would walk from here
16 up this sidewalk and up this sidewalk. And when I went out
17 ir�to the front yard I recognized the woman. I had worked at
18 th�e church right here. She's a woman that I dealt with.
19 Anld the man was a man that I had seen at the house on
20 De,Loss.
21 BY' MR. BYRNE:
22 Q i When you say that there's a connection between the
23 ho�se on DeLoss and the bar, can you be more specific as to
� 24 whpt tMat --
25 A �, Jwst a lot of back and forth activity, people going
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1 from the bar into the house. People going from the bar
2 ( inaudible) .
3 Q `You' re at home most of the day taking care of the
4 children so you -- or when do you observe these back and
5 forth behaviors?
6 A On weekends, a lot of Thursdays, Fridays, very active.
7 Q Did this have -- this incident have any ill effects on
8 your ahildren and have you tried to deal with that?
9 A � 'm an elementary teacher by profession. I 've worked ,
10 with kids for seventeen years. I talk sex education to
* 11 fifth graders and to ninth graders. And it took everything
12 I had within me to deal with that because -- I didn' t call
13 the palice because all I wanted to do was to get rid of the
14 p�ople and get back into the house and deal with the kids.
15 And so I really mustered up a lot in trying to handle it so
16 that t�hey can talk about it and have the questions. And one
17 oi� the questions that my youngest niece had asked, she said,
18 is� this what they' re talking about in sex education. So we
19 just went through a lot of it. And I think I handled it
20 we�ll and it was very hard. When my sister-in-law came to
21 pillck up the girls I had to tell her what happened.
22 But, you know, I think that they were given an
23 opportunity to talk it through and they think about it, but
� 24 I '�n ho�eful ( inaudible) .
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25 Q ; In terms of the two people, the man and the woman, do
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1 you know them to be in your -- because of what you observed
2 to be patrons of the Wabasha Bar?
3 A I would say that -- yes to the gentleman. To the
4 w�man, from my past experience with her, she's a real
5 victim.
6 Q On that particular date in question is it your judgment
7 from the facts that they had come from the Wabasha Bar?
8 A It's my judgment that they had.
9 Q And the basis for that is what you 've already testified
10 t0.
� 11 A (no audible answer)
12 Q Anything additional that would support that conclusion
13 ih your mind?
14 A (no audible answer)
15 Q Let's go on then to June 22nd of this year, a late
16 Friday night. Again, if you would indicate for the
17 Ad�inistrative Law Judge where you were, who was with you
18 anl� what you were doing when you might have observed
19 soMething.
20 A TMe situation on April 26th made me aware that it was
21 --'; you know, I had been putting up with a lot of things that
22 af�er a period of time you just can't put up with because
23 yo�a've lived there for so long. And it really brought to me
�� 24 -- I' that I needed to be more aware. On June 22nd I was
25 wa�ching the bar, ( inaudible) surveillance from my home.
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1 The windows were open. When I would hear a noise, I had
2 some binocular, I would go out on the bluff and observe what
3 was h�ppening.
4 THE JUDGE: Out on the what?
5 THE WITNESS: Out on the bluff. This was a
6 hill .
7 THE JUDGE: Oh. I see. So you' re talking
8 about what, on your yard?
9 THE WITNESS: Yes.
10 BY MR. ' BYRNE:
� 11 Q What time -- were you making a special effort to watch
12 the ba�r during certain periods of time?
13 A Fr�om about 10:30 to 1 :00 o'clock usually on Thursday,
14 Fr7day or Saturday, that's when the most noise ( inaudible) .
15 Q Okay. Was anybody with you at that time?
16 A My husband ( inaudible) .
17 Q Could you relate to the Judge what you may have
18 observed with respect to the Wabasha Bar?
19 A One time we heard this noise and we went outside and
20 there was a couple leaving the bar and the man was
21 sta�ggerdng. They went to the car and got in, sat in the car
22 for� a wMile, got out. She drove away. He walked to the
23 back of the bar, walked around behind it, stood up against
� 24 the', wall facing the wall and then he bent over and then he
25 stopd up like this and fixed himself up again and went back
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1 to the front of the bar. So he would have walked from here
2 around to the back of the bar, around to the corner and back
3 into the front area of the bar.
4 THE JUDGE: Where you' re saying he bent over,
5 that was where?
6 THE WITNESS: Around behind the bar. There's
7 a big trash bin so he was in that area.
8 THE JUDGE: In between the buildings?
9 THE WITNESS: ( inaudible)
10 BY MR. BYRNE:
. 11 Q Was the action you saw when he bent over, was that
12 consistent with throwing up?
13 A I would have thought that when he against the way it
14 looked like he could have been urinating, I don't know.
15 From tMat distance I couldn't say that. And yes, the
16 po�ture that he had made me thing that he was throwing up.
17 Especially when he stood up he kind of fixed himself up and
18 went around the side of the bar.
19 Q What then did you observe any other incidents or
20 spec i f i cs?
21 A That same night another two people came out of the bar.
22 The man was holding a can. And ( inaudible) . He went to the
23 car to the passenger side and got his keys and had
� 24 difficulty getting his keys into the lock, opened the door.
25 The oth�r person got into the car. He went around to the
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1 front and with the can in his hand drove away.
2 Q In terms of walking to the car, did you notice anything
3 about his walk that was unusual?
4 A It was again, you know -- after the first incident we
5 went back into the house. It was a loud kind of noise. We
6 c�me back out. Just kind of a boisterous sound that brought
7 u$ back out.
8 Q Was the person staggering or having difficulty walking?
9 A N'ot so much. There was the slang and the difficulty
10 with the key.
� 11 Q Aibout at any other point in that evening any other
12 incidents that you observed?
13 A Just around closing time there's a lot of loud
14 activity --
15 THE JUDGE: You' re talking generally, you' re
16 not talking June 22nd?
17 THE WITNESS: I 'm talking June 22nd.
18 THE JUDGE: Okay.
19 THE WITNESS: It's just a lot of loud,
20 boisterous behavior, yelling, people getting in cars
21 sc�eeching off.
22 BY MR. BYRNE:
23 Q Did you see any particular people that you recall or
� 24 are you just referring to a larger group of people and
25 activity on June 22nd?
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2 THE JUDGE: Okay. Proceed.
3 THE WITNESS: No, not specific, just general .
4 BY MR. BYRNE:
5 Q Did you observe anything about the way they walked or
6 Gonducted themselves that was unusual , staggering or swaying
7 dr anything of that kind at more toward closing time?
8 A What I observed at closing time was what I see a lot,
9 and it's people who are loud, boisterous, swaying, having
10 diffi�ulty with walking and ( inaudible) .
� 11 Q �kay. Did you observe at closing time on that occasion
12 other people urinating or going out behind the bar?
13 A 4n that occasion I didn 't.
14 Q On other occasions did you see that?
15 A That particular activity, no.
16 Q All right. Let' s go then to the evening of July 6th of
17 this year, again, a Friday night. And if you could
18 establish where you were and who you were with and what time
19 of day it was.
20 A Again, I was up in my room falling asleep.
21 Q ' What time roughly?
22 A � It was about 12 : 00 o'clock ( inaudible) . And I could
23 t�ll something was happening in front of the bar and I heard
� 24 alwoma�n screaming and she was yelling the name of a person ,
25 it sounded like Sharon or Karen. There were two women
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1 walking up the hill and this other person behind them a
2 distance. And she was saying, come back here, god dammit, I
3 was going to help you, I don' t need your help, screaming as
4 loud as they could. At that time a police car came around
5 Wabasha and the Isabelle hill and the situation got quiet.
6 Q po you -- you said when you first started testifying
7 about that that you could hear something happening in front
8 of the bar. Did you mean to say that?
9 A Yes. I could hear the women's voices and that's what
10 woke me up. And then I saw the women going up the
� 11 ( inaudible) .
12 Q Is this a common thing for you to be able to hear loud
13 noises and know that it' s coming from the front of the bar?
14 A We can hear from spring, you know, through -- our
15 windows are open. We don ' t have air conditioning. And in
16 th�e quit of the night we can hear.
17 Q There are no other bars in the immediate vicinity from
18 which that noise would come?
19 A (no audible answer)
20 Q And your long experience in the neighborhood let's you
21 kn�w exactly where that' s coming from, is that what you' re
22 sa�ing?
23 MR. MONTPETIT: Your Honor, he's leading the
� 24 wi�ness. Either she knows where it' s coming from or she
25 doesn 't.
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1 THE JUDGE: It is a little leading, Mr.
2 Byrne.
3 MR. BYRNE: Well , I ' ll let you do the
4 testifying , Mrs. Sanchez .
5 THE WITNESS: There's nothing else in that
6 area at that time of night.
7 BY MR. BYRNE:
8 Q Now you've testified to events happening on four
9 speci�ic occasions that we've covered here. What you' ve
10 observed on those four evenings, is that isolated
� 11 occurr�nces that are unique, or are they typical of things
12 that you 've observed over the last couple of years?
13 A They' re typical of weekly occurrences. We drive by the
14 bar probably two to five times a day. On Thursday, Friday,
15 Saturd�y night, every weekend ( inaudible) well , we have been
16 woken up by loud noises. I very seldom leave my kids during
17 the summer on weekends because we don't have air
18 conditioning and because the windows are open and
19 ( i�audible) .
20 Q Do the conditions at the bar and the patrons of the bar
21 have an effect on your neighborhood?
22 A , We have people that are next to us are a retired
23 couple. The people across the street are senior citizens.
� 24 The peo�,ple behind us are retired. And they -- everyone has
25 their incidences and their stories, but people are very
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1 hesitant to say anything. Even today many people are
2 hesitant to come forward.
3 Q �hat --
4 A Some people that I 've talked to that have situations
5 and have concerns.
6 Q �hat is the effect of the bar on your neighborhood in
7 terms of its livability, it's comfort, security, safety,
8 h�alth and so on?
9 A I ' ll speak only for myself. I said that I don' t leave
10 my kids on weekends. My kids don't wait for the bus in
• 11 front �f the bar. They have been told not to -- you know,
12 if they have to go down the hill to cross the street. We
13 drive the bar, like I said, two to five times a day. The
14 front door is open and the activity that you heard earlier
15 is very common. It just is out there. There are people out
16 front. Their are people on the sidewalk. It' s a common
17 occurr�nce to see people outside the bar and I 've seen
18 people outside the bar with cans and with glasses and they
19 don't look like they' re ( inaudible) .
20 MR. MONTPETIT: I would object to that last
21 st�tement.
22 THE JUDGE: Do you have any estimate of how
23 often -- you drive by two to five times a day. Do you have
� 24 an estimate of how often you see people outside the bar with
25 what appear to be alcoholic beverages?
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1 THE WITNESS: I would say --
2 THE JUDGE: Or any beverages.
3 THE WITNESS: Just in and out activity from
4 three to seven times a week.
5 THE JUDGE: Mr. Byrne.
6 �Y MR. BYRNE:
7 Q You' re familiar with the words of the nuisance language
8 in the ordinance, which in order to be a nuisance something
9 m�ust wnreasonably annoy, injure and endanger the health,
10 s�fety, morals, comfort and repose of a considerable number
� 11 0� members of the public. As a factual matter, is the
12 Wabasha Bar, factually speaking, meet that definition?
13 MR. MONTPETIT: Your Honor, that question is
14 totally objectionable. He' s asking her to interpret the
15 ordin�nce and she's certainly not qualified to do that.
16 THE JUDGE: I think I ' ll sustain that
17 objec�ion , Mr. Byrne. That goes beyond the providence of
18 this witness.
19 MR. BYRNE: All right.
20 BY MR. BYRNE:
21 Q Does the operation of the Wabasha Bar annoy and injure
22 the co�mfort and repose of a considerable number of inembers
23 0� the public in your neighborhood?
� 24 MR. MONTPETIT: Objection, no foundation ,
25 calls for a conclusion. She can testify as to what she
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1 thinks, but not as to the others, and she can 't characterize
2 the testimony of other persons.
3 THE JUDGE: I ' ll sustain that objection, Mr.
4 Byrne.
5 MR. BYRNE: May I ask for purposes of laying
6 fpundation if the sustaining of the objection was based on
7 speaking for other members of the public?
8 THE JUDGE: Yeah, that's right. I think she
9 can te�stify to what effect it has on herself. Everything
10 else I think is kind of beyond her ability to testify.
� 11 BY MR. BYRNE:
12 Q I 've asked you in terms of the effect of the bar on
13 you, and perhaps it's the same question asked a different
14 way, and if it is, just tell me so. But does the operation
15 of the bar annoy, injure and endanger your feelings of
16 safety, comfort and repose as a member of that neighborhood?
17 A I will answer that by saying that for the first time in
18 all the time that I 've lived there I ' d really consider
19 mouing away and it's been a real concern of mine with my
20 kids. It' s also a concern to sell my house with the
21 situation as it is. So that's how it' s affected me.
22 MR. BYRNE: I have no further questions, Your
23 Honpr. Thank you, Mrs. Sanchez .
� 24 ' THE JUDGE: It's close. Mr . Montpetit, would
25 you' be -- with your gentlemen's agreement, perhaps this
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1 would be a good opportunity to a break now and maybe start a
2 little bit early.
3 MR. MONTPETIT: That would be fine.
4 THE JUDGE: Allow time to finish up Mr.
5 Montpetit's cross examination, if you think it would take
6 more than fifteen minutes.
7 MR. MONTPETIT: It's going to take more than
8 fifteen minutes I think. I don 't know. I suspect it will .
9 THE JUDGE: That's what I would suspect too.
10 MR. BYRNE: Could I just ask, do you have any
� 11 problems with babysitters?
12 THE WITNESS: I work during the day so I 've
13 taken the morning, so if we could do it now --
14 THE JUDGE: Okay. With that do we have any
15 pr�ble� going over a little bit, going past 12 :00 o' clock,
16 is that a problem for you?
17 THE WITNESS: No, I 'd rather go --
18 THE JUDGE: You' d rather get it over as soon
19 as you can. Okay. Mr. Montpetit, is that --
20 MR. MONTPETIT: That's fine, sure.
21 THE JUDGE: Okay. Why don' t you do cross
22 ex�mination now, and if it takes a little longer than
23 fifteen twenty minutes, that --
� 24 MR. BYRNE: We' ll just put on a little at the
25 other end of the break.
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1 THE JUDGE: Sure.
2 MR. MONTPETIT: And it may not.
3 THE JUDGE: Yeah.
4 ' CROSS EXAMINATION
5 BY MR. MONTPETIT:
6 Q Mrs. Sanchez , what does your husband do again?
7 A He works for St. Paul .
8 Q And specifically what does he do?
9 A He works for the Department of Planning and Economic
10 D�velapment.
� 11 Q and does his work have anything to do with the
12 neigh�orhood that you live in?
13 A (no audible answer)
14 THE JUDGE: I 'm sorry. It does not?
15 THE WITNESS: No.
16 BY MR. MONTPETIT:
17 Q What are the ages of your children again?
18 A My daughter, who was eight at the time of the 26th, is
19 now nine; my son is eleven; my daughter is sixteen.
20 Q Now, I didn't get all of your testimony, but you said
21 yo�'ve lived there for twenty-three years?
22 A My parents bought the house ( inaudible) .
23 Q And I took this down, your quote was "you've been
� 24 listening to loud yelling for nineteen years" at that
25 lo�ation, is that right?
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1 A (no audible answer)
2 Q Mow, I 'm a little confused as to -- I know where your
3 house is. This is it right here. I 'm pointing to
4 Respondent's Exhibit 7 . This is your house right here.
5 That'� your house right there.
6 A (no audible answer)
7 Q Which way does that house face?
8 A It faces ( inaudible) .
9 Q This way? �
10 A Uh-huh. (meaning yes) It doesn' t sit on the street.
* 11 Q It doesn't sit -- okay. So your bedroom is on which
12 corner of that house?
13 A It's right ( inaudible) .
14 Q So you' re pointing to the corner that's nearest to
15 Isabel1e, correct?
16 A Uh-huh. (meaning yes)
17 Q Now, you ' re in the bedroom and that's where you -- by
18 the way, is that where you made all these observations;
19 14th, 22nd, the 6th, from your bedroom?
20 A The 22nd was out here, on the bluff. The 14th was from
21 th� bedroom and the 22nd ( inaudible) .
22 Q , What was that again?
23 A ( no audible answer)
� 24 Q ' I 'm sorry. What was the last one?
25 A The last one was from the bedroom.
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1 Q fi he bedroom.
2 A Yeah.
3 Q �o you 've got one from the bluff. There's four
4 incid�nts, one from the bluff and three from the bedroom?
5 A two from the bedroom and one from the front of my home
6 right here.
7 Q When you say the bluff, you' re kind of out in the front
8 of your house again, right?
9 A Uh-huh. (meaning yes)
10 Q It' s your testimony that from your house to this
� 11 intersection is three-quarters of a block?
12 A From my house to the back of the bar in the area where
13 I could see is about three-quarters of a block.
14 Q Now --
15 A This is down hill .
16 Q Now, what is this right here? Is this foliage and
17 trees �nd shrubs?
18 A No. It' s the back area of the building.
19 Q I know that. But I mean what about right in here, what
20 is thi5?
� 21 A I�'s --
22 Q Let me ask you this: Are there any trees and foliage
23 right here where I 'm pointing?
� 24 MR. BYRNE: Joel , is this a recent
25 ( inaudible) or is this --
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1 MR. MONTPETIT: I 'm not sure.
2 MR. BYRNE: The witness may be misled by the
3 appearance of this.
4 THE JUDGE: Why don't you just tell us what
5 is the area immediately behind the bar?
6 THE WITNESS: This area is a city park, so
7 it's all mowed and taken care of by the city.
8 THE JUDGE: What about close to the building,
9 the structure itself, what's there? Is there parking back
10 there?
� 11 THE WITNESS: There's -- there are cars that
12 are parked back there and it goes down a little bit behind
13 the bar and then around to the side.
14 THE JUDGE: Let me ask you another question.
15 If you take elevation, how far above -- when you look in a
16 straight line out from the front of your house are you above
17 these buildings here?
18 THE WITNESS: Yes.
19 THE JUDGE: How far? Can you give me some
20 kind of elevation estimate? I mean, you look way over the
21 top of those buildings?
22 THE WITNESS: Uh-huh. (meaning yes)
23 THE JUDGE: Go ahead. I 'm sorry.
� 24 BY MR. MONTPETIT:
25 Q Naw, with reference to that April 14th incident, and
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1 m�ore �pecifically that's two people fighting on the far side
2 of th� street near the Triple A building, is that correct?
3 A Uh-huh. (meaning yes)
4 Q Do you have any idea where those two people came from?
5 A Y woke up when the fight was already -- the screaming
6 was already ( inaudible) . And --
7 Q Do you have any idea where those people came from?
8 A I 'm thinking that they came from --
9 Q I don' t want what you think, but what -- you know -- do
10 you have any idea? Do you know of your own knowledge where
� 11 those two people came from, yes or no?
12 A No. They were on the street.
13 Q You don't know whether they were patrons of the Wabasha
14 Bar?
15 A I wouldn't be here if I didn't --
16 Q Do you know of your own knowledge whether they were
17 pa�ron$ of the Wabasha Bar?
18 MR. BYRNE: Well , wait a minute. Let the
19 witness finish the answer.
20 MR. MONTPETIT: Then tell her to be
21 re$ponsive.
22 MR. BYRNE: Let her finish the answer.
23 � THE JUDGE: Try to answer as best you can.
� 24 �; MR. BYRNE: Go ahead and give your answer.
25 THE WITNESS: I was going to say to you that
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1 I wouldn't be here right now if I didn' t feel very strongly
2 that they had come from the bar.
3 BY MR. MONTPETIT:
4 Q Of your own knowledge do you know whether they came
5 from the bar?
6 A From my own knowledge, no.
7 4 With reference to the incident that occurred on April
8 26th , 1990, the sex act, you indicated �that you recognized
9 the woman?
10 A Uh-huh . (meaning yes)
� 11 Q From where again?
12 A 1 've known her for quite some time.
13 Q Has she been in your neighborhood for quite some time?
14 A She's a woman that is has a lot of emotional
15 ( inaudible) .
16 Q Now, you' re tieing that situation into the Wabasha Bar.
17 as I recall , and I wasn' t quite sure how you tied it in , but
18 what I think you said is because they go back and forth to
19 some house of some kind.
20 A Uh-huh. (meaning yes)
21 Q IWhat house was that again now?
22 A That was a house up near ( inaudible) .
23 4 On what?
� 24 A On ( inaudible) .
25 Q OeLoss? Do you have any other person knowledge as to
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1 wheth�r or not they were patrons of the Wabasha Bar, those
2 two p�ople?
3 A No.
4 Q Zs it true to say that your only basis is this back and
5 forth to some house on DeLoss?
6 A I have seen the man at other times in the bar, outside
7 the bar.
8 Q Are you stating here this morning that the Wabasha Bar
9 has something to do with that situation?
10 A I�n my estimation it did.
� 11 Q What was that?
12 A I ( inaudible) the people have been there. It's the
13 kind of activity that goes on at the bar. It was not
14 ( inaudible) .
15 Q Specifically what should the bar -- I ' ll withdraw that.
16 Specifically what did the bar have to do with that, just
17 being there?
18 A Specifically in my opinion I believe that the bar
19 attracts people and because of the situation that goes on
20 that aren't taken care of, people feel comfortable --
21 Q So I guess we could say just the f act the bar is there
22 is �he problem.
23 A No. Having a bar there is not a problem. But having
� 24 the situations that occur around the bar are a problem.
25 Q Are you saying the bar was responsible for that
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1 incident?
2 A Indirectly.
3 Q Indirectly. Now, you also indicated that that incident
4 occurred within close proximity of the bar. Again, would
5 ypu tell me where that was?
6 A It happened right here.
7 Q So that happened close to three-quarters of a block
8 away from the bar if your house is three-quarters of a
9 block?
10 A It happened between the bar and ( inaudible) .
� 11 Q Okay. Now, you say that woman has been in the
12 neighborhood for some time and she's -- I forget how exactly
13 you described it, she has some problems intellectually or
14 mentally or something like that.
15 A Uh-huh. (meaning yes)
16 Q Have you known her to do anything else, not necessarily
17 of that nature, but just of a nature that would indicate
18 some mental deficiency?
19 A I just know that she's had difficulties.
20 Q Have you seen her around the neighborhood?
21 A I know that she's been hospitalized.
22 Q Okay. The bar doesn't have anything to do with that
23 mental --
� 24 A (no audible answer)
25 Q Now, the next incident that you referred to is June
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1 22nd, persons exiting the bar. What were your complaints
2 that night, they were loud and boisterous?
3 A My husband and I were just watching to see what kind of
4 things were going on and I was out in the yard with
5 binoculars and ( inaudible) .
6 Q W�re you able to see the front door that evening?
7 A No, I can't see the front door from my yard. I can
8 only see the front door from the times that I drive by the
9 bar.
10 Q You indicated you were on the bluff, and I thought you
� 11 might have been closer to Isabelle or something where you
12 cowld see the front door. Could you see the back door?
13 A I could see the back of the building.
14 Q But you couldn't see the door, right?
15 A The side door.
16 Q Pardon?
17 A The front door, no.
18 Q Or the side door?
19 A No.
20 Q And you had binoculars?
21 A Un,huh. (meaning yes)
22 Q Were they infrared or any kind of special --
23 A Regular binoculars.
� 24 Q Just regular binoculars. What time of the evening was
25 this?
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1 A �etween 10:30 and 11 :00.
2 Q It was dark out, 10: 30 .
3 A Uh-huh. (meaning yes)
4 Q Did you take any notes or recordings or anything?
5 A I did .
6 Q Do you have them with you today?
7 A I don' t have them with me.
8 Q Where are they?
9 A At home.
10 Q Did you give those notes to anybody, the City Attorney
� 11 maybe?
12 A (no audible answer)
13 Q I� any event, through your binoculars that evening ,
14 maybe I missed it, but what did you observe that was
15 offensive there that night?
16 A I was observing just the kinds of in and out activities
17 araund the bar that night.
18 Q Okay. Did you ever do that for let's say another bar
19 in the neighborhood, the Derby or the Cozy or Copachika
20 (phqnetic)?
21 A (no audible answer)
22 Q Would you find it surprising if you made the same
23 obs�rvations at any of those establishments?
� 24 A ' I 've lived on the west side all my life and I 've driven
25 by �- I know what the bars are --
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1 Q I 'm just talking about surveilling with eye glasses,
2 10: 3Q to 1 :00, I 'm not talking about driving --
3 A No, I 've never done that before.
4 Q Anything else noteworthy about the 22nd other than what
5 you'v� already told us?
6 A Just the general activity.
7 Q Now, let's see, the next incident was July 6th. How
8 did you happen to make the observations that particular
9 evening?
10 A �ame way. I woke up. There was yelling of women's
� 11 voice�, there was some pounding in front of the bar or that
12 sounded like it was coming from the area in front of the
13 b�r. Then on the sidewalk of the Isabelle hill going up the
14 hill two women were walking and shortly after that a woman
15 was fallowing and yelling the name and, you know, going to
16 get you help and swearing.
17 Q And you concluded that was coming from the Wabasha Bar.
18 A Yes.
19 Q What' s the basis for that conclusion again?
20 A Because they were -- it was at that time of night,
21 th�re's nothing else around, and it came from the front area
22 of�jthe bar, the voices ( inaudible) .
23 Q � Okay. You say there's nothing else around. Are you
� 24 aw��re of any police calls that might have been turned into
25 th� fa�ility immediately across from the Wabasha Bar, which
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1 would be right here?
2 MR. BYRNE: On what date are you referring
3 to?
4 MR. MONTPETIT: On July 6th .
5 MR. BYRNE: Do you understand the question ,
6 Mrs. Sanchez?
7 THE WITNESS: If I know if there was any
8 other calls?
9 BY MR. MONTPETIT:
10 Q Well , there have been police calls to this building and
� 11 this building and this building all summer. I 'm asking you
12 i f you' re aware of that fact?
13 A No. The only thing I 'm aware of is the calls that
14 we've made.
15 q Okay . Are you aware of the fact that there are people
16 living in this facility here, that facility?
17 A Yes.
18 q That facility above the Triple A?
19 A ( inaudible) .
20 Q And you've ruled those places out concluding that this
21 came from the Wabasha Bar, is that what you ' re saying?
22 A (no audible answer)
23 � And you don't know whether or not there were any police
� 24 c�lls to those three places I just mentioned during July.
25 A (no audible answer) .
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1 Q Knowing that there were, is it possible that it could
2 have been coming from someplace else besides the Wabasha
3 Bar?
4 MR. BYRNE: I object to the question as
5 implying a factual predicate that's not in evidence.
6 THE JUDGE: No, I think she can answer that
7 q�esttion.
8 THE WITNESS: Could you ask it again?
9 BY MR. MONTPETIT:
10 Q Knowing that there were some police calls at those
� 11 other three places, do you still come to the conclusion that
12 these loud voices are coming from the Wabasha Bar?
13 A (no audible answer)
14 MR, BYRNE: The answer was yes. She did say
15 yes.
16 BY MR. MONTPETIT:
17 Q It is?
18 A That' s what I -- when I woke up that night that's what
19 I would ( inaudible) , and I didn 't know ( inaudible) .
20 Q That's what you assumed.
21 A Right.
22 Q Bwt you don't know for sure.
23 A , ( mo audible answer) I know that the ( inaudible) , I
� 24 kn�w that the screaming voice was slurred and that's
25 ( i�aud�ble) .
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1 Q And you heard these slurs from up on top of the hill?
2 A When she was screaming.
3 Q The slurred --
4 A It wasn't kind of a shouting, it was a blahhh kind of
.
5 �oice.
6 Q Now, are you aware of the fact that' s bars been there
7 for eighty years?
8 A ( inaudible)
9 Q Assuming that it was, was there fifty-seven years
10 b�fore you got there? You've been there twenty-three years,
� 11 right?
12 A (no audible answer)
13 Q And you 've indicated again that for the last nineteen
14 ysars you 've been listening to loud shouting?
15 A � inaudible) different people through that time, there
16 have been different activities in the bar across the street
17 was appropriate during that time.
18 Q and after nineteen years of loud yelling, you elected
19 to stay there, right, and live there?
20 A (no audible answer) .
21 ' MR. MONTPETIT: I have no further questions.
22 RE-DIRECT EXAMINATION
23 B� MR. BYRNE:
� 24 Q � And after nineteen years of putting up with it, why is
25 i� that you've finally decided you' re not going to put up
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1 with it any more?
2 A Because it's gotten to be so extreme. The situation
3 that happened on the 22nd really brought it to light for me
4 that it' s an abusive situation not only to my family, but I
5 guess to myself that woman, that was an abusive situation
6 for her too.
7 MR. BYRNE: That's all I have, Your Honor.
8 THE JUDGE: Anything else?
9 MR. MONTPETIT: No.
10 THE JUDGE: Okay. Thank you, Mrs. Sanchez .
, 11 You ' re excused. I guess we' ll take a break and start at
12 1 :00, gentlemen?
13 MR. BYRNE: Sure.
14 MR. MONTPETIT: That's fine.
15 THE JUDGE: Is that adequate?
16 MR. MONTPETIT: Maybe 1 : 15 .
17 MR. BYRNE: 1 : 15 .
18 THE JUDGE: Okay. 1 : 15 , that' s fine. I
19 don't care.
20 (off the record)
21 THE JUDGE: Okay. This matter is back in
22 se�sion. Mr. Byrne, do you wish to call your next witness?
23 , MR. BYRNE: Yes, Your Honor. At this time I
� 24 wowld aall to the stand Joe Hoover.
25 JOE HOOVER
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1 after being first duly sworn, testified as follows:
2 THE JUDGE: Thank you, sir. Your name?
3 THE WITNESS: Joe Hoover.
4 THE JUDGE: Spell your last name.
5 THE WITNESS: H-O-O-V-E-R.
6 THE JUDGE: Okay. Mr. Byrne.
7 DIRECT EXAMINATION
8 BY MR. BYRNE:
9 Q Mr. Hoover, let's just get some background information
10 on yourself for the Administrative Law Judge. What kind of
� 11 work do you do?
12 A I' 'm a youth worker at St. Joseph's Home for Children .
13 Q Is that in St. Paul?
14 A It's in Minneapolis. It's a shelter and a residency
15 betwee�n the ages -- for kids between the ages of six and
16 sevent�een plus intake.
17 Q What kinds of duties, without covering the whole day,
18 but just in capsule for what kind of things do you do with
19 th�em?
20 A It's a lot. Part of it is providing just in general
21 day to day living, teaching living skills, also working in a
22 de,tached situation dealing with crisis units, dealing with
23 ki'ds that are either violent. Sometimes they come in drunk,
� 24 sometimes we have to deal with parents that come in , we have
25 to� deal with that, those type of situations. But primarily
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1 it's to deal with day to day living skills with the kids
2 both at the shelter and in residency.
3 Q po you live in St. Paul?
4 A Yes.
5 Q Where abouts?
6 A Me and my sister just recently purchased a house up on
7 Converse ( phonetic) Street here in the bluff neighborhood.
8 Q Is that near to the Wabasha Bar?
9 A I�'s approximately three blocks away.
10 Q Okay. If we were to look at what's been marked as
� 11 Respondent' s Exhibit 7 , and if you can find on there --
12 A Okay. I 'm just getting my bearings here.
13 Q T�e Wabasha Bar is here.
14 A Okay. Actually we' re off the pictures. This is -- I
15 can see the park. This is Call (phonetic) Street, Striker
16 (phonetic) , and right about here.
17 THE JUDGE: And where' s the bar?
18 THE WITNESS: The bar is here.
19 BY MR. BYRNE:
20 Q So you' re how many blocks?
21 A T�is block and then this block and right on the corner
22 of the other block.
23 THE JUDGE: You' re across the street? This
� 24 block and this block and across the street?
25 THE WITNESS: Right, across the street but up
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1 on Converse, so one-half a block down from Isabelle.
2 THE JUDGE: Okay.
3 MR. MONTPETIT: Excuse me. How many blocks
4 is that then?
5 THE WITNESS: It would approximately be
6 around three blocks, probably two and a half.
7 MR. HARTMAN: They' re counting that one two-
8 block hill as one block and that's actually --
9 MR. MONTPETIT: Okay.
10 BY MR. BYRNE:
• 11 Q One of those blocks is a long block, Mr . Hoover?
12 A Oh, going up Prospect? Yeah .
13 Q Okay. Your house is in a residential area there.
14 A Uh-huh. (meaning yes)
15 Q Amd a residential area in the immediate area of your
16 house as well .
17 A Uh-huh . (meaning yes)
18 Q And how long have you lived there?
19 A WQ11 , me and my sister just recently moved from
20 Minneapolis. We bought the home in October of '89 . So
21 we' re recent converts to the west side.
22 Q Have you attempted to put roots down in the community
23 andl join community organizations?
� 24 A , Yeah, very much so. Kind of by my work I realize that
25 yo� need to be involved in your neighborhood if you ' re going
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1 -- if you' re going to be in a neighborhood, it's good to be
2 involved. It' s not good to build a wall around where you
3 live. It's good to include yourself. I 've held a block
4 p�rty in our neighborhood after there was a shooting that
5 occurred on Striker and Isabelle, and I had a block party.
6 And we got to meet all the neighbors. I 'm involved in WSCO.
7 Q What is WSCO?
8 A West Side Citizens Organization.
9 Q �kay.
10 A ,4nd I currently replaced a board member there who had
. 11 lef t, and so I --
12 Q How long have you been a board member of WSCO?
13 A I 'm trying to remember. I think it's May , but I 'm not
14 exactly sure.
15 Q O�f 1990?
16 A 1990 .
17 Q You mentioned you' re on the -- some crime watch
18 cdmmittee?
19 A Yeah, I --
20 Q What is the correct title of that?
21 A Riverview Crime Watch. And it's a river boss chapter
22 of� it, and I 'm really not -- I 'm not on a committee as such.
23 I �attend meetings. And you attend the meetings and
� 24 bajsically it's a discussion of what goes on in your
25 co�mmunity, if there's a problem at a house or if you -- you
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1 know, if you have a problem with a neighbor sometimes
2 disputes can be settled there.
3 Q Are both of these groups citizens groups, both WSCO and
4 Rivervi�w Crime Watch, are these citizen groups?
5 A They' re primarily hopefully grass roots. They' re
6 primarily operated by -- you know with the citizens
7 involved, with the neighborhoods involved. They do have
8 paid staffing as coordinators.
9 Q Both groups do.
10 A Yes, both groups. There's one coordinator for
� 11 Riverview Crime Watch.
12 Q Let' s talk, Mr. Hoover, about some specific incidents
13 that you 've observed with respect to the Wabasha Bar. I
14 take it you' re familiar with that establishment?
15 A Yes, I am.
16 Q Let' s go first to the two days of June 22 and 23 of
17 this year, and let' s first start with June 22 of this year.
18 Did you have occasion to make some observations of the
19 Wabasha Bar?
20 A Yes, I did.
21 Q Where were you when you made those observations?
22 A I was in the Thompson apartment building across the
23 street on the third floor.
� 24 Q All right. Let me show you, if I may, just use Mr.
25 Montpe�it's or Respondent' s Exhibit 2 , and ask you if you
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1 recognize that street location.
2 'A I do.
3 Q Could you point out the bar?
4 A Right here.
5 Q And is the building in that picture?
6 A Yup. It' s right here. It's the stucco building with
7 the brick bottom.
8 Q Okay. And where in that building were you?
9 A I was up in the third -- I 'm sorry, the third floor
10 here right on the corner where the window is.
� 11 Q The one facing --
12 A The one facing the Wabasha Bar.
13 Q Okay. And how did you happen to come to be in that
14 �par�ment? That's not where you lived at the time I take
15 tt.
16 A No.
17 Q Okay. Why don 't you explain how you happened to be in
18 tihat apartment?
19 A Okay. I was invited there. We had -- I heard there
20 was a meeting on the Wabasha Bar. The neighborhood had
21 b�asicglly wanted to deal with this. Everybody had been
22 seein� things, you know. I had seen things occur outside
23 tlhe b�r. And again , it was hard though because it was not
� 24 a� organized -- this is not organized. No one knows what
25 else is going on.
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1 So there was a meeting and I believe it was primarily
2 Meld for Riverview Crime Watch and I believe there had been
3 somebody -- Greg had been there from WSCO taking notes. And
4 what 'had come about is we decided that it needed to be some
5 sort of organized effort as far as something concise so that
6 we can report things that we have seen, you know, as
7 basically normal , that we just basically sit and observe
8 what's gone on. And the Thompson building owner and the
9 manager offered space to be available to watch it in their
10 building , and we used the building manager' s apartment.
# 11 Q Okay . When you saw we, who was involved with that?
12 A Well , let's see, again, a lot of people --
13 Q �ho was there on that occasion? Don' t give us the
14 whole -- who was there on that occasion?
15 A On -- it was different people different days. On the
16 first day it was me and Gilbert DeLaO, and we had been --
17 and watched and observed what went on the first day there.
18 Q Qilbert DeLaO is Gilbert capital D-E-L-A-O?
19 A D-E-L -- capital D-E-capital A -- or capital L-A-
20 capital 0.
21 Q Capital O at the end?
22 A ' Yeah, surprised me too.
23 QI Okay. On June 22nd it was just the two of you in that
� 24 a�artment observing activities at the Wabasha Bar?
25 A ' Right. And we attempted --
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1 Q What time?
2 A I 'm sorry. Between 10:00 -- 10 : 00 and 1 :00 o' clock , a
3 5hort time thereafter.
4 THE JUDGE: 10:00 p.m. ?
5 THE WITNESS: 10:00 p.m. to 1 :00 a.m.
6 BY MR. BYRNE:
7 4 pid you have the window open?
8 A Yes, the window was open. There was a screen in front
9 of the window and there were curtains too, sheers, those
10 were primarily pushed aside.
� 11 Q pid you both watch together all the time or did you
12 trade back and forth? How did you manage to do that?
13 A We both watched pretty much all the time. Gilbert
14 would also keep an eye on Isabelle Street on the side
15 because he also had a side window too.
16 Q All right. Can you relate to the Administrative Law
17 Jwdge things that you observed with respect to the Wabasha
18 B�r?
19 MR. MONTPETIT: Which evening?
20 MR. BYRNE: June 22nd.
21 THE WITNESS: Okay. Some of the things that
22 had gone on again were people bringing beer cans out,
23 walking outside with them, walking around to the Isabelle
� 24 Stlreet side and then going back in again. And the beer cans
25 that I had observed, there are a few different types, but
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1 the ones that I could actually clearly make out were
2 Budweiser and Bud Light. I also know that because I 've seen
3 �hem drop it on the ground and later I picked it up and
4 positively identified it.
5 I had seen A1 Hartman there. He had been pointed out
6 to me by Gilbert DeLaO, and I had watched him and he was in
7 the bar at the time that people were walking out with cans.
8 He had come -- he had been in and then had left and had come
9 back �gain.
10 I also observed people urinating on the side on
� 11 I�abelle Street. I observed someone come out of the bar
12 again and urinate on a car on Isabelle Street. And then I 'm
13 not quite too sure, I think it was on the 23rd , but someone
14 came out and urinated on the front, right on the front of
15 the building .
16 BY MR. BYRNE:
17 Q For now let's just stay with the 22nd.
18 A Okay.
19 Q Ar�d exhaust all of that. Were there any fights or
20 disturbances on the 22nd?
21 A On the 22nd. The -- on the 22nd there was some --
22 there was just some minor things, just some shouting and
23 stuff �hat was on the side. There wasn' t any physical .
� 24 Q Okay. The people that were going in and out, hnw many
25 roughly would you say during the course of the evening? Can
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1 you give any kind of an estimate or is that too difficult?
2 A Well , I guess as far as what I observed I would imagine
3 -- a lot came out during closing. I think probably around
4 five, maybe seven.
5 Q Five, maybe seven people total the whole evening?
6 A As far as what I observed. Again, Gilbert was with me
7 and sometimes --
8 ( End of Tape 2, Side 2 )
9 THE JUDGE: Okay.
10 THE WITNESS: I would say at least five.
! 11 BY MR. BYRNE:
12 Q Were these in addition to the number that came out at
13 c1osing? I guess I 'm a little confused as to what the
14 nwmber five to seven is.
15 A Qkay. That's probably the additional is what came out
16 at clasing . Probably like two, three out at closing. You
17 know, within the last fifteen minutes or so people would
18 leave.
19 Q Did the same person come in and out more than once?
20 A Go back in?
21 Q Yes.
22 A Yeah , some did. Some would walk out and then walk back
23 in and, walk back out again.
� 24 Q Of the people that came out while you were watching ,
25 how many of them had or carried beer cans or beer?
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1 A I am counting just beer cans. I 'm not counting drinks.
2 1'here were other people carrying like glass beverages,
3 Tooked like Coke. I don ' t know if there was anything else
4 in them. But they were carrying -- I don' t know, it was my
5 assumption it looked like plastic, those little things,
6 those little drink things. And a couple times with beer
7 cans as well they had set them on the window ledge. It' s
8 very well lit above over where the door is and the door is
9 usually open . And they would set it down on the ledge and
10 then, you know, proceed to either talk or look. Sometimes
� 11 they had forgotten it. Again, this is -- I think this is
12 other nights than just this, but it would proceed, they'd
13 pick it up and go back in .
14 Q When -- I 'm sorry . Go ahead .
�
15 i THE JUDGE: You ' re saying five to seven
16 people in the course of the evening in your observation came
17 out with beers in their hands?
18 II THE WITNESS: With cans.
19 ' THE JUDGE: Beer cans in their hands. Were
20 there people that came out in addition to that that did not
21 have been cans in their hands?
22 THE WITNESS: Oh, yes.
23 THE JUDGE: Out of the total number of people
� 24 that c�me out five or seven had been cans in their hands?
25 THE WITNESS: Okay. Five to seven had been
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1 Cans in their hands , and there were more people that would
2 walk out. But there were additional people that had drinks
3 in their hands. So the total would be up to around -- could
4 b�e up to around ten or eleven .
5 THE JUDGE: So five or seven had been cans,
6 anoth�r five or six had beverages of some kind.
7 THE WITNESS: Yes.
8 THE JUDGE: I 'm sorry. Go ahead.
9 BY MR. BYRNE:
10 Q As to those that came out, were any of them having
� 11 difficulty walking?
12 A There was --
13 Q Your answer is yes?
14 A Yes.
15 Q Okay. How many were having difficulty?
16 A I probably observed -- actually I seen two, I seen two.
17 There also were some people that went into the bar stumbling
18 or with very swaying movements, and I couldn 't hear exactly
19 what they were saying because I wasn't close enough to be
20 hegring them unless they were shouting. I 'm judging
21 basically on what their movements were, and they were very
22 erratic, swaying back and forth. One person got out of a
23 cab.
� 24 Q Thle people that went in staggering and swaying, did
25 they came out right away or did they stay in the bar?
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1 MR. MONTPETIT: If you know.
2 BY MR. BYRNE:
3 Q If you know.
4 A fihe people who went into the bar did come out but after
5 a prolonged period. The person who came in a cab was in
6 there I ' d say a good fifteen minutes.
7 Q A�s to the two people that you particularly focused on
8 that you thought had difficulty when they left the bar, can
9 ypu describe what they did and what happened with respect to
10 them?
� 11 A There wasn' t much. Again , I think they left and went
12 into other vehicles by people. One had -- one had gone to a
13 vehicle with several other people up on Isabelle and drove
14 away . One had gone into a white car and also then drove
15 a►�ay by himself. There was another person ( inaudible) .
16 Q Let' s go then if we can to the next night, June 23rd.
17 You were there two nights in a row?
18 A Yes.
19 Q And what was the time period when you were there on
20 June 23rd?
21 A 1Q : 00 to 1 :00 in the morning.
22 Q I forgot to ask and I should have asked you what the
23 lighting conditions are when you' re looking from your
� 24 vantage� point on the third floor down towards the Wabasha
25 Bar. Can you see clearly or with difficulty or --
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1 A There' s a light post that's right outside the window.
2 Wabasha Street is very well lit. Again, there's also a
3 light outside the Wabasha Bar door. And Isabelle Street is
4 very poorly lit, it' s hard to see up the hill . Also the
5 vantage point wasn' t good to see what was going on .
6 Q Up Isabelle Street.
7 A Xeah .
8 Q No problem with the front of the bar?
9 A No.
10 Q Could you make out faces and expressions from where you
� 11 were?
12 A U�-huh. (meaning yes)
13 Q You have to say yes or no.
14 A Yes. I 'm sorry. You could make our faces and
15 expressions.
16 Q Now, on the 23rd of June was it again you and Mr . DeLaO
17 or were you with somebody else?
18 A I was with somebody else.
19 Q Who else was there?
20 A My� sister.
21 Q Okay. And what did you observe with respect to the bar
22 on that particular evening?
23 A Ag'ain , some of the same things. People who had come
� 24 out of ��the bar with alcoholic beverages. It wasn't in as
25 gr�at a frequency as the night before. That they had ,
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1 similar things, walking about putting the beer on the ledge,
2 g�oing sitting, waiting, walking back inside. Again, the
3 m�st identifiable was Budweiser and Bud Light. They were
4 bringing beer into the bar, and some of it was obviously
5 they were sneaking it in . Others it didn' t seem like they
6 r�ally cared. And it seemed the popular beer of choice was
7 Milwaukee' s Best. And so that's about the type of beer I
8 saw baing carried.
9 Q When you say popular beer of choice, that's beer that
10 people were bringing out?
� 11 A Oh, no, most frequently bringing in I guess, as far as
12 patrons driving up, getting out and carrying in beer, it was
13 Milwaukee's Best in a can.
14 Q Of the people that were bringing beer out it was --
15 A It was Budweiser from the bar, it was Budweiser or Bud
16 Light.
17 Q When they' re bringing these beers out, they' re beers
18 that are opened?
19 A Y�s.
20 Q Did you see people taking drinks out of them outside?
21 A Yes .
22 Q Both nights?
23 A Yes .
� 24 Q What is the point of them, as far as you could tell
25 from ob�erving their activities, what's the point of coming
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1 outside? Were they just standing around and talking? Do
2 they come out primarily to urinate? What was going on
3 there?
4 A Sometimes they'd come out and talk with people.
5 Sometjmes they'd go up Isabelle Street and we couldn't see
6 them. Sometimes they'd come out and urinate. There was one
7 instarrce where a man and a women went in between on the side
8 of the� Wabasha in the alley or the driveway and were sort of
9 making out, kissing and fondling in the semi-darkness, but
10 primarily they 'd be hanging out waiting for someone to show
� 11 up.
12 Q Were you there at closing on that evening?
13 A Y�s.
14 Q Ar�ything in particular about that evening that is of
15 note?
16 A Nathing primarily noteworthy. Again, closed
17 approximately around 1 : 00 o' clock.
18 Q At closing did people leave with beers?
19 A That night I think I saw someone with a Coke.
20 Q When you say --
21 A That night there was also -- a Coke in a glass I should
22 say , a glass beverage. And that night there -- again , it
23 wasn' t �he same frequency as the night before, but there was
� 24 the sam� thing. At the closing -- as it got closer to
25 clo5ing more frequent people would walk out ( inaudible) .
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1 THE JUDGE: I 'm sorry. Walk out with --
2 THE WITNESS: Walk out with beer. It seemed
3 the frequency would pick up between 11 :00, 11 : 00 and 1 :00 ,
4 nothing really between 10 :00 and 11 :00 .
5 THE JUDGE: Can you give us any numbers?
6 THE WITNESS: On Saturday --
7 THE JUDGE: 23rd is Saturday? Is this Friday
8 nTght, Saturday night?
9 THE WITNESS: Yes. Friday night, Saturday
10 night. So it would be the 23rd, 22nd and 23rd . And it' s -
, 11 -I 'd probably estimate five. Five on --
12 THE JUDGE: On the Saturday night.
13 THE WITNESS: On Saturday night.
14 THE JUDGE: Beers.
15 THE WITNESS: Beer cans.
16 THE JUDGE: And one with a glass of some
17 kind.
18 THE WITNESS: Glass.
19 THE JUDGE: Mr. Byrne. I 'm sorry.
20 BY MR. BYRNE:
21 Q Mr. Hoover, I 'm going to July 14th of 1990, did you
22 have ocCasion to make observations of the Wabasha Bar?
23 A Yes, I did.
� 24 Q Cowld you set the scene for us again; where you were,
25 who you were with, what time it was?
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1 A Okay. Again I was up on the third floor in the same
2 room wnder the same arrangements. And I was with Jim, Jim
3 Mackowski (phonetic) , and we made observations of again they
4 were bar patrons had brought out alcoholic beverages or beer
5 a� far as I could observe, or beer cans. And there also was
6 ar� argument that occurred that night too.
7 Q Tell me first what time, starting time and ending time
8 you had on July 14th.
9 A Starting time was at 10:00 and the ending time was at
10 1 :00 .
� 11 Q Let's -- now you mentioned that there was a fight or an
12 argument. What happened then? What time did it happen?
13 A Okay. The time it happened I believe it around --
14 actually it was 11 :45 , that I do remember. And I need to
15 change something on this, I 'm sorry. I started out on the
16 third floor, but I do remember it was hot and so what I did
17 is I went up on to the room and Jim stayed on to the third
18 floor. And Jim had seen quite a bit more than I had on that
19 argument that occurred .
20 Again, I do remember there was a woman screaming up the
21 street and she was screaming a woman' s name and was just
22 cor�stantly walking up the street screaming, you know,
23 calling this person down to her. And --
� 24 THE JUDGE: Up Isabelle?
25 THE WITNESS: Up Isabelle as she was walking.
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1 BY MR. BYRNE:
2 Q Is she a person that had come out of the bar?
3 A Yes. And there was a police incident that occurred.
4 The police had shown up at the bar ad she was involved in
5 some �ort of thing with the police, some sort of argument
6 that Mappened at the bar. Again, I couldn ' t pick up a lot
7 of that. Jim was on the third.
8 Q Was there an actual fight of some kind?
9 A Not that I observed .
10 Q All that you saw was just the woman coming out of the
� 11 bar and then starting up Isabelle screaming?
12 A Uh-huh . (meaning yes)
13 Q And the police arrived.
14 A This is before. This was before that.
15 Q Which was before?
16 A Before the woman went up the street screaming .
17 Q The police arrived first and the woman went up the
18 street screaming after that.
19 Q Yes.
20 Q Do you know why the police came?
21 A NO.
22 Q D�d they go into the bar?
23 A I think they most -- they hung outside the bar and had
� 24 to deal with something out there that was happening there.
25 Q Do you remember --
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1 A There was some argument between two women. There was
2 something she was screaming outside the bar.
3 THE JUDGE: Is this one incident? One woman
4 screaming inside and then outside and then a call to the
5 p�ol i c�?
6 THE WITNESS: Yeah , it was some --
7 THE JUDGE: Al1 the same maybe one big
8 incident.
9 THE WITNESS: Yeah.
10 BY MR. BYRNE :
� 11 Q Mr. Hoover, what else did you see regarding the Wabasha
12 Bar that night?
13 A That night again there was urination on the side of the
14 Tr';iple A Typewriter building. And again primarily what I
15 obl�erved are somewhat general , but very consistent. There
16 were people walking out with beer cans outside the Wabasha.
17 Q In terms of numbers, how many people would you say?
18 A It' s hard to say.
19 Q As best -- just give your best shot.
20 A Again, I would say probably an average of five. Jim
21 mig�ht have more of a specific number than I have.
22 Q Yow mean an average of five per hour or --
23 A No, five for the whole time.
� 24 Q For the whole time .
25 THE JUDGE: Those had beers.
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1 THE WITNESS: Yes.
2 BY MR. BYRNE:
3 q Okay. Mr . Hoover, you 've testified to events that
4 you've seen happen on three -- actually four, I guess,
5 night$; the 23rd, 22nd -- no, three; 22 , 23 and July 14th .
6 Were those unusual nights in terms of those kind of
7 observations or is it typical of what you 've seen in front
8 0� the bar and around the bar on other occasions?
9 MR. MONTPETIT: Well , I 'm going to object.
10 There's no foundation that he was around the bar on other
� 11 occasions during those hours. He' s talked about three
12 specific evenings wherein he was perched in this apartment
13 across the street. I don 't know how he can make a sweeping
14 generalization as to any other evening.
15 MR. BYRNE: I ' ll ask additional foundations
16 questions, Your Honor.
17 BY MR. BYRNE:
18 Q Mr. Hoover, have you been in the vicinity of the
19 Wa�asha Bar on other occasions than he three you've
20 testified here today?
21 A Yes, I have.
22 Q And has that been in the evening hours, say after 10: 00
23 o' clock until possibly even closing time?
� 24 A Yes , I have.
25 Q Is that fairly frequent that you've had a chance to
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1 observe the Wabasha Bar at these other times and at that
2 spec i f i c t i me of even i ng?
3 A It's -- I would say yes, I ' ve observed it under the
4 similar circumstances the same way that I observed it the
5 l�ast three times. So I 've had probably -- I think it was
6 two other times that I 've observed the Wabasha.
7 Q Wave you been by there during the day time as well?
8 A Yes, I have.
9 Q And observed conditions near the bar?
10 A That' s what started -- that' s part of what started me
� 11 to observe the bar in the first place is what I 've been
12 seeing during the day time, and the other things that have
13 b�en going on in our neighborhood that have also made me
14 want to observe the bar.
15 Q Okay. Let' s step back and go back to -- and we' ll take
16 the questions one by one. On these other occasions in the
17 ev�ning hours when you were observing the bar or going by
18 it, did you also see incidents such as you' ve testified to
19 on the three occasions?
20 A Uh-huh . (meaning yes) �
21 THE JUDGE: Yes or no.
�
22 ' THE WITNESS: Yes.
23 BY IMR. BYRNE:
� 24 Q ' An�f that' s something that -- would it be fair to say
,
25 tha� ev$ry time you go by there in the evening that you
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1 obsertie these things?
2 A Not every time I go by there.
3 Q �kay. How about during the day time, what are the
4 things that you've seen that led you to want to take further
5 action?
6 A Intoxicated people.
7 MR. MONTPETIT: Excuse me, Your Honor. If
8 he' s going to testify he's got to tell us the date and what
9 he saw and who he saw.
10 THE JUDGE: Please try to be as precise as
* 11 yau can so we can all know exactly what you ' re talking about
12 rather than to --
13 THE WITNESS: I guess I ' d -- see, that' s a
14 hard tMing. That is one reason why the neighborhood has
15 come together , you know, in order to catalog everything
16 that's gone on because we keep coming by with , you know,
17 I 've seen this, I saw this ambulance in front of the Wabasha
18 or I 've seen this man stumbling out, you know.
19 THE JUDGE: Can you give us an idea of how
20 many times you drive by the intersection at which the bar is
21 looated a day or a week or something?
22 THE WITNESS: A day, probably twice a day .
23 THE JUDGE: Okay. And what time of day
� 24 rou�hly?
25 THE WITNESS: Time of day , once in the
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1 �veni'ng and once in the morning.
2 THE JUDGE: I don' t want to interfere with
3 the q►�estioning here, so I should allow you to do that, Mr.
4 B�yrne, if you have some foundations questions perhaps that
5 might be helpful .
6 BY MR. BYRNE:
7 Q Wow often or how regularly do you see people that draw
8 your attention to them when you' re driving by during the day
9 time hours? Just answer how often you seen people that you
10 are drawn to, your attention to.
� 11 MR. MONTPETIT: Excuse me. He testified he
12 drives by in the morning and in the evening.
13 THE WITNESS: That's a general statement
14 because I was asked when I 've driven by . I drive more than
15 twice, sometimes I don ' t drive at all . But if I say
16 specifically, I do drive by primarily in the evening,
17 primarily in the morning . Those are when I go to work in
18 the evening and I come home from work in the morning. And I
19 run into problems that -- one time in June walking, a person
20 walking with a beer can up Isabelle, and I presume was very
21 in�,oxic�ated. And he was walking up the hill and I have that
22 problem.
23 And I had people -- oh , in May I ran into a problem
� 24 with ag�in seeing another intoxicated person along Wabasha
25 walking, and not walking out of the bar.
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1 I don ' t know if I can also say about the other
2 incidents I 've had with my roommates and their friends that
3 have happened , and it's very hard with my -- with inviting
4 p�ople over here. One woman was driving down Isabelle hill
5 and people try to jump in her car and --
6 THE JUDGE: Well , let' s try to keep it to
7 your own personal --
8 THE WITNESS: Okay. That' s what I was
9 wondering .
10 THE JUDGE: -- experience .
* 11 THE WITNESS: Okay . I guess that has had an
12 effect on me too and people who want to come over here.
13 BY MR. BYRNE:
14 Q L�t me get back to the issue of whether or not you 've
15 seen -- and I ' ll ask you what it is that you base your
16 opinion on or your judgment on . You 've seen people outside
17 the bar that are intoxicated. How often does that occur in
18 the normal week? And then I 'm going to ask you if you can
19 pin do�n any particular week or month in which you've seen
20 those p�eople. How often does it happen that you see people
21 like th�t?
22 MR. MONTPETIT: I 'm going to object to that
23 qu�stion, counsel . It hasn' t been established that he has
� 24 see�n any intoxicated persons. Now we' re asking him how many
i
25 int�xic$ted persons he sees on a weekly basis.
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1 BY MR. BYRNE :
2 Q Al1 right. I ' ll -- have you seen any intoxicated
3 people coming out of the Wabasha Bar?
4 MR. MONTPETIT: Objection, foundation .
5 THE JUDGE: I ' ll sustain the objection. Why
6 don ' t you address yourself to any specific instances that
7 you can recall and try to locate them in time and
8 circumstance for us as best you can .
9 THE WITNESS: Okay. Is this beyond what I
10 have observed as an organized basis then?
� 11 BY MR. BYRNE :
12 Q Yes. Other occasions.
13 A Again , I don ' t take -- I guess I 've never taken a
14 mental note of the time or the situation, and so therefore,
15 it' s very hard for me to say when I 've observed these people
16 because I --
17 THE JUDGE: Well , can you approximate, you
18 know, the time and place? If you can approximate that, that
19 might fae okay, but be as precise as you ' re able to.
20 THE WITNESS: Okay. In the evenings or in
21 the -- in the evening . Once there was a drunk, basically
22 was a drunk , what I perceived to be a drunk, a midget
23 stumbling around the bar, and this was after 1 : 00 o'clock .
� 24 THE JUDGE: Is this between -- during '89 or
25 ' 90, th�; years?
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1 THE WITNESS: Yes. And this was fairly
2 recen�, actually this was in August.
3 THE JUDGE: August of ' 90?
4 THE WITNESS: Yes. And this was someone was
5 stumbling around on Isabelle and this was at -- this was at
6 around just after closing or so. And he was, you know, I
7 perceived him as being very intoxicated.
8 MR. MONTPETIT: Your Honor, I 'm going to
9 object. There's just no foundation for that. May I ask a
10 couple questions?
� 11 MR. BYRNE: No. Let me conduct my own direct
12 examination .
13 MR. MONTPETIT: Well , if I 'm going to object
14 I 've got the right to --
15 MR. BYRNE: I 'd like to make an offer of
16 proof here that if the witness were permitted to testify he
17 would testify that on other occasions other than the three
18 times where he took notes and made a special effort to
19 re�all it, that he has seen people who, based on the
20 specific facts and circumstances of the viewing, he is
21 convinced and assured that they were people under the
22 influence, had been drinking , had had too much to drink and
23 were co�ing out of the Wabasha Bar. That he would testify
� 24 tha� he's seen people in that condition coming out of the
25 bar a certain number of -- a certain average rate of
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1 frequency over the past eight months since he moved into the
2 neighborhood , and I don' t know what the X amount would be.
3 But he would testify to that and I 've not been permitted to
4 ask him that question, but that' s our offer of proof .
5 He's seen it, he simply can' t -- and I submit that
6 should go to the weight of the evidence rather than its
7 admissibility.
8 THE JUDGE: I 'm going to at this time
9 overrule the objection to the extent that it relates to
10 generalized statements and instruct the witness that if you
• 11 can, please try to be as specific as you can about the facts
12 of what you observed more than what your opinion is of what
13 happened , and more specifically what connection and locale
14 you made these observations in connection with the Wabasha
15 Bar, how far away, what direction, what did you actually see
16 and what did actually happen . Please try to do that as
17 precisely as you can .
18 THE WITNESS: Okay.
19 THE JUDGE: And I ' ll let you proceed with the
20 incident you were discussing.
21 THE WITNESS: Okay.
22 THE JUDGE: You said August of 1990 .
23 THE WITNESS: Yes, August of 1990 , at the
� 24 sid'�e of the Wabasha Bar on Isabelle Street I had seen a
25 mid�et and he was staggering. He was swaying and was just
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1 basically hanging around the Wabasha Bar.
2 BY MR. BYRNE:
3 p �here were you when you saw this?
4 A �oing up Wabasha.
5 Q On foot or in a car?
6 A Car.
7 Q And how long a period of time did you have to look at
8 him?
9 A Not very long. I drove by, slowed down and proceeded
10 to go.
� 11 Q And what time of day was this?
12 A This was evening or morning, 1 :00 , 1 :00 , 1 : 30 .
13 Q Had you seen him come out of the Wabasha Bar?
14 A No.
15 Q Was the Wabasha Bar still open?
16 A Np. I guess another occasion is that I had observed a
17 person whom I had known where he lived and the house was a
18 troubl� spot, this is on the Isabelle block directly up from
19 the Wabasha. And he had left the bar -- or actually I
20 didn ' t see him leaving the bar, but I saw him in the bar and
21 outside. And then after the bar closes or after the bar
22 closed at around 1 : 30, 2 :00 o'clock in the morning, a party
23 at the house, this is a frequent problem with this house, is
� 24 that the party and the loud music and the noise kicks in at
25 around 1 :00 o' clock , 2 :00 in the morning . And I had a
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1 chance to see this person in there. And again now at the
2 place where he lived there was starting up a lot of wild --
3 a lot of loud music and a lot of people, you know, hanging
4 around on the front lawn drinking beer. And it' s been
5 fairly frequent.
6 THE JUDGE: How far away is this from the
7 bar?
8 THE WITNESS: This is up the hill and then
9 that block next to the hill , so it' s two blocks away.
10 BY MR. BYRNE:
+ 11 Q Mr. Hoover, do the conditions at the bar and the
12 patror�s of the bar have an effect on your neighborhood and
13 your residential area?
14 A My belief is they do.
15 Q Okay. Could you relate to the Administrative Law Judge
16 what those effects are?
17 A The effects that I see: I see drunkenness; I see public
18 drunkenness; I see people walking around with beer cans,
19 especially along the Isabelle Street is where I have really
20 gotten -- is what' s really gotten me involved in seeing
21 what's going on there. There's a lot of problems . There' s
22 a lot of domestic abuse. We had a house across the street
23 from us that the Awana (phonetic) family had lived in , and
• 24 it was a -- finally it was boarded up. There were domestic
25 fights, a chair thrown through the window, a shotgun blast
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1 in there . From what I understand, is that one of the Awana
2 family members came out of the bar --
3 MR. MONTPETIT: Excuse me. I 'm going to --
4 this is from what I understand --
5 THE WITNESS: Okay .
6 BY MR. BYRNE:
7 Q Maybe get back to the effect of the bar on your
8 neighborhood and not the Awana family member.
9 A Okay. The effect of the bar is the problem of the
10 intolxication that' s going on, it' s that people are coming
� 11 out of their drunk and that they' re going back home and
12 they' re causing a lot of problems or they' re just wandering
13 in the streets. There are incidents that are occurring,
14 whether or not they can be connected with the bar , but
15 they ' re happening there . People are getting hurt. It' s
16 hard. I bought inta this neighborhood and I enjoy --
17 there' s a lot to enjoy about it, and one of the things
18 that' s happening is the drunkenness that' s going around the
19 neighborhood , the people that are there.
20 MR. BYRNE: I have no further questions, Your
21 ' Honor . Thank you , Mr. Hoover.
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22 ', THE JUDGE: Mr. Montpetit.
23 CROSS EXAMINATION
� 24 I� BY MR. MONTPETIT :
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25 ' Q Mr. Hoover, you indicated that you ' ve been there since
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1 October of 1989 .
2 A Yes .
3 Q When you purchased that house with your sister did you
4 5pend any time looking into the neighborhood?
5 A, A little bit, maybe not in depth. We didn' t go through
6 any police reports.
7 C� Okay. Did you know that the Wabasha Bar had been there
8 for eighty years?
9 A When I purchased the house or before I purchased the
10 house?
• 11 Q Right.
12 A No.
13 Q What other bars are in the neighborhood where you live?
14 A Actually three blocks down from me, going up Striker ,
15 rather Isabelle, is the Brown Derby.
16 Q What else?
17 A C1ose by or on the west side?
18 Q Well , let' s say close by to the Wabasha.
19 A To the Wabasha.
20 Q Wabasha Bar.
21 A There used to be the Blue Moon that was across and
22 that' s gone. There' s nothing really close to it, with the
23 exception if you really want to go farther away , which is
• 24 the Cozy.
25 Q How far is that from the Wabasha?
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1 A It' s hard for me to guess, maybe five blocks.
2 Q If I told you it was five blocks, would you argue?
3 A Okay. No, I won' t.
4 Q What about the Westsider, are you familiar with that
5 bar?
6 A Yes, I am.
7 Q That' s two blocks from he Wabasha.
8 A Okay .
9 Q How about Joseph 's, that' s one and a half blocks from
10 the Wabasha, are you familiar with that too?
� 11 A Yes, I am.
12 Q And the Brown Derby is four blocks. So, in addition to
13 the Wabasha there are four other on-sale liquor
14 establashments within a five block area from the Wabasha,
15 would you agree with me on that?
16 A ( no audible answer)
17 Q Pardon?
18 A Yes.
19 Q And is it your contention or your testimony here this
20 afternoon that the public intoxication and the problems that
21 you've alluded to result strictly from the Wabasha Bar?
22 A From my observations or --
23 Q Frpm your observations. Well , let me ask you this.
� 24 Excuse me. I don ' t mean to be rude. Let me withdraw that
25 queStion . Did you have occasion to survey the Westsider,
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1 get perched up in an apartment or something or sit there for
2 two, three hours, did you ever do that with the Westsider?
3 A No.
4 q How about the Cozy?
5 A No.
6 Q How about Joseph 's?
7 A No.
8 Q How about the Brown Derby?
9 A No.
10 Q How about the Bokachika ( phonetic)?
. 11 A No.
12 Q I forgot about the Bokachika, that's about a block and
13 a half away , isn' t it, a block?
14 THE JUDGE: Would you agree with that?
15 THE WITNESS: Pardon?
16 THE JUDGE : How far is that bar?
17 THE WITNESS: Oh , yeah , it' s definitely very
18 close. It' s a bar-restaurant. About a block.
19 BY MR. MONTPETIT :
20 Q So, in addition to the Wabasha within a five block
21 radius there are five other on-sale liquor establishments,
22 none of which were surveyed by yourself, is that correct?
23 A You mean -- I ' ve made personal observations but no
� 24 organizational observations.
25 Q Okay.
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1 A And as far as personal , maybe it' s because there hasn ' t
2 been the personal observation --
3 Q Well , I have no question in front of your right now.
4 A Okay.
5 q If Mr. Byrne wants to ask another question he can .
6 A Okay .
7 Q But, in any event, you didn' t personally survey those
8 five bars there within five blocks of the Wabasha, is that
9 right?
10 A Yes.
* 11 Q Okay . Do you suppose that any of the public
12 intoxication that you referred to earlier could have come
13 from one of those other five establishments, is that
14 possib1e?
15 A NO.
16 Q No, it' s not possible?
17 A I honestly think it would be very hard.
18 Q Okay. That's what you think. How about the midget,
19 where did he come from? You didn ' t see him come out of the
20 Wabasha.
21 A I didn ' t see him come out of the bar .
22 Q He could have come from the Westsider, he could have
23 come from the Cozy, Joseph ' s, Brown Derby, Bokachika,
� 24 couldn 't he have?
25 A I have a feeling he probably would have been hit by a
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1 truck or probably would have fallen down . He didn ' t look
2 like he could get very far.
3 Q Would you admit that that's possible?
4 A I 'd say it' s possible.
5 Q �kay. Now, going back to the earlier part of your
6 t�stimony you kept saying we felt we should survey this bar.
7 Who is we?
8 A Again, it' s people in the community, people who have
9 p�rsonally observed what's gone on at the bar, people who
10 had problems either directly with -- that directly happened
� 11 to them.
12 THE JUDGE: Are you saying members -- an
13 organization?
14 THE WITNESS: No, nothing like WSCO or Crime
15 Watch . Again, a meeting was held on the Wabasha Bar and
16 what to do and what was brought up. And that' s who I mean
17 by we, the people who attended this meeting .
18 THE JUDGE: That' s not an organized group of
19 that kind.
20 THE WITNESS: No, it' s not an organized
21 group.
22 BY MR. M10NTPETIT:
23 Q Okay. Did WSCO have anything to do with your
� 24 surveillance?
25 A Did WSCO have anything? I think they were involved in
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1 a minor extent. Greg Liedtke (phonetic) might be able to
2 �ell you a little bit more about that.
3 Q Okay. I 'm still a little bit confused . We got
4 �ogether and we decided we should look into the Wabasha.
5 Their names? Did you have any meetings?
6 A Yes, we've had two meetings.
7 Q Two meetings. And where were those meetings?
8 A I attended two.
9 Q �here were they held?
10 A They were held at the Riverview library.
� 11 Q Who called the meetings?
12 A I believe Greg Liedtke and --
13 Q And he' s head of WSCO?
14 A No, he' s not head of WSCO. He works in WSCO then.
15 Q Okay . He's from WSCO then. Greg Liedtke and who else?
16 A And he was involved in informing me, and I was informed
17 by my �eighbor also, Jim Bukowski .
18 Q A�d he's here today .
19 A Yes .
20 Q So it was Liedtke , yourself, Bukowski , who else was
21 there?
22 A Liz Alfveby, and the owner of the Thompson building,
23 the manager of the Thompson building.
� 24 Q Anybody else?
25 A Oh, yes.
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1 Q These were all notified by Mr. Liedtke?
2 A I don ' t know.
3 Q Okay.
4 A, And I think, what' s his name, the owner of Triple A
5 Typewriter , and several neighbors of which I actually can' t
6 remember their names.
7 Q' Were the same people present at the second meeting?
8 A Some of them.
9 Q Mow when did this surveillance take place, after the
10 first meeting and before the second meeting or after both
� 11 meetings?
12 A It took place after the first meeting . It was decided
13 there that what we should do -- we decided that the
14 individual observations were very sporadic, that it was very
15 hard because we needed some sort of organized effort, that
16 we needed to be able to get things written down rather than
17 a drive by. Again , the problems that I 've had was the same
18 thing that everybody decided in the meeting , that we didn' t
19 remember- -- oh , didn ' t we remember this incident, but it was
20 very hard.
21 Q Document the stuff.
22 A Document it, yeah . At no time -- there was nothing
23 saying -- none of us, we were not going to the bar at all ,
� 24 we' re not going inside the bar. It was just to observe.
25 Q At either of those meetings was the Bokachika, the
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1 Westsider, the Cozy, Joseph' s or the Brown Derby discussed?
2 A Yes.
3 Q Which ones and what was said by whom?
4 A Let's see, the Cozy and the Westsider were discussed.
5 Bokachika I don' t remember was discussed.
6 Q What was discussed with reference to the Westsider?
7 A Brown Derby I think was also discussed too.
8 Q What was discussed with reference to the Westsider?
9 A I think we were comparing the problems. We were
10 looking at what of the problems were from bars and how they
� 11 w�re dealing with their problems , who was dealing with them
12 and who weren 't. Specifics, I don't remember, but those I
13 think were generally discussed .
14 Q I assume no decision was made relative to surveying
15 those establishments.
16 A No.
17 Q Amd was it decided then that yourself and Mr. DeLaO
18 would �ake the responsibility of surveying the Wabasha?
19 A It was organized that we would survey it on different
20 nights by different people, and me and Gilbert happened to
21 piCk the 22nd.
22 Q I see. So there were other occasions wherein other
23 persons at that meeting conducted a survey, is that correct?
� 24 A Yes .
25 Q Okay. Did you have any field glasses?
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1 A Binoculars, yes.
2 Q Did you use those?
3 A Not on the nights in question, the 22nd, 23rd or 14th .
4 Q pid you make any notes or written recordings of what
5 you observed?
6 A Yes, I did .
7 Q Do you have those with you today?
8 A Jim has some, I have some.
9 Q Do you have them with you here?
10 A Yeah, I have some of them actually . Unfortunately, I
+ 11 dan ' t have all my notes. That's why I 'm not too prepared.
12 Q Can I see them?
13 A Swre. Those are some of mine and then there' s some
14 Gilbert has also, and Jim has some. Do they make any sense?
15 Q Where did this form come from, the Riverview
16 Neighbarhood Crime Watch Incident Record Form?
17 A From the Riverview Neighborhood Crime Watch.
18 Q Who gave you that?
19 A Betsy Warewine ( phonetic) .
20 Q Was that at one of the two meetings?
21 A Actually -- well , they were passed out at one of the
22 meeting�, but also we get those regularly as part of the
23 Riverview Crime Watch to watch any other incidences that
� 24 occ�r in that neighborhood, either fights or ambulances,
25 the�e are regular forms.
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1 Q We talked about June 22nd, June 23rd, July 14th you
2 �aid a woman was running up the street screaming . Do you
3 have any idea where she came from?
4 A Okay . The one with the incident that was -- that was
5 from the Wabasha.
6 Q Came out of the Wabasha?
7 A Uh-huh. (meaning yes)
8 Q Where were you when that happened?
9 A On the roof .
10 Q On July 14th you were on the roof?
� 11 A Uh-huh . (meaning yes)
12 ( End of Tape 3 , Side 1 )
13 THE JUDGE: Go ahead.
14 THE WITNESS: The blond guy -- no. Is he a
15 blond guy with a moustache or --
16 BY MR. MONTPETIT:
17 Q No. He was the black man here this morning, the police
18 officer, Officer Kelly . He' s a uniformed -- he just left a
19 little while ago.
20 A Okay .
21 Q That's his patrol area. Do you know him?
22 A Nq.
23 Q Being involved with this Riverview Neighborhood
� 24 whatever it is , Crime Watch, you haven' t had occasion to
25 meet with him?
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1 A No.
2 Q Did you happen to see him at any of the evenings
3 wherein you were surveying the Wabasha Bar?
4 A Not that I could recognize or remember.
5 Q Earlier I asked you about whether or not you
6 investigated the neighborhood , and I kind of got sidetracked
7 on something else. When you moved in in October of ' 89 I
8 forgot to ask you if you were aware of the fact there were
9 five or six other bars in that immediate neighborhood . I
10 can ' t remember what you said .
� 11 A No.
12 Q Okay .
13 THE JUDGE: You were not aware?
14 THE WITNESS: No. I knew that there were
15 other bars in the neighborhood, but I wasn ' t aware of the
i6 amnunt or what they were.
17 BY MR. MONTPETIT:
18 Q Now, you talked about a house where there' s all kinds
19 of noise up on the top of Isabelle. That's just a little
20 bi�, away from Mrs. Sanchez ' house. Where would that --
21 A Actually she's --
22 Q I Does that house -- well , first of all , does that house
23 havie anything to do with the Wabasha Bar?
� 24 A You mean does A1 own it? No.
25 Q � Well , what's the connection? What' s the connection
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1 we' re making?
2 A The people in the house.
3 Q They go to the bar and the house both?
4 A Right. And after the bar closes the house starts to
5 get active.
6 4 I see. Do you know where those people come from?
7 A You mean do they come from the bar?
8 Q Yeah.
9 A Okay. One I observed did . One was at the bar and then
10 later on that night there was activity at the house.
� 11 Q Okay. Would they have come from the other five or six
12 b�rs in the immediate area, do you know?
13 A Could very well be.
14 Q Okay. Let's see here going back. This is the Wabasha
15 right �here. This is Mrs. Sanchez ' house. And again , I 'm
16 referring to Respondent' s Exhibit 7 which is an aerial . So
17 the howse is where?
18 A Right here.
19 Q That' s where your house is .
20 A My house is here.
21 Q Yaur house is here.
22 A Right. There's is on Isabelle.
23 Q Sa on one occasion you saw a patron from Wabasha go up
� 24 to that house.
25 A Uh-huh. (meaning yes)
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1 Q Do you recall specifically who called you about these
2 meetings at the Riverview Library , was it Mr . Liedtke?
3 p Greg has called me once on them. And as far as where I
4 ariginally heard them, I 'm not exactly sure, but I assume
5 -- I think it was Greg.
6 MR. MONTPETIT: I don' t have any further
7 questions.
8 THE JUDGE: Mr. Byrne.
9 RE-DIRECT EXAMINATION
10 BY MR. BYRNE:
� 11 Q Mr. Hoover , during cross examination Mr. Montpetit
12 asked you a question about how you knew for sure that the
13 drunken people that you 've seen in that vicinity or going up
14 Isabelle hill came from the Wabasha Bar and not one of many
15 others, and you started to say I honestly think it would be
16 very h�rd, and then you were cut off. What was it that you
17 were going to say?
18 A Well , I guess I was just going to say that when seeing
19 so�eone that' s intoxicated, it was the same thing with the
20 midget, imagining someone walking that way from another bar
21 -- it's very possible, but I guess the probability for me is
22 that it's coming from the Wabasha. And when I see a can of
23 Budweiser in someone's hand , again, what I ' ve observed at
� 24 the Wabasha is a lot of people coming out, at the Wabasha
25 coming out with cans of Budweiser and Bud Light. And I 've
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1 also seen people in the neighborhood walk around with cans
2 of Milwaukee's Best, but I ' ve never seen them come out of
3 the Wabasha. So my association is that they ' re carrying a
4 can of Budweiser and they' re walking up Isabelle, they ' re
5 hanging down by the green steps, the bridge, is that it is
6 coming from the bar because a can of Milwaukee's Best, I
7 don' t know where it's coming from, I really don ' t. It could
8 be that they bought it at a liquor store, could be from
9 another bar. But those are the two types of cans that I see
10 floating around the neighborhood.
! 11 Q Why did the group of you that had your meetings at the
12 Riverview Library focus on the Wabasha Bar as the first one
13 that you would do observations on?
14 A Well , I guess it wasn ' t so much the first one, it was
15 we got together because of the problems that we've been
16 observing and we decided to get together and support each
17 other jn pursuing this as a problem because there' s been
18 negotiations or there's been -- nogotiations is the wrong
19 word. There's been dialogue with A1 Hartman on the Wabasha
20 Bar before, and we as a community want to work together to
21 be something through the legal system that we 'd be able to
22 observe it and make sure that we have this all recorded.
23 We've seen all this, and what we want to do is record it so
� 24 it will be very concise.
25 MR. BYRNE: I have no further questions.
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1 MR. MONTPETIT: Just a couple.
2 RE-CROSS EXAMINATION
3 E�Y MR. MONTPETIT:
4 Q 'You ' re on the board of directors of what is it, WSCO?
5 A West Side Citizens Organization.
6 Q How many board members?
7 A Actually I don ' t know. I know that we' re not up to --
8 UNIDENTIFIED: Twenty-one.
9 MR. BYRNE: Just the witness should be the
• 10 one t0 answer the question, not --
11 THE WITNESS: I don 't know. I don ' t know
12 wh�at �he full board membership is.
13 BY MR. MONTPETIT:
14 Q How many members?
15 A How many members are there now? I don' t know.
16 Q What are the objectives of WSCO? As a board member how
17 do you see the objectives?
18 A WSCO is broken down into several different committees.
19 Each committee handles part of a deal . There's an
20 envirommental committee, and that deals with environmental
21 problems on the west side.
22 Q Excuse me. I don ' t want this to go on and on . I 'm
� 23 just trying to focus on one thing. What committee -- is
24 th�re a committee that deals with the Wabasha Bar?
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1 A No, there's not a Wabasha Bar Committee.
2 MR. MONTPETIT: That' s all the questions I
3 have.
4 THE JUDGE: Okay. You ' re excused . Thank
5 you, sir.
6 MR. BYRNE: I ' ll call Liz Alfveby.
7 LIZ ALFVEBY
8 after being first duly sworn , testified as follows:
9 THE JUDGE: Okay. Your name, please, ma'am.
10 THE WITNESS: My name is Liz Alfveby, it' s A-
� 11 L-F-V-E-B-Y.
12 THE JUDGE: Is that Elizabeth?
13 THE WITNESS: Yes, it is.
14 MR. HOOVER: Can I interrupt? I was just
15 gaing �o ask; are my notes --
16 MR. MONTPETIT: Oh , sorry. Sorry about that.
17 MR. HOOVER: Okay. Thank you .
18 DIRECT EXAMINATION
19 BY MR. BYRNE :
20 Q Mrs. Alfveby, do you live in the area of the Wabasha
21 Bar?
22 A Yes, I do.
23 Q And where do you live in relation to the bar?
� 24 A I live at 131 West Converse Street. I am four blocks
25 aw�y from the bar.
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1 Q Okay. And the area in which you live is a residential
2 area?
3 A Yes, it is.
4 Q How long have you lived there?
5 A I lived in my home for nine years.
6 Q And do you have -- are you a member of any other
7 community organizations?
8 A Yes, I am. I am the chair of the River Bluff Crime
9 Watch Chapter and I also chair the Problem Properties
10 Commi�tee on the west side.
� 11 Q Qkay. The Riverview Crime Watch Chapter, is that a
12 part of some larger organization?
13 A Yes . Riverview Neighborhood Crime Watch is the crime
14 watch chapter of -- let's see, we have nine different
15 chapters on the west side of St. Paul . You know, up in
16 Cherokee we have -- down in Parker' s Field there ' s a crime
17 watch chapter down there. There' s --
18 Q The chapters are smaller geographical units of the
19 overall --
20 A Right. River Bluff Chapter is a chapter of , oh, I ' d
21 say about five hundred and sixty homes.
22 Q Does that chapter include the Wabasha Bar?
23 A Yes, it does.
. 24 Q No�w the other committee, the Problem Properties
25 committee, is that a sub-committee of some larger group?
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1 A Yes. Problem Properties, they were really -- how
2 Probl'em Properties formed is they ' re a spin-off of crime
3 watch.
4 Q Okay .
5 A And the reason that committee formed was when we would
6 have crime watch a lot of the residents would come to the
7 crime watch meetings and part of the complaints was problem
8 properties in the area.
9 Q When you say a problem property you mean overgrown with
10 weeks, run down or what?
` 11 A Vacant homes, it can be anything. It can be disorderly
12 house, it can be anything , you know, just about anything.
13 If it's a problem, it' s a problem property.
14 Q And you 've made an effort to be involved with efforts
15 tA ob�erve specific incidents at the Wabasha Bar , is that
16 correct?
17 A Yes, I have.
18 Q Does that grow out of your committee work solely or is
19 it relating to other factors?
20 A Well , the reason I guess I got involved with doing the
21 observation of the Wabasha Bar was because of complaints
22 that come up within my chapter about the Wabasha Bar.
23 Q akay . Let's talk about a specific incident that you
� 24 had ob�served with respect to that bar, and I 'm taking you to
25 June 29th of this year. Could you maybe, as we did with Mr.
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1 Hoover, set the stage for the Administrative Law Judge?
2 1'ell him where you were, what time was it, what location and
3 �o or�.
4 Q Well , first of all , I ' d like to say that the reason I
5 was there was because November 2nd of 1989 I attended a
6 build�ng land use committee meeting where At Hartman was
7 there, and there were like fourteen people who attended that
8 meeting.
9 And I guess the reason why I decided to do it is I left
10 that meeting very frustrated because I felt that A1 Hartman
� 11 w�s not being cooperative. I felt that he -- when we asked
12 him in the meeting if there had been any fights at the bar. ,
13 we had the police reports right in front of us, and he told
14 us no, there hadn ' t been a fight in his bar in the last six
15 months. He told us just -- he refused to admit that there
16 was a problem with the bar, and that angered me, it made me
17 very angry, because I feel if you' re going to have an
18 establishment in a community that you should deal with the
19 resident's concerns and problems.
20 Q So, as a result of your feelings about the management
21 of the bar from that November 2 meeting, you came to do an
22 observation ultimately on June 29th.
23 A Right. Well , we had some discussion about it at
� 24 Riverview -- excuse me, River Bluff Crime Watch Chapter
25 me�ting, we had some discussion about it. You know, we said
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1 people, come on, you know, you tell us how you' ve got all
2 �hese problems with the bar but you don ' t have
3 docum�entation. Can you give us specific dates? Can you
4 give us times? No. So we asked for volunteers. We said
5 those of you who feel that the Wabasha Bar is a problem, if
6 you w�nt to do something about it, come on , let's form a
7 group and let's sit and watch and see what really does take
8 place there.
9 And not to mention the fact that at the building land
10 use committee A1 Hartman said that he would be willing to -
� 11 -Me would be willing to monitor what takes place outside the
12 bar if the residents would come down and assist him. So we
13 thought we' d take him up on his offer and come down and
14 assist him.
15 Q Okay.
16 A And that's how that got started.
17 Q O�ay . On June 29th then did you have occasion to make
18 some observations of the Wabasha Bar?
19 A Yes, I did.
20 Q And where were you when you made those observations?
21 A I sat across the street in a car. I was -- actually I
22 wa5 right in front of Triple A's parking lot, which is about
23 a quarter of a block kitty-corner from the Wabasha Bar.
� 24 Q Okay. Let's see if we can find -- is the place where
25 you were --
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1 A I was on this --
2 Q Can you point that out on Respondent's Exhibit 2?
3 A Okay. This is the end of Triple A' s building right
4 here. So next comes Triple A's parking lot. I was across
5 the street right here, so I was kitty-corner from the bar.
6 Q �et me show you Respondent's Exhibit 5 . Across is
7 stree�, is by the green awning?
8 A Right, yeah, at the end of this building, so right in
9 front of the gallery here.
10 THE JUDGE: And you estimate that' s about a
� 11 quarter of a block down the street?
12 THE WITNESS: That's what I estimate, but I
13 dan' t know feet and, you know.
14 BY MR. BYRNE:
15 Q W�re you alone or were you with somebody else?
16 A I was with Chuck Prentice, he's the director of West
17 Side Nsighborhood Housing Services, which is directly across
18 th6: street f rom the Wabasha Bar.
19 Q Was he one of the other volunteers at the meeting you
20 talked about?
21 A Yes, he was.
22 Q What time of day was it when you were there on that
23 day7
� 24 A We got there at 11 : 00 p.m. and stayed until 1 : 30 a.m.
25 Q Ok�y. During the time you were there did you observe
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1 anything of note at the bar? Why don ' t you just tell the
2 Administrative Law Judge in a compact form what you observed
3 that evening7
4 A The things that Chuck and I observed were people coming
5 out of the bar with cans, white cups and glass. Another
6 thing that we observed at 1 : 15 in the morning a man and a
7 woman came out of the bar, they got into a white truck .
8 They both had been cans in their hands when they came out of
9 the bar. The man stopped at the end of Triple A's building
10 and urinated and the women went back into Triple A's parking
� 11 lot and urinated in the bushes back there. And then both
12 gat back into the truck and drove away.
13 Q The cans that people were coming out with, were they
14 be�er cans?
15 A Y�s.
16 Q Do you -- are you able to say how many people came out
17 with beer cans in their hands?
18 A Including cans, glasses, I had documented seven people.
19 But after a while it just got to the point, you know, why
20 document every one.
21 Q So you stopped counting after seven.
22 A ( inaudible)
23 Q When they would come out what would they do outside?
� 24 A JuSt walk down the street, some of them stood in front
25 of �the bar. One guy stopped and went into the bar and came
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1 out with two other people and a beer, had a young child with
2 �hem. The child couldn' t have been more than three years
3 old. Set his beer can on top of the car and a squad car
4 drove by at the time that that was happening and didn't
5 stop.
6 Q Were you able to observe anything about the way people
7 walked or their control over themselves or lack of it --
8 A Yeah , there was one particu7ar incident, a woman , it
9 w�s at 12 : 33 p.m. It looked to me like she was --
10 Q Let me stop and ask, did you mean to say 12 : 33 p.m. ?
� 11 A I 'm sorry, a.m.
12 Q Go ahead.
13 A It looked to me like she was being kicked out of the
14 bar. There was a lot of screaming and yelling and swearing,
15 an�d all of a sudden this woman and a couple other women were
16 with her, were outside standing in front of the Wabasha Bar.
17 You know, all of a sudden you see the door slam and this
18 woman �s really upset and she' s screaming and yelling and
19 swearing, she' s kicking the door. She was kicking the door
20 with her feet, she was actually kicking the door. And at
21 that ti�me a squad car drove by and didn' t stop. So we
22 thought, what is this, you know.
23 So we followed the squad car, we finally got his
� 24 attention and flagged him down , Squad #873 , and we followed
25 him up to the corner of -- we finally stopped him at the
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1 corner of Ohio and Winnefred. And we got out of the car and
2 we talked to him and we said, you know, there's a commotion
3 going' on down there. There's a drunk women and she' s
4 kicking the door, she's yelling and screaming. You drove
5 right by it, you didn 't even stop. Well , okay, fine, I ' ll
6 go down there and check it out.
7 So he went down there, and Chuck and I got back about
8 the s�me time he did and we drove down Isabelle hill . And
9 t�is woman , you could tell she was extremely intoxicated
10 b�cause she was staggering, she couldn' t really stand up.
� 11 And when we came back down Isabelle the two people that were
12 with her were holding her up and she had her arms wrapped
13 around them. And the police officers -- by that time there
14 were two police officers, two different squads, the woman
15 palice officer who usually -- well , occasionally attends
16 crime watch meetings, she was there and, you know, they went
17 over and they talked to them and that was about it, you
18 know. I don' t know what happened after that.
19 Q Was there anything else that evening that was of note
20 with respect to people leaving the bar with drinks or
21 urinating in public or things of that nature?
22 A ( no audible answer)
23 Q Have you had a chance on other occasions where you ' ve
� 24 not kept notes or documented it to see the Wabasha Bar and
25 prablem� related to it?
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1 A Well , yeah. West Side NHS office being right across
2 the street there, once in a while crime watch or Problem
3 properties will hold a meeting in that office. And the
4 gentleman who lives next door and rents the apartment
5 building that A1 Hartman owns has come into our meetings
6 extremely intoxicated when you can see his eyes , you can see
7 -- you can smell his breath, you know, where he almost
8 knocks you over.
9 Q �et me ask, is he a person that comes to your meetings
10 directly from the Wabasha Bar or do you --
� 11 A Uh-huh , (meaning yes) from the Wabasha Bar. He comes
12 over, he sits down and listens to what' s going on and just
13 sits there and either Chuck or Betsy or somebody will say ,
14 h�y, this is a private meeting, we' re conducting some
15 bWSiness here and we' re going to have to ask you to leave.
16 He sits there for a while and gets up and leaves. He' s the
17 guy that sweeps up for A1 .
18 Q Sweeps up where?
19 A He sweeps up in the morning.
20 Q At the bar?
21 A Y�ah. Or he cleans up. I don 't know exactly what he
22 does. Picks up like the cans and stuff or if there's any
23 litter on the street or whatever. He lives in the apartment
� 24 building next door or he's always there anywhere. He
25 loiters there then, okay. I don't know what he does.
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1 Q Mrs. Alfveby, do the conditions at the Wabasha Bar and
2 the patrons who leave the bar, do they have an effect on
3 your neighborhood in your view of things?
4 A I most certainly think they do.
5 Q Could you relate what the effects are on your
6 r�eighborhood?
7 A I see the bar myself as a nuisance. I personally do
8 not believe that anybody, I don' t care who they are, should
9 have an establishment who refused to admit that the
10 establishment has problems like that and doesn' t want to
i11 deal with it. Why do you think this committee is so angry?
12 Why da you think that people like myself --
13 Q Sure. Let me get back and if I can ask you to relate
14 directly what the ill effects that this bar causes on the
15 community as you see it. I understand your anger, but what
16 I want to get from you is what are the bad effects caused by
17 the ba�r as you see them on your neighborhood.
18 MR. MONTPETIT: I 'm going to object to the
19 form of the question . I don't think she can speak for her
20 neighbprhood . She can testify as to what she personally has
21 observed and how it affects her individually, but as relates
22 to the neighborhood, Your Honor, I think that' s a broad and
23 general question for which she has no foundation. She's
� 24 almost getting into a situation where she' s characterizing
25 th� testimony of other witnesses, other potential witnesses.
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1 THE JUDGE: Well , the question might be a
2 little bit broad , but I think the witness can answer it as
3 it relates to her and her situation. If you can understand
4 the question and recall it, how do you feel being in the
5 n�eighborhood and what effect does this bar have being in
6 your r�eighborhood .
7 THE WITNESS: I think -- I just in general
8 tl�ink it' s a nuisance. I don 't think that establishments
9 should be allowed to operate that way. I think that, you
10 know, for people's safety, health, numerous reasons.
! 11 BY MR. BYRNE:
12 Q Okay. Maybe you could give me some of those numerous
13 re�asons.
14 A Well , like I say, the safety. I don't feel
15 comfortable, you know, I don ' t feel safe with things like
16 that going on in my neighborhood. You know, you need some
17 comfort level .
18 Q And that relates from things you know about yourself
19 personally and relate to your living in the community
20 yourself.
21 A Right.
22 MR. BYRNE: I have no further questions.
23 Tha�nk you .
� 24 THE JUDGE: Mr. Montpetit, please.
25 CROSS EXAMINATION
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1 BY MR. MONTPETIT :
2 Q Is it Mrs. Alfveby?
3 A Right.
4 q Mrs . Alfveby, 131 West Converse, where is that? Take a
5 look at -- what is this, this is Exhibit 7 . Okay. Here's
6 -- ok�y. There's the Wabasha Bar right there.
7 A Is this Isabelle Street?
8 Q Yup.
9 A Right there.
10 Q No, this is Isabelle here.
� 11 A Show me where the bar is again .
12 Q Right there.
13 A T�is is Isabelle Street?
14 Q Uh-huh. (meaning yes)
15 A This map isn ' t right.
16 Q Okay. This is Concorde, this is Wabasha, this is
17 Isabelle, there' s the ice rink.
18 A This is Isabelle here.
19 Q From the Wabasha Bar where do you live?
20 A Four blocks away.
21 Q Okay.
22 A You go up this hill , up the hill .
23 Q Okay. That's this way .
� 24 A Okay. And the first block that you come to is Hall
25 Street, the next block you come to is Striker, the next
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1 block you come to is Bidwell .
2 Q Right.
3 A And I live one block down from there on the corner of
4 Converse and Bidwell .
5 Q Okay. I lost count now. How many blocks is that from
6 t�e W�basha?
7 A Four blocks.
8 Q Four blocks.
9 A You also have to understand, these are large blocks.
10 Q I know that. Going up Isabelle there is almost the
, 11 equivalent of two blocks.
12 A I don' t know. I count them by streets.
13 Q Yeah .
14 A Is that wrong or . . .
15 THE JUDGE: We' ll call them St. Paul blocks.
16 How's that?
17 BY MR. MONTPETIT:
18 Q How long have you lived there?
19 A I 've lived there for nine years. We purchased my
20 hu�band's family home. My in-laws had been residents on the
21 we�t side all their lives.
22 Q What' s your husband 's name?
23 A Duane.
� 24 Q You said on a couple of occasions squad cars went by
25 and didn ' t stop. One instance you followed the squad and
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1 �alled him back, is that correct?
2 A Uh-huh . (meaning yes)
3 THE JUDGE: Please say yes or no.
4 THE WITNESS: Yes.
5 MR. MONTPETIT: I don 't have any further
6 questions.
7 THE JUDGE: Thank you . We' ll take a short
8 break.
9 MR. BYRNE: Sure.
10 THE JUDGE: Five, ten.
� 11 MR. BYRNE: It's up to you .
12 THE JUDGE: Yeah. I just want to give
13 everybody a chance to take a break.
14 (off the record)
15 THE JUDGE: All right. Before we start. Mr.
16 Hartman , during the last witness you chuckled so that I
17 could hear it. I don't want that to happen again. Please
18 try to restrain yourself.
19 MR. HARTMAN: Well , she was just --
20 THE JUDGE: I understand what your response
21 might be, but please don't let that happen again. Mr.
22 Byrne.
23 MR. BYRNE: Thank you , Your Honor. I call
� 24 Tim Ke�nan to the stand.
25 ' TIMOTHY KEENAN
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1 after being first duly sworn, testified as follows:
2 THE JUDGE: Thank you. Your name, sir?
3 THE WITNESS: Tim Keenan, K-E-E-N-A-N.
4 THE JUDGE: Is that Timothy?
5 THE WITNESS: Yes.
6 THE JUDGE: I 'm sorry. Would you spell your
7 last name?
8 THE WITNESS: K-E-E-N-A-N.
9 THE JUDGE: Thank you. Mr. Byrne.
10 DIRECT EXAMINATION
� 11 BY MR. BYRNE:
12 Q Mr. Keenan, do you own the Thompson building right
13 across the street from the Wabasha Bar?
14 A Yes, I do.
15 Q And how long have you owned the building?
16 A OM, approximately six years.
17 Q Okay. Over the course of that six year period have you
18 lo$t tenants as a result of the activities or problems
19 as$ociated with the Wabasha Bar?
20 A Yes, I have.
21 Q How many?
22 A Many. I would say -- in fact, names that I know,
23 there' s at least seventeen that I can be sure , but I know
� 24 there' s many more that have come by and decided not to move
25 in there and one of the reasons is because of the bar.
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1 Q Wabasha Bar.
2 A That's correct.
3 Q Have you had people move either out of the building or
4 to other locations in your building as a result of the
5 Wabasha Bar Activities?
6 A Yes, I have.
7 THE JUDGE: What' s the nature of the tenants
8 you have in the building, what is it?
9 THE WITNESS: As far as their -- it' s an
10 apartment complex and there's one commercial unit down on
� 11 the m�in floor, which at the present time is North Side
12 Housing Council .
13 THE JUDGE: How many units?
14 THE WITNESS: Twenty-one units.
15 THE JUDGE: Twenty-one residential units?
16 THE WITNESS: Yes, and one commercial of
17 about a thousand square feet.
18 THE JUDGE: The residential is a thousand
19 square feet?
20 THE WITNESS: No, the commercial .
21 THE JUDGE: Okay . I 'm sorry. Go ahead .
22 MR. BYR�E: That's all the questions I have ,
23 Your Honor.
� 24 THE JUDGE: Mr. Montpetit?
25 MR. MONTPETIT: I don't have any questions.
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1 THE JUDGE: The tenants that you say have
2 left there, how many you said?
3 THE WITNESS: Seventeen that I know of for
4 sure.
5 THE JUDGE: In what period of time?
6 THE WITNESS: That I know the names of. In
7 the period of the last two years, two and a half years.
8 THE JUDGE: Left because of --
9 THE WITNESS: Not only , but that was a big
10 sourc� of it. Some of them left, that was there only
� 11 reason. They lived on the front of the building in the
12 corner apartment right across the street and they said, I 'm
13 sorry, I ' ve had enough urinating on my windows, I 've had
14 enough people coming out of the bar saying can you give me
15 some m�oney so I can buy another drink, squad cars in the
16 middle of the night.
17 THE JUDGE: Okay. This is your building from
18 which they made some of the observations that they've
19 testified here today?
20 THE WITNESS: Yes, it is.
21 THE JUDGE: Okay . That' s all . You ' re
22 excused. Thank you .
23 MR. BYRNE: Call Lance Boelter.
� 24 LANCE BOELTER
25 af�.er taeing first duly sworn, testified as follows:
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1 THE JUDGE: Your name, sir?
2 THE WITNESS: Lance Arthur Boelter.
3 THE JUDGE: Spell your last name.
4 THE WITNESS: B as in boy-O-E-L-T-E-R.
5 THE JUDGE: Okay. Mr. Byrne.
6 DIRECT EXAMINATION
7 BY MR. BYRNE :
8 Q Mr. Boelter, what is your current position with the
9 State Liquor Control Board?
10 A The acting assistant director of the State Liquor
� 11 Control .
12 Q Okay. And before that were you employed by the State
13 Liquor Control office?
14 A Yes, as a field agent.
15 Q And how long did you have that position?
16 A Five years, five plus years.
17 Q Did you get a call today both as I understand from Mr.
18 Mantpetit's associate and from Darlene Guy of my offiee
19 regarding labeling of cans of beer as to 3 . 2 or strong beer?
20 A Yes. I got a call from Darlene and I got a call from
21 an attqrney Bill --
22 Q K�anz (phonetic)?
23 A Kranz , yes. I didn 't know he was Mr. Montpetit's
� 24 as�ociate.
25 Q And the question that was put to you by both of them
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1 was; what' s the current Minnesota requirement as to labeling
2 of strong beer and 3. 2 beer.
3 A Yes.
4 Q And could you advise the Administrative Law Judge as to
5 what the current regulations require?
6 A Yes. If the beer is 3 . 2:K or less of alcoholic content
7 it mu5t so be labeled on the end of the can. If the beer is
8 greater alcoholic content, what we call strong beer, it can
9 h�ve no indication of the alcoholic content on it.
10 Alcohalic content is prohibited on anything over 3 . 2%.
� 11 Q It used to be at some point in the past, was it not,
12 that strong beer had to say strong beer?
13 A Yes . Prior to 1988 every container had to be labeled
14 either strong beer or a close facsimile to that, or 3 . 2 or
15 less or a close facsimile to that.
16 Q And if I were to show you two cans of light beer or
17 Miller Lite and ask you to look at that.
18 A Yes. One says 3. 2% alcohol by weight, and the other
19 says nathing on the alcoholic content on the end label ,
20 no�hing I can see, and it's got the federal warning label
21 ( indiscernible) .
22 Q What -- if those cans are in compliance with Minnesota
23 reg�ulat�ons the one marked .3 . 2 would have less than 3 . 2%
� 24 alcohol by volume.
25 A Yes, that's correct.
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1 Q And the other can could have whatever percentage the
2 manufacturer wished to put in it, but it could be higher
3 than 3. 2 .
4 A Yes, it should be over 3 . 2�.
5 Q And that' s -- if the manufacturer were complying with
6 Minne�ota regulations it would have over 3 . 2 .
7 A Yes.
8 Q It could be as low as 3. 25%.
9 A Yes.
10 MR. BYRNE: Okay. I have no other questions.
! 11 Thank you.
12 THE JUDGE: Mr. Montpetit.
13 CROSS EXAMINATION
14 BY MR. MONTPETIT:
15 Q Just a couple. Mr. Boelter , Mr. Byrne said "could be
16 higher than 3 . 2" referring to the can without the 3. 2 label .
17 Then I suppose conversely it could be lower too, couldn ' t
18 i t?
19 A Yes.
20 Q Well , it could be higher, it could be lower. We don ' t
21 know what's in the can that' s not marked.
22 A That's true.
23 Q Now, when Officer -- just bear with me for one second,
� 24 on� of the officers this morning, Sergeant Kempe, in his
25 report said that he presumed there was strong beer in the
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1 can that was not marked . He said he got that information
2 from your office. Also when Mr. Kranz called this morning
3 did y�u tell him it also was a presumption?
4 A Yes.
5 MR. MONTPETIT: I don ' t have any further
6 questions.
7 THE JUDGE: Mr. Byrne, anything further?
8 RE-DIRECT EXAMINATI�N
9 B'Y MR. BYRNE:
10 Q Mr . Boelter, it is, however, a presumption that you act
, 11 upon and rely upon every day in the conduct of your official
12 business as a state liquor control agent.
13 A Yes.
14 Q And that you enforce regulations and would initiate
15 official actions based on the appropriate labeling or lack
16 of lab�ling on a can as a routine matter of course in your
17 business.
18 A Yes.
19 MR. BYRNE: That' s all I have.
20 MR. MONTPETIT: Just one more thing.
21 RE-CROSS EXAMINATION
22 BY MR. MONTPETIT:
23 Q You said that they quit putting strong labels on in ' 88
� 24 or something like that?
25 A Right. There are a few states, I don' t know how many,
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1 that require it. Once in a great while we' ll get a strong
2 can in ( inaudible) from another state.
3 MR. MONTPETIT: Thank you.
4 THE JUDGE: You' re excused . Thank you, sir.
5 MR. BYRNE: I will call Jim Bukowski .
6 JAMES BUKOWSKI
7 after being first duly sworn, testified as follows:
8 THE JUDGE: Your name, sir?
9 THE WITNESS: James Bukowski .
10 THE JUDGE : Spell your last name, please.
, 11 THE WITNESS: B-U-K-O-W-S-K-I . Not related
12 tq the guy that ( inaudible) .
13 DIRECT EXAMINATION
14 BY MR. BYRNE:
15 Q Mr. Bukowski , are you married?
16 A Yes, I am.
17 Q Where do you live?
18 A 454 Striker Avenue.
19 Q IS that on the west side?
20 A Y�s .
21 Q Do you have any children?
22 A No children .
23 Q Yau' re employed in St. Paul , sir?
� 24 A I 'm employed in Minneapolis for a laboratory.
25 Q What' s the name of that company and what do you do for
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1 �hem?
2 a Engman' s (phonetic) Laboratory, and we test barley for
3 a brewing company and food products for vitamins, protein
4 ( inaudible) .
5 Q Is your background that of an engineer?
6 A More of a chemist or lab technician .
7 Q Okay. How long have you lived at your house at 454
8 Striker?
9 A Since October 2 , 1978 , and I 've lived in the
10 neighborhood for thirty-five years at another address closer
� 11 by, 520 Striker, where my parents lived. I also lived at an
12 apartment on 489 Bidwell for a year or two as a caretaker.
13 Q How close is 454 Striker to the Wabasha Bar?
14 A Approximately two and a half to three blocks.
15 Q Okay. Do you belong to any citizen organizations or
16 other organizations on the west side?
17 A I ''m with West Side Citizens Organization , I 've been a
18 bo�rd member off and on for probably eight years. I 've been
19 a member of the crime watch -- River Bluff Crime Watch
20 chapter. I ' ve gone to the Problem Property Committee. I 've
21 been ( inaudible) , a lot of others, building and land use
22 committee that's part of WSCO, I know about all of them.
23 Q Sure. Is WSCO the citizens participation council or
� 24 the district council for that area of town?
25 A Yes . It's the officially recognized council accepted
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1 by the city for receiving funds and making proposals and
2 g�etting ( inaudible) , networking with the other committee
3 group�.
4 Q Jand do you receive some funding from the City of St.
5 Paul �o assist in maintaining office space and hiring a
6 commurtity organizer?
7 A Yes, we do.
8 Q Let's talk about specific incidents that you 've
9 observed with respect to the Wabasha Bar, Mr. Bukowski , and
10 let's start with June 10th of this year. Where were you?
� 11 What time was it and who were you with?
12 A Okay. On that particular day I believe I was in a
13 friend' s car. We were coming back from 0' Brien State Park
14 canoe trip and I was in the passenger's seat and the time
15 was 8: 15 p.m. And I saw three gentlemen from the bar that
16 appeared to me -- they appeared to be fighting. The guy had
17 -- white gentleman was harassing an Indian guy or something
18 ( inaudible) .
19 Q Okay. Keep your voice up a little bit.
20 A Okay. There were three gentlemen there and they were
21 kind of bantering words around and hassling each other.
22 And, lipce I say, it was in the car and I was driving by
23 and --
� 24 ( End of Tape 3 , Side 2 )
25 THE JUDGE: Okay. You were talking about how
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1 long you had an opportunity to observe this .
2 THE WITNESS: Yeah. I was in a car and I saw
3 this what appeared to be a fight and I saw there for two,
4 three minutes .
5 BY MR. BYRNE:
6 Q Were you -- you were on your way home from O' Brien
7 State Park.
8 A And I was going south on Wabasha.
9 Q Could you tell whether or not the people had come out
10 of the Wabasha Bar?
. 11 A They were right at the door so it was obvious to me
12 that they were at the bar for some reason , if not to drink
13 then to fight or that came about maybe because of drinking .
14 It' s h�ard to say, but --
15 Q Did you -- I 'm sorry.
16 A I just said they were there at the bar.
17 Q Did you have your windows rolled down?
18 A I think I probably did. It was about June , it was hot,
19 unless he had the air conditioning on. But his windows were
20 clean in any case, this guy is very meticulous about his
21 car. I could see pretty well .
22 Q My question was going to be could you hear anything
23 of --
� 24 A Oh . That I am not sure of. It was kind of a while
25 ago. I saw people' s mouths going and could see that they
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1 were talking. I don ' t remember any specific words I think ,
2 although I may have recorded them at home. Sometimes I do
3 �his. I ' ve been a member of crime watch. Sometimes I do
4 hear things being said and I record them. And this
5 particular incident I did call the police albeit that was
6 maybe a week or two later. I intended to call the next day
7 and I didn ' t.
8 Q So basically that was the beginning and end of that
9 incid�nt.
10 A Correct.
* 11 Q Could you see whether or not the bar door was open?
12 A Oh , yes, the door was definitely open . They were right
13 0� the threshold is where the action happened . Many times
14 -- in many of these incidents we will discussed it' s
15 h�ppened in that door step or just near there.
16 Q Let' s go then to July 1st of this year. Were you --
17 did yau have occasion to make observations of the bar on
18 that date?
19 A Yes, I did.
20 Q What time, where, who you were with and so on?
21 A That night I was with -- I was there three different
22 times, forgive me if I 'm a little bit confused. I believe
23 that night I was with Roberta Odey ( phonetic) and Herrin
� 24 (phonetic) , I forget her name.
25 Q Where were you?
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1 A I was at the Thompson building in the apartment that
2 Joe H'oover described before, third floor.
3 Q Same apartment on the third floor.
4 A, Correct.
5 Q Facing the Wabasha Bar but also with a window on --
6 A Right. The same conditions he described, very much
7 exactly .
8 Q Okay. So you were there with two other people. What
9 time of day were you there?
10 A It was the evening . It was about 10 : 00 , probably about
� 11 10:45 by the time we got there.
12 Q And how long did you stay there?
13 A I think with the women I was with , they wanted to get
14 home, so we stayed uritil approximately -- probably about
15 12 : 15 , no, 12 : 30.
16 Q What did you observe of the bar ' s activities?
17 A Okay. For that now I myself was operating a video
18 camera and the tape didn ' t turn out very well . My unit
19 needs � -- but, anyway, the notes --
20 Q Just relate what you observed.
21 A -- of what I saw -- this is recorded of the people who
22 were with me because --
23 Q Okay. You don ' t have to give the editorial comments ,
� 24 ju$t give us what you saw.
25 A At 10 : 29 -- I wish her could read her writing better .
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1 � 'm sorry. I recopied these. 10 : 29 a patron was drinking
2 outside .
3 Q How did the patron come to be drinking outside?
4 A That I don' t know.
5 Q I 'm asking you to relate what --
6 A Came out of the bar.
7 Q Let me finish my question .
8 A �ight.
9 Q I 'm asking you to relate what you observed and what you
10 saw of the activities, not -- I don ' t know if you ' re reading
� 11 from somebody else' s notes , but it should be what you saw.
12 A Yeah . Well , I saw most of the same things.
13 Q Okay.
14 A Although you have to understand I was juggling maybe
15 binoculars at one time and a camera another time, notes, and
16 there were three people in this tiny room.
17 Q All right. So at 10 : 29 you saw a person drinking
18 owtside the bar?
19 A Yeah , I believe I did . We -- I saw a lot of things and
20 I told'� the women who were the notetakers , you know, and they
21 wduld write it down. So a lot of these observations are in
22 fact from myself, although I didn ' t write them down . But
23 I 'm reading them and something may be changed a little bit
� 24 in the translation . And then some of these incidents get
25 canfused in remembering the specifics --
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1 THE JUDGE: Is this -- is that the method you
2 used through the entire course of the evening?
3 THE WITNESS: Yes.
4 THE JUDGE: You were dictating and they would
5 take notes?
6 THE WITNESS: Pretty much so.
7 THE JUDGE: Okay. And these are the notes
8 that they took?
9 • THE WITNESS: Correct.
10 THE JUDGE: Okay. Why don ' t you go ahead and
. 11 tell us what the notes say and what you saw.
12 THE WITNESS: Okay.
13 THE JUDGE: Did you review them afterwards to
14 see if they were accurate?
15 THE WITNESS: Yeah , I would look at them.
16 THE JUDGE: Tell us what happened .
17 MR. MONTPETIT : Excuse me. I don 't want to
18 make tW�is any more difficult than it is , I 'm getting out of
19 here too. But is he reading someone else ' s notes?
20 THE JUDGE: I don' t know. Are you reading
21 somebody else' s notes?
22 THE WITNESS: Yeah . But they' re notes that I
23 dictated , so however you want to classify that. It' s up to
� 24 you.
25 BY MR. BYRNE:
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1 Q �hy don ' t you go ahead and use the notes.
2 A Okay. I was asked to -- okay. I have -- do you want
3 me to summarize these as far as numbers of drinks and so on?
4 Q Go ahead and relate what you saw and what you observed.
5 A There ' s only about six lines. So, 10 : 29 -- well , first
6 of all 10: 15 , there was an exchange of some package across
7 the street, that southeast corner of the bar. I don ' t know
8 that was about. The people did go to the bar later . 10 : 29 ,
9 there was a patron drinking outside of the bar who had come
10 owt of the building and was drinking . 11 : 09 , two glasses
� 11 were taken out of the bar. They were those milky colored
12 glasses. They apparently had beer in them.
13 MR. MONTPETIT: Object to that last comment.
14 THE JUDGE: Do you recall what color the
15 substance was that was in them? Could you see it?
16 THE WITNESS: I don ' t know on that particular
17 one. I believe this one was the one ( inaudible) .
18 THE JUDGE: All right.
19 THE WITNESS: 11 : 11 , one man came out with
20 two cans of beer. And again that last -- that was a note
21 that they took .
22 THE JUDGE: That' s what you saw or that' s
23 what they saw?
� 24 THE WITNESS : That' s what they saw.
25 THE JUDGE: You didn ' t see that one?
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1 THE WITNESS: I was filming this . Yeah , I
2 was watching as much as I could. Hey, I 'm only human .
3 THE JUDGE: Don ' t be defensive about this.
4 We' re just trying to find out what you saw and what they
5 saw. We' re trying to sort through this. So please try to
6 relate your comments to what you saw.
7 THE WITNESS: Okay . Let me think now.
8 11 : 11 , I don ' t think I saw that one . 11 :47 , a man was
9 leaving with beer. I have a license plate number for that
10 a�d I was the one that was taking license plate numbers.
� 11 I 'm quite sure I saw that one.
12 THE JUDGE: Okay .
13 THE WITNESS: 11 : 58 , two men with cans of
14 beer in their hand went into the car and drove off, and that
15 was a brown Ford truck, license 428 CSP, I saw that one.
16 THE JUDGE: They came from the bar?
17 THE WITNESS: They came from the bar. I have
18 the license number of the previous one too if you want that.
19 That was 332 EEH . 12 : 11 , someone came out with one can and
20 one bottle in hand . They came from the bar to the outside.
21 THE JUDGE: Could you tell what the can was?
22 THE WITNESS: That was a woman that took that
23 one. I think that they said it was a gold color can,
� 24 perhaps a Miller .
25 THE JUDGE: You didn ' t see that one.
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1 THE WITNESS: I didn ' t see that one. I was
2 probably fiddling with something else.
3 THE JUDGE: All right. Anything else?
4 THE WITNESS: Not for that day , no.
5 BY MR . BYRNE:
6 Q Okay. Let's go to July 6th , were you making
7 observations of the Wabasha Bar on that date?
8 A Yes, I was .
9 Q W'here were you?
10 A We have -- the same place, the same place. I have some
� 11 things here from July 2 I discovered. These are not my
12 nates.
13 Q Then why don 't you just put it aside for the moment and
14 let' s stay with July 6 .
15 A Okay. July 6 , now that -- I 'm confused .
16 MR. BYRNE: At this point what I 'd like to do
17 is excuse the witness and I ' ll move to some other witness.
18 THE JUDGE: And you ' re recall him if
19 necessary?
20 MR. BYRNE: Yeah .
21 THE JUDGE: That will be fine. You ' ll be
22 excused pending being recalled and you can take a look at
23 your notes and we can go on to another witness.
� 24 THE WITNESS: If I could just relate. We --
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1 MR. BYRNE: Mr. Bukowski , I ' d prefer that you
2 try tp get your recollections together and we' ll excuse you
3 for now and have you come back .
4 THE WITNESS: Okay .
5 MR. BYRNE: Mr. Lichtin .
6 GREGORY LICHTIN
7 a�ter being first duly sworn, testified as follows:
8 THE JUDGE: Thank you . Your name, sir?
9 THE WITNESS: Greg Lichtin .
10 THE JUDGE: Spell your last name, please.
� 11 THE WITNESS: L-I-C-H-T-I-N .
12 THE JUDGE: Gregory?
_ 13 THE WITNESS: Gregory.
14 THE JUDGE: Mr. Byrne.
15 DIRECT EXAMINATION
16 BY MR. BYRNE:
17 Q Mr. Lichtin , are you employed by the West Side Citizens
18 Organization?
19 A Yes. I 'm employed as a community organizer .
20 Q And how long have you held that position?
21 A Almost two years.
22 Q What does -- maybe you could just briefly relate.
23 We' ve heard a lot of people refer to both WSCO and to a
. 24 communi�y organizer and to yourself. Maybe just relate,
25 fir�t of all , wha� West Side Citizens Organization is, maybe
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1 a little capsule on what it is and how it functions .
2 A Okay. It' s a community organization that was started
3 s�venteen years ago. Essentially the staff and the
4 volunteers who work with it attempt to organize westsiders
5 to make improvements in their neighborhood on a whole range
6 of issues, environmental , zoning, education , etc . And we
7 also serve as the district council for ( indiscernible) , so
8 we have somewhat of an official relationship with the city
9 and th�ey send us -- we' re a separate organization, but they
10 send us information about things that are happening in our
. 11 neighborhood and ask for -- sometimes ask for opinion about
12 t�ings that are happening in our neighborhood .
13 Q How long has WSCO been designated as the district
14 council for that geographical area of the city?
15 A I believe its fifteen years.
16 Q And is it correct in that situation you do from time to
17 ti�e receive funding from the city either with federal
18 sources or city funds to fund the activities of the district
19 council ?
20 A That' s right. That doesn ' t cover all of our expenses,
21 bu� that' s part of it. That money is part of our budget.
22 Q Okay . And does the -- does WSCO have staff in addition
23 to yourself?
� 24 A Yes , there's a director and I 'm a three-quarters time
25 community organizer with a half-time community organizer and
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1 a half-time administrative assistant.
2 Q Is the director a full-time position?
3 A Yes .
4 q As a three-quarter time community organizer do you do
5 functionally things different from the other community
6 organizers that are employed by WSCO?
7 A Yeah . I staff the building and land use committee and
8 t�e environment committee, and then I also have a general
9 ( inaudible) outreach , which involved doing whatever I get
10 assigned to do, whatever arises in the community .
• 11 Q Okay . Is one of the areas that either WSCO or yourself
12 has bQcome involved in is neighborhood concerns with the
13 W&basha Bar?
14 A Yes .
15 Q How -- what is your role with respect to those
16 concerns?
17 A Okay . The earliest time that I remember being involved
18 with �abasha Bar is when we received a call or I received a
19 call from council member, at that time Councilmember
20 Shybol ' s (phonetic) office , and they had received complaints
21 about the bar from people in the neighborhood and they
22 w�nted to have a community meeting on that and they wanted
23 W�CO to organize that meeting . And so we organized that
� 24 m�eting for July 26th , 1989 at the community center, and Mr .
25 Hartman was there .
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1 Q And that was the beginning of whatever contacts that
2 you or WSCO had with this particular bar and the concerns of
3 the neighbors?
4 A That' s the earlier contact that I know of . There might
5 have been contacts earlier when I did not work at WSCO.
6 � Okay. What to your knowledge are the concerns of the
7 citizens on the west side relating to the Wabasha Bar? And
8 I 'm gaing to ask you what their concerns are and what the
9 respomse of WSCO has been to those concerns.
10 A It' s kind of a general question . Well , some of the
� 11 cdncerns have been , you 've heard many of them today , people
12 being drunk and wandering , being outside the bar or
13 wandering into the neighborhood , the public sex that Paula
14 S�nchez talked about and that having a negative effect on
15 the n�ighborhood .
16 There have been concerns about the amount of noise that
17 comes from the bar and that creating problems for those
18 across the street and for other neighbors in the vicinity .
19 There have been concerns about people from the bar
20 g�tting into their cars with open cans of alcohol and
21 driving in their cars and possibly being a hazard in terms
22 of drunk drivers.
23 There have been concerns that the Wabasha bar is at a
� 24 prime gateway to the west side. Many people drive up
25 Wabasha into the west side neighborhood or into other places
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1 taeyond the west side , and there' s a concern that it' s not a
2 g�ood timage to have drunken people standing outside in the
3 entrance to your neighborhood when we' re trying to improve
4 the image of the neighborhood.
5 There' s a concern of the cumulative effect of the kinds
6 of things I ' ve just been talking about bring down the level
7 of that particular neighborhood, which already has problems
8 with problem housing and crime, and that the more
9 neighborhoods have negative things like that impacting them
10 tfne more likely it is that people are likely to leave, and
� 11 that leads to more vacant housing and a further
12 d�terioration .
13 7here have definitely been negative effects on
14 businesses in the area. I have talked to business people
15 who -- well , Triple A had its windows broken .
16 MR. MONTPETIT: Your Honor, I object. This
17 is just rambling on and I ' ve allowed it, but now he' s
18 getting into specifics with Triple A. If he knows of this
19 with his own knowledge, that' s fine, but I object to the
20 lang narrative. There' s no question before him. Sweeping
21 genera'lizations, the foundation, the whole testimony .
22 THE JUDGE: Well , as to the specific item
23 having to do with the -- I presume you ' re going to breach
� 24 the subject of vandalism or other type of criminal property
25 ty,pe damage. That is -- we ' re getting into the area of
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1 hearsay . That' s a little far removed . Although we do take
2 hearsay in this type of hearing, I 'd like not to get too
3 deep into the hearsay . And I think your comments up to this
4 point have been helpful and if you can confine them to what
5 effect you think this bar may have on the community, I think
6 that's appropriate. Getting into specifics, I think there
7 are other ways that perhaps it would be better introduced
8 evidence of criminal activity or something like that.
9 THE WITNESS : What I 'm doing here mostly is
10 relating things that I 've heard at meetings when I ' ve heard
� 11 people talking about the bar.
12 THE JUDGE: I understand that.
13 BY MR. BYRNE:
14 Q And if you ' re relating matters relating to vandalism
15 jwst stay with it as matters relating to vandalism rather
16 tMan describing specific incidents that you ' ve heard .
17 A akay. Well , I ' ve talked to four business in the
18 immediate area who have had vandalism done on their
19 property , and three of them said that it was from patrons of
20 the Wabasha Bar.
21 Q Okay. Does that capsulize then generally the concerns
22 of the neighborhood that have sort of energized WSCO to do
23 some response?
� 24 A Yeah . I ' d mention one more .
25 Q Okay. Go ahead.
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1 A One of my housemates, who up until recently was my
2 housemate, worked for West Side Neighborhood Housing
3 Servi�es, which is across the street. And she would
4 sometimes go in and work in the evening, and she did not
5 feel safe going there by herself, she always had to have
6 sQmeone go with her. And I ' ve heard other women from the
7 neighborhood express that same concern, that they do not
8 feel safe going there.
9 Q Now how did WSCO respond to those concerns or what are
10 the organizational responses that it has sponsored?
� 11 A When any concern comes up in the community WSCO tries
12 to respond to it in some way and to organize people to do
13 what they want to do related to ( inaudible) . So I -- like I
14 said earlier , Mae Sylvester (phonetic) from Councilmember
15 Shybol ' s office called me and so I arranged a meeting room
16 for them to meet and arranged for one or two WSCO board
17 members to be at that meeting . I think she looked after the
18 publicity for that meeting .
19 So one of the things that came out of that meeting , I
20 think Mr. Hartman and the community agreed to put three
21 restrictions on the bar' s license. And those -- the next
22 thing that happened was they were ( indiscernible) license at
23 a council hearing on August 10th , we had a building and land
� 24 use committee where I simply informed the people what
25 restrictions had been put on the license.
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1 Then at that meeting we agreed that in the fall of 1989
2 we would have another meeting where we would come back,
3 invite Mr . Hartman to come and assess how things were going ,
4 were the conditions being met, was the neighborhood happier
5 with the bar.
6 So then we had a meeting on November 2nd , 1989 .
7 Q Okay. Let' s talk about that more specifically. Where
8 was the meeting November 2nd of ' 89?
9 A It was at ( indiscernible) at 179 East ( inaudible)
10 Stree�.
� 11 Q And who was invited to that and who were the
12 p�rticipants at that meeting?
13 A Well , the entire building and land use committee was
14 invited . We have a standing group of twenty-five people who
15 are on our mailing list, and that -- we also invited people
16 who had been at the previous meeting on the Wabasha Bar and
17 word spreads to other people too.
18 Q The building and land use committee is a subcommittee
19 or an ad hoc committee of WSCO?
20 A That's right. And whoever is at a building and land
21 use co�mittee meeting is a member of the building and land
22 use co�mittee that night.
23 Q So it's just grass roots democracy.
� 24 A Right.
25 Q If you show up you ' re part of the committee and can
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1 speak.
2 A Right.
3 Q Okay . So at the meeting maybe you can relate what was
4 said to Mr. Hartman and what his responses were.
5 A Okay. Neighborhood residents raised the kinds of
6 concerns I talked about earlier when I gave my long answer .
7 Do you want me to go through this again? Well , maybe I ' ll
8 talk about some specific things.
9 Q Qid the neighborhood residents raise with Mr. Hartman
10 a�. that meeting all the things that you have related
� 11 previausly?
12 A Nearly all of them. I 'm not sure.
13 Q What I ' d like to do is just key in on the meeting
14 itself and confine yourself to what happened there.
15 A Okay. One of the concerns that the residents raised is
16 we asked how much do you serve people, when do you stop
17 serving people. And Mr. Hartman indicated that he stopped
18 serving patrons only if they get into a fight or if they
19 st8rt Swinging or behaving strangely. And he said that
20 people have differing levels of tolerance for alcohol and
21 that there are some people who could drink as much as all
22 th� people in this room, and there were fourteen people in
23 the room, and they still wouldn 't be drunk , and other people
� 24 can take different amounts. And he indicated that he does
25 no� want to lose business by not serving patrons. And that
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1 was of great concern to the community because they believed
2 that excessive drinking causes a lot of the problems that
3 the cdmmunity experiences outside.
4 Another thing that we talked about was one of the
5 conditions placed on the license by the city council in
6 Augus� is that the licensee will call for police assistance
7 whenever any apparent illegal activity is observed . And at
8 the November 2nd meeting residents did raise concerns about
9 possible illegal activities taking place at the bar . They
10 couldn ' t prove it, but they had heard rumors or -- I 'm not
* 11 quite sure where they got that.
12 The bar manager was very hesitant to call the bar -- or
13 sorry, to call the police if he saw illegal activity because
14 he thought it would be ineffective and because he was afraid
15 that h� would be sued . And he said that he would only call
16 the police if he saw something that he knew was illegal and
17 that he would not call the police if he saw someone
18 ( inaudible) because he could not prove it. Those were his
19 words.
20 Also at the November 2nd meeting the bar manager
21 indica�ed that he was willing to take little if any
22 respon�ibility for the activities of patrons outside the bar
23 and would monitor the area outside the bar only if local
� 24 re�idents would come down to the bar every hour and do that
25 with him. And this was despite repeated comments by
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1 neighborhood residents that you've got to take some
2 respo�sibility for what' s happening outside the bar because
3 it' s negatively affecting our neighborhood .
4 tt was also noted at that meeting that the off-sale --
5 the first off-sale strong beer sale that took place , that
6 was illegal , that was the first violation of the license
7 where he got a three-day suspension , that that took place
8 thirteen days after the bar had had difficulty obtaining the
9 license and actually had three conditions placed on the
10 licen�e. So we wondered how serious he was taking that.
. 11 Also, as was mentioned earlier, Mr. Hartman was asked
12 if there had been any fights at the bar in recent times and
13 h� said no, but at the same time one of our citizens who was
14 there had a police report indicating that there had been
15 three police reports on fights at the bar since September.
16 This was in November .
17 I observed after Mr . Hartman left that people were very
18 frustrated because they felt that while they had raised many
19 s�rious cancerns and genuinely wanted to talk to Mr.
20 H�rtman , that in general he was not willing to acknowledge
21 that there was a problem, and we felt like he didn ' t want to
22 r�spond and make any changes to make things different.
23 He did -- I should be fair. He did say -- I 'm trying
� 24 tq think of what kinds of things he said he'd do. He said
25 he would try to keep people from taking things outside the
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1 bar. So there was some effort, but in general people were
2 very frustrated .
3 Q pid you prior to this hearing prepare a letter on
4 b�ehalf of WSCO detailing the -- some of the matters you've
5 talked about, the concerns and the past history of WSCO' s
6 efforts to facilitate the citizens' attempts to deal with
7 the problems?
8 A Yes, I did .
9 Q And let me show you what I 've had marked as City' s
10 Exhibit 13 and ask you if that' s the letter?
� 11 A Yes, it is .
12 Q Is that -- that' s your letter and does not represent
13 official WSCO board policy, is that correct?
14 A that's correct.
15 Q And the matters stated in there are matters that you
16 state of your own knowledge and your own background in
17 working on this matter .
18 A That' s right.
19 Q Nonetheless, this letter is submitted to the
20 Administrative Law Judge with the approval of your immediate
21 supervisor.
22 A That' s right.
23 MR . BYRNE: I ' d offer City's Exhibit 13 .
� 24 MR. MONTPETIT: I 'm going to object. It's a
25 r�cap of his testimony here this afternoon , and to that
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1 extent it's cumulative, self-serving , repetitious . And
2 again, I recognize that it would be really nice to have the
3 council look at this and have all these exhibits, but all it
4 is is a regurgitation of what he 's already say here today .
5 I mea�, I don ' t know what the purpose of admitting that
6 letter is to be, particular when he just indicated and
7 qualified the contents of the letter by saying it was his
8 observations , not that of WSCO. He' s here testifying this
9 afternoon . If there' s something else and he wants to review
10 the letter and testify to it, fine . I don ' t know why he' s
� 11 got to recap his testimony in writing and submit it as an
12 exhibit.
13 THE JUDGE: Does this -- and I haven ' t read
14 this af course. Does this -- does your testimony include -
15 -your testimony given here included in this letter or does
16 this letter include everything you ' ve testified to? Maybe
17 that would be a better way to put it.
18 THE WITNESS: ( inaudible)
19 THE JUDGE: Have you testified to the
20 contents of the letter?
21 THE WITNESS: I would say , yeah , I 've said
22 ( inaudible) .
23 THE JUDGE: Okay . Then , Mr . Byrne , your
� 24 purpos� of offering the letter.
25 MR. BYRNE: Are two-fold. First is that the
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1 council , while this is not a board endorsed action by this
2 community organization , the City Council does traditionally
3 place -- want to see what the district council 's say on a
4 given issue. And that being so, as part of the record it
5 will �nable them to see what position WSCO is taking .
6 Second , it is very analogous to the police report
7 situation . The worst you can say about this is that it may
8 be cu�ulative, not cumulative , but simply repetitive. He' s
9 h�re subject to cross examination. What will be in the
10 l�tter will presumably be accurate or it will not be
� 11 included . And certainly in doing findings of fact and
12 conclusions of law and a memorandum Your Honor can caution
13 the council against, if that' s the only problem, placing too
14 great a weight on the written documents they have, but
15 takin� into consideration everything that is part of the
16 record .
17 THE JUDGE: That is the problem. It tends to
18 place greater weight on the document because, like I said
19 before , they' re not going to review the tape probably or
20 it' s less likely that they ' re going to review the tape. And
21 unless they were going to have it transcribed, and I don ' t
22 k�ow how likely that is to happen . And this is one document
23 r�moved from the official business record , a basis upon
� 24 which you could offer the police reports. This presumably
25 was prepared only for this, not for other purposes but only
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1 for this hearing I take it.
2 MR. BYRNE: That' s correct, Your Honor.
3 . THE JUDGE: And notwithstanding the council ' s
4 desire to see -- to know the posture, I believe that they -
5 -do they -- when they consider this matter do they take
6 additional testimony?
7 MR. BYRNE : No. I can tell you what happens
8 is Mr. Montpetit and I are the licensee' s representative and
9 I app�ar as though it were an appellate argument and argue,
10 h�ving� had the chance to submit written exceptions to the
� 11 ALJ report. As a matter of my own knowledge what the
12 council has done in the past, there are a couple of inembers
13 that routinely go back and listen to the tapes . There are
14 probably a couple that rely heavily on the ALJ ' s report and
15 maybe some in the middle that might dip into parts of the
16 record .
17 THE JUDGE: Well , I have problems with this
18 document to which this witness has already testified to, the
19 contents of which he says he has already testified to, and I
20 think it is repetitive and is not a business record
21 conducted in the normal course of business for formal
22 busine5s reasons, and therefore, based upon that, I 'm afraid
23 I 'm going to sustain Mr . Montpetit' s objection to City' s
� 24 Exhibit 13 and you can proceed .
25 MR. BYRNE: I have no further questions , Mr .
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1 Lichtin . Thank you.
2 ; THE JUDGE : Mr. Montpetit.
3 MR. MONTPETIT: Thank you .
4 CROSS EXAMINATION
5 BY MR, MONTPETIT :
6 Q Mr. Lichtin , what is West Side Citizens Organization ,
7 what is its relationship or affiliation with the city? You
8 allud�d to that a little bit earlier .
9 A We are a non-profit organization with our own separate
10 board and so we have no direct connection with the city ,
. 11 although in the City of St. Paul each neighborhood has a
12 district council which is recognized by the city , so they
13 send us information about things that are happening in our
14 neighborhood.
15 Q I see. Who sends that to you?
16 A People from many different city departments.
17 Q I see. And how long have you been the community
18 organizer?
19 A I 've been there almost two years.
20 Q In that regard do you and your organization get
21 involved in any plans for upgrading or development of a
22 neighborhood physically?
23 A Yes, we do.
� 24 Q and do you -- if that' s the case, do you further meet
25 with or interact with any developers?
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1 A Yes, we do.
2 Q �And would Brian H . Miller & Associates be one of those
3 concerns, one of those companies?
4 A Yes.
5 Q And they've got plans, do they not, for the lower area
6 of -- the Wabasha area, which includes my client' s facility?
7 A I think you ' re referring to the Wabasha development
8 initiative, and there are plans for the area which is south
9 of thQ Wabasha Bar. It' s about a block south , St. Matthew' s
10 Church , there is a plan to take down eight units of housing
� 11 that is currently in bad shape and put up twelve units of
12 rental housing, and a garage that operates in that area will
13 be converted into a day .care center. That' s the substance
14 of the p 1 an .
15 At one time there was discussion of doing some work on
16 tl�e commercial strip, which includes the Wabasha area, but
17 that was never funded , didn ' t get funding. The other area
18 gpt funding .
19 Q But those plans to dramatically change the look of
20 W�basha, Wabasha Street in that particular area, the west
21 side, had something to do, did it not, with your meeting
22 with the Wabasha Bar manager? In other words , if the
23 W�basha development initiative program included dramatic
� 24 change ta the look and quality of life, and as I recall
25 that's the language that was used, of Wabasha Street on the
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1 west side, clearly those plans included eliminating the
2 Wabasha Bar, did they not?
3 A No.
4 Q They did not?
5 A �o.
6 Q Is there any doubt in your mind if the Wabasha Bar was
7 eliminated , regardless of these purported problems , that
8 that would help that development, Brian Miller 's
9 development?
10 A What I would say about that is that -- one thing I
# 11 would say , if the bar is operating in a way that' s
12 respeCtful of the community, then it' s compatible with the
13 Wabasha development. It might have a negative impact if
14 it' s not operating in a --
15 Q Right. But you ' re solidly behind the Wabasha
16 development initiative program, are you not?
17 A The WSCO board has been supportive of the Wabasha
18 d�velapment initiative, but I should also -- I would also
19 like to say that the two issues have been very separate and
20 that WSCO' s war-k on the Wabasha Bar has arisen from concerns
21 of the neighborhood people in the area, none of whom were
22 involved in the Wabasha development initially . And that' s
23 wMy we' re working on that.
� 24 Q I understand that the surveillance crew is different
25 from those persons involved with the development program,
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1 but in looking at some of the publicity and some of the
2 propaganda that the Wabasha development initiative has been
3 spreading around the neighborhood , specifically from Brian
4 Miller, it indicates that they want to dramatically change
5 the laok of Wabasha Street and the quality of life on
6 Wabasha Street. They want new housing . They want new
7 commercial development. They literally want to raze
8 everything and start from scratch with a 4 . 5 million dollar
9 project.
10 N�y question to you is that in any event or in any set
. 11 o�F circumstances, in your opinion wouldn ' t it be better if
12 there weren ' t an on-sale liquor establishment at 427 West
13 Wabasha?
14 A N�, I wouldn ' t say that.
15 Q What interaction and interfacing do you have with Brian
16 H . Miller & Associates, both personally and as a
17 representative of WSCO?
18 A I don ' t have any interaction with them personally. As
19 a repr�sentative of WSCO he is one of the people who is our
20 building and land use committee mailing list. He has been
21 for at least three years approximately. He has been
22 involv�d in -- well , when we were pursuing funding for the
23 Wabasha development initiative I would talk to him about
� 24 that sometimes. In the last six months I talked to him
25 occasionally .
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1 Q What' s the present status of this Wabasha development
2 initiative?
3 A It received 1 . 7 million dollars from the Urban
4 Revitalization Action Program, state funds that come through
5 the city , I think it was 1 . 7 . Anyways , it got some money
6 f4r physical development and some money for social services .
7 And t�e physical development part of it will start -- I
8 think the day care is supposed to be finished by 19 -- next
9 summer , August, 1991 . And then the housing part of it will
10 be done the next year .
! 11 May I say a bit more? Mr. Miller has also pursued
12 maney �or street improvements in the area, and that -- that
13 was money for -- that was supposed to go along with some
14 sewer separation work that was happening. And I know that
15 h� was in discussion with Mr. Hartman about that because
16 some i�provements were going to be done outside the Wabasha
17 Bar and Mr . Hartman had some concerns about that, that he
18 was going to be assessed , and so he came to the building and
19 land u�e committee meeting and Mr. Miller was there and I
20 was there, and we talked about that. And it was made clear
21 to Mr. Hartman that he would not be charged for the
22 improvements made outside the building ( indiscernible) .
23 Sq, I guess what I 'm saying is that Mr . Miller has been
� 24 working with them. And I 'm also aware that Mr . Miller at
25 one point talked to Mr. Hartman about -- when Mr. Miller was
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1 pursuing money for the commercial developments in that area,
2 which he also didn ' t get. When he was pursuing that he
3 talked to Mr. Hartman about would he want some of that money
4 to improve --
5 ( �nd of Tape 4, Side 1 )
6 THE JUDGE: Okay .
7 BY MR. MONTPETIT:
8 Q Mr. Lichtin, it' s true , is it not, that Mr. Hartman has
9 been apposed to certain aspects of the Wabasha redevelopment
10 initiative program?
� 11 A Yes, he has spoken out against certain aspects of the
12 ( inaudible) .
13 Q And those concerns have been two-fold ; number one, the
14 expenditure of taxpayers' money, and number two, future
15 hidden cost to the property owners in the redeveloped area,
16 is that your recollection?
17 A Yeah .
18 Q So it' s safe to say that you ' re not only upset with Mr.
19 Hartman as relates to that November 2nd , 1989 accident, but
20 also his position as relates to the Wabasha redevelopment
21 initiative program, is that a safe statement?
22 A Nb, it' s not. I mean one of the things we deal with in
23 th� community is diversity of opinion. People are allowed
� 24 to hav� whatever opinions they want to have and that's
25 democracy, that' s how it works. And what we try to do as an
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1 organization is weigh the varying opinions of people in the
2 commu�ity and then WSCO takes a position on whatever matter
3 it is. And is some people agree with those positions and
4 some people disagree, that' s fine.
5 Q But earlier you said that at the November 2nd , 1989
6 meeting you observed a lot of opposition and animosity to
7 Mr. Hartman based on what he had said at the meeting.
8 A rhat' s true. But that's a completely separate issue
9 from the Wabasha development initiative.
10 Q But I included the two of them, I said that meeting and
� 11 the Wabasha Bar.
12 MR. MONTPETIT : I don 't have any further
13 questions .
14 THE JUDGE: Mr. Byrne .
15 MR . BYRNE: I did have one but --
16 RE-DIRECT EXAMINATION
17 BY MR. BYRNE :
18 Q I� is true that no part of Mr. Hartman ' s bar is in the
19 Wabasha development initiative area.
20 A That' s correct.
21 Q And that even did he speak out against the proposal for
22 the URAP grant, it' s now been granted and it' s opposition
23 was not defective and there 's no basis for Mr. Miller or
� 24 anybody else associated with him to want to take any sort of
25 an adverse action for that position.
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1 A Np.
2 MR. BYRNE: I have no further questions.
3 THE JUDGE: Mr. Montpetit?
4 MR. MONTPETIT : Nor do I .
5 THE JUDGE: Okay . You ' re excused .
6 MR . BYRNE: Could we maybe -- if we could
7 just have a brief , about a two minute recess , I ' ll talk to
8 Mr. Bukowski and decide --
9 THE JUDGE: Sure .
10 MR. BYRNE: He' ll either be the last witness
• 11 or we' re done .
12 (off the record )
13 (7he remaining portion of Tape 4, Side 2 , is totally
14 untranscribable. The speed of the tape recording device or
15 the tape is malfunctioning and a new tape was used. )
16 THE JUDGE: Okay. I 'm sorry.
17 JAMES BUKOWSKI
18 having been previously sworn , testified as follows :
19 THE WITNESS: I live about half a block from
20 wMere someone got shot who was just at the Wabasha Bar .
21 MR. MONTPETIT: Your Honor , I 'm going to
22 object to that last portion of the witness' testimony .
23 There' s absolutely no foundation . As a matter of fact, I 'm
� 24 going to object to anything else he says.
25 THE WITNESS: All I 'm saying is that I life a
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1 half a block from there and i felt affected by the incident
2 whether the bar was --
3 THE JUDGE: How far do you live from the bar?
4 THE WITNESS: About two and a half blocks,
5 three blocks. Okay .
6 MR. MONTPETIT : Your Honor , there 's no
7 question before the witness right now.
8 THE JUDGE: Are there further effects that
9 you feel from the location and the activities that you can
10 locate to this bar?
� 11 THE WITNESS: That pretty much sums it up.
12 MR . BYRNE: Okay . I have no further
13 questions.
14 MR. MONTPETIT: Nor do I .
15 THE JUDGE: All right. Thank you . You ' re
16 excuse�i . There' s one list item, on these police reports
17 that were conditionally admitted. I 've reviewed them very
18 briefly and although they are -- there was some testimony
19 about the contents of them, I 'm going to admit them as
20 busine�s records and include them in the record , and that' s
21 going to be Exhibits 9 , 10 , 11 and 12 having already been
22 admitt�d .
23 And with that, do I understand that the City rests?
� 24 MR. BYRNE: The City rests, Your Honor. And
25 for the benefit of the Court and counsel , we have available
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1 a hearing room on Thursday , September 13. The county board
2 room, the large conference room which is on the third floor
3 of the courthouse across the street. It' s Room 316 , 3-1-6 ,
4 and we' ll have -- either Darlene or I will be out there that
5 morning to kind of channel people in and tell them where to
6 go.
7 THE JUDGE : That will be September -- what' s
8 the date?
9 MR . BYRNE: 13th, a Thursday .
10 THE JUDGE: 9 :00 o'clock?
� 11 MR. BYRNE: Right.
12 THE JUDGE: All right. With that we ' ll be
13 adjourned.
14 (Whereupon the matter was adjourned until September 13 at
15 9 : 00 o'clock. )
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CERTIFICATE
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THIS IS TO CERTIFY that the foregoing was
transcribed from a mechanical recording device, and that it
cOntains, to the best of my ability , a true and accurate
transcription of the proceedings held relative to the
alForementioned matter, consisting of pages numbered one
through two hundred twenty-nine, all inclusive .
Jeffrey J . Watczak
Dated : November 23 , 1990 .
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STATE OF M I N N ESOTA
I OFFICE OF ADMINISTRATIVE HEARINGS
FIFTH FLOOR, FLOUR EXCHANGE BUILDING ��C'�O
310 FOURTH AVENUE SOUTH �
MINNEAPOLIS, MINNESOTA 55415 ���+/�/��
(612)341-7600 IJJ
October 9, 1990 ��� ���-�'�°
St. Paul City Council
Attn: Albert B. Olson, City Clerk
386 City Hall
St. Pau1 , Minnesota 55102
Re: In th�e Matter of the City of St. Paul Liquor License Action Against
Loret'ta F. Hartman, President, BAL, Inc. , d/b/a Wabasha Bar, 427 Wabasha
Street South, St. Paul , Minnesota 55107; OAH Docket No. 62-2101-4903-6.
Dear Mr. Olson:
Enclased are the duplicate tapes of the first day of hearing
(September 7, 1990> in the above-referenced matter. A transcript was
prepared for �he second day of hearing (September 13, 1990> . The official
record aMd the transcript were hand-delivered to your office on October 8.
, Sincerely,
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SANDRA A. HAVEN
Ofifice Services Supervisor
Telephone: 612/341-7642
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